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Either mirrors are holding all the +packages ever released, or the package the user needs is no longer available. + +><i> People who say that a light rolling distro (i.e. where only app upgrades +</I>><i> are made available mid-cycle, not the core packages) will increase +</I>><i> downloads for users are simply not thinking this through. +</I> +See above. + +><i> No one is forced to download and install the upgrades, a user can just +</I>><i> only install those upgrades which are also security updates, just like +</I>><i> he/she would do with the current Mdv model. +</I> +So all packages ever released have to be on every mirror? + +><i> A security update or an upgrade imply roughly the same download size, +</I>><i> since in both cases the whole package is downloaded again, what differs +</I>><i> is only the version that's being downloaded not the size. +</I> +Well, either you are now either meaning: +-security update policy must be 'in event of vulnerability, upgrade, don't +patch' +or +-keep every single package on every mirror + +As I said previously, a security updates policy is just that, no technical +changes need to be done vs the current Mandriva methods. However, what about +feature upgrades (in software which have no vulnerabilities in the version +shipped with the "big release"). Are you going to deprive users of new +versions, because the package developers were too naive to include a +vulnerability to ensure updates. + +><i> The only real difference between the light rolling distro model +</I>><i> deescribed earlier in this thread by a few people (including myself) and +</I>><i> the current Mdv release model, is that security updates of apps are +</I>><i> provided through version upgrades whenever this is possible, i.e. +</I>><i> when the version upgrade is not a major upgrade with incompatible +</I>><i> changes. +</I> +So, no new versions without vulnerabilities? This sounds worse for users who +want newer packages than the current Mandriva model. + +But, I wonder which of the packages in updates should have been upgraded +instead of patched: + +-apache (I vote no) +-beagle +-bzip2 +-evolution +-lvm +-firefox (upgraded, resulting in xulrunner and yelp requiring updates) +-ghostscript +-git +-gnome-python +-kernel +-kdegraphics +-samba (oden and I usually discuss pros/cons of upgrading, probably about 33% +of the time - especially older releases - we upgrade) +-mysql (I vote no) +-openldap (I vote no, users who need newer can get from backports) +-php (I vote no) +-tomcat (I vote no) + +Sorry, but to compare these cases, we really need real-world examples, so I'm +using Mandriva 2010.1 as the basis for comparison. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-dev] A new office suite ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1013">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1013">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1013">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1013">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |