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+<PRE>Le 30/11/2011 22:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 29 november 2011 00:21:04 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, so :
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 people vote B
+</I>&gt;<i> 0 people vote A
+</I>&gt;<i> 0 people have disagreement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; 100% agreed
+</I>
+Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+
+Do you know some distribution that have done this replacement?
+
+I just quickly look at 3 main distributions;
+- Fedora doesn't seem to have mariadb,
+- OpenSuse has mariadb, but still builds there packages againt mysql,
+- Debian doesn't seem to have mariadb.
+<A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308</A>
+
+and this replacement doesn't seem to be so easy as you claim:
+e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810</A>
+
+Do you agree to fix all the bugs introduced by the replacement of mysql
+by mariadb?
+
+
+When this was discussed a first time on this list, Nicolas Vigier
+proposed to start with mariadb as an alternative:
+&quot;I would start with mariadb as an alternative. Then drop mysql later,
+if/when it's confirmed that mysql is really dead and we could check
+that mariadb is a good replacement.&quot;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html</A>
+
+I agree with this, and I think that it's still a sensible choice.
+
+regards,
+Luc
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 30/11/11 23:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 22:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 29 november 2011 00:21:04 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> give opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, so :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3 people vote B
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0 people vote A
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0 people have disagreement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==&gt; 100% agreed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know some distribution that have done this replacement?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just quickly look at 3 main distributions;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fedora doesn't seem to have mariadb,
+</I>&gt;<i> - OpenSuse has mariadb, but still builds there packages againt mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> - Debian doesn't seem to have mariadb.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and this replacement doesn't seem to be so easy as you claim:
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you agree to fix all the bugs introduced by the replacement of mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> by mariadb?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When this was discussed a first time on this list, Nicolas Vigier
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed to start with mariadb as an alternative:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;I would start with mariadb as an alternative. Then drop mysql later,
+</I>&gt;<i> if/when it's confirmed that mysql is really dead and we could check
+</I>&gt;<i> that mariadb is a good replacement.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with this, and I think that it's still a sensible choice.
+</I>
++1
+
+While I don't envisage any major problems for myself with this, I am
+also a little concerned as mysql is one of the few packages I actually
+rely on for my day job, so I'm a little wary of having the choice
+removed for me (I like to keep minimal differences to the live
+environment where ever possible and while this intention pretty much
+always bogus as I have different versions, but at least at the moment
+it's the same project). It's not a huge deal for me to build my own
+mysql packages if I decide I need them, but I'd certainly rather avoid
+this if possible.
+
+And if you do decide to do it, please do announce it in an official
+thread and gather feedback as Luc mentioned.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 29/11/2011 19:40, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does the idea include removing srpm also?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19978;&#21320;2:07&#65292;&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes it past QA.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not already.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1 (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an update).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think that the one in Mandriva core dumped. It doesn't on Centos, Scientific Linux or Fedora 15.
+I would not update it to anything that core dumps. This was not just a problem on Mandriva but also on Ubuntu, SuSE and Fedora. I don't understand why some people thinks that when it has compiled, it is done considering that this particular core dump was
+very obvious.
+
+Michel
+
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Manuel Hiebel at 29/11/11 22:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to add something in a wiki page: like here
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally (and it's going the same for the bugsquad), for new bugs, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add in cc the committers of the package, but if you don't like that, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can go with the specific groups way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I certainly don't mind being CC'ed in in these cases and it's definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been useful so I'm very much in favour of the bugsquad doing thing until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anything more official gets done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we need something else than what we have now. We can do
+</I>&gt;<i> it like this :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, and someone
+</I>&gt;<i> agrees to act as official maintainer (listed in maintdb), have bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned to him and forward them if needed to other co-maintainers of
+</I>&gt;<i> the package
+</I>&gt;<i> - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, but nobody wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to be official maintainer, so bugsquad forward bugs to last committers
+</I>&gt;<i> of the package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe what we need is something to automatically add people in CC for
+</I>&gt;<i> some packages ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This last point sounds like a really good idea.
+Even without a official maintainer, such packages will get better support.
+Probably less work for the bug squad as well.
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+<PRE>Maybe we should list these changes in wiki, maintained by maintainers
+themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be
+easier to compose.
+&#22312; 2011-12-1 &#19978;&#21320;4:48&#65292;&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> It would be interesting for us to have a sort of weekly report on what has
+</I>&gt;<i> changed in cauldron, the interesting points, important decisions. In
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva-
+</I>&gt;<i> times there was also something like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-">http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> changes-15-february-28-february-2010/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't have to be one person and it doesn't have to be weekly, but
+</I>&gt;<i> something like this assures better visibility of Mageia and could be
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting also for packagers who aren't up 2 date on things (or advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron users)
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+&gt;<i> The ioquake3 package creates a sub package for ioquake3 and each of
+</I>&gt;<i> the supported games, and each of this packages include a script to
+</I>&gt;<i> auto-download the proprietary license game data at first run of the
+</I>&gt;<i> game using the autodownloader program. When any of the games listed
+</I>&gt;<i> above is run, a window will popup displaying the game license and upon
+</I>&gt;<i> agreeing on it, the script will download the game data from a
+</I>&gt;<i> predefined list of mirrors and install it in the proper place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have a question here: currently, the version of the game subpackages
+is the same as the main ioquake3 package (ioquake3-1.36-0.svn2102.0),
+which in my opinion is wrong, as it could confuse users about which
+game version they're installing. The game subpackage should have the
+game version, ie: urbanterror-4.1.1-1 instead of
+urbanterror-1.36-0.svn2102.0
+
+One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
+
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+&gt;<i> I just spoke to Harald about it and he informs me that the git version
+</I>&gt;<i> of dracut does the necessary mounting of /usr, so I'll look into
+</I>&gt;<i> creating a package tonight (hopefully - depends how successful my
+</I>&gt;<i> adventures into plumbing go this evening - my house is getting pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> cold without heating so it's the first priority!) and give you a ping to
+</I>&gt;<i> test. It'll basically involve updating the dracut package and then
+</I>&gt;<i> recreating the initrd as previously mentioned and rebooting, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty easy to test :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Have you done with the update? I saw the update today and remade the
+mkinitrd, but still not working. Same error message.
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+<PRE>Well, that's sort of what was decided for release notes in the meeting
+yesterday. but i'm not talking about release notes, in that same meeting it
+was decided a single person (or a few single persons do a weekly notification
+on what changes in cauldron.)
+
+This is a call for volunteers for that purpose.
+
+Op donderdag 01 december 2011 06:28:15 schreef Funda Wang:
+&gt;<i> Maybe we should list these changes in wiki, maintained by maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to compose.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>[...]
+
+yes, i'll do so, problem is that i didn't get any testing, so i need to put it
+into core/release to get more testing.
+
+if mariadb doesn't work, we can easily switch back by just rebuilding mysql
+and dropping mariadb for that moment.
+
+also, i tested with amarok among others, without a problem
+
+This is the up-coming 5.5 branch, which my plan is to keep testing as we go
+along to mga2
+
+I also have good contacts with upstream about this.
+
+i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's nothing
+more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to opt-out or not.
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+in order to get more testing (mariadb is in core/updates_testing), i've
+decided to submit to cauldron core/release,
+however there lies a problem:
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+Since everything is almost exact with mysql, same files and such, there are
+some library conflicts which would present always a choice if we want both
+mysql and mariadb (in particular libmysqlclient.so.X). Since we also want this
+really used at build/link time one of both versions should be used.
+
+considering that mariadb mysql client works perfectly for both mysql and
+mariadb. and that mysql mysql-client may not work perfectly for local servers
+due to the my.cnf file being used for both client and server (mysql client is
+supported for remote mariadb servers), I'd like to use the mariadb client
+packages.
+
+The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is
+drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement
+of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+
+advantages:
+ - both mariadb and mysql servers are present, people can choose
+disadvantages:
+ - more QA
+ - more work for me
+
+B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+
+advantages:
+ - less work for me
+ - less work for QA
+disadvantages:
+ - mysql is completely gone.
+
+I already posted this on the mariadb testing thread, but got little response,
+So i plan to go with B really. because that'll give the best testing and if
+mariadb isn't good enough, we can still modify mariadb and resubmit mysql. B
+will have the best upgrade test (like for mga1 --&gt; mga2)
+
+For more information regarding this, please read completely the mariadb
+testing thread:
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html</A>
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+Some more bordering information:
+ - mariadb has XtraDB, which is essentially a patched InnoDB (it also supplies
+an exact vanilla InnoDB as a plugin)
+ - mariadb still has myISAM support
+ - mariadb has as a default storage engine Aria (which can be used either as
+transactional and as non-transactional)
+ - the files are exactly the same as mysql, it's still mysqld, mysql for client
+so upgrading issues should be minimal, but still tested, of course.
+
+so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in order to get more testing (mariadb is in core/updates_testing), i've
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to submit to cauldron core/release,
+</I>&gt;<i> however there lies a problem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since everything is almost exact with mysql, same files and such, there are
+</I>&gt;<i> some library conflicts which would present always a choice if we want both
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql and mariadb (in particular libmysqlclient.so.X). Since we also want this
+</I>&gt;<i> really used at build/link time one of both versions should be used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> considering that mariadb mysql client works perfectly for both mysql and
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb. and that mysql mysql-client may not work perfectly for local servers
+</I>&gt;<i> due to the my.cnf file being used for both client and server (mysql client is
+</I>&gt;<i> supported for remote mariadb servers), I'd like to use the mariadb client
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is
+</I>&gt;<i> drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement
+</I>&gt;<i> of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> advantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- both mariadb and mysql servers are present, people can choose
+</I>&gt;<i> disadvantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more work for me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> advantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- less work for me
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- less work for QA
+</I>&gt;<i> disadvantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mysql is completely gone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I already posted this on the mariadb testing thread, but got little response,
+</I>&gt;<i> So i plan to go with B really. because that'll give the best testing and if
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb isn't good enough, we can still modify mariadb and resubmit mysql. B
+</I>&gt;<i> will have the best upgrade test (like for mga1 --&gt; mga2)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For more information regarding this, please read completely the mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> testing thread:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some more bordering information:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb has XtraDB, which is essentially a patched InnoDB (it also supplies
+</I>&gt;<i> an exact vanilla InnoDB as a plugin)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb still has myISAM support
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb has as a default storage engine Aria (which can be used either as
+</I>&gt;<i> transactional and as non-transactional)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- the files are exactly the same as mysql, it's still mysqld, mysql for client
+</I>&gt;<i> so upgrading issues should be minimal, but still tested, of course.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
+</I>
+we have several critical stuffs working on mysql, can't we wait for
+mga3 to work on this ?
+We already broke a lot of stuffs in cauldron for now ( systemd is the
+more important ). Mikala told that akonadi works with mysql so before
+pushing in core/release i would appreciate you work on this to make
+sure it builds/works with mariadb.
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+can you ?
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+<PRE>Le 01/12/2011 08:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 00:28:34 schreef Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, i'll do so, problem is that i didn't get any testing, so i need to put it
+</I>&gt;<i> into core/release to get more testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if mariadb doesn't work, we can easily switch back by just rebuilding mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> and dropping mariadb for that moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, i tested with amarok among others, without a problem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the up-coming 5.5 branch, which my plan is to keep testing as we go
+</I>&gt;<i> along to mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also have good contacts with upstream about this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to opt-out or not.
+</I>
+As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
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+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689</A>
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+Is it possible not passing files marked as %doc into autoreq finding,
+in rpm's source?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is
+</I>&gt;<i> drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement
+</I>&gt;<i> of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>
+I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+the update-alternatives system.
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+It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
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+In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+
+While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+best route forward for mga2 at least.
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+%apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
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+Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+
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+Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+they can just be dropped completely?
+
+Col
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>
+I think it was pixel
+
+&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>
+I use them when updating patches
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 05:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Have you done with the update?
+</I>
+Yeah. I even CC'ed you in on a mail about it! Perhaps by CC'ing you it
+broke your filtering and made the mail *less* obvious... backfire if it
+did! Won't CC you this time and let you get it from the list :)
+
+&gt;<i> I saw the update today and remade the
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd, but still not working. Same error message.
+</I>
+Hmm, bummer.
+
+I have updated the package again, but it shouldn't really make any
+difference. Please update it all the same when it reaches your mirror.
+
+
+Then can you do the following after regenerating the initrd:
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+1. Become root.
+2. mkdir ~/boot
+3. cd ~/boot
+4. zcat /boot/initrd.img | cpio -id # NB replace the initrd file name
+if needed
+5. find lib/modules/*/kernel -type f
+6. ls lib/dracut/hooks/mount/
+7. ls lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/
+
+
+In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+obviously fails for some reason.
+
+
+Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+much a requirement)?
+
+What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+
+Please attach/paste the output from commands 5-7 to your reply.
+
+Cheers and thanks for working through this with me.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>
+Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>
+OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+files it finds.
+
+My work around is just a simple:
+ find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+
+So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+</I>&gt;<i> patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+</I>&gt;<i> files it finds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My work around is just a simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+</I>&gt;<i> but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't remember where ( but i will ask upstream) Panu wrote a mail
+explaining how to do like our %apply_patches but w/o the backups.
+
+So we can have 2 macros, ours ( that i will try to propose upstream )
+and the one proposed by pany w/o the backups ?
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+<PRE>On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+</I>&gt;<i> patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+</I>&gt;<i> files it finds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My work around is just a simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+</I>&gt;<i> but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>
+I think we can have an option quite easily but I don't want to learn lua :)
+
+%apply_patches %{lua: keys = {}; for i, p in ipairs(patches) do
+print(rpm.expand(&quot;%{_patch} -s -p1 -b --suffix &quot; ..
+string.format(&quot;.%04d&quot;, patches_num[p]) .. &quot;
+--fuzz=%{_default_patch_fuzz} -i &quot; .. p .. &quot;\\n&quot;)) end }
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:25:05 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+</I>&gt;<i> called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> obviously fails for some reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes there's the file.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> much a requirement)?
+</I>Yes, /etc is on my root file system
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+</I>&gt;<i> support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>EXT4......No LVM, no RAID....
+
+I had attached the log...
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+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>
+So do I.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>What if packages being installed from console?
+&#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19979;&#21320;10:23&#65292;&quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:58 AM, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please go on. Some ideas :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till
+</I>&gt;<i> end,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's how it currently works. A GTK window shows up at first run
+</I>&gt;<i> displaying the game's license and upon confirmation it will show
+</I>&gt;<i> another window for the game data download, with a progress bar,
+</I>&gt;<i> download speeds etc and an option to switch mirrors (haven't tried it
+</I>&gt;<i> yet).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; first run. It could be run in the post?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well as Pascal said in another email I'm not sure it is a good idea, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think there's nothing wrong with doing the download at first run. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> if we move the download to %pre or %post then we can't use the graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> window which would be a loss in user friendliness IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm almost set to commit my modifications tonight, I have been working
+</I>&gt;<i> on the download and install scripts for Smokin' Guns but the need more
+</I>&gt;<i> testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
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+<PRE>I have a Cauldron box which doesn't start DM when booted - and when I
+check in Drakxservices, and check &quot;start on boot&quot; - it doesn't work
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+Once the machine has started, I can manually start the DM service.
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+BTW, I am NOT using systemd (although it is installed:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep sysvinit
+sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1
+sysvinit-tools-2.87-10.mga1
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep systemd
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+systemd-units-37-13.mga2
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+lib64systemd-login0-37-13.mga2
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# drakxservices
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+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+ systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+ systemd configuration.
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+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+ systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+ systemd configuration.
+
+
+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+ systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+ systemd configuration.
+
+Warning: unit files do not carry install information. No operation
+executed.
+
+Any advice would be welcome -
+
+Thx,
+R.Fox
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+<PRE>2011/12/1 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:19:11 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So do I.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689</A>
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+Thanks for the spec cleanup in that one btw, I thought I wrote a better
+spec (--disable-static, %configure2_5x, etc), but guessed I messed up
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>
+Agreed, I say go for 1.11.
+
+nvidia96xx actually wasn't enabled on mga1, I was a bit surprised when
+nvidia later added 1.10 support into it.
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+And nvidia173 is only needed for FX series, which is relatively uncommon
+(when compared to other series).
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+&gt;<i> On 29.11.2011 17:18, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, I say go for 1.11.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia96xx actually wasn't enabled on mga1, I was a bit surprised when
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia later added 1.10 support into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And nvidia173 is only needed for FX series, which is relatively uncommon
+</I>&gt;<i> (when compared to other series).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+Then go for it, testing makes sense especially as the adversely
+affected user set seems small.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 01/12/11 12:31 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/1 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:19:11 +0000
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So do I.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too.
+</I>
+Interesting. I always tend to do something more joined up as having a
+single patch fail when it touches multiple files makes the
+reconstructing the patch a bit more problematic where as a git rebase
+over the sources is generally much quicker.
+
+But each to their own - backup files are useful you've proven that much :)
+
+An option (or different macros) is needed.
+
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we can have an option quite easily but I don't want to learn lua :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches %{lua: keys = {}; for i, p in ipairs(patches) do
+</I>&gt;<i> print(rpm.expand(&quot;%{_patch} -s -p1 -b --suffix &quot; ..
+</I>&gt;<i> string.format(&quot;.%04d&quot;, patches_num[p]) .. &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> --fuzz=%{_default_patch_fuzz} -i &quot; .. p .. &quot;\\n&quot;)) end }
+</I>
+
+Incidentally, the approach taken in Fedora is a bit different:
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+The do the following in the spec:
+
+git init
+git config user.email &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">devel at redhat.com</A>&quot;
+git config user.name &quot;Fedora SPEC&quot;
+git add .
+git commit -a -q -m &quot;%{version} baseline.&quot;
+git am -p1 %{patches}
+
+
+On the face of it this is a bit ugly, but the reason to do this is that
+it allow patches that deal with renames and file mode changes to be
+applied too.
+
+So perhaps we should have a %git_apply_patches macro that does the above
+too?
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 01/12/11 11:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I have a Cauldron box which doesn't start DM when booted - and when I
+</I>&gt;<i> check in Drakxservices, and check &quot;start on boot&quot; - it doesn't work
+</I>&gt;<i> (resets back to not starting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once the machine has started, I can manually start the DM service.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I am NOT using systemd (although it is installed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit-tools-2.87-10.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64systemd-daemon0-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-units-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64systemd-login0-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# drakxservices
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Warning: unit files do not carry install information. No operation
+</I>&gt;<i> executed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any advice would be welcome -
+</I>
+
+Interesting. It seems we're using systemctl to enable the service on
+this setup rather than /sbin/service...
+
+I'll take a look at this soon.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 11:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:25:05 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obviously fails for some reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes there's the file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> much a requirement)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, /etc is on my root file system
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> EXT4......No LVM, no RAID....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had attached the log...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's make it works better!
+</I>
+OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
+
+Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+you made.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> What if packages being installed from console?
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:39:10 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+</I>&gt;<i> code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+</I>&gt;<i> it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+</I>&gt;<i> you made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>Before I send the file tomorrow(it's my working machine..:-) )
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+I just discovered that I forgot to mention I got two partition,
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+for windows usage. Is it related to the problem?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 15:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:39:10 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you made.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> Before I send the file tomorrow(it's my working machine..:-) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just discovered that I forgot to mention I got two partition,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for windows usage. Is it related to the problem?
+</I>
+It shouldn't be a problem. The only issue would be if the parsing code
+in dracut somehow gets confused by some content in your fstab and thus
+needs to be adjusted to cope more gracefully with it.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> some bug fixes and rendering improvements for libreoffice, firefox,
+</I>&gt;<i> and google-chrome, give it a try and let us know how it behaves.
+</I>
+Hi there,
+it is indeed faster and behaves well on my machine!
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+Maybe, it would be better if people with old computers could test it.
+But still, simple gtk remains faster. That would be a pity to not let
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+&gt;<i> One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+</I>&gt;<i> the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+</I>&gt;<i> future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+</I>&gt;<i> game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+</I>&gt;<i> tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;<i> the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;<i> without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;<i> the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;<i> update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at least
+
+you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that doesn't
+work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb client is
+required too
+
+so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which is not
+really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just install mariadb
+for that and remove mysql.
+
+you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql from
+upstream, and put patches on it.
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+the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some
+improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server with
+mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same server, due to
+my.cnf )
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+but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to be
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:13 schreef D.Morgan:
+&gt;<i> &gt; so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we have several critical stuffs working on mysql, can't we wait for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga3 to work on this ?
+</I>
+We always have critical stuff working on mysql.
+
+&gt;<i> We already broke a lot of stuffs in cauldron for now ( systemd is the
+</I>&gt;<i> more important ). Mikala told that akonadi works with mysql so before
+</I>&gt;<i> pushing in core/release i would appreciate you work on this to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure it builds/works with mariadb.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can you ?
+</I>
+of course i can wait some more, however, it's because people don't test it,
+that i'm wanting to test in core/release.
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+I believe mikala said to his padawan that when i submit mariadb to
+core/release that he should see if akonadi and/or amarok can build on it.
+
+this is not to say that i don't have done any local testing of course... but
+core/updates_testing is just not used at all... it's been 3 weeks.
+
+my point is that we can submit mariadb so that it does get proper testing
+before alpha2.
+
+I believe if it isn't workable, we can always delete mariadb and resubmit
+mysql? right?
+
+AL13N
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+PS: i didn't test everything, but the things i did test, did not have
+issues... so i don't think this is truly that problematic.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:29 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> &gt; i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;<i> seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;<i> for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>
+is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we could
+decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide mariadb as
+alternative?
+
+to be able to make this decision would be great for it to be actually tested.
+cauldron isn't definative, so submitting to core/release in cauldron seems to
+be the best way to get a decent test. if it's not workable after a few days,
+we can still resubmit mysql?
+
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+Also, i've spoken at length with MariaDB and Monty and the other developers
+are dedicated to making this work, because they see that no distro is yet
+having their product. (except Suse and EPEL iirc.)
+
+( While i was at the channel, it appears someone from Arch was also
+investigating MariaDB )
+
+and lastly, i think it's because the branches had been lagging behind, but now
+5.5 is almost released (should be before februari) and they are in sync with
+MySQL.
+
+at the same time it appears Oracle is close-sourcing some parts of mysql (or
+so i've been told).
+
+Personally I think this is exactly the correct time for this.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 19:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 10:32:14 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100%
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at least
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb client is
+</I>&gt;<i> required too
+</I>
+Hmm, I'm not sure I understand why it doesn't work? Why can't
+mysqlclient.so itself be a symlink via alternatives? Does the linker
+bork perhaps?
+
+If both packages provide the same virtual provides (&quot;mysql-devel&quot;) then
+it should be pretty simple to make the one provided by mariadb to be the
+preferred one (not 100% sure how that works, but I think it's possible).
+
+&gt;<i> so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which is not
+</I>&gt;<i> really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just install mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> for that and remove mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql from
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream, and put patches on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server with
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same server, due to
+</I>&gt;<i> my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to be
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoleted.
+</I>
+Thinking about all the issues, it will be pretty complicated to fully
+alternativify it (all the conf files etc. would be a bit of a pain)
+
+Not sure how to handle it, but I don't think obsoleting the existing
+mysql packages is a great idea... I guess just another round of testing
+after it hits the main repo might be enough? Can you just make the
+package provide the same things as the mysql ones but with a higher
+release number? That's how the systemd-sysvinit package was forced on
+people over sysvinit... perhaps the same approach here would force some
+testing and to revert all we need to do is bump the mysql rel up two
+notches and it'll become the default again?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 01 december 2011 21:12:57 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 19:53 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 01 december 2011 10:32:14 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; libmysqlclient is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; there is not 100% requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; client is required too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand why it doesn't work? Why can't
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqlclient.so itself be a symlink via alternatives? Does the linker
+</I>&gt;<i> bork perhaps?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If both packages provide the same virtual provides (&quot;mysql-devel&quot;) then
+</I>&gt;<i> it should be pretty simple to make the one provided by mariadb to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> preferred one (not 100% sure how that works, but I think it's possible).
+</I>
+yes, this is what i first said to Anssi too when i asked him about it. but the
+problem would be that other progs would be built against mysql and just drop-
+in replaced mariadb shared libs.
+
+Either it works perfectly, in which case we can just use libmysqlclient from
+mariadb, or it doesn't work, and we shouldn't use the libmysqlclient from
+mariadb anyway.
+
+then there is the my.cnf file, which contains extra [mariadb] for mariadb,
+which is ignored when using mysql, but is used by both client and server.
+
+and lastly upstream told me that while mysql clients works with mariadb
+server, it might not work (untested by upstream) to use mysql client on a host
+with mariadb server, due to the my.cnf .
+
+thus since mariadb mysqlclient works with both mysql and mariadb the best way
+is always to have mariadb clients even if you use mysql server. that is no
+problem.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is not really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install mariadb for that and remove mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from upstream, and put patches on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; server, due to my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be obsoleted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinking about all the issues, it will be pretty complicated to fully
+</I>&gt;<i> alternativify it (all the conf files etc. would be a bit of a pain)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure how to handle it, but I don't think obsoleting the existing
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql packages is a great idea... I guess just another round of testing
+</I>&gt;<i> after it hits the main repo might be enough? Can you just make the
+</I>&gt;<i> package provide the same things as the mysql ones but with a higher
+</I>&gt;<i> release number? That's how the systemd-sysvinit package was forced on
+</I>&gt;<i> people over sysvinit... perhaps the same approach here would force some
+</I>&gt;<i> testing and to revert all we need to do is bump the mysql rel up two
+</I>&gt;<i> notches and it'll become the default again?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't really want to mess with versions, the versions which are there atm,
+are the versions, that they are exactly the same, is because they ARE the same
+and the most up2date. donno if bumping release would work.
+
+but then obsoleting is not a big thing, worst case, we drop mariadb and
+resubmit mysql and problem solved.
+
+and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql
+eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we complete
+this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without any real issues
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+</I>&gt;<i> and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we complete
+</I>&gt;<i> this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without any real issues
+</I>&gt;<i> if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>ZoneMinder is a new package in Cauldron which relies heavily on mysql.
+I can do the testing but will probably need some help on the migration.
+I would hate to see it get broken now!
+Is there a tracker bug on this yet as I would like to stay in the loop ;)
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 01 december 2011 23:38:36 schreef Barry Jackson:
+&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 20:22, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; complete this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; any real issues if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ZoneMinder is a new package in Cauldron which relies heavily on mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can do the testing but will probably need some help on the migration.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would hate to see it get broken now!
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a tracker bug on this yet as I would like to stay in the loop ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+* rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+* urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+* then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+* then install that
+* test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts
+akonadi
+* then test your package
+
+i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus php-pdo-
+mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
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+no bug/tracker for it
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+&gt;<i> if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>
+OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+
+&gt;<i> * then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+</I>
+I have BuildRequire on perl-DBD-mysql and Requires on perl-DBD-mysql,
+mysql and php-mysql, I assume these will need to change?
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+&gt;<i> * then install that
+</I>&gt;<i> * test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> * then test your package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus php-pdo-
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no bug/tracker for it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I only noticed the thread in ML tonight, as I did not know what MariaDB
+was it hadn't caught my attention!
+I will start on it tomorrow.
+Thanks,
+Barry
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have BuildRequire on perl-DBD-mysql and Requires on perl-DBD-mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql and php-mysql, I assume these will need to change?
+</I>
+no, mariadb provides the mysql names, thus, no need to change anything
+
+actually, if you really want to test, you could rebuild also perl-DBD-mysql &amp;
+php-mysql ;but not required
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; * then install that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * then test your package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php-pdo- mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no bug/tracker for it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I only noticed the thread in ML tonight, as I did not know what MariaDB
+</I>&gt;<i> was it hadn't caught my attention!
+</I>&gt;<i> I will start on it tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
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+<PRE>Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes it past QA.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not already.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The fix was made by Redhat,
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+It was a one char bug
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+ b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+ pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+- p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
++ p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+ line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1) / 2;
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+&gt;<i> It would be an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1 (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an update).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>01.12.2011 22:10, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:29 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we could
+</I>&gt;<i> decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide mariadb as
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative?
+</I>I wouldn't remove MySQL. If MariaDB can't be installed next to it then i
+would wait til mga3.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is the build system currently stalled? Several failure packages do not
+</I>&gt;<i> show error logs.
+</I>
+Yes sorry, I broke it for noarch packages last night while fixing the
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 07:39, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is the build system currently stalled? Several failure packages do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> show error logs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes sorry, I broke it for noarch packages last night while fixing the
+</I>&gt;<i> race causing some kernel packages to be missing, fixed now
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+Actually I fixed the noarch packages failing to be detected as built
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 02/12/11 02:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it past QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The fix was made by Redhat,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was a one char bug
+</I>
+One char fix, with a six char polish? :p
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+</I>&gt;<i> - p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
+</I>&gt;<i> + p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+</I>&gt;<i> line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> / 2;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 06:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:24:34 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It shouldn't be a problem. The only issue would be if the parsing code
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in dracut somehow gets confused by some content in your fstab and thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs to be adjusted to cope more gracefully with it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> File as attached.
+</I>
+Thanks.
+
+Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+
+It was a simple variable name typo.
+
+I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+
+Col
+
+--
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+<PRE>&#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, it didn't work.
+
+Error message: device node not found
+
+dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
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+Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+
+It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+
+There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+
+Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+through.
+
+I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+make the call before next beta or rc.
+
+WDYT?
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>
+
+Well, one thing dracut (or maybe it's systemd, I havent had time to
+debug yet) is not able to do so far is to boot up a dmraid setup with
+2 raid1 (2x 2 disks) setup...
+
+if there is anthing in fstab referencing the second raid1 disk pair
+the boot stops. I currently work around it by manually activating and
+mounting the second raid set after the system is booted.
+
+This could maybe be fixed by not using dmraid anymore for
+Intel imsm raid, but instead let mdadm handle it.
+But that also means modifying the installer for that part.
+
+The good part of using dracut over mkinitrd with dmraid setups is
+that dracut uses the real dmraid to activate/access the raid,
+so it can boot even if one disk has failed. mkinitrd uses a stripped
+down dmraid support in nash that crashes on boot if one disk is
+missing.
+
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+Other than that I haven't seen any problems with dracut so far.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it didn't work.
+</I>
+Well it kinda worked - at least it's actually trying to mount /usr now!
+
+&gt;<i> Error message: device node not found
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
+</I>
+
+OK, so according to man e2fsck exit code 16 is &quot;Usage or syntax error&quot;
+
+I think this is due to using UUID=.
+
+I'll work on a fix for the next round of testing :D
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>On 02/12/11 00:20, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>
+I said I would need help :\
+
+I have these 12 mysql packages installed:-
+php-mysql-5.3.8-2.mga2
+perl-DBD-mysql-4.20.0-1.mga2
+mysql-common-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysqld0-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-client-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+qt4-database-plugin-mysql-4.7.4-5.mga2
+mysql-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysql18-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-common-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysql-devel-5.5.15-2.mga2
+
+Yet with testing enabled I see :-
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq mariadb -a
+mariadb
+
+and...
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --provides mariadb
+mysql
+adt_null.so()(64bit)
+auth_socket.so()(64bit)
+auth_test_plugin.so()(64bit)
+dialog.so()(64bit)
+dialog_examples.so()(64bit)
+ha_archive.so()(64bit)
+ha_blackhole.so()(64bit)
+ha_federated.so()(64bit)
+ha_federatedx.so()(64bit)
+ha_innodb.so()(64bit)
+ha_oqgraph.so()(64bit)
+ha_sphinx.so()(64bit)
+mypluglib.so()(64bit)
+mysql_clear_password.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_client.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_interface.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_server.so()(64bit)
+semisync_master.so()(64bit)
+semisync_slave.so()(64bit)
+mariadb[== 5.5.15-0.4.mga2]
+mariadb(x86-64)[== 5.5.15-0.4.mga2]
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$
+
+So are you saying to remove all 12 or just &quot;mysql&quot; ?
+If I remove all 12 where do the replacements come from?
+Just a bit confused :\
+Maybe I'm missing something obvious ;)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>
++1
+
+One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
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+modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
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+It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and
+BACK buttons.
+For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
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+I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C1218082009-1322840097-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1354184170-%40b3.c3.bise7.blackberry%3E"
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+<PRE>This description isn't too long?
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">changelog-request at ml.mageia.org</A>
+Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:33:12
+To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">changelog at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+
+Name : mercurial Relocations: (not relocatable)
+Version : 2.0.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+Release : 1.mga2 Build Date: Fri Dec 2 16:26:15 2011
+Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse
+Group : Development/Other Source RPM: (none)
+Size : 3137345 License: GPLv2+
+Signature : (none)
+Packager : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+URL : <A HREF="http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/">http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/</A>
+Summary : A fast, lightweight distributed source control management system
+Description :
+Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+designed for efficient handling of very large distributed
+projects. Major features include:
+
+* Extremely high-performance delta-compressed storage scheme
+* Optimized for disk layout and access efficiency
+* Complete cross-indexing of files and changesets
+* Bandwidth and CPU efficient HTTP and SSH sync protocols
+* Distributed development model supports unlimited numbers of developers
+* Allows arbitrary merging between developer branches
+* Doesn't significantly degrade with large numbers of files or changesets
+* No waiting for locks!
+* SHA1 integrity checking on repository data
+* Append-only storage model with transaction journalling
+* Fast full-repository verification
+* Convenient backup
+* Most commands are familiar to users of CVS and other systems
+* Built-in command help
+* Integrated stand-alone web interface (example)
+* Works with various GUI tools
+* Runs on UNIX, MacOS X, and Windows
+* Conversion tools available for many popular SCMs
+* Allows a variety of usage models
+* Supports user-defined hooks and extensions
+* Source code available under the GPL license
+* Actively community supported and developed
+
+lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 2.0.1-1.mga2:
++ Revision: 175139
+- Update to 2.0.1.
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+&gt;<i> Anyone else find the default settings in Dolphin after a clean Alpha1
+</I>&gt;<i> installation utterly useless?
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and BACK
+</I>&gt;<i> buttons.
+</I>&gt;<i> For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
+</I>&gt;<i> buttons in place &quot;out of the box&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but after
+</I>&gt;<i> half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>
+The BACK button is there (1st button on the left). To get the UP
+button (or any other) click on the wrench icon and open &quot;Customize
+toolbar...&quot; (or similar, I'm using German menues).
+But I agree that BACK &amp; UP should be in the default toolbar.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Friday 02 December 2011 16:34, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+</I>&gt;<i> designed for efficient handling of very large distributed projects.
+</I>
+In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
+
+Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
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+--
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+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
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+Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:45:57
+To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
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+On Friday 02 December 2011 16:34, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+</I>&gt;<i> designed for efficient handling of very large distributed projects.
+</I>
+In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
+
+Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 14:40:40 schreef Barry Jackson:
+&gt;<i> On 02/12/11 00:20, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I said I would need help :\
+</I>
+thanks for that!
+
+i guess i should be clearer, i meant the packages that are built from the
+mysql src.rpm
+
+this is for you:
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+&gt;<i> mysql-common-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysqld0-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-client-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysql18-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-common-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysql-devel-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> Yet with testing enabled I see :-
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq mariadb -a
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb
+</I>[...]
+
+(afaik mariadb is an exact match, so maybe that's why it lists only mariadb)
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# urpmq -Y mariadb
+lib64mariadb-devel
+lib64mariadb-embedded-devel
+lib64mariadb-embedded0
+lib64mariadb18
+lib64mariadbservices
+mariadb
+mariadb-bench
+mariadb-client
+mariadb-common
+mariadb-common-core
+mariadb-core
+
+
+thus, for you:
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+mariadb-common-core
+lib64mariadbservices
+lib64mariadb-embedded0
+mariadb-client
+mariadb-core
+mariadb
+lib64mariadb18
+mariadb-common
+lib64mariadb-devel
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+<PRE>Received from Johnny A. Solbu on Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 10:45:57AM EST:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 02 December 2011 16:34, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; designed for efficient handling of very large distributed projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+</I>&gt;<i> If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
+</I>
+Done.
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 08:37:05 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 01.12.2011 22:10, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:29 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb as alternative?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't remove MySQL. If MariaDB can't be installed next to it then i
+</I>&gt;<i> would wait til mga3.
+</I>
+It can (not client), but there's no need imho; mariadb is actually no more
+than the patched mysql because those patches are rejected by oracle (think
+Google patches and facebook patches as an example) + extra storage engines.
+
+if you really want to, the unpatches original (same as mysql) storage engines
+are available for mariadb as well:
+ - innodb (unpatched; xtradb is the patched one)
+ - myisam
+ - federated
+etc...
+
+if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you agree?
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and
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+</I>&gt;<i> For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
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+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but
+</I>&gt;<i> after half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>If i'm not wrong there's some changes regarding dolphin's configuration, it was
+already reported to me last week.
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+I'll be able to work again on kde's configuration soon (i was quite buzy)
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+&gt;<i> if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;<i> agree?
+</I>
+I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+- phpmyadmin
+- amarok
+- nepomuk
+- akonadi
+- ....
+- install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
+
+I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms
+against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file searches
+through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
+
+Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2 alpha&quot;.
+We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:33:04, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; agree?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+</I>&gt;<i> - phpmyadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - amarok
+</I>&gt;<i> - nepomuk
+</I>&gt;<i> - akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> - ....
+</I>&gt;<i> - install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms
+</I>&gt;<i> against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file
+</I>&gt;<i> searches through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2
+</I>&gt;<i> alpha&quot;. We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
+</I>
+you didn't think i did local tests?
+
+i tested with amarok, akonadi, drupal and phpmyadmin locally
+
+the purpose of this is exactly to get more testing
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+<PRE>and benchmarks of MySQL vs MariaDB : this is important if you plan to
+use Mageia on a production server
+
+2011/12/2 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 18:24:13 schreef zezinho:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:33:04, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; agree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - phpmyadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - amarok
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - nepomuk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - akonadi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> searches through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alpha&quot;. We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you didn't think i did local tests?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i tested with amarok, akonadi, drupal and phpmyadmin locally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the purpose of this is exactly to get more testing
+</I>
+
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> and benchmarks of MySQL vs MariaDB : this is important if you plan to
+</I>&gt;<i> use Mageia on a production server
+</I>[...]
+
+yup these are important.
+
+also important is to have an official maintainer for a package like mysql...
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+<PRE>Le 02/12/2011 05:19, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 02/12/11 02:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it past QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The fix was made by Redhat,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was a one char bug
+</I>&gt;<i> One char fix, with a six char polish? :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I meant a one line bug.
+&gt;&gt;<i> b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> / 2;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>
+Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+switching etc...
+
+Shall I apply it?
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>
+Speaking of driver switching...
+
+Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early
+boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
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