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+ <B>Bradley D. Thornton</B>
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+On 03/31/2011 02:04 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 02:03, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03/30/2011 11:29 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, that's not going to happen. the 32 bit will be 32 bit, while the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 64 bit will be dual arch (below).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Very, very few Distros ship a pure 64 bit GNU/Linux, and Mageia isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going to be one of them, FYI.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well there may be some misunderstanding here; that's two separate things:
+</I>&gt;<i> * dual arch hosts both 32bit and 64bit installs, of which you decide
+</I>&gt;<i> on install;
+</I>
+Yes I understand what you're saying there, although calling it dual
+arch, in comparison to what other distros refer to when using that term,
+I think may be a little confusing.
+
+But I understand what you are trying to convey with that moniker.
+
+&gt;<i> * 64bit DVD is a full install DVD for 64bit architectures - yes,
+</I>&gt;<i> there are some 32bit dependencies still used, but there are fewer of
+</I>&gt;<i> them; the intent/direciton is a pure 64bit thing - whatever time it
+</I>&gt;<i> takes.
+</I>
+This is the point I was bringing up. A quick tour through git repo's and
+it becomes quickly apparent the the 64 bit version is dual arch, with
+the full complement of 32 bit libraries and compiler support for 32 bit
+apps.
+
+And there's quite a bit more than a little. There's really no way to
+accurately determine just how long it will have to remain that way, or
+if the actual direction will end up completely eliminating 32 bit
+enabled libs, gcc, etc.
+
+There's a huge amount of software out there that just won't do prime
+time in 64 at this point in time. Right off the top of my head some of
+those in the higher profile category currently include:
+
+Wine
+Skype
+Google Earth
+
+and hundreds of common utilities and tools barely maintained, some part
+of Gnu, but most independant, like bing, for example, a little tool I
+use in scripts for monitoring bandwidth, and a host of others.
+
+As we all move forward in time, yes, there will be very little need for
+Mageia or any other distro to maintain dual arch support in the 64 bit
+versions of their distros, but there's a lot of 32 bit enabled aspects
+of the upcoming Mageia '64' that is going to be there for a long time.
+
+I run a pure 64bit OS on a few of my systems, on the servers it's not
+that big a deal, SAMBA, APACHE, MySQL/MariaDB, NFS, DNS - these
+definately aren't issues, and it is conceivable (If we were willing to
+leave out a few items) that we could have a pure 64 bit server edition,
+although it probably still wouldn't be prudent at this time, to garner
+the widest acceptance.
+
+But anything along the line of a workstation platform would be severly
+hurt by not providing support for 32 and 64 bit ready applications.
+
+I'm still running the beta version of 64 bit Flash plugin on my laptop
+workstation, and although I haven't checked to see if the stable version
+has actually been released yet, I do find the beta version sufficiently
+stable - but it looks like most beta software in that respect isn't
+going to be included w/Mageia 1.
+
+Eliminating support for 32bit architecture apps would mean no
+Quickbooks, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, (maybe even Adobe Reader - I'm not
+actually sure about that one because I use xpdf and okular).
+
+For those reasons, the decision isn't really up for a peopled decision,
+and is indeed reflected in our repos.
+
+i.e., From an average consumers point of view, coming from say, MS
+Windows, I think the perception would be that 32 bit would be 32 bit,
+while 64 bit would support 32 bit as well - instead of choosing an
+install that *either only* supports pure 32 bit or pure 64 bit
+installations.
+
+It took us a long time to completely migrate away from 16 bit apps, and
+there's still remnants here and there where you need that environment -
+only for support of old DOS programs, but neverhteless, needed [by some] :)
+
+Bringing up the topic wasn't a suggestion on my part, it was just a
+statement about how things really are laid out in Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ennael tells me we ought to re-explain what is expected in these
+</I>&gt;<i> formats. But of course, after beta1, we will hold a survey to sort
+</I>&gt;<i> through expectations of the final formats we will release in June.
+</I>
+Oh yes we've ample time to finalize what we're going to call each
+packaged spin of our distro :)
+
+
+- --
+Bradley D. Thornton
+Manager Network Services
+NorthTech Computer
+TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US)
+TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK)
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>Bradley, I think you are talking about semantic problems here. :)
+
+As has been in Mandriva it will be like this (among other possible
+editions like liveCD or liveDVD, whatever):
+
+1 DVD which installs a 32-Bit system
+1 DVD which installs a 64-Bit system, including the needed 32-bit things.
+
+This second DVD is not a &quot;dual-arch&quot; because it can only install on
+one arch: a 64-bit system. Try to boot a 32-bit system with that DVD
+and you get an error. It only has 32-bit software which is needed for
+a complete range of applications. And, yes, you are right, we will see
+these additional 32-bit pieces in 64-bit desktop systems for a long
+time to come.
+
+A &quot;dual-arch&quot; medium means a medium which can install a 32-bit or a
+64-bit system, depending on the hardware - this is what Mandriva and
+Mageia are providing with a minimal range of software to use for later
+net installation of selected apps or other purposes of a minimal
+system.
+
+Of course it would be possible to supply a &quot;server edition&quot; with pure
+64-bit software only + additional server related software. Time will
+tell if this is something we can do (matter of ressources) besides the
+desktop edition which will be the main 'product'.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Two things to be written - the release announcement, and the wrapper
+words for the testing day procedure (to make a testing day
+announcement).
+
+Help welcome!
+
+Testing day is Friday/Saturday (08/09-04-11), and we want to announce
+it on release day (tomorrow) and propagate the announcement widely.
+
+Comms plan: release announcement/testing day announcement
+
+What: release (alpha, beta or otherwise)
+
+Who to: Mageia community
+ Open source communities
+ wider community
+
+How: Mageia blog
+ Distrowatch
+ slashdot
+ other tech news sites
+ Mageia lists - ask list members to forward it to their
+communities (any we've missed) and i18n team, propagate in their
+languages please
+
+Content: what's being released
+ what's new
+ where to go to get it
+ welcome to new users
+ encourage new makers / contributors
+ about Mageia
+
+Extra for testing day:
+ damsweb's testing procedure
+ inside marcomm wrapper
+
+Time to write: marcomm bit, ready by 05-04-11
+ testing wrapper, soon as I see damsweb's doc
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+ma apr 4 22:05:27 CEST 2011
+GNU/Linux 1997-2010 #283226 counter.li.org
+andromeda up 4 hour(s), 8 min.
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+2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Two things to be written - the release announcement, and the wrapper
+</I>&gt;<i> words for the testing day procedure (to make a testing day
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Help welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Testing day is Friday/Saturday (08/09-04-11), and we want to announce
+</I>&gt;<i> it on release day (tomorrow) and propagate the announcement widely.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comms plan: release announcement/testing day announcement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What: release (alpha, beta or otherwise)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who to: Mageia community
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Open source communities
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;wider community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How: &#160; &#160;Mageia blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;other tech news sites
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Mageia lists - ask list members to forward it to their
+</I>&gt;<i> communities (any we've missed) and i18n team, propagate in their
+</I>&gt;<i> languages please
+</I>
+I'd structure this a little bit different, although we mean the same:
+
+The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+Text proposed by marcomm.
+
+Where:
+
+ - internally
+ - - Blog
+ - - Forum
+ - - Mageia lists
+
+ - externally
+ - - Distrowatch
+ - - slashdot
+ - - other sites
+
+ - through i18n:
+ - - translations of the blog and the download page (as has been done
+for previous announcements)
+ - - spreading the announcement to local communities (lists, forums),
+local news sites and online magazines
+
+&gt;<i> Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I> - with link to the release notes
+
+&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I> - link to the download page
+
+&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;welcome to new users
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;encourage new makers / contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;about Mageia
+</I>
+To achieve worldwide attention (we should reach this until final) it
+should all be spread within a very tight time span, on the same day.
+People must be plastered with the Mageia announcement, wherever they
+look at that day.
+
+For the future we should implement a procedure where such
+announcements will be sent to the translators 1 day in advance.
+
+&gt;<i> Extra for testing day:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;damsweb's testing procedure
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;inside marcomm wrapper
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Time to write: marcomm bit, ready by 05-04-11
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;testing wrapper, soon as I see damsweb's doc
+</I>
+The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2011/4/5 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Comments inside:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Two things to be written - the release announcement, and the wrapper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> words for the testing day procedure (to make a testing day
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcement).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Help welcome!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Testing day is Friday/Saturday (08/09-04-11), and we want to announce
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it on release day (tomorrow) and propagate the announcement widely.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comms plan: release announcement/testing day announcement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What: release (alpha, beta or otherwise)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Who to: Mageia community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Open source communities
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;wider community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How: &#160; &#160;Mageia blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;slashdot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;other tech news sites
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Mageia lists - ask list members to forward it to their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communities (any we've missed) and i18n team, propagate in their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> languages please
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd structure this a little bit different, although we mean the same:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Text proposed by marcomm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- internally
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - Blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - Forum
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - Mageia lists
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- externally
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - other sites
+</I>
+Not forgetting facebook, twitter and all others! :)
+
+&gt;<i> &#160;- through i18n:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - translations of the blog and the download page (as has been done
+</I>&gt;<i> for previous announcements)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - spreading the announcement to local communities (lists, forums),
+</I>&gt;<i> local news sites and online magazines
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- with link to the release notes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;welcome to new users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;encourage new makers / contributors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;about Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To achieve worldwide attention (we should reach this until final) it
+</I>&gt;<i> should all be spread within a very tight time span, on the same day.
+</I>&gt;<i> People must be plastered with the Mageia announcement, wherever they
+</I>&gt;<i> look at that day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the future we should implement a procedure where such
+</I>&gt;<i> announcements will be sent to the translators 1 day in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Extra for testing day:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;damsweb's testing procedure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;inside marcomm wrapper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Time to write: marcomm bit, ready by 05-04-11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;testing wrapper, soon as I see damsweb's doc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+</I>&gt;<i> following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+</I>&gt;<i> related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+</I>
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+&gt;<i> Comments inside:
+</I>
+Thanks Wobo... now, you got any way of magicking up some more people
+to do it? 8-)
+
+I'm happy to use your wording, not forgetting that it has to be done
+*today*.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+<PRE>Hi Wobo,
+
+&gt;<i> Comments inside:
+</I>
+And mine:
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Two things to be written - the release announcement, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrapper words for the testing day procedure (to make a testing day
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announcement).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Help welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Testing day is Friday/Saturday (08/09-04-11), and we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announce it on release day (tomorrow) and propagate the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announcement widely.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Comms plan: release announcement/testing day announcement
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What: release (alpha, beta or otherwise)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Who to: Mageia community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Open source communities
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;wider community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How: &#160; &#160;Mageia blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;other tech news sites
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Mageia lists - ask list members to forward it to their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; communities (any we've missed) and i18n team, propagate in their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; languages please
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd structure this a little bit different, although we mean the
+</I>&gt;<i> same:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Text proposed by marcomm.
+</I>
+The who I meant is &quot;to whom are we speaking with this announcement?&quot;
+
+From the roadmap, this release is for: packagers, developers, testers
+(as per Alphas 1 and 2) and (new) test users.
+
+So, are we unleashing Beta 1 on the general public? How public do we
+want this announcement to be?
+
+Next: the text of the actual announcement vs. the marketing/comms
+text; where do we get hold of the actual announcement to write up a
+release notice that a) refers to the announcement and b) can be
+released?
+
+Next: who should see the marcomm text before it gets released, to say
+yea/nay?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - internally
+</I>&gt;<i> - - Blog
+</I>&gt;<i> - - Forum
+</I>&gt;<i> - - Mageia lists
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - externally
+</I>&gt;<i> - - Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;<i> - - slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> - - other sites
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - through i18n:
+</I>&gt;<i> - - translations of the blog and the download page (as has been
+</I>&gt;<i> done for previous announcements)
+</I>&gt;<i> - - spreading the announcement to local communities (lists,
+</I>&gt;<i> forums), local news sites and online magazines
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I>&gt;<i> - with link to the release notes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> - link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;welcome to new users
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;encourage new makers / contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;about Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To achieve worldwide attention (we should reach this until final) it
+</I>&gt;<i> should all be spread within a very tight time span, on the same day.
+</I>&gt;<i> People must be plastered with the Mageia announcement, wherever they
+</I>&gt;<i> look at that day.
+</I>
+Yep. And today is release day, so I need to get cracking...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the future we should implement a procedure where such
+</I>&gt;<i> announcements will be sent to the translators 1 day in advance.
+</I>
+*If* I can get the info above, I'll have something for people to look
+at/critique/translate by early afternoon. If not, not.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Extra for testing day:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;damsweb's testing procedure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;inside marcomm wrapper
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Time to write: marcomm bit, ready by 05-04-11
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;testing wrapper, soon as I see damsweb's doc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+</I>&gt;<i> following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+</I>&gt;<i> related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+</I>
+Sure...
+
+Cheers!
+
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+<PRE>2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Two things to be written - the release announcement, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrapper words for the testing day procedure (to make a testing day
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; announcement).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Help welcome!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Testing day is Friday/Saturday (08/09-04-11), and we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; announce it on release day (tomorrow) and propagate the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; announcement widely.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Comms plan: release announcement/testing day announcement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; What: release (alpha, beta or otherwise)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Who to: Mageia community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Open source communities
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;wider community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How: &#160; &#160;Mageia blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;slashdot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;other tech news sites
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Mageia lists - ask list members to forward it to their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; communities (any we've missed) and i18n team, propagate in their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; languages please
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd structure this a little bit different, although we mean the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> same:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Text proposed by marcomm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The who I meant is &quot;to whom are we speaking with this announcement?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From the roadmap, this release is for: packagers, developers, testers
+</I>&gt;<i> (as per Alphas 1 and 2) and (new) test users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, are we unleashing Beta 1 on the general public? How public do we
+</I>&gt;<i> want this announcement to be?
+</I>
+Beginning with the Beta I'd go for general and public in full swing.
+Like all other distros do.
+
+&gt;<i> Next: the text of the actual announcement vs. the marketing/comms
+</I>&gt;<i> text; where do we get hold of the actual announcement to write up a
+</I>&gt;<i> release notice that a) refers to the announcement and b) can be
+</I>&gt;<i> released?
+</I>
+Why do you see 2 documents? The actual announcement is what will be
+published everywhere. What do you mean with &quot;release notice&quot;? I
+understood that this time you will compile it and send it to ennael to
+be published.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- internally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - Blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - Forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - Mageia lists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- externally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - Distrowatch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - slashdot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - other sites
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- through i18n:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - translations of the blog and the download page (as has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done for previous announcements)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - spreading the announcement to local communities (lists,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums), local news sites and online magazines
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- with link to the release notes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;welcome to new users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;encourage new makers / contributors
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;about Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To achieve worldwide attention (we should reach this until final) it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should all be spread within a very tight time span, on the same day.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People must be plastered with the Mageia announcement, wherever they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look at that day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. And today is release day, so I need to get cracking...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the future we should implement a procedure where such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcements will be sent to the translators 1 day in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *If* I can get the info above, I'll have something for people to look
+</I>&gt;<i> at/critique/translate by early afternoon. If not, not.
+</I>
+No, not this time. The official announcement will be made in the blog
+and all i18n groups will use this.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Extra for testing day:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;damsweb's testing procedure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;inside marcomm wrapper
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Time to write: marcomm bit, ready by 05-04-11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;testing wrapper, soon as I see damsweb's doc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+</I>&gt;<i> 52.4161N,16.9303E
+</I>&gt;<i> di apr &#160;5 07:03:32 CEST 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> GNU/Linux 1997-2010 #283226 counter.li.org
+</I>&gt;<i> andromeda up 13 hour(s), 6 min.
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel 2.6.33.7-desktop-2mnb
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments inside:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Wobo... now, you got any way of magicking up some more people
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it? 8-)
+</I>
+To do what?
+Translators and local spreaders are the same and they are ready to go.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+</I>
+Well, it can be distributed as well, as to who is spreading the message.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- with link to the release notes
+</I>
+Link to release notes (in English):
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:beta1_release_notes">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:beta1_release_notes</A> (text to
+be updated of course, that's a rough edited copy of alpha2 RN).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on it, will
+open this afternoon before release announcement. Not localized either
+yet, will be done afterwise, when things are square).
+
+&gt;<i> The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+</I>&gt;<i> following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+</I>&gt;<i> related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+</I>
+I would pre-announce test day on the download page, after download has
+started (among other informations), no? That is, only, of course, if
+we have online doc relative to that, otherwise we'd remove the early
+notice.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 02:46, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/4 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;Who&quot; is quite clear: the main announcer (ennael?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it can be distributed as well, as to who is spreading the message.
+</I>
+Yes
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Content: &#160;what's being released
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;what's new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- with link to the release notes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Link to release notes (in English):
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:beta1_release_notes">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:beta1_release_notes</A> (text to
+</I>&gt;<i> be updated of course, that's a rough edited copy of alpha2 RN).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on it, will
+</I>&gt;<i> open this afternoon before release announcement. Not localized either
+</I>&gt;<i> yet, will be done afterwise, when things are square).
+</I>
+The link to the download page is important to be in the announcement.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> The same procedure in spreading as for the beta announcement,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following as a sequel - people have to regard both announcements as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related, the testing day as a follow-up to the release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would pre-announce test day on the download page, after download has
+</I>&gt;<i> started (among other informations), no? That is, only, of course, if
+</I>&gt;<i> we have online doc relative to that, otherwise we'd remove the early
+</I>&gt;<i> notice.
+</I>
+If needed we have one more day to announce the test day (Friday - 2
+days = Wednesday).
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on it, will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open this afternoon before release announcement. Not localized either
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet, will be done afterwise, when things are square).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The link to the download page is important to be in the announcement.
+</I>
+Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+(redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on it, will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> open this afternoon before release announcement. Not localized either
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yet, will be done afterwise, when things are square).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The link to the download page is important to be in the announcement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>
+Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it, will open this afternoon before release announcement. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; localized either yet, will be done afterwise, when things are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; square).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>
+I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+
+Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or not?
+
+If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+
+Cheers...
+
+--
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+<PRE>2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it, will open this afternoon before release announcement. Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; localized either yet, will be done afterwise, when things are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; square).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>
+I just read that the ISOs are uploaded.
+I thought marcoms task was to compile and send the announcements for
+blog, forum, mailing lists?
+Or did I get that wrong?
+
+--
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+&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; it, will open this afternoon before release announcement. Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; localized either yet, will be done afterwise, when things are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; square).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or not?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>
+My point of view for now :) :
+
+We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time is a
+bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my side I'm
+just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize this for beta2.
+WDYT ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+</I>&gt;<i> 52.4161N,16.9303E
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+--
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+&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; it, will open this afternoon before release announcement. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; localized either yet, will be done afterwise, when things are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; square).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point of view for now :) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time is a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my side I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize this for beta2.
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>
+Sounds good. Marcomm needs *lots* more input and feedback from the
+council about what's expected; we need council support to get an
+actual team rebuilt - and we need to get that process formalised, yes.
+
+I'm out of town from the middle of tomorrow until the weekend, but
+I'd like to get started on the pre-Beta 2 stuff at the start of next
+week; how does that sound?
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
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+<PRE>2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; it, will open this afternoon before release announcement. Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; localized either yet, will be done afterwise, when things are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; square).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; not?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My point of view for now :) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my side I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize this for beta2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds good. Marcomm needs *lots* more input and feedback from the
+</I>&gt;<i> council about what's expected; we need council support to get an
+</I>&gt;<i> actual team rebuilt - and we need to get that process formalised, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm out of town from the middle of tomorrow until the weekend, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to get started on the pre-Beta 2 stuff at the start of next
+</I>&gt;<i> week; how does that sound?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm looking forward to your ideas. From my point of view there isn't
+that much to organize:
+
+1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+written (who does this?)
+
+2. Announcements have to be sent to these internal platforms (who does this?)
+
+3. Entries in /. and DW have to be made/sent (who does this?)
+
+4. Announcements will be localized and spread worldwide by i18n
+
+What else?
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 2011/4/5 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:35, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;where to go to get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;- link to the download page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> (not working yet, working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; on it, will open this afternoon before release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; announcement. Not localized either yet, will be done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; afterwise, when things are square).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The link to the download page is important to be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; announcement.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Yep. And actually, we will use <A HREF="http://mageia.org/downloads/">http://mageia.org/downloads/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; (redirection after supported locales will be done there).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Could you pls notice i18n as soon as localisation can start?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; or not?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My point of view for now :) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is a bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; side I'm just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this for beta2. WDYT ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sounds good. Marcomm needs *lots* more input and feedback from the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; council about what's expected; we need council support to get an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; actual team rebuilt - and we need to get that process formalised,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm out of town from the middle of tomorrow until the weekend, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd like to get started on the pre-Beta 2 stuff at the start of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; next week; how does that sound?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking forward to your ideas. From my point of view there isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> that much to organize:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> written (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Announcements have to be sent to these internal platforms (who
+</I>&gt;<i> does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Entries in /. and DW have to be made/sent (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Announcements will be localized and spread worldwide by i18n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What else?
+</I>
+Announcement doesn't just have to be written - it needs to be written
+in time to be passed back to the community for filtering, sanity
+checking and to find out whether the community likes the way it's
+being presented. So, it's at least a 2-step process, maybe more.
+
+Before anything can be written (at least, before anything approaching
+sensible can be written), the writer needs to have some idea what
+they're writing about, and who their readership is (see my first post
+early today). It's not good enough to assume that they're writing to
+current members of the community who already know enough to fill in
+the gaps or who know the context; from everything I've seen since day
+1, we also want at some stage to talk to people outside our community
+- that means communicating with people who don't know the context or
+enough to fill in the gaps.
+
+Sending oughtn't really to be done until we decide where. Do we stick
+with the standards of geek community/social media and hope for the
+best; do we add mainstream media, and if so, who are we talking to
+and what message are we trying to convey? How inclusive will we be,
+and are we ready for the possiblity of a large influx of
+users/developers/testers; how's our community going to hold up if we
+have a lot of sudden change?
+
+So, before we do your points 1 &amp; 2, there's some thinking and prep to
+do - possibly quite a lot.
+
+On points 2 and 3, we could perhaps do with some kind of Mageia
+Persona to send out information - a press@ or communications@ persona
+(which could have anyone at the back end; this persona could submit
+stories to /., the fb page, send tweets and issue press releases to
+all and sundry. Just a thought.
+
+The mechanism of spreading is the last stage of the journey - there's
+quite a bit to do before that. Once there's something to spread, and
+a clear notion of where it's to go and who should send it (and who
+should do backup to fill the holes), it's fairly straightforward.
+
+What if we get TV interest? Who will handle that and how much backup
+will they need/want from marcomm?
+
+We'd like to make a splash with the final release of Mageia 1,
+wouldn't we? Will we be ready?
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+<PRE>All this reads very insightful and I do admit that some of your
+thoughts never occurred to me because they were obvious until now.
+
+2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Announcement doesn't just have to be written - it needs to be written
+</I>&gt;<i> in time to be passed back to the community for filtering, sanity
+</I>&gt;<i> checking and to find out whether the community likes the way it's
+</I>&gt;<i> being presented. So, it's at least a 2-step process, maybe more.
+</I>
+Hmm, how many people you want to ask what has to be written in an
+announcement of a new version? Isn't it quite clear what has to be
+addressed?
+
+What is the difference between an announcement to the community and
+one going to the outside world? An Announcement has to say
+ - who announces
+ - what is tha subject of the announcement
+
+For a release this means
+ - version and date (making a point in being on schedule, if so)
+ - main points like new versions of major software or some innovative
+technology or whatever is the main &quot;killer&quot; of the release
+ - if it's a test release (alpha, beta, rc) say something about the
+main focus of this test release
+
+Then the usual info:
+ - errata page
+ - release notes
+ - download (what and where)
+ - other informational pages of the project, contact info
+
+What of these points would you change depending on the target, which
+targets, are there different targets at all? See next paragraph.
+
+&gt;<i> Sending oughtn't really to be done until we decide where. Do we stick
+</I>&gt;<i> with the standards of geek community/social media and hope for the
+</I>&gt;<i> best;
+</I>
+We never did. We always tried to send release announcements out to
+everybody, geek or not geek (I'm relating to former Mandriva
+communication policy, around 2003-2005). As I already wrote, we spread
+to the geek targets but also to the general IT crowd, private users
+and professionals. Best examples are /., Distrowatch, online and print
+magazines.
+
+&gt;<i> On points 2 and 3, we could perhaps do with some kind of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Persona to send out information - a press@ or communications@ persona
+</I>&gt;<i> (which could have anyone at the back end; this persona could submit
+</I>&gt;<i> stories to /., the fb page, send tweets and issue press releases to
+</I>&gt;<i> all and sundry. Just a thought.
+</I>
+Yes, detaching press work to some more persons than those who do it
+now would be nice - when we will find such persons. But parts of this
+is already done by several people.
+
+&gt;<i> What if we get TV interest? Who will handle that and how much backup
+</I>&gt;<i> will they need/want from marcomm?
+</I>
+This depends 1. on the occasion (local), 2 on the language, 3. on the
+kind of coverage the tv company wants to do (more general, more
+technical, etc.
+
+May be you are coming from the marketing side which results in
+different views, I have no relation to marketing in this context (I
+mean marketing in a non-profit world).
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Hi Wobo,
+
+&gt;<i> All this reads very insightful and I do admit that some of your
+</I>&gt;<i> thoughts never occurred to me because they were obvious until now.
+</I>
+It's a whole nother art form, true.
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Announcement doesn't just have to be written - it needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; written in time to be passed back to the community for filtering,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sanity checking and to find out whether the community likes the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way it's being presented. So, it's at least a 2-step process,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, how many people you want to ask what has to be written in an
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement of a new version? Isn't it quite clear what has to be
+</I>&gt;<i> addressed?
+</I>
+One man's clarity is another woman's obscurity... 8-). If we're
+representing a community - which is what I think Mageia's marketing
+is doing, in part - it's good to know whether or not the community
+feels comfortable with the way they're being represented. It's also
+good if the community feels that marketing is actually a useful
+and valuable part of the community.
+
+You could check out the last time Yorick and the discuss list had a
+conversation, to get a really unmistakable feel for this - I should
+probably not need to point out that the shrinkage to not-quite-zero
+of the marketing team can be traced back to that conversation. A
+pity, because we were full of energy and working hard and well.
+
+&gt;<i> What is the difference between an announcement to the community and
+</I>&gt;<i> one going to the outside world? An Announcement has to say
+</I>&gt;<i> - who announces
+</I>&gt;<i> - what is tha subject of the announcement
+</I>
+It's all in who you're talking to. If you're talking to a community
+of which you're part, you're talking to people who are already on the
+inside - there's an existing relationship of a kind, and they know
+the context and what's going on and who's who. If you're talking to
+people who aren't part of the community yet, you're extending an
+invitation. You want to present them with a picture of the community
+you're inviting them into (which the community doesn't need), and
+give them reasons that might lead them to come investigate joining -
+or they might just take the community's output and still not join...
+or they might think: no thanks.
+
+&gt;<i> For a release this means
+</I>&gt;<i> - version and date (making a point in being on schedule, if so)
+</I>&gt;<i> - main points like new versions of major software or some
+</I>&gt;<i> innovative technology or whatever is the main &quot;killer&quot; of the
+</I>&gt;<i> release
+</I>&gt;<i> - if it's a test release (alpha, beta, rc) say something about the
+</I>&gt;<i> main focus of this test release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then the usual info:
+</I>&gt;<i> - errata page
+</I>&gt;<i> - release notes
+</I>&gt;<i> - download (what and where)
+</I>&gt;<i> - other informational pages of the project, contact info
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What of these points would you change depending on the target, which
+</I>&gt;<i> targets, are there different targets at all? See next paragraph.
+</I>
+It's all in how it's expressed. Suppose you're a person who is on the
+fringes of the FLOSS community - you've tried Ubuntu, but there are
+so *many* Ubuntu people it's scary to try to join in. You
+might or mightn't be a coder; you might also be a potential tester, or
+documenter, or...
+
+Would you feel like joining, if you felt like the announcement was
+exclusive, geeky, very plain-ordinary and didn't actually say: we're
+looking for people. Please join us - we have room in our community
+for people with all sorts of interests and talents. We need you! -
+you mightn't. It might all feel just a bit too elite.
+
+On the other hand, if you're an established coder, this kind of
+&quot;soft&quot; approach might make you wonder whether you'd be comfortable
+here - do people actually code, or package, or do anything really
+interesting to me? or am I going to get stuck being a marketroid?
+
+On the gripping hand...
+
+You see what I mean, I bet.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Sending oughtn't really to be done until we decide where. Do we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stick with the standards of geek community/social media and hope
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for the best;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We never did. We always tried to send release announcements out to
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody, geek or not geek (I'm relating to former Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> communication policy, around 2003-2005). As I already wrote, we
+</I>&gt;<i> spread to the geek targets but also to the general IT crowd,
+</I>&gt;<i> private users and professionals. Best examples are /., Distrowatch,
+</I>&gt;<i> online and print magazines.
+</I>
+Yep. It was moderately successful. It could have been more so; it
+could be for us. It all depends what the community wants to have
+happen.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; On points 2 and 3, we could perhaps do with some kind of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Persona to send out information - a press@ or communications@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; persona (which could have anyone at the back end; this persona
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could submit stories to /., the fb page, send tweets and issue
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; press releases to all and sundry. Just a thought.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, detaching press work to some more persons than those who do it
+</I>&gt;<i> now would be nice - when we will find such persons. But parts of
+</I>&gt;<i> this is already done by several people.
+</I>
+I'd separate here the &quot;persona&quot; which could have anyone behind it
+from the people who do any communication with people outside the
+community (or in it, for that matter, from the &quot;function&quot; of
+co-ordinating, writing and disseminating targeted, on-point and
+well-constructed information about Mageia, whether graphical or
+verbal (or audio, or Braille, or what-have-you). I was positing a
+&quot;persona&quot;; I do think the
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; What if we get TV interest? Who will handle that and how much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backup will they need/want from marcomm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This depends 1. on the occasion (local), 2 on the language, 3. on
+</I>&gt;<i> the kind of coverage the tv company wants to do (more general, more
+</I>&gt;<i> technical, etc.
+</I>
+I'd like to see marcomm be multilingual in time - maybe working
+together with i18n, which is currently very technically-focussed. The
+linguistic needs of marketing are a little different from those of
+package translators (who need to be very precise) and documenters
+(who need a different kind of precision and communication) - it would
+be good to have marcomm/i18n people who could look for the marketing
+nuance as they translated (like it would be good to have documenters
+ditto).
+
+What you get TV to do for you (we/us) depends entirely on how well
+you target your approach to them - same as anything marketing. If you
+can give them an angle that will help them sell advertising, they'll
+look at you. So it depends on the kind of program you want to target.
+
+What I was wondering about, though, was: suppose we're successful in
+getting a TV spot? What then?
+
+&gt;<i> May be you are coming from the marketing side which results in
+</I>&gt;<i> different views, I have no relation to marketing in this context (I
+</I>&gt;<i> mean marketing in a non-profit world).
+</I>
+Marketing is the same whether commercial or otherwise - it's about
+getting the message out. First decide what you want it to be;
+second, construct it; third, spread it. Simplified, but that's the
+job.
+
+Cheers!
+
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+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, detaching press work to some more persons than those who do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it now would be nice - when we will find such persons. But parts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of this is already done by several people.
+</I>
+I'd separate here the &quot;persona&quot; which could have anyone behind it
+from the people who do any communication with people outside the
+community (or in it, for that matter), from the &quot;function&quot; of
+co-ordinating, writing and disseminating targeted, on-point and
+well-constructed information about Mageia, whether graphical or
+verbal (or audio, or Braille, or what-have-you).
+
+I was positing a &quot;persona&quot;; I do think the &quot;function&quot; part is also
+important and it would be nice to plan for that as we plan to grow
+the marcomm team.
+
+Cheers!
+
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+On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 22:38, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> You could check out the last time Yorick and the discuss list had a
+</I>&gt;<i> conversation, to get a really unmistakable feel for this - I should
+</I>&gt;<i> probably not need to point out that the shrinkage to not-quite-zero
+</I>&gt;<i> of the marketing team can be traced back to that conversation. A
+</I>&gt;<i> pity, because we were full of energy and working hard and well.
+</I>
+Yeah but the direction it was taking at the time was not in sync with
+the project state - that is, going too far, too soon. Talking to
+non-users as of today (especially those not aware of Mageia or even
+Linux) is important, and growing our user-base - although this needs
+to scale with regard to the amount of contributors we do need today.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> What is the difference between an announcement to the community and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one going to the outside world? An Announcement has to say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- who announces
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what is tha subject of the announcement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's all in who you're talking to. If you're talking to a community
+</I>&gt;<i> of which you're part, you're talking to people who are already on the
+</I>&gt;<i> inside - there's an existing relationship of a kind, and they know
+</I>&gt;<i> the context and what's going on and who's who. If you're talking to
+</I>&gt;<i> people who aren't part of the community yet, you're extending an
+</I>&gt;<i> invitation. You want to present them with a picture of the community
+</I>&gt;<i> you're inviting them into (which the community doesn't need),
+</I>
+I'd say yes, it needs it. Because a community (especially an online
+one) has a hard time figuring who/what it is I believe - and that's
+where the inviting/human/friendly theme is common to both insiders and
+outsiders of the project.
+
+Representing the community to itself properly (far beyond the online
+text-only interface we daily use) is a must to aim at. Through
+stories, ad-hoc project online/offline activity visibility, and
+probably other things.
+
+&gt;<i> What I was wondering about, though, was: suppose we're successful in
+</I>&gt;<i> getting a TV spot? What then?
+</I>
+We'd do something. Not necessarily the best thing for the very but
+something that promotes the core of the project: free software,
+collaboration, commons - that's something that everyone can share,
+geek or non-geek. Something focused more on the core values driving
+the project than on a project specific.
+
+I'm sure we can do it.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, how many people you want to ask what has to be written in an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcement of a new version? Isn't it quite clear what has to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> addressed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One man's clarity is another woman's obscurity... 8-). If we're
+</I>&gt;<i> representing a community - which is what I think Mageia's marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> is doing, in part - it's good to know whether or not the community
+</I>&gt;<i> feels comfortable with the way they're being represented. It's also
+</I>&gt;<i> good if the community feels that marketing is actually a useful
+</I>&gt;<i> and valuable part of the community.
+</I>
+And how do you want to do this in practice? Announce the draft of an
+announcement?
+
+&gt;<i> You could check out the last time Yorick and the discuss list had a
+</I>&gt;<i> conversation, to get a really unmistakable feel for this - I should
+</I>&gt;<i> probably not need to point out that the shrinkage to not-quite-zero
+</I>&gt;<i> of the marketing team can be traced back to that conversation. A
+</I>&gt;<i> pity, because we were full of energy and working hard and well.
+</I>
+Hmm, I can't say much about that, it was going to deep into an area I
+am not comfortable with.
+
+&gt;<i> It's all in who you're talking to. If you're talking to a community
+</I>&gt;<i> of which you're part, you're talking to people who are already on the
+</I>&gt;<i> inside - there's an existing relationship of a kind, and they know
+</I>&gt;<i> the context and what's going on and who's who. If you're talking to
+</I>&gt;<i> people who aren't part of the community yet, you're extending an
+</I>&gt;<i> invitation. You want to present them with a picture of the community
+</I>&gt;<i> you're inviting them into (which the community doesn't need), and
+</I>&gt;<i> give them reasons that might lead them to come investigate joining -
+</I>&gt;<i> or they might just take the community's output and still not join...
+</I>&gt;<i> or they might think: no thanks.
+</I>
+What you say makes sense but I still don't see the difference. Read
+previous announcements, they all were targeted at the whole crowd,
+saying geeky things but also trying to establish a relation, asking
+the people to join the fun and all that jazz.
+
+&gt;<i> Would you feel like joining, if you felt like the announcement was
+</I>&gt;<i> exclusive, geeky, very plain-ordinary and didn't actually say: we're
+</I>&gt;<i> looking for people. Please join us - we have room in our community
+</I>&gt;<i> for people with all sorts of interests and talents. We need you! -
+</I>&gt;<i> you mightn't. It might all feel just a bit too elite.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> On the other hand, if you're an established coder, this kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;soft&quot; approach might make you wonder whether you'd be comfortable
+</I>&gt;<i> here - do people actually code, or package, or do anything really
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting to me? or am I going to get stuck being a marketroid?
+</I>
+IMHO announcements have to be both, not distinguishing between target
+groups. You can do such a distinction when you hold a conference. You
+know what type of people will be in the audience and you compile your
+speech according to that. You can make a distinction in an article
+about Mageia, you know what kind of people will usually read the
+magazine, so you write the article speaking to them in their language.
+But we are talking about an announcement of a release here, aimed at everybody.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> We never did. We always tried to send release announcements out to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everybody, geek or not geek (I'm relating to former Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communication policy, around 2003-2005). As I already wrote, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spread to the geek targets but also to the general IT crowd,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> private users and professionals. Best examples are /., Distrowatch,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> online and print magazines.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Yep. It was moderately successful. It could have been more so; it
+</I>&gt;<i> could be for us. It all depends what the community wants to have
+</I>&gt;<i> happen.
+</I>
+Hmm, I think you don't know what we did then, may be not in the
+english Mandrake websites but in some localized areas. Well, what the
+community wants to have happen? What do you think? They want to
+
+ - get the feeling that it is their distribution, that they are part of it.
+ - see success, Mageia becoming what Mandrake was for a short time.
+
+&gt;<i> I'd separate here the &quot;persona&quot; which could have anyone behind it
+</I>&gt;<i> from the people who do any communication with people outside the
+</I>&gt;<i> community (or in it, for that matter, from the &quot;function&quot; of
+</I>&gt;<i> co-ordinating, writing and disseminating targeted, on-point and
+</I>&gt;<i> well-constructed information about Mageia, whether graphical or
+</I>&gt;<i> verbal (or audio, or Braille, or what-have-you). I was positing a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;persona&quot;; I do think the...
+</I>
+Well, this depends on what you mean exactly. Of course it would be
+nice to have an ideal setup:
+ - all technical and organisational people will report constantly to
+marcom about what they are doing in detail
+ - marcom is perfectly understanding what those people are talking
+about so marcom can communicate with the press.
+
+As of now we haven't this setup. So, press questions (like request for
+an interview) are done by the person who can do it best. You want to
+change that?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; What if we get TV interest? Who will handle that and how much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; backup will they need/want from marcomm?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This depends 1. on the occasion (local), 2 on the language, 3. on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the kind of coverage the tv company wants to do (more general, more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> technical, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to see marcomm be multilingual in time - maybe working
+</I>&gt;<i> together with i18n, which is currently very technically-focussed. The
+</I>&gt;<i> linguistic needs of marketing are a little different from those of
+</I>&gt;<i> package translators (who need to be very precise) and documenters
+</I>&gt;<i> (who need a different kind of precision and communication) - it would
+</I>&gt;<i> be good to have marcomm/i18n people who could look for the marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> nuance as they translated (like it would be good to have documenters
+</I>&gt;<i> ditto).
+</I>
+Depends what you mean with documents. Id you are talking about manuals
+and HowTos there is no room for marketing, neither in authoring nor in
+translation.
+
+Back to that tv show: as I said, it will depend on the occasion. A tv
+station in France will obviously talk to french people, a tv station
+in Berlin will obviously talk to somebody speaking German, etc. In
+such an interview you can't say, &quot;Cut, I have to ask our marcom team
+what to say.&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> What you get TV to do for you (we/us) depends entirely on how well
+</I>&gt;<i> you target your approach to them - same as anything marketing. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> can give them an angle that will help them sell advertising, they'll
+</I>&gt;<i> look at you. So it depends on the kind of program you want to target.
+</I>
+This is quite different depending where you are and what type of tv
+station it is. I've done some (radio and tv) in Germany, the occasions
+that they are waiting for you are rare because a Linux distribution is
+no real news to get excited over.
+
+&gt;<i> What I was wondering about, though, was: suppose we're successful in
+</I>&gt;<i> getting a TV spot? What then?
+</I>
+This is a very different thing. There you are on the spot with all
+your thoughts about targets and all other stuff. Because advertizing
+is always a question of target.
+
+&gt;<i> Marketing is the same whether commercial or otherwise - it's about
+</I>&gt;<i> getting the message out. First decide what you want it to be;
+</I>&gt;<i> second, construct it; third, spread it. Simplified, but that's the
+</I>&gt;<i> job.
+</I>
+That's all what I was talking about. :)
+
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+<PRE>2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is the difference between an announcement to the community and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one going to the outside world? An Announcement has to say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- who announces
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what is tha subject of the announcement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's all in who you're talking to.
+</I>
+Ok, I just read (and translated) the announcement in the Mageia blog.
+This was easily identifiable as a short matter-of-fact information to
+the community of testers (including all interested parties) that the
+beta version is available for testing. Included the necessary
+informations which I listed in one of my previous mails:
+
+ - who releases what
+ - new versions of main packages and main changes
+ - request for feedback (where and how)
+ - information about download.
+
+Of course this is not an announcement you would send to any external
+news site or magazine as advertisement of your distribution. It's just
+what it wants to be: &quot;Hey, we promised, we deliver. Here it is, help
+us with your feedback, have fun!&quot;
+
+Just to show you that I do see differences where they are :)
+
+--
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+On 04/05/2011 10:55 AM, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm feeling a bit confused here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there actually anything wanted from the marcomm team of 1, or not?
+</I>
+Well Trish, I'm thinking that perhaps we've gotten out of the whole a
+little lethargically, waiting for other things to happen we may have
+felt was necessary.
+
+On the develpment side, it's not so unlike and automatic process where
+each member knows what needs to be done and has been doing pretty much
+the same thing in packaging and testing and other typical software
+related functions.
+
+Yet what I've seen here from our team is something amidst the bootsrap
+process of the Mageia council, and other 'departmental' aspects of
+bringing the entity to life as a product or service.
+
+As someone coming primarily from the technical side of things, I can say
+that if neccessary, we just put our heads down and plow through what
+needs to be done, in order to make the tool work.
+
+We don't have to have a name for what we're doing, or a palatable face,
+since in the purest sense, functionality and utility is truely all that
+is required.
+
+But that doesn't make for the brand, or name recognition in the public
+sector (regardless of how techie or not the audience is).
+
+It's really great that you stepped over to take the chair for the marcom
+team now that the Council is actually seated, and to be fair, a nod (as
+you suggest via the semination across the organization of marketiing
+material) is required from *somewhere* on our part - if for no other
+reason that to NOT get things wrong, like the details or the message.
+
+Until now, and the point where you offered to represent Marcom in the
+Council meetings, I think we were effectively hamstringed in our ability
+to move forward - unless it was unilaterally. Something we didn't want
+to do, and rightfully so.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not, then is there a reason to have the team at all?
+</I>
+That depends on whether we want a message to effectively permeate the
+industry. My Guess is yes, but expect to be marginalized and discounted
+ at every turn of events.
+
+Instead of coming up with the message, in a FOSS tech driven project, as
+opposed to a corporate beaurocratic enterprise, the pace of development
+and innovation usually far exceeds the pace at which Marketing can
+envision, develop, brand, and deliver OUR contribution, so in light of a
+completely different development ethic and control structure on the tech
+side, our mission might be (instead of forming the message and brand),
+to define what the tech side has produced, and remain proactive enough
+to guess where it's all going.
+
+In the FOSS community, R&amp;D immediately precedes release. Not like
+corporate enterprise where releases can be held until the entire package
+can be released as a cohesive web.
+
+It's no one's fault, it's just a different paradigm we're going to have
+to embrace, and have our pencils and erasers handy at every turn.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point of view for now :) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time is a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my side I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize this for beta2.
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well Anne, since you asked, and in light of what I related as my
+observations above, I would recommend that we give Patricia our full
+support going forward with our position of relevance there, and also to
+just forget about beta2 and focus on Mageia 1 RC1 or Stable - it is the
+ second week of April, and there is quite a lot still on the plate to
+deliver our complete package for Mageia 1 in June.
+
+In the meantime, Patricia will be able to engage in the process of
+enforcing a place of relevance for Marcom in the Mageia Universe :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+On 04/05/2011 11:17 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking forward to your ideas. From my point of view there isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> that much to organize:
+</I>
+Apologies for responding here instead, but it's good to see that you
+have a more comprehensive understanding of the dynamics here, based on
+the exchange between you and Patricia in the posts that follow this one :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> written (who does this?)
+</I>
+Ennael appears to have written the one for Alpha 1. Whether or not she
+actually wrote it is beside the point.
+
+I think she's the logical spokesperson for, lack of a better term, the
+corporate face of Mageia.
+
+Now, having said that, perhaps it is time to bring up how grammatically
+atrocious the English version of that blog announcement was. It's
+obvious that even the wind of that release announcement never came
+through this committee - which is an obvious case in point.
+
+I also concur with Patricia regarding what we refer to in technical
+terms, a *Role Account*, for the dissemination of Press releases, news
+articles, etc., for places like below...
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Entries in /. and DW have to be made/sent (who does this?)
+</I>
+One thing the rest of us don't have to wait on is decide where in the
+cloud we're going to put our master spreadsheets for our media contacts.
+
+We should decide that right now - this isn't something we need other
+aspects of the project to concur on before moving on - it's internal.
+
+We can start with one of those services like SugarSync, DropBox,
+GoogleDocs, or (my personal preference) something like TigerCRM that our
+Marcom team can utilize to keep track of the myriad of press contacts
+and resources we must maintain.
+
+We have our own servers now, and I think a CRM is warranted, but
+regardless, we have an immediate need to keep our stuff in the cloud and
+share it with each other.
+
+To the list above, I would also add DZone and DistroWatch. It may sound
+a little self serving, but we should have a couple of templates to push
+product reviews to several sites too, IMO.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'll of course be releasing my news articles heralding the release of
+Mageia 1 Stable in the usual syndicated channels I use.
+
+Oh here's another great site I use a lot, which really has strong Kung
+Fu: <A HREF="http://www.prlog.org/">http://www.prlog.org/</A>
+
+I'm happy to set up accounts in a few places like that, as well as /.,
+freshmeat, DZone, and other places, but before I can...
+
+We need our role account[s] (aka personages or various persona) to have
+email addresses too. I think three or four to start would be good.
+
+Say, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-xxx at mageia.com</A> (I could care less about the namiing
+convention used, but something relevant and mnemonic).
+
+After all, we have to verify for all the sites we register with in the
+channel, and need an email address for that via our role accounts.
+
+We've got about an hour less than we did when I made my last post to
+this list, until the release of Mageia 1 Stable, in June.
+
+Kindest regards,
+
+
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+I noticed that we have a <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">press at mageia.org.</A> Who is handling that role
+account? And our FaceBook Account?
+
+These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+
+I know Romain brought this up over two months ago, I just went over it
+in the list archives, and to my knowledge, a report containing this data
+hasn't been presented as of yet.
+
+But I'm not certain that it hasn't, just that it hasn't been presented
+on this list or our IRC chan in any of our marcom meetings.
+
+Regardless, we do need a few role accounts, and <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">username at mageia.org</A>
+would be good too for each of us to have too IMO.
+
+And we don't have a marcom group in the forums either, and this was
+discussed at length on the list here too (you'll recall the discussions
+about whether we would stick with the existing FudForum software we had
+been provided or whether we would be moving to other software at the
+mageia.org proper site ;) ). Who do we talk to to get this corrected?
+
+Anyway, whichever way we go, or don't go, I was pretty tired when I did
+the first write ups, so again, apologies for the typos :)
+
+Also, I was blowing through those last two posts so fast I think I was
+thinking SugarSync, then somehow SugarCRM got into my head when I meant
+to say VTiger CRM, rather than TigerCRM LOL!
+
+It's good stuff, I support about 30 instances of it in various
+enterprises, and can serve the entire organization or just marcom,
+whichever.
+
+I recommend the marcom team members each have a look at it here:
+<A HREF="http://www.vtiger.com/">http://www.vtiger.com/</A>
+
+Finally, I have to go back and ask again, &quot;Who is, or collectively are,
+the people responsible for posting such possibly inappropriate material
+on our facebook page like:
+<A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater">http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater</A>
+???
+
+Is that the kind of message we want to put out there? That of Urinating
+in public?
+
+Yes?
+
+Yes Trish, There is a very important place for Marcom in this project,
+and that's just another example, IMNSHO, of what happens when we don't
+have a standard protocol that is filtered through this part (the marcom
+part) of the Mageia Universe.
+
+On 04/06/2011 01:13 AM, Bradley D. Thornton wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 04/05/2011 11:17 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking forward to your ideas. From my point of view there isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that much to organize:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apologies for responding here instead, but it's good to see that you
+</I>&gt;<i> have a more comprehensive understanding of the dynamics here, based on
+</I>&gt;<i> the exchange between you and Patricia in the posts that follow this one :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> written (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ennael appears to have written the one for Alpha 1. Whether or not she
+</I>&gt;<i> actually wrote it is beside the point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think she's the logical spokesperson for, lack of a better term, the
+</I>&gt;<i> corporate face of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, having said that, perhaps it is time to bring up how grammatically
+</I>&gt;<i> atrocious the English version of that blog announcement was. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious that even the wind of that release announcement never came
+</I>&gt;<i> through this committee - which is an obvious case in point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also concur with Patricia regarding what we refer to in technical
+</I>&gt;<i> terms, a *Role Account*, for the dissemination of Press releases, news
+</I>&gt;<i> articles, etc., for places like below...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Entries in /. and DW have to be made/sent (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing the rest of us don't have to wait on is decide where in the
+</I>&gt;<i> cloud we're going to put our master spreadsheets for our media contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should decide that right now - this isn't something we need other
+</I>&gt;<i> aspects of the project to concur on before moving on - it's internal.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can start with one of those services like SugarSync, DropBox,
+</I>&gt;<i> GoogleDocs, or (my personal preference) something like TigerCRM that our
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcom team can utilize to keep track of the myriad of press contacts
+</I>&gt;<i> and resources we must maintain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have our own servers now, and I think a CRM is warranted, but
+</I>&gt;<i> regardless, we have an immediate need to keep our stuff in the cloud and
+</I>&gt;<i> share it with each other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To the list above, I would also add DZone and DistroWatch. It may sound
+</I>&gt;<i> a little self serving, but we should have a couple of templates to push
+</I>&gt;<i> product reviews to several sites too, IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll of course be releasing my news articles heralding the release of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1 Stable in the usual syndicated channels I use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh here's another great site I use a lot, which really has strong Kung
+</I>&gt;<i> Fu: <A HREF="http://www.prlog.org/">http://www.prlog.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm happy to set up accounts in a few places like that, as well as /.,
+</I>&gt;<i> freshmeat, DZone, and other places, but before I can...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need our role account[s] (aka personages or various persona) to have
+</I>&gt;<i> email addresses too. I think three or four to start would be good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Say, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-xxx at mageia.com</A> (I could care less about the namiing
+</I>&gt;<i> convention used, but something relevant and mnemonic).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After all, we have to verify for all the sites we register with in the
+</I>&gt;<i> channel, and need an email address for that via our role accounts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We've got about an hour less than we did when I made my last post to
+</I>&gt;<i> this list, until the release of Mageia 1 Stable, in June.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kindest regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>_______________________________________________
+Mageia-marketing mailing list
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+
+- --
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+NorthTech Computer
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed that we have a <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">press at mageia.org.</A> Who is handling that role
+</I>&gt;<i> account? And our FaceBook Account?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+</I>&gt;<i> the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry ti be that short but what about having quick irc meeting on that
+specific topic. I think it's important enough to take some time for it
+and for sure, discussion will go a bit faster :)
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:36, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+</I>&gt;<i> the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+</I>
+Yep, but that requires a team to be setup and to show regular
+attendance and to have a clear lead - not that you aren't beginning
+now, but the marcom teams activity record is still in its infancy.
+
+So far, those aliases are managed through the board and maybe a few
+founding members.
+
+&gt;<i> Regardless, we do need a few role accounts, and <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">username at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> would be good too for each of us to have too IMO.
+</I>
+@mageia.org user aliases so far are expected for Board &amp; Council
+members and to be slowly extended to crucial roles within teams and
+hopefully to all peer contributors (and note the &quot;peer&quot; part of it).
+
+&gt;<i> And we don't have a marcom group in the forums either, and this was
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed at length on the list here too (you'll recall the discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> about whether we would stick with the existing FudForum software we had
+</I>&gt;<i> been provided or whether we would be moving to other software at the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org proper site ;) ). Who do we talk to to get this corrected?
+</I>
+I'm not aware of (or don't remember about) that. If you are to use a
+Web-based forum, you would gain in using <A HREF="http://forums.mageia.org">http://forums.mageia.org</A> -
+but be aware that:
+ - you will get a higher scrutinity there - not that it's bad, but
+it's important to know;
+ - you will have to manage hiatuses between your forum and your
+mailing-list, some people not reading/using both.
+
+&gt;<i> Finally, I have to go back and ask again, &quot;Who is, or collectively are,
+</I>&gt;<i> the people responsible for posting such possibly inappropriate material
+</I>&gt;<i> on our facebook page like:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater">http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ???
+</I>
+Removed. That's more a matter of curation/moderation. The Facebook
+page is public and everyone can post to it (and that's good) but could
+be better animated, if we can focus someone more on this, yes (that
+role is in the users/forums/ml/community teams that are not really
+setup either at this time - maybe you could try to ignite that).
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+I noticed that we have a <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">press at mageia.org.</A> Who is handling that role
+account? And our FaceBook Account?
+
+These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+
+I know Romain brought this up over two months ago, I just went over it
+in the list archives, and to my knowledge, a report containing this data
+hasn't been presented as of yet.
+
+But I'm not certain that it hasn't, just that it hasn't been presented
+on this list or our IRC chan in any of our marcom meetings.
+
+Regardless, we do need a few role accounts, and <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">username at mageia.org</A>
+would be good too for each of us to have too IMO.
+
+And we don't have a marcom group in the forums either, and this was
+discussed at length on the list here too (you'll recall the discussions
+about whether we would stick with the existing FudForum software we had
+been provided or whether we would be moving to other software at the
+mageia.org proper site ;) ). Who do we talk to to get this corrected?
+
+um...
+
+I'm not aware of any issues we've had with spambots on this list, but I
+would think that sending image and soundbyte attachments via this list
+would be a norm, rather than an exception.
+
+So the list is moderated, why, I couldn't guess, but that is sad.
+Especially since we haven't had any issues to date that would warrant
+that AFAIK.
+
+Well, I just reposted my last post (sans the photo of the urination act
+- - for that you can simply visit the link below to our public facebook
+page for mageia).
+
+What follows is a repost of my [moderated] post:
+
+
+
+
+Anyway, whichever way we go, or don't go, I was pretty tired when I did
+the first write ups, so again, apologies for the typos :)
+
+Also, I was blowing through those last two posts so fast I think I was
+thinking SugarSync, then somehow SugarCRM got into my head when I meant
+to say VTiger CRM, rather than TigerCRM LOL!
+
+It's good stuff, I support about 30 instances of it in various
+enterprises, and can serve the entire organization or just marcom,
+whichever.
+
+I recommend the marcom team members each have a look at it here:
+<A HREF="http://www.vtiger.com/">http://www.vtiger.com/</A>
+
+Finally, I have to go back and ask again, &quot;Who is, or collectively are,
+the people responsible for posting such possibly inappropriate material
+on our facebook page like:
+<A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater">http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater</A>
+???
+
+Is that the kind of message we want to put out there? That of Urinating
+in public?
+
+Yes?
+
+Yes Trish, There is a very important place for Marcom in this project,
+and that's just another example, IMNSHO, of what happens when we don't
+have a standard protocol that is filtered through this part (the marcom
+part) of the Mageia Universe.
+
+
+- --
+Bradley D. Thornton
+Manager Network Services
+NorthTech Computer
+TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US)
+TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK)
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+duh. the post already was passed before I resent - apologies :)
+
+On 04/06/2011 04:30 AM, Bradley D. Thornton wrote:
+&gt;<i> I noticed that we have a <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">press at mageia.org.</A> Who is handling that role
+</I>
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+Yes Anne,
+
+That would be great! But I've only been able to make part of two marcom
+meetings to date, unfortunately, because of scheduling issues.
+
+For example, I'm getting ready to shut down work for the day (04:38hrs
+here in SoCal), and our meetings are usually set for around 16 or
+17:00hrs UTC which is a kind of awkward time for people in the Pacific
+region ;)
+
+I made the beginning of one meeting and came in for a few minutes in the
+middle of another, but attendance was a bit dismal.
+
+I'm in #chan right now, and I'm there most of the time. I try to be
+dilligent in that, and in promoting the pre-release of Mageia too, but
+yes, we definately need tools we don't have to move forward on several
+fronts and although on a personal level that doesn't really affect us,
+as a group it marginalizes us.
+
+On 04/06/2011 03:03 AM, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/6 Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I noticed that we have a <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">press at mageia.org.</A> Who is handling that role
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> account? And our FaceBook Account?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry ti be that short but what about having quick irc meeting on that
+</I>&gt;<i> specific topic. I think it's important enough to take some time for it
+</I>&gt;<i> and for sure, discussion will go a bit faster :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Hi Bradley!
+
+Thanks for your words; it's been a big boost. I've snipped a fair
+bit, but I didn't miss a word!
+
+Unfortunately I'm only able to mark time between now and Sunday - I'm
+on my way to an exhibition for my day-job - but I'll be doing plenty
+of thinking.
+
+&gt;<i> It's really great that you stepped over to take the chair for the
+</I>&gt;<i> marcom team now that the Council is actually seated, and to be
+</I>&gt;<i> fair, a nod (as you suggest via the semination across the
+</I>&gt;<i> organization of marketiing material) is required from *somewhere*
+</I>&gt;<i> on our part - if for no other reason that to NOT get things wrong,
+</I>&gt;<i> like the details or the message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Until now, and the point where you offered to represent Marcom in
+</I>&gt;<i> the Council meetings, I think we were effectively hamstringed in
+</I>&gt;<i> our ability to move forward - unless it was unilaterally. Something
+</I>&gt;<i> we didn't want to do, and rightfully so.
+</I>
+Yes - and that bit about not being unilateral is very, very important!
+
+&gt;<i> In the FOSS community, R&amp;D immediately precedes release. Not like
+</I>&gt;<i> corporate enterprise where releases can be held until the entire
+</I>&gt;<i> package can be released as a cohesive web.
+</I>
+In the corporate environments I've worked in for the last
+quarter-century (don't that sound grand?) it's been exactly the same
+as in a FOSS project - R&amp;D up to and past the last minute. The only
+difference here is we're trying to grow a community rather than a
+bank balance - in many ways easier (because one doesn't have to
+prevaricate, ever &lt;beam&gt;) and in many ways harder (because bringing a
+single voice out of a community of volunteers is like herding cats).
+But I think we can do it. (My day job is in adaptive tech, and I
+work globally, so I've got a fair idea.)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; We should prepare all process for beta2 and next releases. Time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is a bit short for beta1. It took time to release isos and on my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; side I'm just finalizing things. What I suggest is formalize this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for beta2. WDYT ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well Anne, since you asked, and in light of what I related as my
+</I>&gt;<i> observations above, I would recommend that we give Patricia our full
+</I>&gt;<i> support going forward with our position of relevance there, and
+</I>&gt;<i> also to just forget about beta2 and focus on Mageia 1 RC1 or Stable
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is the second week of April, and there is quite a lot still on
+</I>&gt;<i> the plate to deliver our complete package for Mageia 1 in June.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the meantime, Patricia will be able to engage in the process of
+</I>&gt;<i> enforcing a place of relevance for Marcom in the Mageia Universe :)
+</I>
+Agree! Thanks! and I hope you won't be too swamped with the tech stuff
+to put your voice right in there...
+
+Cheers,
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; written (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ennael appears to have written the one for Alpha 1. Whether or not
+</I>&gt;<i> she actually wrote it is beside the point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think she's the logical spokesperson for, lack of a better term,
+</I>&gt;<i> the corporate face of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, having said that, perhaps it is time to bring up how
+</I>&gt;<i> grammatically atrocious the English version of that blog
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement was. It's obvious that even the wind of that release
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement never came through this committee - which is an
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious case in point.
+</I>
+Yep - and the current one's not a lot better. Lots of opportunities
+are also being missed to put a communication-type wrapper around it
+that speaks about what kind of community we are - must be fixed for
+Final, if not for Beta2.
+
+&gt;<i> I also concur with Patricia regarding what we refer to in technical
+</I>&gt;<i> terms, a *Role Account*, for the dissemination of Press releases,
+</I>&gt;<i> news articles, etc., for places like below...
+</I>
+Role account; also advisory to the board on presenting Mageia outside
+the core community.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Entries in /. and DW have to be made/sent (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing the rest of us don't have to wait on is decide where in
+</I>&gt;<i> the cloud we're going to put our master spreadsheets for our media
+</I>&gt;<i> contacts.
+</I>
+Can we have some server space and a CRM, and who do we ask for that?
+What I'd like to be able to tell new marcom people is: go to here
+&lt;link&gt;, use your Mageia ID to log in, have at it.
+
+I'd also like something like the Wiki we used with Graham to work out
+the Vision and so on - that was very good for teamwork, even with us
+being in different timezones. Any ideas? Then we can sandbox our
+writings for people to look at and comment on (on the list maybe?) so
+we can refine it.
+
+&gt;<i> We've got about an hour less than we did when I made my last post to
+</I>&gt;<i> this list, until the release of Mageia 1 Stable, in June.
+</I>
+Even less now!
+
+If we could get the CRM and sandbox/marcomm wiki area set up by the
+start of next week, we can get cracking.
+
+And: who's team leader for Artwork? I know Alex is doing a lot of the
+creative stuff, but we should feed stuff through the team leader -
+requests for artwork to go with writings, collaborate on
+posters/banners/whatever...
+
+Cheers!
+
+
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Comments inline:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; written (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ennael appears to have written the one for Alpha 1. Whether or not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> she actually wrote it is beside the point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think she's the logical spokesperson for, lack of a better term,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the corporate face of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, having said that, perhaps it is time to bring up how
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grammatically atrocious the English version of that blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcement was. It's obvious that even the wind of that release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcement never came through this committee - which is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obvious case in point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep - and the current one's not a lot better. Lots of opportunities
+</I>&gt;<i> are also being missed to put a communication-type wrapper around it
+</I>&gt;<i> that speaks about what kind of community we are &#160;- must be fixed for
+</I>&gt;<i> Final, if not for Beta2.
+</I>
+As I already wrote in this thread:
+The current announcement is a simple information to the community of
+testers and all interested people that Beta1 is out, what is new,
+where to get it and what to test. No more and no less. As that it is
+quite alright.
+It is not meant as a full size descriptive and inviting announcement
+from Mageia to the world, where we would certainly wrap up the sheer
+information inside an inviting and more comprehensive text.
+
+&gt;<i> Role account; also advisory to the board on presenting Mageia outside
+</I>&gt;<i> the core community.
+</I>
+That would be nice and important whenever the time allows to ask for
+this advice, i.e. in situations where announcements and other docs are
+planned some time before they are needed.
+
+&gt;<i> Can we have some server space and a CRM, and who do we ask for that?
+</I>&gt;<i> What I'd like to be able to tell new marcom people is: go to here
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;link&gt;, use your Mageia ID to log in, have at it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd also like something like the Wiki we used with Graham to work out
+</I>&gt;<i> the Vision and so on - that was very good for teamwork, even with us
+</I>&gt;<i> being in different timezones. Any ideas? Then we can sandbox our
+</I>&gt;<i> writings for people to look at and comment on (on the list maybe?) so
+</I>&gt;<i> we can refine it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We've got about an hour less than we did when I made my last post to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this list, until the release of Mageia 1 Stable, in June.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even less now!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we could get the CRM and sandbox/marcomm wiki area set up by the
+</I>&gt;<i> start of next week, we can get cracking.
+</I>
+You can have all the space you need in the existing wiki right now.
+Just log in and create it.
+
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+On 04/06/2011 03:12 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:36, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These are things we should be collecting the particulars of, and who are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the managers of those role accounts, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, but that requires a team to be setup and to show regular
+</I>&gt;<i> attendance and to have a clear lead - not that you aren't beginning
+</I>&gt;<i> now, but the marcom teams activity record is still in its infancy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, those aliases are managed through the board and maybe a few
+</I>&gt;<i> founding members.
+</I>
+Well I don't know what Trish's schedule is like, but I idle in #chan
+most of the time, maintain archives of it, and can respond quite
+regularly to any /query's or /msg's sent to me ther (tallship).
+
+I believe that we can whip out a convention for the creation of the
+email aliases to delegate to the council since they've seemingly taken
+over the sysadmin team's job too, and we'll see if they actually act on
+it, or pass it by like the forum/email list integration listed below as
+a priority a few months ago.
+
+We need a bit of reciprocity here. We can't be waiting on the horse for
+the cart and be expected to deliver the grain before the horse arrives
+to pull us along.
+
+There's a lot of infrastructure we requested and decided upon having
+here, and yet await.
+
+If the council would rather do everything themselves instead, then more
+power to them.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regardless, we do need a few role accounts...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And we don't have a marcom group in the forums either, and this was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussed at length on the list here too (you'll recall the discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about whether we would stick with the existing FudForum software we had
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been provided or whether we would be moving to other software at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia.org proper site ;) ). Who do we talk to to get this corrected?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not aware of (or don't remember about) that. If you are to use a
+</I>&gt;<i> Web-based forum, you would gain in using <A HREF="http://forums.mageia.org">http://forums.mageia.org</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> but be aware that:
+</I>&gt;<i> - you will get a higher scrutinity there - not that it's bad, but
+</I>&gt;<i> it's important to know;
+</I>&gt;<i> - you will have to manage hiatuses between your forum and your
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing-list, some people not reading/using both.
+</I>
+Yes that was discussed at length, Wolfgang brought up the significance
+of syncing the forums and the email lists so that two disparate groups
+didn't begin to emerge independant of each other due to the lack of
+preference for one medium over the other.
+
+A simple technical detail that I'm wholly in favor of, although I myself
+prefer to use email lists themselves :)
+
+And forums archive better for search indexing.
+
+That discussion is archived (Don't tell me if we don't archive this
+Mailman list - that would be very bad and I would rather not know if
+that were the case) on this list - the particular discussion being
+spawned on 24 January 2011.
+
+We've waited for about six months now as a team, and suddenly the
+'council' is arbitrarily creating lists and contact points without input
+or direction, or researching what has already been prepared and waiting
+on their actual formation?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Finally, I have to go back and ask again, &quot;Who is, or collectively are,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the people responsible for posting such possibly inappropriate material
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on our facebook page like:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater">http://www.facebook.com/Mageia#!/photo.php?fbid=1371504459899&amp;set=o.157247240967735&amp;theater</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed. That's more a matter of curation/moderation. The Facebook
+</I>&gt;<i> page is public and everyone can post to it (and that's good) but could
+</I>&gt;<i> be better animated, if we can focus someone more on this, yes (that
+</I>&gt;<i> role is in the users/forums/ml/community teams that are not really
+</I>&gt;<i> setup either at this time - maybe you could try to ignite that).
+</I>
+hm... :)
+
+I did run over and throw a few posts out just to help in filling the
+forums with some kruft and content so it can get going. I noticed
+several others trying to do the same thing too :)
+
+Eventually, we won't have to work so hard at that, and the business of
+helping people with technical support issues will replace the
+artificially prompted posts in the very beginning ;)
+
+But as of now, I'm pretty much kaput. I wanted to spend some time
+staying in synch with the discussion list here, and yes, I'm a little
+frustrated that many of the things that appeared to be resolved on the
+list here were seemingly disregarded when it came time to implement, and
+simply arbitrarily taken on as a task by the 'council' and some
+'founders' w/o input, approval, or direction from this team.
+
+It seems a bit ironic that we had to wait for those things to happen
+(the seating of the council) and then all of the things we had in place
+(throughout the archives of this list) haven't been attended to by those
+we waited to create a position for, so it could be done by them.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>
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+On 04/06/2011 05:00 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Bradley!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your words; it's been a big boost. I've snipped a fair
+</I>&gt;<i> bit, but I didn't miss a word!
+</I>
+arggh! I'll proof read for errors next time :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately I'm only able to mark time between now and Sunday - I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> on my way to an exhibition for my day-job - but I'll be doing plenty
+</I>&gt;<i> of thinking.
+</I>
+Okay it sounds like you're in the states. I'll shoot you my cell number
+under cover of private email (anyone on the team just ask and it's yours
+too), and maybe we can find fifteen minutes or so over the phone and
+then report our work back here to the team?
+
+Kindest regards,
+
+
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+On 04/06/2011 05:25 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/6 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments inline:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Announcement for forum, blog and mailing lists has/have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> written (who does this?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ennael appears to have written the one for Alpha 1. Whether or not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> she actually wrote it is beside the point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think she's the logical spokesperson for, lack of a better term,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the corporate face of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now, having said that, perhaps it is time to bring up how
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grammatically atrocious the English version of that blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> announcement was. It's obvious that even the wind of that release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> announcement never came through this committee - which is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> obvious case in point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep - and the current one's not a lot better. Lots of opportunities
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are also being missed to put a communication-type wrapper around it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that speaks about what kind of community we are - must be fixed for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Final, if not for Beta2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I already wrote in this thread:
+</I>&gt;<i> The current announcement is a simple information to the community of
+</I>&gt;<i> testers and all interested people that Beta1 is out,
+</I>
+The 'current announcement' was a public announcement - As Patricia
+pointed out, it wasn't much better than the first announcement. As I
+pointed out it not even the odor of a draft of this announcement made it
+here to this list.
+
+Finally, it was arbitrarily published, is a hackjob write up, and should
+have come through here.
+
+It doesn't matter who the authors &quot;Think&quot; it is intended for - it is
+public, and a reflection of the marcom group - even though we were
+blindsighted by it.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Role account; also advisory to the board on presenting Mageia outside
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the core community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be nice and important whenever the time allows to ask for
+</I>&gt;<i> this advice, i.e. in situations where announcements and other docs are
+</I>&gt;<i> planned some time before they are needed.
+</I>
+
+I think we've waited six months long enough Wolfgang. I do not concur
+with your thoughts regarding situations that take longer than six months.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can we have some server space and a CRM, and who do we ask for that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I'd like to be able to tell new marcom people is: go to here
+</I>
+&gt;<i> You can have all the space you need in the existing wiki right now.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just log in and create it.
+</I>
+Why yes we can have the server space and a CRM :) Not only that, but
+until such time as whomever it is that we keep asking about that
+apparently doesn't exist gets around to it and finally does this for us,
+I'll create a hosted account for the marcom and other teams since we
+can't get a straight answer otherwise. The wiki is [still] temporary I
+believe, has uses, but not acceptable for what we've already discussed for.
+
+Hopefully, someone will get a clue.
+
+&quot;Who do we ask for????&quot; - &quot;Oh just do this instead&quot;. No! That is
+cojmpletely unacceptable! If we can't have the answers to the questions,
+If the resources we, as a team decided upon, aren't being delivered now
+that all of the pieces we've been waiting on have been put in place to
+do so, then we just need to not bother asking anymore.
+
+I haven't worked on this project for months and months and waited for
+the bootstrapping process to be completed, just so this team can be
+obviated or marginalized by whimsical and arbitrary decision making
+contrary to how this organization is established.
+
+NO. We'll just do it ourselves and when this invisible and anonymous
+person who has the power to set up the tools we've asked for actually
+does it, then they can also take a dump of the database we've built and
+we can have it hosted at megeia.org when it is mature enough an
+infrastructure to host such things.
+
+&quot;USE THE WIKI&quot; Was NOT not appreciated, nor was it an acceptable answer!
+
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 14:09, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yep - and the current one's not a lot better. Lots of opportunities
+</I>&gt;<i> are also being missed to put a communication-type wrapper around it
+</I>&gt;<i> that speaks about what kind of community we are &#160;- must be fixed for
+</I>&gt;<i> Final, if not for Beta2.
+</I>
+Yes. But that requires a bit of balance too. Yes, we're still used to
+do everything in a hurry and
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I also concur with Patricia regarding what we refer to in technical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> terms, a *Role Account*, for the dissemination of Press releases,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> news articles, etc., for places like below...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Role account; also advisory to the board on presenting Mageia outside
+</I>&gt;<i> the core community.
+</I>
+You can do it within the Council too.
+
+&gt;<i> Can we have some server space and a CRM, and who do we ask for that?
+</I>&gt;<i> What I'd like to be able to tell new marcom people is: go to here
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;link&gt;, use your Mageia ID to log in, have at it.
+</I>
+Ask sysadmin team but make sure to have your requirements ready first.
+Or ask the web team to act as a bridge here, still with your specs.
+Note that it does not mean that it will get done asap either - it
+depends if we have someone ready for the job.
+
+&gt;<i> I'd also like something like the Wiki we used with Graham to work out
+</I>&gt;<i> the Vision and so on - that was very good for teamwork, even with us
+</I>&gt;<i> being in different timezones. Any ideas? Then we can sandbox our
+</I>&gt;<i> writings for people to look at and comment on (on the list maybe?) so
+</I>&gt;<i> we can refine it.
+</I>
+You can do that already on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/">http://mageia.org/wiki/</A> .
+
+&gt;<i> And: who's team leader for Artwork? I know Alex is doing a lot of the
+</I>&gt;<i> creative stuff, but we should feed stuff through the team leader -
+</I>&gt;<i> requests for artwork to go with writings, collaborate on
+</I>&gt;<i> posters/banners/whatever...
+</I>
+So far I'm the coordinator/lead for artwork, waiting for someone to
+raise her hand in the team (and for the team to grow a bit more as
+well).
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+<PRE>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 14:26, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I believe that we can whip out a convention for the creation of the
+</I>&gt;<i> email aliases to delegate to the council since they've seemingly taken
+</I>&gt;<i> over the sysadmin team's job too
+</I>
+That's a joke. Just ask sysadmin about that. :-D
+
+&gt;<i> and we'll see if they actually act on it, or pass it by like the forum/email
+</I>&gt;<i> list integration listed below as a priority a few months ago.
+</I>
+Nonsense. This has never been said as a priority (or find me a quote
+about that) but as a &quot;nice-to-have, provided someone stands up to
+properly integrate this in our setup&quot;. It did not happen.
+
+&gt;<i> We need a bit of reciprocity here. We can't be waiting on the horse for
+</I>&gt;<i> the cart and be expected to deliver the grain before the horse arrives
+</I>&gt;<i> to pull us along.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a lot of infrastructure we requested and decided upon having
+</I>&gt;<i> here, and yet await.
+</I>
+References?
+
+&gt;<i> Yes that was discussed at length, Wolfgang brought up the significance
+</I>&gt;<i> of syncing the forums and the email lists so that two disparate groups
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't begin to emerge independant of each other due to the lack of
+</I>&gt;<i> preference for one medium over the other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A simple technical detail that I'm wholly in favor of, although I myself
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer to use email lists themselves :)
+</I>
+There has never been a designed plan to actually make such a sync
+between the official forums and the mailing-lists. The ml/forum bridge
+has been provided by a third party advocating for it (good) but that
+has not answered on details for joining the sysadmin team to help
+spec'ing and setting this up for good.
+
+So better leave this aside as long as no one takes this tasks.
+
+&gt;<i> That discussion is archived (Don't tell me if we don't archive this
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailman list - that would be very bad and I would rather not know if
+</I>&gt;<i> that were the case) on this list - the particular discussion being
+</I>&gt;<i> spawned on 24 January 2011.
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/mailman/">http://mageia.org/mailman/</A> - help yourself.
+
+&gt;<i> We've waited for about six months now as a team, and suddenly the
+</I>&gt;<i> 'council' is arbitrarily creating lists and contact points without input
+</I>&gt;<i> or direction, or researching what has already been prepared and waiting
+</I>&gt;<i> on their actual formation?
+</I>
+You must be kidding. There has been a regular, permanent marcomm' team
+in the past six months with regular meetings and actions?
+
+I am not saying that there was not one. Patricia, you, a few others
+were here from time to time. But in no way as much active as a few
+other teams in the project (web, artwork or even more, packagers,
+translators, sysadmins to name a few).
+
+I am not blaming anyone/anything here. But pretending that the marcom
+team has been waiting the past six months is pure nonsense when most
+that was expected from the team was setting up and organizing, and
+opening wide ears and eyes to all the people and activity within the
+project to start to bring how it can help and improve things.
+
+&gt;<i> I did run over and throw a few posts out just to help in filling the
+</I>&gt;<i> forums with some kruft and content so it can get going.
+</I>
+Just. Don't. Do. That.
+
+Better have a slowly taking forum with good content than cruft. Really.
+
+&gt;<i> frustrated that many of the things that appeared to be resolved on the
+</I>&gt;<i> list here were seemingly disregarded when it came time to implement, and
+</I>&gt;<i> simply arbitrarily taken on as a task by the 'council' and some
+</I>&gt;<i> 'founders' &#160;w/o input, approval, or direction from this team.
+</I>
+Wait. You seem to misunderstand how things are done so far and how we
+can improve them.
+
+That was not &quot;arbitrarily&quot; taken by the council/board, that was done
+as we used to do so far, without having a communication team/process
+in place; that is, with some hurry and difficulty to spread the useful
+info here and there before the release: that always happen like that,
+take that for _granted_; the only thing we can do is: improve.
+
+The goal of each team is _not_ to have a veto on how things go here
+and there. A potential veto could come from the Council, or the Board.
+Not much more. Of course, in the long term, we'd like to have the
+communication team take the hand for
+copywriting/proofreading/counselling and providing direction elements
+- but for that, a clear and working timeplan has to be set and
+followed by coordinated team members, and these have to be available
+when required, especially at release time.
+
+Someone is not available? So, unfortunately, she would have a hard
+time complaining because things did not go how she expected/planned
+them to. I know this can sound like nonsense if one comes from a
+corporate environment - but it's not the same environment here - no
+one is paid/ordered to contribute.
+
+As ennael pointed out, the team better focus on how to build tools and
+processes within the project, especially the release/communication
+plan for finale, and advocate for it in the Council and through the
+project (and &quot;advocating&quot; doesn't mean &quot;forcing/patronizing&quot;) and help
+everyone prepare to put this in motion.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+
+&gt;<i> &quot;USE THE WIKI&quot; Was NOT not appreciated, nor was it an acceptable
+</I>&gt;<i> answer!
+</I>
+What he said (but softer). (He's been up all night: cut him some
+slack.)
+
+We actually need to put in place right now those things that will be
+permanent:
+
+- a wiki/sandbox area for marcomm writings, including
+everything that is an official Mageia communication to the world
+- a CRM setup to
+ - collect and collate all marketing/comms contacts
+ - track all the contacts made, info sent out, press releases
+ issued...
+
+Now - do we go to Sysadmin for this? Who can we ask for assistance
+with design? Who can we ask for assistance with tweaking if it isn't
+quite right first up?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;USE THE WIKI&quot; Was NOT not appreciated, nor was it an acceptable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> answer!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What he said (but softer). (He's been up all night: cut him some
+</I>&gt;<i> slack.)
+</I>
+Yeah, I was up all night then slept a bit, now I'm soft enough :)
+
+&gt;<i> We actually need to put in place right now those things that will be
+</I>&gt;<i> permanent:
+</I>
+Yes, as some other teams have done already.
+
+&gt;<i> - a wiki/sandbox area for marcomm writings, including
+</I>&gt;<i> everything that is an official Mageia communication to the world
+</I>
+There my answer was: the existing wiki. It is temporarily but it has
+been said over and over again that the contents will be transferred
+when the final wiki is ready. I do not understand what is so
+unacceptable here.
+
+&gt;<i> - a CRM setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- collect and collate all marketing/comms contacts
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- track all the contacts made, info sent out, press releases
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;issued...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now - do we go to Sysadmin for this? Who can we ask for assistance
+</I>&gt;<i> with design? Who can we ask for assistance with tweaking if it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> quite right first up?
+</I>
+As Romain already explained and has been done by everybody else in
+need of something: ask the sysadmin team. They are in charge for this,
+they can (and they did) evaluate, discuss and implement what the teams
+need (example: transifex for the translators).
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 15:34, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;USE THE WIKI&quot; Was NOT not appreciated, nor was it an acceptable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> answer!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What he said (but softer). (He's been up all night: cut him some
+</I>&gt;<i> slack.)
+</I>
+Well, frankly, I'm concerned. :-/ Really.
+
+Marcomm team is no different from other teams - so no need to say
+&quot;it's unacceptable&quot;. Try harder understanding how to help to make what
+you want possible.
+
+&gt;<i> We actually need to put in place right now those things that will be
+</I>&gt;<i> permanent:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - a wiki/sandbox area for marcomm writings, including
+</I>&gt;<i> everything that is an official Mageia communication to the world
+</I>
+How doesn't <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/">http://mageia.org/wiki/</A> qualify for that?
+
+&gt;<i> - a CRM setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- collect and collate all marketing/comms contacts
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- track all the contacts made, info sent out, press releases
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;issued...
+</I>
+Questions:
+ * What, in a community project environment, is confidential in all
+this? (better have the most open and only some bits closed).
+ * And if there are confidential parts, who gets access to it?
+ * Do you know of a tool that just works for you? (be it google docs-like)
+
+&gt;<i> Now - do we go to Sysadmin for this?
+</I>
+Yes. But they will ask at least the same as above.
+
+&gt;<i> Who can we ask for assistance with design?
+</I>
+Graphic design? or software specs?
+
+&gt;<i> Who can we ask for assistance with tweaking if it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> quite right first up?
+</I>
+Someone in webteam (or crosspost to -discuss to if someone can take the hand).
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Wed, 06 Apr 2011, Patricia Fraser wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;USE THE WIKI&quot; Was NOT not appreciated, nor was it an acceptable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; answer!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What he said (but softer). (He's been up all night: cut him some
+</I>&gt;<i> slack.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We actually need to put in place right now those things that will be
+</I>&gt;<i> permanent:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - a wiki/sandbox area for marcomm writings, including
+</I>&gt;<i> everything that is an official Mageia communication to the world
+</I>&gt;<i> - a CRM setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> - collect and collate all marketing/comms contacts
+</I>&gt;<i> - track all the contacts made, info sent out, press releases
+</I>&gt;<i> issued...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now - do we go to Sysadmin for this? Who can we ask for assistance
+</I>&gt;<i> with design? Who can we ask for assistance with tweaking if it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> quite right first up?
+</I>
+For this, you can send an email on sysadmin mailing list with details
+about what is needed, suggestions about tools that can be installed,
+then we discuss how we can do it.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 14:26, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and we'll see if they actually act on it, or pass it by like the forum/email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list integration listed below as a priority a few months ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonsense. This has never been said as a priority (or find me a quote
+</I>&gt;<i> about that) but as a &quot;nice-to-have, provided someone stands up to
+</I>&gt;<i> properly integrate this in our setup&quot;. It did not happen.
+</I>
+As Bradley mentioned my name:
+I mentioned the gateway (set up by tux99 on an external server) as a
+good thing, gave the reasons. But I did not advocate it as a priority,
+just as a &quot;nice to have&quot;.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I did run over and throw a few posts out just to help in filling the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums with some kruft and content so it can get going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just. Don't. Do. That.
+</I>&gt;<i> Better have a slowly taking forum with good content than cruft. Really.
+</I>
+Yes. Filling jut for quantity has never been a good idea, not even in
+a stuffed turkey.
+
+In general:
+My perception of &quot;how things have been done&quot; is quite different from
+what Bradley writes. Everything has been discussed, decided, in
+public. If something was left out in the rain after discussion, the
+related people brought it back to attention of the
+board/council/sy&lt;sadmin/what-ever. There were too few people working
+on too many tasks - it's obvious that they must be reminded if things
+slip from their radar.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I'm conflating here - sort of answering everyone at once.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - a wiki/sandbox area for marcomm writings, including
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everything that is an official Mageia communication to the world
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There my answer was: the existing wiki. It is temporarily but it has
+</I>&gt;<i> been said over and over again that the contents will be transferred
+</I>&gt;<i> when the final wiki is ready. I do not understand what is so
+</I>&gt;<i> unacceptable here.
+</I>
+For sandboxing, maybe the wiki is okay; let us think on and discuss
+what exactly we need. If we can do it there, we'll set it up start of
+next week.
+
+I take it anyone with a login can set up new pages on the wiki okay -
+I haven't tried.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - a CRM setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- collect and collate all marketing/comms contacts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- track all the contacts made, info sent out, press
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; releases issued...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now - do we go to Sysadmin for this? Who can we ask for assistance
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with design? Who can we ask for assistance with tweaking if it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; isn't quite right first up?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Romain already explained and has been done by everybody else in
+</I>&gt;<i> need of something: ask the sysadmin team. They are in charge for
+</I>&gt;<i> this, they can (and they did) evaluate, discuss and implement what
+</I>&gt;<i> the teams need (example: transifex for the translators).
+</I>
+Okay; this sounds good.
+
+The things we need for marcomm are maybe a little different than for
+packagers/makers/translators; I dunno what they need. So long as
+Sysadmin can help us out with specs, it'll work.
+
+Onward and upward!
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+wo apr 6 15:56:33 CEST 2011
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+Let's try to move on from this...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; We've waited for about six months now as a team, and suddenly the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'council' is arbitrarily creating lists and contact points
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without input or direction, or researching what has already been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prepared and waiting on their actual formation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You must be kidding. There has been a regular, permanent marcomm'
+</I>&gt;<i> team in the past six months with regular meetings and actions?
+</I>
+Several of people who were energetically and joyfully working like
+crazy in Yorick's team have been around, I think (see their names on
+irc...) - just not sticking their heads up, because all the
+understanding seemed to be flowing in one direction. Some of the
+people who were writing and contributing lots have moved over to
+other teams - I was tempted to do that too.
+
+I guess what we can do now is show and tell, so all the community
+sees what marcomm is about - and we'll be looking for lots of board
+and council support to do just that.
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess what we can do now is show and tell, so all the community
+</I>&gt;<i> sees what marcomm is about - and we'll be looking for lots of board
+</I>&gt;<i> and council support to do just that.
+</I>
+You are the council, same as Romain and I and all other members. When
+you / your team need something, write it in the mailing list, put it
+on the agenda of the next meeting, or raise your voice in the meeting
+under topic &quot;Others&quot;. And keep bringing it up when it seems to be
+&quot;forgotten&quot;.
+
+I think the fundamental difference between marketing in a business
+environment and a community project is not so much the goals to
+achieve but the way of working. Here almost everything depends on your
+own initiative because nobody can order you to do something. If you
+want something you have to ask until you get it (or it is rejected
+because of valid reasons).
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>How can I help with translating the Mageia stuff into dutch.
+
+Greetz,
+
+Zwikkle
+
+Zwik
+2011/4/5 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing-request at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-marketing digest...&quot;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Re: Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release (Wolfgang Bornath)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:11:31 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia marketing team discussion list
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">BANLkTikpqmGfyCzQDdE66dFsDpw3KUruBw at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/4/5 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Comments inside:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks Wobo... now, you got any way of magicking up some more people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to do it? 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To do what?
+</I>&gt;<i> Translators and local spreaders are the same and they are ready to go.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 suikerstroop &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">suikerstroop at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I help with translating the Mageia stuff into dutch.
+</I>
+Pls contact remmy, the coordinator of the dutch team (see
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#dutch">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#dutch</A> ).
+He will give you a first overview.
+
+Thx for your interest,
+
+--
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-marketing%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-marketing%5D%20test%20days%20announce%20on%20the%20blog&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DXjbG%3D8hn1oqmSwgqSCsHXGG3%3DPw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Thu Apr 7 11:49:49 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+just notifying that Anne is going to push an announce for the test
+days on the blog after a first proofread (copy below).
+
+I suggest we create a blog account to Patricia so she can get a first
+eye there and see how we can improve on the copy/publishing process in
+the coming weeks up to the finale release - Patricia, could you mail
+me what email address you would prefer for this account?
+
+&quot;Mageia 1 beta 1 is just out and it's now time for tests. Let's
+improve quality of our favorite distro!
+
+2 test days are organized on 11th and 12th of April, focused on beta 1
+ISOs and following targets:
+
+ - list of included softwares in ISOs and repositories: file a bug if
+you see one missing and explain why we should add it;
+ - upgrade from Mandriva Linux 2010.1 and 2010.2: our target is to
+have easy upgrade for final release. Tests are really important.
+Please have a look on the upgrade test page;
+ - hardware detection: test your hardware configuration and report any
+bugs on it;
+ - installation process: use beta 1 ISOs to test Mageia installer
+following test process;
+ - asian locales and localisation in general.
+
+You will find all needed help on various Mageia media:
+ * development mailing-list;
+ * IRC: #mageia-dev on Freenode server;
+ * Mageia forums.&quot;
+
+
+
+Romain
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2011/4/7 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just notifying that Anne is going to push an announce for the test
+</I>&gt;<i> days on the blog after a first proofread (copy below).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we create a blog account to Patricia so she can get a first
+</I>&gt;<i> eye there and see how we can improve on the copy/publishing process in
+</I>&gt;<i> the coming weeks up to the finale release - Patricia, could you mail
+</I>&gt;<i> me what email address you would prefer for this account?
+</I>
+I'd prefer the whole proofread&amp;improvement done before a blog text is
+published because the minute after publishing there may already be
+people copying it to their localised pages.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> I'd prefer the whole proofread&amp;improvement done before a blog text is
+</I>&gt;<i> published because the minute after publishing there may already be
+</I>&gt;<i> people copying it to their localised pages.
+</I>
+That's why I attached the copy here - in case we can't corrections
+here before from our other proofreaders - and to somehow start a bit
+of a review here.
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+But nonetheless, the post must go live today, middle of afternoon preferably.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:00, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd prefer the whole proofread&amp;improvement done before a blog text is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> published because the minute after publishing there may already be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people copying it to their localised pages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why I attached the copy here - in case we can't corrections
+</I>&gt;<i> here before from our other proofreaders - and to somehow start a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> of a review here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But nonetheless, the post must go live today, middle of afternoon preferably.
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+I read the announcement and (put aside a few possible language
+mistakes) I found one main point:
+
+While IRC is ok for this, we should decide either ML or forum for
+these occasions. It does not help if the same &quot;bug&quot; is discussed in
+both platforms by different people. I know that we may get more people
+to test and report when using both platforms but it may result in
+doublettes. Even in three different discussions when somebody does not
+use forum nor ML but goes straight to Bugzilla.
+
+OTOH, if the &quot;Helpers&quot; for test day will be present in all platforms,
+then this issue is not there.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> While IRC is ok for this, we should decide either ML or forum for
+</I>&gt;<i> these occasions. It does not help if the same &quot;bug&quot; is discussed in
+</I>&gt;<i> both platforms by different people. I know that we may get more people
+</I>&gt;<i> to test and report when using both platforms but it may result in
+</I>&gt;<i> doublettes. Even in three different discussions when somebody does not
+</I>&gt;<i> use forum nor ML but goes straight to Bugzilla.
+</I>
+Well, I think we prefer to take the risk to have duplicates reported
+than none at all. There are people averse to either forums,
+mailing-lists or Bugzilla (and even more to each!) - and there will be
+some to make the bridge. :-)
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:15, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While IRC is ok for this, we should decide either ML or forum for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these occasions. It does not help if the same &quot;bug&quot; is discussed in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both platforms by different people. I know that we may get more people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to test and report when using both platforms but it may result in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doublettes. Even in three different discussions when somebody does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use forum nor ML but goes straight to Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I think we prefer to take the risk to have duplicates reported
+</I>&gt;<i> than none at all. There are people averse to either forums,
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing-lists or Bugzilla (and even more to each!) - and there will be
+</I>&gt;<i> some to make the bridge. :-)
+</I>
+Yes, sure. Hopefully :)
+
+--
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:49:49 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia marketing team discussion list
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;BANLkTi=XjbG=8hn1oqmSwgqSCsHXGG3=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Pw at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 test days are organized on 11th and 12th of April, focused on beta 1
+</I>&gt;<i> ISOs and following targets:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - list of included softwares in ISOs and repositories: file a bug if
+</I>&gt;<i> you see one missing and explain why we should add it;
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade from Mandriva Linux 2010.1 and 2010.2: our target is to
+</I>&gt;<i> have easy upgrade for final release. Tests are really important.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look on the upgrade test page;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I agree with the remark, that test are indeed important.
+I think it is important to let's choose, what kind of apps, software,
+packages people are like to use before
+asking them about partioning of the hard drive. To figure out what the best
+partition scheme is, is not the most easiest task.
+
+Further the functionality mass renaming should be added by the
+PCManfilemanager. The same functionality thunar in XFCE has.
+
+
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+Hi,
+
+&gt;<i> just notifying that Anne is going to push an announce for the test
+</I>&gt;<i> days on the blog after a first proofread (copy below).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we create a blog account to Patricia so she can get a first
+</I>&gt;<i> eye there and see how we can improve on the copy/publishing process in
+</I>&gt;<i> the coming weeks up to the finale release - Patricia, could you mail
+</I>&gt;<i> me what email address you would prefer for this account?
+</I>
+Great. This email is fine, thanks Romain.
+
+Fast proofread (second time around, grrr hotel wifi), no
+marketing/comms slant - just idiom and usage checking:
+
+-----
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia 1 beta 1 is just out and it's now time for tests. Let's
+</I>&gt;<i> improve quality of our favorite distro!
+</I>
+Mageia 1 Beta 1 is just out, and now it&#180;s time for testing. Let&#180;s
+improve the quality of our favourite distro!
+
+&gt;<i> 2 test days are organized on 11th and 12th of April, focused on beta 1
+</I>&gt;<i> ISOs and following targets:
+</I>
+ - We&#180;ve organised 2 testing days, on April 11th and 12th. We&#180;re testing
+the Beta 1 ISOs; please focus on these areas:
+
+&gt;<i> - list of included softwares in ISOs and repositories: file a bug if
+</I>&gt;<i> you see one missing and explain why we should add it;
+</I>
+ - The list of software packages included in the ISOs and the
+repositories: please file a bug report if you notice that a package is
+missing, and include an explanation of why we should include it;
+
+&gt;<i> - upgrade from Mandriva Linux 2010.1 and 2010.2: our target is to
+</I>&gt;<i> have easy upgrade for final release. Tests are really important.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look on the upgrade test page;
+</I>
+ - Upgrading from Mandriva Linux 2010.1 and 2010.2: we want to have an
+ easy upgrade from these Mandriva releases to Mageia 1 Final Release,
+ so these tests are really important. Please have a look on the
+ upgrade test page (include link here) for more information;
+
+&gt;<i> - hardware detection: test your hardware configuration and report any
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs on it;
+</I>
+ - Hardware detection: please test your hardware configuration, and
+ file a bug report for any problems you encounter;
+
+&gt;<i> - installation process: use beta 1 ISOs to test Mageia installer
+</I>&gt;<i> following test process;
+</I>
+ - The installation process: please test the Mageia installer from the
+ Beta 1 ISOs and file a bug report for any problems you encounter;
+
+&gt;<i> - asian locales and localisation in general.
+</I>
+ - Asian locales, and localisation in general: please file a bug report
+ for any problems you encounter with localisation.
+
+
+&gt;<i> You will find all needed help on various Mageia media:
+</I>&gt;<i> * development mailing-list;
+</I>&gt;<i> * IRC: #mageia-dev on Freenode server;
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia forums.&quot;
+</I>
+Help with testing and reporting bugs can be found here:
+
+ * The development mailing list (include link here);
+ * The #mageia-dev IRC channel on Freenode;
+ * The Mageia Forums (include link here).
+
+ -----
+
+
+Comments and suggestions welcome!
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:00, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd prefer the whole proofread&amp;improvement done before a blog text
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is published because the minute after publishing there may already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be people copying it to their localised pages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why I attached the copy here - in case we can't corrections
+</I>&gt;<i> here before from our other proofreaders - and to somehow start a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> of a review here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But nonetheless, the post must go live today, middle of afternoon
+</I>&gt;<i> preferably.
+</I>
+Sorry - I sent my proof off before I saw this, but hopefully there&#180;ll
+be a bit more notice next time - even 24 hours would be good.
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+--
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+
+
+&gt;<i> I agree with the remark, that test are indeed important.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is important to let's choose, what kind of apps, software,
+</I>&gt;<i> packages people are like to use before
+</I>&gt;<i> asking them about partioning of the hard drive. To figure out what
+</I>&gt;<i> the best partition scheme is, is not the most easiest task.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Further the functionality mass renaming should be added by the
+</I>&gt;<i> PCManfilemanager. The same functionality thunar in XFCE has.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Zwikkle
+</I>
+
+This is really not the he best place for this report - the devel list
+would be better. Nothing is going to happen as a result of
+bugreports/wish lists sent to the marketing list.
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 00:56, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:00, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry - I sent my proof off before I saw this, but hopefully there&#180;ll
+</I>&gt;<i> be a bit more notice next time - even 24 hours would be good.
+</I>
+I updated slightly the blog post following your corrections, but some
+proofread had been done as wll in the meantime (ahmad or colin, not
+sure).
+
+We have to lay out a retro-planning for the release of every ISO (and
+even more for finale) and other things) because, yes, unless we have
+one, we always will be tied to the very last minute and that sucks for
+coordination.
+
+Other than that, all we have is what is on the calendar and what gets
+hinted on -discuss (for instance, next week, the WebWorkersCamp where
+we have a keynote slot, and in May, LinuxTag and Solutions Linux
+events).
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2011/4/8 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 00:56, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:00, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry - I sent my proof off before I saw this, but hopefully there&#180;ll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be a bit more notice next time - even 24 hours would be good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I updated slightly the blog post following your corrections, but some
+</I>&gt;<i> proofread had been done as wll in the meantime (ahmad or colin, not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure).
+</I>
+May I correct the mistake in the last sentence?
+&quot;Thanks for advance for your contributions&quot;
+
+Correct is &quot;in advance&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/4/8 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 00:56, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:00, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry - I sent my proof off before I saw this, but hopefully there&#180;ll
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be a bit more notice next time - even 24 hours would be good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I updated slightly the blog post following your corrections, but some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proofread had been done as wll in the meantime (ahmad or colin, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May I correct the mistake in the last sentence?
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Thanks for advance for your contributions&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correct is &quot;in advance&quot;.
+</I>
+Done. Thanks wobo
+
+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I just received the hall plan for Linuxtag 2011.
+
+We are located at Hall 7.2b, Stand # 115
+(for those who know it, its the usual place we know from previous
+years, just not the first but the second exhibition hall).
+
+Our stand (for both, MU.de and Mageia) is 14m&#178;, 4.50m front, 3m deep.
+We are located at one of the main passways, between Free/NetBSD and
+the large stand of Linux New Media.
+
+I will update the wiki page about Linuxtag with a section of the floor
+plan, information about stand personnel and material which is already
+available.
+
+--
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+ <B>suikerstroop</B>
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+<PRE> 2. Re: Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of
+&gt;<i> Mageia (Patricia Fraser)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Re: test days announce on the blog (Romain d'Alverny)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Re: test days announce on the blog (Wolfgang Bornath)
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Re: test days announce on the blog (Anne nicolas)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 01:05:42 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue
+</I>&gt;<i> 13; installation of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">20110408010542.00003175 at unknown</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;us-ascii&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Zwikkle,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree with the remark, that test are indeed important.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it is important to let's choose, what kind of apps, software,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages people are like to use before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; asking them about partioning of the hard drive. To figure out what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the best partition scheme is, is not the most easiest task.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Further the functionality mass renaming should be added by the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PCManfilemanager. The same functionality thunar in XFCE has.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Zwikkle
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is really not the he best place for this report - the devel list
+</I>&gt;<i> would be better. Nothing is going to happen as a result of
+</I>&gt;<i> bugreports/wish lists sent to the marketing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How can I reach the devel list. I am not a developer. I am interested in
+good package selection. I am interested which packages will
+be selected in the standard installation. What will be the release cycle of
+Mageia. How long will the first stable release of Mageia be supported by
+updates.
+
+Further I like to know what kind of promotion material is available for the
+spread of Mageia. What kind of adds the Mageia marketing team is intended to
+place in magazines. What kind of atomosphere would Mageia like to show to
+people. Personally, I am thinking of the slogan: &quot;Get inspired at Mageian
+way.&quot; Mageia should be something to inspire individual people and
+organisations.
+
+greetz,
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 01:05:42 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is really not the he best place for this report - the devel list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be better. Nothing is going to happen as a result of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bugreports/wish lists sent to the marketing list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can I reach the devel list. I am not a developer. I am interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> good package selection. I am interested which packages will
+</I>&gt;<i> be selected in the standard installation.&#160;What will be the release cycle of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia. How long will the first stable release of Mageia be supported by
+</I>&gt;<i> updates.
+</I>
+These are all different questions. There are several options for you:
+
+ - read or even subscribe to the mailing lists which are related (-dev
+in this case), you will find a link to the mailing lists on our web
+portal.
+
+ - go to the Mageia forums <A HREF="http://forums.mageia.org">http://forums.mageia.org</A> (actually your
+questions have already been asked there and answered as well)
+
+&gt;<i> Further I like to know what kind of promotion material is available for the
+</I>&gt;<i> spread of Mageia. What kind of adds the Mageia marketing team is intended to
+</I>&gt;<i> place in magazines. What kind of atomosphere would Mageia like to show to
+</I>&gt;<i> people. Personally, I am thinking of the slogan: &quot;Get inspired&#160;at Mageian
+</I>&gt;<i> way.&quot; Mageia should be something to inspire individual people and
+</I>&gt;<i> organisations.
+</I>
+This is surely something which will be discussed here and your ideas
+and suggestions are welcome.
+
+BTW: I like the proposed slogan, just correct the wording: &quot;Get
+inspired by the Mageian way&quot; :)
+
+--
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand">molch.b at googlemail.com
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+</I>&gt;<i> I will update the wiki page about Linuxtag with a section of the floor
+</I>&gt;<i> plan, information about stand personnel and material which is already
+</I>&gt;<i> available.
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:linuxtag_2011">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:linuxtag_2011</A>
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+<PRE>Hello artwork and marketing team,
+
+For a lot of incoming events, Mageia.Org will have a kakemono to spread
+Mageia to people on events booths. For this kakemono, I need a file with
+the following requirements:
+- PDF file.
+- 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+- something easy to read and easy to understand to explain Mageia.Org
+and Mageia.
+- something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming years.
+
+Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Damien Lallement
+aka &quot;damsweb&quot; or &quot;coincoin&quot; on IRC and twitter
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Damien,
+
+&gt;<i> For a lot of incoming events, Mageia.Org will have a kakemono to spread
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia to people on events booths. For this kakemono, I need a file with
+</I>&gt;<i> the following requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> - PDF file.
+</I>&gt;<i> - 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+</I>&gt;<i> - something easy to read and easy to understand to explain Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> - something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+</I>
+Just a question: is the hanging part of the kakemono to be an extension
+wrapped around a cross-bar, or do you want to use something like eyelets
+in the fabric - or a roll-up banner on a stand? It makes a difference to
+the overall length of the pdf, and whether you want the background colour
+to continue further.
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Patricia Fraser
+on the move
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>
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+<PRE>I designed my own alfabet. These are SVG-files. Where can I upload my files.
+Perhaps I can make them up in the right text and
+transform them into PDF.
+
+Greetz Zwikkle
+
+2011/4/11 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing-request at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1. PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono (Damien Lallement)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:12:11 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-artwork at mageia.org</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">4DA2B7DB.9060304 at damsweb.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello artwork and marketing team,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a lot of incoming events, Mageia.Org will have a kakemono to spread
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia to people on events booths. For this kakemono, I need a file with
+</I>&gt;<i> the following requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> - PDF file.
+</I>&gt;<i> - 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+</I>&gt;<i> - something easy to read and easy to understand to explain Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> - something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Damien Lallement
+</I>&gt;<i> aka &quot;damsweb&quot; or &quot;coincoin&quot; on IRC and twitter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Zwikkle,
+
+&gt;<i> I designed my own alfabet. These are SVG-files. Where can I upload
+</I>&gt;<i> my files. Perhaps I can make them up in the right text and
+</I>&gt;<i> transform them into PDF.
+</I>
+If you have artwork, you need to contact the artwork team - details
+are here:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start#teams">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start#teams</A>
+
+On each team page you'll find info about the mailing list, the IRC
+channel and also possibly IRC meeting times.
+
+Artwork uploads and contributions go to the artwork team.
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
+52.4161N,16.9303E
+ma apr 11 20:26:14 CEST 2011
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+in the past months/weeks, a few initiatives were drafted here in Paris
+to help people working in the community to be interviewed,
+broadcasted, shown (if they want to) to promote/advocate community
+activity.
+
+So here are they, to be discussed/reworked/rejected if necessary:
+
+ * <A HREF="http://bonjourmageia.fr">http://bonjourmageia.fr</A> - goal is to show the regular activity or
+people working in the project - it's a daily gallery: one day, one
+focus on someone, something with an optional very short story and/or
+link for further info - it's almost a meme here in France, and there
+are certainly equivalents in other locales/places (see examples:
+<A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/">http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/</A> - <A HREF="http://www.bonjourponey.fr/">http://www.bonjourponey.fr/</A> -
+<A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechien.com/">http://www.bonjourlechien.com/</A> and <A HREF="http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/">http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/</A> that
+is of course more suited to what we had in mind. Status: not set,
+needs daily photo updates, with at least one month planned in advance,
+regular editorial maintainance expected, needs someone and a go.
+
+ * hugs.mageia.org - goal is to promote respect, friendship and fun
+within the project - would any conversation turn not so well, this
+would be the occasional, more friendly alternative - it's next to
+absurd and sensible, that's the fun part of it - it's a very
+short/small page, publishing a _random_ &quot;free hugs&quot;-like photo of
+actual Mageia contributors - with of course the possibility to grow
+the photos set. Status: not set, production mockup ready, very low
+maintainance, just needs a go.
+
+ * people profiles - goal is to allow (not force) any user having a
+Mageia account, to have a profile page with her
+profile/activities/roles/teams/updates within the project. Status: not
+set, not thoroughly discussed, would need further development, needs a
+discussion/go first.
+
+
+Advice?
+
+Romain
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+i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a coherent growth
+of the project, both in the &quot;hard&quot; side and in the &quot;soft&quot; side of it.
+
+At this stage i need:
+
+- a report for each team
+
+* It should contain current manpower, level (and trend) of activities, current
+tasks, available infos and statistics.
+* if possibile it's better if made by the team leader (naturally he can share
+all the members toughts)
+* about &quot;sensitive data&quot;: is better to send an e-mail directely to my e-mail
+adress (this)
+
+- proposals to be added in the marketing plan
+
+They should contain ideas about:
+ * Vision (which needs mageia project should satisfy in a long-term
+horizont?)
+ * Mission (how can be satisfied these long-term needs in a mid-term
+horizont?)
+ * possible strategies (what can be done to satisfy these mid-term needs?)
+ * action plan (which aspects should be improved in a short term horizont?)
+ * threats and opportunities of the project
+
+
+Please, try to be short and precise. i'm waiting your inputs!
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+______________________
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2011/4/13 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi
+
+Thanks for your enthousiasm. But before mailing all mailing-lists on
+earth you should not forget you are working in a community project.
+You cannot decide in one way such things. Please check first with
+marketing team, they are looking for volunteers to work with but in a
+collaborative way.
+
+
+Thanks for advance
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a coherent growth
+</I>&gt;<i> of the project, both in the &quot;hard&quot; &#160;side and in the &quot;soft&quot; side of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At this stage i need:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - a report for each team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * It should contain current manpower, level (and trend) of activities, current
+</I>&gt;<i> tasks, available infos and statistics.
+</I>&gt;<i> * if possibile it's better if made by the team leader (naturally he can share
+</I>&gt;<i> all the members toughts)
+</I>&gt;<i> * about &quot;sensitive data&quot;: &#160;is better to send an e-mail directely to my e-mail
+</I>&gt;<i> adress (this)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - proposals to be added in the marketing plan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They should contain ideas about:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* &#160;Vision (which needs mageia project should satisfy in a long-term
+</I>&gt;<i> horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* &#160;Mission (how can be satisfied these long-term needs in a mid-term
+</I>&gt;<i> horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* &#160;possible strategies (what can be done to satisfy these mid-term needs?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* &#160;action plan (which aspects should be improved in a short term horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* &#160;threats and opportunities of the project
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, try to be short and precise. i'm waiting your inputs!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> ______________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Marketing Team - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello!
+
+&gt;<i> i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a
+</I>&gt;<i> coherent growth of the project, both in the &quot;hard&quot; side and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;soft&quot; side of it.
+</I>
+Great to see you back! We've missed you!
+
+I'm just about to set up an area off the team page on the temporary
+wiki, for us to sandbox stuff just like this.
+
+When we develop ideas that will be used officially by Mageia, we need
+to do three steps:
+
+- find out what's actually needed and wanted, and in what order;
+- brainstorm on the wiki and produce it (often in collaboration with
+ the artwork team;
+- put it up for comment by the council and teams (to make sure we're
+ expressing what they want expressed
+
+Then we can have a final version (which might still evolve over time).
+
+I'll post a link to this list for the sandbox in a little while; then
+we can start gathering our to-do list.
+
+Some things that jump to mind: see Romain's earlier email for
+some current stuff; we also have preparation to do for the
+announcements for Mageia 1 Final; we should also put together our
+input into the way the website will look, and what text we need to
+provide for that.
+
+These things aren't perhaps so visionary as your suggestions, but we
+do need them very soon! I hope our marketing visions can evolve from
+these, with lots of community input, as we do things in the next few
+weeks.
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+wo apr 13 21:29:33 CEST 2011
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+We now have a space ready for our brainstorming and deathless prose.
+
+From the Marketing page on the wiki -
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A>
+
+the third main item down discusses the Sandbox, and links to it. Get
+registered, and start a topic page on the Sandbox page, and let's
+hear from you!
+
+I'll update the hot topics/current work list in a moment - those are
+the things we need to get started on right away.
+
+We should probably also copy across the content from Graham's wiki -
+is someone up for that please?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Romain,
+
+&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://bonjourmageia.fr">http://bonjourmageia.fr</A> - goal is to show the regular activity or
+</I>&gt;<i> people working in the project - it's a daily gallery: one day, one
+</I>&gt;<i> focus on someone, something with an optional very short story and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> link for further info - it's almost a meme here in France, and there
+</I>&gt;<i> are certainly equivalents in other locales/places (see examples:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/">http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/</A> - <A HREF="http://www.bonjourponey.fr/">http://www.bonjourponey.fr/</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechien.com/">http://www.bonjourlechien.com/</A> and <A HREF="http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/">http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> that is of course more suited to what we had in mind. Status: not
+</I>&gt;<i> set, needs daily photo updates, with at least one month planned in
+</I>&gt;<i> advance, regular editorial maintainance expected, needs someone and
+</I>&gt;<i> a go.
+</I>
+I like this a lot. How do the contributions happen? Do we ask
+community members to write stuff up/provide photos? This team is kind
+of thin on the ground for doing something of this size, at the
+moment, but it remains a good idea all the same.
+
+&gt;<i> * hugs.mageia.org - goal is to promote respect, friendship and fun
+</I>&gt;<i> within the project - would any conversation turn not so well, this
+</I>&gt;<i> would be the occasional, more friendly alternative - it's next to
+</I>&gt;<i> absurd and sensible, that's the fun part of it - it's a very
+</I>&gt;<i> short/small page, publishing a _random_ &quot;free hugs&quot;-like photo of
+</I>&gt;<i> actual Mageia contributors - with of course the possibility to grow
+</I>&gt;<i> the photos set. Status: not set, production mockup ready, very low
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainance, just needs a go.
+</I>
+Do you have any examples of what this might look like?
+
+&gt;<i> * people profiles - goal is to allow (not force) any user having a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia account, to have a profile page with her
+</I>&gt;<i> profile/activities/roles/teams/updates within the project. Status:
+</I>&gt;<i> not set, not thoroughly discussed, would need further development,
+</I>&gt;<i> needs a discussion/go first.
+</I>
+I like this one too - I'd especially like to see board/council people
+having profiles, but it would be great to have user profile pages,
+team members and so on.
+
+Looking forward to reading others' ideas on this.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi Damien,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For a lot of incoming events, Mageia.Org will have a kakemono to spread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia to people on events booths. For this kakemono, I need a file with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the following requirements:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - PDF file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - something easy to read and easy to understand to explain Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming years.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a question: is the hanging part of the kakemono to be an extension
+</I>&gt;<i> wrapped around a cross-bar, or do you want to use something like eyelets
+</I>&gt;<i> in the fabric - or a roll-up banner on a stand? It makes a difference to
+</I>&gt;<i> the overall length of the pdf, and whether you want the background colour
+</I>&gt;<i> to continue further.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+Oops, you're right Patricia,
+
+Thank you for the question. :-)
+It's roll-up kakemono, see <A HREF="http://www.france-banderole.com/kakemonos/">http://www.france-banderole.com/kakemonos/</A>
+You can choose the type in the form to have a preview of it.
+
+If no answer before the deadline, I will just do a cover with eyelets to
+put it on a wall or on a table.
+
+Cheers,
+--
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+&gt;<i> Le 11/04/2011 14:32, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Damien,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For a lot of incoming events, Mageia.Org will have a kakemono to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; spread Mageia to people on events booths. For this kakemono, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; need a file with the following requirements:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - PDF file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - something easy to read and easy to understand to explain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; years.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just a question: is the hanging part of the kakemono to be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; extension wrapped around a cross-bar, or do you want to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something like eyelets in the fabric - or a roll-up banner on a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stand? It makes a difference to the overall length of the pdf,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and whether you want the background colour to continue further.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oops, you're right Patricia,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for the question. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> It's roll-up kakemono, see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.france-banderole.com/kakemonos/">http://www.france-banderole.com/kakemonos/</A> You can choose the type
+</I>&gt;<i> in the form to have a preview of it.
+</I>
+Cool - I know about those. We can ask artwork about graphics for it,
+and do the text.
+
+&gt;<i> If no answer before the deadline, I will just do a cover with
+</I>&gt;<i> eyelets to put it on a wall or on a table.
+</I>
+No problems!
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 21:56, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://bonjourmageia.fr">http://bonjourmageia.fr</A> - goal is to show the regular activity or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people working in the project - it's a daily gallery: one day, one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> focus on someone, something with an optional very short story and/or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> link for further info - it's almost a meme here in France, and there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are certainly equivalents in other locales/places (see examples:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/">http://www.bonjourlechat.fr/</A> - <A HREF="http://www.bonjourponey.fr/">http://www.bonjourponey.fr/</A> -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bonjourlechien.com/">http://www.bonjourlechien.com/</A> and <A HREF="http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/">http://www.bonjourmozilla.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that is of course more suited to what we had in mind. Status: not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> set, needs daily photo updates, with at least one month planned in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> advance, regular editorial maintainance expected, needs someone and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a go.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like this a lot. How do the contributions happen?
+</I>
+Ideally, there are 1/2 persons in charge of gathering/editing stuff.
+So everything should go to these - we could automate (make a form to
+help people submit stuff) but first, having the thing rolling would
+help see the needs.
+
+&gt;<i> Do we ask community members to write stuff up/provide photos?
+</I>
+Yes. And we can plan in advance/automate the publication when we have
+enough of these*. The focus is primarily really on the picture and
+short context presentation - but we may add some more if there's more
+available (link to blog interview post, podcast, anything).
+
+* counting founders, contributors, I think we can project at least for
+80 days, provided we secure a photo for each. Counting donators or
+potential news/events, we can project much more.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> * hugs.mageia.org - goal is to promote respect, friendship and fun
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> within the project - would any conversation turn not so well, this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be the occasional, more friendly alternative - it's next to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> absurd and sensible, that's the fun part of it - it's a very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> short/small page, publishing a _random_ &quot;free hugs&quot;-like photo of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actual Mageia contributors - with of course the possibility to grow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the photos set. Status: not set, production mockup ready, very low
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainance, just needs a go.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have any examples of what this might look like?
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/220925/Image%2049.png">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/220925/Image%2049.png</A>
+
+I only have a Paddington photo set for now :-p but more to come expected.
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a coherent
+</I>growth
+&gt;<i> of the project, both in the &quot;hard&quot; side and in the &quot;soft&quot; side of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At this stage i need:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - a report for each team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * It should contain current manpower, level (and trend) of activities,
+</I>current
+&gt;<i> tasks, available infos and statistics.
+</I>&gt;<i> * if possibile it's better if made by the team leader (naturally he can
+</I>share
+&gt;<i> all the members toughts)
+</I>&gt;<i> * about &quot;sensitive data&quot;: is better to send an e-mail directely to my e-
+</I>mail
+&gt;<i> adress (this)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - proposals to be added in the marketing plan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They should contain ideas about:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Vision (which needs mageia project should satisfy in a long-term
+</I>&gt;<i> horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mission (how can be satisfied these long-term needs in a mid-term
+</I>&gt;<i> horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * possible strategies (what can be done to satisfy these mid-term needs?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * action plan (which aspects should be improved in a short term horizont?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * threats and opportunities of the project
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, try to be short and precise. i'm waiting your inputs!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> ______________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Marketing Team - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Patricia set up in the marketing wiki page:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A>
+
+an appropriate space to share your ideas and proposals, partecipating in the
+mageia marketing plan is as easy as logging in in the wiki : )
+
+here is it the link:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing#sandbox_for_developing_marketing_comms_ideas_texts_and_input">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing#sandbox_for_developing_marketing_comms_ideas_texts_and_input</A>
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+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+
+I won't make the meeting by 16:00 UTC today - I won't be at a computer to
+get online until around 17:00 UTC. I'll look in on #mageia-marcom then,
+and hope to see some people there!
+
+If it's the time that's making a problem with getting together on IRC,
+speak up - it can be moved to suit us.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+&gt;<i> Patricia set up in the marketing wiki page:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A>
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+I don't think it's quite time to cross-post this - let's get some
+action going here in the marketing team to start with!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi Marcello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patricia set up in the marketing wiki page:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it's quite time to cross-post this - let's get some
+</I>&gt;<i> action going here in the marketing team to start with!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i've crossed-post this overall because our team has lost many contributors
+since its start, i've taken the opportunity to promote our team in order to
+have more contributors... anyway this coming week i'm available and we can put
+in the marketing plan some good stuff to deal with : )
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi Marcello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; coherent growth of the project, both in the &quot;hard&quot; side and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;soft&quot; side of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great to see you back! We've missed you!
+</I>
+thanks, you too : ) finally i'm graduated in economics, i'm really happy! : P
+
+
+&gt;<i> When we develop ideas that will be used officially by Mageia, we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to do three steps:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - find out what's actually needed and wanted, and in what order;
+</I>&gt;<i> - brainstorm on the wiki and produce it (often in collaboration with
+</I>&gt;<i> the artwork team;
+</I>&gt;<i> - put it up for comment by the council and teams (to make sure we're
+</I>&gt;<i> expressing what they want expressed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+perfect, i think we can use this wiki page to define each point and then unify
+the various results:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+
+&gt;<i> Then we can have a final version (which might still evolve over time).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some things that jump to mind: see Romain's earlier email for
+</I>&gt;<i> some current stuff; we also have preparation to do for the
+</I>&gt;<i> announcements for Mageia 1 Final; we should also put together our
+</I>&gt;<i> input into the way the website will look, and what text we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> provide for that.
+</I>
+i've taken all these e-mails, these days i'm busy because i'm organizing the
+party, from monday on i will read and create some contents, to discuss with
+you (maybe in the final phase we can plan also a chat meeting, even if i'm a
+little unlucky with these : )
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These things aren't perhaps so visionary as your suggestions, but we
+</I>&gt;<i> do need them very soon! I hope our marketing visions can evolve from
+</I>&gt;<i> these, with lots of community input, as we do things in the next few
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks.
+</I>
+surely they are really important, but do not forget that a coherent marketing
+plan is really needed because any action assume a vision behind it (e.g.
+messages to be inserted in the installer: which target? which meanings we want
+to communicate?)
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello,
+
+&gt;<i> i've crossed-post this overall because our team has lost many
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors since its start, i've taken the opportunity to promote
+</I>&gt;<i> our team in order to have more contributors... anyway this coming
+</I>&gt;<i> week i'm available and we can put in the marketing plan some good
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff to deal with : )
+</I>
+Brilliant. Let me know when you're available for irc chat!
+
+Cheers,
+
+
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Damien,
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - PDF file.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - 80 cm x 200 cm for the visual (this size exactly!).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - something easy to read and easy to understand to explain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia.Org and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - something quite generic to be easily reusable in the coming
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; years.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please send your proposals by replying to this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Deadline for the PDF is: Monday the 18th of April.
+</I>
+I'm getting no response from Artwork on this, so I suggest we use
+some of the background artwork from the install; see alexn83's
+photostream - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/</A> - to get a
+look at some of the ideas.
+
+Alex, if you're reading this, can you please look at mocking
+something up fast for Damien? He needs this by tomorrow to get the
+kakemono printed in time.
+
+Generic text suggestion #1:
+
+-----
+
+Mageia. Always becoming...
+
+a vibrant, collaborative Community of Innovation
+powerful, reliable technologies by and for our greatest asset -
+ people
+a functional, appealing FOSS platform for the widest range
+ of users
+
+-----
+
+This is derived from our work to date on the Mageia vision statement
+- so any assistance we can get in refining it would be good!
+
+Anyone who has any other ideas on text for Damien's roll-up, please
+speak up NOW...
+
+Cheers!
+
+--
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+<PRE>Event is coming nearer. I already did most of the pre-event
+organisation, including setting up a wiki page with all current
+information (including floor plan and stand layout):
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:linuxtag_2011">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:linuxtag_2011</A>
+
+Needed things:
+
+ - stickers or any other marketing material (t-shirts will be there)
+ - Mageia presentation, which will run as an eye catcher on a 26&quot; screen.
+ - anything else you can think of.
+
+About the presentation:
+ - I can do it in German but I'd prefer an initial layout which may be
+used by other languages as well.
+ - If you are planning such a thing in French for Solution Linux, pls
+share it with us.
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+just a quick note for information, in case it can be reused somehow.
+
+Anne, Damien, Nicolas, Arnaud and me went to WebWorkersCamp in Paris
+past Friday/Saturday, and I did a presentation about Mageia, in this
+context (BarCamp, centered around new/edgy Web technologies).
+
+Most of the audience was made of Web professionals and developers -
+that did not hear about Mageia before (but were aware of the Linux
+ecosystem in general).
+
+Briefly (because the slides were in French and did not hold all of the
+speech), that was done in three parts:
+
+ 1. what is Mageia? and what happened since past September
+ - project/distribution/association
+ - #1 goal was to give control of the project to the community/governance
+ - history of 7 past months
+ - coming months (final release, brainstorming)
+
+ 2. why should you be interest in it? (as a Web dev)
+ - focus in the project to help developers and contributors (tools,
+resources, mentoring)
+ - technology stacks available and their integration status (perl,
+ruby, python, php, others) - packaging of package managers (cpan, gem,
+rvm, npm, pear/pecl, etc).
+ - small project, lots of things to do, room to invest yourself and
+have an impact
+ - straightforward governance model
+ - friendly community, humane project
+
+ 3. (asking the audience) questions? what is missing for you in
+existing OS stacks? what could be done? (Q/A part of the speech
+actually); so questions were (from memory):
+ q. why yet another distribution? what will be success like for
+you? what difference? when?
+ =&gt; explained the first need to move the project into different
+hands/governance - and that fragmentation is not a bad thing, or
+something to fear, as long as one differentiate enough from others, to
+explore different paths - paths to actually be defined _after_ Mageia
+1, during the brainstorming session - so this answer was far from
+convincing, of course.
+
+ q. how many downloads/users have you already? and compared to Mandriva?
+ =&gt; very difficult figure to get in general; however, last
+year, MDV could count about 3M users, all versions included; for
+Mageia, we can't count users yet, our finale is not yet released - but
+we've experienced about 60k downloads for alpha2/beta1 and we expect
+to aim for 1M downloads for Mageia 1 over the year.
+
+ q. speaking of packaging package managers, what is it about actually?
+ =&gt; tricky topic to discuss like that actually - took the
+example of properly packaged (or not) typical PHP Web app (with Pear
+library dependencies) or gems packaging - mostly only explained the
+problem, depending on one's view (being a developer or being a
+packager/sysadmin) and the need to find something satisfying for
+everyone. Hinted about devops current movement, but with no practical,
+generic solution yet.
+
+That was it. Apart from my preparation and speaking-skills to improve,
+people seemed interested by the presentation (at least, those that
+gave some feedback).
+
+Here you are.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about:
+ - what developers can find in Mageia (technology stacks that suit them)
+ - what users can find in Mageia (tools that help them)
+ - what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real
+world out there)
+ - what people can do for Mageia (contributors, in what, how and where).
+
+Those both to show what is in, and get feedback about what could be in.
+
+That would be a long series and the start would be with the technology
+stacks (perl, python, ruby, php, etc.) in the form of some global
+overview and one-on-one interviews with involved packagers/developers.
+
+All in all, that would make 4 categories, and maybe need 4 distinct
+persons to manage each category. In the best case scenario, we would
+post 2 per week. In the worst, 1 every two weeks. And for that we
+could use bonjourmageia.fr as a distinct mean to lead people to the
+blog post.
+
+Advice? I can start a draft for the whole structure to announce this,
+and have a first post designed for Perl with J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin (who
+packages most, if not all of it).
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+&gt;<i> In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+</I>&gt;<i> worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what developers can find in Mageia (technology stacks that suit them)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what users can find in Mageia (tools that help them)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real
+</I>&gt;<i> world out there)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- what people can do for Mageia (contributors, in what, how and where).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those both to show what is in, and get feedback about what could be in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be a long series and the start would be with the technology
+</I>&gt;<i> stacks (perl, python, ruby, php, etc.) in the form of some global
+</I>&gt;<i> overview and one-on-one interviews with involved packagers/developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All in all, that would make 4 categories, and maybe need 4 distinct
+</I>&gt;<i> persons to manage each category. In the best case scenario, we would
+</I>&gt;<i> post 2 per week. In the worst, 1 every two weeks. And for that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could use bonjourmageia.fr as a distinct mean to lead people to the
+</I>&gt;<i> blog post.
+</I>
+You have a great idea (the series of blog posts, showcasing Mageia's
+benefits for several different groups). The blog page is surely one
+way to post that series but blog posts are very short lived animals if
+there is no central pointer to them. So far I agree.
+
+But then again you hide that pointer away in some web page which
+people will find only by chance. Even if this &quot;bonjourmageia.fr&quot; would
+be linked on the portal page of Mageia people would not recognize it
+as a pointer to such valuable documents. What does &quot;bonjourmageia&quot;
+mean to the people who arrive at mageia.org? First guess: some page
+for the Frenchies because it's a French name. Second guess (of those
+who understand &quot;bonjour&quot;): Ok, some page showing the Mageia people who
+want to say &quot;Bonjour&quot; to me. Not the real goal of the page, is it?
+
+This showcase of possible benefits can be a series of blog posts but
+not hidden where people would not find it. Why not put links on the
+portal page where it says &quot;Mageia's benefits for You ...&quot; then
+followed by &quot;... if you are a developper&quot; and &quot;... if you are a user
+of the Mageia distribution.&quot;
+
+--
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:39, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/4/18 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about: [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You have a great idea (the series of blog posts, showcasing Mageia's
+</I>&gt;<i> benefits for several different groups). The blog page is surely one
+</I>&gt;<i> way to post that series but blog posts are very short lived animals if
+</I>&gt;<i> there is no central pointer to them. So far I agree.
+</I>
+Cool :-p
+
+&gt;<i> But then again you hide that pointer away in some web page which
+</I>&gt;<i> people will find only by chance. Even if this &quot;bonjourmageia.fr&quot; would
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+I intend to do that on the blog first. Then advertise from anywhere
+relevant, of course - if it gets to volume or interesting enough, we
+may even later open dedicated sections in the website, to tweak the
+articles design even further (but that's really for later).
+
+bonjourmageia.fr is in no way meant to be the single entry point, but
+one among others, by accident - I noticed it in relation to my
+previous post (past week).
+
+bonjourmageia.fr would indeed only matter to French-speaking people,
+and show, each time, a photo of someone or some event, and link
+somewhere, if there is something to link to (like, a blog post). So
+there would not be necessarily a 1-1 relation between bonjourmageia.fr
+and these series. bonjour*.fr is typically a French meme here and it
+would be used as such. Now, there may be, or not, equivalent memes in
+other locales, I don't know (didn't find so far).
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2011/4/18 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 17:39, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/18 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about: [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You have a great idea (the series of blog posts, showcasing Mageia's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> benefits for several different groups). The blog page is surely one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way to post that series but blog posts are very short lived animals if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is no central pointer to them. So far I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But then again you hide that pointer away in some web page which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people will find only by chance. Even if this &quot;bonjourmageia.fr&quot; would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I intend to do that on the blog first. Then advertise from anywhere
+</I>&gt;<i> relevant, of course - if it gets to volume or interesting enough, we
+</I>&gt;<i> may even later open dedicated sections in the website, to tweak the
+</I>&gt;<i> articles design even further (but that's really for later).
+</I>
+That is what I meant - this series is too good an idea to let it slip
+away into the &quot;ideas we may put into action some day but never will&quot;
+box. We should push this - IMHO it is one of the best marketing ideas
+I read so far.
+
+&gt;<i> bonjourmageia.fr is in no way meant to be the single entry point, but
+</I>&gt;<i> one among others, by accident - I noticed it in relation to my
+</I>&gt;<i> previous post (past week).
+</I>
+Ah, I see, so it would be a rather sideways entry point. Good.
+
+BTW: I am not so happy about the &quot;bonjourmageia&quot; idea being a
+French-only thing. Putting up such a French-only thing would be the
+same as if I said, let's do a &quot;WillkommenMageia.de&quot; for a start to let
+people know the faces of Mageia. Or if we had started a French forum
+first instead of an English forum. We should push international ideas
+and sites first, if a local page will copy that or if a local group
+will do a localisation, fine and welcome.
+
+--
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just a quick note for information, in case it can be reused somehow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne, Damien, Nicolas, Arnaud and me went to WebWorkersCamp in Paris
+</I>&gt;<i> past Friday/Saturday, and I did a presentation about Mageia, in this
+</I>&gt;<i> context (BarCamp, centered around new/edgy Web technologies).
+</I>
+can you share it with us?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most of the audience was made of Web professionals and developers -
+</I>&gt;<i> that did not hear about Mageia before (but were aware of the Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> ecosystem in general).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Briefly (because the slides were in French and did not hold all of the
+</I>&gt;<i> speech), that was done in three parts:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. what is Mageia? and what happened since past September
+</I>&gt;<i> - project/distribution/association
+</I>&gt;<i> - #1 goal was to give control of the project to the community/governance
+</I>&gt;<i> - history of 7 past months
+</I>&gt;<i> - coming months (final release, brainstorming)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [CUT]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. (asking the audience) questions? what is missing for you in
+</I>&gt;<i> existing OS stacks? what could be done? (Q/A part of the speech
+</I>&gt;<i> actually); so questions were (from memory):
+</I>&gt;<i> q. why yet another distribution? what will be success like for
+</I>&gt;<i> you? what difference? when?
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; explained the first need to move the project into different
+</I>&gt;<i> hands/governance - and that fragmentation is not a bad thing, or
+</I>&gt;<i> something to fear, as long as one differentiate enough from others, to
+</I>&gt;<i> explore different paths - paths to actually be defined _after_ Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> 1, during the brainstorming session - so this answer was far from
+</I>&gt;<i> convincing, of course.
+</I>
+the answer must be find in the marketing plan, this is one of the reason i want
+to have it as soon as possible:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+
+i'm starting to work on it, these days there will be many improvements (and
+lot of thing to be discussed)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> q. how many downloads/users have you already? and compared to Mandriva?
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; very difficult figure to get in general; however, last
+</I>&gt;<i> year, MDV could count about 3M users, all versions included; for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, we can't count users yet, our finale is not yet released - but
+</I>&gt;<i> we've experienced about 60k downloads for alpha2/beta1 and we expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to aim for 1M downloads for Mageia 1 over the year.
+</I>
+can't we discover how many users has mageia using the updates logs?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here you are.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> ___________________________________
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+</I>&gt;<i> worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about:
+</I>&gt;<i> - what developers can find in Mageia (technology stacks that suit them)
+</I>&gt;<i> - what users can find in Mageia (tools that help them)
+</I>&gt;<i> - what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real
+</I>&gt;<i> world out there)
+</I>&gt;<i> - what people can do for Mageia (contributors, in what, how and where).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those both to show what is in, and get feedback about what could be in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be a long series and the start would be with the technology
+</I>&gt;<i> stacks (perl, python, ruby, php, etc.) in the form of some global
+</I>&gt;<i> overview and one-on-one interviews with involved packagers/developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All in all, that would make 4 categories, and maybe need 4 distinct
+</I>&gt;<i> persons to manage each category. In the best case scenario, we would
+</I>&gt;<i> post 2 per week. In the worst, 1 every two weeks. And for that we
+</I>&gt;<i> could use bonjourmageia.fr as a distinct mean to lead people to the
+</I>&gt;<i> blog post.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Advice? I can start a draft for the whole structure to announce this,
+</I>&gt;<i> and have a first post designed for Perl with J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin (who
+</I>&gt;<i> packages most, if not all of it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> __________________________
+</I>
+as i have already told you in the previous e-mail, i think we first need to
+setup a complete marketing plan that will driver our everyday action. For
+istance, in these blog posts you could have these issues:
+
+what users can find in Mageia -&gt; who are our users? which features they will
+expect? are we able to provide them?
+
+- what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real world out
+there) -&gt; what kind of people? depending on the people we adress to, it
+changes the work of the user
+
+if we don't have clear these aspects, we will be only ANOTHER linux distro,
+and i wan't that this happens.
+
+i think that until now blog posts about development progress should be enough,
+otherwise we risk to do all the errors the most of the distro do everyday...
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 23:52, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> [...] did a presentation [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can you share it with us?
+</I>
+Those were 6/7 very succinct slides to reference my words; the
+description here matters much more than the actual slides (in French).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; q. why yet another distribution? what will be success like for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you? what difference? when?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; =&gt; explained the first need to move the project into different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hands/governance - and that fragmentation is not a bad thing, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something to fear, as long as one differentiate enough from others, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explore different paths - paths to actually be defined _after_ Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1, during the brainstorming session - so this answer was far from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> convincing, of course.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the answer must be find in the marketing plan, this is one of the reason i want
+</I>&gt;<i> to have it as soon as possible:
+</I>
+Yes, to formally design the goal to reach. But the source of it is in
+the brainstorm session - it does not come out of nowhere, and does not
+come only from marcom.
+
+But don't get me wrong. The role of marcom is still critical to
+gather/educate/make a consistent plan out of the discussed
+ideas/plans.
+
+So far, we can only say &quot;it could be this, it could be that&quot;, because
+Mageia 1 goal is nothing more than: making a cool, working
+distribution all by ourselves. Then, iterate on this.
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm starting to work on it, these days there will be many improvements (and
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of thing to be discussed)
+</I>
+Cool, please keep the list regularly updated about this, as you make
+progress. Just a note, about vision/mission, there were notes on
+Graham's wiki.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; q. how many downloads/users have you already? and compared to Mandriva?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; =&gt; very difficult figure to get in general; however, last
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> year, MDV could count about 3M users, all versions included; for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia, we can't count users yet, our finale is not yet released - but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we've experienced about 60k downloads for alpha2/beta1 and we expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to aim for 1M downloads for Mageia 1 over the year.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can't we discover how many users has mageia using the updates logs?
+</I>
+Not as easy as that; that requires to consolidate logs from all
+mirrors (not counting mirrors we are not aware of) and to take into
+the fact that behind the same IP address can live several systems.
+
+We need another indicator, like, a single ping to a single Mageia
+server each time an install or update process is started - that's not
+perfect yet, but at least it indicates a figure correlated with the
+number of active systems in the wild (and of which version). We used
+to have such a system at MDV.
+
+There may be other methods (among which some very intrusive ones, that
+are not options for us) - I know other distributions faced the same
+issues - Fedora did publish a summary about this, but I can't find the
+document back.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;&gt;<i> In the continuity of the WWC speech, ennael and I think it could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> worth it to setup a series of posts in the blog about:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what developers can find in Mageia (technology stacks that suit them)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what users can find in Mageia (tools that help them)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> world out there)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- what people can do for Mageia (contributors, in what, how and where).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Those both to show what is in, and get feedback about what could be in.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be a long series and the start would be with the technology
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stacks (perl, python, ruby, php, etc.) in the form of some global
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overview and one-on-one interviews with involved packagers/developers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All in all, that would make 4 categories, and maybe need 4 distinct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> persons to manage each category. In the best case scenario, we would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> post 2 per week. In the worst, 1 every two weeks. And for that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could use bonjourmageia.fr as a distinct mean to lead people to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blog post.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Advice? I can start a draft for the whole structure to announce this,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and have a first post designed for Perl with J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin (who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages most, if not all of it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> __________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as i have already told you in the previous e-mail, i think we first need to
+</I>&gt;<i> setup a complete marketing plan that will driver our everyday action. For
+</I>&gt;<i> istance, in these blog posts you could have these issues:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what users can find in Mageia -&gt; who are our users? which features they will
+</I>&gt;<i> expect? are we able to provide them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real world out
+</I>&gt;<i> there) -&gt; what kind of people? depending on the people we adress to, it
+</I>&gt;<i> changes the work of the user
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if we don't have clear these aspects, we will be only ANOTHER linux distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> and i wan't that this happens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think that until now blog posts about development progress should be enough,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise we risk to do all the errors the most of the distro do everyday...
+</I>
+So we are back at the &quot;Who are our targets?&quot; discussion?
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> as i have already told you in the previous e-mail, i think we first need to
+</I>&gt;<i> setup a complete marketing plan that will driver our everyday action.
+</I>
+Very little things in life go &quot;by the plan&quot;. It does not mean plans
+are useless but that we need to know when to start/change things/plans
+- that's culture.
+
+&gt;<i> what users can find in Mageia -&gt; who are our users? which features they will
+</I>&gt;<i> expect? are we able to provide them?
+</I>
+Our users will first be the ones that find a fit with what we propose
+to them, that matches our expectations (build, propose, gather
+feedback, iterate). So first, our users will be ... us. Then, what we
+can learn from feedback from larger circles. Later, our users will be
+those that find a fit with specifics, because we will have searched
+after this fit.
+
+The goal in this series is to propose what we (well, those that will
+make this very series) find valuable and noticeable in Mageia for
+developers for one part, users for another part. Precisely to raise
+interest into the product and the technology, and gather feedback (we
+won't by staying silent).
+
+
+&gt;<i> - what people can do with Mageia (what gets done with it in the real world out
+</I>&gt;<i> there) -&gt; what kind of people? depending on the people we adress to, it
+</I>&gt;<i> changes the work of the user
+</I>
+That's why we can address a lot of people, and see how it goes. And
+showcase very different uses of the same base technology.
+
+
+&gt;<i> if we don't have clear these aspects, we will be only ANOTHER linux distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> and i wan't that this happens.
+</I>
+Looking first for a specific class of users for a Linux
+desktop/laptop/server distribution today is maybe a good idea if you
+want to grasp on some market share, if you already have something to
+adapt and aim to - after all, Linux has still a lot to gain.
+
+Doing so for a technology project (what Mageia is) is premature.
+Premature for two reasons:
+
+ * I have no idea - no one has, about the direction that Mageia will
+take in the coming months, after Mageia 1 release. Well, I have an
+intuition, I have wishes. But that does not make for the project
+goals, even if I'm on the Board. No one is expected to decide about
+this before this Summer brainstorm session has happened.
+
+ * Mageia is building a pretty generic Linux distribution (goes for
+desktop, server, laptop, for several architectures). What it needs
+next to have a distinct identity on its own is not to search for
+specific users as a whole. What it needs is to wildly experiment,
+_aside from the main trunk_.
+
+Experiment like:
+ - breaking it apart in smaller, to-the-point, specific and
+extraordinarily optimized use-cases (desktop/server/laptop/mobile are
+the biggest use-cases so far, but what about the next 5 years? the
+iPhone didn't even exist 5 years ago);
+ - make yet-another-Linux distro that just boots, and launches a
+customized Web browser only - yes, there are several in this area
+already, among which Chromium - but having the knowledge/experience of
+what this involves and what this provides may be important here;
+ - scratch the surface, from a community point of view, of aiming at
+a specific set of hardware platforms, so that the integrated
+experience of Mageia software with these is _better_ than with other,
+more generic platforms;
+
+Those are only 3 samples; maybe other ideas can come out of a
+brainstorm; maybe not. Maybe it will conclude that, no, we won't go
+experimenting this wild and secure first a stronger trunk for the
+distribution, and only allow small teams to go in the wild like this;
+or only let companies around take the risk/reward about this on their
+own, from Mageia trunk. I have no idea. No one has. Because, again, no
+one is expected to decide about this before this brainstorm session
+has happened.
+
+You will say that it's foolish to do so without having a single
+knowledge of what users we are looking after. Maybe. But it is even
+worse to engage in a project one doesn't crave for oneself - in other
+words, no one in Mageia will make something great if it is not already
+in love with what it is, notwithstanding potential users out there.
+
+Let the project (the community forming it, you included) find out what
+it wants to do first; being part of the marcomm' team, help then the
+project to find if, and how, people out there, will like/use it as
+well. And how to iterate to approach this.
+
+Closing the project scope now by searching after user targets now is
+premature. That's the same message as in past November. And that
+doesn't void the marcom team role and relevance. It makes it different
+than what you seem to expect, though.
+
+
+&gt;<i> i think that until now blog posts about development progress should be enough,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise we risk to do all the errors the most of the distro do everyday...
+</I>
+I don't think showcasing our processes, people and products in the
+open is an error. And it's not because it may sound naive that it is
+either.
+
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as i have already told you in the previous e-mail, i think we first need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setup a complete marketing plan that will driver our everyday action.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very little things in life go &quot;by the plan&quot;. It does not mean plans
+</I>&gt;<i> are useless but that we need to know when to start/change things/plans
+</I>&gt;<i> - that's culture.
+</I>
+Just to make sure. I'm not saying you shouldn't build a plan neither
+discuss it with the team here and others. We need a plan. And your
+draft structure looks good.
+
+But be careful to keep it as small/focused as possible, practical with
+clear objectives per milestones and with actual action dates (so we
+can retro-plan, say starting with RC release - yes, that's short).
+Both for the final release in June, and for the long term (brainstorm
+session to design for this Summer &amp; the project per-se).
+
+Romain
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+
+----Messaggio originale----
+Da: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>
+Data: 19-apr-2011 10.07
+A: &quot;Mageia marketing team discussion list&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Ogg: Re: [Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+
+On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:51, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 00:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as i have already told you in the previous e-mail, i think we first need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> setup a complete marketing plan that will driver our everyday action.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very little things in life go &quot;by the plan&quot;. It does not mean plans
+</I>&gt;<i> are useless but that we need to know when to start/change things/plans
+</I>&gt;<i> - that's culture.
+</I>
+Just to make sure. I'm not saying you shouldn't build a plan neither
+discuss it with the team here and others. We need a plan. And your
+draft structure looks good.
+
+But be careful to keep it as small/focused as possible, practical with
+clear objectives per milestones and with actual action dates (so we
+can retro-plan, say starting with RC release - yes, that's short).
+Both for the final release in June, and for the long term (brainstorm
+session to design for this Summer &amp;amp; the project per-se).
+
+Romain
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+
+sure, as you can see in the marketing plan we have a mid-term action plan and a short-term one. the current situation will be taken in consideration to elaborate our strategies, in both plans. naturally in the short-term action plan there will be no radical or important change, as the time is running out fast.
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+
+PS= i tried the installation of the beta 1 and it didn't install a lot of packages (among the others, kde one!), i hope live cds will be out soon!!
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+we're still in a last-minute-hurry, here for a quick review, the blog
+post as projected for beta2: <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/i6UfwZgIcQ">http://piratepad.net/i6UfwZgIcQ</A> - will be
+pushed in the next few hours (if not less).
+
+I suggest we make it differently as soon as RC as a rehearsal for
+finale: we define the big lines together and adapt the message and we
+review/validate the text in advance (at least 2 days) so we can better
+sync and plan the spread of the news.
+
+Cheers!
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+&gt;<i> we're still in a last-minute-hurry, here for a quick review, the
+</I>&gt;<i> blog post as projected for beta2: <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/i6UfwZgIcQ">http://piratepad.net/i6UfwZgIcQ</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> will be pushed in the next few hours (if not less).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we make it differently as soon as RC as a rehearsal for
+</I>&gt;<i> finale: we define the big lines together and adapt the message and
+</I>&gt;<i> we review/validate the text in advance (at least 2 days) so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> better sync and plan the spread of the news.
+</I>
+I've made just a few edits at this stage, for the English. We're
+still talking to the Inner Circle[1] here - this announcement is fine
+for this audience IMO. For Final, we might want to have something
+more/else/additional. Comments on this notion welcome.
+
+Any other comments on the post itself?
+
+[1] Thinking about the audience as a set of concentric rings -
+founders being the innermost point, the current devs/testers the
+innermost circle, and additional audiences (hardcore/geeky users, out
+to Joe and Jane Public) being circles at a greater distance from the
+innermost point. (Nothing to stop people from moving from one circle
+to another, either.)
+
+Cheers!
+
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+On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 21:05, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I've made just a few edits at this stage, for the English.
+</I>
+Thanks! I pushed these to the blog.
+
+&gt;<i> We're still talking to the Inner Circle[1] here - this announcement is fine
+</I>&gt;<i> for this audience IMO. For Final, we might want to have something
+</I>&gt;<i> more/else/additional. Comments on this notion welcome.
+</I>
+Well, include hardcode/geeky users in the circle. But yes, before RC,
+we're not adressing more people than that and the full big opening is
+really only for the final release.
+
+The release message really has to focus on the product and what
+people, everyone, can do with it/from it.
+
+The &quot;what's next?&quot; topic will need to be prepared but strictly
+separated, and for mid-June, once the release is at full speed.
+
+&gt;<i> Any other comments on the post itself?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] Thinking about the audience as a set of concentric rings -
+</I>&gt;<i> founders being the innermost point, the current devs/testers the
+</I>&gt;<i> innermost circle, and additional audiences (hardcore/geeky users, out
+</I>&gt;<i> to Joe and Jane Public) being circles at a greater distance from the
+</I>&gt;<i> innermost point. (Nothing to stop people from moving from one circle
+</I>&gt;<i> to another, either.)
+</I>
+
+
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+
+On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 14:43, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Event is coming nearer.
+</I>
+Even nearer now.
+
+&gt;<i> Needed things:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- stickers or any other marketing material (t-shirts will be there)
+</I>
+Did you get some? I can fetch some from Damien.
+
+&gt;<i> &#160;- Mageia presentation, which will run as an eye catcher on a 26&quot; screen.
+</I>
+Do we have a status for that?
+
+&gt;<i> &#160;- anything else you can think of.
+</I>
+Beer and fun. But I think we'll find this in place.
+
+&gt;<i> About the presentation:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- I can do it in German but I'd prefer an initial layout which may be
+</I>&gt;<i> used by other languages as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- If you are planning such a thing in French for Solution Linux, pls
+</I>&gt;<i> share it with us.
+</I>
+Anne, Misc; have something?
+
+Romain
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+so... shall we hold an IRC meeting this week (and then when? I will be
+offline on coming Fri/Sat) or summarize things here instead? :-)
+
+On my list, I have (feel free to add, comment):
+ * relative to my past posts, any further comment about:
+ - localized bonjour* idea; with a bonjourmageia.fr experiment first
+and more later with better directions;
+ - hugs; quick to setup and throw;
+ - people profiles; will not happen at once, but it's good to know in advance;
+ - blog post series (technical stacks first, contributors second,
+others later) - a pace of once a week would be good to keep and we'd
+need to start it soon - needs a quick list of questions to prepare, I
+can help to start that;
+ * I opened this related bug <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998</A>
+ * all distribution/web/communication artwork:
+ - final distribution related stuff must be done, closed, shipped
+before RC - so directions and reviews with/to artwork team must be
+done very soon; who can take on this?
+ - web artwork/design for final release should be done as well around RC
+ - other stuff?
+ * marketing plan:
+ - saw there's some progress on it, will post a few comments when
+you see it good enough for this Marcello;
+ - I'd like to add a quick time table to help with retro planning
+here (integrating some of the above);
+ * anything else?
+
+We didn't hold a Council meeting this week - should happen next Monday though.
+
+Cheers!
+
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+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - blog post series (technical stacks first, contributors second,
+</I>&gt;<i> others later) - a pace of once a week would be good to keep and we'd
+</I>&gt;<i> need to start it soon - needs a quick list of questions to prepare, I
+</I>&gt;<i> can help to start that;
+</I>
+Draft list of questions here: <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/AX93jcSCTo">http://piratepad.net/AX93jcSCTo</A> - it's a
+mix between an interview format and an expos&#233; about the technical
+stack at stake, within the interview itself - so it's less didactic
+although it can be an introduction to something more specific,
+separate.
+
+Advice?
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> &#160;* I opened this related bug <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998</A>
+</I>
+Ah, and again related to that (sorry for the multiple posts), I'd like
+to know how could be done a way to push the names (or nicknames, for
+all that agree with it) of all the contributors (well, those that
+opt-in) to the project to be published somewhere, in some way.
+
+We can't afford something like
+<A HREF="http://www-archive.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-12-15.html">http://www-archive.mozilla.org/press/mozilla-2004-12-15.html</A> for now,
+but that the idea of something related (targetting affordable print
+press or high-traffic venue to show off/thank all contributors).
+
+Requires:
+ - a list of people to opt-in/validate;
+ - an original design;
+ - a message in the &quot;thank you&quot; or &quot;well done&quot; sense (or other?)
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 18:13, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> shall we hold our meeting tomorrow, same place (#mageia-artwork), same
+</I>&gt;<i> time (17:00 UTC, 19:00 Paris time). Would be nice to have a status of
+</I>&gt;<i> the following (feel free to post here directly if you are not sure to
+</I>&gt;<i> be at the meeting!):
+</I>
+Here are the notes:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2011/mageia-artwork.2011-04-27-17.12.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2011/mageia-artwork.2011-04-27-17.12.html</A>
+
+(cc marcom)
+
+&gt;<i> &#160;* distribution artwork:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - boot process
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - install process
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - desktop (splashes, backgrounds)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - hibernation, shutdown processes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* mageia.org artwork:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - logo &amp; favicon &amp; media availability on website
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - kakemono proposals and progress
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - website design, especially towards June 1st release
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+
+as someone requested on -discuss a few days (weeks?) ago, we'll answer
+to it (notified anew this evening, we're late). That's for
+<A HREF="http://www.tuxinfo.com.ar/">http://www.tuxinfo.com.ar/</A> .
+
+I pushed the questions here: <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga">http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga</A> and I'll
+start working on it with ennael by tomorrow. Your input is
+welcome/needed too if you have advice.
+
+(on a separate topic, I still have to create accounts/aliases for
+Patricia on press@, contact@ and the English-speaking blog - hopefully
+done by tomorrow)
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+Cheers,
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 14:43, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Event is coming nearer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even nearer now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Needed things:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- stickers or any other marketing material (t-shirts will be there)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you get some? I can fetch some from Damien.
+</I>
+No, you're the first responding to my mail.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- Mageia presentation, which will run as an eye catcher on a 26&quot; screen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do we have a status for that?
+</I>
+I am about to start something myself as soon as I get hold of my
+computers again - currently I'm not at home.
+So much for my silence in general ...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- anything else you can think of.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beer and fun. But I think we'll find this in place.
+</I>
+A beer is waiting for all 3 of you at the hotel on Thursday night...
+
+--
+wobo
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+
+Just to let you know, I've seen the lists - I'm still up to my ears
+with the day job, but I'll have some time tomorrow night to get on
+it. Some of it's for us to do, some of it we need input from other
+people.
+
+Might be an idea to set some of this up as bugs - that reminder
+feature is very handy!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi Romain &amp; all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to let you know, I've seen the lists - I'm still up to my ears
+</I>&gt;<i> with the day job, but I'll have some time tomorrow night to get on
+</I>&gt;<i> it. Some of it's for us to do, some of it we need input from other
+</I>&gt;<i> people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Might be an idea to set some of this up as bugs - that reminder
+</I>&gt;<i> feature is very handy!
+</I>
+Yes, I should have reported my questions about practical marketing
+(Linuxtag event) as bug report to get an earlier response from
+marketing.
+
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+On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 21:04, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Just to let you know, I've seen the lists - I'm still up to my ears
+</I>&gt;<i> with the day job, but I'll have some time tomorrow night to get on
+</I>&gt;<i> it. Some of it's for us to do, some of it we need input from other
+</I>&gt;<i> people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Might be an idea to set some of this up as bugs - that reminder
+</I>&gt;<i> feature is very handy!
+</I>
+Ok, I can translate my mail into this tomorrow morning.
+
+Romain
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+On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 23:13, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Might be an idea to set some of this up as bugs - that reminder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feature is very handy!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I can translate my mail into this tomorrow morning.
+</I>
+Not done yet. :-/ Btw, interview to proof-read a last time (already
+done with -dev team): <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga">http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga</A> - I'll push this
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+<PRE>Added a bit. Chuck it if you don't like it. Proofed - seems fine.
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 23:13, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Might be an idea to set some of this up as bugs - that reminder
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; feature is very handy!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, I can translate my mail into this tomorrow morning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not done yet. :-/ Btw, interview to proof-read a last time (already
+</I>&gt;<i> done with -dev team): <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga">http://piratepad.net/yx5TGbXwga</A> - I'll push
+</I>&gt;<i> this to Jos&#233; later this evening.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 16:32, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; - blog post series (technical stacks first, contributors second,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; others later) - a pace of once a week would be good to keep and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we'd need to start it soon - needs a quick list of questions to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prepare, I can help to start that;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Draft list of questions here: <A HREF="http://piratepad.net/AX93jcSCTo">http://piratepad.net/AX93jcSCTo</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a mix between an interview format and an expos&#233; about the
+</I>&gt;<i> technical stack at stake, within the interview itself - so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> less didactic although it can be an introduction to something more
+</I>&gt;<i> specific, separate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Advice?
+</I>
+I like it. I think it's ready to push out.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+&gt;<i> Added a bit. Chuck it if you don't like it. Proofed - seems fine.
+</I>
+Thanks. I just sent it.
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+
+&gt;<i> so... shall we hold an IRC meeting this week (and then when? I will
+</I>&gt;<i> be offline on coming Fri/Sat) or summarize things here instead? :-)
+</I>
+I really, really need to get that IRC meeting time changed - it keeps
+colliding with work in the worst way. I know the i18n team meets on
+Thursdays - I'd be happier to meet after that, if it's possible.
+Thoughts welcome. Looking at the possibilities calendar we all put
+together, there's quite a spread. (Changing to another day is also
+possible...)
+
+&gt;<i> On my list, I have (feel free to add, comment):
+</I>&gt;<i> * relative to my past posts, any further comment about:
+</I>&gt;<i> - localized bonjour* idea; with a bonjourmageia.fr experiment
+</I>&gt;<i> first and more later with better directions;
+</I>
+Yep. Can we roll that together with the blog post series? do a
+photo/pithy comment version of the blog post for Bonjour? maybe with
+pointers in both directions? And post on Facebook to say they're
+there, and so on...
+
+&gt;<i> - hugs; quick to setup and throw;
+</I>
+Yep. And *always* good!
+
+&gt;<i> - people profiles; will not happen at once, but it's good to
+</I>&gt;<i> know in advance;
+</I>
+Yep. Do we have a place for them? On the website? Separate blog?
+Where?
+
+&gt;<i> - blog post series (technical stacks first, contributors second,
+</I>&gt;<i> others later) - a pace of once a week would be good to keep and we'd
+</I>&gt;<i> need to start it soon - needs a quick list of questions to prepare,
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help to start that;
+</I>
+I like the questions you have. As we see the need for more/different
+kinds of questions (from i18n, artwork, whoever) it just needs the
+more specialist questions changing - easy enough to bolt on when the
+time comes.
+
+&gt;<i> * I opened this related bug
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998</A>
+</I>
+Yep. It would be great to map our people, to have their geo location
+on their profile (if they agree, of course) - we'll have lots of ways
+to make this work to grow the community, if people don't mind joining
+in.
+
+&gt;<i> * all distribution/web/communication artwork:
+</I>&gt;<i> - final distribution related stuff must be done, closed, shipped
+</I>&gt;<i> before RC - so directions and reviews with/to artwork team must be
+</I>&gt;<i> done very soon; who can take on this?
+</I>
+Who's the artwork lead at the moment? I can take it on so long as a)
+I know who to approach (sending mails to the list doesn't always
+work) and b) what the deadlines are. I have some time on the weekend
+before I bolt off for 10 days on a trip, so I could maybe map stuff
+out with someone, and do bits and pieces while I'm away.
+
+&gt;<i> - web artwork/design for final release should be done as well
+</I>&gt;<i> around RC
+</I>
+Is that only artwork/marcomm? I would think we need other teams in
+on this, yes? Who, and how to pull it all together?
+
+&gt;<i> - other stuff?
+</I>
+The kakemono - is it finished, and did Damien get to use it? I saw
+some stuff whizz by, but it seemed like it was a) late and b)
+unfinished. If we're doing projects like that - kakemono, posters,
+t-shirts... where there's input from both artwork and marcom, who is
+supposed to keep after it until completion? Can I make a strong case
+for its being artwork, at least for now?
+
+&gt;<i> * marketing plan:
+</I>&gt;<i> - saw there's some progress on it, will post a few comments when
+</I>&gt;<i> you see it good enough for this Marcello;
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> - I'd like to add a quick time table to help with retro planning
+</I>&gt;<i> here (integrating some of the above);
+</I>&gt;<i> * anything else?
+</I>
+Yes, please.
+
+&gt;<i> We didn't hold a Council meeting this week - should happen next
+</I>&gt;<i> Monday though.
+</I>
+I'll be in transit Monday night, so no Council meeting for me, but it
+would be good to have an IRC meet for marcom in the next day or so if
+there's anyone around.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hey!
+
+On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 21:54, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I really, really need to get that IRC meeting time changed [...]
+</I>
+I'm totally open to that (and any other way that would help for this
+meeting to happen regularly).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- localized bonjour* idea; with a bonjourmageia.fr experiment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first and more later with better directions;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. Can we roll that together with the blog post series? do a
+</I>&gt;<i> photo/pithy comment version of the blog post for Bonjour? maybe with
+</I>&gt;<i> pointers in both directions? And post on Facebook to say they're
+</I>&gt;<i> there, and so on...
+</I>
+Yep, we can. <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044</A>
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- hugs; quick to setup and throw;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. And *always* good!
+</I>
+Ok. <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1043">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1043</A>
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- people profiles; will not happen at once, but it's good to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know in advance;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. Do we have a place for them? On the website? Separate blog?
+</I>&gt;<i> Where?
+</I>
+That would be based on an extension of identity, with a distinct
+subdomain. And so far, this would be a specific app (existing or to
+design). So it's not for real now, but it's good to know we go this
+way to design further.
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1045">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1045</A>
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- blog post series (technical stacks first, contributors second,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others later) - a pace of once a week would be good to keep and we'd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to start it soon - needs a quick list of questions to prepare,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can help to start that;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the questions you have. As we see the need for more/different
+</I>&gt;<i> kinds of questions (from i18n, artwork, whoever) it just needs the
+</I>&gt;<i> more specialist questions changing - easy enough to bolt on when the
+</I>&gt;<i> time comes.
+</I>
+Cool! :-) So I'll push this to the list of people we know already, and
+submit it to -dev team to get more people for the next pieces.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* I opened this related bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. It would be great to map our people, to have their geo location
+</I>&gt;<i> on their profile (if they agree, of course) - we'll have lots of ways
+</I>&gt;<i> to make this work to grow the community, if people don't mind joining
+</I>&gt;<i> in.
+</I>
+Oliver (obgr) told me he would take on this with a friend, for the
+technical part, starting next week.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* all distribution/web/communication artwork:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- final distribution related stuff must be done, closed, shipped
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before RC - so directions and reviews with/to artwork team must be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done very soon; who can take on this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who's the artwork lead at the moment? I can take it on so long as a)
+</I>&gt;<i> I know who to approach (sending mails to the list doesn't always
+</I>&gt;<i> work) and b) what the deadlines are. I have some time on the weekend
+</I>&gt;<i> before I bolt off for 10 days on a trip, so I could maybe map stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> out with someone, and do bits and pieces while I'm away.
+</I>
+I'm the lead for now there too; TeaAge is getting a grip on this, and
+it's supposed to change after Mageia 1 release (so I do hope).
+Distribution artwork freeze is on its way [1], deadline being asap
+now, so that RC has all final stuff. What needs to be done is: counter
+review all beta2 stuff and submitted updates by the artwork team. It's
+hard to get the team together but at the meeting on Wednesday - some
+people hang out regularly on the chanel though.
+
+[1] See yesterday's meeting log:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2011/mageia-artwork.2011-04-27-17.12.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2011/mageia-artwork.2011-04-27-17.12.html</A>
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- web artwork/design for final release should be done as well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> around RC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that only artwork/marcomm? I would think we need other teams in
+</I>&gt;<i> on this, yes? Who, and how to pull it all together?
+</I>
+Same here. For now, mostly me. That's mostly artwork/marcomm in
+general. But, for this round, website design may be ok. What still
+needs to be done, however, are the release pages (showcasing the
+product) and here, some people in the packagers team are needed (best
+knowledge we can have about the product). So a call on mageia-dev@ ml
+is needed. We need: a story line, key elements, screenshots.
+
+So for these two, I can still act as a lead, but I need some
+assistance and/or teams to self organize a bit as well. Or I will
+happily delegate it as well. The schedule being, as usual here, short.
+I would prefer you focus on the RC/Final release message instead
+maybe.
+
+Then we'll need to refine the download &amp; support portals.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- other stuff?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The kakemono - is it finished, and did Damien get to use it? I saw
+</I>&gt;<i> some stuff whizz by, but it seemed like it was a) late and b)
+</I>&gt;<i> unfinished. If we're doing projects like that - kakemono, posters,
+</I>&gt;<i> t-shirts... where there's input from both artwork and marcom, who is
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to keep after it until completion? Can I make a strong case
+</I>&gt;<i> for its being artwork, at least for now?
+</I>
+We just need to have someone in charge for specific tasks, not
+necessarily always the same, but at least someone to coordinate and
+keep everyone updated about it.
+
+About kakemono, there was a huge quiproquo in communication; artwork
+team started working on it without notifying anyone and then proposed
+two options; but had no feedback in time. For this round, I'm not sure
+we'll make it for a kakemono, we'll make a smaller poster. Damien,
+around? Could you update everyone about this?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* marketing plan: [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- I'd like to add a quick time table to help with retro planning
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here (integrating some of the above);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* anything else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, please.
+</I>
+Will do next week (and will be around on irc). I'm offline until Monday now.
+
+Have a great week-end!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>This info arrived by courtesy of the spanish community blogdrake:
+
+2011/4/28 Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello, you can see the blogdrake version of your poster (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/node/23110">http://blogdrake.net/node/23110</A> ) feel free of do public the info and
+</I>&gt;<i> my gratitude to you and the members of your community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only want to let clear i only translate the text, the image
+</I>&gt;<i> manipulation come from other blogdrake's user
+</I>
+As I wrote earlier the overall design and text (in German) will be the
+poster to be displayed at Mageia stand in Berlin.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> This info arrived by courtesy of the spanish community blogdrake:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/4/28 Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello, you can see the blogdrake version of your poster (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/node/23110">http://blogdrake.net/node/23110</A> ) feel free of do public the info and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my gratitude to you and the members of your community
+</I>
+There is an error in the contact email. It's <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-contact at mageia.org.</A>
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+<PRE>2011/4/29 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This info arrived by courtesy of the spanish community blogdrake:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/28 Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello, you can see the blogdrake version of your poster (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/node/23110">http://blogdrake.net/node/23110</A> ) feel free of do public the info and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; my gratitude to you and the members of your community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an error in the contact email. It's <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-contact at mageia.org.</A>
+</I>
+Thx for the info. I wish someone had noticed this when I sent the
+poster draft to the founders 2 months ago...
+Will change that somehow on the poster.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <I>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>I just sent a message to the general Mageia ML and was told that the
+marketing list is a more appropriate place for the issue - ashes on my
+head: me and marketing ...
+
+My point is on &quot;community marketing&quot; - spreading the good news about
+Mageia between users. When I try to convince a colleage about the merits
+of Mageia I need arguments - evidently I have them, otherwise I would
+not use Mageia. But being convinced about Mageia, and having a
+convincing list of &quot;sellable&quot; arguments at my fingertips are two
+different things. My suggestion is to compile a short but striking list
+of arguments as a base that can be used when, all at sudden - you want
+to convince a fellow user.
+
+I think that the present time is very appropriate moment for this
+user-to-user publicity campaign: technically Mageia is &quot;ready&quot;, formally
+the launch and the - I guess - planned PR campaign are still 2 months away.
+
+Probably the list would best be compiled by collecting ideas and
+arguments in this or some other ML, but doing some central editing to
+keep it well focused and snappy. Another question is how to make it
+available - probably the preliminary wiki or the blog are good places.
+
+Juergen
+
+---- original message to the mageia discuss list -------
+
+Does a list exist which enumerates arguments in favour of selecting
+Mageia when choosing a Linux distribution? - a vademecum for Mageia
+addicts for proselyte making.
+
+When advocating Mageia, it would be nice not to have to invent the same
+list somebody else compiled a couple of days ago, just for himself, and
+would be nice to know the striking arguments oneself did not think about.
+
+I just saw on our Linux ML in the university a debate (k)Ubuntu or Mint
+or ... - nice occasion to drop the good message. I think the present
+time is an excellent moment: even if the distro says &quot;only for testing&quot;,
+Beta is mature for production - anticipate the campaign certainly
+planned for the official launch by an &quot;insider campaign&quot;. Some
+organising of spreading the gospel will certainly help.
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com
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+ <I>Fri Apr 29 19:25:40 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:11 AM, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This info arrived by courtesy of the spanish community blogdrake:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/4/28 Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">j.alberto.vc at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello, you can see the blogdrake version of your poster (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/node/23110">http://blogdrake.net/node/23110</A> ) feel free of do public the info and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; my gratitude to you and the members of your community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an error in the contact email. It's <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">mageia-contact at mageia.org.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I will fix as quick as possible
+</PRE>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 125<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-marketing] Sanbox is ready
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC Meeting today
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-marketing] List of arguments pro Mageia
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-marketing] R: Re: Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>marcello.anni at alice.it
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-marketing] Interview for a magazine
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri May 20 11:46:47 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>April 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Apr 1 18:45:30 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 125<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-marketing] Sanbox is ready
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC Meeting today
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-marketing] R: Re: Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>marcello.anni at alice.it
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-marketing] Interview for a magazine
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-marketing] List of arguments pro Mageia
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri May 20 11:46:47 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>April 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Apr 1 18:45:30 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 125<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-marketing] Interview for a magazine
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC Meeting today
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-marketing] List of arguments pro Mageia
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-marketing] R: Re: Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>marcello.anni at alice.it
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-marketing] Sanbox is ready
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri May 20 11:46:47 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>April 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Apr 1 18:45:30 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 125<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01301676330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01301676330-01301679790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01301947703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01301947703-01301964362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01301947703-01301964362-01301966828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01301947703-01301964362-01301978473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301978473-01301991091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01301947703-01301964362-01301980140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301980140-01301991018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302025839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521-01302035938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521-01302035938-01302037366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521-01302035938-01302038800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521-01302035938-01302041759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302030328-01302033521-01302035938-01302043675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084224-01302090140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770-01302092799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770-01302092799-01302096730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770-01302092799-01302096730-01302097847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770-01302092799-01302096730-01302098681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302082598-01302084770-01302092799-01302096730-01302098681-01302102061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535-01302096892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535-01302096892-01302097325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535-01302096892-01302097325-01302098412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535-01302096892-01302097371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302092708-01302094535-01302096892-01302097504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302027121-01302027425-01302077618-01302091768-01302095429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302075442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302075442-01302091231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301947703-01301964362-01301999356-01301999707-01301999976-01302001133-01302023668-01302026104-01302075442-01302091231-01302093048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-marketing] Plan - stuff to do pre Beta 1 release
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302089400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302089400-01302089827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-marketing] repost - original was too big for a marketing list???
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302111152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302111152-01302111423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4; translating into dutch
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302169789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302169789-01302170440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302171318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302171318-01302173405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302171318-01302173405-01302173664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302217004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302217004-01302248623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302217004-01302248623-01302251545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302169789-01302170440-01302170599-01302217004-01302248623-01302251545-01302251627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01302169789-01302215954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-marketing] test days announce on the blog
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302180679- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302180679-01302217542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13; installation of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302281663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302281663-01302286852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin, Mageia/MandrivaUser.de stand
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302282799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302282799-01302283373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302509531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302509531-01302525121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01302509531-01302525121-01302728980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01302509531-01302525121-01302728980-01302758842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01302509531-01302525121-01302728980-01303037874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-marketing] PDF file needed for a Mageia kakemono
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302543743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>suikerstroop
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302543743-01302546512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia-marketing Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302702258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302702258-01302724560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01302702258-01302724560-01302783636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-marketing] community representation / 3 ideas
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302719598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302719598-01302720317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-marketing] [Mageia-artwork] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01302719598-01302723346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01302719598-01302723346-01302881808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302724239- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-marketing] Sanbox is ready
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01302790090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01302790090-01302801446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01302790090-01302801446-01302881309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01302790090-01302801446-01302881309-01302886364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01302791835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-marketing] IRC Meeting today
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01303130584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303130584-01303913276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303130584-01303913276-01303930071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-marketing] Linuxtag Berlin
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01303135546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303135546-01303163559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303135546-01303163559-01303164466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-marketing] WebWorkersCamp presentation post-summary
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01303135803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303135803-01303141161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303135803-01303141161-01303141927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01303135803-01303141161-01303141927-01303145902- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01303135803-01303164054- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303135803-01303164054-01303164690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01303135803-01303164054-01303167087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01303135803-01303164054-01303167087-01303200426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-marketing] Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01303201136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-marketing] R: Re: Showcasing technology and people
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>marcello.anni at alice.it
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01303832752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303832752-01303844734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303832752-01303844734-01303846594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-marketing] beta2 blog note
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01303914773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303914773-01303917845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303914773-01303917845-01304015683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01303914773-01303925988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01303914773-01304020459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303914773-01304020459-01304027010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01303928454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 17 review
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01303929143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-marketing] Interview for a magazine
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01303931088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01303931088-01303931270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01303931088-01303938789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01303931088-01303938789-01304001209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01303931088-01303938789-01304001209-01304015557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01303931088-01303938789-01304001209-01304015557-01304018261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-marketing] Stuff to be done
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01304028026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01304028026-01304061064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01304028026-01304061064-01304061350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01304028026-01304061064-01304097940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia poster for events
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01304190275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-marketing] List of arguments pro Mageia
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Apr 30 21:04:35 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri May 20 11:46:47 CEST 2011</i>
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