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All modules are possible to turn-on and +</I>><i> >>>> to turn-off in a menu of X. +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia. +</I>><i> >>>> Person A says: +</I>><i> >>>> - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never +</I>><i> >>>> will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative +</I>><i> >>>> source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for +</I>><i> >>>> Y in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; +</I>><i> >>>> also installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much +</I>><i> >>>> simpler than reinstalling X with support for Y +</I>><i> >>>> Person B says: +</I>><i> >>>> - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module +</I>><i> >>>> of X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; +</I>><i> >>>> so it must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and +</I>><i> >>>> maintain it +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> Neither A nor B want to work with Y package. +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> Who is right? +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine +</I>><i> >>> without Y even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y +</I>><i> >>> package is fine. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also +</I>><i> >>> "support the Y-module for X" even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed +</I>><i> >>> in mageia, or even if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >>> let's get into specifics: +</I>><i> >> Well here there is no nonfree, demo, shareware, license issue. Just Y is +</I>><i> >> yet another media-player. Importing Y is not a case for neiher A nor B. +</I>><i> >> There is a question to include or not include a module (as an external +</I>><i> >> package %{name}-module-mediaplayer_Y) for X. X is working perfectly +</I>><i> >> without Y - Y is just adding some extra features. But the module for X +</I>><i> >> is NOT working without Y. Well it's probably not breaking X, there will +</I>><i> >> be an error message "error loading module-mediaplayer_Y". +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > you could find a way to configure it as disabled? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > or move it to a subdir of sorts with a mention that if they do have Y +</I>><i> > that +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > they can put this file in the other dir. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > or... have a subpackage for this module and don't suggest it. plus have a +</I>><i> > warning in it to say that it requires bla. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > so my vote is for A) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I like the idea with URPMI warning at the install time, this would solve +</I>><i> the problem. "If you need Y support for X, we include the module, but +</I>><i> obtain Y at your own." +</I> +look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi file +which show this text in rpmdrake +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="010318.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="010322.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#10319">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#10319">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#10319">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#10319">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |