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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000923.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000923.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..077913fd9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000923.html @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061929.12219.futureboy%40delorean.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000925.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Nathan Wolf</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010061929.12219.futureboy%40delorean.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">futureboy at delorean.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 01:29:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#923">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#923">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#923">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#923">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>My purposes for my computer is primarily for home office purposes with the +occasional gaming. I would say that would be the typical target audience. + +Do you remember, years ago, how Mandriva had a kind of "store" where you could +buy software, a one click installation system. Would it be possible to do +custom installation through a kind of web-based gui to keep it simple for +those first starting off with Linux. I'm thinking, something like the "App +Store" that Apple uses. It could be free or some things could be for cost... +just a thought. + +-Nathan + +On Wednesday, 06 October 2010 17:27:20 andré wrote: +><i> Hoyt Duff a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on +</I>><i> >> school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional +</I>><i> >> gov'ts in Germany. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here I mean focus in terms of promotion, not in terms of the content of +</I>><i> the DVD. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Do you have a link to any Mandriva docs that detail how the package +</I>><i> > lists for different "targets" can be created and implemented? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In short, it would be part of creating the installation DVD. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva does not implement this function in a manner useful to our +</I>><i> purposes. +</I>><i> Let me explain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There would be a number of install groups, (for want of a better +</I>><i> expression), all on the same DVD. +</I>><i> Each group will have a list of packages to be installed, which could be +</I>><i> individually selected/deselected as desired. +</I>><i> This is similar to what is already available on a Mandriva install DVD, +</I>><i> with an important difference : install groups would not be mutually +</I>><i> exclusive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In other words, the "education" group (targeting school needs), the +</I>><i> "young family" group (targeting families with young children), and the +</I>><i> "home office" group, would probably all contain, for example, a version +</I>><i> of OpenOffice (be it Go-oo, LibreOffice, or the officiel OpenOffice from +</I>><i> Oracle/Sun). +</I>><i> Currently, on a Mandriva installation DVD, each application is in only +</I>><i> one group.("Server" being one of their groups.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Overlapping installation groups allows us to target many uses on the +</I>><i> same DVD. +</I>><i> We could consider a target as a usage focus. +</I>><i> Many users would have more than one focus -- for example, developers +</I>><i> would want various development tools, as well as maybe "home office" if +</I>><i> they are an independant consultant. +</I>><i> There also could be a multi-level tree. A global group for developers, +</I>><i> with a sub-group for packagers (RPM tools), another for C/C++, another +</I>><i> for Perl, etc. +</I>><i> Or for a potentially more common theme, a global group for education, +</I>><i> with sub-groups for "pre-school/kindergarten", "elementary", +</I>><i> "secondary", "post-secondary". +</I>><i> And these various subgroups would almost necessarily have overlaps. +</I>><i> The possibilities are only limited by our collective imaginations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The more I think of this, I see an advantage of allowing the DVD +</I>><i> installer to access an external group file, (on a usb memory key for +</I>><i> example), for more flexibility on installation. +</I>><i> Especially useful to install the same software selection on a large +</I>><i> number of computers -- without creating a custom installation DVD. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think of the potential :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I></PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> This part of the discuss let me think something. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have both some people wanting huge set of backport and other wanting +</I>><i> long life release w/o change except security/bug fix. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, why not alternate both, 1 release with backports denied but long +</I>><i> life, and the 2nd with backports and update but during a shorter period. +</I>><i> (X.0 would be the new distro with backports, X.1 the one more servers +</I>><i> oriented or enterprise). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>i am not pro this, i think this is better to have the same policy for all +the releases. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/138c9beb/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#924">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#924">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#924">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#924">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000925.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000925.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..718aa7cef --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000925.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j2d1%2481j%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000923.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000926.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j2d1%2481j%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 01:57:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> space waste. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community +</I>><i> what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active +</I>><i> until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about +</I>><i> community preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so we must +</I>><i> be stay in touch about their preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I> +Where is the survey? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#925">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#925">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#925">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#925">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000926.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000926.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b0887ffb0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000926.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7C9C%2BiHiFX70PKOBepTD65B6pa95z8xPVQN6i%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000925.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000932.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>vfmBOFH</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7C9C%2BiHiFX70PKOBepTD65B6pa95z8xPVQN6i%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">vfmbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:02:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#926">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#926">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#926">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#926">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> + +><i> Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/1 atilla ontas +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A> +</I>>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>>><i> space waste. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>>><i> code names. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Hi all. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community +</I>>><i> what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active +</I>>><i> until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about +</I>>><i> community preferences. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so we must +</I>>><i> be stay in touch about their preferences. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cheers +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Where is the survey? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry, the word is "poll" :P + +Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum. + +You can find the poll at the frontpage: <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/b6b226ba/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#926">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#926">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#926">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#926">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000927.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000927.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e9077e56d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000927.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j2ho%2481j%244%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000924.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000929.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j2ho%2481j%244%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 01:59:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#927">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#927">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#927">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#927">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Personally I use Gnome, so I would rather that Mageia would not become +</I>><i> too KDE-centric. (Actually I use Mozilla Seamonkey instead of Mozilla +</I>><i> Firefox, but that is another question.) +</I>><i> If Kmail/Konqueror is installed by default, then the enormous KDE +</I>><i> libraries must be installed, all of which I (or any other Gnome user) +</I>><i> will have to remove. +</I>><i> If there is a default browser installed, is much better if it is +</I>><i> KDE/Gnome agnostic, like Firefox. +</I>><i> (i.e. does not require either KDE or Gnome.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As far as extensions go, I agree to leave that to the user. With Mozilla +</I>><i> (Firefox or Thunderbird or Seamonkey), any extension can be installed +</I>><i> from inside the program, with a few clics. Even saves making any RPMs +</I>><i> for the extensions. +</I>><i> (I would make localisation extensions an exception.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +I am not sure anymore, but I thought I had read somewhere that Mageia +would be a KDE-centric distro "à la Mandriva", but still offer Gnome +etc. if the user wished to install it. + +Someone? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#927">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#927">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#927">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#927">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000928.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000928.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5363c51e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000928.html @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j3cc%24cmi%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000988.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000966.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j3cc%24cmi%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:14:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#928">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#928">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#928">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#928">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 17:27, andré a écrit : +><i> Hoyt Duff a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, +</I>>><i> andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus on +</I>>>><i> school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on regional +</I>>>><i> gov'ts in Germany. +</I>><i> Here I mean focus in terms of promotion, not in terms of the content of +</I>><i> the DVD. +</I>>><i> Do you have a link to any Mandriva docs that detail how the package +</I>>><i> lists for different "targets" can be created and implemented? +</I>><i> In short, it would be part of creating the installation DVD. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva does not implement this function in a manner useful to our +</I>><i> purposes. +</I>><i> Let me explain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There would be a number of install groups, (for want of a better +</I>><i> expression), all on the same DVD. +</I>><i> Each group will have a list of packages to be installed, which could be +</I>><i> individually selected/deselected as desired. +</I>><i> This is similar to what is already available on a Mandriva install DVD, +</I>><i> with an important difference : install groups would not be mutually +</I>><i> exclusive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In other words, the "education" group (targeting school needs), the +</I>><i> "young family" group (targeting families with young children), and the +</I>><i> "home office" group, would probably all contain, for example, a version +</I>><i> of OpenOffice (be it Go-oo, LibreOffice, or the officiel OpenOffice from +</I>><i> Oracle/Sun). +</I>><i> Currently, on a Mandriva installation DVD, each application is in only +</I>><i> one group.("Server" being one of their groups.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Overlapping installation groups allows us to target many uses on the +</I>><i> same DVD. +</I>><i> We could consider a target as a usage focus. +</I>><i> Many users would have more than one focus -- for example, developers +</I>><i> would want various development tools, as well as maybe "home office" if +</I>><i> they are an independant consultant. +</I>><i> There also could be a multi-level tree. A global group for developers, +</I>><i> with a sub-group for packagers (RPM tools), another for C/C++, another +</I>><i> for Perl, etc. +</I>><i> Or for a potentially more common theme, a global group for education, +</I>><i> with sub-groups for "pre-school/kindergarten", "elementary", +</I>><i> "secondary", "post-secondary". +</I>><i> And these various subgroups would almost necessarily have overlaps. +</I>><i> The possibilities are only limited by our collective imaginations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The more I think of this, I see an advantage of allowing the DVD +</I>><i> installer to access an external group file, (on a usb memory key for +</I>><i> example), for more flexibility on installation. +</I>><i> Especially useful to install the same software selection on a large +</I>><i> number of computers -- without creating a custom installation DVD. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think of the potential :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually, Mandriva did do this, but on a smaller scale, when installing +the ISO you got the the choice of desktop KDE, GNOME or personalized +(<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau</A>). +In the personalized section, you could still choose (in my case) the KDE +but also any other "distro type" of pick that you wanted. It would make +sense to offer the choices here. For example "Gamer"; "Business"; +"Music"; "Video"; "Education" etc. The users could, at this point, +tailor the installation to one that would suit them best according to +their needs. All on one DVD! No need to have multiple type of DVD's. + +This would be simple enough. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#928">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#928">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#928">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#928">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000929.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000929.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..587183c0c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000929.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6i7zqoct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000927.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000936.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6i7zqoct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:20:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#929">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#929">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#929">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#929">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:59:52 +0800, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>寫道: +><i> I am not sure anymore, but I thought I had read somewhere that Mageia +</I>><i> would be a KDE-centric distro "à la Mandriva", but still offer Gnome +</I>><i> etc. if the user wished to install it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Someone? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>Never heard about it. Is it someone wrongly take Mageia as Mandriva? +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#929">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#929">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#929">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#929">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000930.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000930.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c827cdea3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000930.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j3p6%24dpo%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000979.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000945.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j3p6%24dpo%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:20:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#930">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#930">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#930">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#930">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 15:48, Florian Hubold a écrit : +><i> Am 29.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Ahmad Samir: +</I>>><i> On 29 September 2010 21:57, Michael +</I>>><i> Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 05:42:48 André Salaün wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> we can have both packages :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> -- +</I>>>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Nooo! unless you want the guy maintaining the go-oo/libreoffice +</I>>><i> packages to commit suicide :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (Imagine having two bears running loose :)). +</I>><i> @misc: +</I>><i> If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn't +</I>><i> put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes +</I>><i> up to 24 +</I>><i> hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB +</I>><i> IIRC +</I>><i> on a desktop machine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So definitely every OfficeSuite should have at least a small team of +</I>><i> maintainers, +</I>><i> at least thats my opinion, from having helped Ghiuseppe Ghibo ironing out +</I>><i> some packaging/compiling quirks, that was back with OOo 2.2/3/4. +</I>><i> I think it didn't get much slimmer since then. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Florian Hubold +</I>><i> +</I> +If you read about who has signed on to the LibO project, it leaves no +doubt, that once organized, LibreOffice is the package to offer. You can +find the supporters here (more are coming!): +<A HREF="http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/">http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/</A> + +I would vote to offer the LibO as is right from the start. It is working +well for me, and it looks like they are quite organized, they will have +a final product out in no time. They have a lot of user/dev help. + +They have discussion groups on Gmane as well as many mailists on the go. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#930">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#930">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#930">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#930">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000931.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000931.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b9da8fd4a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000931.html @@ -0,0 +1,190 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD133F.20900%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000945.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000935.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD133F.20900%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:24:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#931">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#931">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#931">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#931">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 2 October 2010 14:50, Jérôme Martin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at delaur.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +</I>>>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>>>><i> computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every +</I>>>><i> 6 months or every year. +</I>>>><i> +</I>Just because there is a new version of the distro every 6 months doesn't +mean you have to install it. It just means that there is a truely +stable version every 6 months. Some users will want to upgrade every 6 +months, and some every 2 years (or whatever the maximum support +period). Many may prefer to wait 3 months after release to ensure that +the minor bugs remaining are found. +In the meantime, just use the upgrade functions -- Mandriva, which we +will presumably follow initially allows upgrading for any/all of +security-correctives, other-bug-correctives, general-upgrades, and +backports. + +The advantage of a new version of Mageia every 6 months is that it is a +collection of software that works well (except for inevitable minor +bugs) with versions that work together. Some users, like myself, prefer +to upgrade every 6 months. +Also, new users would prefer to start with a relatively recent stable +version. +Creating a stable version every 6 months is a lot easier than a rolling +distro, or much shorter periods. +Note that individual applications not infrequently encounter major bugs +in a presumably stable version. For a distro, creating frequent stable +versions would be much more problematic. +The down side of stable versions every 6 months is somewhat less recent +software, but those who want more recent can always download a backport. +>><i> My opinion is nearly the same: what is the need to provide a new version each +</I>>><i> 6 months? The marketing point of view is not a valid answer since we do not +</I>>><i> need to satsify shareholders or follow the market. +</I>><i> Yes, but you have a distro to maintain, a reputation to uphold... +</I>><i> +</I>Very important +>><i> So when a new version is needed? My point of view is that a new version is +</I>>><i> needed when a big change will occur for exemple a new major release of KDE or +</I>>><i> gnome, Xorg, perl, python, jdk, ... +</I>>><i> +</I>This would not be workable. Even though many applications do produce +major releases about every 6 months, they rarely coincide. As well as +often being delayed due to unexpected bugs. Do we really want a new +release every few months ? +It is much more useful for a major distribution (as hopefully Mageia +becomes) to have releases at more or less predictable intervals. +>><i> We need to change our view. Actually, the date of the release is decide and +</I>>><i> the deciders (maketting, CEO, CTO, ?) choose which softwares will be include. +</I>>><i> I propose to look at release date of the main softwares and decide when a new +</I>>><i> version will be proposed. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Hmm, no, IINM, that would be the release engineers job. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> For smaller software, we do not need to wait for a new version of the distro. +</I>>><i> Just provide it as we do with the backport repository. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> New version => new features + new bugs; anyone who ran cooker for a +</I>><i> good amount of time have witnessed this fact.... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> And no, rolling distro does mean use cauldron, since the system is not +</I>>><i> supposed to work properly and where critical breakage can appear. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Ah, yes, so you want a rolling release, just like Cauldron will be, +</I>><i> but that's not broken; now how should one go about guaranteeing that +</I>><i> this will actually work out OK? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A rolling distro means double work for the devs and packagers as a new +</I>><i> version may just introduce new bugs too, now they don't provide the +</I>><i> new versions in a controlled development release where you're warned +</I>><i> that "this is a development release not suitable for day-to-day +</I>><i> production machines", or in a "unsupported backports" repo, no, it'll +</I>><i> just go to the stable release too..... +</I>><i> +</I>I would say a lot more than double the work. And more than double the +resources. +><i> Now don't only think about a Mageia installation on a personal +</I>><i> computer, where even if the system is totally hosed you can easily do +</I>><i> a new install or restore a backup (then update to latest), but you +</I>><i> also have to bear in mind users who have servers doing all sorts of +</I>><i> jobs, they want stability over new-shiny-versions; the same goes for +</I>><i> school/university labs... etc. +</I>><i> +</I>And even for personal use, not many would appreciate having to do an +unanticipated reinstall or restore from backup. Particularly those who +want to avoid upgrading their distro every 6 months. ;) + +Rolling distro, anyone ? + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#931">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#931">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#931">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#931">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000932.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000932.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7b14579f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000932.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j449%24f0j%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000926.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000934.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j449%24f0j%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:26:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#932">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#932">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#932">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#932">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community +</I>><i> what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active +</I>><i> until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about +</I>><i> community preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so +</I>><i> we must +</I>><i> be stay in touch about their preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Where is the survey? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, the word is "poll" :P +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can find the poll at the frontpage: <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> +</I> +Thanks. And for those of you who can not speak Spanish, you can use the +Google website translate service to read the website. Here is the site +translated live from Spa->Eng (you can have it translated into any +language with this service) + +<A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblogdrake.net%2F">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblogdrake.net%2F</A> + +Salud! + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#932">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#932">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#932">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#932">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000933.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000933.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f028a4ac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000933.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j4i3%24gd2%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000934.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000924.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j4i3%24gd2%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:34:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#933">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#933">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#933">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#933">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 20:02, vfmBOFH a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A> +</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-06 17:10, vfmBOFH a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2010/10/1 atilla ontas +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A> +</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>> +</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A> +</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>>>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle +</I>><i> model. Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we +</I>><i> should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and +</I>><i> translators won't +</I>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more +</I>><i> mature in a +</I>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese +</I>><i> mirrors +</I>><i> space waste. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming +</I>><i> scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming +</I>><i> scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 +</I>><i> or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi all. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's community +</I>><i> what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be active +</I>><i> until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look about +</I>><i> community preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so +</I>><i> we must +</I>><i> be stay in touch about their preferences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Where is the survey? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, the word is "poll" :P +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can find the poll at the frontpage: <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> +</I> +IMHO, I think such a poll could be mis-leading as it supposes that users +will have experienced "rolling releases", "light rolling release", "LTS" +and the Mandriva "update/upgrade". If enough people vote, the vote will +show the Mandriva way as being preferred as, again, most users do not +have that much experience in different upgrade/update methods. It will +be a closer result if fewer people take part in it. + +I think the distro dev's would be in a better position to explain the +pro's and con's of these different types and explain to we users the +amount of work/development time needed to maintain these. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#933">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#933">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#933">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#933">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000934.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000934.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4d71a2262 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000934.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010062036.39955.futureboy%40delorean.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000932.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000933.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Nathan Wolf</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010062036.39955.futureboy%40delorean.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">futureboy at delorean.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 02:36:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#934">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#934">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#934">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#934">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>My vote, would be 6 to 9 months for a stable, burn-to-DVD release. Doesn't +have to be every 6 months on the nose. + +-Nathan + +On Wednesday, 06 October 2010 20:26:48 Marc Paré wrote: +><i> > Hi all. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > At this time, there is a survey asking to the blogdrake's +</I>><i> > community +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > what kind of release cycle they prefer. This survey will be +</I>><i> > active +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > until the weekend and I think this could be an acceptable look +</I>><i> > about community preferences. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We must keep on mind we're creating a user-oriented distro, so +</I>><i> > we must +</I>><i> > be stay in touch about their preferences. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Cheers +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Where is the survey? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Marc +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sorry, the word is "poll" :P +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Blogdrake is the mandriva's oficial spanish-spoken forum. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You can find the poll at the frontpage: <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks. And for those of you who can not speak Spanish, you can use the +</I>><i> Google website translate service to read the website. Here is the site +</I>><i> translated live from Spa->Eng (you can have it translated into any +</I>><i> language with this service) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog">http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog</A> +</I>><i> drake.net%2F +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salud! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I></PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#934">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#934">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#934">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#934">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000935.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000935.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..92efb4eec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000935.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j69s%24ln6%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000931.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000949.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j69s%24ln6%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:03:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#935">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#935">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#935">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#935">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +>><i> school/university labs... etc. +</I>><i> And even for personal use, not many would appreciate having to do an +</I>><i> unanticipated reinstall or restore from backup. Particularly those who +</I>><i> want to avoid upgrading their distro every 6 months. ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Rolling distro, anyone ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Romain suggest an article describing the pro's and con's of all methods +as we seem to be going around in circles. Then there would be a clearer +picture as to our options. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#935">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#935">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#935">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#935">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000936.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000936.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8ec844495 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000936.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j6kb%24mon%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000929.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000941.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8j6kb%24mon%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:09:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#936">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#936">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#936">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#936">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 20:20, Kira a écrit : +><i> 在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 07:59:52 +0800, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>><i> I am not sure anymore, but I thought I had read somewhere that Mageia +</I>>><i> would be a KDE-centric distro "à la Mandriva", but still offer Gnome +</I>>><i> etc. if the user wished to install it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Someone? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Never heard about it. Is it someone wrongly take Mageia as Mandriva? +</I>><i> +</I> +I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core +dev group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be +principally a KDE distro with offers during installation to install +GNOME and other desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro +where the user eventually picks the desktop sometime during the +installation processs? + +This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#936">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#936">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#936">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#936">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000937.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000937.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..73f96339e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000937.html @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD23F6.3060909%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000982.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000938.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD23F6.3060909%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:35:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#937">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#937">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#937">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#937">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 5 October 2010 19:53, Tux 99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +</I>>>><i> a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +</I>>>><i> sense here. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I give up, i'm not sure if it's a communication problem or if you are +</I>>><i> simply pretending not to understand to wind us up. +</I>>><i> +</I>Actually, Ahmad is not the only one who doesn't seem to understand. +Currently with Mandriva you can update to newer versions of an +application, which often entails updating a large number of packages. I +don't see what this so-called rolling distro would accomplish. + +><i> Well, according to you I don't understand what you're saying, and also +</I>><i> Michael doesn't understand what you're saying, but maybe it's +</I>><i> coincidence? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can only speak for myself though, IMHO, a rolling distro model +</I>><i> wouldn't work well in Mageia. It'll mean more work for packagers and +</I>><i> instead of packagers +</I>><i> concentrating/working-more/giving-more-of-their-free-time before a +</I>><i> release is pushed to polish their packages / fix critical bugs in +</I>><i> them, the workload will increase throughout the whole year, because +</I>><i> new versions are released all the time by upstream. +</I>><i> +</I>I agree +>>><i> It's not I'll-work-my-own-way-and-do-what-I-want, any packager can do +</I>>>><i> so in his own repo/distro. There'll be rules which should be followed +</I>>>><i> even in a community-driven distro, otherwise it'll be chaos. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Sure, guidelines on how to package, but not on what particular package a +</I>>><i> specific packager has to package otherwise it wouldn't be a fun project +</I>>><i> but rather unpaid drudge work. +</I>><i> I was mainly talking about major version upgrades in stable releases, +</I>><i> whether they go to backports or updates, that'll be according to the +</I>><i> policy the project leaders agree on. Packaging policies should always +</I>><i> be used, to maintain the quality of the packages in the distro. +</I>><i> +</I>Right - unless we want Mageia to be known as a hacker's distro :/ +><i> FWIW the argument that a rolling distro will cause less mirror size is +</I>><i> a bit wrong, main/updates + main/backports are always much smaller +</I>><i> than main/release, the same goes for contrib (though contrib/release +</I>><i> is bigger than all other repos put together). +</I>><i> +</I>That reminds me of another point. (Off topic, I know) +The idea of having a core group of essential applications, and putting +everything else (except non-free) into contrib would make the size of +contrib even more unbalanced. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#937">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#937">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#937">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#937">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000938.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000938.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3cfd00330 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000938.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2438.80908%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000937.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000939.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2438.80908%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:36:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#938">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#938">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#938">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#938">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 20:17 +0200, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 5 October 2010 19:53, Tux 99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +</I>>>>><i> a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +</I>>>>><i> sense here. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I give up, i'm not sure if it's a communication problem or if you are +</I>>>><i> simply pretending not to understand to wind us up. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Well, according to you I don't understand what you're saying, and also +</I>>><i> Michael doesn't understand what you're saying, but maybe it's +</I>>><i> coincidence? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Well, let's try to be constructive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For all people interested into having a rolling release or a core based +</I>><i> distribution, I propose that they write a document explaining : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - the release process ( ie, what you put on iso ) +</I>><i> - based on what criteria +</I>><i> - time based ? +</I>><i> - regular snapshot ? +</I>><i> - features based ? +</I>><i> - how to decide what packages are upgraded day to day +</I>><i> - what criteria for what kind of upgrade ( version upgrade, patch +</I>><i> upgrade ) +</I>><i> - what procedure for upgrade ( test stage, direct upgrade ? ) +</I>><i> - for how long +</I>><i> - how are updates built ( ie, against what tree ) +</I>><i> - what packages are not upgraded , unless there is a release, if there +</I>><i> is one +</I>><i> - what criteria warrant the stability of this component +</I>><i> - how do we decide it will be upgraded +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Once people are able to produce this document, we will all be able to be +</I>><i> on the same wavelength. +</I>><i> +</I>Good idea :) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#938">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#938">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#938">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#938">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000939.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000939.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a16703350 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000939.html @@ -0,0 +1,183 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2755.1080606%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000938.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000940.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2755.1080606%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:50:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#939">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#939">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#939">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#939">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 16:27:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 5 October 2010 16:21, Olivier Méjean<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 15:47:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and +</I>>>>>><i> backports for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>>>>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>>>>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>>>>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>>>>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>>>>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> No need to update. What on earth is that feeling that a rolling distro +</I>>>><i> forces users to update ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Really? they wouldn't be interested in security updates at all? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I just say that updating is not something imposed, you are free to update or +</I>><i> not to update, you are free to just install security updates. Either under +</I>><i> fixed or rolling no one is imposed to do updates. When reading the topic i get +</I>><i> the feeling that some think that rolling distro means to be forced to do +</I>><i> updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>>>>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>>>>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>>>>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>>>>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>>>>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>>>>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>>>>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> PCLinuxOS is a rolling distro and is to inexperienced users. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Olivier +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> And nothing breaks? no critical apps get broken in that model? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Personally I haven't use PCLinuxOS before, so can't tell for sure; my +</I>>><i> guess would be yes, stuff break because new versions are prone to +</I>>><i> introduce regressions. Note that this happens in cooker, which is +</I>>><i> indeed a rolling distro. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> From what i've heard (mainly former users of Mandriva who switched to PCLOS +</I>><i> because they did not want to change their distro every 6 months while wishing +</I>><i> to have up-to-date softwares) there is no major break. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Rolling distro does not mean no test for updates or no development version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I find it odd for a user llike me to read that we can have a rolling +</I>><i> distribution unstable, but we can't have a stable rolling distribution +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I>The point is that to ensure that the distro collectively is stable, is a +lot more work than just ensuring that each single application works. +There are a lot of factors, such as timing and interaction between +modules that come into play. The advantage of periodic releases is that +these problems tend to get resolved. +If there is a constant flux of applications, that will be much less the +case. +If you are worried about updating as often (although it isn't a +difficult process), you can always update the distro release once every +12, 18, or 24 months, and depend on security and bug updates (of +course), and whatever backport and other updates wanted in the interim. +The advantage of the current system is that the various applications are +much more likely to play nicely together. + +By the way, I do understand that many users have limited bandwidth for +download. +Maybe some sort of program to distribute Mageia DVDs - for a nominal fee +to cover costs - would be a good idea. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#939">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#939">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#939">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#939">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000940.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000940.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e8a95a8f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000940.html @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2999.5080001%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000939.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000956.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2999.5080001%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 03:59:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#940">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#940">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#940">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#940">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 6 October 2010 05:02, Fernando Parra<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:47:20 +0200 +</I>>><i> Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga-ju+53DPtYRFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>>>>><i> for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>>>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>>>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>>>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>>>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>>>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Please don't write words in my name, I never wrote something like that, security and stability are as important to as for an any other user, but I need the latest version of some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I didn't mean to put words in your mouth; I wasn't talking about you +</I>><i> in particular but about school/university computer labs case in +</I>><i> general. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And what I posted doesn't contradict "I need the latest version of +</I>><i> some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months."; I am +</I>><i> pro backports repos (when possible), but not a rolling distro model. +</I>><i> +</I>Exactly, Fernando, you can install the distro release every 12, 18 or +24 months if you wish. +Just ensure to make security and other bug fixes on a regular basis, and +any backports and other updates you would like, in the interim. +Stable distro releases every 6 months will make Mageia more stable than +a rolling distro, with less effort. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#940">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#940">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#940">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#940">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000941.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000941.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9e3ae5bc1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000941.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8AakipmPzuiBDzwM7BN-%3D7UAUVKc_w%3DzFAaNx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000936.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000948.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8AakipmPzuiBDzwM7BN-%3D7UAUVKc_w%3DzFAaNx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 04:01:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#941">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#941">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#941">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#941">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>><i> group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>><i> a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>><i> desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>><i> eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I> +Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +matter which DE is used? +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#941">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#941">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#941">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#941">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000942.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000942.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3c08b2125 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000942.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2E2D.6010801%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000956.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000943.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD2E2D.6010801%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 04:19:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#942">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#942">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#942">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#942">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Thierry Vignaud wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This would reduce the space requirements on the mirrors and it would mean +</I>>>><i> that Mageia is a "rolling distro" for most apps, making it more attractive +</I>>>><i> compared to ubuntu/Fedora/opensuse and at the same time reduce the workload +</I>>>><i> for packagers. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> No. No space would be saved. +</I>>><i> package foobar-1.1-2mdv2010.1 and foobar-1.1-2mdv2011.0 are _NOT_ the same +</I>>><i> They'll end in different files (different sizes& checksums) b/c: +</I>>><i> - different ENVR +</I>>><i> - different build environement (build against libc+libboo+... of +</I>>><i> 2010.1& 2011.1 respectively) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That's not what i meant, I meant this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is how mandriva currently does it: +</I>><i> release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> updates/foobar-1.1-2mga2010.1 +</I>><i> backports/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is how it would be: +</I>><i> release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> updates/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Basically you drop the backported patch in updates (like I said +</I>><i> earlier, this would only be for apps that don't have child dependencies +</I>><i> and where the new release is not a major new release, just an +</I>><i> incremental release, or at least where it's an evolution not a major +</I>><i> rewrite). +</I>><i> +</I>So you are saying that the same package, with exactly the same name, is +put into updates and backports. Are you sure there wouldn't be a hard +link between the 2 files ? If not, it wouldn't be difficult. +However, wouldn't it be more likely that the backport would be for an +earlier release, with dependancies corresponding to the libraries, etc +of the earlier release ? +In the first case, no saving of space. In the second, additional +libraries, etc would probably have to be installed, which could be a +stability nightmare, as well as saving relatively little space. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#942">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#942">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#942">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#942">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000943.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000943.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..327b70065 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000943.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010070423430.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000942.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000947.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010070423430.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 04:24:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#943">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#943">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#943">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#943">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] andré wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> >Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's not what i meant, I meant this: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is how mandriva currently does it: +</I>><i> > release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> > updates/foobar-1.1-2mga2010.1 +</I>><i> > backports/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This is how it would be: +</I>><i> > release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> > updates/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Basically you drop the backported patch in updates (like I said +</I>><i> > earlier, this would only be for apps that don't have child dependencies +</I>><i> > and where the new release is not a major new release, just an +</I>><i> > incremental release, or at least where it's an evolution not a major +</I>><i> > rewrite). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> So you are saying that the same package, with exactly the same name, is +</I>><i> put into updates and backports. +</I> +I didn't say anything like that. Looker closer at my post. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#943">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#943">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#943">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#943">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000944.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000944.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8c0e22ecc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000944.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD3005.6040905%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000947.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000950.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD3005.6040905%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 04:27:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#944">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#944">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#944">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#944">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> On Wed, 06 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I think you misunderstood the concept proposed, we are not talking about +</I>>>>><i> replacing cooker/cauldron, just merging updates and backports for the +</I>>>>><i> released version. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And then you run "urpmi --auto-select" on your server, and all your web +</I>>>><i> sites stop working because php was updated to a new version which is not +</I>>>><i> 100% compatible with the previous one ... +</I>>>><i> +</I>And you wouldn't appreciate a little excitement from time to time ;) +>><i> Hmm, two things, actually three: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1) I'd never use Mandriva on a server, because of the short support +</I>>><i> period, a server OS requires at least 4-5 years support lifecycles +</I>>><i> (I'm not talking about MES here, just the normal Mandriva variants) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> But you can still use it while it is supported, and upgrade to a newer +</I>><i> realease when it's no more supported. +</I>><i> +</I>But he doesn't like all the work of upgrading to a newer release ... +>><i> 2) from my experience "urpmi --auto-select" does that anyway, it doesn't +</I>>><i> seem to differentiate between updates and backports (unlike drakrpm that +</I>>><i> correctly ignores backports when checking for updates) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That's why backports repository is not enabled by default. +</I>><i> +</I>And in any case, that could be fixed +>><i> 3) I mentioned earlier that the packager would need to use good +</I>>><i> judgement and not include major incompatible version changes +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> There is always some small (and sometimes big) incompatibilities with +</I>><i> new versions. Not always known even by the developers. How should the +</I>><i> packager know about all the incompatibilities ? +</I>><i> +</I>We can all use a little spice in life -- can't we :) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#944">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#944">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#944">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#944">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000945.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000945.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..67b6e56c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000945.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD364A.4070904%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000930.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000931.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD364A.4070904%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 04:54:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#945">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#945">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#945">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#945">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-06 15:48, Florian Hubold a écrit : +</I>>><i> Am 29.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Ahmad Samir: +</I>>>><i> On 29 September 2010 21:57, Michael +</I>>>><i> Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 05:42:48 André Salaün wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> OpenOffice or LibreOffice for Mageia ? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> we can have both packages :) +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> -- +</I>>>>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Nooo! unless you want the guy maintaining the go-oo/libreoffice +</I>>>><i> packages to commit suicide :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> (Imagine having two bears running loose :)). +</I>>><i> @misc: +</I>>><i> If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you +</I>>><i> wouldn't +</I>>><i> put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes +</I>>><i> up to 24 +</I>>><i> hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB +</I>>><i> IIRC +</I>>><i> on a desktop machine. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So definitely every OfficeSuite should have at least a small team of +</I>>><i> maintainers, +</I>>><i> at least thats my opinion, from having helped Ghiuseppe Ghibo ironing +</I>>><i> out +</I>>><i> some packaging/compiling quirks, that was back with OOo 2.2/3/4. +</I>>><i> I think it didn't get much slimmer since then. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regards +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Florian Hubold +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you read about who has signed on to the LibO project, it leaves no +</I>><i> doubt, that once organized, LibreOffice is the package to offer. You +</I>><i> can find the supporters here (more are coming!): +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/">http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would vote to offer the LibO as is right from the start. It is +</I>><i> working well for me, and it looks like they are quite organized, they +</I>><i> will have a final product out in no time. They have a lot of user/dev +</I>><i> help. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They have discussion groups on Gmane as well as many mailists on the go. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Looks great to me too. So far in English. Thinking of contributing to +their French translation, once it is organised. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#945">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#945">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#945">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#945">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000946.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000946.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..201c716f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000946.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD37F9.7020405%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000958.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000978.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD37F9.7020405%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 05:01:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#946">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#946">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#946">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#946">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>>><i> Personally I use Gnome, so I would rather that Mageia would not become +</I>>><i> too KDE-centric. (Actually I use Mozilla Seamonkey instead of Mozilla +</I>>><i> Firefox, but that is another question.) +</I>>><i> If Kmail/Konqueror is installed by default, then the enormous KDE +</I>>><i> libraries must be installed, all of which I (or any other Gnome user) +</I>>><i> will have to remove. +</I>>><i> If there is a default browser installed, is much better if it is +</I>>><i> KDE/Gnome agnostic, like Firefox. +</I>>><i> (i.e. does not require either KDE or Gnome.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As far as extensions go, I agree to leave that to the user. With Mozilla +</I>>><i> (Firefox or Thunderbird or Seamonkey), any extension can be installed +</I>>><i> from inside the program, with a few clics. Even saves making any RPMs +</I>>><i> for the extensions. +</I>>><i> (I would make localisation extensions an exception.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not sure anymore, but I thought I had read somewhere that Mageia +</I>><i> would be a KDE-centric distro "à la Mandriva", but still offer Gnome +</I>><i> etc. if the user wished to install it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Someone? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>I saw that suggestion from somebody (in a post to this or the +mageia-discuss list). Mandriva officially supports both KDE and Gnome, +to my understanding. +Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. +I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. +So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. + +- André (andre999) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#946">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#946">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#946">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#946">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000947.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000947.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b56df3d22 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000947.html @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD3BDD.8080004%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000943.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000944.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD3BDD.8080004%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 05:17:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#947">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#947">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#947">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#947">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] andré wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Tux99 a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That's not what i meant, I meant this: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This is how mandriva currently does it: +</I>>>><i> release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>>>><i> updates/foobar-1.1-2mga2010.1 +</I>>>><i> backports/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This is how it would be: +</I>>>><i> release/foobar-1.1-1mga2010.1 +</I>>>><i> updates/foobar-1.2-1mga2010.1 +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Basically you drop the backported patch in updates (like I said +</I>>>><i> earlier, this would only be for apps that don't have child dependencies +</I>>>><i> and where the new release is not a major new release, just an +</I>>>><i> incremental release, or at least where it's an evolution not a major +</I>>>><i> rewrite). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> So you are saying that the same package, with exactly the same name, is +</I>>><i> put into updates and backports. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I didn't say anything like that. Looker closer at my post. +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry. My error. (Too much time staring at my monitor, evidently. +You're just saying forget about backports. No newer version, if it's +not a major version change. +Some users will be disappointed with that. +Including myself sometimes. + +How would you ensure that the application didn't have child dependancies ? +(Consider the case where the user wishes to install software from +another source, which requires a newer version of an application which +would now be available as a backport.) + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#947">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#947">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#947">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#947">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000948.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000948.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..38f1103c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000948.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286421485.3221.8.camel%40sorteal-desktop%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000941.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000951.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Sorteal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286421485.3221.8.camel%40sorteal-desktop%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 05:18:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#948">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#948">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#948">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#948">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 04:01 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>><i> > group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>><i> > a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>><i> > desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>><i> > eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +</I>><i> dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +</I>><i> to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +</I>><i> matter which DE is used? +</I> +While Mandriva officially supported both GNOME and KDE, I do remember +the last time I tried the GNOME version of Mandriva it was pretty much a +raw GNOME install. It had no changes to the default options such as, a +web browser type of tool bar, and opening new folders in the same +window. After trying to get to a video and finding I now had 5 windows +opened I assumed Mandriva's focus was most assuredly KDE. I admit this +was a while back, so this could all have been addressed already, but it +scared me away from Mandriva-GNOME. Also, while yes, most browsers are +DE independent, Firefox takes a bit of tweeking to work flawlessly +within the KDE DE. Some distros have supplied a very vanilla install +and things such as application associations were rather buggy. Yet, if +it's done right (and Mandriva always did it right) Firefox works great +on KDE as do all the other major browsers, IE excluded of course. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#948">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#948">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#948">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#948">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000949.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000949.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..028a3f505 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000949.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD46D4.8040306%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000935.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000955.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD46D4.8040306%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 06:04:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#949">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#949">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#949">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#949">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> school/university labs... etc. +</I>>><i> And even for personal use, not many would appreciate having to do an +</I>>><i> unanticipated reinstall or restore from backup. Particularly those who +</I>>><i> want to avoid upgrading their distro every 6 months. ;) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Rolling distro, anyone ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain suggest an article describing the pro's and con's of all +</I>><i> methods as we seem to be going around in circles. Then there would be +</I>><i> a clearer picture as to our options. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>I remember reading that. Maybe a sort of discussion summary page, +including this and other issues would be very useful. +On this issue, I think that we will end up going with a system more or +less like the current Mandriva approach. +Of course, such a summary page would tremendously reduce the redundancy +on the list. +And the many issues that repeat across lists as well. + +A discussion summary page for each list ? With references to another +list if useful ? + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#949">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#949">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#949">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#949">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000950.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000950.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a2ce865e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000950.html @@ -0,0 +1,281 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101006232137.1c8fb782.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000944.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000952.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101006232137.1c8fb782.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 06:21:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#950">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#950">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#950">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#950">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:25:13 +0100 +Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne-tobu8poG+uhSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:39:04 Fernando Parra wrote: +</I>><i> > On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:00:46 -0400 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w-XMD5yJDbdMTcBkidbGgD4Q at public.gmane.orgg</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>><i> > > Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: +</I>><i> > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > <gato2707-/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">E1597aS9LQGXtTpemXPTA-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > > >> A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me +</I>><i> > > >> explain. A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular +</I>><i> > > >> as their new versions are available. +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> > > > just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> > > > versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> > > > the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > No rolling release! +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > This is just a fancy word. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > But then, the "goals" of "rolling release" are already accomplished with +</I>><i> > > the current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this +</I>><i> > > functionality: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > backports +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for +</I>><i> > > advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is +</I>><i> > > not broken. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Salut, +</I>><i> > > Sinner +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > That's maybe a solution, backports, but let me be less ambiguous about a +</I>><i> > > different model. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > When a expert group are working in a re-engineering process at any company, +</I>><i> > the first wall that they need to broke is: "Oh, but, this is the way in we +</I>><i> > work since... ¡and it's works fine for us! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sometimes the consultants aren't aware of all the attempts that were made to +</I>><i> fix the issue in the past, and the reasons for their failure, and end up +</I>><i> recommending solutions that are doomed to fail unless other conditions change. +</I> +First of all an apology, this was originally written in Spanish and translated by Google. + +Must first be clear that Mageia is in fact a process of re - engineering Mandriva. All of us here have perfectly clear that things are not working as they should in Mandriva, and if we are consistent we should be clear that there is not only a matter of management. + +Moreover, if we stick to the numbers, something is not working at all well with all Linux distributions, while despite all the virtues and benefits of free software, the number of users is still very small . For example: +<A HREF="http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter">http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter</A> + +><i> +</I>><i> > In the same way the backport method (called different as different distros +</I>><i> > are in this world) is the same since... ¡and it works fine for us! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You didn't reply to my response to your list of favourite applications, which +</I>><i> were, except for Netbeans which is out-of-date in cooker, all provided in +</I>><i> backports. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, why did you not use the packages from backports? Was it because the +</I>><i> concept is flawed? Or, is it because backports aren't advertised well enough to +</I>><i> users? +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually my list almost does not matter, in fact it does not matter at all, because I understand myself as an atypical user. Although I am a teacher, I have a degree in electronics engineering and other in engineering software. And while my particular list does not matter, my experience allows me to see quite clearly both sides of the coin (the end user and developer). + +With the clear intention of showing the point of view of end users, the inexperienced, was how I expressed myself here. As developers continually forget that is what the user wants and focus on what we need. + +I find it obvious that the purpose of a distribution is not to develop everyday applications, however its purpose is to provide the framework on which you can run the latter. + + +><i> Let's first understand the problem completely before re-engineering to fix a +</I>><i> problem that doesn't exist ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Mageia are trying to be different than other distros (as I understand). +</I>><i> > Unfortunately I only have read a lot of answers told me why no (thanks to +</I>><i> > all of you), but any of them made any improvement to my idea, as well +</I>><i> > there aren't any alternative way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First you need to articulate why the current Mandriva method is not working +</I>><i> for you. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > When Mandriva was madded first time, its goal was to be a very user +</I>><i> > friendly distro; a Linux for non technical people. But at now there are a +</I>><i> > new world with a lot of distros with the same goal. For this reason we +</I>><i> > must do our new way. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In example: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > For the same reasons that I have read here, a lot of users never turn on a +</I>><i> > backport repository, with hundreds of packages inside it, but maybe if +</I>><i> > there is another repository called "top 10" or something like that +</I>><i> > (remember I proposed run a poll), these hypothetical users may turn on +</I>><i> > that repository. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is quite difficult, as different users have different perceptions of what +</I>><i> their top 10 packages are. I don't use netbeans or gambas2 or lazarus or +</I>><i> openshot, and hardly ever use wine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For me, the important packages at the moment are: +</I>><i> -xbmc (backported) +</I>><i> -lensfun (backported, by me) +</I>><i> -digikam (backported, by me) +</I>><i> -openldap (backported, usually by me) +</I>><i> -pioneers (backported) +</I>><i> -quassel (backported) +</I>><i> -qtcreator (not backported, but I am using NokiaQtSDK at present) +</I>><i> +</I> +What I do not like Mandriva model (and indeed of any distribution) is that although free software is developed very quickly, once you have installed a distribution, you must wait a cycle to gain access to new versions (not just security patches) and also must pass through the traumatic transition from installing any operating system. Beware! Not for me, and certainly not for you, my only problem with that is time. + +Let me explain with a practical example. A user needs with urgency (without judging their motives) the new version of aMSN to use his video camera, with the current model need to wait for the new operating system version and then install it completely. And to make matters worse this will only work until MS decides to change the protocol again (as I read he has done countless times). + +Assume that a user, who never pass from being a mere user of basic services will even try to understand that is the backports repository or cocker or anything similar, is at best naive. + +I do work continuously with such people, and I have made clear they want solutions as simple as giving a couple of clicks to solve this type of situation. + +I do not use any IM service, personally I find abhorrent subject, like many other modern gadgets, but not going to close my eyes to the reality of their continued use. + +Without being interpreted as an offence, for the same reasons, I think your own list is not important. +The only list that should matter is that determined by a reliable and time hopefully. That list that reflects what the needs of end users. + +><i> > Are there countries with a expensive rates or a slow dial-up connections? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There are many countries where there is insufficient fixed-line infrastructure +</I>><i> for low-cost internet access. In South Africa, although I worked for a Telco, +</I>><i> I could never get DSL (due to cable theft). Mobile broadband was the only +</I>><i> option, starting at R2/MB (approx US$0.30/MB), or maybe R0.20/MB (approx +</I>><i> US$0.03/MB on 2GB/month package). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ADSL penetration is about 1-2%, cellphone penetration is over 80%, mobile +</I>><i> broadband penetration is about 10%. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even on ADSL, many subscribers are on a 2GB (R200, or approx $70 per month) or +</I>><i> 3GB/month package (other packages are available, and topup is possible). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (However, I run a Mandriva mirror which is available after users are capped, +</I>><i> but running Mandriva updates could prevent you from accessing Google, +</I>><i> Facebook, using skype etc.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can find some (outdated, but still useful) statistics on internet access +</I>><i> and pricing here: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-">http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/int_pri_bas_for_int_us_per_mon-price-basket-</A> +</I>><i> us-per-month +</I>><i> +</I> +If we actually stopped to see the problem of Internet access charges, never get to do anything for fear that the final product will not reach users. If this really were a factor, the distributions would never have grown from a few floppy disks, many floppies to a CD, 2 CD, 3 CD and now DVD (Tomorrow 2 DV and so on?). + +><i> +</I>><i> > Surely they are more comfortable with Mageia knowing that they don't need +</I>><i> > to download a 700 MB each six months (surely more if they need to install +</I>><i> > more applications) cause they only need the next version of... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I download once, and update 5 machines, and often provide media to other users +</I>><i> in SA. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > No other distro has an feature like this, it probably become a better offer +</I>><i> > in a very fragmented and competitive world of GNU / Linux distros. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hm, you need to explain this "feature" in much more detail, and indicate all +</I>><i> the pros/cons over the Mandriva style. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I don't want to create any more controversial. I only need one thing of +</I>><i> > you: Before answer me why not. Made a question to your self: What if...? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What if more people actually contributed ... +</I> +Again, without trying to offend: at this stage of Mageia try to think collectively, at least in my humble opinion this is to contribute, do not you think so? + +><i> +</I>><i> /me gets back to working on some Mageia infrastructure. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Buchan +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maintainer of these packages: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14">http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=14</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Regards from Mexico +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#950">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#950">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#950">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#950">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000951.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000951.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa2d6b83c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000951.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD4B06.6050804%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000948.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000967.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAD4B06.6050804%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 06:22:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#951">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#951">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#951">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#951">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Sorteal a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 04:01 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/7 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>>>><i> group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>>>><i> a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>>>><i> desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>>>><i> eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +</I>>><i> dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +</I>>><i> to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +</I>>><i> matter which DE is used? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> While Mandriva officially supported both GNOME and KDE, I do remember +</I>><i> the last time I tried the GNOME version of Mandriva it was pretty much a +</I>><i> raw GNOME install. It had no changes to the default options such as, a +</I>><i> web browser type of tool bar, and opening new folders in the same +</I>><i> window. After trying to get to a video and finding I now had 5 windows +</I>><i> opened I assumed Mandriva's focus was most assuredly KDE. I admit this +</I>><i> was a while back, so this could all have been addressed already, but it +</I>><i> scared me away from Mandriva-GNOME. +</I>For a while Gnome 2 had some problems at first, just as did KDE 4, but +they have been long solved. (The upgrade to Gnome 2 was a major rewrite.) +Most of the things you mention are configuration problems. It might be +a little difficult at first finding exactly where to adjust the specific +settings, but that is to be expected. +><i> Also, while yes, most browsers are +</I>><i> DE independent, Firefox takes a bit of tweeking to work flawlessly +</I>><i> within the KDE DE. Some distros have supplied a very vanilla install +</I>><i> and things such as application associations were rather buggy. Yet, if +</I>><i> it's done right (and Mandriva always did it right) Firefox works great +</I>><i> on KDE as do all the other major browsers, IE excluded of course. +</I>><i> +</I>Firefox also works well with Gnome. + +... Wait a minute ... who said that (ms) IE is a major browser ? ;) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#951">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#951">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#951">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#951">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000952.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000952.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3f44b37fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000952.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Never heard about it. Is it someone wrongly take Mageia as Mandriva? +</I>><i> +</I> +Me too, I never heard anyone saying Mageia will be kde4-centric. + +IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it +has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other +than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for +new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising +too). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#953">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#953">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#953">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#953">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000954.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000954.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..332ef9e7e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000954.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6w3gn4ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000953.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000957.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6w3gn4ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:19:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#954">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#954">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#954">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#954">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>寫道: +><i> IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it +</I>><i> has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other +</I>><i> than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for +</I>><i> new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising +</I>><i> too). +</I>Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don't fit into daily usage, + +after all in the default setting there's Firefox as default browser and + +Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use. + +May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set? + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#954">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#954">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#954">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#954">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000955.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000955.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..42c860f67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000955.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_zJbf_Hcm-kvkR9mRhWBAZa_MKp6hujr3CmXa%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000949.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000959.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_zJbf_Hcm-kvkR9mRhWBAZa_MKp6hujr3CmXa%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:21:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#955">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#955">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#955">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#955">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 02:24, andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On 2 October 2010 14:50, Jérôme Martin<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at delaur.net</A>>  wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do +</I>>>>><i> not +</I>>>>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>>>>><i> computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution +</I>>>>><i> every +</I>>>>><i>  6 months or every year. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Please pay attention when quoting, I didn't say any of those things above ^. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#955">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#955">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#955">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#955">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000956.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000956.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..23670237c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000956.html @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dmqytmv4-4dQcodp3UVUpBJAYbyakVBMmBXTOn%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000940.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000942.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dmqytmv4-4dQcodp3UVUpBJAYbyakVBMmBXTOn%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:24:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#956">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#956">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#956">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#956">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 03:59, andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On 6 October 2010 05:02, Fernando Parra<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>>  wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 15:47:20 +0200 +</I>>>><i> Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> +</I>>>><i>  wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, +</I>>>>><i> Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga-ju+53DPtYRFAfugRpC6u6w at public.gmane.org</A>>  wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and +</I>>>>>><i> backports +</I>>>>>><i> for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>>>>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>>>>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>>>>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>>>>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>>>>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Please don't write words in my name, I never wrote something like that, +</I>>>><i> security and stability are as important to as for an any other user, but I +</I>>>><i> need the latest version of some programs, without upgrade all the distro +</I>>>><i> every 6 months. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I didn't mean to put words in your mouth; I wasn't talking about you +</I>>><i> in particular but about school/university computer labs case in +</I>>><i> general. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And what I posted doesn't contradict "I need the latest version of +</I>>><i> some programs, without upgrade all the distro every 6 months."; I am +</I>>><i> pro backports repos (when possible), but not a rolling distro model. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Exactly,  Fernando, you can install the distro release every 12, 18 or 24 +</I>><i> months if you wish. +</I>><i> Just ensure to make security and other bug fixes on a regular basis, and any +</I>><i> backports and other updates you would like, in the interim. +</I>><i> Stable distro releases every 6 months will make Mageia more stable than a +</I>><i> rolling distro, with less effort. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +Strike two, please pay close attention when quoting replying to quote +the right person... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#956">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#956">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#956">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#956">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000957.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000957.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..949ec5aa4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000957.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DA1wCaLZGEy0G3Smdi2couz5su2%3Dh6MibconVv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000954.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000960.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DA1wCaLZGEy0G3Smdi2couz5su2%3Dh6MibconVv%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:29:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#957">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#957">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#957">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#957">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 07:19, Kira <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it +</I>>><i> has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other +</I>>><i> than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for +</I>>><i> new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising +</I>>><i> too). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don't fit into daily usage, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> after all in the default setting there's Firefox as default browser and +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like +dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares +some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if +konqueror isn't installed). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#957">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#957">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#957">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#957">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000958.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000958.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11da4c537 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000958.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVNrtQKRRG-m5%2BHUJtNivOUx_VcfHhL-uBYeP_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000976.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000946.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marek Laane</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimVNrtQKRRG-m5%2BHUJtNivOUx_VcfHhL-uBYeP_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">bald at smail.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:31:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#958">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#958">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#958">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#958">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/7 Kira <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> 在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:14:46 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A> +</I>><i> >寫道: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, even for kde4 Konqueror shouldn't be the default web browser, it +</I>>><i> has a lot of quirks. Experienced users who want to use anything other +</I>>><i> than the defaults do so all the time; the "defaults" only apply for +</I>>><i> new users (until they gain enough experience and start customising +</I>>><i> too). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Might be my prejudice, but Konqueror don't fit into daily usage, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> after all in the default setting there's Firefox as default browser and +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Konqueror lacks certain functionality which makes it hard to use. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> May be remove it from the default set the KDE4 installation set? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>For KDE, probably better choice is Rekonq now? +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/75f9bdaf/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#958">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#958">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#958">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#958">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000959.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000959.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1135fe211 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000959.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6Jptov%2B%3D%3DrF0X68ug_ua6SNH4HL%2B%2BhLhcqZF9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000955.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000968.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D6Jptov%2B%3D%3DrF0X68ug_ua6SNH4HL%2B%2BhLhcqZF9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:34:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#959">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#959">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#959">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#959">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one +"LTS" with three years of support? + +Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. + +But we could include this "kind of" LTS with 36 month. + +Difference with Ubuntu will be that our LTS will be launched only +after the previous LTS ends its cycle. + +Something like this: <A HREF="http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/">http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/</A> + +My doubt is will Magea community be able to handle the support for +four releases at the same time in semesters when it happen? + +If you add the LTS, should regular release support be reduced to 12 +months? This way, you'll never have more than 3 releases "alive" at +the same time. + + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#959">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#959">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#959">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#959">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000960.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000960.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..828d31e40 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000960.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6xvas4ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000957.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000961.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vj6xvas4ct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 07:36:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#960">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#960">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#960">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#960">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>寫道: +><i> No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like +</I>><i> dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares +</I>><i> some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if +</I>><i> konqueror isn't installed). +</I>><i> +</I>That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn't it? + +Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think + +Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 +(task-kde4), + +not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal). +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#960">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#960">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#960">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#960">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000961.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000961.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b05df0e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000961.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimiowvkiNq6USDvBueKJPMfEzq4XufNtXqOcB6P%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000960.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000964.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimiowvkiNq6USDvBueKJPMfEzq4XufNtXqOcB6P%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">msdobrescu at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 08:11:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#961">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#961">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#961">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#961">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva *started *as KDE centric. AFAIK, +Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva spent an +important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and other +customizations point of view. +As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot. +As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera +occasionally (it's ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to +see Firefox having Chrome's architecture (each tab in its process) and less +memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is +what makes me stick with it). +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/cc27a888/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#961">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#961">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#961">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#961">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000962.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000962.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a7a99734a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000962.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D%3DJL%2Bgpn9XFA6ZVtZP_KzAf4G4ezM2FZPejknP%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001013.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000970.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?</H1> + <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20A%20new%20office%20suite%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D%3DJL%2Bgpn9XFA6ZVtZP_KzAf4G4ezM2FZPejknP%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ?">msdobrescu at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 08:22:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#962">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#962">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#962">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#962">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>If you have ever tried to rebuild/package the whole OOo, then you wouldn't +><i> put that out so lightly. Ahmad really has a point there. Full OOo takes up +</I>><i> to 24 +</I>><i> hours building time and space requirements are in the region of 20-35 GB +</I>><i> IIRC +</I>><i> on a desktop machine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, i'm all for LibreOffice! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Florian Hubold +</I>><i> +</I> +What kind of desktop machine (i.e. CPU, RAM specs)? +I'm with LibreOffice too (has similar story to Mageia after all ;)). +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101007/2cf93f52/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#962">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#962">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#962">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#962">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000963.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000963.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..098b3e43a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000963.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Djc6p6aNEMPta-jX2wq%3Dv_MRXUnHoRivMSfvH7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000965.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001015.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Djc6p6aNEMPta-jX2wq%3Dv_MRXUnHoRivMSfvH7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">dglent at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 09:15:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#963">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#963">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#963">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#963">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/7 Kira <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>> + +><i> 在 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:29:25 +0800, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A> +</I>><i> >寫道: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like +</I>>><i> dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares +</I>>><i> some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if +</I>>><i> konqueror isn't installed). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That part of code should be split as independent share package, isn't it? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also, is it possible to use other browsers to do the same job? I think +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Konqueror should only in the full task package set you install kde4 +</I>><i> (task-kde4), +</I>><i> +</I>><i> not in the core task package set (task-kde4-minimal). +</I>><i> +</I> + +For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and +browser. 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I would like to +</I>><i> see Firefox having Chrome's architecture (each tab in its process) and less +</I>><i> memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is +</I>><i> what makes me stick with it). +</I> + +Don't kill konqueror it's my default ftp client. + +There are already a bunch of Gnome centric distros. + +KDE centric would be no issue nobody else is so in fact it would be a +excellent point of difference. In fact, if it was my decision I'd leave Gnome +to Ubuntu, Redhat, CentOS, Debian, Solaris and all those Gnome centric distros +and concentrate on being the best KDE environment. + +Cheers +GL +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#964">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#964">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#964">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#964">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000965.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000965.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b93d28082 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000965.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinSN%2Bnp209MjnXAP3qpgTotq%2BLR2ufmy-sToH2u%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000964.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000963.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinSN%2Bnp209MjnXAP3qpgTotq%2BLR2ufmy-sToH2u%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 09:43:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#965">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#965">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#965">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#965">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 09:21, Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>> wrote: +><i> On Thursday 07 Oct 2010 19:11:45 Mihai Dobrescu wrote: +</I>>><i> I think that I read somewhere that Mandriva *started *as KDE centric. +</I>>><i> AFAIK, Gnome, KDE and some other popular DE are supported and Mandriva +</I>>><i> spent an important effort to make them look alike from the main menu and +</I>>><i> other customizations point of view. +</I>>><i> As file browsers I like Dolphin, Konqueror and I use Krusader a lot. +</I>>><i> As internet browser, Firefox is my favorite, although I use Opera +</I>>><i> occasionally (it's ergonomic, free but not open sourced). I would like to +</I>>><i> see Firefox having Chrome's architecture (each tab in its process) and less +</I>>><i> memory consumer (this is due to plugins too - the pluggable architecture is +</I>>><i> what makes me stick with it). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Don't kill konqueror it's my default ftp client. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There are already a bunch of Gnome centric distros. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> KDE centric would be no issue nobody else is so in fact it would be a +</I>><i> excellent point of difference.  In fact, if it was my decision I'd leave Gnome +</I>><i> to Ubuntu, Redhat, CentOS, Debian, Solaris and all those Gnome centric distros +</I>><i> and concentrate on being the best KDE environment. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I> +I think all DE's should be supported as much as possible. Even in +Mandriva, which theoretically was a KDE-centric distro, both KDE and +GNOME were equally supported AFAICS. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#965">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#965">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#965">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#965">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000966.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000966.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ed1054f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000966.html @@ -0,0 +1,158 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071003.30708.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000928.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000979.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071003.30708.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 10:03:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#966">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#966">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#966">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#966">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 02:14:03, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-06 17:27, andré a écrit : +</I>><i> > Hoyt Duff a écrit : +</I>><i> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:11 PM, +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >>> So far in simplified terms, for the "education" target, we have focus +</I>><i> >>> on school boards in US/Canada and Australia/New Zealand; focus on +</I>><i> >>> regional gov'ts in Germany. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Here I mean focus in terms of promotion, not in terms of the content of +</I>><i> > the DVD. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> Do you have a link to any Mandriva docs that detail how the package +</I>><i> >> lists for different "targets" can be created and implemented? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In short, it would be part of creating the installation DVD. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Mandriva does not implement this function in a manner useful to our +</I>><i> > purposes. +</I>><i> > Let me explain. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > There would be a number of install groups, (for want of a better +</I>><i> > expression), all on the same DVD. +</I>><i> > Each group will have a list of packages to be installed, which could be +</I>><i> > individually selected/deselected as desired. +</I>><i> > This is similar to what is already available on a Mandriva install DVD, +</I>><i> > with an important difference : install groups would not be mutually +</I>><i> > exclusive. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In other words, the "education" group (targeting school needs), the +</I>><i> > "young family" group (targeting families with young children), and the +</I>><i> > "home office" group, would probably all contain, for example, a version +</I>><i> > of OpenOffice (be it Go-oo, LibreOffice, or the officiel OpenOffice from +</I>><i> > Oracle/Sun). +</I>><i> > Currently, on a Mandriva installation DVD, each application is in only +</I>><i> > one group.("Server" being one of their groups.) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Overlapping installation groups allows us to target many uses on the +</I>><i> > same DVD. +</I>><i> > We could consider a target as a usage focus. +</I>><i> > Many users would have more than one focus -- for example, developers +</I>><i> > would want various development tools, as well as maybe "home office" if +</I>><i> > they are an independant consultant. +</I>><i> > There also could be a multi-level tree. A global group for developers, +</I>><i> > with a sub-group for packagers (RPM tools), another for C/C++, another +</I>><i> > for Perl, etc. +</I>><i> > Or for a potentially more common theme, a global group for education, +</I>><i> > with sub-groups for "pre-school/kindergarten", "elementary", +</I>><i> > "secondary", "post-secondary". +</I>><i> > And these various subgroups would almost necessarily have overlaps. +</I>><i> > The possibilities are only limited by our collective imaginations. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The more I think of this, I see an advantage of allowing the DVD +</I>><i> > installer to access an external group file, (on a usb memory key for +</I>><i> > example), for more flexibility on installation. +</I>><i> > Especially useful to install the same software selection on a large +</I>><i> > number of computers -- without creating a custom installation DVD. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Think of the potential :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Actually, Mandriva did do this, but on a smaller scale, when installing +</I>><i> the ISO you got the the choice of desktop KDE, GNOME or personalized +</I>><i> (<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau</A>). +</I>><i> In the personalized section, you could still choose (in my case) the KDE +</I>><i> but also any other "distro type" of pick that you wanted. It would make +</I>><i> sense to offer the choices here. For example "Gamer"; "Business"; +</I>><i> "Music"; "Video"; "Education" etc. The users could, at this point, +</I>><i> tailor the installation to one that would suit them best according to +</I>><i> their needs. All on one DVD! No need to have multiple type of DVD's. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This would be simple enough. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I> +something like : <A HREF="http://www.juzt-innovations.ie/fedora-linux-backup/linux-">http://www.juzt-innovations.ie/fedora-linux-backup/linux-</A> +fedora-custom-install.jpg + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#966">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#966">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#966">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#966">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000967.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000967.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e0b529651 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000967.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286440036.2902.13.camel%40sorteal-desktop%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000951.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000977.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Sorteal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286440036.2902.13.camel%40sorteal-desktop%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 10:27:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#967">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#967">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#967">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#967">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 00:22 -0400, andré wrote: +><i> Sorteal a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 04:01 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> 2010/10/7 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >>> I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>><i> >>> group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>><i> >>> a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>><i> >>> desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>><i> >>> eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +</I>><i> >> dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +</I>><i> >> to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +</I>><i> >> matter which DE is used? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > While Mandriva officially supported both GNOME and KDE, I do remember +</I>><i> > the last time I tried the GNOME version of Mandriva it was pretty much a +</I>><i> > raw GNOME install. It had no changes to the default options such as, a +</I>><i> > web browser type of tool bar, and opening new folders in the same +</I>><i> > window. After trying to get to a video and finding I now had 5 windows +</I>><i> > opened I assumed Mandriva's focus was most assuredly KDE. I admit this +</I>><i> > was a while back, so this could all have been addressed already, but it +</I>><i> > scared me away from Mandriva-GNOME. +</I>><i> For a while Gnome 2 had some problems at first, just as did KDE 4, but +</I>><i> they have been long solved. (The upgrade to Gnome 2 was a major rewrite.) +</I>><i> Most of the things you mention are configuration problems. It might be +</I>><i> a little difficult at first finding exactly where to adjust the specific +</I>><i> settings, but that is to be expected. +</I>><i> > Also, while yes, most browsers are +</I>><i> > DE independent, Firefox takes a bit of tweeking to work flawlessly +</I>><i> > within the KDE DE. Some distros have supplied a very vanilla install +</I>><i> > and things such as application associations were rather buggy. Yet, if +</I>><i> > it's done right (and Mandriva always did it right) Firefox works great +</I>><i> > on KDE as do all the other major browsers, IE excluded of course. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Firefox also works well with Gnome. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ... Wait a minute ... who said that (ms) IE is a major browser ? ;) +</I> +Firefox works great with GNOME since it's GTK based. I love GNOME, +Ubuntu is my main desktop distro with Mandriva being my work desktop, +and Firefox seems tailor made for GNOME. I'm not sure if its GTK (kind +of) base is the reason some KDE focused distros (Kubuntu, OpenSUSE, and +Linux Mint KDE) have a rough time getting Firefox to work perfectly +right "out-of-the-box". As long as everything works without me having +to configure it to work right I'm perfectly happy using FF as my default +browser. + +Also, yeah I hate that IE is a major browser too. Yet for some reason +60% - 70% of computer users choose it as their main browser. Sad but +true. :-( + +I'm really hoping Mageia focuses on both GNOME & KDE, but I could also +understand if the developers chose to focus on just one for stability +and speed reasons. Guess I just figured it was a KDE-centric distro +since Mandriva seemed to focus so much on it. + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#967">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#967">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#967">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#967">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000968.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000968.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8d32f086e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000968.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimDb%3D-AGQdyysbqu5LswLzwPxQeg4GMx8Vjv%2BZi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000959.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000974.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimDb%3D-AGQdyysbqu5LswLzwPxQeg4GMx8Vjv%2BZi%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 10:55:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#968">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#968">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#968">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#968">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 07:34, Gustavo Giampaoli +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one +</I>><i> "LTS" with three years of support? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But we could include this "kind of" LTS with 36 month. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Difference with Ubuntu will be that our LTS will be launched only +</I>><i> after the previous LTS ends its cycle. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Something like this: <A HREF="http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/">http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My doubt is will Magea community be able to handle the support for +</I>><i> four releases at the same time in semesters when it happen? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you add the LTS, should regular release support be reduced to 12 +</I>><i> months? This way, you'll never have more than 3 releases "alive" at +</I>><i> the same time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</I>><i> +</I>It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone +willing to push an argument in this debate: +<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> + +It is a nice post explaining the existing different point of views +(bonus to clever points about updates frequency and presentation). + +Now, in the same vein, let's put the discussion at rest a little and +have each interested person write down an article with arguments for +the why's and how's. So here is a page for that: +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> + +Please write down your point of view, detail it as explained on the +wiki page, link it and a week from now, everyone involved in the +discussion can have a look at it for a summary. + +That won't trigger a change decision at once (way too soon anyway, we +have to roll a first release to assess our new build system and +infrastructure and organisation) but it may at least lay down all +arguments and allow to have a better view of what everyone understand, +agree on definitions and see what is really at stake here. For later +reference, discussion and decision. + +Thanks a lot. + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#968">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#968">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#968">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#968">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000969.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000969.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7d1fe12c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000969.html @@ -0,0 +1,253 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071020.04290.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000952.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000971.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071020.04290.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 11:20:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#969">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#969">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#969">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#969">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 7 October 2010 05:21:37 Fernando Parra wrote: +><i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:25:13 +0100 +</I> +><i> Must first be clear that Mageia is in fact a process of re - engineering +</I>><i> Mandriva. All of us here have perfectly clear that things are not working +</I>><i> as they should in Mandriva, and if we are consistent we should be clear +</I>><i> that there is not only a matter of management. +</I> +Fine, but we still need to identify the real problems, and potential +solutions. I don't believe a problem has been identified for which the only +solution is a rolling release (of any kind). + +The fact that almost no-one on this list seems to have known about backports +at all doesn't mean that the backports feature is not useful, it may be that +it wasn't accessible enough to end users. + +><i> Moreover, if we stick to the numbers, something is not working at all well +</I>><i> with all Linux distributions, while despite all the virtues and benefits +</I>><i> of free software, the number of users is still very small . For example: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter">http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter</A> +</I> +[...] + +><i> Actually my list almost does not matter, in fact it does not matter at all, +</I>><i> because I understand myself as an atypical user. Although I am a teacher, +</I>><i> I have a degree in electronics engineering and other in engineering +</I>><i> software. And while my particular list does not matter, my experience +</I>><i> allows me to see quite clearly both sides of the coin (the end user and +</I>><i> developer). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With the clear intention of showing the point of view of end users, the +</I>><i> inexperienced, was how I expressed myself here. As developers continually +</I>><i> forget that is what the user wants and focus on what we need. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I find it obvious that the purpose of a distribution is not to develop +</I>><i> everyday applications, however its purpose is to provide the framework on +</I>><i> which you can run the latter. +</I> +[...] + +><i> What I do not like Mandriva model (and indeed of any distribution) is that +</I>><i> although free software is developed very quickly, once you have installed +</I>><i> a distribution, you must wait a cycle to gain access to new versions (not +</I>><i> just security patches) and also must pass through the traumatic transition +</I>><i> from installing any operating system. +</I> +We have already shown that this is patently not the case. The only problems +with the current Mandriva setup are: +-Identifying which packages should be backported +-Making it easier for users to get backports + +><i> Beware! Not for me, and certainly +</I>><i> not for you, my only problem with that is time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let me explain with a practical example. A user needs with urgency (without +</I>><i> judging their motives) the new version of aMSN to use his video camera, +</I>><i> with the current model need to wait for the new operating system version +</I>><i> and then install it completely. And to make matters worse this will only +</I>><i> work until MS decides to change the protocol again (as I read he has done +</I>><i> countless times). +</I> +amsn is regularly backported or sent to updates for MS protocol changes. + +><i> Assume that a user, who never pass from being a mere user of basic services +</I>><i> will even try to understand that is the backports repository or cocker or +</I>><i> anything similar, is at best naive. +</I> +So, how would they get updated software on a different platform? + +><i> I do work continuously with such people, and I have made clear they want +</I>><i> solutions as simple as giving a couple of clicks to solve this type of +</I>><i> situation. +</I> +Start->Tools->System Tools->Configure your Computer->Install/Remove software- +><i>Click first dropdown box and choose backports +</I> +Now, maybe the user interface needs to be improved. For example, maybe there +should be no dropdown box, but instead when searching for a package by name, +it should show you all the versions: + +============================================================================ +Find: | digikam | In: ->Graphical applications |By: ->Package Name +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Package| |Status | Action ++digikam |Security update recommended |Update | +- 1.3.0-1mdv |Installed |Uninstall | +- 1.3.0-1.1mdv |Security Update |Update | +- 1.4.0-4mdv |Unsupported upgrade (backport) |Upgrade | + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +digikam - A KDE ........ + +============================================================================= + + +Alternatively, maybe a "What's new" view? + +Maybe a rating/voting/popularity system should be available, however in the +past people had complained about privacy issues, which I think may have +resulted in little effort being put into completion of drakstats. + +So, maybe a web site should also be developed, which allows users to also +access package rating information, and which provides some kind of +installation feature. + +><i> I do not use any IM service, personally I find abhorrent subject, like many +</I>><i> other modern gadgets, but not going to close my eyes to the reality of +</I>><i> their continued use. +</I> +Well, using an IM service with a non-standardised protocol belongs in the age +of proprietary network services. + +GoogleTalk and Facebook both support XMPP, a standardised protocol ... + +(I use IM a lot, but don't have an MSN account). + +><i> Without being interpreted as an offence, for the same reasons, I think your +</I>><i> own list is not important. The only list that should matter is that +</I>><i> determined by a reliable and time hopefully. That list that reflects what +</I>><i> the needs of end users. +</I> +The point is that there probably can't ever be a definitive list. We need to +make it easier to get information on what users desire to the people who can +provide it to them. + +For example, I *know* some people use openldap backports, but besides other +Mandriva contributors, no Mandriva user has ever indicated that they want it +... + +><i> If we actually stopped to see the problem of Internet access charges, never +</I>><i> get to do anything for fear that the final product will not reach users. +</I>><i> If this really were a factor, the distributions would never have grown +</I>><i> from a few floppy disks, many floppies to a CD, 2 CD, 3 CD and now DVD +</I>><i> (Tomorrow 2 DV and so on?). +</I> +There is a difference between making the distribution unusable by people who +most of the time have limited internet bandwidth, and providing a distribution +that is usable with limited bandwidth after installation but allows users with +more bandwidth to have more up-to-date packages. + +><i> > What if more people actually contributed ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again, without trying to offend: at this stage of Mageia try to think +</I>><i> collectively, at least in my humble opinion this is to contribute, do not +</I>><i> you think so? +</I> +I think one problem Mandriva had was that users refused to believe that: +-Mandriva was open +-Contributors could easily improve the distribution +-Mandriva probably already had most of what they wanted, and if it didn't, +they should do what they can do to help + +For example, many people complained about bugs that get no attention, but *1* +contributor managed to change that perception to some extent. However, if more +people contributed, more bugs would actually be fixed. + +Mandriva the company may have been a barrier to contribution to some, and I +think one of the most important aspects of Mageia is ensuring that +contributors know exactly what happens to their contribution, and knowing that +the financial state of a company does not impact the future availability of +the project to which they contributed. + +However, I believe that the way packages and releases were managed from a +technical perspective is better than in many other distros, and I don't want +to see us throw out methods that were technically sound, but were just not +known by many users. + +I don't believe that merely changing to some kind of rolling release will +improve matters for end users, they will just be more confused when they find +out that to install database support for OpenOffice.org, they need to upgrade +all of OpenOffice.org (taking an hour to download ~ 70MB), instead of just +being able to install openoffice.org-base (with a 2 minute download of 2MB). + +The problem is to make it *easier* for users to get new versions of software, +not to force everyone to upgrade constantly. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#969">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#969">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#969">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#969">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000970.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000970.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..45e3777f5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000970.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071026.33175.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000962.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000973.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071026.33175.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 11:26:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#970">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#970">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#970">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#970">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday, 6 October 2010 16:02:59 Eatdirt wrote: +><i> On 06/10/10 15:09, Buchan Milne wrote: +</I>><i> > And if you need one specific new package, you will need to upgrade the +</I>><i> > majority of your distribution ... +</I>><i> > And it is only useful to< 1% of the global population. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > We don't want the entire Mageia userbase to be almost identical to the +</I>><i> > number of people who actually run cooker. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with all your comments; but I also think that this is very sexy. +</I>><i> Gentoo is doing this kind of stuff no? +</I> +Do you think we should make Gentoo users the only target market? + +Sorry, but I don't know anyone who runs Gentoo anymore, most of them got fed +up because every time they wanted to install something, many other packages +had to be rebuilt. Trying to support new users on it is difficult, because +almost everyone's installation is different. + +><i> If all pro around are against this, I think we should at least be able +</I>><i> to upgrade a version directly from urpmi without the boot iso CD story! +</I> +Well, this has been possible since at least Mandrake 9.0, maybe even before +(8.1? 8.2?), and since about 2009.0 has been available even without using the +command line. + +So, I don't see what you are arguing for ... + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#970">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#970">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#970">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#970">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000971.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000971.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5fcfd1065 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000971.html @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071136.41991.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000969.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000972.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071136.41991.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 11:36:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#971">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#971">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#971">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#971">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit : +><i> The fact that almost no-one on this list seems to have known about backports +</I>><i> at all doesn't mean that the backports feature is not useful, it may be that +</I>><i> it wasn't accessible enough to end users. +</I> ++1 + +><i> Now, maybe the user interface needs to be improved. For example, maybe there +</I>><i> should be no dropdown box, but instead when searching for a package by name, +</I>><i> it should show you all the versions: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ============================================================================ +</I>><i> Find: | digikam | In: ->Graphical applications |By: ->Package Name +</I>><i> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> Package| |Status | Action +</I>><i> +digikam |Security update recommended |Update | +</I>><i> - 1.3.0-1mdv |Installed |Uninstall | +</I>><i> - 1.3.0-1.1mdv |Security Update |Update | +</I>><i> - 1.4.0-4mdv |Unsupported upgrade (backport) |Upgrade | +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> digikam - A KDE ........ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ============================================================================= +</I> ++1 + + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Alternatively, maybe a "What's new" view? +</I> +Oh yes, let's do it ! + +><i> +</I>><i> Maybe a rating/voting/popularity system should be available, however in the +</I>><i> past people had complained about privacy issues, which I think may have +</I>><i> resulted in little effort being put into completion of drakstats. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, maybe a web site should also be developed, which allows users to also +</I>><i> access package rating information, and which provides some kind of +</I>><i> installation feature. +</I> +Yes this web site could : +- allow package rating +- show download stats (if possible) +- show recent versions updates (with the highest rating packages more visible than an obscure lib :)) +- allow backport / new package requests (I know, bugzilla used to be the place where you did that previously, but can't we find a way to link both). This way packagers would have more visibility on the user's needs. + +><i> I think one problem Mandriva had was that users refused to believe that: +</I>><i> -Mandriva was open +</I>><i> -Contributors could easily improve the distribution +</I>><i> -Mandriva probably already had most of what they wanted, and if it didn't, +</I>><i> they should do what they can do to help +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, many people complained about bugs that get no attention, but *1* +</I>><i> contributor managed to change that perception to some extent. However, if more +</I>><i> people contributed, more bugs would actually be fixed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva the company may have been a barrier to contribution to some, and I +</I>><i> think one of the most important aspects of Mageia is ensuring that +</I>><i> contributors know exactly what happens to their contribution, and knowing that +</I>><i> the financial state of a company does not impact the future availability of +</I>><i> the project to which they contributed. +</I>><i> +</I> +OK, buchan, how do we start ? Shall we put improvements proposals (UI, website, ...) on the wiki, on +<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> ? + +><i> +</I>><i> The problem is to make it *easier* for users to get new versions of software, +</I>><i> not to force everyone to upgrade constantly. +</I> ++1 + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#971">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#971">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#971">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#971">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000972.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000972.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f0d0a3154 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000972.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dw%3DuyMs59kcVahzJ38n0z-_WJVBSK7RH6sG7ui%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000971.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000983.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dw%3DuyMs59kcVahzJ38n0z-_WJVBSK7RH6sG7ui%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 12:10:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#972">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#972">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#972">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#972">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:36, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>>><i> Maybe a rating/voting/popularity system should be available, however in the +</I>>><i> past people had complained about privacy issues, which I think may have +</I>>><i> resulted in little effort being put into completion of drakstats. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, maybe a web site should also be developed, which allows users to also +</I>>><i> access package rating information, and which provides some kind of +</I>>><i> installation feature. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes this web site could : +</I>><i> - allow package rating +</I>><i> - show download stats (if possible) +</I>><i> - show recent versions updates (with the highest rating packages more visible than an obscure lib :)) +</I>><i> - allow backport / new package requests (I know, bugzilla used to be the place where you did that previously, but can't we find a way to link both). This way packagers would have more visibility on the user's needs. +</I> +You describe quite what Kiosk was designed for (and what most App +Store are nowadays anyway). + +><i> OK, buchan, how do we start ? Shall we put improvements proposals (UI, website, ...) on the wiki, on +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> ? +</I> +No, these are two different things. Above wiki page is for stating a +perceived problem, and detailing what people view should be (or not +be) done. + +Stating the need for, and specifying/scratching a web-based (or +semi-web-based) UI for a socially augmented software library is +another thing. + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#972">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#972">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#972">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#972">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000973.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000973.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..017c6b178 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000973.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k76j%247sr%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000970.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000992.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Eatdirt</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k76j%247sr%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">dirteat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 12:25:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#973">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#973">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#973">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#973">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/10/10 11:26, Buchan Milne wrote: + +><i> Well, this has been possible since at least Mandrake 9.0, maybe even before +</I>><i> (8.1? 8.2?), and since about 2009.0 has been available even without using the +</I>><i> command line. +</I> +Talking about easy way to do stuff, I have been using mdv since then, I +am gentoo-like user and I never found out this stuff. Just how to tell +you how clear it is and available for normal users. The only thing I +used was urpmi--auto-update from version a to b ending up in serious pbs. + +The other thread would not be so long if the release cycle was not an +issue. So I am arguing as an user, you arguing as what? A sys admin who +likes his system in read-only? + +Cheers, +Chris. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#973">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#973">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#973">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#973">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000974.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000974.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af74a513d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000974.html @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k87i%24955%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000968.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000994.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k87i%24955%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 12:42:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#974">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#974">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#974">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#974">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 04:55, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 07:34, Gustavo Giampaoli +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one +</I>>><i> "LTS" with three years of support? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But we could include this "kind of" LTS with 36 month. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Difference with Ubuntu will be that our LTS will be launched only +</I>>><i> after the previous LTS ends its cycle. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Something like this: <A HREF="http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/">http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My doubt is will Magea community be able to handle the support for +</I>>><i> four releases at the same time in semesters when it happen? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If you add the LTS, should regular release support be reduced to 12 +</I>>><i> months? This way, you'll never have more than 3 releases "alive" at +</I>>><i> the same time. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone +</I>><i> willing to push an argument in this debate: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is a nice post explaining the existing different point of views +</I>><i> (bonus to clever points about updates frequency and presentation). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, in the same vein, let's put the discussion at rest a little and +</I>><i> have each interested person write down an article with arguments for +</I>><i> the why's and how's. So here is a page for that: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please write down your point of view, detail it as explained on the +</I>><i> wiki page, link it and a week from now, everyone involved in the +</I>><i> discussion can have a look at it for a summary. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That won't trigger a change decision at once (way too soon anyway, we +</I>><i> have to roll a first release to assess our new build system and +</I>><i> infrastructure and organisation) but it may at least lay down all +</I>><i> arguments and allow to have a better view of what everyone understand, +</I>><i> agree on definitions and see what is really at stake here. For later +</I>><i> reference, discussion and decision. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks a lot. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +Merci Romain: + +This should help a lot. So perhaps a return to this discussion later (a +a new thread!), with a reference to the wiki page for devs and users +alike? Then Mageia will get a better feel for what is the "hoped" +expectation from the devs and users? If people in the new thread were to +argue a statement, we could then offer them the + + > <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> + +page as reference. + +Sounds great! + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#974">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#974">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#974">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#974">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000975.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000975.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cb2aa44ac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000975.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k989%24gtn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001010.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000981.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k989%24gtn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:00:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#975">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#975">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#975">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#975">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 05:36, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>>><i> The fact that almost no-one on this list seems to have known about backports +</I>>><i> at all doesn't mean that the backports feature is not useful, it may be that +</I>>><i> it wasn't accessible enough to end users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +1 +</I>><i> +</I> +I am amazed and admit at how little I knew of the Backport services, and +I consider myself a little more knowledgeable of the past Mandriva +Distro's. "Backport" should then have been more properly advertised as +what it was really intended, rather than just put on the repo choice in +the MCC. "Backport" for a regular user brings to mind "old releases" +that you would want to keep for some kind of reason. + +I would challenge people to find a regular user who knew what the +"Backport" option was for, you may find some but clearly, they would be +in the minority. Otherwise, it would have been used quite extensively by +users. This is exactly what a user is usually interested in updating +his/her installation. + +I believe this is a case where a person's belief of the word "Backport" +was a commonly understood word in the "user world", which it is +definitely not! + +I have been looking at my Mdv2010.1 installation and sure enough there +are the "Amarok" updates that I was hoping for, and not to mention all +of the others that I was hoping to get at the next distro upgrade. This +is exactly what users look for. + +Could the "Backport" name then be changed to a more appropriate and +descriptive name (along with a proper description of its use)? + + +Marc (using his new version of Amarok!) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#975">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#975">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#975">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#975">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000976.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000976.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1f648b83b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000976.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k9jv%24gtn%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001018.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000958.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k9jv%24gtn%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:06:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#976">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#976">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#976">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#976">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, konqueror is still useful as a file manager (some users don't like +</I>><i> dolphin for some reason), also as a man pages viewer. Also it shares +</I>><i> some code with dolphin (some stuff/features don't work in dolphin if +</I>><i> konqueror isn't installed). +</I>><i> +</I> +I usually use Konqueror as my ftp agent. It works flawlessly. I just +recently started to try Dolphin ((Ctrl-l) brings up the URL field) but +it just kept kicking me off my sites for some reason. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#976">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#976">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#976">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#976">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000977.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000977.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8e44ce956 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000977.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286449855.15513.322.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000967.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000989.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1286449855.15513.322.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:10:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#977">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#977">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#977">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#977">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 23:18 -0400, Sorteal a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 04:01 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> > 2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>><i> > > group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>><i> > > a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>><i> > > desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>><i> > > eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +</I>><i> > dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +</I>><i> > to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +</I>><i> > matter which DE is used? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While Mandriva officially supported both GNOME and KDE, I do remember +</I>><i> the last time I tried the GNOME version of Mandriva it was pretty much a +</I>><i> raw GNOME install. +</I> +Yeah, that's in fact a feature. GNOME was manager by Frederic Crozat, +who is a gnome developer, so he followed quite closely gnome decisions. + +Some people may argue that a distro is here to enhance software, but the +first goal is to distribute. And since everybody think distro should +collaborate more, pushing upstream is exactly this kind of +collaboration. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#977">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#977">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#977">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#977">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000978.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000978.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3378adf6c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000978.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k9qs%24gtn%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000946.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000980.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8k9qs%24gtn%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:10:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#978">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#978">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#978">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#978">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> I saw that suggestion from somebody (in a post to this or the +</I>><i> mageia-discuss list). Mandriva officially supports both KDE and Gnome, +</I>><i> to my understanding. +</I>><i> Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. +</I>><i> I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. +</I>><i> So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +But we still haven't heard from someone on the core Mageia group? Or is +this issue still unsettled? Is there anyone from the core group who +could jump in and straighten us out? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#978">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#978">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#978">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#978">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000979.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000979.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddd12c0d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000979.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ka4u%24kso%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000966.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000930.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8ka4u%24kso%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:15:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#979">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#979">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#979">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#979">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 04:03, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Actually, Mandriva did do this, but on a smaller scale, when installing +</I>>><i> > the ISO you got the the choice of desktop KDE, GNOME or personalized +</I>>><i> > (<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Installer_Mandriva_Free#Choix_du_bureau</A>). +</I>>><i> > In the personalized section, you could still choose (in my case) the KDE +</I>>><i> > but also any other "distro type" of pick that you wanted. It would make +</I>>><i> > sense to offer the choices here. For example "Gamer"; "Business"; +</I>>><i> > "Music"; "Video"; "Education" etc. The users could, at this point, +</I>>><i> > tailor the installation to one that would suit them best according to +</I>>><i> > their needs. All on one DVD! No need to have multiple type of DVD's. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > This would be simple enough. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Marc +</I>>><i> > +</I>><i> something like :<A HREF="http://www.juzt-innovations.ie/fedora-linux-backup/linux-">http://www.juzt-innovations.ie/fedora-linux-backup/linux-</A> +</I>><i> fedora-custom-install.jpg +</I> +Yes. We essentially already have this with the step in the installation +process at the "Pick your desktop": + +KDE(checkbox)..Gnome(checkbox)..Personalized (checkbox) + +(Note that on this page I would have a "Help" link describing what each +of these choices represent) + +But once inside the "Personalized" section, we could have the extra options. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#979">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#979">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#979">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#979">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000980.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000980.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..656ebc38d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000980.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071327.39376.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000978.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000984.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071327.39376.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:27:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#980">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#980">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#980">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#980">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-07 +><i> > Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. +</I>><i> > I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. +</I>><i> > So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. +</I>><i> But we still haven't heard from someone on the core Mageia group? Or is +</I>><i> this issue still unsettled? Is there anyone from the core group who +</I>><i> could jump in and straighten us out? +</I> +I think, it's quite simple. If there are packagers wanting to do KDE, GNOME, +XFCE or LXDE: fine. + +If not: not so fine. + +You don't believe that a packager using GNOME will build KDE just because some +users have the opinion GNOME shell be dropped? +Before that happens this packager will leave to another distro where he can +package GNOME. + +So what is the sense of this descussion? +Remember: this is a community project. you can't force a packager to do, what +he choses not to. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#980">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#980">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#980">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#980">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000981.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000981.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cc50510c0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000981.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071323.44204.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000975.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000985.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071323.44204.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:23:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#981">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#981">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#981">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#981">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 13:00:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> I would challenge people to find a regular user who knew what the +</I>><i> "Backport" option was for, you may find some but clearly, they would be +</I>><i> in the minority. Otherwise, it would have been used quite extensively by +</I>><i> users. This is exactly what a user is usually interested in updating +</I>><i> his/her installation. +</I> +Backport was a media added for Mandriva 2007 in order to provide latest +versions of software. However, backport rpms were (and are) not officially +supported by Mandriva on the contrary of rpms in main (either /main/release or +/main/updates) + +That make sense for a company based distribution to operate such a +discrimination, i am not sure that we have to follow such a way in a +community-driven distribution. + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#981">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#981">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#981">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#981">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000982.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000982.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a001d77f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000982.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286450653.15513.349.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000997.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000937.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286450653.15513.349.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:24:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#982">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#982">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#982">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#982">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 02:34 -0300, Gustavo Giampaoli a écrit : +><i> Could it be possible to use the same schema that Mandriva use + one +</I>><i> "LTS" with three years of support? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regular releases every six months with 18 month support. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But we could include this "kind of" LTS with 36 month. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Difference with Ubuntu will be that our LTS will be launched only +</I>><i> after the previous LTS ends its cycle. +</I> +This would force the upgrade of users if they want to be supported, so +that's not a good idea. + +><i> Something like this: <A HREF="http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/">http://img819.imageshack.us/i/mageiareleases.jpg/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My doubt is will Magea community be able to handle the support for +</I>><i> four releases at the same time in semesters when it happen? +</I>><i> If you add the LTS, should regular release support be reduced to 12 +</I>><i> months? This way, you'll never have more than 3 releases "alive" at +</I>><i> the same time. +</I> +While the reasoning is good, we should first see how much releases can +be supported when we will be able to start to support one. So before +that, all projections are moot. + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#982">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#982">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#982">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#982">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000983.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000983.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a4577165f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000983.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071327.56292.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000972.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001006.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071327.56292.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:27:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#983">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#983">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#983">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#983">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 12:10:11, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:36, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 11:20:04, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Maybe a rating/voting/popularity system should be available, however in the +</I>><i> >> past people had complained about privacy issues, which I think may have +</I>><i> >> resulted in little effort being put into completion of drakstats. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> So, maybe a web site should also be developed, which allows users to also +</I>><i> >> access package rating information, and which provides some kind of +</I>><i> >> installation feature. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yes this web site could : +</I>><i> > - allow package rating +</I>><i> > - show download stats (if possible) +</I>><i> > - show recent versions updates (with the highest rating packages more visible than an obscure lib :)) +</I>><i> > - allow backport / new package requests (I know, bugzilla used to be the place where you did that previously, but can't we find a way to link both). This way packagers would have more visibility on the user's needs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You describe quite what Kiosk was designed for (and what most App +</I>><i> Store are nowadays anyway). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > OK, buchan, how do we start ? Shall we put improvements proposals (UI, website, ...) on the wiki, on +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, these are two different things. Above wiki page is for stating a +</I>><i> perceived problem, and detailing what people view should be (or not +</I>><i> be) done. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Stating the need for, and specifying/scratching a web-based (or +</I>><i> semi-web-based) UI for a socially augmented software library is +</I>><i> another thing. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, it's different, but to me part of the debate on the release cycle. As Buchan stated, better perception of backports by users could bring the benefits that some people see in a rolling release. Plus, I'm not only talking about web-based UI, but also rpmdrake improvements regarding backports. +However, if you think we shouldn't put an entry saying "no rolling release, but improve current backports scheme, see proposal below", I won't do it. + +Regards + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#983">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#983">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#983">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#983">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000984.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000984.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..279b4d208 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000984.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kb71%24pm8%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000980.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000986.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kb71%24pm8%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:33:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#984">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#984">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#984">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#984">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 07:27, Oliver Burger a écrit : +><i> Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-07 +</I>>>><i> Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. +</I>>>><i> I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. +</I>>>><i> So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. +</I>>><i> But we still haven't heard from someone on the core Mageia group? Or is +</I>>><i> this issue still unsettled? Is there anyone from the core group who +</I>>><i> could jump in and straighten us out? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think, it's quite simple. If there are packagers wanting to do KDE, GNOME, +</I>><i> XFCE or LXDE: fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If not: not so fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You don't believe that a packager using GNOME will build KDE just because some +</I>><i> users have the opinion GNOME shell be dropped? +</I>><i> Before that happens this packager will leave to another distro where he can +</I>><i> package GNOME. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So what is the sense of this descussion? +</I>><i> Remember: this is a community project. you can't force a packager to do, what +</I>><i> he choses not to. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks. That makes sense. Sorry, I was still thinking the "Mandriva +corporate" way. So, we are pretty well left at the mercy of the devs +interest with this regard. (I don't mean to sound negative, but more +realist in saying this.) + +Do you know, out of interest, if there are more KDE or Gnome devs +interested in the Mageia project or if this is till too early to tell? + +Also, out of interest, how hard is it to maintain both from a dev point +of view (time-wise etc.)? (I'm sure others will jump in and ask for +other desktop manager here too.) + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#984">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#984">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#984">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#984">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000985.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000985.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7adb3074f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000985.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kbg1%24r00%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000981.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000987.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kbg1%24r00%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:38:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#985">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#985">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#985">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#985">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 07:23, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 13:00:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I would challenge people to find a regular user who knew what the +</I>>><i> "Backport" option was for, you may find some but clearly, they would be +</I>>><i> in the minority. Otherwise, it would have been used quite extensively by +</I>>><i> users. This is exactly what a user is usually interested in updating +</I>>><i> his/her installation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Backport was a media added for Mandriva 2007 in order to provide latest +</I>><i> versions of software. However, backport rpms were (and are) not officially +</I>><i> supported by Mandriva on the contrary of rpms in main (either /main/release or +</I>><i> /main/updates) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That make sense for a company based distribution to operate such a +</I>><i> discrimination, i am not sure that we have to follow such a way in a +</I>><i> community-driven distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> +I have to say though, that after having browsed through the Mdv2010.1 +backports by hand, there is a lot, from a user point of view, that would +interest users. All of the sexy upgrades to software are there. + +I think it would be nice to keep as long as it didn't cause major +problems with the installation. Maybe an option to "roll-back" a +software update would be something to consider for users? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#985">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#985">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#985">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#985">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000986.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000986.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c5856ef8d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000986.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071350.08177.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000984.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000991.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071350.08177.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:50:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#986">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#986">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#986">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#986">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-07 +><i> Thanks. That makes sense. Sorry, I was still thinking the "Mandriva +</I>><i> corporate" way. So, we are pretty well left at the mercy of the devs +</I>><i> interest with this regard. (I don't mean to sound negative, but more +</I>><i> realist in saying this.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you know, out of interest, if there are more KDE or Gnome devs +</I>><i> interested in the Mageia project or if this is till too early to tell? +</I>Looking into the wiki: +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_categories">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_categories</A> there are +more packagers interested in KDE thean the others. Actually there's not a +single packager interested in GNOME which I think is a pitty. Although I do +prefer KDE, I'm using apps from all DEs. I don't see any reason, not to use +some app just because it is from another DE +I hope there will be someone taking over GNOME. (after all I am the guy +building the Ubuntu-netbook-launcher for the German Mandriva community repo +because I do really like the launcher). + +><i> Also, out of interest, how hard is it to maintain both from a dev point +</I>><i> of view (time-wise etc.)? (I'm sure others will jump in and ask for +</I>><i> other desktop manager here too.) +</I>I think the main packagers from one of the DEs are quite bussy with that. +Especially if you try to fit them into a distro specific look and feel. +In this respect it is perhaps a good decision not to customize them too much. +Makes the work much easier. +Packagers as myself who were - at least till now - building only single +applications can do that for any number of DEs as long as they have the time +doing it. + +But I'm not a professional in this respect, I'm just an ambitioned amateur who +is doing his best in the time that's free for me to do so. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#986">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#986">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#986">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#986">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000987.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000987.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..db0c055f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000987.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071355.09586.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000985.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000996.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071355.09586.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 13:55:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#987">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#987">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#987">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#987">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-07 +><i> I have to say though, that after having browsed through the Mdv2010.1 +</I>><i> backports by hand, there is a lot, from a user point of view, that would +</I>><i> interest users. All of the sexy upgrades to software are there. +</I>I have been using the backports as regular repos for years now and some +(solvable) version conflicts with kernel modules put aside, I never had any +problems with them. + +><i> I think it would be nice to keep as long as it didn't cause major +</I>><i> problems with the installation. Maybe an option to "roll-back" a +</I>><i> software update would be something to consider for users? +</I>That would be a nice feature for urpmi. But it's only useful in certain +borders. Sometimes newer versions are changing things about the configuration +in the user's HOME, the older versions can't work with. So there will be +problems with some packages if you do a "rollback upgrade". + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#987">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#987">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#987">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#987">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000988.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000988.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..93c707e16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000988.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C878w2a1a2k.fsf%40lechat.rtp-net.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001008.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000928.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C878w2a1a2k.fsf%40lechat.rtp-net.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">arnaud.patard at rtp-net.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 14:06:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#988">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#988">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#988">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#988">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> writes: + +Hi, + +>><i> I saw that suggestion from somebody (in a post to this or the +</I>>><i> mageia-discuss list). Mandriva officially supports both KDE and Gnome, +</I>>><i> to my understanding. +</I>>><i> Since I came to Mandriva from RedHat, I'm more used to Gnome. +</I>>><i> I've tried KDE; it take a lot more space, and Gnome suits me better. +</I>>><i> So evidently, I'd like Mageia to support both. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But we still haven't heard from someone on the core Mageia group? Or +</I>><i> is this issue still unsettled? Is there anyone from the core group who +</I>><i> could jump in and straighten us out? +</I> +imho, I don't see any reason why one DE should be prefered to one an +other. There will be people working on GNOME or KDE or whatever. Mageia +is handled by a community so this give the possibility to have versions +with KDE or GNOME installed (or something else). We have choices so why +should it be reduced to no choice at all ? + +As regards having it as default/"prefered" choice, it's something else... + + +Arnaud +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#988">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#988">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#988">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#988">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000989.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000989.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c79e9018e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000989.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinNd129EJOtwAvuvFBYTnMhousXf%3DFdNG6UKuTS%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000977.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000953.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinNd129EJOtwAvuvFBYTnMhousXf%3DFdNG6UKuTS%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 14:23:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#989">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#989">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#989">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#989">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 13:10, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 à 23:18 -0400, Sorteal a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 04:01 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> > 2010/10/7 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > I guess this information would have to come from someone from the core dev +</I>>><i> > > group. Just so that we know for sure. So, is Mageia going to be principally +</I>>><i> > > a KDE distro with offers during installation to install GNOME and other +</I>>><i> > > desktops? Or is it going to be a desktop agnostic distro where the user +</I>>><i> > > eventually picks the desktop sometime during the installation processs? +</I>>><i> > > +</I>>><i> > > This may help with this thread on the talk of browsers. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Pls correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know any browser which is DE +</I>>><i> > dependent - well, there's konqueror, if you want to call this "I want +</I>>><i> > to be everything" a browser. But for real browsers, what does it +</I>>><i> > matter which DE is used? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> While Mandriva officially supported both GNOME and KDE, I do remember +</I>>><i> the last time I tried the GNOME version of Mandriva it was pretty much a +</I>>><i> raw GNOME install. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, that's in fact a feature. GNOME was manager by Frederic Crozat, +</I>><i> who is a gnome developer, so he followed quite closely gnome decisions. +</I>><i> +</I> +And KDE was managed by whom? all the Mandriva KDE team were/are KDE developers. + +It's just different packaging philosophies, KDE guys like to customize +stuff (that's a bit generalising); while GNOME guys didn't (note that +the whole GNOME philosophy is "conservative", e.g. in the options in +provides in GUI). Both philosophies had its pros and cons. + +One big advantage of sticking as close to upstream as possible is that +GNOME team in mdv eased their maintenance burdens, which is logical as +they weren't that many and were always overworked (note that fcrozat, +for example, didn't just maintain only GNOME, but many other aspects +of the distro too, including a good number of core stuff). + +><i> Some people may argue that a distro is here to enhance software, but the +</I>><i> first goal is to distribute. And since everybody think distro should +</I>><i> collaborate more, pushing upstream is exactly this kind of +</I>><i> collaboration. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#989">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#989">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#989">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#989">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000990.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000990.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..27781e4ed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000990.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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That makes sense. Sorry, I was still thinking the "Mandriva +</I>>><i> corporate" way. So, we are pretty well left at the mercy of the devs +</I>>><i> interest with this regard. (I don't mean to sound negative, but more +</I>>><i> realist in saying this.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Do you know, out of interest, if there are more KDE or Gnome devs +</I>>><i> interested in the Mageia project or if this is till too early to tell? +</I>><i> Looking into the wiki: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_categories">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#list_of_categories</A> there are +</I>><i> more packagers interested in KDE thean the others. Actually there's not a +</I>><i> single packager interested in GNOME which I think is a pitty. Although I do +</I>><i> prefer KDE, I'm using apps from all DEs. I don't see any reason, not to use +</I>><i> some app just because it is from another DE +</I>><i> I hope there will be someone taking over GNOME. (after all I am the guy +</I>><i> building the Ubuntu-netbook-launcher for the German Mandriva community repo +</I>><i> because I do really like the launcher). +</I>><i> +</I> +Götz Waschk said he'll package for Mageia, it just seems he doesn't +care about putting his names in lists :) + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#991">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#991">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#991">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#991">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000992.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000992.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ef0f3d64b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000992.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] News about the forum + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20News%20about%20the%20forum&In-Reply-To=%3C4CADC22C.2060604%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000973.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000995.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] News about the forum</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20News%20about%20the%20forum&In-Reply-To=%3C4CADC22C.2060604%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] News about the forum">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 14:50:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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You may want to join in and have a say. There is talk of an +incremental update or other methods. + +They are on Gmane too! + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#993">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#993">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#993">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#993">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000994.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000994.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9bfa798a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000994.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHKEncU8W4QaaW41z-tCJTeONr4b4NOqpHz3Xf%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000974.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000997.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimHKEncU8W4QaaW41z-tCJTeONr4b4NOqpHz3Xf%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 15:08:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#994">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#994">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#994">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#994">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone +</I>><i> willing to push an argument in this debate: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I> +Really excellent article. I enjoyed reading it because it's based on +people-from-real-life. + +Even when I'm not developer nor advanced user, I know I'm above basic +users. And sometimes I (and I guess most of us) forget that most +people are like our moms or our sisters (not moms that are software +engineer XDDDD). People who only read their "hotmail" mail, use +messenger, facebook, tweeter, listen some MP3, write a doc for school. + +So, I agree we must bring some order to this "storm". + +Cheers! + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#994">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#994">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#994">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#994">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000995.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000995.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4dd5393d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000995.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] News about the forum + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20News%20about%20the%20forum&In-Reply-To=%3C32f.4cadc760%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000992.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] News about the forum</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20News%20about%20the%20forum&In-Reply-To=%3C32f.4cadc760%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] News about the forum">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 15:13:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#995">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#995">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#995">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#995">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: maat-ml wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 14:50 +><i> +</I>><i> We are currently starting to work on mageia ldap and forum connection. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If properly working that will avoid contributors to have to create +</I>><i> accounts everywhere (forums, build system, bugtracker...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A common web identity manager like <A HREF="http://identity.kde.org">http://identity.kde.org</A> will allow +</I>><i> people to suscribe, manage their passwords and other profile data \o/ +</I> +Sounds great, please try to include mailman into the ldap setup, so that a +registered forum member can also post to the MLs (via the forum ML gw) +without having to subscribe separately to the ML. + +I assume the phpBB3 forum sw has the capability (like most forum sw) to +define various categories of users so that (if necessary) the posting to +some MLs can be restricted to specific categories of users (for exampled +devs). + +While I don't think such restrictions will be necessary, including them in +the planning should calm fears of people who are fear a flooding of the +MLs by hordes of uneducated noobs. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#995">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#995">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#995">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#995">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000996.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000996.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..77d585b17 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000996.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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All of the sexy upgrades to software are there. +</I> +That's my point exactly. + +IMHO , with backports there is no need for +(light/heavy/overweight/vegetarian) rolling distribution. + +As I see it, if you want a rolling distro, just use backports, see if +backports work for you, and if they do not work for you, then explain why +not and why rolling distro will work for you (and how will it work). + +I know that rolling distro, .deb, Ubuntu, synergy, SEO, 2.0 et all are +powerfull marketing words. But have no real value added to Mageia. + +There is no free lunch! To increase results (rolling distro) one must +increase the work (packagers, QA). + +Besides absolute lack of knowledge about backports, I still have failed to +read an answer how backports are not filling the needs for bleeding-edge +users. + +P.S.: Buchan Milne, +10000; you have your beverage of choice paid by me +anytime you come to North Carolina + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#996">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#996">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#996">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#996">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000997.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000997.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2ea2fafb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000997.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin9E1BQABPfdTd4zVYZ1bhKDBZhffjc-5tjs%3DmS%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000994.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000982.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin9E1BQABPfdTd4zVYZ1bhKDBZhffjc-5tjs%3DmS%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 16:04:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#997">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#997">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#997">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#997">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 15:08, Gustavo Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +>><i> It has been posted before but I guess it's a good read for anyone +</I>>><i> willing to push an argument in this debate: +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Really excellent article. I enjoyed reading it because it's based on +</I>><i> people-from-real-life. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even when I'm not developer nor advanced user, I know I'm above basic +</I>><i> users. And sometimes I (and I guess most of us) forget that most +</I>><i> people are like our moms or our sisters (not moms that are software +</I>><i> engineer XDDDD). People who only read their "hotmail" mail, use +</I>><i> messenger, facebook, tweeter, listen some MP3, write a doc for school. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, I agree we must bring some order to this "storm". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</I>><i> +</I> +You keep omitting who you're quoting from the top of your replies... +(the part that should look like "On 7 October 2010 15:08, Gustavo +Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> wrote:" above). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#997">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#997">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#997">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#997">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000998.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000998.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e64b8f6b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/000998.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Otherwise, it would have been used quite extensively by +</I>>><i> users. This is exactly what a user is usually interested in updating +</I>>><i> his/her installation. +</I>><i> Backport was a media added for Mandriva 2007 in order to provide latest +</I>><i> versions of software. However, backport rpms were (and are) not officially +</I>><i> supported by Mandriva on the contrary of rpms in main (either /main/release or +</I>><i> /main/updates) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That make sense for a company based distribution to operate such a +</I>><i> discrimination, i am not sure that we have to follow such a way in a +</I>><i> community-driven distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>You hit the point precisely. Mandriva's backports was a terrific idea +that does not succeed because (1) it is disabled by default and the +means to enable it as an update medium are made obscure by intention and +design and (2) the strange attitude taken, by some maintainers at least, +that anyone using backports is on their own ("Backports are not +supported!"). + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#999">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#999">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#999">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#999">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001000.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001000.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a9d8ca1c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001000.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikpnEGpGRYpE3tDR_E2rvM%3Dj3zm_YKK_%2BF-_xwj%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000998.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001002.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikpnEGpGRYpE3tDR_E2rvM%3Dj3zm_YKK_%2BF-_xwj%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 16:42:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1000">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1000">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1000">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1000">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>IMHO that if we want that "backports" be more "popular", we must stop +promoting like "for advanced users": +<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Advanced_use:_Backports_and_candidate_updates">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Advanced_use:_Backports_and_candidate_updates</A> + +Quote: + +"The testing and backports repositories for each section will be +configured on your system but disabled (they are disabled by default +to ensure you do not install packages from these repositories by +accident, since they could potentially not work as well as those from +the release and updates repositories). To use these repositories, +simply run the Software Media Manager as discussed in #Making more +applications available and check the boxes to enable them. We +recommend that you do not leave either repository permanently enabled, +but enable them if you wish to install a specific package from them, +install the package, and then disable them again." + +If you give this kind of description to non-advanced / geek users, of +course they will be afraid to try backports. And, if they don't try +backports, you'll have lot of people knocking at your door asking for +rolling distro. + +Of course, I'm not saying "let's lie to people". + +If backports are "dangerous", we can't think in tell everyone "you +want updated packages? Try backports" because not everyone will have +the ability to handle problems or system instability. + +But, if backports aren't that dangerous, why to show them with red +lights and warnings? + +Cheers! + + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1000">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1000">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1000">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1000">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..41795c6a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001001.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kmbh%24jm6%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001011.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001014.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8kmbh%24jm6%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 16:44:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1001">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1001">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1001">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1001">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +><i> +</I>><i> P.S.: Buchan Milne, +10000; you have your beverage of choice paid by me +</I>><i> anytime you come to North Carolina +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> ++100000 + +Yay! 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+ +But what about the people who don't need new versions, but want stability +and security updates ? + +For instance, if you're using Mageia on your computer for important +tasks, you don't want everything to change constantly, because every new +version require some testing to check that it is still working for you +(even when it does not introduce new bugs, the behavior of a lot of +software change with new versions). + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1002">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1002">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1002">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1002">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001003.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001003.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0beb812c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001003.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</I> +The updates repo won't be removed since it's still needed for +security updates for the core distro packages, which won't be updated +to newer versions during a release cycle, only the apps that don't have +child dependencies (and where there are no major version changes with +incompatibilities). + +><i> But what about the people who don't need new versions, but want stability +</I>><i> and security updates ? +</I> +As many people here have said already, version updates doesn't +automatically mean instability and/or incompatibilities, in fact such a +risk is very small, as anyone who has used backports in Mdv can confirm. + +Someone who needs absolute stability (for example for important +servers), will always use other distros that specifically focus on that, +like Centos. + +We cannot cater to everyone, I'm assuming that Mageia is primarily an +end-user desktop distro (like Mandriva was) so we might as well improve +it for that purpose. + +If we try to cater for everyone we won't excell in anything, everything +will be compromises and the result will be mediocre. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Mandriva's backports was a terrific idea +</I>><i> that does not succeed because (1) it is disabled by default and the +</I>><i> means to enable it as an update medium are made obscure by intention and +</I>><i> design and (2) the strange attitude taken, by some maintainers at least, +</I>><i> that anyone using backports is on their own ("Backports are not +</I>><i> supported!"). +</I> +Well, when the backport was made without asking to developers first ( as +it happened with gwibber back at mandriva ), yes, the only thing I can +say is "I do not support it, because I didn't do it, nor was able to +test it correctly'. + +If we tell "we do not have the ressources to fully test a backport, so +let's not do it", people are unhappy. +If we say "ok, here it is, but we didn't test, you are on your own", +people are unhappy. + +As said by sinnerBOFH, if people want better backports, this requires +more ressources, there is no magic. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1004">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1004">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1004">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1004">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001005.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001005.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1b5aef62b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001005.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CADE3F1.40905%40panix.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001004.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001012.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Greg Harris</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CADE3F1.40905%40panix.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">glharris at panix.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 17:14:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1005">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1005">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1005">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1005">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 10/7/2010 11:00 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 10:22 -0400, Greg Harris a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> You hit the point precisely. Mandriva's backports was a terrific idea +</I>>><i> that does not succeed because (1) it is disabled by default and the +</I>>><i> means to enable it as an update medium are made obscure by intention and +</I>>><i> design and (2) the strange attitude taken, by some maintainers at least, +</I>>><i> that anyone using backports is on their own ("Backports are not +</I>>><i> supported!"). +</I>><i> Well, when the backport was made without asking to developers first ( as +</I>><i> it happened with gwibber back at mandriva ), yes, the only thing I can +</I>><i> say is "I do not support it, because I didn't do it, nor was able to +</I>><i> test it correctly'. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we tell "we do not have the ressources to fully test a backport, so +</I>><i> let's not do it", people are unhappy. +</I>><i> If we say "ok, here it is, but we didn't test, you are on your own", +</I>><i> people are unhappy. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As said by sinnerBOFH, if people want better backports, this requires +</I>><i> more ressources, there is no magic. +</I>><i> +</I>I certainly agree, and mean no disrespect to you and other maintainers +who generously contribute their time and energy. But the Mandriva +implementation of backports is not a solution for those who want a +continuously updated distro. It works for me and I appreciate that it's +there. But if you are going to design a new and appealing alternative, +the effort required to make backports really known and useful needs to +be taken into account. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1005">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1005">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1005">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1005">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001006.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001006.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19ac07bac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001006.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim7VAfcgWtp_gZ-9PvHsQKghyEC1E1s7P94QuWG%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000983.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001010.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim7VAfcgWtp_gZ-9PvHsQKghyEC1E1s7P94QuWG%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 17:15:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1006">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1006">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1006">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1006">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 13:27, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 12:10:11, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You describe quite what Kiosk was designed for (and what most App +</I>>><i> Store are nowadays anyway). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > OK, buchan, how do we start ? Shall we put improvements proposals +</I>>><i> > (UI, website, ...) on the wiki, on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rollingdebate</A> ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No, these are two different things. Above wiki page is for stating a +</I>>><i> perceived problem, and detailing what people view should be (or not +</I>>><i> be) done. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Stating the need for, and specifying/scratching a web-based (or +</I>>><i> semi-web-based) UI for a socially augmented software library is +</I>>><i> another thing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, it's different, but to me part of the debate on the release cycle. As Buchan +</I>><i> stated, better perception of backports by users could bring the benefits that +</I>><i> some people see in a rolling release. Plus, I'm not only talking about web-based +</I>><i> UI, but also rpmdrake improvements regarding backports. +</I> +Well, rpmdrake is a software library UI. Be it Web-based or not, +that's another issue. + +I totally agree that the library contents and possibilities perception has to be +improved. At least that we need to clarify/simplify/change how +existing/new software +and updates/upgrades are presented to the user. + +Maybe shifting from a strictly system-related point of view (current +rpmdrake UI) +to a more application/task/user-related one. Or maybe it's a deeper issue than +just presentation/UI (like really handling differently how software +gets integrated +and packaged on/above/within the operating system). + +But I just don't know. And I believe we're several in this case. + +It is just not clear at all that this discussion about "rolling" distro, +backports, etc. is directly linked to that. + +So the above linked wiki page is about stating and nailing down the problem +several people here seem to agree there is: + - first, make sure everyone speak about the same thing; so everyone should + state her own point of view, detailed; + - second, work this refined problem in depth, so that we see what is really + the problem, and not only the symptoms; + - third, once the problem is clearly stated, the solution(s) may be more + obvious to see/discute/define. + +Note that at this current stage of discussion, it may as well be that there are +_several_ issues mixed as one. So we could as well split the problem into +relevant parts. + +><i> However, if you think we shouldn't put an entry saying "no rolling release, +</I>><i> but improve current backports scheme, see proposal below", I won't do it. +</I> +You can too. But then let's make sure this is related to the discussion (it may, +I am not sure) and then, let's define the bigger picture that links all this +together (would need a separate section in the wiki page then, or yet another +page to state the big view of the issue). + + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1006">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1006">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1006">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1006">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001007.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001007.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..754a1c55d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001007.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101007151603.GN21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001003.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001009.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101007151603.GN21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 17:16:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1007">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1007">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1007">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1007">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 07 Oct 2010, Tux99 wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> > But what about the people who don't need new versions, but want stability +</I>><i> > and security updates ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As many people here have said already, version updates doesn't +</I>><i> automatically mean instability and/or incompatibilities, in fact such a +</I>><i> risk is very small, as anyone who has used backports in Mdv can confirm. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Someone who needs absolute stability (for example for important +</I>><i> servers), will always use other distros that specifically focus on that, +</I>><i> like Centos. +</I> +They could use Mandriva for good stability (not absolute). Why do you +want to exclude them from Mageia ? + +><i> We cannot cater to everyone, I'm assuming that Mageia is primarily an +</I>><i> end-user desktop distro (like Mandriva was) so we might as well improve +</I>><i> it for that purpose. +</I> +And what makes you think end-users want new versions rather than +stability ? + +I know a lot of people that don't care about new versions, but are very +annoyed when an update breaks something. + +For example me, if I setup a computer for my parents, they ask me when +something is broken so I need to spend some time to fix it. And they +don't care about new versions, they can wait 6 months or 1 year to have +the latest KDE. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1007">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1007">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1007">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1007">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001008.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001008.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..34e5e2c1b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001008.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik8CXpq9g8_E5-AMsU1nC_5Rrro1me6uHiDsFd2%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000991.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000988.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik8CXpq9g8_E5-AMsU1nC_5Rrro1me6uHiDsFd2%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 17:15:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1008">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1008">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1008">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1008">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 7 October 2010 14:35, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Götz Waschk said he'll package for Mageia, it just seems he doesn't +</I>><i> care about putting his names in lists :) +</I> +s/Götz/SuperGötz/ ! +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1008">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1008">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1008">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1008">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001009.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001009.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aacfdf0cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001009.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Why do you +</I>><i> want to exclude them from Mageia ? +</I> +I don't want to exclude anyone, but Mandriva (apart from MES which is a +separate product) never was the best choice for a long-term stable server +install, sure some people used it but it was a small minority compared to +those that use Centos/Redhat, Suse or even Ubuntu LTS. + +We have debated that already earlier in this thread, most people that need +Centos/Redhat like stability also need long-term support which we cannot +provide anyway (at least for now). + +><i> And what makes you think end-users want new versions rather than +</I>><i> stability ? +</I> +Like I mentioned in my previous post (and others here confirmed), many +years of spending on Linux related forums. Most non-geek users just want +to be able to install new app versions, not upgrade the whole distro. + +><i> I know a lot of people that don't care about new versions, but are +</I>><i> very +</I>><i> annoyed when an update breaks something. +</I> +Distro upgrades tend to break a lot more things. + +><i> For example me, if I setup a computer for my parents, they ask me when +</I>><i> something is broken so I need to spend some time to fix it. And they +</I>><i> don't care about new versions, they can wait 6 months or 1 year to +</I>><i> have +</I>><i> the latest KDE. +</I> +I'm repeating myself: we don't want to upgrade the core packages like KDE +between releases, only apps without child-dependencies and where the +upgrade is not a major upgrade with incomaptible changes. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1009">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1009">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1009">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1009">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001010.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001010.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7cba76f53 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001010.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071743.23889.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001006.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000975.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071743.23889.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 17:43:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1010">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1010">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1010">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1010">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 17:15:45, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> So the above linked wiki page is about stating and nailing down the problem +</I>><i> several people here seem to agree there is: +</I>><i> - first, make sure everyone speak about the same thing; so everyone should +</I>><i> state her own point of view, detailed; +</I>><i> - second, work this refined problem in depth, so that we see what is really +</I>><i> the problem, and not only the symptoms; +</I>><i> - third, once the problem is clearly stated, the solution(s) may be more +</I>><i> obvious to see/discute/define. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that at this current stage of discussion, it may as well be that there are +</I>><i> _several_ issues mixed as one. So we could as well split the problem into +</I>><i> relevant parts. +</I>><i> +</I> +I think I see what you mean : you want the thing to be more globally thought that just pointing at some specifif improvements (whatever needed they may be). I'll try to stay in the frame, and will try to show that backports perception indeed has something to do with the feeling that updating your "favorite" applications is impossible or difficult in today's model :) + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1010">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1010">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1010">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1010">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001011.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001011.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..774d9744b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001011.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071825.50958.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001009.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001001.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071825.50958.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 18:25:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1011">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1011">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1011">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1011">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 7 octobre 2010 17:16:03, nicolas vigier a écrit : + +><i> +</I>><i> And what makes you think end-users want new versions rather than +</I>><i> stability ? +</I> +Well ... what about those sotwares whose new versions correct bugs but are not +available for users ? If they correct bugs i may conclude they are more stable +so they should be proposed to users. That's for the theory, in real life it is +very different. Let's take Digikam (yes i love this software, killing +application IMHO). When Mdv 2010 was released (11 months ago) it was +digikam-1.0.0-0.5.2mdv2010.0.x86_64.rpm thought updates i can have +digikam-1.2.0-0.4mdv2010.0.x86_64.rpm and thought backport +digikam-1.2.0-0.2mdv2010.0.x86_64.rpm. So nice done, but what about digikam +1.3 released on june 2010 ? What about digikam 1.4 released on late august +2010 ? These versions add stability by correcting bugs (and if you report a +bug, the first advice is to update to 1.4 if digikam version used for reporting +bug is not 1.4) + +Digikam 1.4 is only available on Mdv 2010.1 as a backport not as an update. + +So my feeling is that there is not necessary a relation between new version +and unstability (ie new version is not stable). I could take the example of +Scribus which latest stable is 1.3.3.14 (so 15 updates correcting bugs since +1.3.3.0, releases which are purely bug fix release), no one would say that +1.3.3.14 is less stable than 1.3.3.3. + +Developers are continuously improving their softwares, mainly by correcting +bugs and adding functionnalities (and they are doing this in the same release, +few exception, Scribus is one with a 4-years old branch updating with only bug +fixes) and they used their last release to work on, so if we want to collabore +efficiently upstream we should provide end-users latest stable versions so they +can use it and report bugs that will be useful for developers. + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1011">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1011">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1011">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1011">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001012.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001012.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..75fab728e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001012.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286469141.15513.422.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001005.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000990.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286469141.15513.422.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 18:32:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1012">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1012">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1012">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1012">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 à 11:14 -0400, Greg Harris a écrit : + +><i> I certainly agree, and mean no disrespect to you and other maintainers +</I>><i> who generously contribute their time and energy. But the Mandriva +</I>><i> implementation of backports is not a solution for those who want a +</I>><i> continuously updated distro. It works for me and I appreciate that it's +</I>><i> there. But if you are going to design a new and appealing alternative, +</I>><i> the effort required to make backports really known and useful needs to +</I>><i> be taken into account. +</I> +Well, that's a long running task. First, we have added meta data to +repository so we could design a better interface for the software ( ie, +how to detect that a packages is a backport and how to see a software is +a update, a test update, or something else ), then we need to implement +the soft, etc. + +You spoke of having backport by default. We used to do it, but too much +people faced issue and complained. So we 1) said the truth, aka backport +didn't have the same rigorous testing 2) disabled it by default. + +Now, if things change ( ie, if we have a process with more QA ), we can +change again. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1012">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1012">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1012">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1012">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001013.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001013.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3906f5380 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001013.html @@ -0,0 +1,159 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071452.15140.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000993.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000962.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010071452.15140.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 15:52:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1013">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1013">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1013">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1013">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday, 7 October 2010 13:27:50 Tux99 wrote: +><i> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Buchan Milne wrote: +</I>><i> > I don't believe that merely changing to some kind of rolling release will +</I>><i> > improve matters for end users, they will just be more confused when they +</I>><i> > find out that to install database support for OpenOffice.org, they need +</I>><i> > to upgrade all of OpenOffice.org (taking an hour to download ~ 70MB), +</I>><i> > instead of just being able to install openoffice.org-base (with a 2 +</I>><i> > minute download of 2MB). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is a misconception, even today with the current Mandriva system the +</I>><i> user has to download the same 70MB, since security updates are not diffs +</I>><i> but whole packages. +</I> +I was speaking about the situation where there is no security update required, +but a new version with new features is available. + +><i> To make it clearer, if the user wants to install oo-base at a later +</I>><i> point with the currend Mdv model he would have to download 20MB +</I> +2MB. + +><i> if there +</I>><i> has been no security updates since release, or 70MB if there has been a +</I>><i> security update in the meantime. +</I> +No, the user has the option of not use the updates media, and the package she +needs is in main/release. + +><i> Exactly the same would be the case with a light rolling distro. +</I> +Depends exactly how it is implemented. Either mirrors are holding all the +packages ever released, or the package the user needs is no longer available. + +><i> People who say that a light rolling distro (i.e. where only app upgrades +</I>><i> are made available mid-cycle, not the core packages) will increase +</I>><i> downloads for users are simply not thinking this through. +</I> +See above. + +><i> No one is forced to download and install the upgrades, a user can just +</I>><i> only install those upgrades which are also security updates, just like +</I>><i> he/she would do with the current Mdv model. +</I> +So all packages ever released have to be on every mirror? + +><i> A security update or an upgrade imply roughly the same download size, +</I>><i> since in both cases the whole package is downloaded again, what differs +</I>><i> is only the version that's being downloaded not the size. +</I> +Well, either you are now either meaning: +-security update policy must be 'in event of vulnerability, upgrade, don't +patch' +or +-keep every single package on every mirror + +As I said previously, a security updates policy is just that, no technical +changes need to be done vs the current Mandriva methods. However, what about +feature upgrades (in software which have no vulnerabilities in the version +shipped with the "big release"). Are you going to deprive users of new +versions, because the package developers were too naive to include a +vulnerability to ensure updates. + +><i> The only real difference between the light rolling distro model +</I>><i> deescribed earlier in this thread by a few people (including myself) and +</I>><i> the current Mdv release model, is that security updates of apps are +</I>><i> provided through version upgrades whenever this is possible, i.e. +</I>><i> when the version upgrade is not a major upgrade with incompatible +</I>><i> changes. +</I> +So, no new versions without vulnerabilities? This sounds worse for users who +want newer packages than the current Mandriva model. + +But, I wonder which of the packages in updates should have been upgraded +instead of patched: + +-apache (I vote no) +-beagle +-bzip2 +-evolution +-lvm +-firefox (upgraded, resulting in xulrunner and yelp requiring updates) +-ghostscript +-git +-gnome-python +-kernel +-kdegraphics +-samba (oden and I usually discuss pros/cons of upgrading, probably about 33% +of the time - especially older releases - we upgrade) +-mysql (I vote no) +-openldap (I vote no, users who need newer can get from backports) +-php (I vote no) +-tomcat (I vote no) + +Sorry, but to compare these cases, we really need real-world examples, so I'm +using Mandriva 2010.1 as the basis for comparison. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1013">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1013">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1013">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1013">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001014.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001014.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe566460e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001014.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C58DFCCF6-2B21-4062-99D4-4E9FF65DD889%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001001.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001016.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>SinnerBOFH</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C58DFCCF6-2B21-4062-99D4-4E9FF65DD889%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 21:00:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1014">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1014">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1014">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1014">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>>><i> P.S.: Buchan Milne, +10000; you have your beverage of choice paid by me +</I>>><i> anytime you come to North Carolina +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Salut, +</I>>><i> Sinner +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +100000 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yay! Can I come too now? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +Sure. Get your penguin-darriere over here and we'll talk shop with beers in our hand. + +Salut, +Sinner +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1014">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1014">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1014">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1014">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001015.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001015.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..97909e4e3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001015.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010072218.04025.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000963.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001017.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010072218.04025.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 22:18:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1015">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1015">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1015">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1015">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On jeudi 07 octobre 2010 at 09:15, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote : +><i> For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and +</I>><i> browser. May be for others too +</I> +Yep, konqueror is my filemanager, web browser, (s)ftp client and quick +previewer (with kparts integration). +It is just great to be able to split a view and have a web page on one side +and an sftp connection on the other to quickly copy linked documents from +the first to the second :-) + +(actually, splitting views is one of my favourite konqueror killer feature) + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1015">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1015">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1015">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1015">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001016.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001016.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cb42fce22 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001016.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8lb01%24t9d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001014.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000999.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8lb01%24t9d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 22:36:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1016">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1016">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1016">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1016">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 15:00, SinnerBOFH a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> P.S.: Buchan Milne, +10000; you have your beverage of choice paid by me +</I>>>><i> anytime you come to North Carolina +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Salut, +</I>>>><i> Sinner +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +100000 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yay! Can I come too now? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sure. Get your penguin-darriere over here and we'll talk shop with beers in our hand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I> +I'll bring along the beer nuts! ... ahem ... and some Canadian beer! + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1016">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1016">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1016">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1016">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001017.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001017.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..346d164b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001017.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8lbac%24v2d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001015.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001019.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8lbac%24v2d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 22:41:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1017">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1017">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1017">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1017">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-07 16:18, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : +><i> On jeudi 07 octobre 2010 at 09:15, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote : +</I>>><i> For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and +</I>>><i> browser. May be for others too +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep, konqueror is my filemanager, web browser, (s)ftp client and quick +</I>><i> previewer (with kparts integration). +</I>><i> It is just great to be able to split a view and have a web page on one side +</I>><i> and an sftp connection on the other to quickly copy linked documents from +</I>><i> the first to the second :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (actually, splitting views is one of my favourite konqueror killer feature) +</I>><i> +</I> +That's how I do it too. Really cool! Also, the KDE4.5.X where you drag +the window into the left side and it re-draws it to a half-monitor size +and you can then open another window with it re-drawing on the other +half. Really efficient! + +However, Dolphin seems to me a little less clunkier than Konqueror. +Which is why I am trying out Dolphin as an ftp agent. I find it +(Dolphin) still a little temperamental and keep going back to Konqueror +though. I do my file managing with Dolphin though. Mdv2010.1 KDE4.5.0. + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1017">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1017">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1017">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1017">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001018.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001018.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab2a56248 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001018.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010081020.46407.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001019.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000976.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C201010081020.46407.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 23:20:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1018">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1018">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1018">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1018">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 08 Oct 2010 09:18:03 Renaud MICHEL wrote: +><i> On jeudi 07 octobre 2010 at 09:15, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote : +</I>><i> > For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager and +</I>><i> > browser. May be for others too +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yep, konqueror is my filemanager, web browser, (s)ftp client and quick +</I>><i> previewer (with kparts integration). +</I>><i> It is just great to be able to split a view and have a web page on one side +</I>><i> and an sftp connection on the other to quickly copy linked documents from +</I>><i> the first to the second :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (actually, splitting views is one of my favourite konqueror killer feature) +</I> +Yep, agreed it is the most versatile piece of kit on my comp, for website +admin it is killer. Page preview, ftp and local directory all in there +together using split screen just rox. + +Nothing else comes close + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1018">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1018">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1018">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1018">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001019.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001019.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3afd893d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/001019.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAE3DF5.5090608%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001017.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001018.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Sorteal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAE3DF5.5090608%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1019">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1019">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1019">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1019">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 10/7/2010 4:41 PM, Marc Paré wrote: +><i> Le 2010-10-07 16:18, Renaud MICHEL a écrit : +</I>>><i> On jeudi 07 octobre 2010 at 09:15, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote : +</I>>>><i> For me, Konqueror is the main application in my system. file manager +</I>>>><i> and +</I>>>><i> browser. May be for others too +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yep, konqueror is my filemanager, web browser, (s)ftp client and quick +</I>>><i> previewer (with kparts integration). +</I>>><i> It is just great to be able to split a view and have a web page on +</I>>><i> one side +</I>>><i> and an sftp connection on the other to quickly copy linked documents +</I>>><i> from +</I>>><i> the first to the second :-) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (actually, splitting views is one of my favourite konqueror killer +</I>>><i> feature) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's how I do it too. Really cool! Also, the KDE4.5.X where you drag +</I>><i> the window into the left side and it re-draws it to a half-monitor +</I>><i> size and you can then open another window with it re-drawing on the +</I>><i> other half. Really efficient! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, Dolphin seems to me a little less clunkier than Konqueror. +</I>><i> Which is why I am trying out Dolphin as an ftp agent. I find it +</I>><i> (Dolphin) still a little temperamental and keep going back to +</I>><i> Konqueror though. I do my file managing with Dolphin though. Mdv2010.1 +</I>><i> KDE4.5.0. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>Why are we even talking about removing Konqueror?? So many people use +it as their default file manager and ftp client that removing it seems +crazy. While I do agree that Konqueror is not the greatest web browser +around and Rekonq is a much better choice for a pure Qt/KDE browser, I +do not think we should be excluding Konqueror at all. Plus, Dolphin +still requires certain parts of Konqueror to function correctly if I'm +not mistaken. + +While at first I found Dolphin rather weak in comparison to Konqueror, +as far as file management went, it has improved over the last couple of +years. Now, I actually prefer Dolphin over Konqueror when it comes to +file management but I still use Konqueror for ftp or when I need a all +in one kind of tool. If Konqueror could render web pages as well as +Rekonq, Firefox, or Chromium I'd definitely use it as my default web +browser. + +Thanks +-Jason +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1019">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1019">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1019">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1019">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..16d787595 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,532 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 7 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>7 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 01:29:11 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 97<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="988"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="941"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="980"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="986"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="987"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="961"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="962"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="973"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="959"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="994"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1000"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="952"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="963"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="999"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1005"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="929"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="954"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="960"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="958"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="964"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1018"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="924"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1015"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="992"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="969"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="970"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1013"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="966"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="981"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1011"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="950"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="925"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="927"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="928"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="930"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="932"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="933"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="935"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="936"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="974"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="975"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="976"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="978"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="979"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="984"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="985"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="993"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1001"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1016"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1017"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="996"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="953"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="955"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="956"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="957"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="965"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="989"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="991"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="997"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="977"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="982"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1004"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1012"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1014"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="948"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="967"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1019"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="943"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="990"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="995"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="998"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1003"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1009"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="971"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="983"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1010"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1008"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="923"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="934"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="931"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="937"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="938"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="939"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="940"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="942"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="944"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="945"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="946"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="947"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="949"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="951"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="968"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="972"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1006"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="926"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1002"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1007"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 23:31:23 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e6175ffe8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,532 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 7 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>7 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 01:29:11 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 97<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="923"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="925"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="924"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="927"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="926"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="928"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="929"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="930"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="931"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="932"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="933"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="934"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="935"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="936"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="937"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="938"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="939"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="940"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="941"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="942"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="943"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="944"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="945"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="946"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="947"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="948"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="949"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="950"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="951"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="952"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="953"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="954"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="955"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="956"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="957"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="958"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="959"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="960"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="961"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="962"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="963"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="964"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="965"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="966"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="967"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="968"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="969"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="970"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="971"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="972"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="973"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="974"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="975"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="976"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="978"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="977"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="979"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="981"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="982"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="980"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="983"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="984"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="985"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="986"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="987"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="988"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="989"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="990"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="991"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="992"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="993"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="994"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="995"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="996"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1013"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="997"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="998"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="999"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1000"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1001"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1002"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1003"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1004"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1005"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1006"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1008"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1007"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1009"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1010"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1011"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1012"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1014"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1015"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1016"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1017"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1018"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1019"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 23:31:23 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 97<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="930"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="945"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="962"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="925"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="924"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="926"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="931"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="932"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="933"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="934"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="935"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="937"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="938"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="939"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="940"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="942"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="943"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="944"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="947"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="949"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="950"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="952"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="955"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="956"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="959"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="968"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="969"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="970"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="971"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="972"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="973"> </A> +<I>Eatdirt +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="974"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="975"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="981"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="982"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="983"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="985"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="987"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="990"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="993"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="994"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="996"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1013"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="997"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="998"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="999"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1000"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1001"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1002"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1003"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1004"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1005"> </A> +<I>Greg Harris +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1006"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1007"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1009"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1010"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1011"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1012"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1014"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1016"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="923"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="928"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="966"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="979"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="992"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-dev] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="995"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="927"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="929"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="936"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="941"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="946"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="948"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="951"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="953"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="954"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="957"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="958"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="960"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="961"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="963"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="964"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="965"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="967"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="976"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="978"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="977"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="980"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="984"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="986"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="988"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="989"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="991"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1008"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1015"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1017"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1018"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1019"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Oct 7 23:39:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 7 23:31:23 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101007/thread.html new file mode 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Target Markets +</A><A NAME="923"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +<!--0 01286409441- --> +<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="925"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286409441-01286409756- --> +<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="926"> </A> +<I>vfmBOFH +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286409441-01286409756-01286411208- --> +<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="932"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286409441-01286409756-01286411208-01286411799- --> +<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="934"> </A> +<I>Nathan Wolf +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286409441-01286409756-01286411650- --> +<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="933"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286409462- --> +<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="924"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<!--0 01286409592- --> +<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="927"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286409592-01286410813- --> +<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="929"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770- --> +<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="936"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876- --> +<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="941"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876-01286421485- --> +<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="948"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876-01286421485-01286425350- --> +<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="951"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876-01286421485-01286425350-01286440036- --> +<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="967"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876-01286421485-01286449855- --> +<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="977"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286413770-01286416876-01286421485-01286449855-01286454189- --> +<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="989"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486- --> +<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="953"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795- --> +<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="954"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365- --> +<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="957"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796- --> +<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="960"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286431905- --> +<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="961"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286431905-01286436064- --> +<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="964"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286431905-01286436064-01286437381- --> +<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="965"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286435754- --> +<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="963"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286435754-01286482683- --> +<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1015"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286435754-01286482683-01286484108- --> +<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1017"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286435754-01286482683-01286484108-01286487541- --> +<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1019"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286429796-01286435754-01286482683-01286486446- --> +<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1018"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429365-01286449599- --> +<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="976"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286410813-01286428486-01286428795-01286429473- --> +<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="958"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286409592-01286420473- --> +<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="946"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820- --> +<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="978"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286450859- --> +<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="980"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286450859-01286451232- --> +<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="984"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286450859-01286451232-01286452207- --> +<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="986"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286450859-01286451232-01286452207-01286454908- --> +<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="991"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286450859-01286451232-01286452207-01286454908-01286464546- --> +<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="1008"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--3 01286409592-01286420473-01286449820-01286453187- --> +<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="988"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286410443- --> +<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="928"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286410443-01286438610- --> +<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="966"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286410443-01286438610-01286450141- --> +<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="979"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286410854- --> +<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="930"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286410854-01286420042- --> +<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A><A NAME="945"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286411071- --> +<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="931"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286411071-01286413434- --> +<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="935"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286411071-01286413434-01286424276- --> +<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="949"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01286411071-01286428894- --> +<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="955"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656- --> +<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="959"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656-01286441702- --> +<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="968"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656-01286441702-01286448178- --> +<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="974"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656-01286441702-01286456928- --> +<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="994"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656-01286441702-01286456928-01286460273- --> +<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="997"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286411071-01286428894-01286429656-01286450653- --> +<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="982"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286415350- --> +<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="937"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286415416- --> +<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="938"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286416213- --> +<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="939"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286416793- --> +<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="940"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286416793-01286429049- --> +<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="956"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286417965- --> +<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="942"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286417965-01286418296- --> +<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="943"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286417965-01286418296-01286421469- --> +<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="947"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286418437- --> +<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="944"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<!--0 01286425297- --> +<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="950"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286425297-01286428466- --> +<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="952"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<!--1 01286425297-01286443204- --> +<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="969"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201- --> +<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="971"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286446211- --> +<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="972"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286446211-01286450876- --> +<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="983"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286446211-01286450876-01286464545- --> +<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1006"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286446211-01286450876-01286464545-01286466203- --> +<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1010"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286449221- --> +<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="975"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286449221-01286450624- --> +<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="981"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<!--3 01286425297-01286443204-01286444201-01286449221-01286450624-01286451521- --> +<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese 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