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As I said in an earlier +</I>>>><i> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why +</I>>>><i> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when +</I>>>><i> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when +</I>>>><i> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit +</I>>>><i> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise +</I>>>><i> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user +</I>>>><i> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command +</I>>>><i> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and +</I>>>><i> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense... +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than +</I>>>><i> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a +</I>>>><i> second graphical login? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just +</I>>>><i> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they +</I>>>><i> user has already opted for a graphical system. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login +</I>>>><i> and gdm should maybe present a "give me a text login" option in which +</I>>>><i> case that X server quits and getty replaces it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused +</I>>>><i> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I +</I>>>><i> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little +</I>>>><i> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and +</I>>>><i> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat +</I>>>><i> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should +</I>>>><i> be much different from multi-seat in this regard. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g. +</I>>>>><i> Ubuntu/Debian? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to +</I>>>><i> that according to Google. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Col +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or +</I>>><i> textbased. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be +</I>>><i> it a dm or a textbased login.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yup, this is generally what I'd propose. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> however, the dm should allow to fall back to +</I>>><i> textbased, but there we run into a problem: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text- +</I>>><i> based emergency, but then noone would know... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, as above, I was suggesting that e.g. 7&8 were always text logins. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be +</I>>><i> forcably text-based... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX +</I>>><i> spawns a text-based login. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They can be, but I'd vote that this should change. e.g. if you have a +</I>><i> setup where you "typically" have two users logged in and session 1 is +</I>><i> always "Dad" and session 2 is always "Mum", if Mum knows that she does +</I>><i> ctl+alt+F2 to switch to her session when she is logged in, however in +</I>><i> order to login, Dad has to already be logged in and either select the +</I>><i> Switch User option, or do so from a logged screen. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But say there has been a power cut and the machine is rebooted, Dad +</I>><i> hasn't logged in but Mum wants to use "her" session on VT2 because +</I>><i> that's what they are both used to. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If she presses ctl+alt+f2 when at the login prompt, all she sees is a +</I>><i> text login, this will be confusing to her. However if it spawns a new +</I>><i> graphical login, then she'll appreciate she's not logged in yet and log in. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So stand by my original suggestion that if you are running a graphical +</I>><i> target, Switching to a TTY to get a "login prompt" should show you a +</I>><i> graphical login prompt. If however you are only in the text level +</I>><i> (multi-user.target) then you should be given text logins. +</I>><i> +</I> +What happens in this new scheme if graphical server fails - this is +happening more often than you think - this is not clear to me yet. If +the x server crashes and the default is starting a DM and graphical +login, what will happen then? + +What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a +text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does +he land, on VT7? + +What happens when using SysReq keys? + +About displaying a graphical login - when I press Ctrl-Alt-Fn I do +this to go to a text console, not to yet another x screen and I expect +a prompt, not yet another graphical login. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="010643.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="010648.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#10644">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#10644">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#10644">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#10644">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |