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+    <B>Luc Menut</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 30/11/2011 22:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 29 november 2011 00:21:04 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, so :
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 people vote B
+</I>&gt;<i> 0 people vote A
+</I>&gt;<i> 0 people have disagreement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt;  100% agreed
+</I>
+Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC] 
+replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this 
+choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available 
+for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+
+Do you know some distribution that have done this replacement?
+
+I just quickly look at 3 main distributions;
+- Fedora doesn't seem to have mariadb,
+- OpenSuse has mariadb, but still builds there packages againt mysql,
+- Debian doesn't seem to have mariadb.
+<A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308</A>
+
+and this replacement doesn't seem to be so easy as you claim:
+e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810</A>
+
+Do you agree to fix all the bugs introduced by the replacement of mysql 
+by mariadb?
+
+
+When this was discussed a first time on this list, Nicolas Vigier 
+proposed to start with mariadb as an alternative:
+&quot;I would start with mariadb as an alternative. Then drop mysql later,
+if/when it's confirmed that mysql is really dead and we could check
+that mariadb is a good replacement.&quot;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html</A>
+
+I agree with this, and I think that it's still a sensible choice.
+
+regards,
+Luc
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 30/11/11 23:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 22:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 29 november 2011 00:21:04 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18 , and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> give opinion to which option to choose: A/B .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, so :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3 people vote B
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0 people vote A
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0 people have disagreement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ==&gt;  100% agreed
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know some distribution that have done this replacement?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I just quickly look at 3 main distributions;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fedora doesn't seem to have mariadb,
+</I>&gt;<i> - OpenSuse has mariadb, but still builds there packages againt mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> - Debian doesn't seem to have mariadb.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and this replacement doesn't seem to be so easy as you claim:
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284810</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you agree to fix all the bugs introduced by the replacement of mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> by mariadb?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When this was discussed a first time on this list, Nicolas Vigier
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed to start with mariadb as an alternative:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;I would start with mariadb as an alternative. Then drop mysql later,
+</I>&gt;<i> if/when it's confirmed that mysql is really dead and we could check
+</I>&gt;<i> that mariadb is a good replacement.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110408/003919.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with this, and I think that it's still a sensible choice.
+</I>
++1
+
+While I don't envisage any major problems for myself with this, I am
+also a little concerned as mysql is one of the few packages I actually
+rely on for my day job, so I'm a little wary of having the choice
+removed for me (I like to keep minimal differences to the live
+environment where ever possible and while this intention pretty much
+always bogus as I have different versions, but at least at the moment
+it's the same project). It's not a huge deal for me to build my own
+mysql packages if I decide I need them, but I'd certainly rather avoid
+this if possible.
+
+And if you do decide to do it, please do announce it in an official
+thread and gather feedback as Luc mentioned.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Michel Catudal</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 29/11/2011 19:40, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does the idea include removing srpm also?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19978;&#21320;2:07&#65292;&quot;nicolas vigier&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     When a package is no longer supported, without being replaced by an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     other package, and needs to be removed from the distribution, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     current procedure is :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      - move the package on svn to obsolete directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      - ask a sysadmin to manually remove the package from repositories
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     Instead of asking a sysadmin to do it, I propose that we create a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     package task-obsolete, with obsoletes on all packages that need to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     removed, so that the removing of the package will be done by youri.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     I think it would be better :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      - anybody with commit access can do it without asking a sysadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      - we can have a list and logs of packages dropped since previous Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       release, which can be useful when writting release notes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>      - users who don't want to keep unsupported packages installed on their
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       system can install the package to remove them
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>     What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes it past QA.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not already.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be  an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1 (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an update).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think that the one in Mandriva core dumped. It doesn't on Centos, Scientific Linux or Fedora 15.
+I would not update it to anything that core dumps. This was not just a problem on Mandriva but also on Ubuntu, SuSE and Fedora. I don't understand why some people thinks that when it has compiled, it is done considering that this particular core dump was 
+very obvious.
+
+Michel
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Manuel Hiebel at 29/11/11 22:33 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to add something in a wiki page: like here
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging#Main_packages_by_category</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally (and it's going the same for the bugsquad), for new bugs, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> add in cc the committers of the package, but if you don't like that, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can go with the specific groups way.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I certainly don't mind being CC'ed in in these cases and it's definitely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been useful so I'm very much in favour of the bugsquad doing thing until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anything more official gets done.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we need something else than what we have now. We can do
+</I>&gt;<i> it like this :
+</I>&gt;<i>   - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, and someone
+</I>&gt;<i>     agrees to act as official maintainer (listed in maintdb), have bugs
+</I>&gt;<i>     assigned to him and forward them if needed to other co-maintainers of
+</I>&gt;<i>     the package
+</I>&gt;<i>   - Sometimes we have a few people maintaining a package, but nobody wants
+</I>&gt;<i>     to be official maintainer, so bugsquad forward bugs to last committers
+</I>&gt;<i>     of the package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or maybe what we need is something to automatically add people in CC for
+</I>&gt;<i> some packages ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>This last point sounds like a really good idea.
+Even without a official maintainer, such packages will get better support.
+Probably less work for the bug squad as well.
+
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be
+easier to compose.
+&#22312; 2011-12-1 &#19978;&#21320;4:48&#65292;&quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> It would be interesting for us to have a sort of weekly report on what has
+</I>&gt;<i> changed in cauldron, the interesting points, important decisions. In
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva-
+</I>&gt;<i> times there was also something like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Weekly_News</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>  -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-">http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/02/28/noteworthy-mandriva-cooker-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> changes-15-february-28-february-2010/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't have to be one person and it doesn't have to be weekly, but
+</I>&gt;<i> something like this assures better visibility of Mageia and could be
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting also for packagers who aren't up 2 date on things (or advanced
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron users)
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> The ioquake3 package creates a sub package for ioquake3 and each of
+</I>&gt;<i> the supported games, and each of this packages include a script to
+</I>&gt;<i> auto-download the proprietary license game data at first run of the
+</I>&gt;<i> game using the autodownloader program. When any of the games listed
+</I>&gt;<i> above is run, a window will popup displaying the game license and upon
+</I>&gt;<i> agreeing on it, the script will download the game data from a
+</I>&gt;<i> predefined list of mirrors and install it in the proper place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have a question here: currently, the version of the game subpackages
+is the same as the main ioquake3 package (ioquake3-1.36-0.svn2102.0),
+which in my opinion is wrong, as it could confuse users about which
+game version they're installing. The game subpackage should have the
+game version, ie: urbanterror-4.1.1-1 instead of
+urbanterror-1.36-0.svn2102.0
+
+One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
+
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+&gt;<i> I just spoke to Harald about it and he informs me that the git version
+</I>&gt;<i> of dracut does the necessary mounting of /usr, so I'll look into
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+</I>&gt;<i> adventures into plumbing go this evening - my house is getting pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> cold without heating so it's the first priority!) and give you a ping to
+</I>&gt;<i> test. It'll basically involve updating the dracut package and then
+</I>&gt;<i> recreating the initrd as previously mentioned and rebooting, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty easy to test :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Have you done with the update? I saw the update today and remade the
+mkinitrd, but still not working. Same error message.
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+yesterday. but i'm not talking about release notes, in that same meeting it 
+was decided a single person (or a few single persons do a weekly notification 
+on what changes in cauldron.)
+
+This is a call for volunteers for that purpose.
+
+Op donderdag 01 december 2011 06:28:15 schreef Funda Wang:
+&gt;<i> Maybe we should list these changes in wiki, maintained by maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves, and some test cases and notes. Thus, the release notes will be
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to compose.
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+&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>[...]
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+yes, i'll do so, problem is that i didn't get any testing, so i need to put it 
+into core/release to get more testing.
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+if mariadb doesn't work, we can easily switch back by just rebuilding mysql 
+and dropping mariadb for that moment.
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+also, i tested with amarok among others, without a problem
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+This is the up-coming 5.5 branch, which my plan is to keep testing as we go 
+along to mga2
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+I also have good contacts with upstream about this.
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+i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's nothing 
+more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to opt-out or not.
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+in order to get more testing (mariadb is in core/updates_testing), i've 
+decided to submit to cauldron core/release, 
+however there lies a problem:
+
+Since everything is almost exact with mysql, same files and such, there are 
+some library conflicts which would present always a choice if we want both 
+mysql and mariadb (in particular libmysqlclient.so.X). Since we also want this 
+really used at build/link time one of both versions should be used.
+
+considering that mariadb mysql client works perfectly for both mysql and 
+mariadb. and that mysql mysql-client may not work perfectly for local servers 
+due to the my.cnf file being used for both client and server (mysql client is 
+supported for remote mariadb servers), I'd like to use the mariadb client 
+packages.
+
+The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted 
+packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is 
+drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement 
+of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+
+advantages:
+ - both mariadb and mysql servers are present, people can choose
+disadvantages:
+ - more QA
+ - more work for me
+
+B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+
+advantages:
+ - less work for me
+ - less work for QA
+disadvantages:
+ - mysql is completely gone.
+
+I already posted this on the mariadb testing thread, but got little response, 
+So i plan to go with B really. because that'll give the best testing and if 
+mariadb isn't good enough, we can still modify mariadb and resubmit mysql. B 
+will have the best upgrade test (like for mga1 --&gt; mga2)
+
+For more information regarding this, please read completely the mariadb 
+testing thread: 
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html</A>
+
+Some more bordering information:
+ - mariadb has XtraDB, which is essentially a patched InnoDB (it also supplies 
+an exact vanilla InnoDB as a plugin)
+ - mariadb still has myISAM support
+ - mariadb has as a default storage engine Aria (which can be used either as 
+transactional and as non-transactional)
+ - the files are exactly the same as mysql, it's still mysqld, mysql for client 
+so upgrading issues should be minimal, but still tested, of course.
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+so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in order to get more testing (mariadb is in core/updates_testing), i've
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to submit to cauldron core/release,
+</I>&gt;<i> however there lies a problem:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since everything is almost exact with mysql, same files and such, there are
+</I>&gt;<i> some library conflicts which would present always a choice if we want both
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql and mariadb (in particular libmysqlclient.so.X). Since we also want this
+</I>&gt;<i> really used at build/link time one of both versions should be used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> considering that mariadb mysql client works perfectly for both mysql and
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb. and that mysql mysql-client may not work perfectly for local servers
+</I>&gt;<i> due to the my.cnf file being used for both client and server (mysql client is
+</I>&gt;<i> supported for remote mariadb servers), I'd like to use the mariadb client
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is
+</I>&gt;<i> drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement
+</I>&gt;<i> of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> advantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- both mariadb and mysql servers are present, people can choose
+</I>&gt;<i> disadvantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more work for me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. We drop mysql completely and submit mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> advantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- less work for me
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- less work for QA
+</I>&gt;<i> disadvantages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mysql is completely gone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I already posted this on the mariadb testing thread, but got little response,
+</I>&gt;<i> So i plan to go with B really. because that'll give the best testing and if
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb isn't good enough, we can still modify mariadb and resubmit mysql. B
+</I>&gt;<i> will have the best upgrade test (like for mga1 --&gt; mga2)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For more information regarding this, please read completely the mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> testing thread:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg09282.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some more bordering information:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb has XtraDB, which is essentially a patched InnoDB (it also supplies
+</I>&gt;<i> an exact vanilla InnoDB as a plugin)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb still has myISAM support
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- mariadb has as a default storage engine Aria (which can be used either as
+</I>&gt;<i> transactional and as non-transactional)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- the files are exactly the same as mysql, it's still mysqld, mysql for client
+</I>&gt;<i> so upgrading issues should be minimal, but still tested, of course.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
+</I>
+we have several critical stuffs working on mysql, can't we wait for
+mga3 to work on this ?
+We already broke a lot of stuffs in cauldron for now ( systemd is the
+more important ). Mikala told that akonadi works with mysql so before
+pushing in core/release i would appreciate you work on this to make
+sure it builds/works with mariadb.
+
+can you ?
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+<PRE>Le 01/12/2011 08:34, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 00:28:34 schreef Luc Menut:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please, you should first ask on the ML with a proper subject like &quot;[RFC]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> replace mysql by mariadb for mga 2 ?&quot; and don't hide this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice/question in a thread where you announce that mariadb is available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for testing. And wait at least one week, so that people have time to reply.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, i'll do so, problem is that i didn't get any testing, so i need to put it 
+</I>&gt;<i> into core/release to get more testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if mariadb doesn't work, we can easily switch back by just rebuilding mysql 
+</I>&gt;<i> and dropping mariadb for that moment.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> also, i tested with amarok among others, without a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the up-coming 5.5 branch, which my plan is to keep testing as we go 
+</I>&gt;<i> along to mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I also have good contacts with upstream about this.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's nothing 
+</I>&gt;<i> more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to opt-out or not.
+</I>
+As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
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+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?">fundawang at gmail.com
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+    <I>Thu Dec  1 10:27:50 CET 2011</I>
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+Is it possible not passing files marked as %doc into autoreq finding,
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient is 
+</I>&gt;<i> drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100% requirement 
+</I>&gt;<i> of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>
+I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+the update-alternatives system.
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+It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
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+In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+
+While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+best route forward for mga2 at least.
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+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+%apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
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+Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
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+Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+they can just be dropped completely?
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>
+I think it was pixel
+
+&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>
+I use them when updating patches
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 05:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Have you done with the update?
+</I>
+Yeah. I even CC'ed you in on a mail about it! Perhaps by CC'ing you it
+broke your filtering and made the mail *less* obvious... backfire if it
+did! Won't CC you this time and let you get it from the list :)
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+&gt;<i> I saw the update today and remade the
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd, but still not working. Same error message.
+</I>
+Hmm, bummer.
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+I have updated the package again, but it shouldn't really make any
+difference. Please update it all the same when it reaches your mirror.
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+Then can you do the following after regenerating the initrd:
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+1. Become root.
+2. mkdir ~/boot
+3. cd ~/boot
+4. zcat /boot/initrd.img | cpio -id  # NB replace the initrd file name
+if needed
+5. find lib/modules/*/kernel -type f
+6. ls lib/dracut/hooks/mount/
+7. ls lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/
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+In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+obviously fails for some reason.
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+Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+much a requirement)?
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+What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+
+Please attach/paste the output from commands 5-7 to your reply.
+
+Cheers and thanks for working through this with me.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>
+Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>
+OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+files it finds.
+
+My work around is just a simple:
+ find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+
+So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+</I>&gt;<i> patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+</I>&gt;<i> files it finds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My work around is just a simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+</I>&gt;<i> but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't remember where ( but i will ask upstream) Panu wrote a mail
+explaining how to do like our %apply_patches but w/o the backups.
+
+So we can have 2 macros, ours ( that i will try to propose upstream )
+and the one proposed by pany w/o the backups ?
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I think I remember now. It was a &quot;parting gift&quot; before he left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so a more graceful way is needed to deal with the situation when the
+</I>&gt;<i> patches are problematic (i.e. a dump installer just installing all the
+</I>&gt;<i> files it finds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My work around is just a simple:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;find -name &quot;*.[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]&quot; -delete
+</I>&gt;<i> but it could be too greedy in some circumstances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>
+I think we can have an option quite easily but I don't want to learn lua :)
+
+%apply_patches %{lua: keys = {}; for i, p in ipairs(patches) do
+print(rpm.expand(&quot;%{_patch} -s -p1 -b --suffix &quot; ..
+string.format(&quot;.%04d&quot;, patches_num[p]) .. &quot;
+--fuzz=%{_default_patch_fuzz} -i &quot; .. p .. &quot;\\n&quot;)) end }
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+</I>&gt;<i> called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+</I>&gt;<i> obviously fails for some reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes there's the file.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> much a requirement)?
+</I>Yes, /etc is on my root file system
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+</I>&gt;<i> support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>EXT4......No LVM, no RAID....
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+I had attached the log...
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+    <B>Shlomi Fish</B> 
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+<PRE>On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:19:11 +0000
+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There are times when the backup files from patches applied with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %apply_patches get in the way. It would be nice to be able to disable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backup file generation. e.g. with %apply_patches -n
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can someone with the appropriate skills do this? I can't remember who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote this macro (I wrote the very crappy initial version of it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; someone else made it awesome!), but I have a feeling it was pterjan or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Annsi (or maybe it was pixel before he left...?). Anyway, it's a super
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; useful macro, but it would be really nice if it could avoid the backups.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it was pixel
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>
+So do I.
+
+Regards,
+
+	Shlomi Fish
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+&#22312; 2011-11-30 &#19979;&#21320;10:23&#65292;&quot;Juan Luis Baptiste&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt;&#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:58 AM, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 28 novembre 2011 05:47:19, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please go on. Some ideas :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1.Will the download have a nice window? I mean download speed/time till
+</I>&gt;<i> end,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stop button, etc. Because this are big downloads, not like
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's how it currently works. A GTK window shows up at first run
+</I>&gt;<i> displaying the game's license and upon confirmation it will show
+</I>&gt;<i> another window for the game data download, with a progress bar,
+</I>&gt;<i> download speeds etc and an option to switch mirrors (haven't tried it
+</I>&gt;<i> yet).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. As user, I would expect the download to happen at install time,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; first run. It could be run in the post?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well as Pascal said in another email I'm not sure it is a good idea, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think there's nothing wrong with doing the download at first run. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> if we move the download to %pre or %post then we can't use the graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> window which would be a loss in user friendliness IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm almost set to commit my modifications tonight, I have been working
+</I>&gt;<i> on the download and install scripts for Smokin' Guns but the need more
+</I>&gt;<i> testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Juancho
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+<PRE>I have a Cauldron box which doesn't start DM when booted - and when I
+check in Drakxservices, and check &quot;start on boot&quot; - it doesn't work
+(resets back to not starting.
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+Once the machine has started, I can manually start the DM service.
+
+BTW, I am NOT using systemd (although it is installed:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep sysvinit
+sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1
+sysvinit-tools-2.87-10.mga1
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep systemd
+lib64systemd-daemon0-37-13.mga2
+systemd-units-37-13.mga2
+systemd-37-13.mga2
+lib64systemd-login0-37-13.mga2
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# drakxservices 
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+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+      systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+      systemd configuration.
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+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+      systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+      systemd configuration.
+
+
+Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
+      systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overriden by
+native
+      systemd configuration.
+
+Warning: unit files do not carry install information. No operation
+executed.
+
+Any advice would be welcome -
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+Thx,
+R.Fox
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:19:11 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=174689</A>
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+Thanks for the spec cleanup in that one btw, I thought I wrote a better
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>
+Agreed, I say go for 1.11.
+
+nvidia96xx actually wasn't enabled on mga1, I was a bit surprised when
+nvidia later added 1.10 support into it.
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+And nvidia173 is only needed for FX series, which is relatively uncommon
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+&gt;<i> On 29.11.2011 17:18, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 16:04:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/11/11 13:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 29.11.2011 13:53:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, spoke with Bastien and he pointed me at the fixes (on the Xserver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> side).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Will push them through shortly (tho' to the xserver 1.11 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> core/updates_testing only)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think we should push xserver 1.11 into /release _now_ so it gets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper testing time from all users before Alpha 2 is released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy with that but as I don't keep up to date with the binary
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> driver stuff I don't know the impact.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi, can you give your &#8364;0.02?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fglrx is ok as of fglrx-8.911-1.mga2.nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia-current should be ok afaik.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nvidia173 and nvidia96xx need to be checked,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as Anssi noted on Nov. 6th that they didn't support it yet then,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and iirc there has been no new driver release since.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But at some point we really need to move on, as we cant wait forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, I say go for 1.11.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia96xx actually wasn't enabled on mga1, I was a bit surprised when
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia later added 1.10 support into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And nvidia173 is only needed for FX series, which is relatively uncommon
+</I>&gt;<i> (when compared to other series).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+Then go for it, testing makes sense especially as the adversely
+affected user set seems small.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 01/12/11 12:31 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/1 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:19:11 +0000
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 09:58, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Or another suggestion..... who actually uses these backup files? Perhaps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can just be dropped completely?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I use them when updating patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So do I.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too.
+</I>
+Interesting. I always tend to do something more joined up as having a
+single patch fail when it touches multiple files makes the
+reconstructing the patch a bit more problematic where as a git rebase
+over the sources is generally much quicker.
+
+But each to their own - backup files are useful you've proven that much :)
+
+An option (or different macros) is needed.
+
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 01/12/11 10:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:28, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I guess an rpmmacro guru is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we can have an option quite easily but I don't want to learn lua :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> %apply_patches %{lua: keys = {}; for i, p in ipairs(patches) do
+</I>&gt;<i> print(rpm.expand(&quot;%{_patch} -s -p1 -b --suffix &quot; ..
+</I>&gt;<i> string.format(&quot;.%04d&quot;, patches_num[p]) .. &quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> --fuzz=%{_default_patch_fuzz} -i &quot; .. p .. &quot;\\n&quot;)) end }
+</I>
+
+Incidentally, the approach taken in Fedora is a bit different:
+
+The do the following in the spec:
+
+git init
+git config user.email &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">devel at redhat.com</A>&quot;
+git config user.name &quot;Fedora SPEC&quot;
+git add .
+git commit -a -q -m &quot;%{version} baseline.&quot;
+git am -p1 %{patches}
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+
+On the face of it this is a bit ugly, but the reason to do this is that
+it allow patches that deal with renames and file mode changes to be
+applied too.
+
+So perhaps we should have a %git_apply_patches macro that does the above
+too?
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 01/12/11 11:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I have a Cauldron box which doesn't start DM when booted - and when I
+</I>&gt;<i> check in Drakxservices, and check &quot;start on boot&quot; - it doesn't work
+</I>&gt;<i> (resets back to not starting.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Once the machine has started, I can manually start the DM service.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I am NOT using systemd (although it is installed:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit-2.87-10.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit-tools-2.87-10.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# rpm -qa | grep systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64systemd-daemon0-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-units-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64systemd-login0-37-13.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at minifox</A> rfox]# drakxservices 
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Warning: unit files do not carry install information. No operation
+</I>&gt;<i> executed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Any advice would be welcome -
+</I>
+
+Interesting. It seems we're using systemctl to enable the service on
+this setup rather than /sbin/service...
+
+I'll take a look at this soon.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 11:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:25:05 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In theory, there should be a file in the last directory (pre-pivot)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> called 50mount-usr.sh It's its job to mount the /usr partition, but it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obviously fails for some reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes there's the file.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, I presume /etc/ is on your root file system (I think that's pretty
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> much a requirement)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, /etc is on my root file system
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What file system are you actually using? You said it's a pure fs (i.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no LVM), but is it e.g. btrfs or xfs etc.? Does the module needed to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> support that fs exist in the output from 5?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> EXT4......No LVM, no RAID....
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I had attached the log...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's make it works better!
+</I>
+OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
+
+Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+you made.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> What if packages being installed from console?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+</I>&gt;<i> code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+</I>&gt;<i> it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+</I>&gt;<i> you made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>Before I send the file tomorrow(it's my working machine..:-)  )
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+I just discovered that I forgot to mention I got two partition,
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 01/12/11 15:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:39:10 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, for the next test can you attach your /etc/fstab so I can check the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code used in the 50mount-usr.sh file works?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Preferably exactly as you have it, but if there are sensitive things in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it and you have to edit it, please let me know (roughly) what changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you made.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> Before I send the file tomorrow(it's my working machine..:-)  )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I just discovered that I forgot to mention I got two partition,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> for windows usage. Is it related to the problem?
+</I>
+It shouldn't be a problem. The only issue would be if the parsing code
+in dracut somehow gets confused by some content in your fstab and thus
+needs to be adjusted to cope more gracefully with it.
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> Yesterday I updated oxygen-gtk to 1.1.5 and the changelog mentions
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+</I>&gt;<i> and google-chrome, give it a try and let us know how it behaves.
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+&gt;<i> One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+</I>&gt;<i> the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+</I>&gt;<i> future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+</I>&gt;<i> game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+</I>&gt;<i> tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;<i> the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;<i> without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;<i> the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;<i> update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at least
+
+you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that doesn't 
+work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb client is 
+required too
+
+so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which is not 
+really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just install mariadb 
+for that and remove mysql.
+
+you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql from 
+upstream, and put patches on it.
+
+the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some 
+improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server with 
+mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same server, due to 
+my.cnf )
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+but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to be 
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+&gt;<i> &gt; so please, test mariadb, build stuff against lib64mariadbclient18
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> we have several critical stuffs working on mysql, can't we wait for
+</I>&gt;<i> mga3 to work on this ?
+</I>
+We always have critical stuff working on mysql.
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+&gt;<i> We already broke a lot of stuffs in cauldron for now ( systemd is the
+</I>&gt;<i> more important ). Mikala told that akonadi works with mysql so before
+</I>&gt;<i> pushing in core/release i would appreciate you work on this to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure it builds/works with mariadb.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> can you ?
+</I>
+of course i can wait some more, however, it's because people don't test it, 
+that i'm wanting to test in core/release.
+
+I believe mikala said to his padawan that when i submit mariadb to 
+core/release that he should see if akonadi and/or amarok can build on it.
+
+this is not to say that i don't have done any local testing of course... but 
+core/updates_testing is just not used at all... it's been 3 weeks.
+
+my point is that we can submit mariadb so that it does get proper testing 
+before alpha2.
+
+I believe if it isn't workable, we can always delete mariadb and resubmit 
+mysql? right?
+
+AL13N
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+PS: i didn't test everything, but the things i did test, did not have 
+issues... so i don't think this is truly that problematic.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;<i> seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;<i> for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>
+is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we could 
+decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide mariadb as 
+alternative?
+
+to be able to make this decision would be great for it to be actually tested. 
+cauldron isn't definative, so submitting to core/release in cauldron seems to 
+be the best way to get a decent test. if it's not workable after a few days, 
+we can still resubmit mysql?
+
+
+Also, i've spoken at length with MariaDB and Monty and the other developers 
+are dedicated to making this work, because they see that no distro is yet 
+having their product. (except Suse and EPEL iirc.)
+
+( While i was at the channel, it appears someone from Arch was also 
+investigating MariaDB )
+
+and lastly, i think it's because the branches had been lagging behind, but now 
+5.5 is almost released (should be before februari) and they are in sync with 
+MySQL.
+
+at the same time it appears Oracle is close-sourcing some parts of mysql (or 
+so i've been told).
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+Personally I think this is exactly the correct time for this.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 19:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 10:32:14 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such), there is not 100%
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at least
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that doesn't 
+</I>&gt;<i> work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb client is 
+</I>&gt;<i> required too
+</I>
+Hmm, I'm not sure I understand why it doesn't work? Why can't
+mysqlclient.so itself be a symlink via alternatives? Does the linker
+bork perhaps?
+
+If both packages provide the same virtual provides (&quot;mysql-devel&quot;) then
+it should be pretty simple to make the one provided by mariadb to be the
+preferred one (not 100% sure how that works, but I think it's possible).
+
+&gt;<i> so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which is not 
+</I>&gt;<i> really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just install mariadb 
+</I>&gt;<i> for that and remove mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql from 
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream, and put patches on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some 
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server with 
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same server, due to 
+</I>&gt;<i> my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to be 
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoleted.
+</I>
+Thinking about all the issues, it will be pretty complicated to fully
+alternativify it (all the conf files etc. would be a bit of a pain)
+
+Not sure how to handle it, but I don't think obsoleting the existing
+mysql packages is a great idea... I guess just another round of testing
+after it hits the main repo might be enough? Can you just make the
+package provide the same things as the mysql ones but with a higher
+release number? That's how the systemd-sysvinit package was forced on
+people over sysvinit... perhaps the same approach here would force some
+testing and to revert all we need to do is bump the mysql rel up two
+notches and it'll become the default again?
+
+Col
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 01 december 2011 21:12:57 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 19:53 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 01 december 2011 10:32:14 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 01/12/11 08:05 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; A. I remove the mysql-client, libmysqlclient, mysql-common and assorted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; packages from mysql, and provide them with mariadb, since
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; libmysqlclient is drop-in replacable (same library ABI and such),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; there is not 100% requirement of rebuilding all libmysqlclient
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; dependant programs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think that rather than just provide them, it would make sense to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the update-alternatives system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's going to be quite hard to rip out one package and drop in the other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; without some problems so it would be nice if we could install both at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same time and switch between them with a simple update-alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; plan. This would perhaps facilitate easier testing too (i.e. easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compare one to the other and switch about etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; In the initial stages you can make MariaDB have a higher priority in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; update-alternatives setup to encourage more usage/testing coverage.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; While I appreciate it's extra effort for you and QA, I think this is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; best route forward for mga2 at least.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't think the update-alternative is usable for the client parts at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you will need to build programs with mariadb mysqlclient.so, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't work as alternatives, so that means the whole common and mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; client is required too
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand why it doesn't work? Why can't
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqlclient.so itself be a symlink via alternatives? Does the linker
+</I>&gt;<i> bork perhaps?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If both packages provide the same virtual provides (&quot;mysql-devel&quot;) then
+</I>&gt;<i> it should be pretty simple to make the one provided by mariadb to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> preferred one (not 100% sure how that works, but I think it's possible).
+</I>
+yes, this is what i first said to Anssi too when i asked him about it. but the 
+problem would be that other progs would be built against mysql and just drop-
+in replaced mariadb shared libs.
+
+Either it works perfectly, in which case we can just use libmysqlclient from 
+mariadb, or it doesn't work, and we shouldn't use the libmysqlclient from 
+mariadb anyway.
+
+then there is the my.cnf file, which contains extra [mariadb] for mariadb, 
+which is ignored when using mysql, but is used by both client and server.
+
+and lastly upstream told me that while mysql clients works with mariadb 
+server, it might not work (untested by upstream) to use mysql client on a host 
+with mariadb server, due to the my.cnf .
+
+thus since mariadb mysqlclient works with both mysql and mariadb the best way 
+is always to have mariadb clients even if you use mysql server. that is no 
+problem.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; so the only thing that can be alternativified would be the server, which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is not really necessary to be alternivified anyway, since you can just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install mariadb for that and remove mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you have to remember how mariadb works, it's like us, they take mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from upstream, and put patches on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the client doesn't have any major feature changes, it just has some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; improvements for if you'd use mariadb and some bugfixes. ( mariadb server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with mysql client, works also perfectly, allthough NOT on the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; server, due to my.cnf )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but however you look at it, client and common part of mysql will need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be obsoleted.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thinking about all the issues, it will be pretty complicated to fully
+</I>&gt;<i> alternativify it (all the conf files etc. would be a bit of a pain)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure how to handle it, but I don't think obsoleting the existing
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql packages is a great idea... I guess just another round of testing
+</I>&gt;<i> after it hits the main repo might be enough? Can you just make the
+</I>&gt;<i> package provide the same things as the mysql ones but with a higher
+</I>&gt;<i> release number? That's how the systemd-sysvinit package was forced on
+</I>&gt;<i> people over sysvinit... perhaps the same approach here would force some
+</I>&gt;<i> testing and to revert all we need to do is bump the mysql rel up two
+</I>&gt;<i> notches and it'll become the default again?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i don't really want to mess with versions, the versions which are there atm, 
+are the versions, that they are exactly the same, is because they ARE the same 
+and the most up2date. donno if bumping release would work.
+
+but then obsoleting is not a big thing, worst case, we drop mariadb and 
+resubmit mysql and problem solved.
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+and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql 
+eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we complete 
+this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without any real issues 
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+[changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2:
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+&gt;<i>Name        : gnome-boxes                  Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>Version     : 3.3.2                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>Release     : 1.mga2
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+&gt;<i>URL         : <A HREF="https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/boxes">https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/boxes</A>
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+&gt;<i>ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.3.2-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>+ Revision: 174969
+</I>&gt;<i>- fix MimeType in desktop file
+</I>&gt;<i>- Unity is not in .desktop file, no need to remove
+</I>&gt;<i>- imported package gnome-boxes
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+Hi Olav,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I believe mikala said to his padawan that when i submit mariadb to
+</I>&gt;<i> core/release that he should see if akonadi and/or amarok can build on it.
+</I>
+Hum ? my padawan ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we complete
+</I>&gt;<i> this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without any real issues
+</I>&gt;<i> if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>ZoneMinder is a new package in Cauldron which relies heavily on mysql.
+I can do the testing but will probably need some help on the migration. 
+I would hate to see it get broken now!
+Is there a tracker bug on this yet as I would like to stay in the loop ;)
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+&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 20:22, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and furthermore, if we do provide mariadb, we'll have to obsolete mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; eventually. why not complete test it when we have the chance? if we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; complete this testing before 9 dec, we can easily switch back without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; any real issues if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ZoneMinder is a new package in Cauldron which relies heavily on mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can do the testing but will probably need some help on the migration.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would hate to see it get broken now!
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a tracker bug on this yet as I would like to stay in the loop ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+* rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+* urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+* then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+* then install that
+* test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts 
+akonadi
+* then test your package
+
+i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus php-pdo-
+mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
+
+no bug/tracker for it
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+&gt;<i> if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>
+OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
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+&gt;<i> * then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+</I>
+I have BuildRequire on perl-DBD-mysql and Requires on perl-DBD-mysql, 
+mysql and php-mysql, I assume these will need to change?
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+&gt;<i> * then install that
+</I>&gt;<i> * test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts
+</I>&gt;<i> akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> * then test your package
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus php-pdo-
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no bug/tracker for it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I only noticed the thread in ML tonight, as I did not know what MariaDB 
+was it hadn't caught my attention!
+I will start on it tomorrow.
+Thanks,
+Barry
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+&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * then you can build against it, by rebuilding your src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have BuildRequire on perl-DBD-mysql and Requires on perl-DBD-mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql and php-mysql, I assume these will need to change?
+</I>
+no, mariadb provides the mysql names, thus, no need to change anything
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+actually, if you really want to test, you could rebuild also perl-DBD-mysql &amp; 
+php-mysql ;but not required
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+&gt;<i> &gt; * then install that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * test if everything works, perhaps reboot or logout or whatever restarts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * then test your package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i've already tested with phpmyadmin (thus php-mysql), drupal (thus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php-pdo- mysqli), amarok and akonadi...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no bug/tracker for it
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I only noticed the thread in ML tonight, as I did not know what MariaDB
+</I>&gt;<i> was it hadn't caught my attention!
+</I>&gt;<i> I will start on it tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
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+&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes it past QA.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not already.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The fix was made by Redhat,
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+It was a one char bug
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+                                 b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+                                 pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+-                               p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
++                               p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+                                 line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1) / 2;
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+&gt;<i> It would be  an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1 (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an update).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>01.12.2011 22:10, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:29 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we could
+</I>&gt;<i> decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide mariadb as
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative?
+</I>I wouldn't remove MySQL. If MariaDB can't be installed next to it then i 
+would wait til mga3.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+    <B>Pascal Terjan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is the build system currently stalled? Several failure packages do not
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+Yes sorry, I broke it for noarch packages last night while fixing the
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 07:39, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is the build system currently stalled? Several failure packages do not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> show error logs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes sorry, I broke it for noarch packages last night while fixing the
+</I>&gt;<i> race causing some kernel packages to be missing, fixed now
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+Actually I fixed the noarch packages failing to be detected as built
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 02/12/11 02:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it past QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The fix was made by Redhat,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It was a one char bug
+</I>
+One char fix, with a six char polish? :p
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>                                 b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i>                                 pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+</I>&gt;<i> -                               p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
+</I>&gt;<i> +                               p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+</I>&gt;<i>                                 line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> / 2;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It would be  an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 06:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:24:34 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It shouldn't be a problem. The only issue would be if the parsing code
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in dracut somehow gets confused by some content in your fstab and thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs to be adjusted to cope more gracefully with it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> File as attached.
+</I>
+Thanks.
+
+Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+
+It was a simple variable name typo.
+
+I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>&#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie  
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, it didn't work.
+
+Error message: device node not found
+
+dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+
+It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+
+There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
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+Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
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+I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+make the call before next beta or rc.
+
+WDYT?
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>
+
+Well, one thing dracut (or maybe it's systemd, I havent had time to 
+debug yet) is not able to do so far is to boot up a dmraid setup with
+2 raid1 (2x 2 disks) setup...
+
+if there is anthing in fstab referencing the second raid1 disk pair
+the boot stops. I currently work around it by manually activating and
+mounting the second raid set after the system is booted.
+
+This could maybe be fixed by not using dmraid anymore for
+Intel imsm raid, but instead let mdadm handle it.
+But that also means modifying the installer for that part.
+
+The good part of using dracut over mkinitrd with dmraid setups is
+that dracut uses the real dmraid to activate/access the raid,
+so it can boot even if one disk has failed. mkinitrd uses a stripped
+down dmraid support in nash that crashes on boot if one disk is
+missing.
+
+
+Other than that I haven't seen any problems with dracut so far.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it didn't work.
+</I>
+Well it kinda worked  - at least it's actually trying to mount /usr now!
+
+&gt;<i> Error message: device node not found
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
+</I>
+
+OK, so according to man e2fsck exit code 16 is &quot;Usage or syntax error&quot;
+
+I think this is due to using UUID=.
+
+I'll work on a fix for the next round of testing :D
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>
+I said I would need help :\
+
+I have these 12 mysql packages installed:-
+php-mysql-5.3.8-2.mga2
+perl-DBD-mysql-4.20.0-1.mga2
+mysql-common-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysqld0-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-client-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+qt4-database-plugin-mysql-4.7.4-5.mga2
+mysql-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysql18-5.5.15-2.mga2
+mysql-common-5.5.15-2.mga2
+lib64mysql-devel-5.5.15-2.mga2
+
+Yet with testing enabled I see :-
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq mariadb -a
+mariadb
+
+and...
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq --provides mariadb
+mysql
+adt_null.so()(64bit)
+auth_socket.so()(64bit)
+auth_test_plugin.so()(64bit)
+dialog.so()(64bit)
+dialog_examples.so()(64bit)
+ha_archive.so()(64bit)
+ha_blackhole.so()(64bit)
+ha_federated.so()(64bit)
+ha_federatedx.so()(64bit)
+ha_innodb.so()(64bit)
+ha_oqgraph.so()(64bit)
+ha_sphinx.so()(64bit)
+mypluglib.so()(64bit)
+mysql_clear_password.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_client.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_interface.so()(64bit)
+qa_auth_server.so()(64bit)
+semisync_master.so()(64bit)
+semisync_slave.so()(64bit)
+mariadb[== 5.5.15-0.4.mga2]
+mariadb(x86-64)[== 5.5.15-0.4.mga2]
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$
+
+So are you saying to remove all 12 or just &quot;mysql&quot; ?
+If I remove all 12 where do the replacements come from?
+Just a bit confused :\
+Maybe I'm missing something obvious  ;)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>
++1
+
+One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+
+This can probably be solved by some patching of
+modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+yet.
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+-----Original Message-----
+From: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">changelog-request at ml.mageia.org</A>
+Date: Fri,  2 Dec 2011 16:33:12 
+To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">changelog at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+
+Name        : mercurial                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+Version     : 2.0.1                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Dec  2 16:26:15 2011
+Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse
+Group       : Development/Other             Source RPM: (none)
+Size        : 3137345                          License: GPLv2+
+Signature   : (none)
+Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+URL         : <A HREF="http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/">http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/</A>
+Summary     : A fast, lightweight distributed source control management system
+Description :
+Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+designed for efficient handling of very large distributed
+projects. Major features include:
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+* Extremely high-performance delta-compressed storage scheme
+* Optimized for disk layout and access efficiency
+* Complete cross-indexing of files and changesets
+* Bandwidth and CPU efficient HTTP and SSH sync protocols
+* Distributed development model supports unlimited numbers of developers
+* Allows arbitrary merging between developer branches
+* Doesn't significantly degrade with large numbers of files or changesets
+* No waiting for locks!
+* SHA1 integrity checking on repository data
+* Append-only storage model with transaction journalling
+* Fast full-repository verification
+* Convenient backup
+* Most commands are familiar to users of CVS and other systems
+* Built-in command help
+* Integrated stand-alone web interface (example)
+* Works with various GUI tools
+* Runs on UNIX, MacOS X, and Windows
+* Conversion tools available for many popular SCMs
+* Allows a variety of usage models
+* Supports user-defined hooks and extensions
+* Source code available under the GPL license
+* Actively community supported and developed
+
+lebedov &lt;lebedov&gt; 2.0.1-1.mga2:
++ Revision: 175139
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+&gt;<i> Anyone else find the default settings in Dolphin after a clean Alpha1
+</I>&gt;<i> installation utterly useless?
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and BACK
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+</I>&gt;<i> For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
+</I>&gt;<i> buttons in place &quot;out of the box&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but after
+</I>&gt;<i> half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>
+The BACK button is there (1st button on the left). To get the UP
+button (or any other) click on the wrench icon and open &quot;Customize
+toolbar...&quot; (or similar, I'm using German menues).
+But I agree that BACK &amp; UP should be in the default toolbar.
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+</I>&gt;<i> designed for efficient handling of very large distributed projects.
+</I>
+In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
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+Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
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+    <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B> 
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+From: &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;
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+Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:45:57 
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+Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release
+	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+
+On Friday 02 December 2011 16:34, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
+</I>&gt;<i> designed for efficient handling of very large distributed projects.
+</I>
+In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
+
+Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
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+-- 
+Johnny A. Solbu
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 14:40:40 schreef Barry Jackson:
+&gt;<i> On 02/12/11 00:20, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I said I would need help :\
+</I>
+thanks for that!
+
+i guess i should be clearer, i meant the packages that are built from the 
+mysql src.rpm
+
+this is for you:
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+&gt;<i> mysql-common-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysqld0-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-client-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysql18-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql-common-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mysql-devel-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>
+ 
+&gt;<i> Yet with testing enabled I see :-
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq mariadb -a
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb
+</I>[...]
+
+(afaik mariadb is an exact match, so maybe that's why it lists only mariadb)
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# urpmq -Y mariadb
+lib64mariadb-devel
+lib64mariadb-embedded-devel
+lib64mariadb-embedded0
+lib64mariadb18
+lib64mariadbservices
+mariadb
+mariadb-bench
+mariadb-client
+mariadb-common
+mariadb-common-core
+mariadb-core
+
+
+thus, for you:
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+mariadb-common-core
+lib64mariadbservices
+lib64mariadb-embedded0
+mariadb-client
+mariadb-core
+mariadb
+lib64mariadb18
+mariadb-common
+lib64mariadb-devel
+
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 02 December 2011 16:34, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mercurial is a fast, lightweight source control management system
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+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion, this is enough. (Note that I moved the last word up to the end of the previous line.)
+</I>&gt;<i> If people really are interested in reading the features they can look at the projects homepage.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything from &quot;Major features include:&quot; and all &quot;bullet points&quot; should be dropped.
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 01.12.2011 22:10, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 01 december 2011 09:42:29 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i'll send a new thread on this, but it's not a final decision, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; nothing more than just a way to get more testing so we can decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; opt-out or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As said before there is no other major distro that did this switch. It
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; seems too early for me and lots of users do still use MySQL. I would go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for MariaDB as an alternative for Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is it ok if we could test MariaDB fully and if it's not good enough, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could decide to not use mariadb yet and resubmit mysql? or even provide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb as alternative?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't remove MySQL. If MariaDB can't be installed next to it then i
+</I>&gt;<i> would wait til mga3.
+</I>
+It can (not client), but there's no need imho; mariadb is actually no more 
+than the patched mysql because those patches are rejected by oracle (think 
+Google patches and facebook patches as an example) + extra storage engines.
+
+if you really want to, the unpatches original (same as mysql) storage engines 
+are available for mariadb as well:
+ - innodb (unpatched; xtradb is the patched one)
+ - myisam
+ - federated
+etc...
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+if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you agree?
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+&gt;<i> Anyone else find the default settings in Dolphin after a clean Alpha1
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and
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+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but
+</I>&gt;<i> after half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>If i'm not wrong there's some changes regarding dolphin's configuration, it was 
+already reported to me last week.
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+&gt;<i> if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;<i> agree?
+</I>
+I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+- phpmyadmin
+- amarok
+- nepomuk
+- akonadi
+- ....
+- install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
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+I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms 
+against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file searches 
+through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
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+Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2 alpha&quot;.
+We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 18:24:13 schreef zezinho:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:33:04, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+</I>&gt;<i> - phpmyadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> - amarok
+</I>&gt;<i> - nepomuk
+</I>&gt;<i> - akonadi
+</I>&gt;<i> - ....
+</I>&gt;<i> - install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms
+</I>&gt;<i> against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file
+</I>&gt;<i> searches through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2
+</I>&gt;<i> alpha&quot;. We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
+</I>
+you didn't think i did local tests?
+
+i tested with amarok, akonadi, drupal and phpmyadmin locally
+
+the purpose of this is exactly to get more testing
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+    <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> 
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+use Mageia on a production server
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+2011/12/2 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 18:24:13 schreef zezinho:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:33:04, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if we test mariadb, and you see no differences, why not drop it? do you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; agree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd say go slow, go for sure. We need a list of needed tests:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - phpmyadmin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - amarok
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - nepomuk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - akonadi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - install a cms like spip.net can also be interesting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I you want so much mariadb un mageia, I expect you to build all this srpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> against it, and test them a lot (some music files in amarok, some file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> searches through nepomuk, some addresses in akonadi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we can talk about submitting all this to mageia cauldron AKA &quot;2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alpha&quot;. We should not just push to cauldron without local tests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you didn't think i did local tests?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i tested with amarok, akonadi, drupal and phpmyadmin locally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the purpose of this is exactly to get more testing
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i> and benchmarks of MySQL vs MariaDB : this is important if you plan to
+</I>&gt;<i> use Mageia on a production server
+</I>[...]
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+yup these are important.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Michel Catudal at 02/12/11 02:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 30/11/2011 02:21, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel Catudal a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about putting back previously unsupported packages? The only text
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> editor that I use is joe and someone has decided to remove it from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took the Redhat Enterprise version and ported it to mageia. For a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> while the maintainers of joe has incorporated a bug that would make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it such that it would core dump if you tried to open more than one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file at a time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am willing to maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No problem, since you are willing to maintain it, as long as it makes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it past QA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Which means the core dump problem would have to be solved, if not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The fix was made by Redhat,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was a one char bug
+</I>&gt;<i> One char fix, with a six char polish? :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I meant a one line bug.
+&gt;&gt;<i>                                  b-&gt;oldcur = pdup(b-&gt;bof, USTR &quot;main&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>                                  pline(b-&gt;oldcur, get_file_pos(b-&gt;name));
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -                               p_goto_bol(bw-&gt;cursor);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +                               p_goto_bol(b-&gt;oldcur);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>                                  line = b-&gt;oldcur-&gt;line - (maint-&gt;h - 1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> / 2;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It would be  an update to cauldron, and a backport for Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (unless it was in Mandriva 2010.1/2, in which case it would be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> update).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>
+Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+switching etc...
+
+Shall I apply it?
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>
+Speaking of driver switching...
+
+Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early 
+boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 14:56:45 Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone else find the default settings in Dolphin after a clean Alpha1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation utterly useless?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BACK buttons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> buttons in place &quot;out of the box&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>&gt;<i> If i'm not wrong there's some changes regarding dolphin's configuration, it was
+</I>&gt;<i> already reported to me last week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll be able to work again on kde's configuration soon (i was quite buzy)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good that's excellent.
+
+May I suggest a basic default toolbar?
+
+HOME,BACK,FORWARDS,UP,RELOAD,FIND,SPLIT,Show Hidden Files
+
+I see no reason to add anything that is in the context menu.
+
+Also:-
+May I suggest that the icon view is NOT the default and that the details 
+view be made default. I really can't imagine that anyone who uses 
+dolphin for anything serious would use the icon view, as long filenames 
+get truncated. It gets quite tedious changing it for both root and 
+normal user on each fresh installation.
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+Just my 2 cents ;)
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+</I>&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>Well i still have a problem to have a valid initramfs for a livecd with 
+dracut, but i have to investigate a bit more if it's me or dracut :)
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+has anyone else tried to get it working for that?
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+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 2.12.2011 23:17:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Speaking of driver switching...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early
+</I>&gt;<i> boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
+</I>
+Seems doable (if a bit hacky), but unfortunately new radeon cards (at
+least cayman/northern islands) do not work without KMS at all (while
+slightly older cards like Evergreen mostly work but without any kind of
+2d/3d acceleration).
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+This also means that X server will fail to start since it doesn't
+fallback to autodetection (and therefore vesa) when the card is
+explicitely listed in xorg.conf.
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+Not quite sure what is the best way forward.
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+BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+the first time?
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 14:40:40 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02/12/11 00:20, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 00:13:28 schreef Barry Jackson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 01/12/11 22:47, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if you have a cauldron, you can enable updates_testing and then:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * rpm -e --nodeps all the mysql packages you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * urpmi all the identical mariadb packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK - I guess the names are similar - not looked yet ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I said I would need help :\
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for that!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess i should be clearer, i meant the packages that are built from the
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is for you:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql-common-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mysqld0-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql-client-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql-core-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mysql18-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql-common-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mysql-devel-5.5.15-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yet with testing enabled I see :-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">baz at jackodesktop</A> ~]$ urpmq mariadb -a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (afaik mariadb is an exact match, so maybe that's why it lists only mariadb)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# urpmq -Y mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb-embedded-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb-embedded0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb18
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadbservices
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-bench
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-client
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-common
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-common-core
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-core
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thus, for you:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-common-core
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadbservices
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb-embedded0
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-client
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-core
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb18
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-common
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mariadb-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> happy testing :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks,
+In fact all (except the -devel) were installed by default:-
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jackodesktop</A> baz]# urpmi mariadb
+In order to satisfy the 'libmysqlservices.so()(64bit)' dependency, one 
+of the following packages is needed:
+  1- lib64mysqlservices-5.5.15-2.mga2.x86_64: Shared libraries (to install)
+  2- lib64mariadbservices-5.5.15-0.4.mga2.x86_64: Shared libraries (to 
+install)
+What is your choice? (1-2) 2
+To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
+    Package                        Version      Release       Arch
+(medium &quot;Core Updates Testing (distrib5)&quot;)
+   lib64mariadb18                 5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   lib64mariadbservices           5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   mariadb                        5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   mariadb-client                 5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   mariadb-common                 5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   mariadb-common-core            5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+   mariadb-core                   5.5.15       0.4.mga2      x86_64
+97MB of additional disk space will be used.
+7.3MB of packages will be retrieved.
+Proceed with the installation of the 7 packages? (Y/n) y
+--------snip----------
+
+
+OK testing so far with ZoneMinder:-
+
+For those not familiar with ZoneMinder, in brief:-
+ZoneMinder is a LAMP Web application for monitoring CCTV cameras, 
+recording the video streams and serving them to LAN or WAN.
+It relies on a deep mysql database to store thousands of images in real 
+time. It also uses mysql to store the log files and display them in a
+web browser in the ZoneMinder console.
+
+I installed mariadb this evening and after working around a minor 
+mariadb packaging hiccup ;) (which is now apparently fixed in svn) I 
+re-built ZoneMinder against it.
+There were no issues in the re-build and the application seems totally 
+transparent to the change.
+There were no issues with my setup script which starts mysql, checks for 
+an existing mysql password, offers to optionally create one, checks for 
+an existing zm database and offers to use it, or replace it. I replaced 
+it and a new one was created without problem. The script then started 
+httpd and the ZoneMinder service.
+No problems at all.
+The only operational checks so far involve the logging database, but 
+that is working fine. Unfortunately I cannot test under full working 
+conditions without capture card or network cameras which I don't have
+connected to this hardware.
+I do have a server running ZoneMinder on mga1 with 8 cameras but until 
+mga2 is released and settled for a while I won't be updating it.
+
+So in a nutshell as far as I have tested it just works out of the box.
+
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+Funda, I saw you working on this package. No problem, I just don't want both 
+of us working on fixing this. Let me know.
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+&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 14:46, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> barjac&lt;barjac&gt; 0.63.0-9.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 173752
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Added ldconfig in %post and %postun
+</I>&gt;<i> This is supposed to be done automatically by file triggers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes - I was only reading something about that yesterday, however after 
+installation of courier-authlib prior to the addition of ldconfig in 
+%post and %postun, courier-imap would not build as it could not find a 
+lib installed by courier-authlib.
+I spent a lot of time with help from various people with more experience 
+than I have, trying to track down why courier-imap builds were failing 
+(only in Cauldron BTW)  :\
+There are some build output log extracts in 
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1974">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1974</A>
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+boost 1.48 is too new.
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+2011/12/3 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> boost upgrade broke zarafa deps
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda, I saw you working on this package. No problem, I just don't want both
+</I>&gt;<i> of us working on fixing this. Let me know.
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+Sent from my Motorola ATRIX&#8482; 4G on AT&amp;T
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+-----Original message-----
+From: Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 02:19:19 GMT+00:00
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
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+Thanks, you could give a try on zarafa, it seems that zarafa saying
+boost 1.48 is too new.
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+2011/12/3 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> boost upgrade broke zarafa deps
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda, I saw you working on this package. No problem, I just don't want both
+</I>&gt;<i> of us working on fixing this. Let me know.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+&gt;<i> On 03.12.2011 00:18, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 2.12.2011 23:17:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of driver switching...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems doable (if a bit hacky), but unfortunately new radeon cards (at
+</I>&gt;<i> least cayman/northern islands) do not work without KMS at all (while
+</I>&gt;<i> slightly older cards like Evergreen mostly work but without any kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> 2d/3d acceleration).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, I started thinking about those too after my post...
+
+&gt;<i> This also means that X server will fail to start since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> fallback to autodetection (and therefore vesa) when the card is
+</I>&gt;<i> explicitely listed in xorg.conf.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite sure what is the best way forward.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hm, so we would need a split in detection for nonkms capable cards
+and the rest...
+
+or take the easy way out and boot everyone on vesa until radeon firmware 
+is available...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, I've been thinking the same, but haven't gotten around to doing it 
+yet.
+
+and what about nvidia* and fglrx, should they do the same ?
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+and for a dkms related issue, I've also been thinking we whould
+trigger dkms rebuild on kernel install to save time on next bootup.
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+    <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B> 
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+<A HREF="http://banshee.fm/download/archives/2-1-0/">http://banshee.fm/download/archives/2-1-0/</A> openSUSE it dropped already) 
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+<PRE>W dniu 23.11.2011 22:30, Philippe Makowski pisze:
+&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;  a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok dead or nearly, no package maintainer, certainly alternatives (I don't know) so we can drop it
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+</I>pino is moved to obsoletes in our svn
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+    <B>Sebastian</B> 
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 23.11.2011 22:30, Philippe Makowski pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;  a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok dead or nearly, no package maintainer, certainly alternatives (I 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't know) so we can drop it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pino is moved to obsoletes in our svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please remove it from mirrors
+</I>
+Pino may be dead or dieing, but it is still a very popular client for 
+Identi.ca. I find it a very good client, as a result I strongly believe 
+that it should definitely stay in the repos for Mageia 2.
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+If Pino is no longer made I think it would be good for many distros to 
+still provide it in their repos for at least another year
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+Also looking at things from a user point of view, I think that many 
+computer users don't mind using old software that is no longer 
+maintained as long as they can still use it for it's intended purpose. I 
+think that for myself and many other people that use Identi.ca  Pino is 
+an example of this.
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+Unfortunately at the moment though in my install of Mageia 2 Alpha 1 
+with the latest updates, I can't install Pino using RPMdrake, because:
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+Sorry, the following package cannot be selected:
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+- pino-0.2.11-1.mga1.i586 (due to unsatisfied libnotify.so.1)
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+As for other clients that could be provided in the repos there's Gwibber 
+and Hotot and so on.
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+&gt;<i> On 28/11/11 14:39, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 14:46, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> barjac&lt;barjac&gt; 0.63.0-9.mga2:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Added ldconfig in %post and %postun
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is supposed to be done automatically by file triggers...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yes - I was only reading something about that yesterday, however after
+</I>&gt;<i> installation of courier-authlib prior to the addition of ldconfig in %post
+</I>&gt;<i> and %postun, courier-imap would not build as it could not find a lib
+</I>&gt;<i> installed by courier-authlib.
+</I>
+Can't reproduce your &quot;bug&quot; with up-to-date Cauldron chroots. Tried
+both i586 and x86_64.
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/12/3 Sebastian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Pino may be dead or dieing, but it is still a very popular client for
+</I>&gt;<i> Identi.ca. I find it a very good client, as a result I strongly believe &gt; that it should definitely stay in the repos for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Pino is no longer made I think it would be good for many distros &gt; to still provide it in their repos for at least another year
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also looking at things from a user point of view, I think that many &gt; computer users don't mind using old software that is no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained as long as they can still use it for it's intended
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose. I think that for myself and
+</I>&gt;<i> many other people that use Identi.ca &#160;Pino is an example of this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately at the moment though in my install of Mageia 2 Alpha 1 with
+</I>&gt;<i> the latest updates, I can't install Pino using RPMdrake, because:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, the following package cannot be selected:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - pino-0.2.11-1.mga1.i586 (due to unsatisfied libnotify.so.1)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The problem in this case is: pino isn't working anymore with the newer
+libraries included in Mageia.
+It can't be built against those libraries and with no upstream to fix
+that, one of our packagers would have to take over the de facto
+development.
+Also there are alternatives in the repo, aren't there?
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+&gt;<i> As for other clients that could be provided in the repos there's Gwibber and
+</I>&gt;<i> Hotot and so on.
+</I>gwibber is in the repos, about others I don't know. I don't use that
+stuff. But you can always file a rpm request on our bugzilla.
+
+Oliver
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:05:31 -0500, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+Fyi. On one of my cauldron installs, I have /usr in a lvm
+logical volume.  In order to get this to be bootable, I
+modified /etc/dracut.conf to have
+add_drivers+=&quot;dm_mod dm_crypt&quot;
+and
+install_items+=(/bin/grep /lib/libpcre.so.0.0.1 /lib/libpcre.so.0 /lib/libdevmapper-event.so.1.02 /lib/libdevmapper.so.1.02 /lib/libreadline.so.6 /lib/libncurses.so.5 /sbin/lvm /lib/modules/3.1.4-server-1.mga2/kernel/drivers/md/dm-crypt.ko.gz /lib/modules/3.1.4-server-1.mga2/kernel/drivers/md/dm-mod.ko.gz /sbin/dmsetup /sbin/lsmod )
+
+I modified /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/98usrmount/mount-usr.sh to have ...
+#!/bin/sh
+# -*- mode: shell-script; indent-tabs-mode: nil; sh-basic-offset: 4; -*-
+# ex: ts=8 sw=4 sts=4 et filetype=sh
+
+type info &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 || . /lib/dracut-lib.sh
+type fsck_single &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 || . /lib/fs-lib.sh
+
+mount_usr()
+{
+     local _dev _mp _fs _opts _rest _fs_found _ret _mount_point
+     if ! __fgrep &quot;device-mapper&quot; /proc/devices &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 ; then
+        modprobe dm-mod &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+     fi
+     /sbin/lvm vgchange -a y --sysinit
+fsck_mount()
+(
+     # check, if we have to mount the filesystem
+     _fs_found=&quot;&quot;
+     while read _dev _mp _fs _opts _rest; do
+         if [ &quot;$_mp&quot; = &quot;/$_mount_point&quot; ]; then
+             echo &quot;$_dev $NEWROOT/$_mp $_fs ${_opts} $_rest&quot;
+             _fs_found=&quot;1&quot;
+             break
+         fi
+     done &lt; &quot;$NEWROOT/etc/fstab&quot; &gt;&gt; /etc/fstab
+     if [ &quot;x$_fs_found&quot; != &quot;x&quot; ]; then
+         # we have to mount it
+         fsck_single &quot;$_dev&quot; &quot;$_fs&quot;
+         _ret=$?
+         echo $_ret &gt;/run/initramfs/$_mount_point-fsck
+         if [ $_ret -ne 255 ]; then
+             info &quot;Mounting /$_mount_point&quot;
+             mount &quot;$NEWROOT/$_mount_point&quot; 2&gt;&amp;1 | vinfo
+         fi
+     fi
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+     _mount_point=&quot;usr&quot;; fsck_mount
+     _mount_point=&quot;var&quot;; fsck_mount
+     _mount_point=&quot;var/mnt&quot;; fsck_mount
+     _mount_point=&quot;opt&quot;; fsck_mount
+     _mount_point=&quot;tmp&quot;; fsck_mount
+     _mount_point=&quot;home&quot;; fsck_mount
+}
+
+mount_usr
+
+I initially only had the /usr being mounted, but found that when it
+got around to trying to mount the next lv, it would report that the
+mount timed out due to a dependency failure, but with no indication
+of why.  I ended up modifying the script to mount all of my lvm
+partitions, in the initramfs, to get it to work.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i>blino &lt;blino&gt; 4.4.23.1-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>+ Revision: 175272
+</I>&gt;<i>- do not try to add LAST LINE comments anymore in config files:
+</I>
+Cher Olivier,
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 03/12/11 09:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:05:31 -0500, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fyi. On one of my cauldron installs, I have /usr in a lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> logical volume.  In order to get this to be bootable, I
+</I>&gt;<i> modified /etc/dracut.conf to have
+</I>&gt;<i> add_drivers+=&quot;dm_mod dm_crypt&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> install_items+=(/bin/grep /lib/libpcre.so.0.0.1 /lib/libpcre.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/libdevmapper-event.so.1.02 /lib/libdevmapper.so.1.02
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/libreadline.so.6 /lib/libncurses.so.5 /sbin/lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/modules/3.1.4-server-1.mga2/kernel/drivers/md/dm-crypt.ko.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/modules/3.1.4-server-1.mga2/kernel/drivers/md/dm-mod.ko.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/dmsetup /sbin/lsmod )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I modified /usr/share/dracut/modules.d/98usrmount/mount-usr.sh to have ...
+</I>&gt;<i> #!/bin/sh
+</I>&gt;<i> # -*- mode: shell-script; indent-tabs-mode: nil; sh-basic-offset: 4; -*-
+</I>&gt;<i> # ex: ts=8 sw=4 sts=4 et filetype=sh
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> type info &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 || . /lib/dracut-lib.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> type fsck_single &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 || . /lib/fs-lib.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> mount_usr()
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i>     local _dev _mp _fs _opts _rest _fs_found _ret _mount_point
+</I>&gt;<i>     if ! __fgrep &quot;device-mapper&quot; /proc/devices &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 ; then
+</I>&gt;<i>        modprobe dm-mod &gt;/dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+</I>&gt;<i>     fi
+</I>&gt;<i>     /sbin/lvm vgchange -a y --sysinit
+</I>&gt;<i> fsck_mount()
+</I>&gt;<i> (
+</I>&gt;<i>     # check, if we have to mount the filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i>     _fs_found=&quot;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>     while read _dev _mp _fs _opts _rest; do
+</I>&gt;<i>         if [ &quot;$_mp&quot; = &quot;/$_mount_point&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i>             echo &quot;$_dev $NEWROOT/$_mp $_fs ${_opts} $_rest&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>             _fs_found=&quot;1&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>             break
+</I>&gt;<i>         fi
+</I>&gt;<i>     done &lt; &quot;$NEWROOT/etc/fstab&quot; &gt;&gt; /etc/fstab
+</I>&gt;<i>     if [ &quot;x$_fs_found&quot; != &quot;x&quot; ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i>         # we have to mount it
+</I>&gt;<i>         fsck_single &quot;$_dev&quot; &quot;$_fs&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>         _ret=$?
+</I>&gt;<i>         echo $_ret &gt;/run/initramfs/$_mount_point-fsck
+</I>&gt;<i>         if [ $_ret -ne 255 ]; then
+</I>&gt;<i>             info &quot;Mounting /$_mount_point&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>             mount &quot;$NEWROOT/$_mount_point&quot; 2&gt;&amp;1 | vinfo
+</I>&gt;<i>         fi
+</I>&gt;<i>     fi
+</I>&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;usr&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;var&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;var/mnt&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;opt&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;tmp&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i>     _mount_point=&quot;home&quot;; fsck_mount
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> mount_usr
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I initially only had the /usr being mounted, but found that when it
+</I>&gt;<i> got around to trying to mount the next lv, it would report that the
+</I>&gt;<i> mount timed out due to a dependency failure, but with no indication
+</I>&gt;<i> of why.  I ended up modifying the script to mount all of my lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> partitions, in the initramfs, to get it to work.
+</I>
+Cheers Dave. I'll speak to Harald to see how best to handle this in a
+more official way.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/3 Barry Jackson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at zen.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 28/11/11 14:39, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 14:46, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> barjac&lt;barjac&gt;  0.63.0-9.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 173752
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Added ldconfig in %post and %postun
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is supposed to be done automatically by file triggers...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes - I was only reading something about that yesterday, however after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation of courier-authlib prior to the addition of ldconfig in %post
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and %postun, courier-imap would not build as it could not find a lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed by courier-authlib.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't reproduce your &quot;bug&quot; with up-to-date Cauldron chroots. Tried
+</I>&gt;<i> both i586 and x86_64.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Removed %post and %postun scripts, rebuild courier-authlib and build
+</I>&gt;<i> courier-imap with new courier-authlib and all went just fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Very strange.
+This was also confirmed by shlomif who hit the same errors prior to
+the addition of ldconfig.
+Maybe something else fixed this in the meantime.
+I will re-test in a new clean fully updated installation.
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+&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 15:57, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall I apply it?
+</I>
+I just updated dracut with another patch, so I included this one too.
+
+I know there is ongoing discussions about firmwares etc. but I think
+this patch still stands alone.
+
+I'll discuss with Harald if there is a way to upstream this in a semi
+generic way. If not, we just carry it as a local patch.
+
+Thanks
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, it didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well it kinda worked  - at least it's actually trying to mount /usr now!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Error message: device node not found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so according to man e2fsck exit code 16 is &quot;Usage or syntax error&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is due to using UUID=.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll work on a fix for the next round of testing :D
+</I>
+
+OK, hopefully 013-6.mga2 will work for you!
+
+Col
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>make: *** No rule to make target
+`/usr/lib/perl5/5.14.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/CORE/EXTERN.h',
+needed by `Tools.o'.  Stop.
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+You should add  perl-devel into buildRequires.
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+2011/12/3 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've made a complicated perl pkg today (instead of sepc file that's very
+</I>&gt;<i> simple). I've got a build error and I'm mailing here for help :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In PJ, the spec file and the error here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log</A>
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+    <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B> 
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+-----Original Message-----
+From: Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:05:35 
+To: Mageia development mailing-list&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+make: *** No rule to make target
+`/usr/lib/perl5/5.14.2/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/CORE/EXTERN.h',
+needed by `Tools.o'.  Stop.
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+You should add  perl-devel into buildRequires.
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+2011/12/3 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've made a complicated perl pkg today (instead of sepc file that's very
+</I>&gt;<i> simple). I've got a build error and I'm mailing here for help :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In PJ, the spec file and the error here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111203113946.kharec.valstar.31298/log/perl-Search-Tools-0.650.0-1.mga2/build.0.20111203114002.log</A>
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+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 3.12.2011 01:06:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03.12.2011 00:18, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 2.12.2011 23:17:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of driver switching...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems doable (if a bit hacky), but unfortunately new radeon cards (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least cayman/northern islands) do not work without KMS at all (while
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> slightly older cards like Evergreen mostly work but without any kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2d/3d acceleration).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I started thinking about those too after my post...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This also means that X server will fail to start since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fallback to autodetection (and therefore vesa) when the card is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely listed in xorg.conf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not quite sure what is the best way forward.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, so we would need a split in detection for nonkms capable cards
+</I>&gt;<i> and the rest...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> or take the easy way out and boot everyone on vesa until radeon firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> is available...
+</I>
+Does loading of radeon modesetting kernel driver without firmware break
+the boot completely, or does it just make X.org server fail to start?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, I've been thinking the same, but haven't gotten around to doing it
+</I>&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and what about nvidia* and fglrx, should they do the same ?
+</I>
+Well, currently we always include the KMS drivers in initrd, and when
+nvidia* or fglrx is enabled we simply add nokmsboot (mga/mdv specific)
+kernel parameter to avoid initrd rebuild.
+
+&gt;<i> and for a dkms related issue, I've also been thinking we whould
+</I>&gt;<i> trigger dkms rebuild on kernel install to save time on next bootup.
+</I>
+That would seem reasonable, it would just be a matter of
+[ -x /usr/sbin/dkms_autoinstaller ] &amp;&amp; \
+	/usr/sbin/dkms_autoinstaller start %kernelver || :
+in kernel %post AFAICS...
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> On 02/12/11 16:41, Balcaen John wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 2 d&#233;cembre 2011 14:56:45 Barry Jackson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone else find the default settings in Dolphin after a clean Alpha1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation utterly useless?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's not even possible to easily navigate a file system without UP and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BACK buttons.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For new users I think the toolbar should have all the regularly needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> buttons in place &quot;out of the box&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tried to figure out where these are stored and in which package, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after half an hour I gave up :\
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If i'm not wrong there's some changes regarding dolphin's configuration,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already reported to me last week.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll be able to work again on kde's configuration soon (i was quite buzy)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good that's excellent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May I suggest a basic default toolbar?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HOME,BACK,FORWARDS,UP,RELOAD,FIND,SPLIT,Show Hidden Files
+</I>
+I would add PREVIEW to that list.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see no reason to add anything that is in the context menu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also:-
+</I>&gt;<i> May I suggest that the icon view is NOT the default and that the details
+</I>&gt;<i> view be made default. I really can't imagine that anyone who uses dolphin
+</I>&gt;<i> for anything serious would use the icon view, as long filenames get
+</I>&gt;<i> truncated. It gets quite tedious changing it for both root and normal user
+</I>&gt;<i> on each fresh installation.
+</I>
+Also, having details view, can we enable the little drop down arrows
+by default too.
+
+For icon mode, changing from 2 lines for the filename to 1 would be nice too.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just my 2 cents ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+Addig the information panal back would be good as well.
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+I may have got a little carried away here...
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+I propose to we configure our kernel to emit timestamps in kernel messages.
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++ This allows quickly seeing the timing of kernel messages when using
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++ Allows to quickly see which msgs come from kernel when other
+  processes (like systemd) inject messages there.
++ Others are doing it AFAIK.
+- Causes longer log lines
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+Patch attached.
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+&gt;<i>Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I propose to we configure our kernel to emit timestamps in kernel messages.
+</I>
+Please! Like (some) tmb kernels did/do.
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+Tks+
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:22:26 +0200, Anssi Hannula wrote about [Mageia-dev]
+</I>&gt;<i> Enable kernel log timestamps?:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to we configure our kernel to emit timestamps in kernel messages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please! Like (some) tmb kernels did/do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tks+
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
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+<PRE>03.12.2011 18:22, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to we configure our kernel to emit timestamps in kernel messages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + This allows quickly seeing the timing of kernel messages when using
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;dmesg&quot; command.
+</I>&gt;<i> + Allows to quickly see which msgs come from kernel when other
+</I>&gt;<i>    processes (like systemd) inject messages there.
+</I>&gt;<i> + Others are doing it AFAIK.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Causes longer log lines
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I'm not sure I like to enable it by default as it also makes it a pain 
+to compare 2 dmesgs as you cant do a simple diff anymore.
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+Whats more, it can be enabled dynamically when really needed by adding 
+&quot;printk.time=1&quot; to the kernel command line.
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+<PRE>03.12.2011 20:26, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+&gt;<i> 03.12.2011 18:22, Anssi Hannula skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I propose to we configure our kernel to emit timestamps in kernel messages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + This allows quickly seeing the timing of kernel messages when using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the &quot;dmesg&quot; command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Allows to quickly see which msgs come from kernel when other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     processes (like systemd) inject messages there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Others are doing it AFAIK.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Causes longer log lines
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure I like to enable it by default as it also makes it a pain
+</I>&gt;<i> to compare 2 dmesgs as you cant do a simple diff anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whats more, it can be enabled dynamically when really needed by adding
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;printk.time=1&quot; to the kernel command line.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I used to have it enabled in kernel-tmb during
+</I>
+(sigh, pressed send by mistake)
+
+I used to have it enabled in kernel-tmb during some debugging, but 
+disabled it again when I remembered it can be enabled dynamically.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>
+Yes : I had this problem testing Alpha1 DVD on a RV100 hardware.
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+- no X after install (I should have tested in the installer?)
+- installed radeon firmware, reboot, still no X
+- updated initrd, then it works
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+    <B>Barry Jackson</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 03/12/11 08:37, Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/3 Barry Jackson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">zen25000 at zen.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 28/11/11 14:39, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 28/11/2011 14:46, Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> barjac&lt;barjac&gt; 0.63.0-9.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 173752
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Added ldconfig in %post and %postun
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is supposed to be done automatically by file triggers...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes - I was only reading something about that yesterday, however after
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation of courier-authlib prior to the addition of ldconfig in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %post
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and %postun, courier-imap would not build as it could not find a lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed by courier-authlib.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can't reproduce your &quot;bug&quot; with up-to-date Cauldron chroots. Tried
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both i586 and x86_64.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Removed %post and %postun scripts, rebuild courier-authlib and build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> courier-imap with new courier-authlib and all went just fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very strange.
+</I>&gt;<i> This was also confirmed by shlomif who hit the same errors prior to
+</I>&gt;<i> the addition of ldconfig.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe something else fixed this in the meantime.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will re-test in a new clean fully updated installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree.
+I have tested several times.
+I have removed the scripts in courier-authlib in svn and bumped the 
+release of courier-authlib and courier-imap, to force it to re-build
+as a final check.
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+I wish I knew what fixed this issue.
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 23.11.2011 22:30, Philippe Makowski pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 15:34, philippe makowski
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/11/23 Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is, why we are shipping a dead package?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dead ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/">https://bitbucket.org/troorl/pino3/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not sure it is dead
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is dead as in &quot;build errors reported 1 year ago have not been fixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok dead or nearly, no package maintainer, certainly alternatives (I don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know) so we can drop it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pino is moved to obsoletes in our svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please remove it from mirrors
+</I>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 00:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;<i> This may already be know otherwise I can provide details 
+</I>
+Which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
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+Is the problem before the initrd hands over and does it's pivotroot?
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+Col
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I just updated dracut with another patch, so I included this one too.
+</I>Tried and things are changed now, before i couldn't boot because it could not 
+found root, but i could go on dracut shell, now i got a panic after
+this dracut warning:
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+&gt;<i> Hi Col,
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I just updated dracut with another patch, so I included this one too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Tried and things are changed now, before i couldn't boot because it could
+</I>&gt;<i> not found root, but i could go on dracut shell, now i got a panic after
+</I>&gt;<i> this dracut warning:
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut FATAL: Don't know how to handle 'root=live:CDLABEL=live-
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64-201112032259
+</I>If i change to root=/dev/sr0 i can go on and got the following errors instead
+(but now i'm in dracut shell):
+dracut warning: /sysroot has no proper rootfs layout, ignoring and removing
+offending mount hook
+dracut Warning: Can't mount root filesystem.
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+But i'm not sure here it's only a dracut fault :/
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+[changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2:
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+&gt;<i>Name        : glib2.0                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>Version     : 2.31.2                            Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i>Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Tue Nov 22
+</I>&gt;<i>03:01:16 2011 
+</I>
+&gt;<i>fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.31.2-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>+ Revision: 170724
+</I>&gt;<i>- fix str fmt
+</I>&gt;<i>- new version 2.31.2
+</I>
+Trying to compile sylpheed 3.2.0beta4, I get this error:
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+In file included from /usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h:9:0,
+                 from defs.h:27,
+                 from account.c:24:
+/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmacros.h:32:2: error: #error &quot;Only &lt;glib.h&gt; can
+be included directly.&quot; account.c: In function &#8216;account_address_exist&#8217;:
+account.c:279:9: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
+make[3]: *** [account.lo] Error 1
+make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dvg/untar/sylpheed-3.2.0beta4/libsylph'
+make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
+make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dvg/untar/sylpheed-3.2.0beta4/libsylph'
+make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
+make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dvg/untar/sylpheed-3.2.0beta4'
+make: *** [all] Error 2
+
+Please compare:
+<A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/d1147521/general-developpement/programmation-systeme/linux/gtk/gtkp/only-glib-h-can-be-included-directly/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/d1147521/general-developpement/programmation-systeme/linux/gtk/gtkp/only-glib-h-can-be-included-directly/</A>
+which was posted 30th October 2011.
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+I am not a dev, so I'm wondering if this is a bug in our package or am I
+missing stg?
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+Thanks and BFN,
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+&gt;<i> In file included from /usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h:9:0,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; from defs.h:27,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; from account.c:24:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmacros.h:32:2: error: #error &quot;Only &lt;glib.h&gt; can
+</I>&gt;<i> be included directly.&quot; account.c: In function &#8216;account_address_exist&#8217;:
+</I>It says clearly, only glib.h can be included. You may want to check
+defs.h or account.c, for something like:
+#include &lt;glib/foo.h&gt;
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+&gt;<i> New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;<i> This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>Here it boots.
+uname -a
+Linux gimli 3.1.4-desktop-1.mga2 #1 SMP Tue Nov 29 09:18:33 UTC 2011 x86_64 
+x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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+&gt;<i>It says clearly, only glib.h can be included. You may want to check
+</I>&gt;<i>defs.h or account.c, for something like:
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+</I>&gt;<i>and change it into
+</I>&gt;<i>#include &lt;glib.h&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i>Don't forget reporting upstream.
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+    <B>John Bowden</B> 
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+&gt;<i> New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;<i> This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>Works here in VmPlayer with the 64bit dvd.
+uname -a
+Linux localhost 3.1.4-server-1.mga2 #1 SMP Tue Nov 29 10:09:49 UTC 
+2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 00:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Is the problem before the initrd hands over and does it's pivotroot?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>The problem shows as it cannot mount the HD partitions, neither of them:
+
+I see Loading ata_piix module
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 15:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, December 04, 2011 03:39:34 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 00:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is the problem before the initrd hands over and does it's pivotroot?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem shows as it cannot mount the HD partitions, neither of them:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I see Loading ata_piix module
+</I>&gt;<i> /bin/modeprobe: symbol lookup error: /bin/modeprobe: undefined symbol: mod_warn
+</I>
+I ask again, which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+Also which version of dracut if you happen to be using it?
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 15:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday, December 04, 2011 03:39:34 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 00:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is the problem before the initrd hands over and does it's pivotroot?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem shows as it cannot mount the HD partitions, neither of them:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I see Loading ata_piix module
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /bin/modeprobe: symbol lookup error: /bin/modeprobe: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mod_warn
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I ask again, which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;<i> Also which version of dracut if you happen to be using it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>I guess mkinitrd 6.0.93 since this is installed and dracut isn't installed
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+    <B>Florian Hubold</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/3 Sebastian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pino may be dead or dieing, but it is still a very popular client for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Identi.ca. I find it a very good client, as a result I strongly believe &gt; that it should definitely stay in the repos for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If Pino is no longer made I think it would be good for many distros &gt; to still provide it in their repos for at least another year
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also looking at things from a user point of view, I think that many &gt; computer users don't mind using old software that is no longer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintained as long as they can still use it for it's intended
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> purpose. I think that for myself and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> many other people that use Identi.ca  Pino is an example of this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately at the moment though in my install of Mageia 2 Alpha 1 with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the latest updates, I can't install Pino using RPMdrake, because:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, the following package cannot be selected:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - pino-0.2.11-1.mga1.i586 (due to unsatisfied libnotify.so.1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem in this case is: pino isn't working anymore with the newer
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries included in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> It can't be built against those libraries and with no upstream to fix
+</I>&gt;<i> that, one of our packagers would have to take over the de facto
+</I>&gt;<i> development.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also there are alternatives in the repo, aren't there?
+</I>Seconding that!
+Also users may use old versions of software, but from a quality
+assurance and security point of view, Mageia as a distribution
+should not encourage such practics. Think about security fixes,
+or potential bugs. Who will fix them if upstream doesn't?
+&gt;&gt;<i> As for other clients that could be provided in the repos there's Gwibber and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hotot and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i> gwibber is in the repos, about others I don't know. I don't use that
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff. But you can always file a rpm request on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+&gt;<i> anssi &lt;anssi&gt; 0.1.297-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 175262
+</I>&gt;<i> - 0.1.297
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o add new ATI ids from the free and proprietary drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o add new NVIDIA ids from the proprietary driver
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o add new Intel ids from the i915 driver
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o disable nvidia173 and nvidia96xx as they do not support X.org server
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;1.11
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o switch NVIDIA Fermi (400/500 series) from vesa to nouveau driver
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;except for some PMC.ID 0xd9 cards (GF410/510/520 and Quadro 4200M)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;that will only get support in kernel 3.2
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+&gt;<i> This packages contains the server and base modules :
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_access
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_accesslog
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+</I>&gt;<i> mod_fastcgi
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_flv_streaming
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_indexfile
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_redirect
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_rewrite
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_rrdtool
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_scgi
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_secdownload
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_setenv
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_simple_vhost
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_ssi
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_staticfile
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_status
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_userdir
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_usertrack
+</I>&gt;<i> mod_evasive
+</I>
+description is too long, this shouldn't be in
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 17:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday, December 04, 2011 09:08:24 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 15:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday, December 04, 2011 03:39:34 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 04/12/11 00:26 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox because of modprob error.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This may already be know otherwise I can provide details
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is the problem before the initrd hands over and does it's pivotroot?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem shows as it cannot mount the HD partitions, neither of them:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I see Loading ata_piix module
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /bin/modeprobe: symbol lookup error: /bin/modeprobe: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mod_warn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I ask again, which initrd generator are you using, mkinitrd or dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also which version of dracut if you happen to be using it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess mkinitrd 6.0.93 since this is installed and dracut isn't installed
+</I>
+Could you maybe install dracut and regenerate the initrd to see if it helps?
+
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> barjac &lt;barjac&gt; 4.9.3-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 174312
+</I>&gt;<i> - Bump release to one above mga1
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+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- Committed
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+That doesn't mean anything.
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 02 december 2011 20:19:10 schreef Fabrice Facorat:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and benchmarks of MySQL vs MariaDB : this is important if you plan to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use Mageia on a production server
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+It seems that we have a serious issue on jonund, which cannot install
+gcc-c++....
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+the line: gcc-c++-4.5.2-5.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+libppl_c.so.2()(64bit))
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+2011/12/5 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that we have a serious issue on jonund, which cannot install
+</I>&gt;<i> gcc-c++....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The log:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the line: gcc-c++-4.5.2-5.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> libppl_c.so.2()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ? Thanks :)
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+    <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B> 
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+That means gcc 4.6 will come soon, I think.
+
+2011/12/5 Sandro CAZZANIGA &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that we have a serious issue on jonund, which cannot install
+</I>&gt;<i> gcc-c++....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The log:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20111205045657.kharec.valstar.31399/log/botcmd.1323061022.jonund.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the line: gcc-c++-4.5.2-5.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> libppl_c.so.2()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ? Thanks :)
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+2011/12/5  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+I propose to move nouveau DRI drivers from libdri-drivers-experimental
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+Fedora moved them out of -experimental in last January, Ubuntu in last
+June, OpenSUSE in July (though OpenSUSE doesn't have the legacy
+nouveau_vieux DRI driver at all), and Debian a week ago.
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+I've been running with it for the last week or so with no problems on my
+card.
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+WDYT?
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+2. swrastg
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+It seems we have both swrast_dri.so and swrastg_dri.so in libdri-drivers
+package.
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+swrast_dri.so is the traditional SW rasterizer used when there is no HW
+support.
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+swrastg_dri.so is the Gallium3d-based rasterizer which is considerably
+faster.
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+However, actually only swrast_dri.so is used, so should we:
+1) switch to swrastg, drop swrast (Fedora in Nov 2010)
+2) keep it as is, unused (~4 MB)
+3) move swrastg to libdri-drivers-experimental (Ubuntu in Jun 2010,
+   Debian a week ago) which nouveau is probably moving out of
+4) drop swrastg completely for now (seemingly OpenSUSE)
+
+Unfortunately I have no idea on the status of swrastg beyond the above
+distro information, and the fact that it does indeed work as tested
+while writing this, and XBMC runs smoother with it than with swrast.
+
+I'd be somewhat inclined to follow Fedora here, but I'm not at all sure.
+
+WDYT (see also below)?
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+Implementation note: With a quick look I didn't find any easy way to
+switch a system to use swrastg_dri.so when both are installed; if we
+want to provide switching between them, we need to either
+a) use alternatives for swrast_dri.so, or
+b) have swrastg_dri.so in a different dir and have that path first in
+   the dri search path so that when -experimental is installed, it
+   will get preferred (while mesa has the needed code already, xserver
+   would need a trivial patch as it currently has a single search path)
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+&gt;<i> Could distrib admin just copy libppl7 and libppl_c2 from mageia 1 into cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/12/5 &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think too, but that's mean that we cannot submit pkg until it's uploaded, isn't it?
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+    <B>Sandro CAZZANIGA</B> 
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+You have probably heard about perl 6, the little brother of perl 5. It will
+be, for me, an excellent langage, extremely strong. My question is the
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+Can I package rakudo for Mageia Cauldron?
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+We haven't got it for now and I think it miss.
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+&gt;<i> I propose to move nouveau DRI drivers from libdri-drivers-experimental
+</I>&gt;<i> to libdri-drivers.
+</I>
+Agreed. I use nouveau for 6 months without any problem.
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+&gt;<i> It seems we have both swrast_dri.so and swrastg_dri.so in libdri-drivers
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+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 05/12/11 06:09 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to move nouveau DRI drivers from libdri-drivers-experimental
+</I>&gt;<i> to libdri-drivers.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora moved them out of -experimental in last January, Ubuntu in last
+</I>&gt;<i> June, OpenSUSE in July (though OpenSUSE doesn't have the legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> nouveau_vieux DRI driver at all), and Debian a week ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been running with it for the last week or so with no problems on my
+</I>&gt;<i> card.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+Seems sensible. I've not got any NV h/w but this seems like the Right
+Thing to Do(tm).
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+&gt;<i> 2. swrastg
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems we have both swrast_dri.so and swrastg_dri.so in libdri-drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> swrast_dri.so is the traditional SW rasterizer used when there is no HW
+</I>&gt;<i> support.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> swrastg_dri.so is the Gallium3d-based rasterizer which is considerably
+</I>&gt;<i> faster.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, actually only swrast_dri.so is used, so should we:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) switch to swrastg, drop swrast (Fedora in Nov 2010)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) keep it as is, unused (~4 MB)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) move swrastg to libdri-drivers-experimental (Ubuntu in Jun 2010,
+</I>&gt;<i>    Debian a week ago) which nouveau is probably moving out of
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) drop swrastg completely for now (seemingly OpenSUSE)
+</I>
+On balance, I ultimately prefer 3 with your xserver patch, Either that or 1.
+
+Col
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+On 11/12/05 08:07 +0100, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+&gt;<i> You have probably heard about perl 6, the little brother of perl 5. It will
+</I>&gt;<i> be, for me, an excellent langage, extremely strong. My question is the
+</I>&gt;<i> following:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I package rakudo for Mageia Cauldron?
+</I>
+yes you can. you will need an up to date parrot for this.
+i don't have time nor the need / envy to maintain perl 6 stack, so
+you're welcome to grab it.
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+j&#233;r&#244;me 
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+    <B>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</B> 
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+-----Original Message-----
+From: Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
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+hi,
+
+On 11/12/05 08:07 +0100, Sandro CAZZANIGA wrote:
+&gt;<i> You have probably heard about perl 6, the little brother of perl 5. It will
+</I>&gt;<i> be, for me, an excellent langage, extremely strong. My question is the
+</I>&gt;<i> following:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I package rakudo for Mageia Cauldron?
+</I>
+yes you can. you will need an up to date parrot for this.
+i don't have time nor the need / envy to maintain perl 6 stack, so
+you're welcome to grab it.
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me 
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games SIG
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are (were?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free
+</I>&gt;<i> Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>
+So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games SIG
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are (were?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+so the &quot;data&quot; subpackage can be moved to nonfree?
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+On 5 December 2011 11:20,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2284 Author zezinho Date 2011-12-05 11:20:19 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> ERR_CUSTOM file does not exist anymore, fix bug #1353
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+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
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+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net/trunk/lib/network/squid.pm
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+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/trunk/lib/network/squid.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-net/trunk/lib/network/squid.pm	2011-12-05 02:54:11 UTC (rev 2283)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-net/trunk/lib/network/squid.pm	2011-12-05 10:20:19 UTC (rev 2284)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  visible_hostname $squid_conf-&gt;{visible_hostname}[0]
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+</I>&gt;<i>  err_html_text $squid_conf-&gt;{admin_mail}[0]
+</I>&gt;<i> -deny_info ERR_CUSTOM_ACCESS_DENIED all
+</I>&gt;<i> +deny_info ERR_CACHE_ACCESS_DENIED all
+</I>&gt;<i>  memory_pools off
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+&gt;<i> R : Tu vois !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:44:19, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:10:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; SIG group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (were?) &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so the &quot;data&quot; subpackage can be moved to nonfree?
+</I>
+The engine package too, because we can't have a package in core that depends 
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+</I>&gt;<i> SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</I>
+this is bogus, it never ended in 1.0 but will land in 1.1 so it MUST be ABOVE
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+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/trunk/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-net/trunk/NEWS	2011-12-05 10:49:32 UTC (rev 2285)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-net/trunk/NEWS	2011-12-05 11:00:57 UTC (rev 2286)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  1.0:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - fix parsing (and thus writing back) ACCOUNTING and NM_CONTROLLED in ifcfg
+</I>&gt;<i>  - make sure all strings ended in translation catalogs (#3371)
+</I>&gt;<i> +- fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection (#1353)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  0.99:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - Use b43-openfwwf for b43 module instead of asking for a windows driver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Q : Tu crois ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; R : &#199;a casse l'ordre chronologique de l'&#233;change.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Q : En quoi r&#233;pondre au dessus est-il g&#234;nant ?
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:44:19, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:10:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; SIG group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (were?) &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Free Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so the &quot;data&quot; subpackage can be moved to nonfree?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The engine package too, because we can't have a package in core that
+</I>&gt;<i> depends on nonfree.
+</I>
+can't we?
+
+theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free? no? i 
+mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to make it 
+nonfree... ?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:07:56, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 5 December 2011 12:00,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 2286 Author zezinho Date 2011-12-05 12:00:57 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> this is bogus, it never ended in 1.0 but will land in 1.1 so it MUST be
+</I>&gt;<i> ABOVE
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Oh sorry. But you talk about 1.0 while this commit is  in the updated 1 
+branch, 0.97.2.
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+So which commit should I revert?
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+<PRE>On 5 December 2011 11:49,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2285 Author zezinho Date 2011-12-05 11:49:32 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> 0.97.2 - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection (#1353)
+</I>
+please next time commit different things as different commits, eg here:
+1) first the squid fix
+2) then the version bump
+
+this:
+- makes easier to review
+- would prevent changelog garbage such as this
+
+&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net/branches/1/Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net/branches/1/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-net/branches/1/lib/network/squid.pm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/branches/1/Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-net/branches/1/Makefile	2011-12-05 10:20:19 UTC (rev 2284)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-net/branches/1/Makefile	2011-12-05 10:49:32 UTC (rev 2285)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  NAME = drakx-net
+</I>&gt;<i> -VERSION = 0.97.1
+</I>&gt;<i> +VERSION = 0.97.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  DESTDIR=
+</I>&gt;<i>  libdir=/usr/lib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/branches/1/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-net/branches/1/NEWS	2011-12-05 10:20:19 UTC (rev 2284)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-net/branches/1/NEWS	2011-12-05 10:49:32 UTC (rev 2285)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,5 +1,8 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  - make sure all strings ended in translation catalogs (#3371)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +0.97.2:
+</I>&gt;<i> +- fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection (#1353)
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i>  0.97.1:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - install b43-openfwwf for b43 chips instead of requiring external firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> files (#923)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/branches/1/lib/network/squid.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx-net/branches/1/lib/network/squid.pm	2011-12-05 10:20:19 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 2284)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx-net/branches/1/lib/network/squid.pm	2011-12-05 10:49:32 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 2285)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  visible_hostname $squid_conf-&gt;{visible_hostname}[0]
+</I>&gt;<i>  append_domain .$internal_domain_name
+</I>&gt;<i>  err_html_text $squid_conf-&gt;{admin_mail}[0]
+</I>&gt;<i> -deny_info ERR_CUSTOM_ACCESS_DENIED all
+</I>&gt;<i> +deny_info ERR_CACHE_ACCESS_DENIED all
+</I>&gt;<i>  memory_pools off
+</I>&gt;<i>  coredump_dir /var/spool/squid
+</I>&gt;<i>  ie_refresh on
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> R : Tu vois !
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+<PRE>Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:12:18, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free? no? i
+</I>&gt;<i> mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree... ?
+</I>
+Yes, but to work for now, the engine package requires the non-free source. If 
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 0.97.2-1.mga1:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 2286 Author zezinho Date 2011-12-05 12:00:57 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is bogus, it never ended in 1.0 but will land in 1.1 so it MUST be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ABOVE
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+</I>&gt;<i> Oh sorry. But you talk about 1.0 while this commit is &#160;in the updated 1
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, 0.97.2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So which commit should I revert?
+</I>
+No this commit is in trunk, not in the 1 branch, as clearly showed by
+the &quot;drakx-net/trunk/&quot; path.
+And I didn't speak about reverting but about moving your changes above
+the released 1.0
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+the rules are:
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+- when we release a new version we bump the version number
+  in the Makefile and we add a new &quot;1.XX:&quot; line at top of the
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:12:18, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free? no?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nonfree... ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but to work for now, the engine package requires the non-free source.
+</I>&gt;<i> If a user has disabled non-free, he will get an error.
+</I>
+i don't know if this is a bad idea: iirc the error is something like: &quot;can't 
+find data package&quot; or something... imho you can suggest it and put a 
+README.urpmi saying you'll need nonfree data...
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:07:56, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 5 December 2011 12:00,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2286 Author zezinho Date 2011-12-05 12:00:57 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is bogus, it never ended in 1.0 but will land in 1.1 so it MUST be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ABOVE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh sorry. But you talk about 1.0 while this commit is  in the updated 1 
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, 0.97.2.
+</I>
+What do you mean by 0.97.2? The commit was in trunk....
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+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx-net/trunk/NEWS
+</I>                      ^^^^^
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+&gt;<i> So which commit should I revert?
+</I>
+The update to NEWS file. You included your comment under the changes for
+the 1.0 release, but this has already been released.... So your entry
+must go above this - i.e. as a pending change in an upcoming release
+which may be 1.1 or 2.0 or whatever (something &gt; 1.0).
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+So just move the NEWS entry to the top of the file, leave a blank line,
+then let it carry on with the 1.0 section.
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+Hope that's clear.
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 12:15:11 schreef zezinho:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:12:18, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; no? i mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; make it nonfree... ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, but to work for now, the engine package requires the non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; source. If a user has disabled non-free, he will get an error.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't know if this is a bad idea: iirc the error is something like:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;can't find data package&quot; or something... imho you can suggest it and put
+</I>&gt;<i> a README.urpmi saying you'll need nonfree data...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> but perhaps this is a discussion more suited in another place...
+</I>
+It someone really wants the engine to build its own data (which I doubt), they 
+can still download from the upstream website, so for the vast majority of 
+users (if not 100%!) the engine will be of no use without the data. 
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+Please see bug 1597 ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1597">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1597</A> )
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+Syndaemon, the synaptics touchpad daemon, will suddenly/randomly use 
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+It requires testing x86_64 in Mageia 1 by reproducing the bug and 
+testing with the update candidate but it seems we don't have the correct 
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+Could somebody please test this x86_64 and confirm the fix so that the 
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+Alternately please send new laptop to... ;)
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+Thankyou
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:21:42, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 05 december 2011 12:15:11 schreef zezinho:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:12:18, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; no? i mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; make it nonfree... ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, but to work for now, the engine package requires the non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; source. If a user has disabled non-free, he will get an error.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't know if this is a bad idea: iirc the error is something like:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;can't find data package&quot; or something... imho you can suggest it and put
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a README.urpmi saying you'll need nonfree data...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but perhaps this is a discussion more suited in another place...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It someone really wants the engine to build its own data (which I doubt),
+</I>&gt;<i> they can still download from the upstream website, so for the vast
+</I>&gt;<i> majority of users (if not 100%!) the engine will be of no use without the
+</I>&gt;<i> data.
+</I>
+idea-ologically speaking i don't really agree, ( if it's free, it's free, not 
+nonfree; even if it's able to use other nonfree parts), but practically, i 
+can't say anything about this...
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+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> However, actually only swrast_dri.so is used, so should we:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) switch to swrastg, drop swrast (Fedora in Nov 2010)
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+I would go for this
+swrast is unmaintained (in fact I think it has been dropped from trunk?)
+only swrastg got fixes these days
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+&gt;<i> Me, perl6 stack's maint? :D
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+why not? if you plan to use it, you can as well maintain it.
+j&#233;r&#244;me 
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:54:47 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:44:19, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:10:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SIG group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (were?) &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Free Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so the &quot;data&quot; subpackage can be moved to nonfree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The engine package too, because we can't have a package in core that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> depends on nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can't we?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+NO.
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+Our policy is that core _must_ be selfcontained.
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+&gt;<i> theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free? no? i
+</I>&gt;<i> mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to make it
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree... ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Then _if_ someone actually make a free data package, we can do the split
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+    <B>Philippe DIDIER</B> 
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+There was a discussion on dev mailing list and
+something was said about it in meeting on september 21st
+
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html</A>
+(&quot;faac status&quot; begining at
+19:42:50 )
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+This concerns faac and packages been built upon it :
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+see bug 2833
+
+These softwares allow to create, encode, or modify media files
+ (.aac, .mp4 or .m4a) that are very frequently used ...
+These kind of files don't comply wiht free standard (like ogg or
+matroska ) but we have to work with them ....
+ the same way we can do
+with .mp3 or .mov and others non free standard when using tainted
+packages
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+Mageia 2 will come soon and maybe it's time to decide what to do !
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was a discussion on dev mailing list and
+</I>&gt;<i> something was said about it in meeting on september 21st
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/2011/mageia-dev.2011-09-21-19.07.log.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (&quot;faac status&quot; begining at
+</I>&gt;<i> 19:42:50 )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please have a look on Dev meeting logs, il was decided not to create it for
+now, at least before Mageia 2 is out. This was done during meeting some
+weeks ago
+
+
+&gt;<i> This concerns faac and packages been built upon it :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see bug 2833
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These softwares allow to create, encode, or modify media files
+</I>&gt;<i>  (.aac, .mp4 or .m4a) that are very frequently used ...
+</I>&gt;<i> These kind of files don't comply wiht free standard (like ogg or
+</I>&gt;<i> matroska ) but we have to work with them ....
+</I>&gt;<i>  the same way we can do
+</I>&gt;<i> with .mp3 or .mov and others non free standard when using tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 2 will come soon and maybe it's time to decide what to do !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+so... the long wait is over....
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+I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+
+As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate the 
+cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
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+Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built with
+the new toolchain.
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+So, we now have glibc &amp; the toolchain upgraded:
+- glibc is at 2.14.1 (available in cauldron since 2011-10-24)
+- binutils 2.22 (available in cauldron since 2011-11-28)
+- gcc-4.6.2 (available later today (2011-12-05)
+
+Now, in order to provide a very good Mageia 2, every package should
+be rebuilt with the new toolchain/glibc in order to make sure they
+still build _and_ work correctly (and flush out any bugs in the
+toolchain)
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+Now this rebuild should be done preferably in BR order when possible,
+to rule out bad interaction between packages and be preferably be
+fully done by alpha3 or beta1 at the latest so we have time to fix
+it properly for Mageia 2.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could distrib admin just copy libppl7 and libppl_c2 from mageia 1 into cauldron?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/5&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think too, but that's mean that we cannot submit pkg until it's uploaded, isn't it?
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+</I>&gt;<i> should be OK now
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+Thanks dmorgan for fixing it. And sorry for pushing the updated lib too 
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games SIG
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are (were?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+In fact I'm even not sure we can distribute it at all, for the same reasons as 
+Fedora's:
+- media have various licenses, depending on the contributor (lots of them)
+- according to the above readme, some media may even have no license at all
+- according to Fedora, some of those licenses restrict commercial use, and our 
+policy does not allow non-free software with redistribution restrictions.
+
+So unless someone digs into the media files, looks at the licences, removes 
+media files with unclear or too restrictive licenses (and that the game still 
+works after that), then we must drop it. Otherwise it must go to non-free.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:10:00, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; SIG group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (were?) &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not Free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact I'm even not sure we can distribute it at all, for the same reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> as Fedora's:
+</I>&gt;<i> - media have various licenses, depending on the contributor (lots of them)
+</I>&gt;<i> - according to the above readme, some media may even have no license at all
+</I>&gt;<i> - according to Fedora, some of those licenses restrict commercial use, and
+</I>&gt;<i> our policy does not allow non-free software with redistribution
+</I>&gt;<i> restrictions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So unless someone digs into the media files, looks at the licences, removes
+</I>&gt;<i> media files with unclear or too restrictive licenses (and that the game
+</I>&gt;<i> still works after that), then we must drop it. Otherwise it must go to
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+you have a point there...
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+otoh, if it comes to that, you can let the user get their &quot;media&quot; themselves, 
+and still package the engine only. (it's what i do for eduke32)
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+'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 03/12/11 09:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 01:05:31 -0500, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fyi. On one of my cauldron installs, I have /usr in a lvm
+</I>&gt;<i> logical volume.  In order to get this to be bootable, I
+</I>&gt;<i> modified /etc/dracut.conf to have
+</I>....
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+I've included some code to detect lvm on /usr. I've not tested it but
+can you test an unmodified version of dracut (rel 7.mga2) to see if it
+generates a suitable initrd for you?
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+Many thanks.
+
+Col
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+</I>&gt;<i>  -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+Sorry ! My English is not fluent...
+I read it several times but perhaps didn't understood what means the end
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 02/12/11 21:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 15:57, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall I apply it?
+</I>
+Just to pick up on this patch, here is a conversation I just had with
+Harald on #dracut IRC:
+
+coling&gt; haraldh, the &quot;more interesting&quot; question (for various values of
+&quot;more interesting&quot;) was about a how hostonly works.... at the moment it
+only includes modules that are already loaded... but in some cases you
+want to include modules that are not currently loaded but do belong on
+the h/w in question.
+&lt;coling&gt; haraldh, one of the patches (that we believe might just have to
+be a local one for the way we do things) is here:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup</A>
+&lt;coling&gt; It checks the module aliases against the current h/w. We do
+this when we generate the initrd from the installer and include the KMS
+modules even although they are not currently loaded.
+&lt;coling&gt; I'm not sure if this is a mechanism you want to consider
+supporting? e.g. perhaps &quot;hostonly&quot; mode could change to do things this
+way (via modaliases) and a new &quot;loadedonly&quot; mode could suppliment
+hostonly to give the current behaviour?
+&lt;coling&gt; Or perhaps you could make hostonly={no|yes|loaded|hardware}
+where yes is just a synonym for &quot;loaded&quot;.
+&lt;coling&gt; (I didn't write that patch by the way, so i'm just picking up
+on the general principal with a view to seeing if the general concept
+can be upstreamed)
+&lt;haraldh&gt; hostonly, hmm, yes, greping for currently used modules was the
+easiest and fastest way
+&lt;haraldh&gt; to be more correct, we should do it with the aliases like in
+your patch
+&lt;haraldh&gt; but that is costly and takes a lot of time
+&lt;haraldh&gt; and also the modprobe.conf.d is something one would want
+&lt;haraldh&gt; and also install possible helper tools there
+&lt;haraldh&gt; so, if you want to factor that one out in a module filter
+function, send it to the initramfs mailing list
+&lt;haraldh&gt; any help in that area is appreciated and most likely merged :)
+
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+So if you fancy working on this, I'm sure it'll get upstreamed :)
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On 28.10.2011 19:17, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently the updates policy [1] says that updates to a new version
+</I>&gt;<i> should have 1.1.mga1 as release, and that cauldron should be bumped to
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.mga2 on those cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, on the packages where version updates are done (e.g. wine,
+</I>&gt;<i> flash-player-plugin, opera, firefox, chromium), doing that causes the
+</I>&gt;<i> following chain of events on every update:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So the pkgs have to always be submitted to cauldron twice (unless one
+</I>&gt;<i> skips right to 2.mga2, which would be rather confusing IMO).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest we change the policy to say that package updates to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> should use 1.mga1 release (i.e. no subrel), so that it goes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and no extra submissions or commits required.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, if some extra fix is needed, one does:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cauldron submission with 2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. mga1 submission with 1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+As no one was against it, I've updated the policy page:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     177078
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     alien
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-12-05 21:54:54 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Add README.urpmi to note that apache needs to be running
+</I>
+Plese use README.install.urpmi instead, otherwise the message will be
+shown on every upgrade.
+
+See
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake</A>
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+&gt;<i>       Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>   * cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>     &lt;#cauldronurpmiproxycurrentSPECSurpmiproxyspec&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec	2011-12-05 20:44:07 UTC (rev 177077)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec	2011-12-05 20:54:54 UTC (rev 177078)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  Name: urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i>  Version: 0.2.4
+</I>&gt;<i> -Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> +Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i>  Summary: A proxy for urpmi repository mirrors
+</I>&gt;<i>  Group: System/Configuration/Packaging
+</I>&gt;<i>  License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  extra repository so you can provide extra or modified packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i>  %files
+</I>&gt;<i> -%doc README AUTHORS TODO INSTALL LICENSE
+</I>&gt;<i> +%doc README AUTHORS TODO INSTALL LICENSE README.urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i>  %attr(0750,apache,apache) %dir %{_var}/cache/urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i>  %attr(0750,apache,apache) %config(noreplace) %{_var}/log/urpmi-proxy.log
+</I>&gt;<i>  %attr(0750,root,apache) %dir %{_datadir}/urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -37,6 +37,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i>  %build
+</I>&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i> +cat &gt; README.urpmi &lt;&lt;EOF
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +NOTE: urpmi-proxy functions as an apache webapp, so apache service will have
+</I>&gt;<i> +to be started for urpmi-proxy to work, if apache is now installed as a
+</I>&gt;<i> +dependency, chances are high that it's not yet running, even though it's
+</I>&gt;<i> +installed. you can start apache with:
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +   /etc/init.d/httpd start
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +EOF
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i>  %install
+</I>&gt;<i>  rm -fr %{buildroot}
+</I>&gt;<i>  %{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}%{_var}/cache/urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+Op maandag 05 december 2011 22:15:59 schreef Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> On 05.12.2011 22:54, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     177078
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Author
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     alien
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Date
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     2011-12-05 21:54:54 +0100 (Mon, 05 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Add README.urpmi to note that apache needs to be running
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Plese use README.install.urpmi instead, otherwise the message will be
+</I>&gt;<i> shown on every upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_an">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_an</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> d_rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;       Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   * cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     &lt;#cauldronurpmiproxycurrentSPECSurpmiproxyspec&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Modified: cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec	2011-12-05
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 20:44:07 UTC (rev 177077) +++
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cauldron/urpmi-proxy/current/SPECS/urpmi-proxy.spec	2011-12-05 
+</I>20:54:54
+&gt;<i> &gt; UTC (rev 177078) @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  Name: urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  Version: 0.2.4
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -Release: %mkrel 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +Release: %mkrel 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  Summary: A proxy for urpmi repository mirrors
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  Group: System/Configuration/Packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  extra repository so you can provide extra or modified packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %files
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -%doc README AUTHORS TODO INSTALL LICENSE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +%doc README AUTHORS TODO INSTALL LICENSE README.urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %attr(0750,apache,apache) %dir %{_var}/cache/urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %attr(0750,apache,apache) %config(noreplace) %{_var}/log/urpmi-proxy.log
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %attr(0750,root,apache) %dir %{_datadir}/urpmi-proxy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -37,6 +37,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +cat &gt; README.urpmi &lt;&lt;EOF
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +NOTE: urpmi-proxy functions as an apache webapp, so apache service will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have +to be started for urpmi-proxy to work, if apache is now installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as a +dependency, chances are high that it's not yet running, even
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +   /etc/init.d/httpd start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +EOF
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %install
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  rm -fr %{buildroot}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  %{__mkdir_p} %{buildroot}%{_var}/cache/urpmi-proxy
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+Now,
+
+here comes the question about backports once again.
+
+We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening 
+backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+
+Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+
+And at current rate we will probably release Mageia &quot;infinity&quot;
+before backports is opened.
+
+
+It has been delayed because of needed infrastructure changes,
+something no-one have had time to do so far...
+
+I know there is &quot;only some coding missing&quot; and &quot;someone should
+do it&quot;, buth truthfully there are only a few that knows the
+code used in the buildsystem enough to actually make it happend,
+and they are already othervise busy or overloaded...
+(this is no rant against them, as all here are using their
+  personal free time to help out)
+
+And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+
+
+So here is a suggestion to get some value to our endusers:
+
+we add a backports branch on svn
+
+So packages for backports would use:
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+svn.mageia.org/packages/backports/1/&lt;package&gt;/{current,pristine,releases}
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+and allow that to be used for backports.
+
+Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+for Cauldron (or backports).
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> for Cauldron (or backports).
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so... the long wait is over....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as it's available on the primary mirror I'll invalidate the
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron chroots on the BS to make sure the new gcc is used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ater that I'll submit a new glibc and kernel so they are built with
+</I>&gt;<i> the new toolchain.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening
+</I>&gt;<i> backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+</I>&gt;<i> something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And at current rate we will probably release Mageia &quot;infinity&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> before backports is opened.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It has been delayed because of needed infrastructure changes,
+</I>&gt;<i> something no-one have had time to do so far...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I know there is &quot;only some coding missing&quot; and &quot;someone should
+</I>&gt;<i> do it&quot;, buth truthfully there are only a few that knows the
+</I>&gt;<i> code used in the buildsystem enough to actually make it happend,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they are already othervise busy or overloaded...
+</I>&gt;<i> (this is no rant against them, as all here are using their
+</I>&gt;<i>  personal free time to help out)
+</I>
+The biggest problem for me is that it is really difficult to test any
+changes, one'd need a mockup of the whole buildsystem... and I don't
+want to propose any patches blind :)
+
+&gt;<i> And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is a suggestion to get some value to our endusers:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> we add a backports branch on svn
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So packages for backports would use:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> svn.mageia.org/packages/backports/1/&lt;package&gt;/{current,pristine,releases}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and allow that to be used for backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>
+Hm, how does this help with enabling backports (i.e. compared to simply
+using cauldron repo)?
+
+Anyway, would the above branch work like this:
+
+e.g. lets imagine I want to, in order:
+1. provide foobar 1.1 to backports.
+2. cauldron foobar upgraded to 1.2, some patches added, some removed,
+   and other changes
+3. provide foobar 1.2 to backports
+4. 1.3 to cauldron and backports
+
+To backport foobar 1.1, I guess I'd simply do
+  svn copy svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar</A> \
+           svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+and then the submit command.
+
+When time comes to provide foobar 1.2 to backports, the options are:
+Option 1:
+  svn del svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+  svn copy svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar</A> \
+           svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+  and submit. Changelog is the same as in cauldron.
+
+Option 2:
+  svn checkout \
+    svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar/current">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar/current</A> \
+    foobar
+  cd foobar &amp;&amp; svn merge -r prevrev:HEAD \
+	svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar/current">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar/current</A>
+  svn commit
+  # copy all the log entries from the cauldron interval to the log msg
+  and submit.
+  Note: results in broken changelogs unless one does manual
+  markreleases, but changelogs are already broken both in mga1 updates
+  and in cauldron (youri issue [1]). This is more notable here, though,
+  as backports happen generally more often multiple times than updates.
+
+Repeat with 1.3.
+
+Correct?
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
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+Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so... the long wait is over....
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Ahhrghhh ! Now that I was going to send a message to tell that a new CUDA
+toolkit is available supporting gcc-4.5, we go for 4.6...
+I suppose life is hard...
+
+Could you consider keeping gcc-4.5 packages in the distro, adding some
+suffix for binaries, to have them installable in parallel with 4.6 ?
+Damn CUDA is always one step behind GCC, so with an up to date distro
+like Mageia, CUDA is unusable. Now there is a CUDA 4.1-RC that supports
+gcc 4.5.
+I think it should not be difficult for CUDA to support 4.6, the big
+jump was from 4.4 to 4.5 due to some change in binary format making
+cuda-gdb useless, but if they did that already...
+
+Anyways, havin an nvidia-cuda-gcc package with the version of the compiler
+cuda needs would very nice...
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, it didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well it kinda worked  - at least it's actually trying to mount /usr now!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Error message: device node not found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, so according to man e2fsck exit code 16 is &quot;Usage or syntax error&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is due to using UUID=.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll work on a fix for the next round of testing :D
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>The new kernel 3.1.4-desktop-2.mga2 works/boots 
+Maybe something went wrong during the installation process. But i get:
+WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into 
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, actually only swrast_dri.so is used, so should we:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) switch to swrastg, drop swrast (Fedora in Nov 2010)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I would go for this
+</I>&gt;<i> swrast is unmaintained (in fact I think it has been dropped from trunk?)
+</I>&gt;<i> only swrastg got fixes these days
+</I>
+I don't know about its maintainership status, but swrast hasn't been
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+&gt;<i> On 06.12.2011 00:56, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, how does this help with enabling backports (i.e. compared to simply
+</I>&gt;<i> using cauldron repo)?
+</I>
+not sure, but i thought the problem we're facing now was that submitting from 
+cauldron to backports was a &quot;problem&quot; in security scripting, ie: not being 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> so... the long wait is over....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+</I>
+Hi,
+I have some package not recompiling due to missing libquadmath. Gfortran 
+actually fails to compile program with this error:
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+gfortran -g -DLin  blabla.o -o blabla
+/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lquadmath
+collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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+As far as I can check, I do not find anymore the libquadmath package. 
+Any idea?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, how does this help with enabling backports (i.e. compared to simply
+</I>&gt;<i> using cauldron repo)?
+</I>
+The current system needs a rework to be able to accept packages submitted from 
+cauldron to 1/backports_testing while forbidding submit from cauldron to 
+1/updates_testing
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+- the current proposal from tmb, which I support (but which requires a change 
+in the policy as it is currently defined)
+- allowing to submit anywhere from cauldron (and have QA verify that the 
+packages have been submitted from the right branch, and burn publicly 
+packagers who submit from cauldron to updates_testing)
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+<PRE>The first error has been around for some time udevd (directory not
+writable) - but the OSINFO errors are new:
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+Starting udev:  udevd[133]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not
+writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
+^[[85G[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0;39m]
+udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
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+udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
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+udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
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+udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
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+Systems seems to work fine so far.
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+Cheers,
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/12/11 09:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> The first error has been around for some time udevd (directory not
+</I>&gt;<i> writable) - but the OSINFO errors are new:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting udev:  udevd[133]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not
+</I>&gt;<i> writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
+</I>&gt;<i> ^[[85G[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0;39m]
+</I>&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Systems seems to work fine so far.
+</I>
+Can you state which init system you are using, sysvinit or udev. And
+also can you state which initrd generator you are using, mkinitrd or dracut.
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Spuhler at 06/12/11 04:03 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Friday, December 02, 2011 05:15:03 am Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Kira at 02/12/11 11:24 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:44:32 +0800, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted a new version, please wait for dracut-013-5.mga2 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regenerate, test, yada, yada, and let me know how you get on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, it didn't work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well it kinda worked  - at least it's actually trying to mount /usr now!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Error message: device node not found
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: e2fsck returned with 16
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** An error occurred during the file system check.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** Dropping yo to a shell: the system will try
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut Warning: *** to mount the filesystem(s), when you leave the shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, so according to man e2fsck exit code 16 is &quot;Usage or syntax error&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think this is due to using UUID=.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll work on a fix for the next round of testing :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+&gt;<i> The new kernel 3.1.4-desktop-2.mga2 works/boots 
+</I>
+Excellent. I presume that you are commenting on this thread because you
+also have /usr on a separate partition? So I can tick off various
+different scenarios on my list, can you say what filesystem you use on
+/usr and if there is anything special about it (LVM, RAID etc.).
+
+&gt;<i> Maybe something went wrong during the installation process. But i get:
+</I>&gt;<i> WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into 
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/modprobe.d/.
+</I>
+Nah, this is just a warning. If you want to silence it, just move
+/etc/probrobe.conf into /etc/modprobe.d/default.conf
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/12/11 09:18 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The first error has been around for some time udevd (directory not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; writable) - but the OSINFO errors are new:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Starting udev:  udevd[133]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ^[[85G[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0;39m]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Systems seems to work fine so far.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you state which init system you are using, sysvinit or udev. And
+</I>&gt;<i> also can you state which initrd generator you are using, mkinitrd or dracut.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+sysvinit I believe (how can I confirm this?) and mkinitrd (simply did a
+cauldron update which included a kernel update - don't even have dracut
+installed.
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+Hope this helps.
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+Cheers,
+Robert
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+&gt;<i> Actually I didn't really need it in the end, I should have spotted the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem without it, but it did make me go through the motions.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It was a simple variable name typo.
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+</I>&gt;<i> As no one was against it, I've updated the policy page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>On a related sidenote, as the instructions for the maintainer role
+were a bit unclear about some actions (like the update advisory)
+and the order was also not reflecting reality, i've updated it,
+added some more detailed instructions and also added an
+example advisory text.
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+Feel free to check: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy#Roles">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy#Roles</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/12/11 10:12 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:04 +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/12/11 09:18 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The first error has been around for some time udevd (directory not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> writable) - but the OSINFO errors are new:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Starting udev:  udevd[133]: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ^[[85G[^[[1;32m  OK  ^[[0;39m]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:30
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_BOOTABLE'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udevd[134]: unknown key 'OSINFO_INSTALLER'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-osinfo.rules:36
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Systems seems to work fine so far.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you state which init system you are using, sysvinit or udev. And
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also can you state which initrd generator you are using, mkinitrd or dracut.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit I believe (how can I confirm this?) and mkinitrd (simply did a
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron update which included a kernel update - don't even have dracut
+</I>&gt;<i> installed.
+</I>
+Yeah this is probably just udev not liking the fact that mkinitrd does
+not setup /run as a tmpfs mount.
+
+Dracut runs udev from the initrd and thus setups up /run etc.
+
+So please try installing dracut and regenerating the initrd: dracut -f
+/boot/initrd-3.1.4-desktop-2.mga2.img
+
+Make sure you have a working initrd saved just in case you need it
+before running this command: e.g. cp
+/boot/initrd-3.1.4-desktop-2.mga2.img /boot/arg.img
+
+This way you can always edit your grub command to specify this initrd
+manually in the case of a hideous failure!
+
+
+We'll likely be forcing dracut on people pretty soon anyway and might
+drop mkinitrd completely from mga2, so it's worth giving us feedback if
+you can :)
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>EatDirt skrev 6.12.2011 09:35:
+&gt;<i> On 05/12/11 15:26, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so... the long wait is over....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've submitted gcc-4.6.2-1.mga2 to core/release now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some package not recompiling due to missing libquadmath. Gfortran
+</I>&gt;<i> actually fails to compile program with this error:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gfortran -g -DLin  blabla.o -o blabla
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lquadmath
+</I>&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I can check, I do not find anymore the libquadmath package.
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's on the mirrors...
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 16:01:14 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So unless someone digs into the media files, looks at the licences,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removes media files with unclear or too restrictive licenses (and that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the game still works after that), then we must drop it. Otherwise it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; must go to non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> you have a point there...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> otoh, if it comes to that, you can let the user get their &quot;media&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves, and still package the engine only. (it's what i do for eduke32)
+</I>
+I just see another version of sauerbraten was submitted some hours ago and the 
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+2011/12/6 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> EatDirt skrev 6.12.2011 09:35:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gfortran -g -DLin &#160;blabla.o -o blabla
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lquadmath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I can check, I do not find anymore the libquadmath package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any idea?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's on the mirrors...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just urpmi quadmath-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> (or add quadmath-devel as BR)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+x11-server-1.11 has been in core/updates_testing for ~2 months so it's 
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+&gt;<i> I guess he means gfortran should require quanmath-devel as what fedora
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+It should be indeed since without, it just does not work.
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+&gt;<i> On 06/12/11 15:14, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I guess he means gfortran should require quanmath-devel as what fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; currently does.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be indeed since without, it just does not work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ...although I did no mean that. mirrors were just out of sync till now :-/
+</I>So did I understand you correctly, that your problem is resolved now?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> otoh, if it comes to that, you can let the user get their &quot;media&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> themselves, and still package the engine only. (it's what i do for eduke32)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just see another version of sauerbraten was submitted some hours ago and the
+</I>&gt;<i> changelog doesn't say anything about cleaned up media.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> juancho, whoever you are: Could you comment?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, I missed this thread from the beginning :S
+
+I imported the package because looking at
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=sauerbraten,">http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=sauerbraten,</A> I saw the game is in
+Arch, Debian, Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu repositories, but I didn't
+notice that in the case of Fedora is in a third-party repo called
+&quot;Russian Fedora Nonfree&quot;, but in the case of Debian is in their
+contrib repo, so I thought that if it made it into Debian then there's
+no problem having it here too. But now looking more closely, in
+contrib is the engine and in non-free is the data :(
+
+Please remove it or move it to non-free, I'm sorry I didn't check this deeper :(
+
+Also we could install it in the same way I'm preparing other games
+based on ioquake3 engine that have non-free data, by including
+ioquake3 engine in core/release and autodownloading game data at first
+run:
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+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-November/009862.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-November/009862.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'm starting to push x11-server 1.11.2 to Cauldron now so we can get it
+</I>&gt;<i> tested in Alpha2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-server-1.11 has been in core/updates_testing for ~2 months so it's
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All drivers will be rebuilt after the server is built so just wait for
+</I>&gt;<i> all the builds to finish...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And all packages are now rebuilt, including libdrm, mesa and virtualbox.
+
+So it should be safe to update now.
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+Next up is drakx-installer-* wich I'll try to finish today/tomorrow...
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+--
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+&gt;<i> 06.12.2011 16:22, Thomas Backlund skrev:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm starting to push x11-server 1.11.2 to Cauldron now so we can get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tested in Alpha2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.11 has been in core/updates_testing for ~2 months so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time for all to test it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All drivers will be rebuilt after the server is built so just wait for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the builds to finish...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And all packages are now rebuilt, including libdrm, mesa and virtualbox.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So it should be safe to update now.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Next up is drakx-installer-* wich I'll try to finish today/tomorrow...
+</I>
+Thanks Thomas... I did meant to do this over the weekend, but time got
+the better of me :(
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 06.12.2011 16:22, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm starting to push x11-server 1.11.2 to Cauldron now so we can get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tested in Alpha2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.11 has been in core/updates_testing for ~2 months so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time for all to test it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All drivers will be rebuilt after the server is built so just wait for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the builds to finish...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And all packages are now rebuilt, including libdrm, mesa and virtualbox.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it should be safe to update now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next up is drakx-installer-* wich I'll try to finish today/tomorrow...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And now all of drakx-installer-* is rebuilt and seems to work ok, 
+atleast in virtualbox.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2301 Author tmb Date 2011-12-06 19:51:00 +0100 (Tue, 06 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1.52:
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix build with gcc-4.6.2
+</I>&gt;<i>   * fixes for -Werror=unused-but-set-variable
+</I>&gt;<i>   * minor whitespace cleanups
+</I>
+Please split those in different smaller commits next time.
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+    <B>Filipe Saraiva</B> 
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+I am without 3d acceleration.
+Some idea? I reported this bug in
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3554">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3554</A>
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+Thanks,
+
+2011/12/6 Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 06.12.2011 19:38, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 06.12.2011 16:22, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm starting to push x11-server 1.11.2 to Cauldron now so we can get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tested in Alpha2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-server-1.11 has been in core/updates_testing for ~2 months so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time for all to test it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All drivers will be rebuilt after the server is built so just wait for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all the builds to finish...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And all packages are now rebuilt, including libdrm, mesa and virtualbox.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So it should be safe to update now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Next up is drakx-installer-* wich I'll try to finish today/tomorrow...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And now all of drakx-installer-* is rebuilt and seems to work ok, atleast in
+</I>&gt;<i> virtualbox.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+-- 
+Filipe Saraiva
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing:
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+&gt;<i>I'm starting to push x11-server 1.11.2 to Cauldron now so we can get it 
+</I>&gt;<i>tested in Alpha2
+</I>...
+&gt;<i>Those nVidia and AMD proprietary drivers that supports 1.11 series 
+</I>&gt;<i>server are already in the repos.
+</I>
+Thank you. Indeed AMD 6570 and nv Geforce GT 555M confirmed to work well.
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+    <B>Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l</B> 
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+my name is Yves-Ga&#235;l aka hurdman ( on the french mageia chan).
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+I have used Mandriva before mageia a long time ago for server and desktop.
+Some of the french team has known me as nantes_geek.
+I ever made some unofficial package for mandriva ( on distrib coffee
+people's section).
+I have a mirror for mageia (mageia.r0b0t.fr) and i begin to port to
+mageia a mandriva-based gpl3 project for educational purpose (phoenixedu
+=&gt; the forge will be open soon).
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+Now, i have got time to package some soft for the community but i have
+never learned how build a
+good rpm ;)
+So, if someone has some time for me , i can become his apprentice.
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+I hope i can contrib a bit ;)
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+many thanks,
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+hurdman
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+<PRE>On 3 December 2011 19:54, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 3 d&#233;cembre 2011 00:06:31, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes : I had this problem testing Alpha1 DVD on a RV100 hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - no firmware installed as nonfree repo is not enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> - no X after install (I should have tested in the installer?)
+</I>&gt;<i> - installed radeon firmware, reboot, still no X
+</I>&gt;<i> - updated initrd, then it works
+</I>
+Anssi maybe should we alter drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 &amp; harddrake:
+we could run modinfo on the module for the card, check whether
+the reported firmware in the output are available or not, and
+enable kms accordingly (with defaulting to vesa instead of radeon
+on r700+ due to the faillure to run without KMS support)
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     2302
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     ennael
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-12-07 11:35:48 +0100 (Wed, 07 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks aginies)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oh yes it does!
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+It's only in mdv they have disabled all ide drivers without thinking of 
+those where the pata drivers dont work...
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+Once it's done i'll work on KDE 4.8 (so we should be able to have it for RC1 
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+Regards,
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+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+I'm letting you know that i'm rediffing the patches and local testing MariaDB 
+5.5.18 and that I'll be submitting it to core/release which will obsolete 
+MySQL . In the event of not-easily solved bugs, i'll be removing Mariadb and 
+resubmitting MySQL.
+
+Big thanks to people who have tested it, due to some testing i found a 
+longstanding MySQL bug that was present likely for a long time and fixed it 
+both on MariaDB and MySQL.
+
+At 9 December depending on comments we should be either having only MySQL, 
+both MariaDB and Mysql or MariaDB only, which will then be able to tested in 
+the upcoming alpha2.
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+Kind regards,
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+<PRE>Le 07/12/2011 19:11, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm letting you know that i'm rediffing the patches and local testing MariaDB 
+</I>&gt;<i> 5.5.18 and that I'll be submitting it to core/release which will obsolete 
+</I>&gt;<i> MySQL . In the event of not-easily solved bugs, i'll be removing Mariadb and 
+</I>&gt;<i> resubmitting MySQL.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Big thanks to people who have tested it, due to some testing i found a 
+</I>&gt;<i> longstanding MySQL bug that was present likely for a long time and fixed it 
+</I>&gt;<i> both on MariaDB and MySQL.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> At 9 December depending on comments we should be either having only MySQL, 
+</I>&gt;<i> both MariaDB and Mysql or MariaDB only, which will then be able to tested in 
+</I>&gt;<i> the upcoming alpha2.
+</I>
+As asked many times on this ML can you wait Mageia 2 for this...
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> AL13N
+</I>
+
+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+&gt;<i> On 06.12.2011 00:56, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And at current rate we will probably release Mageia &quot;infinity&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before backports is opened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It has been delayed because of needed infrastructure changes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something no-one have had time to do so far...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know there is &quot;only some coding missing&quot; and &quot;someone should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do it&quot;, buth truthfully there are only a few that knows the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code used in the buildsystem enough to actually make it happend,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and they are already othervise busy or overloaded...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (this is no rant against them, as all here are using their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   personal free time to help out)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The biggest problem for me is that it is really difficult to test any
+</I>&gt;<i> changes, one'd need a mockup of the whole buildsystem... and I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to propose any patches blind :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So here is a suggestion to get some value to our endusers:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we add a backports branch on svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So packages for backports would use:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> svn.mageia.org/packages/backports/1/&lt;package&gt;/{current,pristine,releases}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and allow that to be used for backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hm, how does this help with enabling backports (i.e. compared to simply
+</I>&gt;<i> using cauldron repo)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It was suggested to prevent direct submissions from cauldron as
+current BS is not capable of blocking cauldron -&gt; updates_testing
+if we add cauldron to supported url
+
+So a separate backports branch would be created to &quot;work around&quot; this.
+(yes I know you could do svn cp and then submit, but atleast it would
+  prevent submissions done by mistake)
+
+And if we want to extend the checks, maybe mgarepo could be updated to
+only allow submission to backports_testing from backports branch until
+server side checking is in place. (the same &quot;connection&quot; could probably
+be done between updates_testing and updates too)
+
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway, would the above branch work like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. lets imagine I want to, in order:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. provide foobar 1.1 to backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. cauldron foobar upgraded to 1.2, some patches added, some removed,
+</I>&gt;<i>     and other changes
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. provide foobar 1.2 to backports
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. 1.3 to cauldron and backports
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To backport foobar 1.1, I guess I'd simply do
+</I>&gt;<i>    svn copy svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar</A> \
+</I>&gt;<i>             svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> and then the submit command.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When time comes to provide foobar 1.2 to backports, the options are:
+</I>&gt;<i> Option 1:
+</I>&gt;<i>    svn del svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>    svn copy svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar</A> \
+</I>&gt;<i>             svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>    and submit. Changelog is the same as in cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Option 2:
+</I>&gt;<i>    svn checkout \
+</I>&gt;<i>      svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar/current">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/backports/1/foobar/current</A> \
+</I>&gt;<i>      foobar
+</I>&gt;<i>    cd foobar&amp;&amp;  svn merge -r prevrev:HEAD \
+</I>&gt;<i> 	svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar/current">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/foobar/current</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>    svn commit
+</I>&gt;<i>    # copy all the log entries from the cauldron interval to the log msg
+</I>&gt;<i>    and submit.
+</I>&gt;<i>    Note: results in broken changelogs unless one does manual
+</I>&gt;<i>    markreleases, but changelogs are already broken both in mga1 updates
+</I>&gt;<i>    and in cauldron (youri issue [1]). This is more notable here, though,
+</I>&gt;<i>    as backports happen generally more often multiple times than updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Repeat with 1.3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correct?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I guess this is up to the maintainer how he/she wants to maintain the
+backports of his package as it can also be Option 3: maintain backports
+branch separately (depending on package).
+
+For example, for me I'd like to provide kernel-rt-3.0.x as backports,
+but would probably not provide 3.2.x at all for Mageia 1.
+
+(sidenote, kernel-rt is a little tricky here as it was available as
+   2.6.33 series in 2010.2, so it could go to updates. but since it
+   would also need  backported nvidia/fglrx (if they work that is),
+   and the /proc/net/route info changed in 2.6.39 so it would &quot;break&quot;
+   network detection too, and version 3.* could break some scripts
+   checking for 2.*, so I'd rather submit it as a backport.)
+
+&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 07 december 2011 19:19:33 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> As asked many times on this ML can you wait Mageia 2 for this...
+</I>
+noone asked to wait until AFTER may? afaik one person asked to wait for after 
+mageia ALPHA 2?
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+it's all very nice of you to ask, and i answered your question, and had no 
+response, so i assumed you agreed after my reasonings...
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+personally, i don't understand why you are against it, this will likely have 
+less impact than systemd, KDE new version and Gnome new version or even kernel 
+3.X version...
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+I repeat, this is actually a mysql which has a few extra bugfixes, a few extra 
+storage engines, and the existing storage engines have patches made by google 
+and facebook which have always been rejected by sun and oracle...
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+if i submit now, it'll be properly and well tested when we release, and mysql 
+still has no official maintainer.
+
+if it's not good enough, we only need to resubmit mysql again...
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+this is my pov and my reasoning, please provide some valid points please. ( 
+and perhaps read those 3 threads before reacting?)
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+<PRE>On 07.12.2011 21:06, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+</I>&gt;<i> what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+</I>&gt;<i> for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+</I>
+Ah, good. Has someone invalidated the old wrong mga1 update markreleases
+from cauldron mga2 tree, or shall I look into scripting it (or is
+someone already looking into it)?
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 07 december 2011 19:19:33 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As asked many times on this ML can you wait Mageia 2 for this...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> noone asked to wait until AFTER may? afaik one person asked to wait for after
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia ALPHA 2?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Dont submit it before Alpha2.
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+We have enough pieces in the Cauldron puzzle right now that needs to be 
+sorted out first.
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+&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:06, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, good. Has someone invalidated the old wrong mga1 update markreleases
+</I>&gt;<i> from cauldron mga2 tree, or shall I look into scripting it (or is
+</I>&gt;<i> someone already looking into it)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, it's still not done, so if you can/want to sort it out, please do so.
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+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 7.12.2011 21:37:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:06, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, good. Has someone invalidated the old wrong mga1 update markreleases
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron mga2 tree, or shall I look into scripting it (or is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone already looking into it)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, it's still not done, so if you can/want to sort it out, please do so.
+</I>
+I hate changelog breakage, so I'll do it :)
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+&gt;<i> After Alpha2 I guess we need to discuss this on a council meeting to
+</I>&gt;<i> get a decision for Mageia 2.
+</I>
+fine, i don't see the need of why to have a council meeting wrt this though...
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+officially unmaintained...
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+we're going on and on about how we're going to drop everything unmaintained, 
+but when push comes to shove, it's all a bluff...
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 07 december 2011 20:38:16 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After Alpha2 I guess we need to discuss this on a council meeting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get a decision for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> fine, i don't see the need of why to have a council meeting wrt this though...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's so frustrating, i'm doing here all the work and testing while mysql is
+</I>&gt;<i> officially unmaintained...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we're going on and on about how we're going to drop everything unmaintained,
+</I>&gt;<i> but when push comes to shove, it's all a bluff...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /rant
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lemme know when there _IS_ a good moment to submit
+</I>If MySQL has no maintainer for alpha 2 then i'm in for MariaDB. No point to keep 
+unmaintained packages if there is replacement and maintainer for it.
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+harddrake2 can detect it as bluetooth device and not only as USB controller,
+but here is some of the info I gathered:
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+lspcidrake -vv |grep Texas
+xhci_hcd : Texas Instruments|Device 8241 [SERIAL_USB] (vendor:104c
+device:8241 subv:1558 subd:1500) (rev:02)
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+lspci for this device: attached.
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+As I understand it, it is in practice a multimedia device with Bluetooth
+communication capability.
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+Thanks &amp; BFN
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 07/12/11 20:53 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 07.12.2011 22:31, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op woensdag 07 december 2011 20:38:16 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After Alpha2 I guess we need to discuss this on a council meeting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get a decision for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fine, i don't see the need of why to have a council meeting wrt this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's so frustrating, i'm doing here all the work and testing while
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysql is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> officially unmaintained...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we're going on and on about how we're going to drop everything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unmaintained,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but when push comes to shove, it's all a bluff...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /rant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lemme know when there _IS_ a good moment to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> If MySQL has no maintainer for alpha 2 then i'm in for MariaDB. No point
+</I>&gt;<i> to keep unmaintained packages if there is replacement and maintainer for
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>
+I'm perfectly willing to give it a shot (even with my earlier concerns
+and caveats). Perhaps after alpha2 is a good idea, but I'm not against
+doing it sooner either for wider testing (the &quot;officialness&quot; of an alpha
+should mean it gets more testing... in theory!), especially as I doubt
+it will cause any problems due to the nature of the software and it's
+sources and who is behind it etc. If there is a problem we resubmit
+mysql before the beta stage.
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+I certainly feel your frustration, (I've been in a similar situation
+several times!), but try to be pragmatic and understand peoples'
+concerns/paranoia (once bitten, twice shy and all that!)
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 07 december 2011 21:53:47 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 07.12.2011 22:31, Maarten Vanraes kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op woensdag 07 december 2011 20:38:16 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; After Alpha2 I guess we need to discuss this on a council meeting to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; get a decision for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fine, i don't see the need of why to have a council meeting wrt this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; though...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's so frustrating, i'm doing here all the work and testing while mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is officially unmaintained...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we're going on and on about how we're going to drop everything
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unmaintained, but when push comes to shove, it's all a bluff...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /rant
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lemme know when there _IS_ a good moment to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If MySQL has no maintainer for alpha 2 then i'm in for MariaDB. No point to
+</I>&gt;<i> keep unmaintained packages if there is replacement and maintainer for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+it seems there are a few people who now and then do some mysql work though, so 
+i may have overstated this part a bit, my apologies, i was a bit frustrated 
+after a tough day...
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+<PRE>On 7 December 2011 22:59, Dick Gevers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I dunno the precise format needed to add this device to ldetect-lst, so
+</I>&gt;<i> harddrake2 can detect it as bluetooth device and not only as USB controller,
+</I>&gt;<i> but here is some of the info I gathered:
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+</I>&gt;<i> lspcidrake -vv |grep Texas
+</I>&gt;<i> xhci_hcd : Texas Instruments|Device 8241 [SERIAL_USB] (vendor:104c
+</I>&gt;<i> device:8241 subv:1558 subd:1500) (rev:02)
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 07 december 2011 23:08:35 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> I'm perfectly willing to give it a shot (even with my earlier concerns
+</I>&gt;<i> and caveats). Perhaps after alpha2 is a good idea, but I'm not against
+</I>&gt;<i> doing it sooner either for wider testing (the &quot;officialness&quot; of an alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> should mean it gets more testing... in theory!), especially as I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> it will cause any problems due to the nature of the software and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> sources and who is behind it etc. If there is a problem we resubmit
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql before the beta stage.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I certainly feel your frustration, (I've been in a similar situation
+</I>&gt;<i> several times!), but try to be pragmatic and understand peoples'
+</I>&gt;<i> concerns/paranoia (once bitten, twice shy and all that!)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i've watched part of a movie after i noticed i was stepping over the line...
+
+my apologies, i've cooled down now.
+
+I do understand the other pov, though i still maintain that the likeliness of 
+problems due to this is fairly low and the willingness of mariadb to get any 
+issues fixed fast is pretty high, the actual progress being done on mariadb is 
+fairly quick, there's a quite a number of developers and i got good contacts 
+with several developers there, who are fairly dedicated to fixing asap any 
+bugs.
+
+if there are problems i'm fairly certain we can get the help from upstream in 
+fixing these fast, but given what i've seen of this 5.5 branch it's unlikely to 
+me if there will be issues. it's sticks pretty close to mysql in order to 
+avoid any sort of issues that might pop up, due to this.
+
+i suspect for them it's more of the issue of managability and any odd 
+decisions from the upper management, and that's why they left mysql; the 
+patches that've always been denied by upper management, etc...
+
+from their pov, they work on mysql like they've always done, except they are 
+free-er to do what they want to do, if they want to accept patches from google 
+of facebook, they can..., if they want to add 3rd party storage engines, they 
+can...
+
+looking at it like this, it's unlikely to be much different than updating from 
+5.5.10 to 5.5.15 rather than updating from mysql to mariadb
+
+well, we'll see what happens next...
+
+AL13N
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I'm perfectly willing to give it a shot (even with my earlier concerns
+</I>&gt;<i> and caveats). Perhaps after alpha2 is a good idea, but I'm not against
+</I>&gt;<i> doing it sooner either for wider testing (the &quot;officialness&quot; of an alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> should mean it gets more testing... in theory!), especially as I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> it will cause any problems due to the nature of the software and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> sources and who is behind it etc. If there is a problem we resubmit
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql before the beta stage.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I have to agree with Colin. Seeing who is behind Mariadb and that MariaDB is a 
+dropin replacement for Mysql (which didn't lead to any problems in the tests 
+some people were running), I'm very strongly in support of replacing Mysql by 
+MariaDB.
+
+Ok, let's wait till after alpha2, but I don't see any arguments speaking 
+against MariaDB and - especially in the light of Mysql having no maintainer - 
+I see no reason to keep Mysql.
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+Thankfully that did not cause a boot issue on this system for I am
+still using sysvinit here and Not systemd-sysvinit.
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+Should it now be auto added with kernels on all systems???
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+    Charles
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+-- 
+An air of FRENCH FRIES permeates my nostrils!!
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
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+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 07 december 2011 20:38:16 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After Alpha2 I guess we need to discuss this on a council meeting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get a decision for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fine, i don't see the need of why to have a council meeting wrt this though...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry for being unclear, I was just pointing out that if we cant agree 
+on the ml, council has the power to decide.
+
+&gt;<i> lemme know when there _IS_ a good moment to submit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Fact is... I'm very much interested in mariadb, and given Oracles track 
+record, I suspect soon mariadb will be the only real choice.
+And since I know who upstream is, I have no problem switching...
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+The thing I reacted against is the bad timing and even worse test planning.
+
+You suggested to push mariadb in the middle of a big kde upgrade, wich
+pretty much means half part would have been built against mysql and the
+rest against mariadb... (yes I know it should work tecnically, but...)
+And then you suggested that if it does not seem to work we pull it back 
+out 2 days later -&gt; meaning no real time to test, and messing it up
+even more... thats not how you do proper testing/qa...
+
+
+There must be a _way_ better longterm plan to get people to really
+think about it...
+
+
+So here is what I suggest:
+
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+After Alpha2 ISOs are relased to the mirrors:
+1. announce the upcoming push on -dev ml to remind people
+2. push mariadb to core/release obsoleting/replacing _all_ of
+    mysql.
+3. rebuild _everything_ that normlly builds against mysql to make
+    sure it builds correctly against mariadb and still works after
+
+
+Now for thq QA / testing part:
+1. we use mariadb in Alpha3 (planned 2012 Jan. 12) and keep
+    fixing any bugs that might show up.
+2. around ~10 days before Beta1 (planned 2012 Feb. 21) we evalute
+    the situation... if it still seems to work, keep using mariadb
+    for Beta1
+3. final call: 1-3 days before version freeze (planned 2012 Mar. 7)
+    This it the point of no return... Here we decide if we go mariadb
+    or mysql for Mageia 2. Whatever we decide at this point is not up
+    for discussion anymore after this, as version freeze will be
+    enforced (with small reservation for KDE/Gnome release schedules)
+    This way we have Beta2 (planned 2012 Mar. 15) and RC (planned
+    2012 Apr. 10) to flush out any problems we might get by reverting
+    to mysql.
+
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+And to be more specific about all needed testing for mariadb:
+- testing all apps built against mariadb
+- testing by creating all kinds of databases in mysql, and see
+   if mariadb is capable of upgrading/supporting them
+- testing if sql clients still work when accessing (remote)
+   mysql servers.
+- for those that feel brave, try to put it into live setups
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+How does this plan sound ?
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:39, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 7.12.2011 21:37:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:06, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, good. Has someone invalidated the old wrong mga1 update markreleases
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron mga2 tree, or shall I look into scripting it (or is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone already looking into it)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nope, it's still not done, so if you can/want to sort it out, please do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I hate changelog breakage, so I'll do it :)
+</I>
+Done (233 markrelease propsets and removed tags).
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+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     2312
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     tv
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-12-07 23:19:34 +0100 (Wed, 07 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth not usb
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is wrong!
+
+xhci-hcd is USB3 Host Controller Driver
+
+I guess the Texas Instruments|Device 8241 is a combo chip that only 
+shows its usb3 side and not the bluetooth part, but that issue must be 
+fixed differently.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>       Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   * drakx/trunk/kernel/list_modules.pm &lt;#drakxtrunkkernellist_modulespm&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>   * drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS &lt;#drakxtrunkperlinstallNEWS&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/kernel/list_modules.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/kernel/list_modules.pm	2011-12-07 21:10:04 UTC (rev 2311)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/kernel/list_modules.pm	2011-12-07 22:19:34 UTC (rev 2312)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -164,8 +164,8 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     bus =&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>     {
+</I>&gt;<i> -    usb =&gt;  [ qw(xhci-hcd ehci-hcd hwa-hc isp116x-hcd isp1760 ohci-hcd r8a66597-hcd sl811_cs sl811-hcd uhci-hcd u132-hcd usb-uhci usb-ohci whci-hcd) ],
+</I>&gt;<i> -    bluetooth =&gt;  [ qw(bcm203x bfusb bpa10x btusb) ],
+</I>&gt;<i> +    usb =&gt;  [ qw(ehci-hcd hwa-hc isp116x-hcd isp1760 ohci-hcd r8a66597-hcd sl811_cs sl811-hcd uhci-hcd u132-hcd usb-uhci usb-ohci whci-hcd) ],
+</I>&gt;<i> +    bluetooth =&gt;  [ qw(bcm203x bfusb bpa10x btusb xhci-hcd) ],
+</I>&gt;<i>       firewire =&gt;  [ qw(ohci1394) ],
+</I>&gt;<i>       i2c =&gt;  [
+</I>&gt;<i>         qw(i2c-ali1535 i2c-ali1563 i2c-ali15x3 i2c-amd756 i2c-amd8111 i2c-i801 i2c-i810 i2c-nforce2),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2011-12-07 21:10:04 UTC (rev 2311)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2011-12-07 22:19:34 UTC (rev 2312)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,3 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +- harddrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> +  o identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth not usb
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i>   Version 13.71 - 04 December 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   - service_harddrake:
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:52, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:39, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 7.12.2011 21:37:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 07.12.2011 21:06, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 6.12.2011 01:29:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2633</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, this is another thing that needs to be fixed regardless of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we do with backports. for now we have just disabled markrel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for updates so it does not mess up the changelogs even more.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, good. Has someone invalidated the old wrong mga1 update markreleases
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron mga2 tree, or shall I look into scripting it (or is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> someone already looking into it)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nope, it's still not done, so if you can/want to sort it out, please do so.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hate changelog breakage, so I'll do it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done (233 markrelease propsets and removed tags).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Great! Thanks for doing this!
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+&gt;<i> I've noticed on the latest tmb kernels (those after 3.0.8-1) that
+</I>&gt;<i> init=systemd is now being auto added to the lilo append.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thankfully that did not cause a boot issue on this system for I am
+</I>&gt;<i> still using sysvinit here and Not systemd-sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should it now be auto added with kernels on all systems???
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+AFAIK it should only happend if you had it on the command line for the 
+kernel you was running when you installed next kernel.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Sorry for being unclear, I was just pointing out that if we cant agree
+</I>&gt;<i> on the ml, council has the power to decide.
+</I>
+ah, ok
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> You suggested to push mariadb in the middle of a big kde upgrade, wich
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty much means half part would have been built against mysql and the
+</I>&gt;<i> rest against mariadb... (yes I know it should work tecnically, but...)
+</I>&gt;<i> And then you suggested that if it does not seem to work we pull it back
+</I>&gt;<i> out 2 days later -&gt; meaning no real time to test, and messing it up
+</I>&gt;<i> even more... thats not how you do proper testing/qa...
+</I>
+i understand your pov; tbh, after reading mikala's mail, i had misunderstood 
+that 4.7.4 was already completely pushed, and so that it was not in the middle 
+of the big KDE upgrade, but after it. (i've only realized my misinterpretation 
+after speaking with mikala about it)
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> How does this plan sound ?
+</I>
+It sounds good, something like this i had in mind, i hadn't shown the real 
+plan yet, as i just wanted a bit more testing. I only mentioned the worst case 
+scenario there ... (thanks for taking your time on this proposal, it's nicely 
+detailed (i guess i still should take some communication lessons))
+
+but yeah, your plan sounds good, i'll try to make sure everything is in order 
+by then.
+
+as a reminder, i'm mentioning that 5.5 branch is _not_ released yet, but has 
+all the fixes already from 5.2 to 5.3 to 5.5 (mysql versioning is a bit odd, in 
+the way that the 5.3 and 5.5 are mostly the same; though after 5.5 versioning 
+should be clearer), however upstream said that the planning should allow to be 
+released as final before februari.
+
+at this bzr point, all the code is ready, all the fixes are in; now they are 
+allotting time to fix all the new tests (mostly adapting tests) and build 
+errors in non-standard builds; and also some user-specified patches, such as 
+the ones i submitted from the ones we're still carrying over from mysql.
+
+Yesterday, there is discussion going on, on how to do versioning for 
+libclient, since by default gcc exports all; which we have workarounds for. 
+I've presented our workaround, so that they could take also our distribution 
+into account for this matter, so by any chance we'll be able to really clean 
+up our build/patches (hopefully).
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 7 d&#233;cembre 2011 13:59:41 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to inform that i'm going to push soon KDE 4.7.4 on BS.
+</I>&gt;<i> Once it's done i'll work on KDE 4.8 (so we should be able to have it for RC1
+</I>&gt;<i> ).
+</I>Ok so KDE 4.7.4 is pushed (after a BS flood) &amp; should be soon available on your 
+favorite mirrors.
+(kde-l10n is still building thought &amp; kimono is on the way but i guess 99% 
+don't use this package..)
+Just before someone asked, you might see QR code in kaddressbook, it's a 
+normal issue since i add prison-devel as BR for kdepimlibs, the option to 
+show/unshow is available in kdepim 4.8 so it's just a temporary problem.
+Next step is to provide qtwebkit2.2 as a standalone package (work for this has 
+been committed on the Qt package).
+Once it's done we'll go on the KDE 4.8 road (so probably more for RC1).
+
+Regards,
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 1 d&#233;cembre 2011 06:45:56, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you should not do subpackages then, but separate &#160;downloader package
+</I>&gt;<i> for each game as we do for flash-player-plugin.
+</I>
+Ok, I splitted each game into it's separate package as you suggested,
+leaving only inside ioquake3 the engine per-se and the quake 3 demo,
+and put in separate packages Urban Terror, World Of Padman and Smokin'
+Guns. All of this packges only contain the necesary scripts to
+autodownload at first run the data files of the game. They where
+pushed to the BS and should be already available on mirrors.
+
+I'll apply the same autodownload technique to fix the Sauerbraten
+issue and to other games that also use the ioquake3 engine but have
+issues with the game data files too.
+
+Please test and have fun !!
+
+-- 
+Juancho
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 8 d&#233;cembre 2011 06:02:59, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 1 d&#233;cembre 2011 06:45:56, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; One way to accomplish this could be to redefine Version and Release in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the game subpackages, but I don't know if this ok to do, thinking in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; future updates of the ioquake3 main package or changes in any of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; game subpackages. Or just redefine Version and use the same Release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tag (currently svn2102.0), I really don't know how to handle this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you should not do subpackages then, but separate  downloader
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package for each game as we do for flash-player-plugin.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I splitted each game into it's separate package as you suggested,
+</I>&gt;<i> leaving only inside ioquake3 the engine per-se and the quake 3 demo,
+</I>&gt;<i> and put in separate packages Urban Terror, World Of Padman and Smokin'
+</I>&gt;<i> Guns. All of this packges only contain the necesary scripts to
+</I>&gt;<i> autodownload at first run the data files of the game. They where
+</I>&gt;<i> pushed to the BS and should be already available on mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll apply the same autodownload technique to fix the Sauerbraten
+</I>&gt;<i> issue and to other games that also use the ioquake3 engine but have
+</I>&gt;<i> issues with the game data files too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test and have fun !!
+</I>
+Question : what happens once a game is updated upstream and that we provide a 
+new &quot;empty&quot; package ? Will the data files be autodownloaded at next run ?
+
+Samuel
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 6 d&#233;cembre 2011 23:03:08, Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> my name is Yves-Ga&#235;l aka hurdman ( on the french mageia chan).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have used Mandriva before mageia a long time ago for server and desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of the french team has known me as nantes_geek.
+</I>&gt;<i> I ever made some unofficial package for mandriva ( on distrib coffee
+</I>&gt;<i> people's section).
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a mirror for mageia (mageia.r0b0t.fr) and i begin to port to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia a mandriva-based gpl3 project for educational purpose (phoenixedu
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; the forge will be open soon).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, i have got time to package some soft for the community but i have
+</I>&gt;<i> never learned how build a
+</I>&gt;<i> good rpm ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if someone has some time for me , i can become his apprentice.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope i can contrib a bit ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> many thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman
+</I>
+Nice to see you step in!
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+I already have several apprentices so I won't volunteer for now but hope you 
+will find one soon.
+
+To andre999 : time for a report about current mentorship status? Are there 
+other would-be packager waiting for a mentor?
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+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 08/12/11 00:22 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Charles A Edwards skrev 8.12.2011 01:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've noticed on the latest tmb kernels (those after 3.0.8-1) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> init=systemd is now being auto added to the lilo append.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thankfully that did not cause a boot issue on this system for I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still using sysvinit here and Not systemd-sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should it now be auto added with kernels on all systems???
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK it should only happend if you had it on the command line for the
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel you was running when you installed next kernel.
+</I>
+Yup, it's just a monkey see, monkey do approach. If you've already got
+any kernel params in your existing config, they will be preserved for
+your next kernel.
+
+It's nothing specific to init= argument or systemd as a value.
+
+I answered this exact same question a few days ago on this list...
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+I consider the (first phase of) the adoption campaign finished, so here are some 
+stats about it, and an opening for discussion about what to do next.
+
+We had 4931 packages without a maintainer, we now have 2043, so I think we can 
+say that the campaign was a success in this regard : nearly 3000 source 
+packages have found a maintainer.
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+See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> for the list of orphan 
+packages.
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+Out of 57 packagers with submit rights (I might have missed a few that got 
+submit rights recently, but it wont change the results much):
+- 35 are now &quot;full&quot; (or even took too much packages)
+- 11 answered at some point that they were going to have a look at the list 
+and maybe grab more packages, but didn't give me feedback after that, even 
+after a new mail sent. We can suppose that they are now &quot;full&quot; too.
+- 6 are inactive (no packaging in months)
+- 5 well-known active packagers never answered in 3 months either to the 
+mailing list or to my direct mails (sent at @mageia.org addresses), which is a 
+bit disappointing considering the amount of time I put into this campaign, but 
+I want to thank the vast majority who was really willing to help in this 
+campaign. 
+
+The conclusion is that for most packagers the maintainers database is now up 
+to date, with maybe a few more orphan packages that could find a maintainer, 
+but not a lot.
+
+I would have liked that there be no need for such a campaign, but events 
+showed that there's a real need for someone who sends reminders to the mailing 
+lists, pings packagers, points out important orphan packages. Waiting for 
+things to solve themselves doesn't work :) However, this demands a lot of 
+energy and I would be glad if someone could replace me in this task, because I 
+lack time to develop Mageia App Db. I volunteered only because there was a gap 
+to fulfill, but would be glad to see someone else become the official Orphan 
+Packages Protector.
+
+His/her work would be the following:
+- identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of 
+unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+- do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar 
+situation,
+- try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not necessarily 
+make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+- try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+
+I'm willing to help with advice or tools but would like to not be the person 
+in charge, if possible, so that I can really make the Mageia App Db available 
+before Mageia 2.
+
+Does someone volunteer? It is a job that demands a lot of energy and 
+confidence, but I think it would be a really useful contribution. Bugsquad is 
+already doing part of this, but they have other duties, so someone dedicated 
+to this task could maybe help.
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+Best regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+    <B>philippe makowski</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/12/8 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;<i> - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;<i> situation,
+</I>&gt;<i> - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not necessarily
+</I>&gt;<i> make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i> - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+every interested packagers could join to help.
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+Of course, I'll happy doing this work. As what I'm currently doing.
+But I don't have time doing works regarding solving bugs, cause it is
+very difficult to fix bugs belonging to orphan packages.
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+    <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B> 
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+<PRE>W dniu 08.12.2011 11:04, Samuel Verschelde pisze:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I consider the (first phase of) the adoption campaign finished, so here are some
+</I>&gt;<i> stats about it, and an opening for discussion about what to do next.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We had 4931 packages without a maintainer, we now have 2043, so I think we can
+</I>&gt;<i> say that the campaign was a success in this regard : nearly 3000 source
+</I>&gt;<i> packages have found a maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> for the list of orphan
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Out of 57 packagers with submit rights (I might have missed a few that got
+</I>&gt;<i> submit rights recently, but it wont change the results much):
+</I>&gt;<i> - 35 are now &quot;full&quot; (or even took too much packages)
+</I>&gt;<i> - 11 answered at some point that they were going to have a look at the list
+</I>&gt;<i> and maybe grab more packages, but didn't give me feedback after that, even
+</I>&gt;<i> after a new mail sent. We can suppose that they are now &quot;full&quot; too.
+</I>&gt;<i> - 6 are inactive (no packaging in months)
+</I>&gt;<i> - 5 well-known active packagers never answered in 3 months either to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list or to my direct mails (sent at @mageia.org addresses), which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> bit disappointing considering the amount of time I put into this campaign, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to thank the vast majority who was really willing to help in this
+</I>&gt;<i> campaign.
+</I>Hello, I just inform that I was collecting the data for this action, the 
+stats are here <A HREF="http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/MageiaStats/">http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/MageiaStats/</A> it says about the 
+daily ration of the maintained and the unmaintained packages + how many 
+full-packagers maintain at least a single package.
+
+&gt;<i> The conclusion is that for most packagers the maintainers database is now up
+</I>&gt;<i> to date, with maybe a few more orphan packages that could find a maintainer,
+</I>&gt;<i> but not a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have liked that there be no need for such a campaign, but events
+</I>&gt;<i> showed that there's a real need for someone who sends reminders to the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists, pings packagers, points out important orphan packages. Waiting for
+</I>&gt;<i> things to solve themselves doesn't work :) However, this demands a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> energy and I would be glad if someone could replace me in this task, because I
+</I>&gt;<i> lack time to develop Mageia App Db. I volunteered only because there was a gap
+</I>&gt;<i> to fulfill, but would be glad to see someone else become the official Orphan
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages Protector.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;<i> - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;<i> situation,
+</I>&gt;<i> - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not necessarily
+</I>&gt;<i> make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i> - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm willing to help with advice or tools but would like to not be the person
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge, if possible, so that I can really make the Mageia App Db available
+</I>&gt;<i> before Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does someone volunteer? It is a job that demands a lot of energy and
+</I>&gt;<i> confidence, but I think it would be a really useful contribution. Bugsquad is
+</I>&gt;<i> already doing part of this, but they have other duties, so someone dedicated
+</I>&gt;<i> to this task could maybe help.
+</I>Before we start to do that, do you remember about these words:
+ &gt;Currently the data about ownership of packages is tracked in 
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A> and umaintined packages are 
+listed in <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.</A> This will 
+be better integrated and managed at a later point, and we will have a 
+grace period for unmaintained packages. After the grace period, packages 
+without a maintainer will be reviewed and any packages without a 
+maintainer will be nominated for deletion.
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+source <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines</A>
+
+I look into many really abandoned packages, without any interest among 
+the packagers, and for some of them it's even quite hard to find any 
+on-line resource.. For example cpuinfo, it's a /proc/* parser for CPU 
+related data. It's 2-3 years old (so what about the new hardware?!), 
+even the author of the software isn't responding to e-mail to just point 
+a working URL for his software.
+&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>Regards
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 8 d&#233;cembre 2011 12:33:28, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello, I just inform that I was collecting the data for this action, the
+</I>&gt;<i> stats are here <A HREF="http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/MageiaStats/">http://kamil.mageia.org.pl/MageiaStats/</A> it says about the
+</I>&gt;<i> daily ration of the maintained and the unmaintained packages + how many
+</I>&gt;<i> full-packagers maintain at least a single package.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Thanks, those stats are cool :)
+
+&gt;<i> Before we start to do that, do you remember about these words:
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently the data about ownership of packages is tracked in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A> and umaintined packages are
+</I>&gt;<i> listed in <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.</A> This will
+</I>&gt;<i> be better integrated and managed at a later point, and we will have a
+</I>&gt;<i> grace period for unmaintained packages. After the grace period, packages
+</I>&gt;<i> without a maintainer will be reviewed and any packages without a
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer will be nominated for deletion.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> source <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I look into many really abandoned packages, without any interest among
+</I>&gt;<i> the packagers, and for some of them it's even quite hard to find any
+</I>&gt;<i> on-line resource.. For example cpuinfo, it's a /proc/* parser for CPU
+</I>&gt;<i> related data. It's 2-3 years old (so what about the new hardware?!),
+</I>&gt;<i> even the author of the software isn't responding to e-mail to just point
+</I>&gt;<i> a working URL for his software.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+This example is not really about the package having no maintainer, but rather 
+for it being dead upstream, which often leads to removal of the distribution 
+unless a packager becomes the de-facto upstream and has time, willingness and 
+knowledge to patch it when needed (works also if it's being maintained in 
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/8 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; situation,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; necessarily make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+If forgot about this idea, and support it without hesitation.
+
+&gt;<i> Of course, I'll happy doing this work. As what I'm currently doing.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't have time doing works regarding solving bugs, cause it is
+</I>&gt;<i> very difficult to fix bugs belonging to orphan packages.
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 8 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:51:46, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/12/8 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; of unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; situation,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; necessarily make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If forgot about this idea, and support it without hesitation.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+On second thoughts, the mailing list should not be called &quot;nobody&quot; but rather 
+&quot;orphanage&quot; or something that shows to bug reporters that there are packagers 
+behind it.
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+<PRE>W dniu 08.12.2011 13:13, Samuel Verschelde pisze:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Before we start to do that, do you remember about these words:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently the data about ownership of packages is tracked in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/maintdb.txt</A> and umaintined packages are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> listed in <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt.</A> This will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be better integrated and managed at a later point, and we will have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grace period for unmaintained packages. After the grace period, packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without a maintainer will be reviewed and any packages without a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer will be nominated for deletion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I look into many really abandoned packages, without any interest among
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the packagers, and for some of them it's even quite hard to find any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on-line resource.. For example cpuinfo, it's a /proc/* parser for CPU
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> related data. It's 2-3 years old (so what about the new hardware?!),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even the author of the software isn't responding to e-mail to just point
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a working URL for his software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This example is not really about the package having no maintainer, but rather
+</I>&gt;<i> for it being dead upstream, which often leads to removal of the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> unless a packager becomes the de-facto upstream and has time, willingness and
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge to patch it when needed (works also if it's being maintained in
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributions).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>But what's up with the time after the grace period?
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+Yesterday happened to switch to German for a while - not my native language
+- but I did see a typo which may already be fixed or not: 'Einagbe' instead
+of 'Eingabe'. 
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+I don't want to post this to Bugzilla: too much an effort for stg probably
+known: if not please take it from here.
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+Thanks v.m. and BFN,
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+    <B>Angelo Naselli</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> for the list of
+</I>&gt;<i> orphan packages.
+</I>
+monodevelop-debugger-gdb
+taken.
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+monodevelop-boo
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+According to monodevelop download page[1]
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+&gt;<i> On second thoughts, the mailing list should not be called &quot;nobody&quot; but
+</I>&gt;<i> rather &quot;orphanage&quot; or something that shows to bug reporters that there are
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers behind it.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; I look into many really abandoned packages, without any interest among
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the packagers, and for some of them it's even quite hard to find any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on-line resource.. For example cpuinfo, it's a /proc/* parser for CPU
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; related data. It's 2-3 years old (so what about the new hardware?!),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; even the author of the software isn't responding to e-mail to just point
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a working URL for his software.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This example is not really about the package having no maintainer, but
+</I>&gt;<i> rather for it being dead upstream, which often leads to removal of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution unless a packager becomes the de-facto upstream and has time,
+</I>&gt;<i> willingness and knowledge to patch it when needed (works also if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> being maintained in other distributions).
+</I>
+imho we could easily drop cpuinfo, i mean, unless it's used as a dependency in 
+something greater, it seems a bit useless to me...
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+<PRE>Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2011, 15:27:45 schrieb Dick Gevers:
+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yesterday happened to switch to German for a while - not my native language
+</I>&gt;<i> - but I did see a typo which may already be fixed or not: 'Einagbe' instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of 'Eingabe'.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to post this to Bugzilla: too much an effort for stg probably
+</I>&gt;<i> known: if not please take it from here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks v.m. and BFN,
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>
+Could you tell me, where you did find that typo?
+
+And for the next time, could you please file a bug report? Messages on the ml 
+can &quot;get lost&quot;, bug reports usually don't.
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+Thank you,
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Question : what happens once a game is updated upstream and that we provide a
+</I>&gt;<i> new &quot;empty&quot; package ? Will the data files be autodownloaded at next run ?
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+Yes, that's the idea, but I'll check the download scripts to be sure
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Yesterday happened to switch to German for a while - not my native
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - but I did see a typo which may already be fixed or not: 'Einagbe'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of 'Eingabe'.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Could you tell me, where you did find that typo?
+</I>
+Start localedrake. Press 'Weiter'. Press 'Andere Laender'. Near the bottom
+is shown 'Einagbe-Methode'.
+
+&gt;<i>And for the next time, could you please file a bug report? Messages on the
+</I>&gt;<i>ml can &quot;get lost&quot;, bug reports usually don't.
+</I>
+I'm not likely to forget if nobody replies. I know about Bugzilla: been
+there.
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+Thanks &amp; best regards,
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2011, 22:18:19 schrieb Dick Gevers:
+&gt;<i> I'm not likely to forget if nobody replies. I know about Bugzilla: been
+</I>&gt;<i> there.
+</I>Maybe not you, but me :D
+
+Fixed in svn for Mga1 and Cauldron.
+
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+[soft-commits] [2316] fixed German translation typo:
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+&gt;<i>Revision: 2316
+</I>&gt;<i>fixed German translation typo
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+Danke !
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+</I>&gt;<i> With todays update of libreoffice, I'm getting a bunch of messages
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+</I>&gt;<i> /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/autocorr-cs-3.3.4.1-1.1.mga1.noarch.rpm: Invalid
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+</I>&gt;<i> I thought the rpm signing was supposed to be automatic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How does this happen?
+</I>
+unfortunatly sometimes it fails. I reuploaded a new libreoffice which
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+Is it possible converting some libreoffice l10n and help sub packages
+into noarch packages? It will save a lot of space for mirrors.
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+Regards.
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+&gt;<i> 05.12.2011 13:12, Maarten Vanraes skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:54:47 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 5 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:44:19, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op maandag 05 december 2011 11:10:00 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 novembre 2011 14:23:00, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 11:26, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know if it's still true, but according to the fedora games
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SIG group sauerbraten will not be packaged there because there are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (were?) &quot;Various non commercial use clauses in the data.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> According to their homepage, the data (they call it media) is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Free Software. <A HREF="http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license">http://sauerbraten.org/README.html#license</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So it must be removed from core and submitted to non-free.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so the &quot;data&quot; subpackage can be moved to nonfree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The engine package too, because we can't have a package in core that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> depends on nonfree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can't we?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our policy is that core _must_ be selfcontained.
+</I>So what to do with (game) emulators?
+I just checked that ScummVM is in core and one game is in nonfree.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> theorethically, people could make another data packages that is free? 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no? i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mean, if the engine is free, it doesn't really make sense to make it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nonfree... ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then _if_ someone actually make a free data package, we can do the split
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 05.12.2011 12:53, Thomas Backlund pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our policy is that core _must_ be selfcontained.
+</I>&gt;<i> So what to do with (game) emulators?
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked that ScummVM is in core and one game is in nonfree.
+</I>And in Cauldron there are 2 games:
+     beneath-a-steel-sky-1.2-2.mga2.nonfree.noarch.rpm - A adventure 
+game using scummvm
+     flight-of-the-amazon-queen-1-2.mga2.nonfree.noarch.rpm - A 
+adventure game using scummvm
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 09.12.2011 07:41, Kamil Rytarowski pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 05.12.2011 12:53, Thomas Backlund pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our policy is that core _must_ be selfcontained.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what to do with (game) emulators?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just checked that ScummVM is in core and one game is in nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i> And in Cauldron there are 2 games:
+</I>&gt;<i> beneath-a-steel-sky-1.2-2.mga2.nonfree.noarch.rpm - A adventure game
+</I>&gt;<i> using scummvm
+</I>&gt;<i> flight-of-the-amazon-queen-1-2.mga2.nonfree.noarch.rpm - A adventure
+</I>&gt;<i> game using scummvm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Scummvm doesn't require either of the games as a dependency. It is a 
+frontend to run games from. Games can be downloaded or come from our 
+nonfree repo. They are listed in Scummvm and you can select which one to 
+play, it is self contained in that way.
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+&gt;<i> NO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our policy is that core _must_ be selfcontained.
+</I>
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+Hi there,
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+what's about quake2 which is currently on the core and cannot work 
+without pak files?
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+Cheers,
+Chris.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible converting some libreoffice l10n and help sub packages
+</I>&gt;<i> into noarch packages? It will save a lot of space for mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>
+i see no pb with this ( just that i have not though of it before )
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+    <B>Malo</B> 
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+<PRE>On 08/12/11 10:04, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I consider the (first phase of) the adoption campaign finished, so here are some 
+</I>&gt;<i> stats about it, and an opening for discussion about what to do next.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We had 4931 packages without a maintainer, we now have 2043, so I think we can 
+</I>&gt;<i> say that the campaign was a success in this regard : nearly 3000 source 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages have found a maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A> for the list of orphan 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>
+Hi Stormi/list,
+I'm an apprentice of Shlomif and will graduate soon (just waiting for sysadmin
+to give the full rights).
+I will then take over most of the ocaml-related packages (around 40/50ish
+packages). I hope it'll take us under 2000 unmaintained packages.
+Next target 1000 ...
+Best,
+-- 
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+    <B>Michel Catudal</B> 
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+USB devices at the time
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+1-Keyboard
+2-Mouse
+3-WinTV-HVR 950Q
+4- Sandisk Cruzer 8GB jump drive
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+Kaffeine was not running. My gui is 2.32.1 and this is Version Official 1 of Mageia AMD64.
+Since the Jump drive for what I wanted to copy to I unplugged it.
+I then plugged in a 16GB jump drive. All USB device were gone. Mouse and keyboard unusable. Even if I disconnect and reconnect keyboard or mouse they did not come back. Only recourse was the reset button switch.
+
+The motherboard is a MSI K9A2
+
+Michel Catudal
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Since the Jump drive for what I wanted to copy to I unplugged it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I then plugged in a 16GB jump drive. All USB device were gone. Mouse and keyboard unusable. Even if I disconnect and reconnect keyboard or mouse they did not come back. Only recourse was the reset button switch.
+</I>
+If there are no message in the log files, this could be a symptom
+of an overloaded (on the +12v rail), which I have run into before. See
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+<A HREF="https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.hardware/browse_thread/thread/5fa204fad269a977/b2d23cf9a9c8b6b9?q=group:alt.comp.hardware&amp;hl=en&amp;pli=1">https://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.hardware/browse_thread/thread/5fa204fad269a977/b2d23cf9a9c8b6b9?q=group:alt.comp.hardware&amp;hl=en&amp;pli=1</A>
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root-odJJhXpcy38dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org</A> skrev 7.12.2011 12:35:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;2302
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;ennael
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;2011-12-07 11:35:48 +0100 (Wed, 07 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks aginies)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh yes it does!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's only in mdv they have disabled all ide drivers without thinking of
+</I>&gt;<i> those where the pata drivers dont work...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>should this be reverted then ?
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/8 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; situation,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not necessarily
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>
+No.
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+For the reasons already highlighted several time, this would not work.
+That's the situation at mandriva, and we know well the problem it cause
+( aka, obscure communication, no one really in charge of a rpm, so not
+one feeling responsible for bugs or anything ).
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+Either a package is maintained and should be marked as such, or it is
+not, and should be marked as such, with a unfortunate fate for him
+sooner or later. 
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+The goal is not to align lots of unmaintained packages, but to have a
+maintained distribution. People have been complaining for quality since
+a lot of time, and that's the only way to have it. 
+If not, this end like Mandriva, people see and fill bugs, they are not
+fixed, and no one care. This greatly undermine the confidence in the
+distribution in the long run, and so while having maintainer is not a
+magic solution, this is a important step in the right direction. 
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+A free-for-all pool is just a mess.  
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+&gt;<i> The biggest problem for me is that it is really difficult to test any
+</I>&gt;<i> changes, one'd need a mockup of the whole buildsystem... and I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to propose any patches blind :)
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+2 vm + setup of puppet should be able to fully replicate the
+configuration. Despites being seen as a hot skill
+( <A HREF="http://siliconangle.com/blog/2011/10/31/puppet-and-hadoop-among-the-hottest-it-skills/">http://siliconangle.com/blog/2011/10/31/puppet-and-hadoop-among-the-hottest-it-skills/</A> ), I am rather surprised that no one take the opportunity to learn it and to help. 
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 08 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 18:51 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For the reasons already highlighted several time, this would not work.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the situation at mandriva, and we know well the problem it cause
+</I>&gt;<i> ( aka, obscure communication, no one really in charge of a rpm, so not
+</I>&gt;<i> one feeling responsible for bugs or anything ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Either a package is maintained and should be marked as such, or it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not, and should be marked as such, with a unfortunate fate for him
+</I>&gt;<i> sooner or later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal is not to align lots of unmaintained packages, but to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained distribution. People have been complaining for quality since
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of time, and that's the only way to have it.
+</I>&gt;<i> If not, this end like Mandriva, people see and fill bugs, they are not
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed, and no one care. This greatly undermine the confidence in the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution in the long run, and so while having maintainer is not a
+</I>&gt;<i> magic solution, this is a important step in the right direction.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A free-for-all pool is just a mess.
+</I>
+You're explaining why having orphan packages is bad and it's hard to disagree, 
+but I fail to see why such a mailing list for people who are ready to devote 
+some time to orphan packages would make things worse. It's not because it's 
+not the ideal solution that it's bad, is it?
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+&gt;<i> Now,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening 
+</I>&gt;<i> backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+</I>&gt;<i> something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+</I>
+Well, the backport issue ( ie :
+- no garantee of keep the distribution upgradable
+- no security  )
+
+have also not been fixed, so that's rather unfair to 
+
+&gt;<i> And at current rate we will probably release Mageia &quot;infinity&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> before backports is opened.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It has been delayed because of needed infrastructure changes,
+</I>&gt;<i> something no-one have had time to do so far...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I know there is &quot;only some coding missing&quot; and &quot;someone should
+</I>&gt;<i> do it&quot;, buth truthfully there are only a few that knows the
+</I>&gt;<i> code used in the buildsystem enough to actually make it happend,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they are already othervise busy or overloaded...
+</I>&gt;<i> (this is no rant against them, as all here are using their
+</I>&gt;<i>   personal free time to help out)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+</I>
+Then we have a bigger problem to solve.
+
+&gt;<i> So here is a suggestion to get some value to our endusers:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> we add a backports branch on svn
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So packages for backports would use:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> svn.mageia.org/packages/backports/1/&lt;package&gt;/{current,pristine,releases}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and allow that to be used for backports.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>
+Then in practice, that mean having a 2nd/3rd distribution ( because
+there is a separate 2nd svn branch, and a 3rd one for later ) and so
+that's a big no for me. Having 2+ branchs is just asking for trouble
+when they are not in sync ( and since keeping everything in sync
+properly with svn is a pain if there is a divergence, this will not be
+done ).
+
+Worst, if we do like in mdv and propose 2 way of backporting ( submit
+from cauldron, submit from a branch ), this will create a mess of having
+some packages from cauldron, some from the branch, and people having no
+way from knowing where does a package come from. This also make the
+system harder to maintain and to follow, and rather impossible to script
+properly.
+
+So that's also to be avoided.
+
+Having a separate branch where people can write also remove the only
+incentive I have seen for backports, ie, wider testing of our packages,
+because they may not really the same as in cauldron. 
+
+
+So here is what I propose :
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+- have X branchs, but do not let anyone commit on it, besides a system
+user. When a package is submitted to cauldron, it is also copied to this
+branch, ie, we make sure current is in sync. The same goes for version
+N-1 being copied from N once a backported rpm have been submitted to be
+used by people. Once a distribution is no longer supported, we close the
+branch, and disable the sync.
+
+- backports are only submitted from the branch, with separate
+markrelease, tags, whatever. This let us have proper audit of backports,
+and who did what.
+
+- packagers still need to commit and submit on cauldron before any
+backports. So we miss no fixes or anything by mistake. We also make sure
+that cauldron is always the highest version possible, thus permitting at
+least some form of upgrade. ( either stable to stable, provided
+backports are used, or stable to cauldron ). And we also ensure that
+backports are done first on the most recent stable version, for the same
+reason ( ensure some form of upgrade path, as asked several time by
+users ).
+
+And we can still use %ifdef if a need arise for a different spec between
+distribution versions. While that make spec less readable, that's more
+readable than having forked specs 2 or 3 times.
+
+This requires : 
+
+- 1 youri action to copy the package to current backport branch ( can be
+done based on the markrelease action and the others )
+
+- 1 svn configuration to prevent people from writing directly there ( or
+just say to not do it, and burn people who do it )
+
+- youri config to let people submit from backports to backports_testing.
+
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+Situation:
+A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build in  
+X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and to 
+turn-off in a menu of X.
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+And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
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+will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative 
+source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for Y 
+in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; also 
+installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much simpler 
+than reinstalling X with support for Y
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+X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; so it 
+must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and maintain it
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+Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 12.22.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 180273
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild with new ldetect-lst
+</I>
+oops: bogus changelog: &quot;further update Release Notes URL&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build in
+</I>&gt;<i> X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and to
+</I>&gt;<i> turn-off in a menu of X.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> Person A says:
+</I>&gt;<i> - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never
+</I>&gt;<i> will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for Y
+</I>&gt;<i> in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; also
+</I>&gt;<i> installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much simpler
+</I>&gt;<i> than reinstalling X with support for Y
+</I>&gt;<i> Person B says:
+</I>&gt;<i> - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module of
+</I>&gt;<i> X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; so it
+</I>&gt;<i> must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and maintain it
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is right?
+</I>
+imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine without Y 
+even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y package is fine.
+
+imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also &quot;support the 
+Y-module for X&quot; even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed in mageia, or even 
+if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me.
+
+let's get into specifics:
+
+eg:
+
+X = eduke32 (free)
+Y = content from CDROM (non-redistributable and must be bought)
+Y' = eduke32-hrp (nonfree, but redistributable, may arguably depend on Y, may 
+in future become free, company holding the license of the few files has gone 
+away, the few files may be redone or become GPL-compatible)
+Y'' = demo-data (nonfree, but redistributable)
+(also there are other mods who may serve as Y''')
+
+Y' supposedly doens't work without Y; but maybe it does more or less
+Y'' is shareware
+
+what users want is usually X + Y'
+
+thus in such cases i want to provide X in core, Y' in nonfree and perhaps Y'' 
+in nonfree as well.
+
+this may all seem complicated, but:
+
+businesses aren't necessarily wrong, i mean, they provide programs for 
+windows/mac, if we want them to also provide for linux, we should make a step 
+towards them.
+
+furthermore, any step towards opensource should be encouraged, thus i feel 
+that &quot;free engines&quot; should still be free.
+
+i think a README.install.urpmi should be attached to those and noted that Y is 
+required for it. furthermore Y' should be suggested, even if it's in nonfree 
+repos.
+
+just my &#8364;0.02
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 12:32:12 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 06 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 00:56 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we have a bigger problem to solve.
+</I>
+This is likely correct, i think we have shortage of people in various parts, 
+but perhaps sysadmin (which is arguably the most important team), has not 
+enough active people to follow up all the issues (or they are busy with other 
+teams).
+
+because other teams are counting on sysadmin team and even though it's all on 
+svn, it's not that easy (i think; at least for me) to learn this system and 
+put some patches for sysadmin to follow, perhaps sysadmin team should grow a 
+bit more people.
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Then in practice, that mean having a 2nd/3rd distribution ( because
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a separate 2nd svn branch, and a 3rd one for later ) and so
+</I>&gt;<i> that's a big no for me. Having 2+ branchs is just asking for trouble
+</I>&gt;<i> when they are not in sync ( and since keeping everything in sync
+</I>&gt;<i> properly with svn is a pain if there is a divergence, this will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> done ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Worst, if we do like in mdv and propose 2 way of backporting ( submit
+</I>&gt;<i> from cauldron, submit from a branch ), this will create a mess of having
+</I>&gt;<i> some packages from cauldron, some from the branch, and people having no
+</I>&gt;<i> way from knowing where does a package come from. This also make the
+</I>&gt;<i> system harder to maintain and to follow, and rather impossible to script
+</I>&gt;<i> properly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So that's also to be avoided.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a separate branch where people can write also remove the only
+</I>&gt;<i> incentive I have seen for backports, ie, wider testing of our packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> because they may not really the same as in cauldron.
+</I>
+I think there are more incentives than just that for backports, at least imho.
+
+plus, if the problem is you don't know where it's from, perhaps we should fix 
+that problem instead of having an arguably less flexible solution. also, iirc, 
+when branching svn, afaik it mentions where it's been branched from?
+ 
+&gt;<i> So here is what I propose :
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - have X branchs, but do not let anyone commit on it, besides a system
+</I>&gt;<i> user. When a package is submitted to cauldron, it is also copied to this
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, ie, we make sure current is in sync. The same goes for version
+</I>&gt;<i> N-1 being copied from N once a backported rpm have been submitted to be
+</I>&gt;<i> used by people. Once a distribution is no longer supported, we close the
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, and disable the sync.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - backports are only submitted from the branch, with separate
+</I>&gt;<i> markrelease, tags, whatever. This let us have proper audit of backports,
+</I>&gt;<i> and who did what.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - packagers still need to commit and submit on cauldron before any
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. So we miss no fixes or anything by mistake. We also make sure
+</I>&gt;<i> that cauldron is always the highest version possible, thus permitting at
+</I>&gt;<i> least some form of upgrade. ( either stable to stable, provided
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are used, or stable to cauldron ). And we also ensure that
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are done first on the most recent stable version, for the same
+</I>&gt;<i> reason ( ensure some form of upgrade path, as asked several time by
+</I>&gt;<i> users ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And we can still use %ifdef if a need arise for a different spec between
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution versions. While that make spec less readable, that's more
+</I>&gt;<i> readable than having forked specs 2 or 3 times.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This requires :
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 youri action to copy the package to current backport branch ( can be
+</I>&gt;<i> done based on the markrelease action and the others )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - 1 svn configuration to prevent people from writing directly there ( or
+</I>&gt;<i> just say to not do it, and burn people who do it )
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - youri config to let people submit from backports to backports_testing.
+</I>
+for me this solution would be ok, but iirc tmb requires for kernel a bit more 
+flexibility?
+
+and tbh, having a more dirty spec file is not something i'd wish for...
+
+but, even if this is a nice solution, we still have the problem listed above 
+that we'd get backports since before mageia1 and it's still not here? since 
+it's also not the priority (updates are more important) what chances do we 
+have of actually having backports before mga2?
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Situation:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> turn-off in a menu of X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Person A says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much simpler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than reinstalling X with support for Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Person B says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and maintain it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Who is right?
+</I>&gt;<i> imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine without Y
+</I>&gt;<i> even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y package is fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also &quot;support the
+</I>&gt;<i> Y-module for X&quot; even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed in mageia, or even
+</I>&gt;<i> if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> let's get into specifics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well here there is no nonfree, demo, shareware, license issue. Just Y is 
+yet another media-player. Importing Y is not a case for neiher A nor B.
+There is a question to include or not include a module (as an external 
+package %{name}-module-mediaplayer_Y) for X. X is working perfectly 
+without Y - Y is just adding some extra features. But the module for X 
+is NOT working without Y. Well it's probably not breaking X, there will 
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; turn-off in a menu of X.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Person A says:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much simpler
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; than reinstalling X with support for Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Person B says:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; so it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and maintain it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Who is right?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without Y even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package is fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also &quot;support
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the Y-module for X&quot; even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed in mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or even if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; let's get into specifics:
+</I>&gt;<i> Well here there is no nonfree, demo, shareware, license issue. Just Y is
+</I>&gt;<i> yet another media-player. Importing Y is not a case for neiher A nor B.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a question to include or not include a module (as an external
+</I>&gt;<i> package %{name}-module-mediaplayer_Y) for X. X is working perfectly
+</I>&gt;<i> without Y - Y is just adding some extra features. But the module for X
+</I>&gt;<i> is NOT working without Y. Well it's probably not breaking X, there will
+</I>&gt;<i> be an error message &quot;error loading module-mediaplayer_Y&quot;.
+</I>
+you could find a way to configure it as disabled?
+ or move it to a subdir of sorts with a mention that if they do have Y that 
+they can put this file in the other dir.
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+or... have a subpackage for this module and don't suggest it. plus have a 
+warning in it to say that it requires bla.
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+so my vote is for A)
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+I tested mageia 2 alpha 1 (KDE live CD) for the audio problem (bug
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+Where can I report it?  The wiki pages seem to be down for now.
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+1. When I launched Telepathy account manager I got an error message
+saying that, &quot;Something went terribly wrong and the IM system could
+not be initialized.  It is likely your system is missing Telepathy
+Mission Control package.&quot;  So there is no telepathy mission control
+package in KDE live cd, is there?
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+2. If I turned &quot;Screenshot&quot; KDE desktop effect on, I still got
+problems getting screenshot with ksnapshot.  It is an old problem in
+mageia 1.
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+Please tell me where I can report these problem.  I'll report it again
+to where it should go.
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Situation:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> turn-off in a menu of X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Person A says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y; also
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much simpler
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> than reinstalling X with support for Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Person B says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained; so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and maintain it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Who is right?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without Y even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package is fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also &quot;support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Y-module for X&quot; even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed in mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or even if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> let's get into specifics:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well here there is no nonfree, demo, shareware, license issue. Just Y is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet another media-player. Importing Y is not a case for neiher A nor B.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is a question to include or not include a module (as an external
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package %{name}-module-mediaplayer_Y) for X. X is working perfectly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without Y - Y is just adding some extra features. But the module for X
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is NOT working without Y. Well it's probably not breaking X, there will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be an error message &quot;error loading module-mediaplayer_Y&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> you could find a way to configure it as disabled?
+</I>Yes
+&gt;<i>   or move it to a subdir of sorts with a mention that if they do have Y that
+</I>&gt;<i> they can put this file in the other dir.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or... have a subpackage for this module and don't suggest it. plus have a
+</I>&gt;<i> warning in it to say that it requires bla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so my vote is for A)
+</I>I like the idea with URPMI warning at the install time, this would solve 
+the problem. &quot;If you need Y support for X, we include the module, but 
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A package X may have support for a package Y, by a module as a build
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; in X or stand-alone package. All modules are possible to turn-on and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to turn-off in a menu of X.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And there is a discussion because there is no Y at all in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Person A says:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - include the module, even if there is no Y in Mageia (and maybe never
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; will be included), because an end-user can install Y from alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; source or compile it from sources; and don't add Suggests/Requires for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Y in the package, because it's obvious that this is to support Y;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; also installing Y from alternative sources/self-compilation is much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; simpler than reinstalling X with support for Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Person B says:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - don't include the module, because Y is a dependency for the module
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of X - and we don't ship broken packages that aren't self-contained;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; so it must be excluded from X or the nobody has package Y and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; maintain it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Neither A nor B want to work with Y package.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Who is right?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; imho, if Y is wanted by some people, and X works more of less fine
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; without Y even if it's support is compiled, and sometimes a get-Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; package is fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; imho it's maintainer's preference, if maintainer is fine to also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;support the Y-module for X&quot; even if depends on Y and Y is not allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; in mageia, or even if Y is in nonfree... it's fine by me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; let's get into specifics:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well here there is no nonfree, demo, shareware, license issue. Just Y is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; yet another media-player. Importing Y is not a case for neiher A nor B.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There is a question to include or not include a module (as an external
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; package %{name}-module-mediaplayer_Y) for X. X is working perfectly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; without Y - Y is just adding some extra features. But the module for X
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is NOT working without Y. Well it's probably not breaking X, there will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be an error message &quot;error loading module-mediaplayer_Y&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you could find a way to configure it as disabled?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   or move it to a subdir of sorts with a mention that if they do have Y
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they can put this file in the other dir.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or... have a subpackage for this module and don't suggest it. plus have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; warning in it to say that it requires bla.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so my vote is for A)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the idea with URPMI warning at the install time, this would solve
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem. &quot;If you need Y support for X, we include the module, but
+</I>&gt;<i> obtain Y at your own.&quot;
+</I>
+look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi file 
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+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 13:11, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tv &lt;tv&gt; 12.22.1-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 180273
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - rebuild with new ldetect-lst
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> oops: bogus changelog: &quot;further update Release Notes URL&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe should we push drakconf-12.22.1 as updates in order to have
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed entries in help menu now that have the proper entries in the wiki?
+</I>Yep and iirc there is also some minor fix no ?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;2302
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;ennael
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;2011-12-07 11:35:48 +0100 (Wed, 07 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks aginies)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh yes it does!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's only in mdv they have disabled all ide drivers without thinking of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those where the pata drivers dont work...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> should this be reverted then ?
+</I>
+Indeed.
+What's more mdv's change is bogus as sd_mod is already loaded when needed.
+Actually most of their changes are made for us to laugh...
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi file 
+</I>&gt;<i> which show this text in rpmdrake
+</I>
+Rpmdrake ? are you sure it's not only in urpmi ? (cli)
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+&gt;<i> Hi list,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I tested mageia 2 alpha 1 (KDE live CD) for the audio problem (bug
+</I>&gt;<i> 2437) and at the same time I found another two problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where can I report it?  The wiki pages seem to be down for now.
+</I><A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org">https://bugs.mageia.org</A>
+&gt;<i> 2. If I turned &quot;Screenshot&quot; KDE desktop effect on, I still got
+</I>&gt;<i> problems getting screenshot with ksnapshot.  It is an old problem in
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 1.
+</I>This is upstream bug and you should report it there. Tho' i believe it's already reported.
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi list,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested mageia 2 alpha 1 (KDE live CD) for the audio problem (bug
+</I>&gt;<i> 2437) and at the same time I found another two problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where can I report it?  The wiki pages seem to be down for now.
+</I>
+Which wiki page is down ?
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> is up and there is a link to
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting</A>
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. When I launched Telepathy account manager I got an error message
+</I>&gt;<i> saying that, &quot;Something went terribly wrong and the IM system could
+</I>&gt;<i> not be initialized.  It is likely your system is missing Telepathy
+</I>&gt;<i> Mission Control package.&quot;  So there is no telepathy mission control
+</I>&gt;<i> package in KDE live cd, is there?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. If I turned &quot;Screenshot&quot; KDE desktop effect on, I still got
+</I>&gt;<i> problems getting screenshot with ksnapshot.  It is an old problem in
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please tell me where I can report these problem.  I'll report it again
+</I>&gt;<i> to where it should go.
+</I>I have not check if we have already a bug report for each one but feel free to do them. 
+(or ping/ reopen if there is one)
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Franklin
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+    <B>Franklin Weng</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 21:23 +0800, Franklin Weng a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi list,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tested mageia 2 alpha 1 (KDE live CD) for the audio problem (bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2437) and at the same time I found another two problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where can I report it? &#160;The wiki pages seem to be down for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which wiki page is down ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> is up and there is a link to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I still failed to connect to wiki.mageia.org.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/10 Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 21:23 +0800, Franklin Weng a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi list,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I tested mageia 2 alpha 1 (KDE live CD) for the audio problem (bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2437) and at the same time I found another two problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Where can I report it? &#160;The wiki pages seem to be down for now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which wiki page is down ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> is up and there is a link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I still failed to connect to wiki.mageia.org.
+</I>
+This must be a lokal area problem - I have no problems connecting to
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+My guess is the '1' should be a '2' at the end of the URL
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+Ciao,
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer skrev 10.12.2011 13:32:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 06 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 00:56 +0200, Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here comes the question about backports once again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are now 6+ months into Mageia 1, and we are nowhere closer to opening
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports that we were at Mageia 1 release time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because of that there are 3rdparty repos popping up everywhere...,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something we hoped to avoid atleast partly when starting this project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the backport issue ( ie :
+</I>&gt;<i> - no garantee of keep the distribution upgradable
+</I>
+
+Policy is to always keep Cauldron with atleast higher release,
+so next release will be ok.
+
+I guess when we have 2 releases we must extend the policy to
+state that if you backport to Mageia 1 you also must backport
+to Mageia 2 in order to keep upgrading fully possible.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - no security  )
+</I>
+
+Well, that's the same as with current stable relase,
+maintainer/backporter submits security fixes to backports_testing
+
+QA validates, update gets pushed.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> have also not been fixed, so that's rather unfair to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And at current rate we will probably release Mageia &quot;infinity&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before backports is opened.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It has been delayed because of needed infrastructure changes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something no-one have had time to do so far...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know there is &quot;only some coding missing&quot; and &quot;someone should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do it&quot;, buth truthfully there are only a few that knows the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code used in the buildsystem enough to actually make it happend,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and they are already othervise busy or overloaded...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (this is no rant against them, as all here are using their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    personal free time to help out)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And to be honest I dont see that changing anytime soon...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we have a bigger problem to solve.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep, no argument here....
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> So here is a suggestion to get some value to our endusers:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we add a backports branch on svn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So packages for backports would use:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> svn.mageia.org/packages/backports/1/&lt;package&gt;/{current,pristine,releases}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and allow that to be used for backports.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using a separate branch is also a cleaner way of providing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports, and makes it easy to separate changes needed only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for Cauldron (or backports).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then in practice, that mean having a 2nd/3rd distribution ( because
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a separate 2nd svn branch, and a 3rd one for later ) and so
+</I>&gt;<i> that's a big no for me. Having 2+ branchs is just asking for trouble
+</I>&gt;<i> when they are not in sync ( and since keeping everything in sync
+</I>&gt;<i> properly with svn is a pain if there is a divergence, this will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> done ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Worst, if we do like in mdv and propose 2 way of backporting ( submit
+</I>&gt;<i> from cauldron, submit from a branch ), this will create a mess of having
+</I>&gt;<i> some packages from cauldron, some from the branch, and people having no
+</I>&gt;<i> way from knowing where does a package come from. This also make the
+</I>&gt;<i> system harder to maintain and to follow, and rather impossible to script
+</I>&gt;<i> properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that's also to be avoided.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, branching is needed, regardless if it's done in a whole separate
+branch as I suggested, or in a branch per package when needed.
+
+&gt;<i> Having a separate branch where people can write also remove the only
+</I>&gt;<i> incentive I have seen for backports, ie, wider testing of our packages,
+</I>&gt;<i> because they may not really the same as in cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It cant always be the same in cauldron and backports.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is what I propose :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - have X branchs, but do not let anyone commit on it, besides a system
+</I>&gt;<i> user. When a package is submitted to cauldron, it is also copied to this
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, ie, we make sure current is in sync. The same goes for version
+</I>&gt;<i> N-1 being copied from N once a backported rpm have been submitted to be
+</I>&gt;<i> used by people. Once a distribution is no longer supported, we close the
+</I>&gt;<i> branch, and disable the sync.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you cant commit to the branch, it's useless.
+
+&gt;<i> - backports are only submitted from the branch, with separate
+</I>&gt;<i> markrelease, tags, whatever. This let us have proper audit of backports,
+</I>&gt;<i> and who did what.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+the same auditing is available in any branch or cauldron.
+
+&gt;<i> - packagers still need to commit and submit on cauldron before any
+</I>&gt;<i> backports. So we miss no fixes or anything by mistake. We also make sure
+</I>&gt;<i> that cauldron is always the highest version possible, thus permitting at
+</I>&gt;<i> least some form of upgrade. ( either stable to stable, provided
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are used, or stable to cauldron ). And we also ensure that
+</I>&gt;<i> backports are done first on the most recent stable version, for the same
+</I>&gt;<i> reason ( ensure some form of upgrade path, as asked several time by
+</I>&gt;<i> users ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry, buth this wont work in reality...
+
+Consider this:
+
+version X in Mageia 1
+version X+1 in Cauldron
+
+version X+1 gets backported.
+
+version X+2 uploaded in Cauldron
+version X+2 cant be backported (depends on updated libs/packages in 
+Cauldron, and we dont backport libs that can break working setups)
+
+version X+1 in backports need to be fixed (security/maintenance fix)
+(here your logic breaks down, there is no place to fix it)
+
+
+And since we aim for quality backports, the maintainer may want to
+stay with version X+1 in backports even if X+2 could be backported
+if maintainer think X+2 isn't a good candidate for some reason.
+
+--
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+    <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B> 
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+<PRE>Hello!
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+Please make it clear, at least for newcomers, how to package translated 
+man pages in Mageia. Our policies and guidelines aren't clear.
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Handling_Locale_Files">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Handling_Locale_Files</A> 
+suggested, before the latest changes, with  &quot;If the package includes 
+translations, add  BuildRequires: gettext If you don't, your package 
+could fail to generate translation files in the buildroot.&quot; that this 
+section is also about man pages. Translated man pages are 
+_translations_, aren't they?
+
+In the &quot;Packaging localisation policy&quot; it's more clear. But still 
+expressions like &quot;some cases&quot; aren't clear. I wouldn't say that *all* 
+man pages are counted as &quot;some [special] case&quot;. Aren't I right?
+
+Is it possible to handle multiple man pages in different languages with 
+some macro? At times it's bit complicated, for example for amule it's 
+done like this:
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+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/alc.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/amule.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/amulegui.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/cas.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/ed2k.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/wxcas.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/xas.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/alcc.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/amulecmd.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/amuled.1*
+%lang(de) %{_mandir}/de/man1/amuleweb.1*
+%lang(es) %{_mandir}/es/man1/amuleweb.1*
+%lang(fr) %{_mandir}/fr/man1/amuleweb.1*
+%lang(hu) %{_mandir}/hu/man1/amuleweb.1*
+%lang(it) %{_mandir}/it/man1/amuleweb.1*
+%lang(ru) %{_mandir}/ru/man1/amuleweb.1*
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+PS. The policy suggest to follow numlock.spec and in the file we read in 
+the 1st like as follows &quot;# !!!!!!!! WARNING THIS HAS TO BE EDITED IN THE 
+SVN !!!!!!!!!!!&quot; - is this a provocation? The file was untouched for 10 
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+<PRE>Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Is it possible to handle multiple man pages in different languages
+</I>&gt;<i> with some macro?
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+%find_lang --with-man ?
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+&gt;<i> On 5 December 2011 12:07, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 0.97.2-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 176878
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection (#1353)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you forgot some of the changes (strings not tagged as translatable)
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+&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to handle multiple man pages in different languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with some macro?
+</I>&gt;<i> %find_lang --with-man ?
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+</I>Ah.. so please make it clear for everybody in our policies and guidelines.
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+<PRE>On 10 December 2011 18:29,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 2359 Author rda Date 2011-12-10 18:29:07 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> coding style update (perl_checker)
+</I>
+uh?&#160;Tools.pm doesn't currently pass perl_checker
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+&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/Tools.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/t/003_is_hybrid.t
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/010_check_autorun.t
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/012_check_ids.t
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/013_check_rpms.t
+</I>&gt;<i> isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/016_check_pubkey.t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: isocheck/trunk/Tools.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- isocheck/trunk/Tools.pm	2011-12-10 17:27:16 UTC (rev 2358)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ isocheck/trunk/Tools.pm	2011-12-10 17:29:07 UTC (rev 2359)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -33,18 +33,18 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  sub parse_mageia_iso_name {
+</I>&gt;<i>      my ($name) = @_;
+</I>&gt;<i> -    my %info = ();
+</I>&gt;<i> +    my %info;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -    if ($name =~
+</I>&gt;<i> m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)(-(alpha|beta|RC)(\d*))?(-(.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(-(CD|DVD|BD))?(-(build\_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;full&quot;}    = $name;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;name&quot;}    = $1  if defined $1;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;version&quot;} = $2  if defined $2;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;release&quot;} = &quot;$4$5&quot; if defined $4;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;variant&quot;} = $7  if defined $7;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;arch&quot;}    = $8  if defined $8;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;medium&quot;}  = $10 if defined $10;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;build&quot;}   = $12 if defined $12;
+</I>&gt;<i> -        $info{&quot;ext&quot;}     = $13 if defined $13;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    if ($name =~
+</I>&gt;<i> m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)(-(alpha|beta|RC)(\d*))?(-(.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(-(CD|DVD|BD))?(-(build_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{full}    = $name;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{name}    = $1  if defined $1;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{version} = $2  if defined $2;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{release} = &quot;$4$5&quot; if defined $4;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{variant} = $7  if defined $7;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{arch}    = $8  if defined $8;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{medium}  = $10 if defined $10;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{build}   = $12 if defined $12;
+</I>&gt;<i> +        $info{ext}     = $13 if defined $13;
+</I>
+You don't need all those tests since you already checked if the regexp
+matched or not.
+You only have to check for ()? groups.
+What's more your checks are inconsistant anyway (eg you don't check for $5)
+
+
+just do sg like this:
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+sub parse_mageia_iso_name {
+    my ($name) = @_;
+    my %info;
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+    if ((@info{qw(name version release variant arch medium build
+ext)}) = $name =~
+	m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)-((?:alpha|beta|RC)\d*)?(-(?:.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(?:-(CD|DVD|BD))?(?:-(build_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+{
+        $info{full} = $name;
+    }
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+    return %info;
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+
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: isocheck/trunk/t/003_is_hybrid.t
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- isocheck/trunk/t/003_is_hybrid.t	2011-12-10 17:27:16 UTC (rev 2358)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ isocheck/trunk/t/003_is_hybrid.t	2011-12-10 17:29:07 UTC (rev 2359)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  my ($image_path) = @ARGV;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ok (is_hybrid($image_path, 0), &quot;Is hybrid&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +ok is_hybrid($image_path, 0), &quot;Is hybrid&quot;;
+</I>
+please keep (), it's clearer. just remove the space between &quot;ok&quot; and &quot;(&quot;
+
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/016_check_pubkey.t
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/016_check_pubkey.t	2011-12-10 17:27:16 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2358)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ isocheck/trunk/t_install_iso/016_check_pubkey.t	2011-12-10 17:29:07 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2359)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -39,17 +39,17 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  system &quot;ls /media/iso_check/i586/media/ &gt; temp_media_on_iso.log&quot; if -r
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/media/iso_check/i586/media/&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>  system &quot;ls /media/iso_check/x86_64/media/ &gt;&gt; temp_media_on_iso.log&quot; if -r
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/media/iso_check/x86_64/media/&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -ok (-r &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;, &quot;Got a log for media contents&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +ok -r &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;, &quot;Got a log for media contents&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  open(my $file, &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;) if -r &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  while ($media = &lt;$file&gt;) {
+</I>
+just reuse cat_() from MDK::Common (simpler, easier to read)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2362 Author tmb Date 2011-12-10 18:54:21 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> timezone must be on livecds (#3497)
+</I>
+Why is it needed? Isn't timezone already on live CDs ? see:
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+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 18:54,&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2362 Author tmb Date 2011-12-10 18:54:21 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> timezone must be on livecds (#3497)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Why is it needed? Isn't timezone already on live CDs ? see:
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+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -e timezone
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Failed dependencies:
+</I>&gt;<i>          timezone is needed by (installed) basesystem-minimal-1:2-3.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ???
+</I>
+Hmmm, seems to be a problem on livecd build... basesystem-minimal is not 
+on Gnome livecd either :/
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+Time to check the buildlogs.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> timezone must be on livecds (#3497)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why is it needed? Isn't timezone already on live CDs ? see:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -e timezone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> error: Failed dependencies:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; timezone is needed by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> basesystem-minimal-1:2-3.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmm, seems to be a problem on livecd build... basesystem-minimal is not on
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome livecd either :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Time to check the buildlogs.
+</I>
+This is the root issue that has to be fixed instead of workarounding it since we
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:14:38, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A free-for-all pool is just a mess.
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+</I>&gt;<i> ready to devote some time to orphan packages would make things worse. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> not because it's not the ideal solution that it's bad, is it?
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+Well, I understand misc : if anyone can do, often no one does.
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+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 19:13, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> timezone must be on livecds (#3497)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Why is it needed? Isn't timezone already on live CDs ? see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -e timezone
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> error: Failed dependencies:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          timezone is needed by (installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> basesystem-minimal-1:2-3.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ???
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmmm, seems to be a problem on livecd build... basesystem-minimal is not on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gnome livecd either :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Time to check the buildlogs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the root issue that has to be fixed instead of workarounding it since we
+</I>&gt;<i> might get other similar issues :-)
+</I>
+
+I guess the correct package to force is basesystem. its already on the 
+kde livecds...
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 8 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:51:46, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/8 Samuel Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> His/her work would be the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - identifiy (with bugsquad's help) the orphan packages that have lots of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unresolved bugs or are severely outdated,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - do the same for packages that have a maintainer but are in a similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> situation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - try to find packagers or apprentices to take care of them. Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> necessarily make them become maintainer, but at least solve users bugs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - try to find maintainers for orphan packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I forgot about this idea, and support it without hesitation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Maybe a better idea, would to have &quot;[orphan alert]&quot; (or something 
+similar) in the subject of postes to the mageia-dev list.  That way no 
+need to subscribe to another mailing list, and those particularly 
+interested in orphaned packages could filter their messages to put these 
+in a separate folder.
+And of course, everyone interested in packaging/development would see 
+these posts.
+
+Just an idea :)
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+Andr&#233;
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 18:29, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coding style update (perl_checker)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> uh?&#160;Tools.pm doesn't currently pass perl_checker
+</I>
+Right; but I couldn't see why that was a syntax error at that point
+(and the script did work). Anyway, now it looks much better (but for
+used modules or &quot;not recognised yet&quot;).
+
+&gt;<i> just do sg like this:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;if ((@info{qw(name version release variant arch medium build
+</I>&gt;<i> ext)}) = $name =~
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)-((?:alpha|beta|RC)\d*)?(-(?:.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(?:-(CD|DVD|BD))?(?:-(build_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+</I>&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;$info{full} = $name;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;}
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+Looks much more compact, thanks. Added a &quot;else { %info = (); }&quot; to
+satisfy the expected behaviour (empty array returned if no match).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;open(my $file, &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;) if -r &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;while ($media = &lt;$file&gt;) {
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just reuse cat_() from MDK::Common (simpler, easier to read)
+</I>
+Thanks!
+
+By the way, is there a &quot;best&quot; Web-based doc for MDK Perl libraries?
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 14:48 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>[...]
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+&gt;&gt;<i> look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which show this text in rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Rpmdrake ? are you sure it's not only in urpmi ? (cli
+</I>
+There are warnings like that with rpmdrake.
+(Not used very much, but seen from time to time.)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> just do sg like this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;if ((@info{qw(name version release variant arch medium build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ext)}) = $name =~
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)-((?:alpha|beta|RC)\d*)?(-(?:.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(?:-(CD|DVD|BD))?(?:-(build_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;$info{full} = $name;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks much more compact, thanks. Added a &quot;else { %info = (); }&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy the expected behaviour (empty array returned if no match).
+</I>
+This is wrong.
+Once declared (aka &quot;my %info&quot;), %info is initialized and is equal to &quot;()&quot;.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;open(my $file, &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;) if -r &quot;temp_media_on_iso.log&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;while ($media = &lt;$file&gt;) {
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just reuse cat_() from MDK::Common (simpler, easier to read)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, is there a &quot;best&quot; Web-based doc for MDK Perl libraries?
+</I>&gt;<i> (could find one, but not at once, and I didn't count many). Or shall
+</I>&gt;<i> we think about it?
+</I>
+perldoc MDK::Common
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+I've locally a branch adding doc for drakx but it's not finished.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/10 Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 21:23 +0800, Franklin Weng a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> is up and there is a link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting</A>
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+&gt;<i> I still failed to connect to wiki.mageia.org.
+</I>
+Any chance you're using a dsn server with dnssec enabled?
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+I had problems when using my own name server with a combination
+of ad blocking, and dnssec turned on.  At first I thought it was
+one of the host names I was blocking, but it turned out that
+turning off dnssec fixed the problem for me.
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 20:37, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 20:25, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;if ((@info{qw(name version release variant arch medium build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ext)}) = $name =~
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;m/^(Mageia)-(\d+)-((?:alpha|beta|RC)\d*)?(-(?:.*))?-(i586|x86_64|dual)?(?:-(CD|DVD|BD))?(?:-(build_\w+))?\.(.*)$/)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> {
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;$info{full} = $name;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks much more compact, thanks. Added a &quot;else { %info = (); }&quot; to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> satisfy the expected behaviour (empty array returned if no match).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> Once declared (aka &quot;my %info&quot;), %info is initialized and is equal to &quot;()&quot;.
+</I>
+Yes, but otherwise, testing the code you provided, even if the regexp
+test fails, returned %info is still populated with keys, pointing to
+undef values.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, is there a &quot;best&quot; Web-based doc for MDK Perl libraries?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (could find one, but not at once, and I didn't count many). Or shall
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we think about it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perldoc MDK::Common
+</I>
+Thanks, this is cool for a local access. Looking for a way to export
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+    <B>Dick Gevers</B> 
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+[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?:
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+&gt;<i>On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 10:01:38 -0500, Franklin Weng
+</I>&gt;<i>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/10 Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 21:23 +0800, Franklin Weng a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1</A> is up and there is a link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha1#Bug_reporting</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still failed to connect to wiki.mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Any chance you're using a dsn server with dnssec enabled?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I had problems when using my own name server with a combination
+</I>&gt;<i>of ad blocking, and dnssec turned on.  At first I thought it was
+</I>&gt;<i>one of the host names I was blocking, but it turned out that
+</I>&gt;<i>turning off dnssec fixed the problem for me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Haven't had time to trace it down and report the problem yet.
+</I>
+Once upon a time I had the same prob with some sites and changed
+my /etc/sysctl.conf, adding:
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+quote
+# for more agressive network throughput as per
+# <A HREF="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=62">http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=62</A> dvg early 2008
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+net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies = 1
+net.core.rmem_max = 16777216
+net.core.wmem_max = 16777216
+net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87380 16777216
+net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096 65536 16777216
+unquote
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+HTH
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> As a FPS game lover, I do play a lot of ioquake3's derived games and
+</I>&gt;<i> want to improve the support of them in Mageia. Fedora has an ioquake3
+</I>&gt;<i> package which support several Quake III derived games with proprietary
+</I>&gt;<i> license data. This are the games supported by this package:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Official Quake III demo
+</I>&gt;<i> - Urban Terror
+</I>&gt;<i> - World Of Padman
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The ioquake3 package creates a sub package for ioquake3 and each of
+</I>&gt;<i> the supported games, and each of this packages include a script to
+</I>&gt;<i> auto-download the proprietary license game data at first run of the
+</I>&gt;<i> game using the autodownloader program. When any of the games listed
+</I>&gt;<i> above is run, a window will popup displaying the game license and upon
+</I>&gt;<i> agreeing on it, the script will download the game data from a
+</I>&gt;<i> predefined list of mirrors and install it in the proper place.
+</I>
+Why not just package the proprietary data in non-free?
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+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 18:54,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2362 Author tmb Date 2011-12-10 18:54:21 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> timezone must be on livecds (#3497)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is it needed? Isn't timezone already on live CDs ? see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -e timezone
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Failed dependencies:
+</I>&gt;<i>         timezone is needed by (installed) basesystem-minimal-1:2-3.mga2.x86_64
+</I>
+Right, this did not fix any issue :)
+
+There was an issue about basesystem (and lots of packages) being
+unselected on Gnome live CDs, we've fixed this properly later in
+live-config SVN.
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+-- 
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>W dniu 10.12.2011 17:33, Olivier Blin pisze:
+&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to handle multiple man pages in different languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with some macro?
+</I>&gt;<i> %find_lang --with-man ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think this is broken in Mageia. I've attached a patch to do it my-way 
+:<i>) and it works after some tests..
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3697">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3697</A>
+
+Quote:
+[..]
+I've encountered wrong working of find-lang with --with-man parameter. 
+It can
+work with --all-name or without it.
+
+I'm working with my local copy of scrotwm.spec and:
+
+With --all-name it produces (debug mode on):
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(es) /usr/share/man/es
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(it) /usr/share/man/it
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(pt) /usr/share/man/pt
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(ru) /usr/share/man/ru
+
+And this is fine! It then catches automatically every file in these
+directories.
+
+And without --all-name:
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(es) /usr/share/man/es
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(es) /usr/share/man/es/man1
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(es) /usr/share/man/es/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(it) /usr/share/man/it
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(it) /usr/share/man/it/man1
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(it) /usr/share/man/it/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(pt) /usr/share/man/pt
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(pt) /usr/share/man/pt/man1
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(pt) /usr/share/man/pt/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(ru) /usr/share/man/ru
+DEBUG: OUT: %dir %lang(ru) /usr/share/man/ru/man1
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(ru) /usr/share/man/ru/man1/scrotwm.*
+
+And this result is wrong! And there are also warnings during the build 
+process
+(saying that some files are listed multiple times in %file).
+
+IMO the right result is only:
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(es) /usr/share/man/es/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(it) /usr/share/man/it/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(pt) /usr/share/man/pt/man1/scrotwm.*
+DEBUG: OUT: %lang(ru) /usr/share/man/ru/man1/scrotwm.*
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+This is right because the script catches ONLY a man page for the specific
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Why not just package the proprietary data in non-free?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Because I'm not sure if all games licenses allow redistribution, I'm
+basing my decisions on Fedora gaming policy[1] and why they choose to
+not include a game. I'm not sure if they don't have a non-free media
+and if that's the reason to use the autodownload feature. Also
+autodownloading will save a lot of space in mirrors,as most FPS game
+data is around ~700MB per game (UrT 1GB, WoP 800MB, SG 350MB,
+Sauerbraten 500MB etc) so we are talking of close to 3GB on just the
+games I'm packaging, but if it is ok to include them on non-free, *if*
+game data license allows redistribution, then I agree that the
+non-free media would be a better solution than autodownloading the
+game data.
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games#List_of_games_we_will_NOT_package">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games#List_of_games_we_will_NOT_package</A>
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+<PRE>sabato 10 dicembre 2011 alle 17:09, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Sorry, buth this wont work in reality...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Consider this:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> version X in Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> version X+1 in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> version X+1 gets backported.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> version X+2 uploaded in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> version X+2 cant be backported (depends on updated libs/packages in 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron, and we dont backport libs that can break working setups)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> version X+1 in backports need to be fixed (security/maintenance fix)
+</I>&gt;<i> (here your logic breaks down, there is no place to fix it)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And since we aim for quality backports, the maintainer may want to
+</I>&gt;<i> stay with version X+1 in backports even if X+2 could be backported
+</I>&gt;<i> if maintainer think X+2 isn't a good candidate for some reason.
+</I>
+So, couldn't we consider backports in the same way as updates?
+The only difference is that they go into another branch, and they
+need to have a higher version than in updates and lower than cauldron.
+
+Tests and validations follow the same rules, if a backport is not
+validated won't be pushed. 
+Is that more work for QA? unfortunately yes, but i do hope tests
+and validations can be done by more users interested in that
+update/backport.
+
+Why using backports instead of updates then? because for some reasons
+we -or maintainers- don't want to push as update a new version.
+I'm not really in favour of a strict release update, we have already
+pacakges not doing that (leaf ones, or those that are a pain to patch like
+ff for instance,...).
+In such a way backports is not going to be seen as a potential breakage of
+the system, but as a part of distro life.
+
+A problem i can see though is if a maintainer decides that a version
+that has been backported can become an update, even if it can be
+managed by working on release version, that update is svn and HD room effect...
+
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, is there a &quot;best&quot; Web-based doc for MDK Perl libraries?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (could find one, but not at once, and I didn't count many). Or shall
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we think about it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perldoc MDK::Common
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, this is cool for a local access. Looking for a way to export
+</I>&gt;<i> this into HTML.
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 17:33, Olivier Blin pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is it possible to handle multiple man pages in different languages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; with some macro?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %find_lang --with-man ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is broken in Mageia. I've attached a patch to do it my-way 
+</I>&gt;<i> :) and it works after some tests..
+</I>Don't know if it's the same, but there is also a thread in cooker:
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+&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> add usb3 host controller driver
+</I>
+wouldn't it be better not having to sync with list_modules by simply requesting
+a couple categories, at least for host controllers
+(list_modules::category2modules())
+But even for driving usb storage devices, you lack uas and all usb
+storage helper
+modules (ums*)
+eg: so I would suggest bus/usb, disk/usb &amp; disk/raw
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+&gt;<i> Modified: images-config/draklive/trunk/config/live.cfg
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- images-config/draklive/trunk/config/live.cfg	2011-12-10 21:10:57 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2365)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ images-config/draklive/trunk/config/live.cfg	2011-12-10 21:30:21 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2366)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -232,7 +232,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>              if_($live-&gt;{settings}{product} =~ /LiveCD/i,
+</I>&gt;<i>                  source =&gt; build_one_label($live),
+</I>&gt;<i>                  pre =&gt; [ 'for i in seq 1 5; do showlabels --removable |
+</I>&gt;<i> grep '.build_one_label($live).'; if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then break; fi; sleep 1;
+</I>&gt;<i> done' ],
+</I>&gt;<i> -                extra_modules =&gt; [ qw(vfat sd_mod usb_storage uhci_hcd
+</I>&gt;<i> ohci_hcd ehci_hcd) ],
+</I>&gt;<i> +                extra_modules =&gt; [ qw(vfat sd_mod usb_storage uhci_hcd
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2370 Author blino Date 2011-12-10 23:38:01 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.libconf.net/">http://www.libconf.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Configuration file abstraction layer
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Libconf is a wrapper to the main configuration files of the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's mainly a generic parser plus many templates.
+</I>
+URL seems wrong
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+&gt;<i> ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 0.42.10-3.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 42115
+</I>&gt;<i> - add patch to fix build
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ jquelin &lt;jquelin&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- mageia rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- rebuild
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- mageia rebuild
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+during a mageia installation in a friend's laptop, i discovered that his wifi 
+connection failed continuosly. so i tried also with my system and happens 
+there too, is it a known issue of this kind of drivers (iwl)? i'm sure wifi 
+modem is ok because if i connect it with the mobile i have no problem. I filled 
+a bug report about my system here:
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+- <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3704">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3704</A>
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+can you take a look at it? thanks
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+&gt;<i> - <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3704">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3704</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> can you take a look at it? thanks
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 10 December 2011 23:38,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2370 Author blino Date 2011-12-10 23:38:01 +0100 (Sat, 10 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then why was it missing from some live CDs (eg: GNOME one)
+</I>
+(from #mageia-sysadm)
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+23:32 &lt; blino&gt; short story: it's because of rhythmbox
+23:32 &lt; blino&gt; in ddebug.log, we have:
+23:32 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: requiring gstreamer0.10-flac[&gt;= 
+0.10.0],gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly,libbrasero-media3.so.1,libdmapsharing-3.0.so.2,libgpod.so.4,libmtp.so.9,libmusicbrainz3.so.6,librhythmbox-core.so
+.4,typelib(RB),typelib(WebKit) for
+rhythmbox-2.90.1-0.20111117.2.mga2.i586
+23:33 &lt; blino&gt; and a few lines below:
+23:33 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: no packages match gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (it
+is either in skip.list or already rejected)
+23:33 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: unselecting
+rhythmbox-2.90.1-0.20111117.2.mga2.i586
+23:33 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: unselecting
+librhythmbox-gir3.0-2.90.1-0.20111117.2.mga2.i586
+23:33 &lt; blino&gt; and then the same &quot;unselecting&quot; lines with almost every
+packages, including basesystem
+23:34 &lt; blino&gt;
+/var/lib/draklive/chroot/Mageia-2-alpha2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD-201112100330/root/drakx/ddebug.log
+
+I've remove gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg from the
+draklive skip list, since they are now required (and not only suggested)
+by some packages.
+
+I should also fix draklive to abort if basesystem-minimal failed to be
+installed (not basesystem, since draklive allows to build chroot
+tarballs without kernels)
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not just package the proprietary data in non-free?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because I'm not sure if all games licenses allow redistribution, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> basing my decisions on Fedora gaming policy[1] and why they choose to
+</I>&gt;<i> not include a game. I'm not sure if they don't have a non-free media
+</I>&gt;<i> and if that's the reason to use the autodownload feature. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> autodownloading will save a lot of space in mirrors,as most FPS game
+</I>&gt;<i> data is around ~700MB per game (UrT 1GB, WoP 800MB, SG 350MB,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sauerbraten 500MB etc) so we are talking of close to 3GB on just the
+</I>&gt;<i> games I'm packaging, but if it is ok to include them on non-free, *if*
+</I>&gt;<i> game data license allows redistribution, then I agree that the
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free media would be a better solution than autodownloading the
+</I>&gt;<i> game data.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games#List_of_games_we_will_NOT_package">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games#List_of_games_we_will_NOT_package</A>
+</I>
+Well, we could package the ones that allow redistribution (I guess
+openarena is one of them). This is needed if one wants to make a live
+DVD with games, or an install CD/DVD set with game packages that can be
+installed without a network connection.
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+&gt;<i> On 11 December 2011 03:58, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://www.libconf.net/">http://www.libconf.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Configuration file abstraction layer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Libconf is a wrapper to the main configuration files of the system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's mainly a generic parser plus many templates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> URL seems wrong
+</I>
+Looks like dams did not renew the domain :)
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+&gt;<i> Charles A Edwards skrev 8.12.2011 01:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've noticed on the latest tmb kernels (those after 3.0.8-1) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> init=systemd is now being auto added to the lilo append.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thankfully that did not cause a boot issue on this system for I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still using sysvinit here and Not systemd-sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Should it now be auto added with kernels on all systems???
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK it should only happend if you had it on the command line for the
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel you was running when you installed next kernel.
+</I>
+Well, init=/bin/systemd is forced by drakxtools on each kernel install,
+if /bin/systemd exists (which means always, since systemd is required by
+basesystem). See /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
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+This is pretty bad, we should not do it if we still want to keep
+sysvinit compatibility in Mageia 2.
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 14:48 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file which show this text in rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Rpmdrake ? are you sure it's not only in urpmi ? (cli)
+</I>
+well, i operated on the assumption that both show these... it it's not like 
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+&gt;<i> sabato 10 dicembre 2011 alle 17:09, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry, buth this wont work in reality...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Consider this:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X in Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X+1 in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X+1 gets backported.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X+2 uploaded in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X+2 cant be backported (depends on updated libs/packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron, and we dont backport libs that can break working setups)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version X+1 in backports need to be fixed (security/maintenance fix)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (here your logic breaks down, there is no place to fix it)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And since we aim for quality backports, the maintainer may want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stay with version X+1 in backports even if X+2 could be backported
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if maintainer think X+2 isn't a good candidate for some reason.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So, couldn't we consider backports in the same way as updates?
+</I>&gt;<i> The only difference is that they go into another branch, and they
+</I>&gt;<i> need to have a higher version than in updates and lower than cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Tests and validations follow the same rules, if a backport is not
+</I>&gt;<i> validated won't be pushed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that more work for QA? unfortunately yes, but i do hope tests
+</I>&gt;<i> and validations can be done by more users interested in that
+</I>&gt;<i> update/backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Why using backports instead of updates then? because for some reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> we -or maintainers- don't want to push as update a new version.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not really in favour of a strict release update, we have already
+</I>&gt;<i> pacakges not doing that (leaf ones, or those that are a pain to patch like
+</I>&gt;<i> ff for instance,...).
+</I>&gt;<i> In such a way backports is not going to be seen as a potential breakage of
+</I>&gt;<i> the system, but as a part of distro life.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A problem i can see though is if a maintainer decides that a version
+</I>&gt;<i> that has been backported can become an update, even if it can be
+</I>&gt;<i> managed by working on release version, that update is svn and HD room
+</I>&gt;<i> effect...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>
+you can have new version as updates.
+
+backporting is the addition of new features and thus the possibility of new 
+bugs, even with QA, you can't completely get the same level of stability from 
+updates, as you get from backports...
+
+but that's fine. it doesn't need to be, it's not enabled by default, it'd be 
+nice if those work well.
+
+what we really want is for backports to be suggested in rpmdrake on a case by 
+case basis.
+
+since fixing bugs is more important that adding new features and some people do 
+updates, but don't want any risk, it's completely valid that they are 
+separate.
+
+i just vote that we make a svn backports branch, (NOT a separate repos, it'd 
+be nice if we can just branch it, which doesn't use any extra disk space), for 
+some packages it means we can add a patch on backports to make it work for 
+mga1 specifically and still merge patches from cauldron into backports if we 
+want (or wherever we branch from)
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+we should however keep matches close at a hand, in case people do weird 
+things, some automated checks could be done and possibly mailed somewhere to 
+show that suspicious activity is going on... if it's tmb, we know we can 
+ignore it then.
+
+i think this is by far the most flexible solution, and we should try to keep 
+our level of maintainers high, but informing them of where it can go wrong, 
+what they should look for...
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 15:13:19 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 14:48 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file which show this text in rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Rpmdrake ? are you sure it's not only in urpmi ? (cli)
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i operated on the assumption that both show these... it it's not like 
+</I>&gt;<i> that, then i need to rethink some actions i did...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Generally it will be shown by both
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake</A>
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 11 december 2011 11:41:02 schreef Angelo Naselli:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sabato 10 dicembre 2011 alle 17:09, Thomas Backlund ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, buth this wont work in reality...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Consider this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X in Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X+1 in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X+1 gets backported.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X+2 uploaded in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X+2 cant be backported (depends on updated libs/packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron, and we dont backport libs that can break working setups)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version X+1 in backports need to be fixed (security/maintenance fix)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (here your logic breaks down, there is no place to fix it)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And since we aim for quality backports, the maintainer may want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stay with version X+1 in backports even if X+2 could be backported
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if maintainer think X+2 isn't a good candidate for some reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, couldn't we consider backports in the same way as updates?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The only difference is that they go into another branch, and they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to have a higher version than in updates and lower than cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tests and validations follow the same rules, if a backport is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> validated won't be pushed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is that more work for QA? unfortunately yes, but i do hope tests
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and validations can be done by more users interested in that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update/backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why using backports instead of updates then? because for some reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we -or maintainers- don't want to push as update a new version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not really in favour of a strict release update, we have already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pacakges not doing that (leaf ones, or those that are a pain to patch like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ff for instance,...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In such a way backports is not going to be seen as a potential breakage of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the system, but as a part of distro life.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A problem i can see though is if a maintainer decides that a version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that has been backported can become an update, even if it can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> managed by working on release version, that update is svn and HD room
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> effect...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i> you can have new version as updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> backporting is the addition of new features and thus the possibility of new 
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs, even with QA, you can't completely get the same level of stability from 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates, as you get from backports...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but that's fine. it doesn't need to be, it's not enabled by default, it'd be 
+</I>&gt;<i> nice if those work well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what we really want is for backports to be suggested in rpmdrake on a case by 
+</I>&gt;<i> case basis.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> since fixing bugs is more important that adding new features and some people do 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates, but don't want any risk, it's completely valid that they are 
+</I>&gt;<i> separate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i just vote that we make a svn backports branch, (NOT a separate repos, it'd 
+</I>&gt;<i> be nice if we can just branch it, which doesn't use any extra disk space), for 
+</I>&gt;<i> some packages it means we can add a patch on backports to make it work for 
+</I>&gt;<i> mga1 specifically and still merge patches from cauldron into backports if we 
+</I>&gt;<i> want (or wherever we branch from)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> we should however keep matches close at a hand, in case people do weird 
+</I>&gt;<i> things, some automated checks could be done and possibly mailed somewhere to 
+</I>&gt;<i> show that suspicious activity is going on... if it's tmb, we know we can 
+</I>&gt;<i> ignore it then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i think this is by far the most flexible solution, and we should try to keep 
+</I>&gt;<i> our level of maintainers high, but informing them of where it can go wrong, 
+</I>&gt;<i> what they should look for...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just my 0.02&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Whatever the decision is, maybe we could tie this to some conditions:
+Only allow backports if there are near-zero security/critical bugs for the
+stable release or if there are no open bugs for the package in question?
+Just some random crazy idea ...
+
+IMHO we should focus on security and bugfixes for the stable release,
+and there are currently too many security bugs open, some for a
+really long time, where nothing is happening for months, yet we still
+talk and concern about opening backports.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2376 Author rda Date 2011-12-11 16:52:44 +0100 (Sun, 11 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fix medium variant test, check spent time testing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -if ($info{medium} eq &quot;DVD&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;<i> +if ($info{variant} =~ m/^LiveCD/) {
+</I>
+you don't need to use 'm' here since you didn't alter
+the default separator (&quot;/&quot;)
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+&gt;<i> +    # TODO: LiveCD specific tests
+</I>&gt;<i> +} else {
+</I>&gt;<i>      $harness-&gt;runtests(glob_('t_install_iso/*.t'));
+</I>&gt;<i> -} elsif ($info{medium} eq &quot;CD&quot;) {
+</I>&gt;<i> -    # LiveCD specific
+</I>&gt;<i> -    # CD specific
+</I>&gt;<i>  }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  # Umounting the ISO
+</I>&gt;<i>  print &quot;# Umounting ISO\n&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> -# FIXME this fails sometimes; no idea why. Force umount?
+</I>&gt;<i> +# FIXME this fails sometimes (with LiveCDs); no idea why. Force umount?
+</I>&gt;<i>  system 'umount /media/iso_check';
+</I>
+then you should check with &quot;lsof /media/iso_check&quot; which
+process are busying this mount point and report them back
+Running &quot;umount -l  /media/iso_check&quot; will forcly umount
+
+&gt;<i>  system 'rm -r /media/iso_check';
+</I>
+rm -r a directory? =&gt; rmdir
+
+&gt;<i>  print &quot;... ok\n&quot;;
+</I>
+you seems to print this whatever is the actual result of the tests.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; just my 0.02&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever the decision is, maybe we could tie this to some conditions:
+</I>&gt;<i> Only allow backports if there are near-zero security/critical bugs for the
+</I>&gt;<i> stable release or if there are no open bugs for the package in question?
+</I>&gt;<i> Just some random crazy idea ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO we should focus on security and bugfixes for the stable release,
+</I>&gt;<i> and there are currently too many security bugs open, some for a
+</I>&gt;<i> really long time, where nothing is happening for months, yet we still
+</I>&gt;<i> talk and concern about opening backports.
+</I>
+even thought that is true, the reason there is so much talk and bikeshedding 
+on this, is because it's still not there (and also users ask for it (they also 
+ask for updates, but those are other users :-) ))
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+if it had been there, there would not have been such time loss with it and 
+several discussions.
+
+personally, i think the best thing is to have a quick resolv...
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+We don't have the new workflow yet, and very few assignees show we 
+assigned to them correctly by setting the status of the bug to ASSIGNED.
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+(The few who do: thanks a lot :D )
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+If you need the ASSIGNED status to control your work flow, could you 
+please be so kind as to put
+OK
+on the whiteboard as soon as you've seen we didn't make a mistake by 
+assigning to you?
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+Of course, if you don't need that status to control your work flow, then 
+please set it to ASSIGNED as soon as you verified the assignment and 
+agree :)
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+change in r140912.
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+2011/12/11 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; short story: it's because of rhythmbox
+</I>&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; in ddebug.log, we have:
+</I>&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: requiring gstreamer0.10-flac[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;<i> 0.10.0],gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly,libbrasero-media3.so.1,libdmapsharing-3.0.so.2,libgpod.so.4,libmtp.so.9,libmusicbrainz3.so.6,librhythmbox-core.so
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Or, we could drop requires from rhythmbox? cc wally, who did this
+</I>&gt;<i> change in r140912.
+</I>
+Well, it's not the only package:
+$ urpmf --requires :gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+fmj:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+guayadeque:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+arista:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+exaile:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+pitivi:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+radiotray:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+gmusicbrowser:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+rygel:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
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+gnash:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+banshee:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+pitivi:gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/11 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; short story: it's because of rhythmbox
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; in ddebug.log, we have:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 23:32 &lt; blino&gt; * XXX: requiring gstreamer0.10-flac[&gt;=
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 0.10.0],gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly,libbrasero-media3.so.1,libdmapsharing-3.0.so.2,libgpod.so.4,libmtp.so.9,libmusicbrainz3.so.6,librhythmbox-core.so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .4,typelib(RB),typelib(WebKit) for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rhythmbox-2.90.1-0.20111117.2.mga2.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Juan Luis Baptiste &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juancho at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, we could package the ones that allow redistribution (I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> openarena is one of them). This is needed if one wants to make a live
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD with games, or an install CD/DVD set with game packages that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed without a network connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+AFAIK, openarena game data is GPL'd, that's why it is on core/release,
+as the same as Nexuiz. The games I just packaged don't have a free
+license (but GPL engine), so they should go on non-free, or, be
+autodownloaded as they currently are being done.
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+&gt;<i> AFAIK, openarena game data is GPL
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+<A HREF="http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/License#License">http://openarena.wikia.com/wiki/License#License</A>
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+&quot;In general, GNU General Public License v2 a.k.a. GPLv2 (NOT GPLv3) is the law here, but truly Public Domain (non copyrighted) stuff counts too. No other license is allowed in the project. The reason for GPLv2 adoption is that it allows a wider distribution.&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or, we could drop requires from rhythmbox? cc wally, who did this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change in r140912.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it's not the only package:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --requires :gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
+</I>[...]
+It's ugly :o)
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+&gt;<i> Name        : texlive                      Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version     : 20110705                          Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release     : 3.mga2                        Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mon Dec 12 00:06:19 2011 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: ecosse Group       : Publishing                    Source
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM: (none) Size        : 131278349                        License:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tug.org/texlive/LICENSE.TL">http://www.tug.org/texlive/LICENSE.TL</A> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://tug.org/texlive/">http://tug.org/texlive/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : The TeX formatting system
+</I>
+
+Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=jadetex -progname=jadetex *jadetex.ini'
+failed
+Error: `pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex
+*pdfjadetex.ini' failed
+############################################################# 
+fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.
+Visit the log files in directory /var/lib/texmf/web2c
+for details.
+#############################################################
+This is a summary of all `failed' messages:
+`pdftex -ini  -jobname=jadetex -progname=jadetex *jadetex.ini' failed
+`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfjadetex -progname=pdfjadetex *pdfjadetex.ini'
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+The only thing in either of the logs is warnings about missing 
+Elsevier font and that mmasym package not loaded. some symbols will fail
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+Mageia release 2 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2386 Author ennael Date 2011-12-12 00:51:34 +0100 (Mon, 12 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> fix version
+</I>
+it wouldn't have hapenned if you hadn't forgot to bump version in
+Makefile.config :-)
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+&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2011-12-11 22:16:13 UTC (rev 2385)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/NEWS	2011-12-11 23:51:34 UTC (rev 2386)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> -Version 13.70 - 11 December 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> +Version 13.73 - 11 December 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  - Mageia 2 Alpha 2 banner
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+&gt;<i>pterjan &lt;pterjan&gt; 4.4.4-2.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i>+ Revision: 180828
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+&gt;<i>- Make the -doc package noarch
+</I>
+Dear pterjan,
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+The doc package does not upgrade the old doc package, so none of the
+gnuplot* packages can be easily installed with urpmi - only if the old -doc
+package is removed before.
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+Best regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
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+    <B>Claire Revillet</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C4EE5C4D2.7090707%40zarb.org%3E"
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+</I>&gt;<i> Dear pterjan,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The doc package does not upgrade the old doc package, so none of the
+</I>&gt;<i> gnuplot* packages can be easily installed with urpmi - only if the old -doc
+</I>&gt;<i> package is removed before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>Your mirrors may not have been uptodate. I had no problems updating my 
+cauldron this morning.
+Claire (grenoya)
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+&gt;<i>Le 12/12/2011 09:28, Dick Gevers a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear pterjan,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The doc package does not upgrade the old doc package, so none of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnuplot* packages can be easily installed with urpmi - only if the old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -doc package is removed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>&gt;<i>Your mirrors may not have been uptodate. I had no problems updating my 
+</I>&gt;<i>cauldron this morning.
+</I>&gt;<i>Claire (grenoya)
+</I>
+Funny, 2 simultaneous Cauldron machines here, one went okay, but the other
+gave:
+
+Installation failed:    file /usr/share/gnuplot/4.4/gnuplot.gih from
+install of gnuplot-nox-4.4.4-2.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+gnuplot-doc-4.4.3-2.mga2.x86_64
+file /usr/share/gnuplot/4.4/lua/gnuplot-tikz.lua from install of
+gnuplot-nox-4.4.4-2.mga2.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
+gnuplot-doc-4.4.3-2.mga2.x86_64
+
+Since I'm usually using --noclean I fixed the upgrade with the same files
+via smart by simultaneously removing the old -doc package.
+
+HTH
+
+Kind regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
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+&gt;<i> Am 11.12.2011 16:58, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 15:13:19 schreef Manuel Hiebel:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 14:48 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:41:30 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 14:11, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 14:06:18 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 10.12.2011 13:45, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 10 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> look at other packages, like mysql, they generate a README.install.urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> file which show this text in rpmdrake
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Rpmdrake ? are you sure it's not only in urpmi ? (cli)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well, i operated on the assumption that both show these... it it's not like 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that, then i need to rethink some actions i did...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Generally it will be shown by both
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mandriva_RPM_HOWTO#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> depending on the name of the file, you can also change it to be only shown
+</I>&gt;<i> by urpmi or rpmdrake, if you want to.
+</I>
+No, you can't.
+
+Also, a more up-to-date documentation is in our wiki:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_RPM_tutorial#Interaction_with_urpmi_and_rpmdrake</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Samuel Verschelde at 10/12/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:14:38, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 08 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 18:51 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would suggest that registering nobody as a mailing list, so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> every interested packagers could join to help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the reasons already highlighted several time, this would not work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's the situation at mandriva, and we know well the problem it cause
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( aka, obscure communication, no one really in charge of a rpm, so not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one feeling responsible for bugs or anything ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Either a package is maintained and should be marked as such, or it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not, and should be marked as such, with a unfortunate fate for him
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sooner or later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The goal is not to align lots of unmaintained packages, but to have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintained distribution. People have been complaining for quality since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of time, and that's the only way to have it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If not, this end like Mandriva, people see and fill bugs, they are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed, and no one care. This greatly undermine the confidence in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution in the long run, and so while having maintainer is not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> magic solution, this is a important step in the right direction.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A free-for-all pool is just a mess.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You're explaining why having orphan packages is bad and it's hard to disagree, 
+</I>&gt;<i> but I fail to see why such a mailing list for people who are ready to devote 
+</I>&gt;<i> some time to orphan packages would make things worse. It's not because it's 
+</I>&gt;<i> not the ideal solution that it's bad, is it?
+</I>
+I understand Misc's point, but when there cannot be a perfect solution
+that works, then a least bad one will do.
+
+While it's been said lots of times by Misc that it's a bad situation,
+until someone comes up with a better practical approach I don't think a
+mailing list will may anything worse and may help when people are idling
+and looking for tasks. So I'm in favour of such a mailing list.
+
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Charles A Edwards skrev 8.12.2011 01:40:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've noticed on the latest tmb kernels (those after 3.0.8-1) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> init=systemd is now being auto added to the lilo append.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thankfully that did not cause a boot issue on this system for I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> still using sysvinit here and Not systemd-sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should it now be auto added with kernels on all systems???
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AFAIK it should only happend if you had it on the command line for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel you was running when you installed next kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, init=/bin/systemd is forced by drakxtools on each kernel install,
+</I>&gt;<i> if /bin/systemd exists (which means always, since systemd is required by
+</I>&gt;<i> basesystem). See /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is pretty bad, we should not do it if we still want to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> sysvinit compatibility in Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Oh boy, I certainly wasn't aware of that bit of code. It seems crazy
+code to me (duplicating what installing systemd-sysvinit package does.
+There is literally no need for that whole section, so I'd just strip it out.
+
+Col
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+Please note that disabling x264 in ffmpeg causes errors
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+2011/12/12 Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note that disabling x264 in ffmpeg causes errors
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+if anyone of you should notice, that qgis needs an update. I'll do it 
+tommorow.
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+I need this for a presentation I have to do tommorow, so please leave it for 
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Barry Jackson (&quot;barjac&quot;) and Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>&gt;<i> (&quot;Malo&quot;) have both graduated from their packager mentorship process and got
+</I>&gt;<i> submit rights.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to the Mageia Packaging Team!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks, Shlomi for putting up with all my questions!
+I think that right now is where the real learning begins ;)
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+&gt;<i> On 12/12/11 20:14, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Barry Jackson (&quot;barjac&quot;) and Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (&quot;Malo&quot;) have both graduated from their packager mentorship process and got
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> submit rights.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Welcome to the Mageia Packaging Team!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, Shlomi for putting up with all my questions!
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that right now is where the real learning begins ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+Thanks as well Shlomi for your patience and availability!
+
+I hope we won't screw everything, now that we can ;-)
+
+I also want to encourage strongly people to enrol as either mentors (for the
+Jedi packagers) or as apprentices (for anyone who want to contribute to fix bugs
+and maintain packages). This apprenticeship program is great, and new
+packagers/maintainers are greatly needed.
+
+The current place to start is:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+Cheers,
+-- 
+Malo
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+&gt;<i> On 12/12/11 20:14, Shlomi Fish wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm proud to announce that Barry Jackson (&quot;barjac&quot;) and Pierre-Malo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Denielou (&quot;Malo&quot;) have both graduated from their packager mentorship
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; process and got submit rights.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Welcome to the Mageia Packaging Team!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, Shlomi for putting up with all my questions!
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that right now is where the real learning begins ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>
+don't say such offending things towards your master :-P
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+j/k, welcome to you both
+
+AL13N
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 6 d&#233;cembre 2011 23:03:08, Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my name is Yves-Ga&#235;l aka hurdman ( on the french mageia chan).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have used Mandriva before mageia a long time ago for server and desktop.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some of the french team has known me as nantes_geek.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I ever made some unofficial package for mandriva ( on distrib coffee
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people's section).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a mirror for mageia (mageia.r0b0t.fr) and i begin to port to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia a mandriva-based gpl3 project for educational purpose (phoenixedu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> =&gt; the forge will be open soon).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, i have got time to package some soft for the community but i have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never learned how build a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good rpm ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, if someone has some time for me , i can become his apprentice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope i can contrib a bit ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> many thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hurdman
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice to see you step in!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I already have several apprentices so I won't volunteer for now but hope you
+</I>&gt;<i> will find one soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To andre999 : time for a report about current mentorship status? Are there
+</I>&gt;<i> other would-be packager waiting for a mentor?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+If nobody propose i can open my &quot;last&quot; slot.
+
+Please open a bugreport to ask an account and tell :
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+    Charles
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+Winning isn't everything.  It's the only thing.
+		-- Vince Lombardi
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
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+&gt;<i> For the past 2 days there appears to be an issue if using $MIRRORLIST
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi bails with the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Could not find a mirror from mirrorlist $MIRRORLIST'
+</I>
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3707">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3707</A>
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+    <B>andre999</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
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+We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor shlomif), 
+and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca).  All of whom are already active 
+maintainers (with at least one package).  (malo has over 50.)
+
+We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+
+neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov), who has been waiting over a month,
+and has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well 
+as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.
+
+regularlambda (Mahmut Bulut), who has been waiting almost a month (sorry for 
+missing you),
+and has experience packaging for other distros.
+
+am2605 (Andrew Myers), who has been waiting over a week,
+a longtime Fedora, a web developer, interested in packaging related to Gnome, 
+Java, Ecliple among others, teaching himself Mageia packaging basics.
+
+ajunior (Adjamiltion J&#250;nior),
+who is interested in maintaining packages related to pinpoint, gzip, or any 
+others needing a maintainer
+
+hurdman ((Yyves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny),
+who develops system software and maintains a Gnu/Linux server at work.
+
+You can find more details at:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+(Note that this address has changed with the new wiki.)
+
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+
+Thanks :-)
+
+----
+
+We now have 53 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with 
+several who have yet to take a package.
+We currently have about 40 apprentices.
+Almost 80% of packages have a maintainer.
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an 
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A> 
+
+
+See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+
+To find a mentor, you can also post to this list (mageia-dev), or on IRC at 
+freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+
+Regards :-)
+
+-- 
+Andr&#233;
+(Packager mentoring program coordinator)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2401 Author rda Date 2011-12-12 23:46:41 +0100 (Mon, 12 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> reorganize mounted images tests and summary output
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Barry Jackson (&quot;barjac&quot;) and Pierre-Malo
+</I>&gt;<i> Denielou (&quot;Malo&quot;) have both graduated from their packager mentorship
+</I>&gt;<i> process and got submit rights.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to the Mageia Packaging Team!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+Excellent!
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+Don't forget to update your maintainership status in the maintdb, if not done 
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+I'd like to welcome Christophe Ringeval (&quot;eatdirt&quot;) to the Mageia packager 
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'm proud to announce that Barry Jackson (&quot;barjac&quot;) and Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>&gt;<i> (&quot;Malo&quot;) have both graduated from their packager mentorship process and got
+</I>&gt;<i> submit rights.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to the Mageia Packaging Team!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>Welcome here. Your work is appreciated!
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+    <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 13 d&#233;cembre 2011 05:49:45, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor
+</I>&gt;<i> shlomif), and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca).  All of whom are
+</I>&gt;<i> already active maintainers (with at least one package).  (malo has over
+</I>&gt;<i> 50.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+According to another thread, I guess that dmorgan is now hurdman's mentor.
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+4 left :)
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 13 d&#233;cembre 2011 05:49:45, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif), and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca). &#160;All of whom are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already active maintainers (with at least one package). &#160;(malo has over
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 50.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to another thread, I guess that dmorgan is now hurdman's mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+yes done, and account created. I started to find work to do for him
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+&gt;<i> It seems I forgot something.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to welcome Christophe Ringeval (&quot;eatdirt&quot;) to the Mageia packager
+</I>&gt;<i> team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome and continue the good work, you already did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+Hi there
+Thank you Venerable Master, I owe you everything and will do my best to 
+not turn to the dark side, of course, and honour your teaching with 
+dignity!! :)
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+There is a fantastic atmosphere around, I should thank everyone who 
+helped me, as Colin for his patience and others for their answers to 
+boooooring questions (now I can think of a few that were indeed jokes).
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+In a spec file, to install icons, if you copy the image in xpm format in 
+/usr/share/pixmap how do you update the image?
+I search a command like %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache -q 
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 03.12.2011 08:05, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 3.12.2011 01:06:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 03.12.2011 00:18, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula skrev 2.12.2011 23:17:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of driver switching...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to detect missing radeon firmware in initrd in early
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> boot, and then switch to loading radeon with modeset=0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Seems doable (if a bit hacky), but unfortunately new radeon cards (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> least cayman/northern islands) do not work without KMS at all (while
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> slightly older cards like Evergreen mostly work but without any kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2d/3d acceleration).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, I started thinking about those too after my post...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This also means that X server will fail to start since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fallback to autodetection (and therefore vesa) when the card is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> explicitely listed in xorg.conf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not quite sure what is the best way forward.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hm, so we would need a split in detection for nonkms capable cards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the rest...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or take the easy way out and boot everyone on vesa until radeon firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is available...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Does loading of radeon modesetting kernel driver without firmware break
+</I>&gt;<i> the boot completely, or does it just make X.org server fail to start?
+</I>
+Does anyone know?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, I've been thinking the same, but haven't gotten around to doing it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>
+One possibility is to make dracut record the missing firmware files
+somewhere, and then in %post or in filetrigger (for /lib/firmware) check
+if missing firmware got installed, and in that case run
+bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> and what about nvidia* and fglrx, should they do the same ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, currently we always include the KMS drivers in initrd, and when
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia* or fglrx is enabled we simply add nokmsboot (mga/mdv specific)
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel parameter to avoid initrd rebuild.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and for a dkms related issue, I've also been thinking we whould
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trigger dkms rebuild on kernel install to save time on next bootup.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That would seem reasonable, it would just be a matter of
+</I>&gt;<i> [ -x /usr/sbin/dkms_autoinstaller ] &amp;&amp; \
+</I>&gt;<i> 	/usr/sbin/dkms_autoinstaller start %kernelver || :
+</I>&gt;<i> in kernel %post AFAICS...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+    <B>Dan Fandrich</B> 
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+<PRE>I raised a bug ticket on drakxtools (#3731) because the RPM in Cauldron
+installs without complaints in Mageia 1 but won't work there because
+it requires a newer version of perl. The perl dependency in the
+RPM is listed as &quot;perl-base&quot; when it should really be something like
+&quot;perl-base &gt;= 5.14.2&quot; (Mageia 1 ships with version 5.12.3).  The response
+I got was that such an upgrade (from release to Cauldron) wasn't supported
+and this bug was likely a wontfix.
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+I looked for a policy that covers this kind of situation and found nothing
+clear.  The closest I found was this:
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+    Packages should only contain Requires if those are absolutely
+    necessary for the program to work correctly...Packages must not
+    contain explicit Requires on libraries except when absolutely
+    necessary. When explicit library Requires are necessary, there should
+    be a spec file comment justifying it...Packagers should revisit an
+    explicit dependency as appropriate to avoid it becoming inaccurate
+    and superfluous.
+
+What isn't in the policy is what &quot;absolutely necessary&quot; is. It is clearly
+&quot;absolutely necessary&quot; from a technical perspective that the newer
+drakxtools have the newer perl installed for it to work. But, is it
+necessary to list that version dependency in the RPM?  IMHO, it is, given
+that the perl version in the currently-shipping Mageia distribution is
+too old to support it. That seems to me to be the kind of use case for
+which versioned requires were invented.
+
+The other argument would be that you shouldn't put any versioned
+requires on packages that are shipping along with the dependent
+package. In essence, as long as all the packages in your system come
+from the same Mageia release, you'll be fine.  I think this is much too
+lax, and won't even really work on Cauldron because there can be so many
+possible combinations of package versions. It could also break upgrading a
+system in place to a new distro version, as urpmi could choose to upgrade
+the dependent package first and leave the newer versioned dependency
+until much later, leaving the system in a broken state in the meantime.
+It also ignores one of the most powerful features of RPM and can end up
+causing &quot;DLL hell&quot;.
+
+What makes the most sense to me is to use versioned requires whenever
+technically necessary, but put a limit on how old a version can be before
+it's dropped.  So, if one package absolutely needs a minimum version of
+another, that version should be listed as long as an older version shipped
+at some point in the past 3 years or 6 releases (or something along those
+lines).  After then, the version can be dropped in the spec file. Checking
+for older versions that could be dropped could even be automated.
+
+That, to me, strikes a reasonable balance between maintaining flexibility
+in being able to switch between package versions and maintainability of
+the spec files and RPMs themselves.
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+<PRE>On 05.12.2011 08:09, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. nouveau
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to move nouveau DRI drivers from libdri-drivers-experimental
+</I>&gt;<i> to libdri-drivers.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora moved them out of -experimental in last January, Ubuntu in last
+</I>&gt;<i> June, OpenSUSE in July (though OpenSUSE doesn't have the legacy
+</I>&gt;<i> nouveau_vieux DRI driver at all), and Debian a week ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been running with it for the last week or so with no problems on my
+</I>&gt;<i> card.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+No one was against, so I'm moving nouveau drivers to main dri-drivers
+package.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. swrastg
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems we have both swrast_dri.so and swrastg_dri.so in libdri-drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> package.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> swrast_dri.so is the traditional SW rasterizer used when there is no HW
+</I>&gt;<i> support.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> swrastg_dri.so is the Gallium3d-based rasterizer which is considerably
+</I>&gt;<i> faster.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However, actually only swrast_dri.so is used, so should we:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) switch to swrastg, drop swrast (Fedora in Nov 2010)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) keep it as is, unused (~4 MB)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) move swrastg to libdri-drivers-experimental (Ubuntu in Jun 2010,
+</I>&gt;<i>    Debian a week ago) which nouveau is probably moving out of
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) drop swrastg completely for now (seemingly OpenSUSE)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately I have no idea on the status of swrastg beyond the above
+</I>&gt;<i> distro information, and the fact that it does indeed work as tested
+</I>&gt;<i> while writing this, and XBMC runs smoother with it than with swrast.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be somewhat inclined to follow Fedora here, but I'm not at all sure.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT (see also below)?
+</I>
+Seems 1 was more preferred in general, so I'll do that and drop legacy
+swrast.
+
+&gt;<i> Implementation note: With a quick look I didn't find any easy way to
+</I>&gt;<i> switch a system to use swrastg_dri.so when both are installed; if we
+</I>&gt;<i> want to provide switching between them, we need to either
+</I>&gt;<i> a) use alternatives for swrast_dri.so, or
+</I>&gt;<i> b) have swrastg_dri.so in a different dir and have that path first in
+</I>&gt;<i>    the dri search path so that when -experimental is installed, it
+</I>&gt;<i>    will get preferred (while mesa has the needed code already, xserver
+</I>&gt;<i>    would need a trivial patch as it currently has a single search path)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>You-Cheng Hsieh</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 13 d&#233;cembre 2011 05:49:45, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif), and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca). &#160;All of whom are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already active maintainers (with at least one package). &#160;(malo has over
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 50.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to another thread, I guess that dmorgan is now hurdman's mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 left :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hello,
+
+I'm not sure if I should post a new message or reply this thread, but
+I'm looking for a mentor.
+
+I'm currently living in Taiwan, where the timezone is UTC+8. English
+is preferred during mentoring. With very basic packaging experience, I
+have packed gcin, libchewing, scim-chewing, pcmanx-gtk2 for personal
+use on Mandriva and Mageia. In the future I wish to maintain these
+packages since they're not maintained in Mageia.
+
+My personal info has been added in the wiki:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
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+Best Regards,
+
+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+&gt;<i> I raised a bug ticket on drakxtools (#3731) because the RPM in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> installs without complaints in Mageia 1 but won't work there because
+</I>&gt;<i> it requires a newer version of perl. The perl dependency in the
+</I>&gt;<i> RPM is listed as &quot;perl-base&quot; when it should really be something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;perl-base &gt;= 5.14.2&quot; (Mageia 1 ships with version 5.12.3).  The response
+</I>&gt;<i> I got was that such an upgrade (from release to Cauldron) wasn't supported
+</I>&gt;<i> and this bug was likely a wontfix.
+</I>
+It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person
+building the package will have working versions of everything.
+
+Worse, in two years' time, perl-base of 5.14.3 will be hopelessly
+outdated (we all expect, at least). So it becomes one more thing to
+maintain.
+
+But it's also a problem worth solving for some of the system-critical
+components such as perl, urpmi and drak*. I don't think &quot;wontfix&quot; is a
+good answer here.
+
+My Mandriva Cooker system was unbootable for a while recently because
+upgrading udev didn't pull in other required packages; the desktop
+wasn't working for similar reasons.  You can say, don't stop
+mid-upgrade, but a network outage or a power failure can make such
+things happen.
+
+Liam
+
+-- 
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
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+    <B>Michel Catudal</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 12/12/2011 23:49, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor shlomif), and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca).  All of whom are already active maintainers (with at least one package).  (malo has over 50.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> neocrust (Alexander Scherbakov), who has been waiting over a month,
+</I>&gt;<i> and has experience maintaining packages for openSuse and Lunar Linux, as well as translating to Russion, and doing documentation with the Gentoo Russion team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regularlambda (Mahmut Bulut), who has been waiting almost a month (sorry for missing you),
+</I>&gt;<i> and has experience packaging for other distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> am2605 (Andrew Myers), who has been waiting over a week,
+</I>&gt;<i> a longtime Fedora, a web developer, interested in packaging related to Gnome, Java, Ecliple among others, teaching himself Mageia packaging basics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ajunior (Adjamiltion J&#250;nior),
+</I>&gt;<i> who is interested in maintaining packages related to pinpoint, gzip, or any others needing a maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman ((Yyves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny),
+</I>&gt;<i> who develops system software and maintains a Gnu/Linux server at work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find more details at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Note that this address has changed with the new wiki.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We now have 53 active packagers (maintaining at least one package), with several who have yet to take a package.
+</I>&gt;<i> We currently have about 40 apprentices.
+</I>&gt;<i> Almost 80% of packages have a maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To find a mentor, you can also post to this list (mageia-dev), or on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :-)
+</I>
+I am still waiting on my mentor to give me a report of what he thinks about my AVR32 and ARM packages.
+
+I would be interested in becoming the maintainer of mate if no one is doing it yet. I hate gnome 3 with a passion and I find kde too bloated.
+
+Michel Catudal
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+sound no longer works.
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+Sound card is c-media and is properly detected in both harddrake and
+alsaconf and uses the snd_cmipci driver and is set to use pulseaudio.
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+Driver and modules are loaded
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lspcidrake -v |grep AUDIO
+snd_cmipci      : C-Media Electronics Inc|CM8738 [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO]
+(vendor:13f6 device:0111 subv:584d subd:3731) (rev: 10) [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A>
+~]# lsmod |grep snd 
+snd_cmipci             40460  0 
+gameport               14963  1 snd_cmipci
+snd_pcm                84041  1 snd_cmipci
+snd_page_alloc         18101  1 snd_pcm
+snd_opl3_lib           18620  1 snd_cmipci
+snd_timer              28855  2 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib
+snd_hwdep              13515  1 snd_opl3_lib
+snd_mpu401_uart        13992  1 snd_cmipci
+snd_rawmidi            29657  1 snd_mpu401_uart
+snd_seq_device         14136  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
+snd                    70007  8
+snd_cmipci,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
+soundcore              14491  1 snd
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+But the card is not detected by pulseaudio
+Running PulseAudio Volumne Control:
+Shows only for Dummy Output
+Configuration:
+Shows: No cards available for configuration
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+    Charles
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+-- 
+Yow!  Now I get to think about all the BAD THINGS I did to a BOWLING
+BALL when I was in JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL!
+----------------------
+Mageia release 2 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.1.5-tmb-server-1.mga2 x86_64
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+    <B>Franklin Weng</B> 
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+Yesterday some developers launched a new input method project HIME
+(<A HREF="http://hime.luna.com.tw">http://hime.luna.com.tw</A>) which is forked from gcin.
+I downloaded the source code and made a rpm package.  It successfully
+installed with rpm.
+
+I can use hime as my input method.  However, in the localdrake I
+couldn't choose hime as my input method.
+
+If I set the QT_IM_MODULE, GTK_IM_MODULE, XMODIFIER, ... variables I
+could use it.  Could anyone please tell me how to make it appear in
+the input method list of localedrake?
+
+BTW, this is the first time I try to package a new software.  After I
+completed all the post-install scripts, can you accept that in the
+cauldron (and even mageia 2) repository?
+
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+Thanks,
+Franklin
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+<PRE>2011/12/14 Franklin Weng &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi list,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yesterday some developers launched a new input method project HIME
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://hime.luna.com.tw">http://hime.luna.com.tw</A>) which is forked from gcin.
+</I>&gt;<i> I downloaded the source code and made a rpm package. &#160;It successfully
+</I>&gt;<i> installed with rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can use hime as my input method. &#160;However, in the localdrake I
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't choose hime as my input method.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I set the QT_IM_MODULE, GTK_IM_MODULE, XMODIFIER, ... variables I
+</I>&gt;<i> could use it. &#160;Could anyone please tell me how to make it appear in
+</I>&gt;<i> the input method list of localedrake?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, this is the first time I try to package a new software. &#160;After I
+</I>&gt;<i> completed all the post-install scripts, can you accept that in the
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron (and even mageia 2) repository?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Franklin
+</I>
+lol
+I just packed it about the same time you sent this message. XD The
+spec file is attached with this message, I also upload the srpm here:
+<A HREF="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8F114XOU">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8F114XOU</A>
+
+I'm still looking for a mentor. Hopefully some one could push it, and
+I can maintain it after I'm mentored and qualified for packaging.
+
+Thanks,
+
+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2011-12-13 at 16:31 -0800, Dan Fandrich wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I raised a bug ticket on drakxtools (#3731) because the RPM in Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installs without complaints in Mageia 1 but won't work there because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it requires a newer version of perl.
+</I>
+This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that 
+makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva 
+and Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).
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+If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be a need for backports ...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; The perl dependency in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; RPM is listed as &quot;perl-base&quot; when it should really be something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;perl-base &gt;= 5.14.2&quot; (Mageia 1 ships with version 5.12.3).  The response
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I got was that such an upgrade (from release to Cauldron) wasn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; supported and this bug was likely a wontfix.
+</I>
+Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not 
+supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from 
+the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done 
+correctly, should usually work as expected.
+
+&gt;<i> It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person
+</I>&gt;<i> building the package will have working versions of everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Worse, in two years' time, perl-base of 5.14.3 will be hopelessly
+</I>&gt;<i> outdated (we all expect, at least). So it becomes one more thing to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But it's also a problem worth solving for some of the system-critical
+</I>&gt;<i> components such as perl, urpmi and drak*. I don't think &quot;wontfix&quot; is a
+</I>&gt;<i> good answer here.
+</I>
+But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep 
+urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.
+
+Supporting the use case of installing any random package from a different 
+release will take more effort than just adding and maintaining a version on 
+one perl-base dependency.
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+</I>This update the gtk image *cache*, for gtk apps, not the image itself. 
+Where are those xpm icons used, and are you trying to update exactly ?
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+<PRE>2011/12/14 Franklin Weng &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi list,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yesterday some developers launched a new input method project HIME
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://hime.luna.com.tw">http://hime.luna.com.tw</A>) which is forked from gcin.
+</I>&gt;<i> I downloaded the source code and made a rpm package. &#160;It successfully
+</I>&gt;<i> installed with rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I set the QT_IM_MODULE, GTK_IM_MODULE, XMODIFIER, ... variables I
+</I>&gt;<i> could use it. &#160;Could anyone please tell me how to make it appear in
+</I>&gt;<i> the input method list of localedrake?
+</I>
+Hello,
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+I've reported bug #3739 for this package request, srpm link included
+and I also attached modified lang.pm which has hime added.
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3739">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3739</A>
+
+Note that attached lang.pm also comment out some input methods which
+is not maintained upstream long ago and have no packages avaailable in
+mageia repo: chinput, kinput2, oxim, xcin.
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+Thanks,
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+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+&gt;<i> It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person
+</I>&gt;<i> building the package will have working versions of everything.
+</I>
+It would be tricky, but entirely possible to be tested automatically.
+
+&gt;<i> Worse, in two years' time, perl-base of 5.14.3 will be hopelessly
+</I>&gt;<i> outdated (we all expect, at least). So it becomes one more thing to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain.
+</I>
+I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you talking about maintaining
+the version numbers in the spec files?  I agree that after a few releases
+it becomes more and more unlikely that a smooth upgrade could happen at
+all, so I would be happy cleaning out the spec files of such versions
+after a time.
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+&gt;<i> But it's also a problem worth solving for some of the system-critical
+</I>&gt;<i> components such as perl, urpmi and drak*. I don't think &quot;wontfix&quot; is a
+</I>&gt;<i> good answer here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> My Mandriva Cooker system was unbootable for a while recently because
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrading udev didn't pull in other required packages; the desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> wasn't working for similar reasons.  You can say, don't stop
+</I>&gt;<i> mid-upgrade, but a network outage or a power failure can make such
+</I>&gt;<i> things happen.
+</I>
+Exactly. That's just the kind of edge case that shows that this isn't merely
+a problem with unsupported use cases.
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+&gt;<i> This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that
+</I>&gt;<i> makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).
+</I>
+I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+hours or (if interrupted) days later. During the entirety of that time,
+that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+
+&gt;<i> If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be a need for backports ...
+</I>
+Backports are nice in that they are leaf packages that don't generally
+require a ton of newer libraries be installed as well. Installing a
+single package of any complexity from a newer distribution often results
+in a cascading series of new packages to resolve all the dependencies.
+But it's often expeditious to upgrade simpler packages in that way in
+cases when the system can't completely upgraded right away.
+
+It's possible to handle that kind of case reliably, but I understand that
+it would be more work to get the dependencies just right. Many library
+authors put plenty of effort into maintaining binary compatibility across
+releases just so this sort of thing is possible. But even if this isn't an
+officially-supported mode of operation, problems like the one I described
+above can still result in broken systems if the dependencies aren't
+correctly described.
+
+&gt;<i> Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not
+</I>&gt;<i> supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from
+</I>&gt;<i> the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly, should usually work as expected.
+</I>
+Yes, &quot;usually&quot;. Is Mageia the operating system that works reliably 95% of the
+time?
+
+&gt;<i> But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.
+</I>
+But only if the dependencies are set correctly. And my original bug report on
+that has just now been closed as WONTFIX.
+
+&gt;<i> Supporting the use case of installing any random package from a different
+</I>&gt;<i> release will take more effort than just adding and maintaining a version on one
+</I>&gt;<i> perl-base dependency.
+</I>
+Yes, it will, but it can be automated to a certain extent. There just has to be
+a will to make sure that even the corner cases work.
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+<PRE>Le 14/12/2011 10:14, Dan Fandrich a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:49:15AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> hours or (if interrupted) days later. During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>Heaven, a critical component not available during an upgrade :)
+
+OK, let's supose all dependencies have been correctly versioned. Would 
+it be sufficient to offer any garanty of correct working order ? I don't 
+think so, you'd just have gained a bit more safety during the 
+transition. But given we can't already ensure correct working order 
+during nominal sitution, I don't think that's really a priority to 
+invest efforts toward transitional situations.
+
+Of course, this doesn't prevent you from targeting those issues, if you 
+feel concerned. But you'd better ask for a contributer account to do the 
+final piece of work (fixing the packages) directly, if your only 
+argument to convince packagers is edge case as 'working order during 
+upgrade'.
+
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #95:
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+Pentium FDIV bug
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+&gt;<i> It's possible to handle that kind of case reliably, but I understand that
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be more work to get the dependencies just right. Many library
+</I>&gt;<i> authors put plenty of effort into maintaining binary compatibility across
+</I>&gt;<i> releases just so this sort of thing is possible. But even if this isn't an
+</I>&gt;<i> officially-supported mode of operation, problems like the one I described
+</I>&gt;<i> above can still result in broken systems if the dependencies aren't
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly described.
+</I>
+It's impossible to describe all dependencies correctly. We don't know
+the minimal versions of most dependencies. That would need to be tested,
+but we cannot test all combinaisons of packages. And even adding all
+those minimal version dependencies would not be enough. If
+drakxtools-backend had a dependency on new perl, then new perl would
+have been installed, and maybe drakxtools-backend would work but all
+other perl tools could be broken. So maximal version is also needed,
+but we cannot guess which version will add incompatibilities in the
+futur. It's already difficult to have correct dependencies within one
+release, but it's impossible to do it for any combinaison of packages
+from different releases.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 14/12/11 04:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> After rebooting tonight for the first time in approx a week I find that
+</I>&gt;<i> sound no longer works.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sound card is c-media and is properly detected in both harddrake and
+</I>&gt;<i> alsaconf and uses the snd_cmipci driver and is set to use pulseaudio.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Driver and modules are loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lspcidrake -v |grep AUDIO
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_cmipci      : C-Media Electronics Inc|CM8738 [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO]
+</I>&gt;<i> (vendor:13f6 device:0111 subv:584d subd:3731) (rev: 10) [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ~]# lsmod |grep snd 
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_cmipci             40460  0 
+</I>&gt;<i> gameport               14963  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_pcm                84041  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_page_alloc         18101  1 snd_pcm
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_opl3_lib           18620  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_timer              28855  2 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_hwdep              13515  1 snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_mpu401_uart        13992  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_rawmidi            29657  1 snd_mpu401_uart
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_seq_device         14136  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
+</I>&gt;<i> snd                    70007  8
+</I>&gt;<i> snd_cmipci,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
+</I>&gt;<i> soundcore              14491  1 snd
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But the card is not detected by pulseaudio
+</I>&gt;<i> Running PulseAudio Volumne Control:
+</I>&gt;<i> Shows only for Dummy Output
+</I>&gt;<i> Configuration:
+</I>&gt;<i> Shows: No cards available for configuration
+</I>
+Generally this relates to a permissions issue (although it can also
+indicate a problem with dbus)
+
+1. cat /proc/asound/cards
+2. getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+3. sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
+
+Col
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:49:15AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is unsupported. Maybe you should instead contribute documentation that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> makes this more explicitly obvious, but it is a well-known rule in Mandriva and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia (and usually applies to other distros as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>
+During an upgrade urpmi starts by updating what it uses (perl, rpm,
+few other things, itself) and then restarts.
+
+&gt;<i> During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>
+That would not be prevented. The result would be that you need to
+install thousands of packages in the same transaction as they are all
+required by each other, and nothing would prevent your CGI from being
+at the end of the transaction which will happen hours or days later.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be a need for backports ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Backports are nice in that they are leaf packages that don't generally
+</I>&gt;<i> require a ton of newer libraries be installed as well. Installing a
+</I>&gt;<i> single package of any complexity from a newer distribution often results
+</I>&gt;<i> in a cascading series of new packages to resolve all the dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i> But it's often expeditious to upgrade simpler packages in that way in
+</I>&gt;<i> cases when the system can't completely upgraded right away.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's possible to handle that kind of case reliably, but I understand that
+</I>&gt;<i> it would be more work to get the dependencies just right. Many library
+</I>&gt;<i> authors put plenty of effort into maintaining binary compatibility across
+</I>&gt;<i> releases just so this sort of thing is possible. But even if this isn't an
+</I>&gt;<i> officially-supported mode of operation, problems like the one I described
+</I>&gt;<i> above can still result in broken systems if the dependencies aren't
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly described.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> correctly, should usually work as expected.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, &quot;usually&quot;. Is Mageia the operating system that works reliably 95% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> time?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But only if the dependencies are set correctly. And my original bug report on
+</I>&gt;<i> that has just now been closed as WONTFIX.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Supporting the use case of installing any random package from a different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release will take more effort than just adding and maintaining a version on one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl-base dependency.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it will, but it can be automated to a certain extent. There just has to be
+</I>&gt;<i> a will to make sure that even the corner cases work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
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+<PRE>On 14 December 2011 10:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>
+This is bullshit.
+urpmi will upgrade perl itself first (with glibc, rpm &amp; perl-URPM).
+
+&gt;<i> During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>
+This is totally unrealistic.
+If someone is fool enough to perform a live upgrade on a server
+still serving requests, it deserves being shoot. Twice.
+One usually pulls a server out of trafic, upgrade it, then put it back
+in use. And keeps HA by keeping another old server responding.
+That's not a valid use case.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Installing packages individually from one release on another release is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported. Either upgrade the entire distro first, or stick to packages from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the version you are on. However 'upgrade from release to Cauldron', when done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> correctly, should usually work as expected.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, &quot;usually&quot;. Is Mageia the operating system that works reliably 95% of the
+</I>&gt;<i> time?
+</I>
+This will break on every distro.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But, in supported use cases, urpmi *does* ensure that all the pieces to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi are upgraded in one transaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But only if the dependencies are set correctly. And my original bug report on
+</I>&gt;<i> that has just now been closed as WONTFIX.
+</I>
+Once again, your report has nothing to do with urpmi.
+Urpmi doesn't depends on quite a lot of packages and
+it WILL upgrade them first then restart.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Dec 14 13:29:57 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>The following situation has persisted over several days (i.e. it's not 
+mirror lag):
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-update
+updated medium &quot;Core Release&quot;
+updated medium &quot;Core Release Debug&quot;
+medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+updated medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot;
+updated medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot;
+updated medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot;
+updated medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;
+updated medium &quot;Core 32bit Release Debug&quot;
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+  (due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+  (due to unsatisfied xserver-abi(xinput-12) &gt;= 2) (y/N)
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-select --keep
+Some requested packages cannot be installed:
+gnibbles-3.3.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+gnome-color-manager-3.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64champlain-gtk0.12_0-0.12.0-4.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64champlain0.12_0-0.12.0-4.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64clutter-gesture0.0.2_0-0.0.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64clutter-gst1.0_0-1.4.4-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64clutter-gtk1.0_0-1.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64clutter-imcontext0.1_0-0.1.6-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep 
+lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64)
+lib64mash0.2_0-0.2.0-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64mutter-private0-3.3.2-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64sushi1.0_0-0.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+lib64totem0-3.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+mutter-3.3.2-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+quadrapassel-3.3.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+sushi-0.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+lib64clutter1.0_0-1.9.2-1.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+totem-3.2.1-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
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+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
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+libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
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+x11-server-common-1.11.2-3.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+xserver-abi(xinput-12))
+x11-server-common-1.11.2-3.mga2.x86_64 (in order to keep 
+x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64)
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> The following situation has persisted over several days (i.e. it's not
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror lag):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at ftgme2</A> ftg]# urpmi --auto-update
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Core Release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Core Release Debug&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> updated medium &quot;Core 32bit Release Debug&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is up-to-date
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>    (due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;<i> x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>    (due to unsatisfied xserver-abi(xinput-12)&gt;= 2) (y/N)
+</I>
+let it remove both of theese, as they are obsolete, and it should be ok.
+
+--
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>On 12/14/2011 07:33 AM, Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> let it remove both of theese, as they are obsolete, and it should be ok.
+</I>OK, thanks.
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+    <B>Malo</B> 
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+<PRE>On 13/12/11 04:49, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an
+</I>&gt;<i> apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> To find a mentor, you can also post to this list (mageia-dev), or on IRC at
+</I>&gt;<i> freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+</I>
+New apprentices are really encouraged to hang out on IRC to get in contact with
+potential mentors. It speeds things up a lot in my experience :-).
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+-- 
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+    <B>Malo</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] OCaml packaging team">malo at doc.ic.ac.uk
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+    <I>Wed Dec 14 15:35:00 CET 2011</I>
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+I've created a wiki page to talk about the OCaml packaging effort that has
+started to catch up with Debian and Fedora.
+There is a wiki page: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/OCaml_Packaging">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/OCaml_Packaging</A>
+The OCaml policies being at: <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Ocaml_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Ocaml_policy</A>
+
+This project can be extended to cover some other functional programming
+languages, such as Haskell, and some computer science research tools, such as
+theorem provers or SAT-solvers.
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+All interested packagers and testers are welcome to help and join the effort.
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+Cheers,
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+    <B>philippe makowski</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+</I>I'm quite busy now, but will have more free time in January I hope
+but at least via email (can't be always on IRC) I can mentor someone
+just don't be afraid if I not respond very fast
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+&gt;<i> On 03.12.2011 16:39, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does loading of radeon modesetting kernel driver without firmware break
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the boot completely, or does it just make X.org server fail to start?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone know?
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+IIRC older hw works, newer hw crashes the system.
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+&gt;<i> For the past 2 days there appears to be an issue if using $MIRRORLIST
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi bails with the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Could not find a mirror from mirrorlist $MIRRORLIST'
+</I>Unless you got a laptop, moving between very different networks, and 
+downloading very large payloads, using a dynamic mirrors list is asking 
+for troubles without significant advantages.
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+BOFH excuse #400:
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+We are Microsoft.  What you are experiencing is not a problem; it is an 
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 16 novembre 2011 18:37:46 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 9 novembre 2011 14:30:15, Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Naah, tests should avoid that in the same way we did in cauldron... so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; big issues should come out soon and stop the update/ugrade of a package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems no one has tested enough here, as the proposal of update came through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> I never read somewhere we did test it already on mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> The question was &#171; should we provide this package as an update for mageia 1? &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; not &#171; i did test it on *mageia 1* &amp; everything is ok so &#160;can we push it
+</I>&gt;<i> directly to updates ... &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+kdenlive 0.8.2.1 is now available on cauldron, so what is the final
+decision on this, there will be an update for mga 1 or not ?
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+I think it should.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:30:33AM +0000, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> During an upgrade urpmi starts by updating what it uses (perl, rpm,
+</I>&gt;<i> few other things, itself) and then restarts.
+</I>
+That has nothing to do with the problem in general. This same issue could
+occur with any package that relies on a newer library (even just a newer
+point version) but without mentioning that newer library version as a
+versioned require. That's the more general issue of which my perl-using
+example was but one example.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That would not be prevented. The result would be that you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> install thousands of packages in the same transaction as they are all
+</I>&gt;<i> required by each other, and nothing would prevent your CGI from being
+</I>&gt;<i> at the end of the transaction which will happen hours or days later.
+</I>
+All packages are not required by each other. On my system, 13% of packages
+are leaves that nothing depends on. 15% depend on nothing other than
+glibc, libstdc++ or bash. Another 14% have a single other dependency, in
+most cases a tightly-coupled library built from the same source code. So
+trying to argue that a transaction must install thousands of packages is
+specious.  And RPM's installation sequence is designed to minimize the
+window when software is unusable during an upgrade.
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+&gt;<i> On 14 December 2011 10:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is bullshit.
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi will upgrade perl itself first (with glibc, rpm &amp; perl-URPM).
+</I>
+What does perl have to do with this?  It's a general problem that could
+happen with any upgrade where version dependencies aren't listed correctly.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This is totally unrealistic.
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone is fool enough to perform a live upgrade on a server
+</I>&gt;<i> still serving requests, it deserves being shoot. Twice.
+</I>&gt;<i> One usually pulls a server out of trafic, upgrade it, then put it back
+</I>&gt;<i> in use. And keeps HA by keeping another old server responding.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not a valid use case.
+</I>
+Once again, you're looking at this specific example and missing the general
+case. This problem can happen even when installing a batch of bug fixes within
+a single release. The time span would hopefully me more on the order of minutes
+than hours, but the problem remains the same.
+
+&gt;<i> This will break on every distro.
+</I>
+Only those with broken dependencies. Plenty of people use Debian unstable, for
+example, but in my experience, their dependencies are much more extensively
+versioned.  Libraries of the same SONAME are generally backwards-compatible,
+so there's nothing fundamentally preventing this from working. But, it
+does mean extra effort and I understand if that's why it isn't being
+done. But if that's the case, then when are versioned dependencies
+ever acceptable?  The arguments I've been hearing (i.e. never try to mix
+releases &amp; don't bother trying to use your system during any kind of urpmi
+update) ultimately mean that they could be entirely removed everywhere.
+I really just want to have an agreed policy so I know which dependency bugs
+I find are worthy of being fixed.
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+&gt;<i> kdenlive 0.8.2.1 is now available on cauldron, so what is the final
+</I>&gt;<i> decision on this, there will be an update for mga 1 or not ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it should.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> juancho
+</I>
+even though there are several bugs in the mga1 implementation (believe me, i 
+know!) i would still say no, because my wife would kill me if her older 
+projects would not produce the exact same result...
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+sorry, i vote for backport instead
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> even though there are several bugs in the mga1 implementation (believe me, i
+</I>&gt;<i> know!) i would still say no, because my wife would kill me if her older
+</I>&gt;<i> projects would not produce the exact same result...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sorry, i vote for backport instead
+</I>
+Take into consideration that additional to the 157 bugs[1] fixed in
+0.8.2 (which 46 where crashes), 0.8.2.1 fixes  17 more bugs (11 of
+them are crashes) and has no new features[2]. So we are talking of a
+release that covers 164 bug fixes from which  57 are crashes, versus
+only 6 features (which IMO as a non professional in the video editing
+field are minor). This means that more than the 96% of the work done
+on those two versions was in bug fixing rather than new features, I
+don't understand why this can't classify as an update instead of a
+backport.
+
+[1]<A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2</A>
+[2]<A HREF="http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2.1">http://kdenlive.org/discover/0.8.2.1</A>
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Le 13/12/2011 23:27, jcc a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a spec file, to install icons, if you copy the image in xpm format in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/share/pixmap how do you update the image?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I search a command like %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache -q
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor; but for a pixmap image.
+</I>&gt;<i> This update the gtk image *cache*, for gtk apps, not the image itself. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Where are those xpm icons used, and are you trying to update exactly ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have a problem with the icon of the application.
+
+First I tried to save the icon image in pixmap directory but no icon 
+appears on the desktop menu bar.
+
+Then I replaced with these instructions and still the same problem.
+
+mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor
+convert axiomicon.png  $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/icons/hicolor/axiom.png
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+
+even with the usual instruction update, it doesn't work:
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+%post
+
+#update icon cache
+touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor
+if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
+   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache -q %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor;
+fi
+update-desktop-database &amp;&gt; /dev/null || :
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+%postun
+# update icon cache
+touch --no-create %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor
+if [ -x %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then
+   %{_bindir}/gtk-update-icon-cache -q %{_datadir}/icons/hicolor;
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+If you have another idea ...
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+    <B>Dan Fandrich</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I have a problem with the icon of the application.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> First I tried to save the icon image in pixmap directory but no icon
+</I>&gt;<i> appears on the desktop menu bar.
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Le 14/12/2011 21:22, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Take into consideration that additional to the 157 bugs[1] fixed in
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, let's not talk again and again of what is an update and what is a
+</I>&gt;<i> backport...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> New features -&gt; no update, that's our policy.
+</I>
+I know the policy and it allows exceptions (no matter if this exact
+case isn't listed there but it should IMO) but due to the HUGE amount
+of bug fixes and the tiny amount of new features was that mikala
+considered it was worth an update rather than a backport. If there
+where few bug fixes then it could be possible to cherry pick them and
+patch the package available on mga 1 but in this case it isn't.
+
+Also AFAIK, the policy is not something written in stone and up to
+discussion if there's a case for it.
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+    <B>magnus</B> 
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> mga2]# cat /proc/asound/cards
+ 0 [VT82xx         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA VIA VT82xx
+                      HDA VIA VT82xx at 0xfbffc000 irq 17
+ 1 [Bt878          ]: Bt87x - Brooktree Bt878
+                      Brooktree Bt878 at 0xf7fff000, irq 17
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> mga2]# getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+getfacl: Entferne f&#252;hrende '/' von absoluten Pfadnamen
+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
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+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
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+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D1p
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
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+# file: dev/snd/pcmC1D0c
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
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+# file: dev/snd/pcmC1D1c
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> mga2]# fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> mga2]#
+-------------- next part --------------
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 14 december 2011 22:02:41 schreef Juan Luis Baptiste:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jose Jorge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 14/12/2011 21:22, Juan Luis Baptiste a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Take into consideration that additional to the 157 bugs[1] fixed in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please, let's not talk again and again of what is an update and what is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; backport...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; New features -&gt; no update, that's our policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I know the policy and it allows exceptions (no matter if this exact
+</I>&gt;<i> case isn't listed there but it should IMO) but due to the HUGE amount
+</I>&gt;<i> of bug fixes and the tiny amount of new features was that mikala
+</I>&gt;<i> considered it was worth an update rather than a backport. If there
+</I>&gt;<i> where few bug fixes then it could be possible to cherry pick them and
+</I>&gt;<i> patch the package available on mga 1 but in this case it isn't.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also AFAIK, the policy is not something written in stone and up to
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion if there's a case for it.
+</I>
+i agree with you here, but with kdenlive after the numerous crashes, corrupted 
+project files, etc... there's just too much that can go wrong with even bugfixes 
+imho, let alone new features.
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+if my wife wasn't using kdenlive i would've said, that it was a maintainers 
+nightmare to get all these separately fixed with bugfixes and testing, and to go 
+ahead (and i believe i said so in the past), but now that the project is 
+almost ready and we've had our share of bugs/issues, i'm sorry, i don't want 
+to have ANY risk whatsoever to this project file and i don't think it'll load 
+correctly, or even have the same rendered result... so, no, sorry, i know it's 
+buggy and crashy and stuff, but if you do update to this, i'll not update this. 
+it's just too risky.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 09:04:39PM -0500, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's really hard to test for dependencies like this, as the person
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; building the package will have working versions of everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be tricky, but entirely possible to be tested automatically.
+</I>
+Then show us. 
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+The infrastructure is handled with puppet, you can send patchs, or just
+send the script to run to test everything and produce report, we can
+take care of integrating it.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:30:33AM +0000, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> During an upgrade urpmi starts by updating what it uses (perl, rpm,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few other things, itself) and then restarts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That has nothing to do with the problem in general. This same issue could
+</I>&gt;<i> occur with any package that relies on a newer library (even just a newer
+</I>&gt;<i> point version) but without mentioning that newer library version as a
+</I>&gt;<i> versioned require. That's the more general issue of which my perl-using
+</I>&gt;<i> example was but one example.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would not be prevented. The result would be that you need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install thousands of packages in the same transaction as they are all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> required by each other, and nothing would prevent your CGI from being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at the end of the transaction which will happen hours or days later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All packages are not required by each other. On my system, 13% of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> are leaves that nothing depends on. 15% depend on nothing other than
+</I>&gt;<i> glibc, libstdc++ or bash. Another 14% have a single other dependency, in
+</I>&gt;<i> most cases a tightly-coupled library built from the same source code. So
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to argue that a transaction must install thousands of packages is
+</I>&gt;<i> specious. &#160;And RPM's installation sequence is designed to minimize the
+</I>&gt;<i> window when software is unusable during an upgrade.
+</I>
+13% of packages may be leaves that nothing depends on, but they will
+depend on something and need to be updated at the same time that what
+they depend on,  so this is not relevant.
+
+Then you list 29% not depending on much other things, meaning 71% have
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11 December 2011 03:58, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; URL         : <A HREF="http://www.libconf.net/">http://www.libconf.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Summary     : Configuration file abstraction layer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Libconf is a wrapper to the main configuration files of the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's mainly a generic parser plus many templates.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL seems wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like dams did not renew the domain :)
+</I>
+The project is dead since several years. If people want something
+similar there is augeas and perl-Augeas-Config.
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+( <A HREF="http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-Augeas/lib/Config/Augeas.pm">http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-Augeas/lib/Config/Augeas.pm</A> )
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, init=/bin/systemd is forced by drakxtools on each kernel install,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if /bin/systemd exists (which means always, since systemd is required by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> basesystem). See /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is pretty bad, we should not do it if we still want to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit compatibility in Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh boy, I certainly wasn't aware of that bit of code. It seems crazy
+</I>&gt;<i> code to me (duplicating what installing systemd-sysvinit package does.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is literally no need for that whole section, so I'd just strip it out.
+</I>
+Done in drakx SVN
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> if my wife wasn't using kdenlive i would've said, that it was a maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> nightmare to get all these separately fixed with bugfixes and testing, and to go
+</I>&gt;<i> ahead (and i believe i said so in the past), but now that the project is
+</I>&gt;<i> almost ready and we've had our share of bugs/issues, i'm sorry, i don't want
+</I>&gt;<i> to have ANY risk whatsoever to this project file and i don't think it'll load
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly, or even have the same rendered result... so, no, sorry, i know it's
+</I>&gt;<i> buggy and crashy and stuff, but if you do update to this, i'll not update this.
+</I>&gt;<i> it's just too risky.
+</I>
+I understand your position too, but wouldn't make more sense if you
+could make a backup copy of your wife's project and try this latest
+version and help us verify if it has any important issues with it ?
+none of us are video editors, so your wife's input on this would
+definitively be very important on taking a decision on what to do here
+:<i>)
+</I>
+Make here an honorary QA member ;)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if my wife wasn't using kdenlive i would've said, that it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maintainers nightmare to get all these separately fixed with bugfixes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and testing, and to go ahead (and i believe i said so in the past), but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now that the project is almost ready and we've had our share of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bugs/issues, i'm sorry, i don't want to have ANY risk whatsoever to this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; project file and i don't think it'll load correctly, or even have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same rendered result... so, no, sorry, i know it's buggy and crashy and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stuff, but if you do update to this, i'll not update this. it's just too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; risky.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand your position too, but wouldn't make more sense if you
+</I>&gt;<i> could make a backup copy of your wife's project and try this latest
+</I>&gt;<i> version and help us verify if it has any important issues with it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> none of us are video editors, so your wife's input on this would
+</I>&gt;<i> definitively be very important on taking a decision on what to do here
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Make here an honorary QA member ;)
+</I>
+i'm quite bad at QA, with mga1 i was at pre-release testing and twice i found 
+a big error, which appeared to have been my own damn fault... like using wrong 
+isos and stuff
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+but i'm definately gonna test this one, either way. i mean, next time my wife 
+will want a version with less bugs...
+
+it's up for cauldron, right? too bad backports isn't ready yet...
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+&gt;<i> but i'm definately gonna test this one, either way. i mean, next time my wife
+</I>&gt;<i> will want a version with less bugs...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's up for cauldron, right? too bad backports isn't ready yet...
+</I>
+Yep, but you can download the src rpm and rebuild it in mga 1.
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+    <B>Michael Scherer</B> 
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+<PRE>Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 12:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> You're explaining why having orphan packages is bad and it's hard to disagree, 
+</I>&gt;<i> but I fail to see why such a mailing list for people who are ready to devote 
+</I>&gt;<i> some time to orphan packages would make things worse. It's not because it's 
+</I>&gt;<i> not the ideal solution that it's bad, is it?
+</I>
+Because such a mailling list would just incite people to add package and
+never remove them, because &quot;that's not really unmaintained, that's
+collectively maintained&quot;. Which is just a non sense.
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+That's how it was in Mandriva, so the proposition is just not helping.
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+Each time a cleaning was attempted, someone said &quot;but come on, we are
+taking care of it collectively, so you cannot remove, it could still
+help&quot;. And so almost nothing was removed.
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+I see no reason to think it will be different. Same situation, same
+spirit, same users, same outcome. 
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+Either people agree that we should have no orphans, and then the list is
+useless, or they think we should keep orphans, and then this is causing
+issues. Middle ground ( like &quot;let's keep orphan for X months&quot; ) are just
+a variation of the first one, and so we would just be discussing the
+duration.
+
+So let's try to make a proposal, if there is a list, after how many
+months should a package be removed from the repository if not maintained
+( and by maintained, I do not say &quot;not changes or anything&quot;, I really
+mean &quot;no one listed as maintainer&quot; ) ?
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+-- 
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but i'm definately gonna test this one, either way. i mean, next time my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wife will want a version with less bugs...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's up for cauldron, right? too bad backports isn't ready yet...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, but you can download the src rpm and rebuild it in mga 1.
+</I>
+yes, of course i can ( i'm a packager too, so i should know this )
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 14 december 2011 23:19:40 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 10 d&#233;cembre 2011 &#224; 12:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You're explaining why having orphan packages is bad and it's hard to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; disagree, but I fail to see why such a mailing list for people who are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ready to devote some time to orphan packages would make things worse.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's not because it's not the ideal solution that it's bad, is it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Because such a mailling list would just incite people to add package and
+</I>&gt;<i> never remove them, because &quot;that's not really unmaintained, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> collectively maintained&quot;. Which is just a non sense.
+</I>
+like mysql
+
+&gt;<i> That's how it was in Mandriva, so the proposition is just not helping.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Each time a cleaning was attempted, someone said &quot;but come on, we are
+</I>&gt;<i> taking care of it collectively, so you cannot remove, it could still
+</I>&gt;<i> help&quot;. And so almost nothing was removed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I see no reason to think it will be different. Same situation, same
+</I>&gt;<i> spirit, same users, same outcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Either people agree that we should have no orphans, and then the list is
+</I>&gt;<i> useless, or they think we should keep orphans, and then this is causing
+</I>&gt;<i> issues. Middle ground ( like &quot;let's keep orphan for X months&quot; ) are just
+</I>&gt;<i> a variation of the first one, and so we would just be discussing the
+</I>&gt;<i> duration.
+</I>
+imho this mailing list is only good to notify other of maintainer who aren't 
+active with their package, and to let people see: &quot;oops, this one is 
+unmaintained, but i need it, so i'll maintain it.&quot;
+
+so imo it should contain information: maintainership (if any), # bugs, perhaps 
+even other packages that require or buildrequire it...
+
+i think this mailing list would be good, (not only for having no maintainer)
+
+&gt;<i> So let's try to make a proposal, if there is a list, after how many
+</I>&gt;<i> months should a package be removed from the repository if not maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> ( and by maintained, I do not say &quot;not changes or anything&quot;, I really
+</I>&gt;<i> mean &quot;no one listed as maintainer&quot; ) ?
+</I>
+otoh, this is difficult, eg: 
+
+mysql have no maintainer atm
+i want to provide mariadb as alternative, and be maintainer of that. (and drop 
+mysql)
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+but a convergence time is required, imho.
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+so, i would say, packages could be dropped if no maintainer is set for 3 
+months unless someone is doing the work to get this dropped as a result of 
+something else.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:31:36PM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 14 December 2011 10:14, Dan Fandrich &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dan at coneharvesters.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I can understand that my particular case is unsupported, but I described
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; a different, supported, scenario that would also fail due to this problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; To reiterate, a distribution upgrade from 1 to 2 (once it's finalized)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; could involve urpmi first upgrading the perl-dependent package but avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; installing the new perl itself until the end of the upgrade, which could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; hours or (if interrupted) days later.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is bullshit.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; urpmi will upgrade perl itself first (with glibc, rpm &amp; perl-URPM).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What does perl have to do with this?  It's a general problem that could
+</I>&gt;<i> happen with any upgrade where version dependencies aren't listed correctly.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; During the entirety of that time,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that package would be unusable. If that package happened to be a key CGI
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; script for a web site, the entire site would be down for that entire time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is totally unrealistic.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If someone is fool enough to perform a live upgrade on a server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still serving requests, it deserves being shoot. Twice.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; One usually pulls a server out of trafic, upgrade it, then put it back
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in use. And keeps HA by keeping another old server responding.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's not a valid use case.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Once again, you're looking at this specific example and missing the general
+</I>&gt;<i> case. This problem can happen even when installing a batch of bug fixes within
+</I>&gt;<i> a single release. The time span would hopefully me more on the order of minutes
+</I>&gt;<i> than hours, but the problem remains the same.
+</I>
+We usually avoid pushing new incompatible perl version as update on
+stable releases.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This will break on every distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Only those with broken dependencies. Plenty of people use Debian unstable, for
+</I>&gt;<i> example, but in my experience, their dependencies are much more extensively
+</I>&gt;<i> versioned.  Libraries of the same SONAME are generally backwards-compatible,
+</I>&gt;<i> so there's nothing fundamentally preventing this from working. But, it
+</I>
+Dependencies based on SONAME are already added, because it can be done
+automatically.
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+&gt;<i> does mean extra effort and I understand if that's why it isn't being
+</I>&gt;<i> done. But if that's the case, then when are versioned dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> ever acceptable?  The arguments I've been hearing (i.e. never try to mix
+</I>&gt;<i> releases &amp; don't bother trying to use your system during any kind of urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> update) ultimately mean that they could be entirely removed everywhere.
+</I>
+Versionned dependencies are added when they are needed to allow correct
+updates on stable release or upgrades from one release to an other
+(installing all available updates, not only some of them), for example
+to require installing some packages in the same transaction. Or when
+the dependencies can be detected and added automatically. But I don't
+think you should expect to be able to take any package from any release
+and install it on an other release with accurate dependencies.
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+<PRE>On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if my wife wasn't using kdenlive i would've said, that it was a maintainers 
+</I>&gt;<i> nightmare to get all these separately fixed with bugfixes and testing, and to go 
+</I>&gt;<i> ahead (and i believe i said so in the past), but now that the project is 
+</I>&gt;<i> almost ready and we've had our share of bugs/issues, i'm sorry, i don't want 
+</I>&gt;<i> to have ANY risk whatsoever to this project file and i don't think it'll load 
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly, or even have the same rendered result... so, no, sorry, i know it's 
+</I>&gt;<i> buggy and crashy and stuff, but if you do update to this, i'll not update this. 
+</I>&gt;<i> it's just too risky.
+</I>
+Interesting. So you only care about bugfree updates for software you use,
+otherwise it's &quot;go ahead&quot; ?
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> does mean extra effort and I understand if that's why it isn't being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done. But if that's the case, then when are versioned dependencies
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ever acceptable?  The arguments I've been hearing (i.e. never try to mix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> releases &amp; don't bother trying to use your system during any kind of urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update) ultimately mean that they could be entirely removed everywhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Versionned dependencies are added when they are needed to allow correct
+</I>&gt;<i> updates on stable release or upgrades from one release to an other
+</I>&gt;<i> (installing all available updates, not only some of them), for example
+</I>&gt;<i> to require installing some packages in the same transaction. Or when
+</I>&gt;<i> the dependencies can be detected and added automatically. But I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think you should expect to be able to take any package from any release
+</I>&gt;<i> and install it on an other release with accurate dependencies.
+</I>
+And in this case, versionned deps are required for the perl XS modules.
+This is usually enforced by find-requires which adds
+perlapi-&lt;perl_version&gt; requires. But drakxtools modules are not
+installed in a standard path, and thus not found by find-requires.
+(please also see replies in the bug report)
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
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+&gt;<i> am2605 (Andrew Myers), who has been waiting over a week,
+</I>&gt;<i> a longtime Fedora, a web developer, interested in packaging related to
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome, Java, Ecliple among others, teaching himself Mageia packaging basics.
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+That's me, and obviously that should be &quot;Eclipse&quot;!  I'll fix the wiki page now!
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+</I>&gt;<i> So let's try to make a proposal, if there is a list, after how many
+</I>&gt;<i> months should a package be removed from the repository if not maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> ( and by maintained, I do not say &quot;not changes or anything&quot;, I really
+</I>&gt;<i> mean &quot;no one listed as maintainer&quot; ) ?
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+In my opinion, what we should remove is packages that have important
+bugs not fixed for a long time. If a package has no official maintainer
+listed, but has all its bugs fixed quickly, I see no reason to remove it.
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if my wife wasn't using kdenlive i would've said, that it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maintainers nightmare to get all these separately fixed with bugfixes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and testing, and to go ahead (and i believe i said so in the past), but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now that the project is almost ready and we've had our share of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bugs/issues, i'm sorry, i don't want to have ANY risk whatsoever to this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; project file and i don't think it'll load correctly, or even have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same rendered result... so, no, sorry, i know it's buggy and crashy and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stuff, but if you do update to this, i'll not update this. it's just too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; risky.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting. So you only care about bugfree updates for software you use,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise it's &quot;go ahead&quot; ?
+</I>
+heh, it sure looks that way.
+
+now that i think about it further, even if there was only updates, the sheer 
+amount of updates still would have a possible effect... so even if there were 
+only bugfix updates, i still wouldn't update it, until after wife's project 
+finish...
+
+for new people, it's definately advised to use this new version, but there are 
+in fact alot of bugs in there...
+
+i'm a bit torn either way, tbh... maybe it _is_ better to update this anyway, 
+so people don't start with a buggy version, hoping that people won't update 
+this if they already have started working on such projects...
+
+maybe people only start working with kdenlive from start of new release, so 
+maybe it's better not to update...
+
+yes, i think there's higher chance of that...
+
+in general, i would say this is at least in this case a careful decision by 
+maintainer, but if agreed upon, it should be extremely heavily tested.
+
+if QA doesn't have time to do these extreeme testing, then it shouldn't be 
+done. and only backport.
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+    <B>Manuel Hiebel</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So let's try to make a proposal, if there is a list, after how many
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; months should a package be removed from the repository if not maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( and by maintained, I do not say &quot;not changes or anything&quot;, I really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mean &quot;no one listed as maintainer&quot; ) ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion, what we should remove is packages that have important
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs not fixed for a long time. If a package has no official maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> listed, but has all its bugs fixed quickly, I see no reason to remove it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>And what to do with package that have a maintainer, but the packager
+does not fix the bugs or is inactive ? :D
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Sound card is c-media and is properly detected in both harddrake and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alsaconf and uses the snd_cmipci driver and is set to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pulseaudio.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Driver and modules are loaded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lspcidrake -v |grep AUDIO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_cmipci      : C-Media Electronics Inc|CM8738 [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (vendor:13f6 device:0111 subv:584d subd:3731) (rev: 10)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsmod |grep snd 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_cmipci             40460  0 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gameport               14963  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_pcm                84041  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_page_alloc         18101  1 snd_pcm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_opl3_lib           18620  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_timer              28855  2 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_hwdep              13515  1 snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_mpu401_uart        13992  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_rawmidi            29657  1 snd_mpu401_uart
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_seq_device         14136  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd                    70007  8
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; snd_cmipci,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; soundcore              14491  1 snd
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But the card is not detected by pulseaudio
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Running PulseAudio Volumne Control:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shows only for Dummy Output
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Configuration:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shows: No cards available for configuration  
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Generally this relates to a permissions issue (although it can also
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate a problem with dbus)
+</I>&gt;<i> getfacl
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. cat /proc/asound/cards
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">charles at SuperSize</A> ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards
+ 0 [CMI8768        ]: CMI8738-MC8 - C-Media CMI8768
+                      C-Media CMI8768 at 0x9c00, irq 18
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">charles at SuperSize</A> ~]$ getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+:<i> Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
+</I># file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D1p
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D2c
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
+# file: dev/snd/pcmC0D2p
+# owner: root
+# group: audio
+user::rw-
+group::rw-
+other::---
+
+I do not use sudo so there is no output for the 3rd query but from #2
+it would appear that it is indeed a permission issue as user charles
+is not listed as having access.
+
+I've worked around the issue (a band-aid only) by adding user charles to
+the audio group and again have working sound.
+
+
+    Charles
+
+
+-- 
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+FvwmAuto just appeared one day, nobody knows how.
+	-- FvwmAuto(1x)
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+Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 'Could not find a mirror from mirrorlist $MIRRORLIST'  
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless you got a laptop, moving between very different networks, and 
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading very large payloads, using a dynamic mirrors list is
+</I>&gt;<i> asking for troubles without significant advantages.
+</I>
+I only use it for initial set-up, just have not gotten on around to
+removing/disabling it.
+
+Primary usage mirrors are added using
+--distrib --mirrorlist &lt;url&gt;
+
+
+    Charles
+
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+		-- Mark Twain
+----------------------
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Samuel Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 13 d&#233;cembre 2011 05:49:45, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have several new packagers -- barjac and malo (thanks to mentor
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shlomif), and eatdirt (thanks to mentor obgr_seneca).  All of whom are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already active maintainers (with at least one package).  (malo has over
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 50.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We have 5 apprentice candidates, all eagerly awaiting their mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to another thread, I guess that dmorgan is now hurdman's mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4 left :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> yes done, and account created. I started to find work to do for him
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Thanks.  I'll update the tables :)
+
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+<PRE>You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure if I should post a new message or reply this thread, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+Yes, posting to this thread is expected :)
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Best Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>-- 
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+&gt;<i> On 13 December 2011 15:49, andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> am2605 (Andrew Myers), who has been waiting over a week,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a longtime Fedora, a web developer, interested in packaging related to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gnome, Java, Ecliple among others, teaching himself Mageia packaging basics.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> That's me, and obviously that should be &quot;Eclipse&quot;!  I'll fix the wiki page now!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>That was my error -- obviously I'm not the best typist ;)
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+&gt;<i> ajunior (Adjamiltion J&#250;nior),
+</I>&gt;<i> who is interested in maintaining packages related to pinpoint, gzip, or
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+&gt;<i> And what to do with package that have a maintainer, but the packager
+</I>&gt;<i> does not fix the bugs or is inactive ? :D
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+Our rsync cronjob returned a failure message:
+&quot;rsync: opendir &quot;/iso/cauldron/old&quot; (in Mageia) failed: Permission denied (13)&quot;
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+The result is a folder '/iso/cauldron/old' with strange owner: group
+uid/gid and no contents. We are syncing with <A HREF="ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org">ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org</A>
+which is syncing from rsync.mageia.org. At linuxcabal.org this folder
+is not accessible (permission denied). distrib-coffee does not show
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+&gt;<i> Mirror: ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/
+</I>&gt;<i> Our rsync cronjob returned a failure message:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;rsync: opendir &quot;/iso/cauldron/old&quot; (in Mageia) failed: Permission denied (13)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The result is a folder '/iso/cauldron/old' with strange owner: group
+</I>&gt;<i> uid/gid and no contents. We are syncing with <A HREF="ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org">ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> which is syncing from rsync.mageia.org. At linuxcabal.org this folder
+</I>&gt;<i> is not accessible (permission denied). distrib-coffee does not show
+</I>&gt;<i> this folder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any explanation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It was left there by mistake, I've removed the /old from primary mirror, 
+so it should be ok after next sync
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+&gt;<i> And what to do with package that have a maintainer, but the packager
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+</I>List them here.. lets make a wall of blame &gt;:)
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+I tried to upload RPM4-0.25.
+It builds fine locally.
+However it failed on the BS:
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates_testing/20111214235214.tv.valstar.20063/log/perl-RPM4-0.25-2.mga2/build.0.20111214235303.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates_testing/20111214235214.tv.valstar.20063/log/perl-RPM4-0.25-2.mga2/build.0.20111214235303.log</A>
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+It looks like the test suite failed to load the module:
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+#   Failed test 'use RPM4;'
+#   at t/01compile.t line 5.
+#     Tried to use 'RPM4'.
+#     Error:  Not a CODE reference at
+/usr/lib/perl5/5.14.2/i386-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 213.
+# END failed--call queue aborted at
+/home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/RPM4-0.25/blib/lib/RPM4.pm line 213.
+# Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 2.
+# BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 4) line 2.
+
+However it works locally with iurt with an up to date local mirror.
+I cannot reproduce this.
+There's a bogus warning about undefined symbols but it's not the issue.
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+Any idea?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to unsatisfied xserver-abi(xinput-12)&gt;= 2) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> let it remove both of theese, as they are obsolete, and it should be ok.
+</I>
+Then the X11 vbox package should be obsoleted.
+However, XFdrake'll try to install it and fails...
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+&gt;<i> I tried to upload RPM4-0.25.
+</I>&gt;<i> It builds fine locally.
+</I>&gt;<i> However it failed on the BS:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates_testing/20111214235214.tv.valstar.20063/log/perl-RPM4-0.25-2.mga2/build.0.20111214235303.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/updates_testing/20111214235214.tv.valstar.20063/log/perl-RPM4-0.25-2.mga2/build.0.20111214235303.log</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like the test suite failed to load the module:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> #   Failed test 'use RPM4;'
+</I>&gt;<i> #   at t/01compile.t line 5.
+</I>&gt;<i> #     Tried to use 'RPM4'.
+</I>&gt;<i> #     Error:  Not a CODE reference at
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/perl5/5.14.2/i386-linux-thread-multi/DynaLoader.pm line 213.
+</I>&gt;<i> # END failed--call queue aborted at
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/BUILD/RPM4-0.25/blib/lib/RPM4.pm line 213.
+</I>&gt;<i> # Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> # BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 4) line 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> However it works locally with iurt with an up to date local mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i> I cannot reproduce this.
+</I>&gt;<i> There's a bogus warning about undefined symbols but it's not the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea?
+</I>
+it rings a bell - i think i remember encountering this.
+
+iirc, it's related to CFLAGS being set to sthg different from the
+compilation. but it should be fixed by the patch
+perl-5.14.0-fix_eumm_append_to_config_cflags_instead_of_overriding.patch
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+i may be totally wrong, of course. :)
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+&gt;<i> Versionned dependencies are added when they are needed to allow correct
+</I>&gt;<i> updates on stable release or upgrades from one release to an other
+</I>&gt;<i> (installing all available updates, not only some of them), for example
+</I>&gt;<i> to require installing some packages in the same transaction. Or when
+</I>&gt;<i> the dependencies can be detected and added automatically. But I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think you should expect to be able to take any package from any release
+</I>&gt;<i> and install it on an other release with accurate dependencies.
+</I>
+This is exactly the kind of policy statement I was hoping to find somewhere. 
+If this is the consensus, I'm happy to update the wiki with this added
+detail.
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+But when you say &quot;from one release to another&quot;, presumably you want to
+limit how many releases back you want to bother supporting. There's not
+much point in checking for a minimum version that hasn't shipped for 5 years.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Charles A Edwards at 15/12/11 02:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:27:55 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sound card is c-media and is properly detected in both harddrake and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alsaconf and uses the snd_cmipci driver and is set to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pulseaudio.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Driver and modules are loaded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lspcidrake -v |grep AUDIO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_cmipci      : C-Media Electronics Inc|CM8738 [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (vendor:13f6 device:0111 subv:584d subd:3731) (rev: 10)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at SuperSize</A> ~]# lsmod |grep snd 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_cmipci             40460  0 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gameport               14963  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_pcm                84041  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_page_alloc         18101  1 snd_pcm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_opl3_lib           18620  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_timer              28855  2 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_hwdep              13515  1 snd_opl3_lib
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_mpu401_uart        13992  1 snd_cmipci
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_rawmidi            29657  1 snd_mpu401_uart
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_seq_device         14136  2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd                    70007  8
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> snd_cmipci,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soundcore              14491  1 snd
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But the card is not detected by pulseaudio
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Running PulseAudio Volumne Control:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shows only for Dummy Output
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Configuration:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shows: No cards available for configuration  
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Generally this relates to a permissions issue (although it can also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> indicate a problem with dbus)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getfacl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. cat /proc/asound/cards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">charles at SuperSize</A> ~]$ cat /proc/asound/cards
+</I>&gt;<i>  0 [CMI8768        ]: CMI8738-MC8 - C-Media CMI8768
+</I>&gt;<i>                       C-Media CMI8768 at 0x9c00, irq 18
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">charles at SuperSize</A> ~]$ getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*
+</I>&gt;<i> : Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
+</I>&gt;<i> # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0c
+</I>&gt;<i> # owner: root
+</I>&gt;<i> # group: audio
+</I>&gt;<i> user::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> group::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> other::---
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
+</I>&gt;<i> # owner: root
+</I>&gt;<i> # group: audio
+</I>&gt;<i> user::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> group::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> other::---
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D1p
+</I>&gt;<i> # owner: root
+</I>&gt;<i> # group: audio
+</I>&gt;<i> user::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> group::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> other::---
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D2c
+</I>&gt;<i> # owner: root
+</I>&gt;<i> # group: audio
+</I>&gt;<i> user::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> group::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> other::---
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # file: dev/snd/pcmC0D2p
+</I>&gt;<i> # owner: root
+</I>&gt;<i> # group: audio
+</I>&gt;<i> user::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> group::rw-
+</I>&gt;<i> other::---
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not use sudo so there is no output for the 3rd query but from #2
+</I>&gt;<i> it would appear that it is indeed a permission issue as user charles
+</I>&gt;<i> is not listed as having access.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've worked around the issue (a band-aid only) by adding user charles to
+</I>&gt;<i> the audio group and again have working sound.
+</I>
+Yeah this is a solution but it only fixes audio and this problem affects
+way more than just audio... it's just that audio tends to be the first
+thing people notice :)
+
+So some follow-up questions for you:
+ 1) Is this a clean install?
+ 2) Did you upgrade from mga1?
+ 3) Are you using systemd?
+ 4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;
+ 5) Do you have a /etc/pam.d/system-auth.rpmnew?
+ 6) Have you properly fixed up system-auth.rpmnew to include the missing
+stuff?
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 14/12/11 21:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, init=/bin/systemd is forced by drakxtools on each kernel install,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if /bin/systemd exists (which means always, since systemd is required by
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> basesystem). See /usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is pretty bad, we should not do it if we still want to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sysvinit compatibility in Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh boy, I certainly wasn't aware of that bit of code. It seems crazy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code to me (duplicating what installing systemd-sysvinit package does.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is literally no need for that whole section, so I'd just strip it out.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Done in drakx SVN
+</I>
+Sweet thanks. I was gonna do it last night but didn't get round to it
+and as it turns out you'd already done it anyway :D
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath skrev 15.12.2011 09:10:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mirror: ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Our rsync cronjob returned a failure message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;rsync: opendir &quot;/iso/cauldron/old&quot; (in Mageia) failed: Permission denied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (13)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The result is a folder '/iso/cauldron/old' with strange owner: group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uid/gid and no contents. We are syncing with <A HREF="ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org">ftp://ftp.linuxcabal.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is syncing from rsync.mageia.org. At linuxcabal.org this folder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is not accessible (permission denied). distrib-coffee does not show
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this folder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any explanation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was left there by mistake, I've removed the /old from primary mirror, so
+</I>&gt;<i> it should be ok after next sync
+</I>
+Thx Thomas, it's ok now. Sorry if I was complaining too early :)
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+<PRE>Le 15/12/2011 10:36, Dan Fandrich a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:37:37PM +0100, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Versionned dependencies are added when they are needed to allow correct
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates on stable release or upgrades from one release to an other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (installing all available updates, not only some of them), for example
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to require installing some packages in the same transaction. Or when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the dependencies can be detected and added automatically. But I don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think you should expect to be able to take any package from any release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and install it on an other release with accurate dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is exactly the kind of policy statement I was hoping to find somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> If this is the consensus, I'm happy to update the wiki with this added
+</I>&gt;<i> detail.
+</I>Versionned dependencies are also useful when backporting packages.
+
+&gt;<i> But when you say &quot;from one release to another&quot;, presumably you want to
+</I>&gt;<i> limit how many releases back you want to bother supporting. There's not
+</I>&gt;<i> much point in checking for a minimum version that hasn't shipped for 5 years.
+</I>Well, upgrading issues are not strictly limited to versionned 
+dependencies. The undefined consensus sofar seems to be 'mandatory for 
+latest stable release, eventually for the previous one, mostly useless 
+otherwise'.
+-- 
+BOFH excuse #270:
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+Someone has messed up the kernel pointers
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia">n54 at gmx.com
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+If I'm not mistaken only 2 packages to go for myspell and dozen for 
+aspell. If there are lacking packages on the list, please up-date. Some 
+packages like Firefox were already cleaned.
+The current status of the project is here 
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Consolidate_spell_checkers">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Consolidate_spell_checkers</A>
+
+Please try to move from myspell to hunspell, and from aspell to enchant. 
+Enchant is a wrapper for spell checkers. You can find more details how 
+to do it eg. in Fedora specs. In some cases like perl-Text-Aspell there 
+is no point to force it to use a different library.
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+<PRE>On 07.12.2011 12:01, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 3 December 2011 19:54, zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le samedi 3 d&#233;cembre 2011 00:06:31, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, shouldn't we regenerate initrds when installing radeon-firmware for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the first time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes : I had this problem testing Alpha1 DVD on a RV100 hardware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no firmware installed as nonfree repo is not enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no X after install (I should have tested in the installer?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - installed radeon firmware, reboot, still no X
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - updated initrd, then it works
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi maybe should we alter drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 &amp; harddrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> we could run modinfo on the module for the card, check whether
+</I>&gt;<i> the reported firmware in the output are available or not, and
+</I>&gt;<i> enable kms accordingly (with defaulting to vesa instead of radeon
+</I>&gt;<i> on r700+ due to the faillure to run without KMS support)
+</I>
+Here you say r700+, and on bug #3466 you say r600+, but according to
+<A HREF="http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeatureUMS">http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeatureUMS</A> they should work with UMS.
+
+Do you have some additional information on this that indicates we should
+disallow UMS on r600 or r700 as well?
+
+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+<PRE>On 05.12.2011 22:37, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 02/12/11 21:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 15:57, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall I apply it?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to pick up on this patch, here is a conversation I just had with
+</I>&gt;<i> Harald on #dracut IRC:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> coling&gt; haraldh, the &quot;more interesting&quot; question (for various values of
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;more interesting&quot;) was about a how hostonly works.... at the moment it
+</I>&gt;<i> only includes modules that are already loaded... but in some cases you
+</I>&gt;<i> want to include modules that are not currently loaded but do belong on
+</I>&gt;<i> the h/w in question.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; haraldh, one of the patches (that we believe might just have to
+</I>&gt;<i> be a local one for the way we do things) is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; It checks the module aliases against the current h/w. We do
+</I>&gt;<i> this when we generate the initrd from the installer and include the KMS
+</I>&gt;<i> modules even although they are not currently loaded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; I'm not sure if this is a mechanism you want to consider
+</I>&gt;<i> supporting? e.g. perhaps &quot;hostonly&quot; mode could change to do things this
+</I>&gt;<i> way (via modaliases) and a new &quot;loadedonly&quot; mode could suppliment
+</I>&gt;<i> hostonly to give the current behaviour?
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; Or perhaps you could make hostonly={no|yes|loaded|hardware}
+</I>&gt;<i> where yes is just a synonym for &quot;loaded&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; (I didn't write that patch by the way, so i'm just picking up
+</I>&gt;<i> on the general principal with a view to seeing if the general concept
+</I>&gt;<i> can be upstreamed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; hostonly, hmm, yes, greping for currently used modules was the
+</I>&gt;<i> easiest and fastest way
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; to be more correct, we should do it with the aliases like in
+</I>&gt;<i> your patch
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; but that is costly and takes a lot of time
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also the modprobe.conf.d is something one would want
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also install possible helper tools there
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; so, if you want to factor that one out in a module filter
+</I>&gt;<i> function, send it to the initramfs mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; any help in that area is appreciated and most likely merged :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you fancy working on this, I'm sure it'll get upstreamed :)
+</I>
+I might take a look at this.
+
+Though, as Harald says, it might prove to be slow, since we'd have to
+compare every alias of every module considered by dracut against the
+system modalias list... Well, I guess we'll see.
+
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+Since mageia2 alpha is now out it's time to break cauldron a little bit :
+- i'll push soon, probably tonight (in french guiana time), qt 4.7.4
+without webkit
+  the idea is here to push as standalone qtwebkit2.2
+    --&gt; we'll need to fix BR for packages using qtwebkit (for example
+arora, rekonq etc etc )
+-&gt; i'll also push qt-mobility with some fixes since it was missing
+some requires (to be able to link to Qlocate/Qsensors &amp; others)
+ so the order is qt4, qt-mobility and then qtwebkit2.2
+ of course if someone wants to break it earlier feel free to push them :p
+
+- once all Qt packages are done i'll push KDE 4.7.90 ( KDE 4.8 beta2)
+   here there's again more splitted packages -&gt; kdeutils &amp;
+kdeaccessibily has been splitted upstream.
+   i did some changes regarding the requires on most of our kde -devel
+package essentially by removing redundant requires already added by
+our rpm.
+   I probably also removed some others requires so you might need to
+fix packages by adding thoses as BR for package relaying on
+kdelibs-devel &amp; others
+   (this work is already done for kde's packages )
+   Regarding the ibus functionnality (kdeplasma-addons) it seems now
+enable by defaut i hope i did not break anything.
+   Regarding kdebase4-runtime i did split out of nepomuk daemon
+outside so we'll be able to provides eventually live-cd without it
+installed to get some additional free space.
+   It would be nice if our non nepomuk users could test kde without
+this package installed to see if nothing wrongs happens (i did not
+find the time so far to test it correctly but i'll be able to do it
+probably next week)
+   I did not test either the new dolphin ui (we might need to
+reconfigure our default configuration files in mageia-kde4-config), so
+you might use the vanilla-kde4-config package to use the &#171; upstream &#187;
+kde's configuration on the xguest user for example.
+
+ While testing kde 4.8 (or waiting for it) you could give a try to
+tomahawk-player : it's a really amazing social media player.
+
+ Just in case someone stand up &amp; want to do the 8 hours kde's build
+you can have a look to the build order here :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_KDE_SC_build#Build_Order_for_KDE_SC_4.8">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_KDE_SC_build#Build_Order_for_KDE_SC_4.8</A>
+
+- Why not pushing Qt 4.8 when it's already out ?
+   In fact it was in my initial plan however i noticed that they were
+some bugs reports regardings some changes in Qt 4.8 which affects KDE
+4.8, so i prefered for now to stick to Qt 4.7.4.
+   Of course we're still be able to switch
+
+Regards,
+
+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
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+    <B>Julien</B> 
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+    <I>Thu Dec 15 14:36:48 CET 2011</I>
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+Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm not mistaken only 2 packages to go for myspell and dozen for 
+</I>&gt;<i> aspell. If there are lacking packages on the list, please up-date. Some 
+</I>&gt;<i> packages like Firefox were already cleaned.
+</I>&gt;<i> The current status of the project is here 
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Consolidate_spell_checkers">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Consolidate_spell_checkers</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please try to move from myspell to hunspell, and from aspell to enchant. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchant is a wrapper for spell checkers. You can find more details how 
+</I>&gt;<i> to do it eg. in Fedora specs. In some cases like perl-Text-Aspell there 
+</I>&gt;<i> is no point to force it to use a different library.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I will file bugs for each effected package.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Not sure you got my previous mail, but I've got few questions regarding
+the switch :
+ - aspell and myspell both provides enchant-dictionary and respectively
+  aspell-dictionary and myspell-dictionary but hunspell doesn't. Could we
+  have this kind of provides added to hunspell-xx ? When
+  suggested/required, it allows than at least one dictionary is installed.
+
+ - enchant doesn't find hunspell dict, it search in %datadir/dict/ooo
+   (where myspell install them) and hunspell dict are in %datadir/myspell/.
+   Should this be fixed at enchant level or at hunspell level ?
+
+regards
+Julien
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 15/12/11 13:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 05.12.2011 22:37, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 02/12/11 21:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 15:57, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 02.12.2011 13:28, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just a suggestion! Should we move wholesale to dracut?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's very easy to hack on, and Harald Hoyer has been very helpful and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> has merged some of the patches we carried locally (which I mostly copied
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Mandriva). Not sure why they were not upstreamed before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are still a couple patches we carry locally (soon to be less when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Harald pushes his git repo and I rebase), but they are pretty trivial,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understandable and easily maintainable (mostly they will be stylistic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tweaks and naming variations - i.e. very minor).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modprobe rules are included even in the initrd so tweaks there follow
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> through.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not necessarily against keeping mkinitrd, but I think we should take
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the time from now until the beta phase to obsolte mkinitrd and force
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone to use dracut in order to see if there are any issues and then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make the call before next beta or rc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> One thing that doesn't work with dracut yet is that it only includes the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> KMS drivers into initramfs if they are loaded at the time of initramfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> creation, causing unoptimal boot screen when a) initramfs created by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installer (I guess), and when b) user has switched a driver non-kms -&gt; kms.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This can probably be solved by some patching of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> modules.d/50plymouth/module-setup.sh, but I haven't looked at it closely
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Patch attached. I guess this would remain as a Mageia specific patch as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the wanted behavior is dependant on how the distribution handles driver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shall I apply it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to pick up on this patch, here is a conversation I just had with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Harald on #dracut IRC:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coling&gt; haraldh, the &quot;more interesting&quot; question (for various values of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;more interesting&quot;) was about a how hostonly works.... at the moment it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only includes modules that are already loaded... but in some cases you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want to include modules that are not currently loaded but do belong on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the h/w in question.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; haraldh, one of the patches (that we believe might just have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be a local one for the way we do things) is here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/dracut/current/SOURCES/0508-plymouth-Include-kms-modules-even-if-they-are-not-cu.patch?revision=175507&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; It checks the module aliases against the current h/w. We do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this when we generate the initrd from the installer and include the KMS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modules even although they are not currently loaded.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; I'm not sure if this is a mechanism you want to consider
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supporting? e.g. perhaps &quot;hostonly&quot; mode could change to do things this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> way (via modaliases) and a new &quot;loadedonly&quot; mode could suppliment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hostonly to give the current behaviour?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; Or perhaps you could make hostonly={no|yes|loaded|hardware}
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where yes is just a synonym for &quot;loaded&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;coling&gt; (I didn't write that patch by the way, so i'm just picking up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the general principal with a view to seeing if the general concept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be upstreamed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; hostonly, hmm, yes, greping for currently used modules was the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> easiest and fastest way
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; to be more correct, we should do it with the aliases like in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; but that is costly and takes a lot of time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also the modprobe.conf.d is something one would want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also install possible helper tools there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; so, if you want to factor that one out in a module filter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> function, send it to the initramfs mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; any help in that area is appreciated and most likely merged :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if you fancy working on this, I'm sure it'll get upstreamed :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I might take a look at this.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Though, as Harald says, it might prove to be slow, since we'd have to
+</I>&gt;<i> compare every alias of every module considered by dracut against the
+</I>&gt;<i> system modalias list... Well, I guess we'll see.
+</I>
+Yeah I guess it would be good to have the this cached into some kind of
+matrix, but that might be a bit tricky in sh...
+
+Col
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
+</I>
+Just a silly question
+Why not push directly Qt 4.8, since it is out today (in order not to build all 
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi, 15 d&#233;cembre 2011 10.29:31 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a silly question
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not push directly Qt 4.8, since it is out today (in order not to build all
+</I>&gt;<i> Qt apps again with 4.8)
+</I>Cf my first mail.
+
+Regards,
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+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi, 15 d&#233;cembre 2011 10.29:31 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a silly question
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not push directly Qt 4.8, since it is out today (in order not to build all
+</I>&gt;<i> Qt apps again with 4.8)
+</I>
+Mikala discussed that in a mail earlier, it is because qt4.8 may
+change a few things that will break kde 4.8 so it is more of a wait
+and see it might still get pushed later on
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 Lucien XU &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sfietkonstantin at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi, 15 d&#233;cembre 2011 10.29:31 John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just a silly question
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why not push directly Qt 4.8, since it is out today (in order not to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; build all Qt apps again with 4.8)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Cf my first mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+OOps, my fault, I have not seen the 1st mail :D
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; but that is costly and takes a lot of time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also the modprobe.conf.d is something one would want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; and also install possible helper tools there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; so, if you want to factor that one out in a module filter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> function, send it to the initramfs mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;haraldh&gt; any help in that area is appreciated and most likely merged :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if you fancy working on this, I'm sure it'll get upstreamed :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I might take a look at this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Though, as Harald says, it might prove to be slow, since we'd have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compare every alias of every module considered by dracut against the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system modalias list... Well, I guess we'll see.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah I guess it would be good to have the this cached into some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> matrix, but that might be a bit tricky in sh...
+</I>
+perl rules!
+More seriously, ever heard of modprobe --resolve-alias?
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 15/12/11 16:16 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Though, as Harald says, it might prove to be slow, since we'd have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; compare every alias of every module considered by dracut against the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; system modalias list... Well, I guess we'll see.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yeah I guess it would be good to have the this cached into some kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; matrix, but that might be a bit tricky in sh...
+</I>&gt;<i> perl rules!
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> More seriously, ever heard of modprobe --resolve-alias?
+</I>
+Ohh, that could indeed do most of the hard work.
+
+Anssi just in case you work on this over the holidays, I think Harald
+might not be about much until the new year... just in case you try to
+poke him on IRC for any reason.
+
+Col
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+</I>&gt;<i> if QA doesn't have time to do these extreeme testing, then it shouldn't be 
+</I>&gt;<i> done. and only backport.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i guess that's my pov
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>For backports the same QA would be mandatory. How is that a solution?
+Backports is not the place to drop untested updates, it's just for everything
+else than pure bugfix or security updates.
+
+IMHO, as you already relayed your wife's complaints about crashes
+you would be the perfect candidate to do the QA for this, or doesn't
+your wife want those crashes/bugs fixed? Think about the next project ...
+
+Just do a full backup, try the rebuilt update, and if it's really not OK
+revert to the older packages and your backup. Everything else seems
+to foggy to me.
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+&gt;<i> Am 15.12.2011 00:16, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if QA doesn't have time to do these extreeme testing, then it shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be done. and only backport.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i guess that's my pov
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For backports the same QA would be mandatory. How is that a solution?
+</I>&gt;<i> Backports is not the place to drop untested updates, it's just for
+</I>&gt;<i> everything else than pure bugfix or security updates.
+</I>
+For backports QA is mandatory, but not in the same level, or it would be 
+updates... it's imho also not doable to test this just as well as updates.
+
+for updates, it's important that it works without any visible change, it has 
+to work needlessly 100%, you must be sure that updates are 100% safe.
+
+backports is a new version. it means it's an upgrade project for people. it 
+means you will backup your files and test it first, then put into production.
+
+I know this definition sounds subjective, but it's one i keep in mind. if i'm 
+assured this'll have no problems, it's ok for me to update imho.
+
+&gt;<i> IMHO, as you already relayed your wife's complaints about crashes
+</I>&gt;<i> you would be the perfect candidate to do the QA for this, or doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> your wife want those crashes/bugs fixed? Think about the next project ...
+</I>
+Of course, she does. i'll definately test it. this is exactly why i want 
+backports to have.
+ 
+&gt;<i> Just do a full backup, try the rebuilt update, and if it's really not OK
+</I>&gt;<i> revert to the older packages and your backup. Everything else seems
+</I>&gt;<i> to foggy to me.
+</I>
+myeah, how many people do that when applying the daily updates? i wonder...
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 15 december 2011 19:25:22 schreef Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 15.12.2011 00:16, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if QA doesn't have time to do these extreeme testing, then it shouldn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be done. and only backport.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i guess that's my pov
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For backports the same QA would be mandatory. How is that a solution?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Backports is not the place to drop untested updates, it's just for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything else than pure bugfix or security updates.
+</I>&gt;<i> For backports QA is mandatory, but not in the same level, or it would be 
+</I>&gt;<i> updates... it's imho also not doable to test this just as well as updates.
+</I>Huh? From what i remember the only difference between backports
+and updates should be that backports are mostly new versions,
+new features, but the QA should be the same. If that's not the case,
+seems my memory from the last few meetings played tricks on me.
+
+If the only QA test for backports shall be: try if it installs and
+opens up without problems, then we should discuss this again.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> backports is a new version. it means it's an upgrade project for people. it 
+</I>&gt;<i> means you will backup your files and test it first, then put into production.
+</I>Are you sure each one who would use backports would see this
+the same way as you? IMHO they'll be: Cool, a new version, must install ...
+&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just do a full backup, try the rebuilt update, and if it's really not OK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> revert to the older packages and your backup. Everything else seems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to foggy to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> myeah, how many people do that when applying the daily updates? i wonder...
+</I>That was specifically meant for you, not for everyday updates, also
+this is no everyday update. If you're brave enough you can also try to do without
+those safety measures, but then don't complain afterwards nobody warned you ...
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+What do you think about replacing aspell with hunspell/enchant in:
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+- - perl-Padre-Plugin-SpellCheck
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+&gt;<i> Huh? From what i remember the only difference between backports
+</I>&gt;<i> and updates should be that backports are mostly new versions,
+</I>&gt;<i> new features, but the QA should be the same. If that's not the case,
+</I>&gt;<i> seems my memory from the last few meetings played tricks on me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well we're going off the track of the meaning of this thread but my
+opinion on this: I agree with Marteen, it would be unrealistic on
+thinking on putting the same amount of work of QA on backports than in
+updates. How would be the way to go ? get a list of the new features
+of a program and have a QA member test each one of them ?? I don't
+think that's a good idea, it would take a lot of time and the person
+testing should know fairly enough how the program in question works.
+In that case the same QA should be put each time a new version of a
+program is updated in cauldron, and that also is not possible to do.
+
+I think in the case of backports tests should be much more lax than in
+updates: it installs runs and if there's any important bugfix
+mentioned in the changelog make sure that it is fixed, there's no
+other way around it. If not then do not have backports at all and let
+third party repos continue to pop up to fulfill this need.
+
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+Juancho
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+    <B>magnus</B> 
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+&gt;<i> '
+</I>&gt;<i> So some follow-up questions for you:
+</I>&gt;<i>  1) Is this a clean install?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>it's an installation from alpha2 -dvd-64 with all updates
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+&gt;<i>  2) Did you upgrade from mga1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no
+
+&gt;<i>  3) Are you using systemd?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> I think so
+
+&gt;<i>  4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown
+return code 1
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+&gt;<i>  5) Do you have a /etc/pam.d/system-auth.rpmnew?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no
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+&gt;<i>  6) Have you properly fixed up system-auth.rpmnew to include the missing
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Magnus
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+&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+Doing some tests in a VM relating to LVM+/usr etc. etc. I ran into a bit
+of an issue:
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# rpm -Fvh dracut-014-1.csg2.noarch.rpm
+Preparing...                ###########################################
+[100%]
+	installing package dracut-014-1.csg2.noarch needs 2MB on the /usr
+filesystem
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# df
+Filesystem         Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
+rootfs             1.1G  192M  782M  20% /
+devtmpfs           360M     0  360M   0% /dev
+tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /dev/shm
+/dev/sda1          1.1G  192M  782M  20% /
+/dev/mapper/vg0-1  3.4G  932M  2.3G  29% /usr
+tmpfs              365M  296K  365M   1% /run
+tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
+tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /media
+
+
+Clearly all my FS's have &gt; 2M but this check still seems to kick in.
+What's up?
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 15/12/11 21:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Doing some tests in a VM relating to LVM+/usr etc. etc. I ran into a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> of an issue:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# rpm -Fvh dracut-014-1.csg2.noarch.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Preparing...                ###########################################
+</I>&gt;<i> [100%]
+</I>&gt;<i> 	installing package dracut-014-1.csg2.noarch needs 2MB on the /usr
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# df
+</I>&gt;<i> Filesystem         Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
+</I>&gt;<i> rootfs             1.1G  192M  782M  20% /
+</I>&gt;<i> devtmpfs           360M     0  360M   0% /dev
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /dev/shm
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda1          1.1G  192M  782M  20% /
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/mapper/vg0-1  3.4G  932M  2.3G  29% /usr
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs              365M  296K  365M   1% /run
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
+</I>&gt;<i> tmpfs              365M     0  365M   0% /media
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Clearly all my FS's have &gt; 2M but this check still seems to kick in.
+</I>&gt;<i> What's up?
+</I>
+Wow, quickest &quot;prove to yourself it's not an error&quot; ever. /usr was
+mounted ro. urpmi'ing the file told me that.
+
+Perhaps the rpm check could be improved to help protect the stupid from
+themselves (i.e. me!)
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+    <B>Luc Menut</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 15/12/2011 14:36, Julien a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure you got my previous mail, but I've got few questions regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> the switch :
+</I>&gt;<i>   - aspell and myspell both provides enchant-dictionary and respectively
+</I>&gt;<i>    aspell-dictionary and myspell-dictionary but hunspell doesn't. Could we
+</I>&gt;<i>    have this kind of provides added to hunspell-xx ?
+</I>
+Yes, this should be done when enchant will be able to use dictionnaries 
+from %datadir/myspell.
+
+When
+&gt;<i>    suggested/required, it allows than at least one dictionary is installed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   - enchant doesn't find hunspell dict, it search in %datadir/dict/ooo
+</I>&gt;<i>     (where myspell install them) and hunspell dict are in %datadir/myspell/.
+</I>&gt;<i>     Should this be fixed at enchant level or at hunspell level ?
+</I>
+Yes, for now enchant uses myspell dictionary from %datadir/dict/ooo; 
+that's why myspell dictionaries provide enchant-dictionary, but hunspell 
+dictionaries don't.
+We can simply replace %{_datadir}/dict/ooo by %datadir/myspell in 
+enchant, but it would be probably better to patch enchant to handle both 
+paths in order to ease transition.
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+&gt;<i> Some packages like Firefox were already cleaned.
+</I>
+I don't think so; Firefox and Thunderbird still use myspell dictionnaries.
+/usr/lib64/firefox-8.0.1/dictionaries -&gt; ../../../usr/share/dict/mozilla/
+/usr/lib64/thunderbird-7.0.1/dictionaries -&gt; 
+../../../usr/share/dict/mozilla/
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+btw, Firefox and Thunderbird should be fixed to use system hyphenation 
+dictionnaries, instead of their own hyphenation dictionnaries.
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+regards,
+Luc
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+<PRE>W dniu 15.12.2011 22:31, Luc Menut pisze:
+&gt;<i> Le 15/12/2011 14:36, Julien a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure you got my previous mail, but I've got few questions regarding
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the switch :
+</I>Excuse me, I can't find it.
+&gt;&gt;<i>   - aspell and myspell both provides enchant-dictionary and respectively
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    aspell-dictionary and myspell-dictionary but hunspell doesn't. 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    have this kind of provides added to hunspell-xx ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, this should be done when enchant will be able to use 
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionnaries from %datadir/myspell.
+</I>+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>    suggested/required, it allows than at least one dictionary is 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   - enchant doesn't find hunspell dict, it search in %datadir/dict/ooo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     (where myspell install them) and hunspell dict are in 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %datadir/myspell/.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>     Should this be fixed at enchant level or at hunspell level ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, for now enchant uses myspell dictionary from %datadir/dict/ooo; 
+</I>&gt;<i> that's why myspell dictionaries provide enchant-dictionary, but 
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell dictionaries don't.
+</I>&gt;<i> We can simply replace %{_datadir}/dict/ooo by %datadir/myspell in 
+</I>&gt;<i> enchant, but it would be probably better to patch enchant to handle 
+</I>&gt;<i> both paths in order to ease transition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you Luc for answer. I will post this on the wiki.
+
+W dniu 15.12.2011 22:57, Luc Menut pisze:
+&gt;<i> Le 15/12/2011 12:52, Kamil Rytarowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some packages like Firefox were already cleaned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think so; Firefox and Thunderbird still use myspell 
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionnaries.
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/firefox-8.0.1/dictionaries -&gt; ../../../usr/share/dict/mozilla/
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/thunderbird-7.0.1/dictionaries -&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> ../../../usr/share/dict/mozilla/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw, Firefox and Thunderbird should be fixed to use system hyphenation 
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionnaries, instead of their own hyphenation dictionnaries.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Luc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, you are right! I've added Firefox already on the list with packages 
+to clean, when I saw that it suggests a Myspell dictionary.
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+VMs to test this. Sorry about that :s
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+Anyway, I've tested with a / on ext4 + /usr on LVM + ext4.
+
+With appropriate fixes, I was able to generate an initrd without any
+specific config to tell dracut what to do. There is a caveat. /usr is
+mounted read only. I can tweak this, but by the same token I'm not sure
+I should... It's trivial to do a &quot;mount -o remount,rw /usr&quot; if you want
+to install packages etc. Otherwise, /usr should pretty much be read only
+anyway.. if something tries to modify stuff on /usr that's not part of a
+package installation process that is (IMO) a bug and should be fixed.
+
+The code for mounting /usr is not the same as how it'll (eventually) be
+done upstream. It only deals with /usr and if you have e.g. /usr/bin on
+a separate partition they you are SOL and will have to wait for the
+upstream version.
+
+I think however that for the majority of setups the current solutions is
+likely good enough.
+
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+Now, when I installed, dracut wasn't used as initrd, so if no one shouts
+too loudly I'll make it deprecate mkinitrd tomorrow and we can test
+installs where dracut generates the first initrd and see how it fairs.
+
+Please test and let me know. It's version 014.1mga2
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+I just did a very minimal install in virtualbox. Plymouth was not
+installed during the initial installation as I didn't pick any graphical
+environments.
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+Therefore no kernel command line arguments were put into grub. Is this
+the norm now or will there always be a &quot;splash&quot; or &quot;splash=silent&quot;
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+If we want plymouth to kick in by default (unless suppressed via
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and magnus at 15/12/11 20:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i>      3) Are you using systemd?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>  I think so
+</I>
+What is the result of: /bin/mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd &amp;&amp; echo
+&quot;I'm using systemd&quot;
+
+This will confirm it.
+
+&gt;<i>      4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown
+</I>&gt;<i> return code 1 
+</I>
+Something else is pretty messed up then (assuming you are using systemd
+which I'm pretty sure you are).
+
+Is your /usr on a separate partition?
+
+Either way, apply all updates, urpmi dracut and then run &quot;dracut -f&quot; to
+regenerate your initrd and reboot.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+    <B>magnus</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and magnus at 15/12/11 20:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;      3) Are you using systemd?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;  I think so
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the result of: /bin/mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd &amp;&amp; echo
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;I'm using systemd&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no result
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This will confirm it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;      4) What is the output from &quot;systemd-loginctl&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Error: &quot;Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unkhown
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; return code 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Something else is pretty messed up then (assuming you are using systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> which I'm pretty sure you are).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is your /usr on a separate partition?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no
+
+
+&gt;<i> Either way, apply all updates, urpmi dracut and then run &quot;dracut -f&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> regenerate your initrd and reboot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done, and now a prob with X and starting the Display Manager
+</I>
+I`m waiting for the system...........
+
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+    <B>Charles A Edwards</B> 
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+<PRE>On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:52:09 +0100
+Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Please try to move from myspell to hunspell, and from aspell to
+</I>&gt;<i> enchant. 
+</I>
+This is a mis-statement.
+
+Current enchant pkg needs to be converted to use hunspell as the
+primary/default backend rather than aspell which it is now uses.
+Simply drop the BR for aspell-devel and only use hunspell-devel. 
+
+As noted in another post hunspell dicts will also need to actually
+provide a dictionary (hunspell-dictionay and
+hunspell-(localization-dictionary)
+
+FYI I have been using hunspell only on this system for over a month.
+Other than needing to rebuild a couple apps there were/are no issues.
+
+
+    Charles
+
+-- 
+Actually, it also looks like we should optimize (13,2,42,8,'hike') into
+a pp_padav copy as well.
+             -- Larry Wall in &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">199711081945.LAA06315 at wall.org</A>&gt;
+----------------------
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Huh? From what i remember the only difference between backports
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and updates should be that backports are mostly new versions,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; new features, but the QA should be the same. If that's not the case,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; seems my memory from the last few meetings played tricks on me.
+</I>
+iirc in some meetings there was some discussion on QA availability with 
+security updates not being fixed fast enough, or something and that backports 
+still should contain testing, but not as much as updates, due to lack of 
+manpower and such.
+
+of course, there's been alot of meetings on backports(and less results), so i 
+can't really be sure of the accuracy of this last paragraph...
+
+&gt;<i> Well we're going off the track of the meaning of this thread but my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion on this: I agree with Marteen, it would be unrealistic on
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking on putting the same amount of work of QA on backports than in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates. How would be the way to go ? get a list of the new features
+</I>&gt;<i> of a program and have a QA member test each one of them ?? I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think that's a good idea, it would take a lot of time and the person
+</I>&gt;<i> testing should know fairly enough how the program in question works.
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case the same QA should be put each time a new version of a
+</I>&gt;<i> program is updated in cauldron, and that also is not possible to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think in the case of backports tests should be much more lax than in
+</I>&gt;<i> updates: it installs runs and if there's any important bugfix
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned in the changelog make sure that it is fixed, there's no
+</I>&gt;<i> other way around it. If not then do not have backports at all and let
+</I>&gt;<i> third party repos continue to pop up to fulfill this need.
+</I>
+don't get me wrong, my position isn't as such that there should be less QA in 
+backports than in updates, but that there should be more QA in updates than 
+there is with backports.
+
+as i mentioned before, the important difference in updates and backports, is 
+the new features, as such backports are new versions of software, while 
+updates are the _same_ version and should do everything (except the bug) the 
+same.
+
+lastly, doktor5000: you say this is no everyday update... and i agree with 
+that. it's exactly that reason that should make this backport and not update. 
+(except also for our current policy on new features).
+
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+    <B>magnus</B> 
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+<PRE>Next start shows the same,
+first this Error
+
+Display driver problem:
+&quot;Detected a loaded display driver kernel modul which conflicts with the
+driver the X server is configured to use. Startup of X server may fail&quot;
+
+and then stop at
+&quot;Started Display Manager&quot;
+
+the driver &quot;nvidia-current (290.10-1mga2)&quot; is installed.
+
+I think my installation is dead.
+So I will make a new installation  tomorrow evening.
+
+It was a long day.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and magnus at 15/12/11 22:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Next start shows the same,
+</I>&gt;<i> first this Error
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Display driver problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Detected a loaded display driver kernel modul which conflicts with the
+</I>&gt;<i> driver the X server is configured to use. Startup of X server may fail&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> and then stop at
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Started Display Manager&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> the driver &quot;nvidia-current (290.10-1mga2)&quot; is installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think my installation is dead.
+</I>
+Probably not dead. First try passing &quot;init=/bin/systemd&quot; at the grub
+command line (hit ESC and then e to edit the line, e again, add the
+argument above, hit return and then hit b to boot.
+
+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Now, when I installed, dracut wasn't used as initrd, so if no one shouts
+</I>&gt;<i> too loudly I'll make it deprecate mkinitrd tomorrow and we can test
+</I>&gt;<i> installs where dracut generates the first initrd and see how it fairs.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:52:09 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please try to move from myspell to hunspell, and from aspell to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enchant.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a mis-statement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Current enchant pkg needs to be converted to use hunspell as the
+</I>&gt;<i> primary/default backend rather than aspell which it is now uses.
+</I>&gt;<i> Simply drop the BR for aspell-devel and only use hunspell-devel.
+</I>Yes, you are right.
+
+I'm thinking of disabling Aspell support (so therefore no more 
+BuildRequires/Requires for Aspell) in enchant at all, and make Aspell as 
+deprecated as possible.
+
+What do you think about it?
+&gt;<i> As noted in another post hunspell dicts will also need to actually
+</I>&gt;<i> provide a dictionary (hunspell-dictionay and
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell-(localization-dictionary)
+</I>Yes, this is true.
+There is also additional issue inside Hunspell dictionaries like in 
+hunspell-gv, hunspell-az, hunspell-de, etc. We have in these packages 
+build requirements on Aspell. For this I will prepare policies, but 
+rather after the cleaning.
+&gt;<i> FYI I have been using hunspell only on this system for over a month.
+</I>&gt;<i> Other than needing to rebuild a couple apps there were/are no issues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you for your feedback.
+&gt;<i>      Charles
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 15/12/11 23:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, when I installed, dracut wasn't used as initrd, so if no one shouts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too loudly I'll make it deprecate mkinitrd tomorrow and we can test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installs where dracut generates the first initrd and see how it fairs.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't we want to keep mkinitrd available as a fallback for some time?
+</I>
+Maybe but for the next while we should force dracut on everyone and test
+that it works well. It's the only way we're going to be able to support
+systemd when LVM is used due to systemd needing info from udev and thus
+needing udev to be started in the initrd (even tho' udev is ultimately
+shut down and restarted, the metadata from the LVM layers started before
+persists due to /run/udev being shared and thus systemd deals with disk
+mounting fine.
+
+So while we can theoretically keep mkinitrd, I've very much like to see
+if we can get away with just having to support one initramfs generator
+if we can possibly get away with it.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 15/12/11 16:16 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Though, as Harald says, it might prove to be slow, since we'd have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> compare every alias of every module considered by dracut against the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> system modalias list... Well, I guess we'll see.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah I guess it would be good to have the this cached into some kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> matrix, but that might be a bit tricky in sh...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perl rules!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> More seriously, ever heard of modprobe --resolve-alias?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ohh, that could indeed do most of the hard work.
+</I>
+Right, we could run all the modaliases through it and then get a simple
+module list to compare against (dunno why I didn't think of that).
+
+One problem with that is that -R is fairly new, but dunno if that is a
+problem. It can also be emulated with -ivn and filtering, though, if
+necessary:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/tools/display_driver_helper?r1=2245&amp;r2=2244&amp;pathrev=2245">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/tools/display_driver_helper?r1=2245&amp;r2=2244&amp;pathrev=2245</A>
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+&gt;<i> Anssi just in case you work on this over the holidays, I think Harald
+</I>&gt;<i> might not be about much until the new year... just in case you try to
+</I>&gt;<i> poke him on IRC for any reason.
+</I>
+OK.
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+Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Current enchant pkg needs to be converted to use hunspell as the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; primary/default backend rather than aspell which it is now uses.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Simply drop the BR for aspell-devel and only use hunspell-devel.  
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you are right.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm thinking of disabling Aspell support (so therefore no more 
+</I>&gt;<i> BuildRequires/Requires for Aspell) in enchant at all, and make Aspell
+</I>&gt;<i> as deprecated as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think about it?
+</I>
+
+I can see no real reason not to do so.
+
+At some point, if not now, if/when we drop myspell it might make sense
+to change the hunspell-dictionary install directory from
+%{_datadir}/myspell/* to %{_datadir}/hunspell/* and configure enchant
+accordingly.
+
+
+    Charles
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:20:26 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Current enchant pkg needs to be converted to use hunspell as the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> primary/default backend rather than aspell which it is now uses.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Simply drop the BR for aspell-devel and only use hunspell-devel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, you are right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm thinking of disabling Aspell support (so therefore no more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BuildRequires/Requires for Aspell) in enchant at all, and make Aspell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as deprecated as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see no real reason not to do so.
+</I>I will add this idea to the wiki too.
+&gt;<i> At some point, if not now, if/when we drop myspell it might make sense
+</I>&gt;<i> to change the hunspell-dictionary install directory from
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/myspell/* to %{_datadir}/hunspell/* and configure enchant
+</I>&gt;<i> accordingly.
+</I>This is the good idea! I've looked into some other distros, Fedora 
+despite absent MySpell still uses the old location for dictionaries. 
+Distros like Arch, Debian, Ubuntu keep files in %{_datadir}/hunspell/* 
+and use symlinks in %{_datadir}/myspell/*. Gentoo uses common packages 
+for both spell-checkers.
+
+I favour installing files into %{_datadir}/hunspell/* and to keep 
+symlinks in %{_datadir}/myspell/* as the backward compatibility.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>      Charles
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 16.12.2011 02:07, Charles A Edwards pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:20:26 +0100
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm thinking of disabling Aspell support (so therefore no more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BuildRequires/Requires for Aspell) in enchant at all, and make Aspell
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as deprecated as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think about it?
+</I>
+Good idea.
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can see no real reason not to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will add this idea to the wiki too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At some point, if not now, if/when we drop myspell it might make sense
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to change the hunspell-dictionary install directory from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> %{_datadir}/myspell/* to %{_datadir}/hunspell/* and configure enchant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> accordingly.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the good idea! I've looked into some other distros, Fedora 
+</I>&gt;<i> despite absent MySpell still uses the old location for dictionaries. 
+</I>&gt;<i> Distros like Arch, Debian, Ubuntu keep files in %{_datadir}/hunspell/* 
+</I>&gt;<i> and use symlinks in %{_datadir}/myspell/*. Gentoo uses common packages 
+</I>&gt;<i> for both spell-checkers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I favour installing files into %{_datadir}/hunspell/* and to keep 
+</I>&gt;<i> symlinks in %{_datadir}/myspell/* as the backward compatibility.
+</I>
+I agree
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      Charles
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>-- 
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> If noone objects, i will be pushing MariaDB to cauldron, following tmb's
+</I>&gt;<i> testplan. (thus obsoleting mysql completely).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've spoken with mikala about this, and he thinks it's a good test to have his
+</I>&gt;<i> new KDE built directly on it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> likely now Qt is building, so when that's finished, i'd like to submit mariadb
+</I>&gt;<i> and then mikala pushes his KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Push it.
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+That's the only way we get it properly tested.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Don't we want to keep mkinitrd available as a fallback for some time?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe but for the next while we should force dracut on everyone and test
+</I>&gt;<i> that it works well. It's the only way we're going to be able to support
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd when LVM is used due to systemd needing info from udev and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> needing udev to be started in the initrd (even tho' udev is ultimately
+</I>&gt;<i> shut down and restarted, the metadata from the LVM layers started before
+</I>&gt;<i> persists due to /run/udev being shared and thus systemd deals with disk
+</I>&gt;<i> mounting fine.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> OK, so this took me a while to actually get around to setting up some
+</I>&gt;<i> VMs to test this. Sorry about that :s
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, I've tested with a / on ext4 + /usr on LVM + ext4.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> With appropriate fixes, I was able to generate an initrd without any
+</I>&gt;<i> specific config to tell dracut what to do. There is a caveat. /usr is
+</I>&gt;<i> mounted read only. I can tweak this, but by the same token I'm not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> I should... It's trivial to do a &quot;mount -o remount,rw /usr&quot; if you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to install packages etc. Otherwise, /usr should pretty much be read only
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway.. if something tries to modify stuff on /usr that's not part of a
+</I>&gt;<i> package installation process that is (IMO) a bug and should be fixed.
+</I>
+IMO init scripts should mount /usr as rw unless /etc/fstab instructs to
+mount it as read-only.
+
+&gt;<i> The code for mounting /usr is not the same as how it'll (eventually) be
+</I>&gt;<i> done upstream. It only deals with /usr and if you have e.g. /usr/bin on
+</I>&gt;<i> a separate partition they you are SOL and will have to wait for the
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream version.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think however that for the majority of setups the current solutions is
+</I>&gt;<i> likely good enough.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, when I installed, dracut wasn't used as initrd, so if no one shouts
+</I>&gt;<i> too loudly I'll make it deprecate mkinitrd tomorrow and we can test
+</I>&gt;<i> installs where dracut generates the first initrd and see how it fairs.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please test and let me know. It's version 014.1mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+2011/12/16 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 16 December 2011 05:16, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 9.0b6-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 182391
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - new version 9.0b6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW we should find a way to make those cohabit with firefox-l10n-*
+</I>&gt;<i> eg firefox-beta doesn't like firefox-l10n-br
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+&gt;<i> IMO init scripts should mount /usr as rw unless /etc/fstab instructs to
+</I>&gt;<i> mount it as read-only.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> More seriously, ever heard of modprobe --resolve-alias?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ohh, that could indeed do most of the hard work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, we could run all the modaliases through it and then get a simple
+</I>&gt;<i> module list to compare against (dunno why I didn't think of that).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One problem with that is that -R is fairly new, but dunno if that is a
+</I>&gt;<i> problem. It can also be emulated with -ivn and filtering, though, if
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/tools/display_driver_helper?r1=2245&amp;r2=2244&amp;pathrev=2245">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx-kbd-mouse-x11/trunk/tools/display_driver_helper?r1=2245&amp;r2=2244&amp;pathrev=2245</A>
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+distributions using drakcut use recent m-i-tools...
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+    <B>JA Magallon</B> 
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+
+After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+
+I found a couple problems:
+
+- dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+  works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+  that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+
+dracut -f:
+
+dash
+i18n
+rpmversion
+plymouth
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/fuc41ad&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/fuc41ac&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/fuc409d&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/fuc409c&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc4_fuc41ad&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc4_fuc41ac&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc4_fuc409d&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc4_fuc409c&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc3_fuc41ad&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc3_fuc41ac&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc3_fuc409d&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc3_fuc409c&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc0_fuc41ad&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc0_fuc41ac&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc0_fuc409d&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+W: Possible missing firmware &quot;nouveau/nvc0_fuc409c&quot; for kernel module &quot;nouveau.ko&quot;
+E: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+E: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+kernel-modules
+E: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+E: WARNING: Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf, all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/.
+...
+
+- initrd from dracut fails to detect one of my drives, and booting stops:
+
+systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start timed out.
+systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel-mark.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Job mandriva-boot-links.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Job local-fs.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Triggering OnFailure= dependencies of local-fs.target.
+systemd[1]: Job export-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Job home-shared-media-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
+
+  If I rengerate initrd with mkinitrd, system boots fine. fstab is like:
+
+/dev/sda1  /                        ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+none       /proc                    proc defaults 0 0
+/dev/sda2  /opt                     ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sda3  swap                     swap defaults 0 0
+/dev/sdb1  /home                    ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sdc1  /home/shared/media/music ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+/dev/sdd1  /home/shared/media/video ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+
+/home/shared/media/music /export/music bind bind 0 0
+/home/shared/media/video /export/video bind bind 0 0
+/home/shared/in          /export/in    bind bind 0 0
+/opt/soft                /export/soft  bind bind 0 0
+
+lsscsi:
+werewolf:~# lsscsi
+[0:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3250310AS      3.AA  /dev/sda 
+[1:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      WDC WD3200AVJS-6 12.0  /dev/sdb 
+[2:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3320620AS      3.AA  /dev/sdc 
+[3:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3500418AS      CC38  /dev/sdd 
+
+werewolf:~# grep ata dm.txt (from dracut boot)
+ BIOS-e820: 00000000cff70000 - 00000000cff7e000 (ACPI data)
+Memory: 8172432k/9175040k available (4214k kernel code, 787464k absent, 215144k reserved, 5225k data, 732k init)
+PEBS disabled due to CPU errata.
+Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 8192k
+libata version 3.00 loaded.
+ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffe900 irq 43
+ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffe980 irq 43
+ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffea00 irq 43
+ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffea80 irq 43
+ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffeb00 irq 43
+ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffeb80 irq 43
+ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
+ata1.00: ATA-7: ST3250310AS, 3.AAC, max UDMA/133
+ata1.00: 488397168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
+ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
+ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
+ata2.00: ATA-8: WDC WD3200AVJS-63WDA0, 12.01B02, max UDMA/133
+ata2.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
+ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
+ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
+ata3.00: ATA-7: ST3320620AS, 3.AAK, max UDMA/133
+ata3.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
+ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133
+ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
+ata4.00: ATA-8: ST3500418AS, CC38, max UDMA/133
+ata4.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
+ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
+ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
+ata6: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
+ata6.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50, TN01, max UDMA/100
+ata6.00: configured for UDMA/100
+
+werewolf:~# grep sdd dm.txt
+sd 6:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI removable disk
+systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start timed out.
+systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
+
+Any ideas ?
+
+TIA
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>Hiya,
+
+'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;<i> ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>
+Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+
+&gt;<i> I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i>   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i>   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut -f:
+</I>
+I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)
+
+I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+commandline is possible.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - initrd from dracut fails to detect one of my drives, and booting stops:
+</I>
+OK, this is more interesting.
+
+&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start timed out.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel-mark.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job mandriva-boot-links.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job local-fs.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Triggering OnFailure= dependencies of local-fs.target.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job export-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job home-shared-media-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
+</I>
+
+When this happens you should get an emergency shell right? In this shell
+you should be able to do: &quot;mount /home/shared/media/video&quot; and it should
+work, then you should be able to do &quot;systemctl start local-fs.target&quot;
+and it should succeed. And you can then do &quot;systemctl start
+graphical.target&quot; to continue to a normal boot.
+
+&gt;<i>   If I rengerate initrd with mkinitrd, system boots fine.
+</I>
+Sadly mkinitrd fails with anything relating to LVM when used with
+systemd so we really do need to solve the problem with dracut to get
+this nailed. I'm sure it's possible :)
+
+
+&gt;<i> fstab is like:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda1  /                        ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+</I>&gt;<i> none       /proc                    proc defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda2  /opt                     ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sda3  swap                     swap defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdb1  /home                    ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdc1  /home/shared/media/music ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/sdd1  /home/shared/media/video ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/media/music /export/music bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/media/video /export/video bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/shared/in          /export/in    bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> /opt/soft                /export/soft  bind bind 0 0
+</I>
+
+That all looks OK to me.
+
+&gt;<i> lsscsi:
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# lsscsi
+</I>&gt;<i> [3:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3500418AS      CC38  /dev/sdd 
+</I>
+I guess sdd translates to ata4...
+
+&gt;<i> ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffea80 irq 43
+</I>
+&gt;<i> ata4.00: ATA-8: ST3500418AS, CC38, max UDMA/133
+</I>&gt;<i> ata4.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
+</I>&gt;<i> ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
+</I>
+
+Hmm.
+
+Well, systemd uses the information in udev to determin when the disks
+are ready/available, so it seems that some kind of metadata goes missing
+somewhere.
+
+
+Can you try and boot with the dracut again, verify you can ultimately
+make it to a regular boot via the commands I listed above from the
+emergency shell.
+
+You can pass splash=verbose to disable any graphical stuff and and you
+can also pass rd.debug=1 to get extra info.
+
+If you boot like that and them post the dmesg, that might offer some clues.
+
+There is also some udevadm stuff to run too after booting.
+
+udevadm info --query env --name=/dev/sdd1
+
+It's this info systemd uses to work out if the disk is ready or not, so
+this is probably quite important.
+
+All the best
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> On 16 December 2011 01:41, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Don't we want to keep mkinitrd available as a fallback for some time?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe but for the next while we should force dracut on everyone and test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it works well. It's the only way we're going to be able to support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systemd when LVM is used due to systemd needing info from udev and thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needing udev to be started in the initrd (even tho' udev is ultimately
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shut down and restarted, the metadata from the LVM layers started before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> persists due to /run/udev being shared and thus systemd deals with disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mounting fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to alter meta-task's prefer.vendor.list
+</I>
+That will only affect new installs right? I want to make sure that I
+force it on everyone hence why I was thinking of obsoleting, but perhaps
+I should just put it in as a require somewhere (e.g. to systemd) such
+that everyone gets it but can still technically use mkinitrd should they
+have a real need (i.e. dracut is really broken!)
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+Col
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+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)
+</I>
+There is no check.
+
+&gt;<i> I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+</I>&gt;<i> udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+</I>&gt;<i> currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+</I>&gt;<i> we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> commandline is possible.
+</I>
+Ah, my dracut initramfs from last month has it, but maybe it has changed
+since then...
+
+Feel free to change the udev rule to use a more minimal method :)
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe but for the next while we should force dracut on everyone and test
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that it works well. It's the only way we're going to be able to support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systemd when LVM is used due to systemd needing info from udev and thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needing udev to be started in the initrd (even tho' udev is ultimately
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> shut down and restarted, the metadata from the LVM layers started before
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> persists due to /run/udev being shared and thus systemd deals with disk
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mounting fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to alter meta-task's prefer.vendor.list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That will only affect new installs right?
+</I>
+Of course
+
+&gt;<i> I want to make sure that I
+</I>&gt;<i> force it on everyone hence why I was thinking of obsoleting, but perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> I should just put it in as a require somewhere (e.g. to systemd) such
+</I>&gt;<i> that everyone gets it but can still technically use mkinitrd should they
+</I>&gt;<i> have a real need (i.e. dracut is really broken!)
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 16/12/11 12:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 16.12.2011 14:35, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no check.
+</I>
+OK, so that's fine I think, just a slightly bigger initramfs than is
+100% needed but such is life.
+
+I wonder, does the modprobe -R stuff process blacklists... it would be
+kinda nice if a side effect of improving the hostonly mode was to not
+include blacklisted modules... :D
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commandline is possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, my dracut initramfs from last month has it, but maybe it has changed
+</I>&gt;<i> since then...
+</I>
+I suspect it's a side effect of:
+./modules.d/00bootchart/module-setup.sh:    inst /bin/grep
+
+i.e. if you have bootchart installed, then you get grep and thus other
+things work too.
+
+&gt;<i> Feel free to change the udev rule to use a more minimal method :)
+</I>
+I'll have a look and if I cannot come up with something better, I'll
+just give up and force grep to be installed :D
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to unsatisfied xserver-abi(xinput-12)&gt;= 2) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> let it remove both of theese, as they are obsolete, and it should be ok.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then the X11 vbox package should be obsoleted.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, XFdrake'll try to install it and fails...
+</I>
+Actually it's Funda who disabled it.
+(<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/virtualbox/current/SPECS/virtualbox.spec?r1=151446&amp;r2=151463">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/virtualbox/current/SPECS/virtualbox.spec?r1=151446&amp;r2=151463</A>)
+Funda why exactly is x11-driver-input-vboxmouse obsole?
+We'll still try to set up it...
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64cheese-gtk20-3.3.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to missing libclutter-glx-1.0.so.0()(64bit))
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> x11-driver-input-vboxmouse-4.1.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; (due to unsatisfied xserver-abi(xinput-12)&gt;= 2) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> let it remove both of theese, as they are obsolete, and it should be ok.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then the X11 vbox package should be obsoleted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, XFdrake'll try to install it and fails...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually it's Funda who disabled it.
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/virtualbox/current/SPECS/virtualbox.spec?r1=151446&amp;r2=151463">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/virtualbox/current/SPECS/virtualbox.spec?r1=151446&amp;r2=151463</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda why exactly is x11-driver-input-vboxmouse obsole?
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll still try to set up it...
+</I>
+I actually forget to CC: you Funda?
+So should the vboxdriver be restored or what should be configured
+instead (evdev)?
+For better VM integration, I think we should restore it...
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+&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes skrev 16.12.2011 03:12:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If noone objects, i will be pushing MariaDB to cauldron, following tmb's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; testplan. (thus obsoleting mysql completely).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've spoken with mikala about this, and he thinks it's a good test to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have his new KDE built directly on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; likely now Qt is building, so when that's finished, i'd like to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb and then mikala pushes his KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Push it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the only way we get it properly tested.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> just be ready to help out fixing eventual problems that might show up.
+</I>
+ok.
+
+upstream did a few more patches, so i'm gonna make a new tarball, defuzz some 
+patches if necessary, test some more and push. it's gonna be around 2200 or 
+2300 when i push, cause i need to look after my kids alone tonight.
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+i'll try to be online as much as possible this weekend...
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+Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
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+So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
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+I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
+have to update the default inittab, but the principle is the same. We
+want X there, not a login.
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+Damien and I uploaded soft/isocheck
+(<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/isocheck/trunk/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/isocheck/trunk/</A>) several days ago. It
+tests for basic rule-based things in a built ISO (name, size,
+checksums, headers, and some contents so far) and can start to save a
+lot of time.
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+While it still needs improvements, it's ready for some action, right
+from the output of bcd. And it's up for review. Usage, dependencies
+are described in the README.
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+Anyone can use it individually on its own copy of images, the person
+building ISOs first, as a task just after bcd (might be good to try it
+for alpha3).
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+This could be used too as a filter in an automated build scenario:
+built ISOs are staged in a repository where a cron picks them one by
+one, runs isocheck tests, appends the log and stage them further for
+QA team (or a deeper automated test tool), unless there's a failure
+(and it notifies building person/team).
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+Speaking of failure, should the script test fail at once at the first
+issue, or continue to test other potential issues? (for instance, an
+ISO may be too big and have misconfigured ISO headers and ..., etc.).
+So far, the script fails at the first failed assertion.
+
+The next step in automation would be misc's Viviane
+(<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-August/007539.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2011-August/007539.html</A>)
+and/or <A HREF="http://www.os-autoinst.org/">http://www.os-autoinst.org/</A> or other test assistant tool . That
+will help QA team and testers to focus on other, manual-only,
+categories of tests.
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+Feel free to suggest additional tests for isocheck (and for the rest too)!
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+Romain
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
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+Why this change?
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why this change?
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+</I>Less flickering at boot AFAIK.
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+&gt;<i> alien &lt;alien&gt; 1:2-14.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 182835
+</I>&gt;<i> - Obsoleting mysql
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+The correct message would have been &quot;stop preferring mysql over mariadb&quot;...
+This has nothing to do with obsoleting.
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+<PRE>At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it
+refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...
+
+Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly
+be fixed.
+
+Col
+
+'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 16/12/11 18:07 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name        : postfix                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 2.8.7                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Dec 16 19:04:18 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : System/Servers                Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 4027193                          License: IBM Public License
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.postfix.org/">http://www.postfix.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Postfix Mail Transport Agent
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Postfix is a Mail Transport Agent (MTA), supporting LDAP, SMTP AUTH (SASL),
+</I>&gt;<i> TLS and running in a chroot environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Postfix is Wietse Venema's mailer that started life as an alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> to the widely-used Sendmail program.
+</I>&gt;<i> Postfix attempts to be fast, easy to administer, and secure, while at
+</I>&gt;<i> the same time being sendmail compatible enough to not upset existing
+</I>&gt;<i> users. Thus, the outside has a sendmail-ish flavor, but the inside is
+</I>&gt;<i> completely different.
+</I>&gt;<i> This software was formerly known as VMailer. It was released by the end
+</I>&gt;<i> of 1998 as the IBM Secure Mailer. From then on it has lived on as Postfix.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> PLEASE READ THE /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.MDK FILE.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This rpm supports different build time options, to enable or disable these
+</I>&gt;<i> features you must rebuild the source rpm using the --with ... or --without ...
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm option.
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently postfix has been built with:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Smtpd multiline greeting: --without multiline
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Virtual Delivery Agent: --without VDA
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Munge bare CR: --without barecr
+</I>&gt;<i> 	TLS support: --with tls
+</I>&gt;<i> 	IPV6 support: --with ipv6
+</I>&gt;<i> 	CDB support: --with cdb
+</I>&gt;<i> 	Chroot by default: --with chroot
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1:2.8.7-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 182675
+</I>&gt;<i> - 2.8.7
+</I>
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 16/12/11 21:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 16.12.2011 23:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Less flickering at boot AFAIK.
+</I>
+That's the plan... Should be able to achieve a nice fade from the boot
+graphics to the login manager.
+
+Also it seems there have been lots of crash related problems that this
+update appears to address too.
+
+Col
+
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+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:35:22 +0000
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)&#231;
+</I>
+Clue...
+Let's state all my findings. As 'nokmsboot' was ignored, i remembered CentOS
+where the nvidia installer achived the same blacklisting nouveau.
+I added the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/display-driver.conf, which is a
+symlink to /etc/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf. It didn't work.
+After the fiasco with symlinks in systemd, i tried creting a new file.
+And it worked. So there is something strange with symlinked files...
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+</I>&gt;<i> udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+</I>&gt;<i> currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+</I>&gt;<i> we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> commandline is possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+At boot I get a message about (bin/grep non existent, right...
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - initrd from dracut fails to detect one of my drives, and booting stops:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, this is more interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start timed out.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job fedora-autorelabel-mark.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job mandriva-boot-links.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job local-fs.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Triggering OnFailure= dependencies of local-fs.target.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job export-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job home-shared-media-video.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; systemd[1]: Job dev-sdd1.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When this happens you should get an emergency shell right? In this shell
+</I>&gt;<i> you should be able to do: &quot;mount /home/shared/media/video&quot; and it should
+</I>&gt;<i> work, then you should be able to do &quot;systemctl start local-fs.target&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and it should succeed. And you can then do &quot;systemctl start
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical.target&quot; to continue to a normal boot.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+I found the problem:
+
+lsscsi:
+werewolf:~/dr# cat lsscsi*
+[0:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3250310AS      3.AA  /dev/sda 
+[1:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      WDC WD3200AVJS-6 12.0  /dev/sdb 
+[2:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3320620AS      3.AA  /dev/sdc 
+[3:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3500418AS      CC38  /dev/sdh 
+[5:0:0:0]    cd/dvd  HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50  TN01  /dev/sr0 
+[6:0:0:0]    disk    Generic  USB  CF Reader   0.00  /dev/sdd 
+[6:0:0:1]    disk    Generic  USB  SD Reader   0.00  /dev/sde 
+[6:0:0:2]    disk    Generic  USB  MS Reader   0.00  /dev/sdf 
+[6:0:0:3]    disk    Generic  USB  SM Reader   0.00  /dev/sdg 
+
+The disk has been renamed as sdh !!
+I changed the mounting points from devices to labels and all worked fine.
+
+This will probably not be an issue with standard install, using UUIDs,
+but the real problem is that drive name asssignment is even more random
+(well, interlaced ;)).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;   If I rengerate initrd with mkinitrd, system boots fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly mkinitrd fails with anything relating to LVM when used with
+</I>&gt;<i> systemd so we really do need to solve the problem with dracut to get
+</I>&gt;<i> this nailed. I'm sure it's possible :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fstab is like:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sda1  /                        ext4 acl,relatime 1 1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; none       /proc                    proc defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sda2  /opt                     ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sda3  swap                     swap defaults 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sdb1  /home                    ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sdc1  /home/shared/media/music ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /dev/sdd1  /home/shared/media/video ext4 acl,relatime 1 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /home/shared/media/music /export/music bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /home/shared/media/video /export/video bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /home/shared/in          /export/in    bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /opt/soft                /export/soft  bind bind 0 0
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That all looks OK to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lsscsi:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; werewolf:~# lsscsi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [3:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3500418AS      CC38  /dev/sdd 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess sdd translates to ata4...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">m2048 at 0xf9ffe800</A> port 0xf9ffea80 irq 43
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ata4.00: ATA-8: ST3500418AS, CC38, max UDMA/133
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ata4.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, systemd uses the information in udev to determin when the disks
+</I>&gt;<i> are ready/available, so it seems that some kind of metadata goes missing
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Well, as I said above, the disk was still there, but I was looking for it
+under sda, that now pointed to my usb flash card reader :(.
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you try and boot with the dracut again, verify you can ultimately
+</I>&gt;<i> make it to a regular boot via the commands I listed above from the
+</I>&gt;<i> emergency shell.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You can pass splash=verbose to disable any graphical stuff and and you
+</I>&gt;<i> can also pass rd.debug=1 to get extra info.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If you boot like that and them post the dmesg, that might offer some clues.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also some udevadm stuff to run too after booting.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> udevadm info --query env --name=/dev/sdd1
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's this info systemd uses to work out if the disk is ready or not, so
+</I>&gt;<i> this is probably quite important.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
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+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+</I>&gt;<i> udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+</I>&gt;<i> currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+</I>&gt;<i> we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+</I>&gt;<i> commandline is possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+If its is (d)ash:
+
+CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+case &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; in
+    *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;*)
+        echo YES
+        ;;
+esac
+
+if if uses bash:
+
+CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+if [[ &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; == *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;* ]]
+then
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+fi
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 22:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:35:22 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)&#231;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Clue...
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's state all my findings. As 'nokmsboot' was ignored, i remembered CentOS
+</I>&gt;<i> where the nvidia installer achived the same blacklisting nouveau.
+</I>&gt;<i> I added the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/display-driver.conf, which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> symlink to /etc/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf. It didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> After the fiasco with symlinks in systemd, i tried creting a new file.
+</I>&gt;<i> And it worked. So there is something strange with symlinked files...
+</I>
+That's interesting... The code in question:
+
+./modules.d/90kernel-modules/module-setup.sh:    for i in $(find
+/etc/modprobe.d/ -type f -name '*.conf'); do
+
+So it only finds files.
+
+If I change &quot;find&quot; to &quot;find -L&quot; this should fix up this problem (when
+the files are installed, links are dereferenced so that won't be a problem).
+
+This should avoid any such similar problems.
+
+Also I believe it's pointless to go into any subfolders here, so adding
+also a -maxdepth 1 should cut down on unnecessary includes.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - initrd from dracut fails to detect one of my drives, and booting stops:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, this is more interesting.
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I found the problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> lsscsi:
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~/dr# cat lsscsi*
+</I>&gt;<i> [0:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3250310AS      3.AA  /dev/sda 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      WDC WD3200AVJS-6 12.0  /dev/sdb 
+</I>&gt;<i> [2:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3320620AS      3.AA  /dev/sdc 
+</I>&gt;<i> [3:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      ST3500418AS      CC38  /dev/sdh 
+</I>&gt;<i> [5:0:0:0]    cd/dvd  HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50  TN01  /dev/sr0 
+</I>&gt;<i> [6:0:0:0]    disk    Generic  USB  CF Reader   0.00  /dev/sdd 
+</I>&gt;<i> [6:0:0:1]    disk    Generic  USB  SD Reader   0.00  /dev/sde 
+</I>&gt;<i> [6:0:0:2]    disk    Generic  USB  MS Reader   0.00  /dev/sdf 
+</I>&gt;<i> [6:0:0:3]    disk    Generic  USB  SM Reader   0.00  /dev/sdg 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The disk has been renamed as sdh
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I changed the mounting points from devices to labels and all worked fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This will probably not be an issue with standard install, using UUIDs,
+</I>&gt;<i> but the real problem is that drive name asssignment is even more random
+</I>&gt;<i> (well, interlaced ;)).
+</I>
+Hmm, interesting. Not quite sure why it's doing that but as it's using
+udev rather than any manual driver loading, it's likely a more
+predicable system overall in the long term.
+
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+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 23:08 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:35:22 +0000
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hiya,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and JA Magallon at 16/12/11 12:06 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> After those couple previous thread it looks like move to dracut is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ongoing, so I decided to try it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good! This is exactly the kind of feedback we need!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I found a couple problems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - dracut inists on loading nouveau driver. With mknitrd, just booting with nokmsboot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   works. Booting with a dracut generated initrd ignores that. I think it is plymouth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   that forces it, even if I added 'blacklist nouveau' in a .conf file in modprobe.d:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dracut -f:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll include it but if it's blacklisted, it shouldn't ultimately be used
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the ramfs even if it's included. That said, it's clearly inefficient
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to include it if it is blacklisted so we should try and fix that. Anssi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could this be your code to detect the h/w that causes it to bypass any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blacklist checks (not sure if there are actually any blacklist checks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when building the initrd... not relaly looked at it much)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the nokmsboot parameter is not working in dracut because the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev rule that interprets it uses the grep command and that is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> currently included in the ramdisk. I could hack it in easy enough, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should maybe see if a more minimal method of detecting it in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commandline is possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If its is (d)ash:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+</I>&gt;<i> case &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; in
+</I>&gt;<i>     *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;*)
+</I>&gt;<i>         echo YES
+</I>&gt;<i>         ;;
+</I>&gt;<i> esac
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if if uses bash:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+</I>&gt;<i> if [[ &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; == *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;* ]]
+</I>&gt;<i> then
+</I>&gt;<i>     echo YES
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>
+Well it's in a udev rule so it's not 100% predictable what it's using.
+I'll have a wee look just now.
+
+Col
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+<PRE>On 17.12.2011 00:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it
+</I>&gt;<i> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> be fixed.
+</I>
+It was
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099</A>
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+&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Mageia Team at 16/12/11 18:07 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name        : postfix                      Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version     : 2.8.7                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Fri Dec 16 19:04:18 2011
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group       : System/Servers                Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size        : 4027193                          License: IBM Public License
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://www.postfix.org/">http://www.postfix.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Postfix Mail Transport Agent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Postfix is a Mail Transport Agent (MTA), supporting LDAP, SMTP AUTH (SASL),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TLS and running in a chroot environment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Postfix is Wietse Venema's mailer that started life as an alternative
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the widely-used Sendmail program.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Postfix attempts to be fast, easy to administer, and secure, while at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same time being sendmail compatible enough to not upset existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users. Thus, the outside has a sendmail-ish flavor, but the inside is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> completely different.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This software was formerly known as VMailer. It was released by the end
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of 1998 as the IBM Secure Mailer. From then on it has lived on as Postfix.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PLEASE READ THE /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.MDK FILE.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This rpm supports different build time options, to enable or disable these
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> features you must rebuild the source rpm using the --with ... or --without ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Currently postfix has been built with:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	Smtpd multiline greeting: --without multiline
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	Virtual Delivery Agent: --without VDA
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	Munge bare CR: --without barecr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	TLS support: --with tls
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	IPV6 support: --with ipv6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	CDB support: --with cdb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 	Chroot by default: --with chroot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1:2.8.7-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 182675
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - 2.8.7
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
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+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> On 16 December 2011 22:48, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alien &lt;alien&gt; 1:2-14.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 182835
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Obsoleting mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The correct message would have been &quot;stop preferring mysql over mariadb&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i> This has nothing to do with obsoleting.
+</I>&gt;<i> Only mariadb can obsolete mysql.
+</I>
+Also, there was no need to submit this just for that, since removing
+mysql from the prefer.vendor.list has no effect if we don't have mysql
+anymore...
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 00:36:07 schreef Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> On 17.12.2011 00:12, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 16 December 2011 22:48, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; alien &lt;alien&gt; 1:2-14.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 182835
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Obsoleting mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The correct message would have been &quot;stop preferring mysql over
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mariadb&quot;... This has nothing to do with obsoleting.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Only mariadb can obsolete mysql.
+</I>
+you're right, should i modify the svn commit log?
+
+&gt;<i> Also, there was no need to submit this just for that, since removing
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql from the prefer.vendor.list has no effect if we don't have mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore...
+</I>
+i thought the preference would have issues with the obsoletion itself. but now 
+that you remind me... it occurs to me that this is only a preference when 
+there is choice...
+
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+&gt;<i> If its is (d)ash:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+</I>
+Or save two fork+execs this way, on dash or bash:
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+read CMDLINE &lt;/proc/cmdline
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+&gt;<i> case &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; in
+</I>&gt;<i>     *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;*)
+</I>&gt;<i>         echo YES
+</I>&gt;<i>         ;;
+</I>&gt;<i> esac
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if if uses bash:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> CMDLINE=$(cat /proc/cmdline)
+</I>&gt;<i> if [[ &quot;${CMDLINE}&quot; == *&quot; nokmsboot &quot;* ]]
+</I>&gt;<i> then
+</I>&gt;<i>     echo YES
+</I>&gt;<i> fi
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 16/12/11 21:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 16.12.2011 23:14, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Friday 16 December 2011 19:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why this change?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Less flickering at boot AFAIK.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the plan... Should be able to achieve a nice fade from the boot
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics to the login manager.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Also it seems there have been lots of crash related problems that this
+</I>&gt;<i> update appears to address too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i guess it takes a bit getting used to, but otoh, the switching back and forth 
+did bother me a bit before...
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+how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next 
+session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
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+what happens if X doesn't start on tty1 and tries to fall back to console? 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next 
+</I>&gt;<i> session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
+</I>
+2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
+super intuitive I agree so open to suggestions here... i.e. one option
+would be to only start txt ttys on 7 &amp; 8 (two should be enough right?)
+leaving tty 1 through 6 for graphical logins.
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+&gt;<i> what happens if X doesn't start on tty1 and tries to fall back to console? 
+</I>&gt;<i> will we have a black screen?
+</I>
+Dunno about that one. We could maybe start a getty automatically on tty1
+if this happens... will have to test how this would work in practice.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> super intuitive I agree so open to suggestions here... i.e. one option
+</I>&gt;<i> would be to only start txt ttys on 7 &amp; 8 (two should be enough right?)
+</I>&gt;<i> leaving tty 1 through 6 for graphical logins.
+</I>
+if could be nice if they were &quot;on-demand&quot; ?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; what happens if X doesn't start on tty1 and tries to fall back to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; console? will we have a black screen?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Dunno about that one. We could maybe start a getty automatically on tty1
+</I>&gt;<i> if this happens... will have to test how this would work in practice.
+</I>
+would be nice to know what happens...
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 16 december 2011 09:54:16 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maarten Vanraes skrev 16.12.2011 03:12:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If noone objects, i will be pushing MariaDB to cauldron, following
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tmb's testplan. (thus obsoleting mysql completely).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I've spoken with mikala about this, and he thinks it's a good test to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; have his new KDE built directly on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; likely now Qt is building, so when that's finished, i'd like to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mariadb and then mikala pushes his KDE stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Push it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the only way we get it properly tested.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just be ready to help out fixing eventual problems that might show up.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ok.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream did a few more patches, so i'm gonna make a new tarball, defuzz
+</I>&gt;<i> some patches if necessary, test some more and push. it's gonna be around
+</I>&gt;<i> 2200 or 2300 when i push, cause i need to look after my kids alone
+</I>&gt;<i> tonight.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i'll try to be online as much as possible this weekend...
+</I>
+ok, so it's push and will hit mirrors soon.
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+&gt;<i> On 17.12.2011 00:20, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+i really think that this have nothing to do on our rpms
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++%if &quot;%{distribution}&quot; == &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 09:42:54PM +0100, jcc wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a problem with the icon of the application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First I tried to save the icon image in pixmap directory but no icon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appears on the desktop menu bar.
+</I>&gt;<i> What does your .desktop file look like?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dan
+</I>Hi,
+
+I send you the desktop file:
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+mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/applications
+cat &gt; $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/applications/axiom.desktop &lt;&lt; EOF
+[Desktop Entry]
+Encoding=UTF-8
+Name=axiom
+GenericName=axiom
+GenericName[fr]=axiom
+Comment=Computer Algebra system
+Comment[fr]=Syst&#232;me de calcul formel
+Exec=axiom
+TryExec=axiom
+Icon=axiom
+Terminal=true
+Type=Application
+Categories=Education;Science;Math;
+EOF
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+But I have installed application launcher Lancelot in the plasmoid and 
+the icon appears.
+So I think that it become from the Mageia launcher under kde. :(
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>why are you doing this?
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+%mklibname works fine, your issue was the bug that mysql-devel wasn't properly 
+obsoleted... 
+
+problem is, that you've removed some provides now, so if packages will be 
+depending on lib64mysql18, it'll not be working now...
+
+you also did a wrong obsolete with %{version}-%{release}
+
+also, if a package has a maintainer, i think policy (or at least common 
+courtesy) is to speak with maintainer about this?
+
+and why even submitting amarok, when mikala will bring new KDE soon?
+
+i'm resubmitting mariadb
+
+you should've just fixed the wrong obsoletes and vendor tag and missing 
+provides.
+
+regards,
+
+AL13N
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at localhost</A> mariadb]$ svn diff -c 182925
+Index: SPECS/mariadb.spec
+===================================================================
+--- SPECS/mariadb.spec  (revision 182924)
++++ SPECS/mariadb.spec  (revision 182925)
+@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@
+ Summary:       A very fast and reliable SQL database engine
+ Name:          mariadb
+ Version:       5.5.18
+-Release:       %mkrel 0.bzr%bzrrev
++Release:       %mkrel 0.bzr%{bzrrev}.1
+ Group:         Databases
+ License:       GPLv2 with exceptions
+ URL:           <A HREF="http://mariadb.org/">http://mariadb.org/</A>
+@@ -228,8 +228,8 @@
+ Group:         System/Libraries
+ Provides:      %{name}-shared-libs = %{version}-%{release}
+ Provides:      %{name}-shared = %{version}-%{release}
+-Provides:      %mklibname mysql %{major} = %{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %mklibname mysql %{major} &lt; 5.5.18
++Provides:      %{_lib}mysql%{major} = %{version}-%{release}
++Obsoletes:     %{_lib}mysql%{major} &lt; 5.5.18
+ 
+ %description -n        %{libname}
+ This package contains the shared libraries (*.so*) which certain languages 
+and
+@@ -239,8 +239,8 @@
+ %package -n    %{libmariadbservices}
+ Summary:       Shared libraries
+ Group:         System/Libraries
+-Provides:      %mklibname mysqlservices = %{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %mklibname mysqlservices &lt; 5.5.18
++Provides:      %{_lib}mysqlservices = %{version}-%{release}
++Obsoletes:     %{_lib}mysqlservices &lt; 5.5.18
+ 
+ %description -n        %{libmariadbservices}
+ The libmariadbservices library provides access to the available services and 
+@@ -262,11 +262,10 @@
+ Requires:      %{name}-client &gt;= %{version}-%{release}
+ Provides:      %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+ Provides:      %{libname}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %{libname}-devel
++Obsoletes:     %{libname}-devel &lt; %{version}-%{release}
+ Obsoletes:     %{old_staticdevelname} &lt; 5.5.10
+-Obsoletes:     %mklibname -d mysql &lt; 5.5.18
+-Provides:      %mklibname -d mysql = %{version}-%{release}
+-Provides:      mysql-devel
++Obsoletes:     %{_lib}mysql-devel &lt; 5.5.18
++Provides:      mysql-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+ %description -n        %{develname}
+ This package contains the development header files and libraries necessary to
+@@ -277,8 +276,7 @@
+ Group:                 System/Libraries
+ Provides:      %{name}-embedded = %{version}-%{release}
+ Obsoletes:     %{name}-embedded &lt; 5.5.10-6
+-Provides:      %mklibname mysqld %{libmysqlembedded_major} = 
+%{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %mklibname mysqld %{libmysqlembedded_major} &lt; 5.5.18
++Obsoletes:     %{_lib}mysqld%{libmysqlembedded_major} &lt; 5.5.18
+
+ %description -n %{libmariadbembedded}
+ MariaDB is a multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database server. This
+@@ -292,11 +290,11 @@
+ Summary:       Development files for MySQL as an embeddable library
+ Group:                 Development/Other
+ Provides:      %{name}-embedded-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %{name}-embedded-devel &lt;  5.5.10-6
++Obsoletes:     %{name}-embedded-devel &lt; 5.5.10-6
+ Requires:      %{libmariadbembedded} = %{version}-%{release}
+ Requires:      %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+-Provides:      %mklibname -d mysqld = %{version}-%{release}
+-Obsoletes:     %mklibname -d mysqld &lt; 5.5.18
++Obsoletes:     %{_lib}mysqld-devel &lt; 5.5.18
++Provides:      mysql-embedded-devel = %{version}-%{release}
+
+ %description -n %{libmariadbembedded_devel}
+ MariaDB is a multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database server. This
+@@ -381,7 +379,7 @@
+     -DWITHOUT_DAEMON_EXAMPLE=1 \
+     -DWITH_PLUGIN_PBXT=1 \
+     -DFEATURE_SET=&quot;community&quot; \
+-    -DCOMPILATION_COMMENT=&quot;Mageia - MariaDB Community Edition (GPL)&quot;
++    -DCOMPILATION_COMMENT=&quot;%{_vendor} - MariaDB Community Edition (GPL)&quot;
+
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and next
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's then?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> super intuitive I agree so open to suggestions here... i.e. one option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be to only start txt ttys on 7 &amp; 8 (two should be enough right?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leaving tty 1 through 6 for graphical logins.
+</I>&gt;<i> if could be nice if they were &quot;on-demand&quot; ?
+</I>Couldn't they be socket-activated which is one of the killer features
+of systemd? Like with cups after Lennarts patches, which now only
+starts on-demand?
+&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what happens if X doesn't start on tty1 and tries to fall back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> console? will we have a black screen?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dunno about that one. We could maybe start a getty automatically on tty1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if this happens... will have to test how this would work in practice.
+</I>&gt;<i> would be nice to know what happens...
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Am 17.12.2011 02:26, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; next session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; then?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; super intuitive I agree so open to suggestions here... i.e. one option
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would be to only start txt ttys on 7 &amp; 8 (two should be enough right?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; leaving tty 1 through 6 for graphical logins.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if could be nice if they were &quot;on-demand&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't they be socket-activated which is one of the killer features
+</I>&gt;<i> of systemd? Like with cups after Lennarts patches, which now only
+</I>&gt;<i> starts on-demand?
+</I>[...]
+
+that would be nice, but what if you do a rapid ctrl+alt+F2-F8, all your stuff 
+will be tty, nothing left for sessions?
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+and what if you log into tty, and later log out again?
+
+perhaps if it's not logged in or shown, it should disappear again, freeing up 
+a spot for graphical sessions?
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+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 10:52:52 schreef Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 17.12.2011 02:26, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 02:03:55 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 17/12/11 00:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; how does this relate to multiple sessions? if it starts at tty1 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; next session starts at tty2 and so forth, were are the textbased tty's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; then?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2nd session starts on tty7 (i.e. the next available tty). Not exactly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; super intuitive I agree so open to suggestions here... i.e. one option
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would be to only start txt ttys on 7 &amp; 8 (two should be enough right?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; leaving tty 1 through 6 for graphical logins.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if could be nice if they were &quot;on-demand&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Couldn't they be socket-activated which is one of the killer features
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of systemd? Like with cups after Lennarts patches, which now only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> starts on-demand?
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that would be nice, but what if you do a rapid ctrl+alt+F2-F8, all your stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> will be tty, nothing left for sessions?
+</I>
+That's one matter, the other one will be teaching all users who were
+used to the current scheme, many of them using it for many years.
+Especially if we do not announce it with big fat red letters! Still
+there will be the fast C-ALT-F1-6 just from automatic procedure,
+people will be more annoyed by that than by a little flickering for a
+second during system start.
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+is mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
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+&gt;<i> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is mature enough to 
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+</I>People will get used to it rather fast.
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+&gt;<i> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People will get used to it rather fast.
+</I>
+May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+- ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
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+So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+justifies such a strong change?
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People will get used to it rather fast.
+</I>&gt;<i> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+</I>&gt;<i> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;<i> justifies such a strong change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, maybe you haven't heard of the related problems yet:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes</A>
+So what would be better: desktop session crashing when you press
+the enter key or ttys available on different keys?
+
+How hard is it to just press a different key or keep switching
+until you hit a tty? That's what i do when i forget on which key
+the damn x session was to get back to it. :)
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+Which is also differing between distros, some have x session on
+tty 1, some on 7 and Mandriva/Mageia since some time on 8,
+due to plymouth and the handover to the DM, IIRC.
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+&gt;<i> Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> People will get used to it rather fast.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> justifies such a strong change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, maybe you haven't heard of the related problems yet:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes</A>
+</I>
+Of course I read that part of the Errata but did not relate it to the
+matter of this thread - how could I as a non-developer? The relation
+has not been mentioned in the errata.
+
+As I wrote in my first mail I am not really against this change if
+there is a reason. There seems to be a reason (as you say), so it's
+ok. But still I think all open questions (especially the one about the
+situation of a crashing or failing x server) need to be addressed
+before the change is made in cauldron to be tested by a broader
+userbase. And I still think it needs to be announced all over the
+place when the change will be implemented.
+
+About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+documentations (even in the generic books about &quot;Learning Linux&quot;), a
+standard like the SAA menue standard (&quot;File&quot; on the left, &quot;Help&quot; on
+the right) or the &quot;F1 opens Help&quot; standard. Therefore changing this is
+a bit more than usual changes between versions.
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+-- 
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+&gt;<i> That's one matter, the other one will be teaching all users who were
+</I>&gt;<i> used to the current scheme, 
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+Don't underestimate the power of habits, versus the 'flicker' inconvenience.
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+It is a long habit, it is written in all How-To's, many also have panic 
+scripts that do 'chvt 1' when something goes wrong[1]
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+I'd say, a bug in plymouth/systemd/whatever needs to be fixed as a bug, not 
+trigger such a change of habits and/or standardisation.
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+Please don't break our text consoles. We may be spending 99.9% of our time in 
+X, but this 0,1% that we need the ttys is priceless!
+
+[1] remember, a few years ago.. ? the acpi power trick..
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+-- 
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am 17.12.2011 11:26, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2011/12/17 Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 17.12.2011 12:10, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I really beg to think the whole matter over again, at least until it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is mature enough to be implemented in cauldron for practical test.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; People will get used to it rather fast.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; justifies such a strong change?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, maybe you haven't heard of the related problems yet:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Xserver_crashes</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course I read that part of the Errata but did not relate it to the
+</I>&gt;<i> matter of this thread - how could I as a non-developer? The relation
+</I>&gt;<i> has not been mentioned in the errata.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As I wrote in my first mail I am not really against this change if
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a reason. There seems to be a reason (as you say), so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> ok. But still I think all open questions (especially the one about the
+</I>&gt;<i> situation of a crashing or failing x server) need to be addressed
+</I>&gt;<i> before the change is made in cauldron to be tested by a broader
+</I>&gt;<i> userbase. And I still think it needs to be announced all over the
+</I>&gt;<i> place when the change will be implemented.
+</I>
+it does need to be announced all over the place.
+
+&gt;<i> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+</I>&gt;<i> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+</I>&gt;<i> documentations (even in the generic books about &quot;Learning Linux&quot;), a
+</I>&gt;<i> standard like the SAA menue standard (&quot;File&quot; on the left, &quot;Help&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> the right) or the &quot;F1 opens Help&quot; standard. Therefore changing this is
+</I>&gt;<i> a bit more than usual changes between versions.
+</I>
+well, that may be true, but not anymore on all distros and during installation 
+times not anymore as well...
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+if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely only 
+work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be the 
+default for mga2 ...
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+but we can test, and work on that... if it doesn't work with sysvinit 
+properly, i still vote for returning to F7 ... but we can change that for beta 
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> %mklibname works fine,
+</I>Did you really have tests that if %mklibname works as expected?
+$ rpm -qp --obsoletes libmariadb18-5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2.i586.rpm
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+mariadb-shared-libs = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+mariadb-shared = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+libmysql18_=
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+libmariadb18 = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+libmariadb18(x86-32) = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
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+Please notify the empty version string in provides and obsoletes after &quot;=&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> your issue was the bug that mysql-devel wasn't properly
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoleted...
+</I>I guess not, having versioned obsoletes makes it possible if we will
+revert to mysql at some time in the future.
+
+&gt;<i> problem is, that you've removed some provides now, so if packages will be
+</I>&gt;<i> depending on lib64mysql18, it'll not be working now...
+</I>I don't see any package have direct dep on lib64mysql18 as package
+name, in cauldron repository.
+
+&gt;<i> you also did a wrong obsolete with %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, if a package has a maintainer, i think policy (or at least common
+</I>&gt;<i> courtesy) is to speak with maintainer about this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and why even submitting amarok, when mikala will bring new KDE soon?
+</I>Because amarok is a package listed in meta-task, we should make sure
+most of them at least installing correctly. Due to new mariadb changes
+libmajor of libmysqld.
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+&gt;<i> i'm resubmitting mariadb
+</I>That leads to the problems as i said.
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+&gt;<i> you should've just fixed the wrong obsoletes and vendor tag and missing
+</I>&gt;<i> provides.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 13:12:52 schreef Funda Wang:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %mklibname works fine,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you really have tests that if %mklibname works as expected?
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --obsoletes
+</I>&gt;<i> libmariadb18-5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2.i586.rpm libmysql18_&lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -qp --provides libmariadb18-5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2.i586.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-shared-libs = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> mariadb-shared = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysql18_=
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18(libmysqlclient_16)
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18(libmysqlclient_18)
+</I>&gt;<i> libmariadb18 = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> libmariadb18(x86-32) = 5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please notify the empty version string in provides and obsoletes after &quot;=&quot;.
+</I>[...]
+
+ah, didn't see that one... i've put the mklibnames in variables and 
+resubmitted.
+
+perhaps this can be documented somewhere(.spec file policy), or even better, 
+fixed?
+
+Thanks for letting me know, allthough i'd preferred if you spoke to maintainer 
+before doing this.
+
+AL13N
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+PS: I provided the exact provides as mysql, just to be sure that there is no 
+mageia (or otherwise 3rd party package) could be having troubles finding the 
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+</I>&gt;<i> if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely only
+</I>&gt;<i> work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> default for mga2 ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but we can test, and work on that... if it doesn't work with sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> properly, i still vote for returning to F7 ... but we can change that for beta
+</I>&gt;<i> release...
+</I>
+Yes.
+ - test on developer side until the questions are answered, AFTER that
+ - announce and explain in Errata, discuss mailing list, forum, AFTER that
+ - start to implement into cauldron.
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+A bit more is needed than &quot;Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now
+starts on tty1 by default.&quot;
+But I'd rather favor the solution of the related bug to avoid this
+whole &quot;workaround&quot;
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+Annsi, misc and myself were discussing obsoletes, and i think we should make a 
+policy for a structured comment, so that later (in some timeperiod that's as 
+of yet unspecified) we can remove older obsoletes in a structured way.
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+I propose we put a comment in the spec file, with the version the package will 
+be first used, so likely that is cauldron, so example:
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+&gt;<i> ah, didn't see that one... i've put the mklibnames in variables and
+</I>&gt;<i> resubmitted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps this can be documented somewhere(.spec file policy), or even better,
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed?
+</I>%mklibname takes a lot of parameters, so:
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+   Requires: %mklibname mysql %{major} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+will let %mklibname think its parameters are:
+%1: mysql
+%2: %{major}
+%3: =
+%4: %{version}-%{release}
+
+After parsing, %mklibname only recognize the first three paramerters,
+and put an underscore between %2 and %3. so it becomes:
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+%{_lib}mysql%{major}_=
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+And, %4(%{version}-%{release}) will be throw away.
+
+&gt;<i> PS: I provided the exact provides as mysql, just to be sure that there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia (or otherwise 3rd party package) could be having troubles finding the
+</I>&gt;<i> correct packages.
+</I>As mariadb is a binary replacement for mysql, why not just named the
+libs as %{_lib}mysql18 and %{_lib}mysqld18, which is more accurate
+than %{_lib}mariadb18. Almost all the packages are using binary
+dependencies (libmysqlclient.so.18) rather than rpm name dependencies,
+which is more nature than package name, and more reliable.
+
+Personally, I don't think libmysqld18 (now it is named
+libmariadb-embedded18) should have any relationship with libmysqld0.
+They have different libmajor, which means all the packages depending
+on libmysqld0 should be recompiled. So basically, they are different
+libs actually. Adding symbolic link won't provide any help, either.
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Annsi, misc and myself were discussing obsoletes, and i think we should make a 
+</I>&gt;<i> policy for a structured comment, so that later (in some timeperiod that's as 
+</I>&gt;<i> of yet unspecified) we can remove older obsoletes in a structured way.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose we put a comment in the spec file, with the version the package will 
+</I>&gt;<i> be first used, so likely that is cauldron, so example:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # Obsoletes: mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> (before the obsolete line)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> if noone objects, we can put the policy on the wiki somewhere
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+For the record, I'd prefer e.g.
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+# added 2011-04
+Obsoletes: foobar &lt; 3.4
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+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ah, didn't see that one... i've put the mklibnames in variables and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> resubmitted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps this can be documented somewhere(.spec file policy), or even better,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed?
+</I>&gt;<i> %mklibname takes a lot of parameters, so:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>    Requires: %mklibname mysql %{major} = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> will let %mklibname think its parameters are:
+</I>&gt;<i> %1: mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> %2: %{major}
+</I>&gt;<i> %3: =
+</I>&gt;<i> %4: %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> After parsing, %mklibname only recognize the first three paramerters,
+</I>&gt;<i> and put an underscore between %2 and %3. so it becomes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_lib}mysql%{major}_=
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And, %4(%{version}-%{release}) will be throw away.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PS: I provided the exact provides as mysql, just to be sure that there is no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia (or otherwise 3rd party package) could be having troubles finding the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> correct packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> As mariadb is a binary replacement for mysql, why not just named the
+</I>&gt;<i> libs as %{_lib}mysql18 and %{_lib}mysqld18, which is more accurate
+</I>&gt;<i> than %{_lib}mariadb18. Almost all the packages are using binary
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies (libmysqlclient.so.18) rather than rpm name dependencies,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is more nature than package name, and more reliable.
+</I>
++1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+libmysqlclient.so.18.
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+Even better, just make it libmysqlclient18 for consistency.
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+&gt;<i> Personally, I don't think libmysqld18 (now it is named
+</I>&gt;<i> libmariadb-embedded18) should have any relationship with libmysqld0.
+</I>&gt;<i> They have different libmajor, which means all the packages depending
+</I>&gt;<i> on libmysqld0 should be recompiled. So basically, they are different
+</I>&gt;<i> libs actually. Adding symbolic link won't provide any help, either.
+</I>
++1 for removal of symlink, and +1 for rename to libmysqld18.
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+<PRE>Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 15:45:42 schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>But mariadb is not mysql, it's a kind of fork of mysql.
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+We don't call libreoffice openoffice and we don't call Mageia Mandriva, do we?
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+&gt;<i> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 15:45:42 schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>&gt;<i> But mariadb is not mysql, it's a kind of fork of mysql.
+</I>The fact is, if package foo is requiring libmysqlclient.so.18, and
+there are libmysql18-5.5.15 and libmariadb18-5.5.18, urpmi will select
+libmariadb18 because of its higher version. And, from [1], it is said,
+mariadb is a binary drop in replacement for mysql, which quite
+different from the word of fork.
+
+[1]: <A HREF="http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql">http://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql</A>
+
+&gt;<i> We don't call libreoffice openoffice and we don't call Mageia Mandriva, do we?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+&gt;<i> so that later &lt;...&gt; we can remove older obsoletes in a structured way.
+</I>
+This might be obvious, but just in case it ain't.
+One need to make sure that the obsoleted package is removed from the new release's and mirrors before removing the obsoletes from the spec file, if that's what you were thinking of. The proposed wiki article('s) and documentation should say something about it.
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+&gt;<i> # Obsoletes: mga2 
+</I>&gt;<i> (before the obsolete line)
+</I>
+The wording needs a little working on. The example suggest that mga2 is to be obsoleted. and clearly that ain't the intetion. ;-)=
+I'd sugest &quot;Obsoleted in: mga2&quot;
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+A combination of that and Anssi's suggestion could work.
+# Obsoleted in: mga2 - added 2011-04
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+<PRE>On 17.12.2011 15:59, Oliver Burger wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 15:45:42 schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>&gt;<i> But mariadb is not mysql, it's a kind of fork of mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We don't call libreoffice openoffice and we don't call Mageia Mandriva, do we?
+</I>
+Fair points.
+
+IMHO library packages should still be primarily named after the library
+they contain, regardless of project name.
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+But indeed we have no clear policy regarding that, making it kind of
+maintainer decision.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 17 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:14:52 Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 17.12.2011 15:59, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 15:45:42 schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But mariadb is not mysql, it's a kind of fork of mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We don't call libreoffice openoffice and we don't call Mageia Mandriva, do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we?
+</I>&gt;<i> Fair points.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO library packages should still be primarily named after the library
+</I>&gt;<i> they contain, regardless of project name.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But indeed we have no clear policy regarding that, making it kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer decision.
+</I>Well since we still don't know if we're going to follow mariadb path or mysql, 
+we should probably better stick to mariadb inside the library name.
+(Not to mention we don't know if mariadb is not going to change the library's 
+name from libmysql to libmariadb.)
+
+Regards,
+ 
+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> have to update the default inittab, but the principle is the same. We
+</I>&gt;<i> want X there, not a login.
+</I>
+I wonder why that is needed...
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+If it is to prevent flickering when switching tty1-&gt;tty7, can't we just
+e.g. make the kernel use tty7 by default if needed?
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+<PRE>On Saturday, December 17, 2011 03:54:33 AM P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 17 December 2011, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's one matter, the other one will be teaching all users who were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; used to the current scheme,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't underestimate the power of habits, versus the 'flicker'
+</I>&gt;<i> inconvenience.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a long habit, it is written in all How-To's, many also have panic
+</I>&gt;<i> scripts that do 'chvt 1' when something goes wrong[1]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd say, a bug in plymouth/systemd/whatever needs to be fixed as a bug, not
+</I>&gt;<i> trigger such a change of habits and/or standardisation.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't break our text consoles. We may be spending 99.9% of our time
+</I>&gt;<i> in X, but this 0,1% that we need the ttys is priceless!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> [1] remember, a few years ago.. ? the acpi power trick..
+</I>+1
+-- 
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+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 17 December 2011 14:13, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so that later &lt;...&gt; we can remove older obsoletes in a structured way.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> This might be obvious, but just in case it ain't.
+</I>&gt;<i> One need to make sure that the obsoleted package is removed from the new
+</I>&gt;<i> release's and mirrors before removing the obsoletes from the spec file, if
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what you were thinking of. The proposed wiki article('s) and
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation should say something about it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # Obsoletes: mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (before the obsolete line)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The wording needs a little working on. The example suggest that mga2 is to
+</I>&gt;<i> be obsoleted. and clearly that ain't the intetion. ;-)= I'd sugest
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Obsoleted in: mga2&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A combination of that and Anssi's suggestion could work.
+</I>&gt;<i> # Obsoleted in: mga2 - added 2011-04
+</I>I don't care about the form, but I think it's a good idea and when someone 
+will put it into the documentation, even better :)
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ah, didn't see that one... i've put the mklibnames in variables and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; resubmitted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perhaps this can be documented somewhere(.spec file policy), or even
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; better, fixed?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> %mklibname takes a lot of parameters, so:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>    Requires: %mklibname mysql %{major} = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> will let %mklibname think its parameters are:
+</I>&gt;<i> %1: mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> %2: %{major}
+</I>&gt;<i> %3: =
+</I>&gt;<i> %4: %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> After parsing, %mklibname only recognize the first three paramerters,
+</I>&gt;<i> and put an underscore between %2 and %3. so it becomes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> %{_lib}mysql%{major}_=
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And, %4(%{version}-%{release}) will be throw away.
+</I>
+right, i figured it out, after i saw it. thanks for the lengthy explanation. 
+Speaking with Anssi about this, he mentions that
+
+%{mklibname mysql %{major}} = %{version}-%{release}
+
+would have also solved the issue.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; PS: I provided the exact provides as mysql, just to be sure that there is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no mageia (or otherwise 3rd party package) could be having troubles
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; finding the correct packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As mariadb is a binary replacement for mysql, why not just named the
+</I>&gt;<i> libs as %{_lib}mysql18 and %{_lib}mysqld18, which is more accurate
+</I>&gt;<i> than %{_lib}mariadb18. Almost all the packages are using binary
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies (libmysqlclient.so.18) rather than rpm name dependencies,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is more nature than package name, and more reliable.
+</I>
+i understand, however the %mklibname macro is actually meant for this, and 
+will not change.
+
+furthermore, speaking with Anssi about this, 
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+&gt;<i> Personally, I don't think libmysqld18 (now it is named
+</I>&gt;<i> libmariadb-embedded18) should have any relationship with libmysqld0.
+</I>&gt;<i> They have different libmajor, which means all the packages depending
+</I>&gt;<i> on libmysqld0 should be recompiled. So basically, they are different
+</I>&gt;<i> libs actually. Adding symbolic link won't provide any help, either.
+</I>
+in respect to the embedded libraries, it's not actually,
+
+their upstream version was more or less copied from mysql and the developer 
+who implemented the cmake change in 5.5 branch for mysql, is the same person 
+who's now maintaining that 5.5 cmake branch.
+
+I mentioned that this library should be versioned, and that it's not at this 
+time, he agreed, and said that since it's ABI compatible with mysqlclient, 
+that he should not use 0 major, but the 18 major (same as mysqlclient)
+
+the code is still 100% exactly the same, it just went from unversioned in 
+upstream to versioned.
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+since we had versioned manually mysqld to major 0, i provided the 
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+&gt;<i> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+</I>&gt;<i> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+</I>
+quite a lot more end users have tested other distro such as fedora so I
+think there're now quite a lot more users who expect x11 on tty1 than
+on those who expect it on tty7
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+&gt;<i> So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;<i> justifies such a strong change?
+</I>
+you're kidding...
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be fixed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099</A>
+</I>
+All of this should be reverted
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+&gt;<i> i really think that this have nothing to do on our rpms
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if &quot;%{distribution}&quot; == &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160; &#160; %if %mdkversion &lt; 200900
+</I>&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160; &#160; %post -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160; &#160; %postun -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig
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+&gt;<i> On 17 December 2011 11:26, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May be yes, may be no. I'm thinking about those computer adepts who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have spent 10-15 years with the Ctrl-Alt-F1 combo, is it so easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change a grown habit which is like the &quot;Red = Stop!&quot; paradigma? I'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thinking also about all those who spend time with different distros,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having to change one of the most common procedures just for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm thinking of rather new Linuxers who follow advice in documentation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ALL docs on the net talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1, all generic books like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux in a Nutshell or others talk about Ctrl-Alt-F1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> quite a lot more end users have tested other distro such as fedora so I
+</I>&gt;<i> think there're now quite a lot more users who expect x11 on tty1 than
+</I>&gt;<i> on those who expect it on tty7
+</I>
+Ah, is Fedora also doing this? I haven't heard that before.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> justifies such a strong change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you're kidding...
+</I>
+If you read some other comments here you think they are kidding, too?
+As a special service I will tell you next time when I'm kidding.
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+-- 
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 17 December 2011 11:26, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, my question is whether a second's flickering during startup really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; justifies such a strong change?
+</I>
+I was thinking the same thing, but hold it to myself.
+Another friend of mine which is not in any of these lists, and is blind, was surprised to hear about this change, and was wondering whether this was a Mageia specifi change. I said I believe it was.
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+&gt;<i> you're kidding...
+</I>
+No, we're not.
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+</I>&gt;<i> hear about this change, and was wondering whether this was a Mageia specifi change. I said 
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+</I>Well, it's not.
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+    <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B> 
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+<PRE>I will in a moment. Dont know what happened since i only update tarball
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+Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless
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+-----Mensaje original-----
+De: Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Para: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Cc: Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt;
+Enviado: s&#225;bado 17 de diciembre de 2011 16:58:44 GMT+00:00
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+
+On 17 December 2011 02:59, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At some point all the Magiaification of postfix has been undone and it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> refers again to Mandriva Linux in various man pages and config files etc...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure if it was this version or from before, but it should certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be fixed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages?view=revision&amp;revision=158099</A>
+</I>
+All of this should be reverted
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+&gt;<i> i really think that this have nothing to do on our rpms
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +%if &quot;%{distribution}&quot; == &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;
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+</I>&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160; &#160; %postun -n %{libname} -p /sbin/ldconfig
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+</I>&gt;<i> +%endif
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+    <B>John Balcaen</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> One more thing, i did use gold as linker for test purpose as suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> some day^^^months ago by Thierry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok so i'll start pushing today KDE 4.8 once qtwebkit build is done.
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:11:48 -0500, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I'll have a look and if I cannot come up with something better, I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> just give up and force grep to be installed :D
+</I>
+With the current versions of dracut and lvm, lvm is failing to load
+due to libncursesw.so.5 not loading.
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+I've solved it on my system for now, by copying
+# ll /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     18 Jul  1 13:41 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5 -&gt; libncursesw.so.5.9*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 369968 Jul  1 04:01 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5.9*
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+to /lib, running ldconfig and adding
+install_items+=(/lib/libncursesw.so.5.9 /lib/libncursesw.so.5)
+to /etc/dracut.conf.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 17/12/11 20:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:11:48 -0500, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll have a look and if I cannot come up with something better, I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just give up and force grep to be installed :D
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> With the current versions of dracut and lvm, lvm is failing to load
+</I>&gt;<i> due to libncursesw.so.5 not loading.
+</I>
+This is strange. I've got LVM on my system and it works fine :s
+
+Dracut should install all dynamic libs needed by apps. Which app needs
+this library specifically?
+
+&gt;<i> I've solved it on my system for now, by copying
+</I>&gt;<i> # ll /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     18 Jul  1 13:41 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5 -&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> libncursesw.so.5.9*
+</I>&gt;<i> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 369968 Jul  1 04:01 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5.9*
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> to /lib, running ldconfig and adding
+</I>&gt;<i> install_items+=(/lib/libncursesw.so.5.9 /lib/libncursesw.so.5)
+</I>&gt;<i> to /etc/dracut.conf.
+</I>
+Cool, good to know it works with tweaks... now to make it automatic.
+
+What is strange is that my initrd contains:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at jimmy</A> ~]# lsinitrd| grep libnc
+lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           18 Dec 17 10:41
+usr/lib64/libncursesw.so.5 -&gt; libncursesw.so.5.9
+-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       399664 Jul  1 09:00
+usr/lib64/libncursesw.so.5.9
+lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           18 Dec 17 10:41
+usr/lib64/libncursesw.so -&gt; libncursesw.so.5.9
+
+
+So I've got the necessary lib... I wonder if this is a side effect of me
+having lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-2.mga2 installed (i.e. the dev package)?
+Perhaps it's someone the key to including the right lib? Perhaps you can
+test by installing the 32 bit devel package and seeing if the lib is
+then included automatically?
+
+
+FWIW, dracut is crazy easy to hack on so if you can have a play with it,
+I'll happily review and merge your patch into our package and push it
+upstream if needed.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+</I>&gt;<i> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+</I>&gt;<i> documentations.
+</I>
+Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
+Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
+99.5% of the use cases and we have to move with the times. There is no
+point keeping this static for the sake of &quot;that's how it's been done
+before&quot;. This is the kind of mentality that block progress.
+
+If we don't want progress and if we don't want to shake of some of the
+hangovers from the old Unix days, we wouldn't have udev, we wouldn't
+have systemd and we wouldn't have numerous other bits.
+
+The same arguments can easily be applied to other areas (people expect
+system service scripts to be in /etc/init.d/ etc.). We need to let it go.
+
+As graphical logins are the norm, we should be be catering to them
+first, and leave text logins for special cases.
+
+That's my take on it.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/12/11 20:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> documentations.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
+</I>&gt;<i> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
+</I>&gt;<i> 99.5% of the use cases and we have to move with the times. There is no
+</I>&gt;<i> point keeping this static for the sake of &quot;that's how it's been done
+</I>&gt;<i> before&quot;. This is the kind of mentality that block progress.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If we don't want progress and if we don't want to shake of some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> hangovers from the old Unix days, we wouldn't have udev, we wouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> have systemd and we wouldn't have numerous other bits.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The same arguments can easily be applied to other areas (people expect
+</I>&gt;<i> system service scripts to be in /etc/init.d/ etc.). We need to let it go.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> As graphical logins are the norm, we should be be catering to them
+</I>&gt;<i> first, and leave text logins for special cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That's my take on it.
+</I>
+Oh and I forgot to say Fedora have been doing this for a long time and
+other distros have also been experimenting with it too, so this is very
+much not something we're going out on a limb to do, but we are trying to
+push things forward a bit.
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> documentations.
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's my take on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hello, I have tested in cauldron and it's working fine. Please add an 
+end message at the end of the boot-procedure &quot;Bott procedure succeed. 
+Hit ALT-F2 for text log-in.&quot;. Some people use minimal systems for simple 
+tests - I'm doing it for my packages in a pure environment.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/12/11 20:21 did gyre and gimble:
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+&gt;<i> So I've got the necessary lib... I wonder if this is a side effect of me
+</I>&gt;<i> having lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-2.mga2 installed (i.e. the dev package)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it's someone the key to including the right lib? Perhaps you can
+</I>&gt;<i> test by installing the 32 bit devel package and seeing if the lib is
+</I>&gt;<i> then included automatically?
+</I>
+I tried removing the devel pkg and I still got it... I guess it might be
+a 32-bit issue?
+
+If you just checkout the dracut source package (plus our patches) you
+can run it in tree with &quot;./dracut -l -H -f foo.img&quot; and inspect with
+&quot;lsinitrd foo.img&quot;, so if you can have a fiddle that would be great.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 17/12/11 20:30 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 17.12.2011 21:24, Colin Guthrie pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 17/12/11 10:58 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> About the question how hard it is to press another key: not hard. But
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Ctrl-Alt-F1 has been a standard in ALL distributions and ALL
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> documentations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's my take on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello, I have tested in cauldron and it's working fine. Please add an
+</I>&gt;<i> end message at the end of the boot-procedure &quot;Bott procedure succeed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hit ALT-F2 for text log-in.&quot;. Some people use minimal systems for simple
+</I>&gt;<i> tests - I'm doing it for my packages in a pure environment.
+</I>
+I'll work something out... perhaps starting getty on tty1 automatically
+if e.g. prefdm does not run a graphical login. (this would be easy
+enough to hack in).
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 14:45:42 schreef Anssi Hannula:
+&gt;<i> On 17.12.2011 15:23, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ah, didn't see that one... i've put the mklibnames in variables and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; resubmitted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; perhaps this can be documented somewhere(.spec file policy), or even
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; better, fixed?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %mklibname takes a lot of parameters, so:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    Requires: %mklibname mysql %{major} = %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will let %mklibname think its parameters are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %1: mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %2: %{major}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %3: =
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %4: %{version}-%{release}
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After parsing, %mklibname only recognize the first three paramerters,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and put an underscore between %2 and %3. so it becomes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %{_lib}mysql%{major}_=
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And, %4(%{version}-%{release}) will be throw away.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; PS: I provided the exact provides as mysql, just to be sure that there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is no mageia (or otherwise 3rd party package) could be having troubles
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; finding the correct packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As mariadb is a binary replacement for mysql, why not just named the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libs as %{_lib}mysql18 and %{_lib}mysqld18, which is more accurate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than %{_lib}mariadb18. Almost all the packages are using binary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dependencies (libmysqlclient.so.18) rather than rpm name dependencies,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which is more nature than package name, and more reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;<i> libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>
+err... no it doesn't, i just said it had the same ABI compatibility, it has 
+nothing to do with libmysqlclient
+
+&gt;<i> Even better, just make it libmysqlclient18 for consistency.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally, I don't think libmysqld18 (now it is named
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libmariadb-embedded18) should have any relationship with libmysqld0.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; They have different libmajor, which means all the packages depending
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on libmysqld0 should be recompiled. So basically, they are different
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libs actually. Adding symbolic link won't provide any help, either.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 for removal of symlink, and +1 for rename to libmysqld18.
+</I>
+ok, as i replied before, the story is a bit different.
+
+and also, libmysqld0 contains (contrary to intuition), libmysqld.so.X, which 
+is the &quot;embedded&quot; mysql version.
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+calling it libmariadb-embedded (i could hardly have called it libmariadbd or 
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 17 december 2011 16:22:50 schreef Balcaen John:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 17 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:14:52 Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 17.12.2011 15:59, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 15:45:42 schrieb Anssi Hannula:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; +1 for not naming it as libmariadb18 if it actually contains
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; libmysqlclient.so.18.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; But mariadb is not mysql, it's a kind of fork of mysql.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We don't call libreoffice openoffice and we don't call Mageia Mandriva,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; do we?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fair points.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IMHO library packages should still be primarily named after the library
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they contain, regardless of project name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But indeed we have no clear policy regarding that, making it kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maintainer decision.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Well since we still don't know if we're going to follow mariadb path or
+</I>&gt;<i> mysql, we should probably better stick to mariadb inside the library name.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Not to mention we don't know if mariadb is not going to change the
+</I>&gt;<i> library's name from libmysql to libmariadb.)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+knowing that almost all &quot;Mysql AB&quot; programmers are now in &quot;Monty Program&quot; and 
+together with alot other devs are now in mariadb, and oracle had to hire alot 
+of new devs to work on mysql... and that Oracle is already busy close-sourcing 
+stuff...
+
+i have a feeling that it'll go from a drop-in replacement to a full fork 
+somewhere in the future. thus it's not farfetched that they would actually 
+rename it.
+
+i'd like to keep it like this for now, we'll see how things evolve.
+
+AL13N
+
+PS: original founder monty, however feels actually no need to rename any of 
+it, since he sees it as a continuation and that his programs are named after 
+his kids :-). other people feel they should break with oracle and thus do 
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if we get such a dynamic scheme, that would be nice. but that will likely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only work on systemd... what about sysvinit? it was still supposed to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the default for mga2 ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but we can test, and work on that... if it doesn't work with sysvinit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; properly, i still vote for returning to F7 ... but we can change that for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; beta release...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>  - test on developer side until the questions are answered, AFTER that
+</I>&gt;<i>  - announce and explain in Errata, discuss mailing list, forum, AFTER that
+</I>&gt;<i>  - start to implement into cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A bit more is needed than &quot;Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now
+</I>&gt;<i> starts on tty1 by default.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> But I'd rather favor the solution of the related bug to avoid this
+</I>&gt;<i> whole &quot;workaround&quot;
+</I>
+otoh, i can understand if people want to temporarily put things in cauldron, 
+so they are tested.
+
+and likely he did test, but didn't think as far ahead as the rest of us.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/17 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; you're kidding...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If you read some other comments here you think they are kidding, too?
+</I>&gt;<i> As a special service I will tell you next time when I'm kidding.
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+&gt;<i> On 17.12.2011 15:13, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> For the record, I'd prefer e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> # added 2011-04
+</I>&gt;<i> Obsoletes: foobar &lt; 3.4
+</I>
+imho, it should be more the last time this obsolete is adapted.
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+and adding a date, doesn't really say much about the release it's for, what if 
+it's been done with update after release? that would mean we got the wrong 
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday, December 17, 2011 08:04:42 AM Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; A combination of that and Anssi's suggestion could work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; # Obsoleted in: mga2 - added 2011-04
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+</I>&gt;<i> I don't care about the form, but I think it's a good idea and when someone
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+I'm maintaining mediawiki and drupal.
+
+Both packages require a php database module but both can work with mysql, 
+postgresql and sqlite.
+
+Now the mediawiki package does simply require both php-mysql and php-pgsql, 
+which is bad since it leads to installing unneeded database libraries in the 
+system.
+Drupal has three sub packages which doe require the respective php database 
+module and one of the three is required by drupal itself, which is some kind 
+of ugly workarround.
+
+I think it would be a cleaner solution to have php-X providing something 
+common and php-pdo_X providing something common (X being one of mysql, pgsql 
+or sqlite).
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+What do you think?
+I tried contacting the php maintainer by mail, but he didn't answer me.
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+Oliver
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+these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.
+The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don't have i18n teams in 
+Mageia.
+So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings 
+about Mandriva.
+
+Now there are two solutions.
+Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations 
+(and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as 
+well :D)
+or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will 
+then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.
+
+If you are interested in helping us, have a look at 
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>)
+and do contact me.
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This comment is in the udev spec:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 178334 &#160; &#160;dmorgan # /!\ Do not update to version 175, drakx needs to be
+</I>&gt;<i> ported before
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does anyone know what needs to be done to port drakx?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm running the newer udev without any problems here.
+</I>
+Running yes but this will break the installer.
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+/sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate /dev/input/by-id/xxx
+seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+<PRE>On 18 December 2011 00:00, D.Morgan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 178334 &#160; &#160;dmorgan # /!\ Do not update to version 175, drakx needs to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ported before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone know what needs to be done to port drakx?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm running the newer udev without any problems here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Running yes but this will break the installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate /dev/input/by-id/xxx
+</I>&gt;<i> seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,</A> still waiting for your
+input.
+Colin, can you test the suggested change?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone know what needs to be done to port drakx?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm running the newer udev without any problems here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Running yes but this will break the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate /dev/input/by-id/xxx
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,</A> still waiting for your
+</I>&gt;<i> input.
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin, can you test the suggested change?
+</I>
+And BTW please upload udev-175 in core/updates_testing so that
+we can test w/o everyone having to locally build newer udev after
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+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1:4.7.90-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 182202
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.7.90
+</I>&gt;<i> - use kde4_macros
+</I>
+BTW, if you could not fill the building queue with too many packages
+so that other can have a reasonable build time...
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+Think about too many buffered packets in a router that
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+</I>&gt;<i> time, he agreed, and said that since it's ABI compatible with mysqlclient,
+</I>&gt;<i> that he should not use 0 major, but the 18 major (same as mysqlclient)
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+</I>&gt;<i> upstream to versioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> since we had versioned manually mysqld to major 0, i provided the
+</I>&gt;<i> compatibility symlinks for it.
+</I>
+I've now figured out why my cauldron install is locking up.
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+I managed to get htop running before it locked.  It showed swap usage
+climbing.  I got it to sort by vmsize.  It showed mysqldb using over
+2.5GB MV, and 1.5GB ram, on my 2GB ram system.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Dracut should install all dynamic libs needed by apps. Which app needs
+</I>&gt;<i> this library specifically?
+</I>
+When I tried to boot after running dracut with the default config, I
+was dropped to a shell, with the non-lvm root mounted.
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+I then tried running &quot;/sbin/lvm vgchange -a y --ignorelockingfailure&quot;,
+and it failed due to the missing libncursesw.so.5 module.
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+Now that I think about it, a bit more, I think I had already been
+chrooted into the root, so since /usr hadn't been mounted, of course
+the module could not be accessed.  Something else must have gone wrong
+before the chroot, that I didn't see.
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+&gt;<i> So I've got the necessary lib... I wonder if this is a side effect of me
+</I>&gt;<i> having lib64ncursesw-devel-5.9-2.mga2 installed (i.e. the dev package)?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it's someone the key to including the right lib? Perhaps you can
+</I>&gt;<i> test by installing the 32 bit devel package and seeing if the lib is
+</I>&gt;<i> then included automatically?
+</I>
+I'll test that, and report back.
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:10:29 -0500, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I mentioned that this library should be versioned, and that it's not at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this time, he agreed, and said that since it's ABI compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mysqlclient, that he should not use 0 major, but the 18 major (same as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mysqlclient)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the code is still 100% exactly the same, it just went from unversioned in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upstream to versioned.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since we had versioned manually mysqld to major 0, i provided the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compatibility symlinks for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've now figured out why my cauldron install is locking up.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I managed to get htop running before it locked.  It showed swap usage
+</I>&gt;<i> climbing.  I got it to sort by vmsize.  It showed mysqldb using over
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.5GB MV, and 1.5GB ram, on my 2GB ram system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+that is a lot of memory, do you have any mysqld logs? and also, for the 
+record, you have mariadb installed?
+
+can you check if you have the latest, if there is still a part of mysql 
+installed?
+
+what kind of databases do you have, and which ones were created by mariadb? 
+what kind of load do you have? what app is querying mariadb? do you have a 
+slow-queries mysql log file?
+
+how big are the recent mysql-binlogs?
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+perhaps you can make a bug report, this would be easier to follow up on.
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:10:29 -0500, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I mentioned that this library should be versioned, and that it's not at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this time, he agreed, and said that since it's ABI compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mysqlclient, that he should not use 0 major, but the 18 major (same as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mysqlclient)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the code is still 100% exactly the same, it just went from unversioned in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upstream to versioned.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since we had versioned manually mysqld to major 0, i provided the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compatibility symlinks for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've now figured out why my cauldron install is locking up.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I managed to get htop running before it locked.  It showed swap usage
+</I>&gt;<i> climbing.  I got it to sort by vmsize.  It showed mysqldb using over
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.5GB MV, and 1.5GB ram, on my 2GB ram system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 18 december 2011 01:06:19 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 18 december 2011 00:36:36 schreef David W. Hodgins:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:10:29 -0500, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I mentioned that this library should be versioned, and that it's not at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this time, he agreed, and said that since it's ABI compatible with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mysqlclient, that he should not use 0 major, but the 18 major (same as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mysqlclient)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the code is still 100% exactly the same, it just went from unversioned
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in upstream to versioned.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; since we had versioned manually mysqld to major 0, i provided the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; compatibility symlinks for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've now figured out why my cauldron install is locking up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I managed to get htop running before it locked.  It showed swap usage
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; climbing.  I got it to sort by vmsize.  It showed mysqldb using over
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2.5GB MV, and 1.5GB ram, on my 2GB ram system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> that is a lot of memory, do you have any mysqld logs? and also, for the
+</I>&gt;<i> record, you have mariadb installed?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> can you check if you have the latest, if there is still a part of mysql
+</I>&gt;<i> installed?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> what kind of databases do you have, and which ones were created by mariadb?
+</I>&gt;<i> what kind of load do you have? what app is querying mariadb? do you have a
+</I>&gt;<i> slow-queries mysql log file?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> how big are the recent mysql-binlogs?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps you can make a bug report, this would be easier to follow up on.
+</I>
+oh and were any mysql libraries still loaded? ie: programs linked to mysql, 
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+I'm looking to potentially contribute to Mageia and would like to get 
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+looking for someplace I could find a list of unmaintained or orphan 
+packages that I could maybe help with and learn from at the same time. 
+Is there such a list someplace? If not, any pointers towards where to 
+start finding what needs a potential maintainer would be helpful. I just 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/12/11 23:10 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 17 Dec 2011, at 23:00, &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /dev/input/by-id/xxx seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Hmm. Not at my computer but I thought it still existed but under a
+</I>&gt;<i> different path. Maybe not, but I'll check when I get back later.
+</I>
+Yup, it's still there in /lib/udev/usb_id.
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+Perhaps the udevadm way is better tho'. I'll try and review.
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+Col
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+-- 
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking to potentially contribute to Mageia and would like to get some
+</I>&gt;<i> practice in packaging. I have done extensive deb packaging/maintaining but am
+</I>&gt;<i> very behind on RPM's. I was digging around looking for someplace I could find a
+</I>&gt;<i> list of unmaintained or orphan packages that I could maybe help with and learn
+</I>&gt;<i> from at the same time. Is there such a list someplace? If not, any pointers
+</I>&gt;<i> towards where to start finding what needs a potential maintainer would be
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful. I just figure maybe I could knock out two birds with the proverbial one
+</I>&gt;<i> stone.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Josh
+</I>
+Hi Josh,
+
+Your help would be very welcome.
+There is a list of package that have no maintainer at:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A>
+
+If you wish to become a packager, we have a very successful apprenticeship
+program: just follow the instructions at
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+and come join us at #mageia-mentoring on freenode.
+
+Cheers,
+-- 
+Malo
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+    <B>Josh King</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 18/12/11 01:10, Josh King wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking to potentially contribute to Mageia and would like to get some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> practice in packaging. I have done extensive deb packaging/maintaining but am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> very behind on RPM's. I was digging around looking for someplace I could find a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list of unmaintained or orphan packages that I could maybe help with and learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from at the same time. Is there such a list someplace? If not, any pointers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> towards where to start finding what needs a potential maintainer would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> helpful. I just figure maybe I could knock out two birds with the proverbial one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Josh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Josh,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your help would be very welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a list of package that have no maintainer at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/data/unmaintained.txt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you wish to become a packager, we have a very successful apprenticeship
+</I>&gt;<i> program: just follow the instructions at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">http://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and come join us at #mageia-mentoring on freenode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+Awesome, thanks! Look for nick dotmil on freenode soon.
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm maintaining mediawiki and drupal.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Both packages require a php database module but both can work with mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> postgresql and sqlite.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now the mediawiki package does simply require both php-mysql and php-pgsql,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is bad since it leads to installing unneeded database libraries in
+</I>&gt;<i> the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> Drupal has three sub packages which doe require the respective php database
+</I>&gt;<i> module and one of the three is required by drupal itself, which is some
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of ugly workarround.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be a cleaner solution to have php-X providing something
+</I>&gt;<i> common and php-pdo_X providing something common (X being one of mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> pgsql or sqlite).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried contacting the php maintainer by mail, but he didn't answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>Because he is trying to get php-gkt2 built :)
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 18/12/11 01:23 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 17/12/11 23:10 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 17 Dec 2011, at 23:00, &quot;D.Morgan&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /dev/input/by-id/xxx seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm. Not at my computer but I thought it still existed but under a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different path. Maybe not, but I'll check when I get back later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, it's still there in /lib/udev/usb_id.
+</I>
+Erm, forget me, I forgot I'd reverted to test something :s It's gone.
+
+&gt;<i> Perhaps the udevadm way is better tho'. I'll try and review.
+</I>
+Doing this would get the correct device path:
+
+udevadm info --query=symlink
+--path=/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input9/mouse1
+|<i> cut -d' ' -f1
+</I>input/by-id/usb-Microsoft_Microsoft_Optical_Mouse_with_Tilt_Wheel-mouse
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+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Dracut should install all dynamic libs needed by apps. Which app needs
+</I>&gt;<i> this library specifically?
+</I>
+Do you have /usr on a logical volume?
+
+I've figured out now, that /lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/50mount-usr.sh is
+failing, as lvm has not yet been activated.
+
+Later, I'm dropped to a shell, after the switch to the new root, and
+since /usr hasn't been mounted, any commands that try to load
+/usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5 such as lvm, grep, or less, will fail.
+
+When I've copied /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5* to /lib and run ldconfig,
+it still fails in 50mount-usr, but succeeds later, after the root
+switch.
+
+The dm-mod module loading, and the &quot;lvm vgchange -ay --sysinit&quot; command
+should be run before looking for the root file system, as it too could be
+on a logical volume.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:12:21 -0500, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> that is a lot of memory, do you have any mysqld logs? and also, for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> record, you have mariadb installed?
+</I>
+This is from akonadi under kde4.  I'll look to see if I can find any logs
+ from that.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> can you check if you have the latest, if there is still a part of mysql
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed?
+</I>
+Yes, it's mariadb-5.5.18-0.bzr3169.20111216.3.mga2.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> what kind of databases do you have, and which ones were created by mariadb?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what kind of load do you have? what app is querying mariadb? do you have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> slow-queries mysql log file?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how big are the recent mysql-binlogs?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps you can make a bug report, this would be easier to follow up on.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> oh and were any mysql libraries still loaded? ie: programs linked to mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> after upgrade?
+</I>
+I'll open a bug report, and attach any log files I can find.  As I only have
+a few seconds after kde starts, before the system starts swapping everything
+out, I can really only get debug output by putting commands in autostart, or
+by looking at files from my mageia 1 install.
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+    <B>You-Cheng Hsieh</B> 
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+&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if I should post a new message or reply this thread, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, posting to this thread is expected :)
+</I>
+Hi,
+I've talked with Funda Wang and he agreed to be my mentor. Since we
+both live in UTC+8 timezone and can communicate with English and
+Chinese, there shouldn't be much problem.
+
+Please help update the mentoring table in wiki. :)
+
+Thanks.
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+&gt;<i> oh and were any mysql libraries still loaded? ie: programs linked to mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> after upgrade?
+</I>
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3804">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3804</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 18/12/11 00:04 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:21:14 -0500, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dracut should install all dynamic libs needed by apps. Which app needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this library specifically?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When I tried to boot after running dracut with the default config, I
+</I>&gt;<i> was dropped to a shell, with the non-lvm root mounted.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I then tried running &quot;/sbin/lvm vgchange -a y --ignorelockingfailure&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it failed due to the missing libncursesw.so.5 module.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that I think about it, a bit more, I think I had already been
+</I>&gt;<i> chrooted into the root, so since /usr hadn't been mounted, of course
+</I>&gt;<i> the module could not be accessed.  Something else must have gone wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> before the chroot, that I didn't see.
+</I>
+Ahhh interesting. Could have been a filesystem check error. What
+filesystem do you have on your /usr ? (obviously on top of the lvm layer).
+
+Did typing &quot;mount /usr&quot; just work? After that (and typing exit) does
+everything work as expected?
+
+&gt;<i> Do you have /usr on a logical volume?
+</I>
+In my test VM yes, I had / on ext4 and /usr on LVM also with ext4.
+
+&gt;<i> I've figured out now, that /lib/dracut/hooks/pre-pivot/50mount-usr.sh is
+</I>&gt;<i> failing, as lvm has not yet been activated.
+</I>
+That's strange, as lvm should be activated by then. Was the lvm module
+included in your ramfs? The latest version should detect LVM on the /usr
+partition, but it's perhaps not full proof (I only tested it in my test
+vm when I wrote it).
+
+&gt;<i> Later, I'm dropped to a shell, after the switch to the new root, and
+</I>&gt;<i> since /usr hasn't been mounted, any commands that try to load
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5 such as lvm, grep, or less, will fail.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When I've copied /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.5* to /lib and run ldconfig,
+</I>&gt;<i> it still fails in 50mount-usr, but succeeds later, after the root
+</I>&gt;<i> switch.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The dm-mod module loading, and the &quot;lvm vgchange -ay --sysinit&quot; command
+</I>&gt;<i> should be run before looking for the root file system, as it too could be
+</I>&gt;<i> on a logical volume.
+</I>
+They all should be (and are for me). I suspect the missing link is that
+the lvm module is not being included in your ramfs... If we can work out
+why it would be great.
+
+The shell script you'll need to tweak is
+/usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/90lvm/module-setup.sh.
+
+The code is fairly easy to follow and you can probably hack out the bits
+to make it a simple runable script to see if you can work out why lvm is
+not being included.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Pierre-Malo Denielou</B> 
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+<PRE>On 18/12/11 02:40, You-Cheng Hsieh wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if I should post a new message or reply this thread, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, posting to this thread is expected :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've talked with Funda Wang and he agreed to be my mentor. Since we
+</I>&gt;<i> both live in UTC+8 timezone and can communicate with English and
+</I>&gt;<i> Chinese, there shouldn't be much problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please help update the mentoring table in wiki. :)
+</I>
+Great. Welcome to Mageia!
+
+Don't hesitate to come to #mageia-mentoring on IRC to chat with other
+apprentices and mentors.
+
+Cheers,
+-- 
+Malo
+<A HREF="http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~malo/">http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~malo/</A>
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+<PRE>Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 16.12.2011 20:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to update the default inittab, but the principle is the same. We
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want X there, not a login.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why that is needed...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If it is to prevent flickering when switching tty1-&gt;tty7, can't we just
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. make the kernel use tty7 by default if needed?
+</I>
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+<PRE>Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don't have i18n teams in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings
+</I>&gt;<i> about Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now there are two solutions.
+</I>&gt;<i> Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations
+</I>&gt;<i> (and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as
+</I>&gt;<i> well :D)
+</I>&gt;<i> or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will
+</I>&gt;<i> then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+A third option could be that some enthusiastic documenters/translators 
+just change Mandriva to Mageia in all the places where the English has 
+Mageia.  (Where translators for the language in question haven't responded.)
+&gt;<i> If you are interested in helping us, have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> and do contact me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Name        : kdeutils4                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 4.7.90                            Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Sun Dec 18 06:52:19
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group       : Graphical desktop/KDE         Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size        : 2915                             License: GPLv2 LGPLv2 GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL         : <A HREF="http://utils.kde.org/">http://utils.kde.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary     : Various desktop utilities for KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> The KDE Utilities are a compilation of various desktop utilities.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 4.7.90-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 183599
+</I>&gt;<i> - add empty sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> - turned to meta package
+</I>I still thing it's not useless to carry thoses empty package just to have a &#171; 
+suggests &#187;.
+The fix should be in task-kde.
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+Regards,
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 18 d&#233;cembre 2011 06:54:09 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name        : kdeutils4                    Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version     : 4.7.90                            Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release     : 1.mga2                        Build Date: Sun Dec 18
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 06:52:19
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011 Install Date: (not installed)               Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group       : Graphical desktop/KDE         Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size        : 2915                             License: GPLv2 LGPLv2 GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature   : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager    : Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL         : <A HREF="http://utils.kde.org/">http://utils.kde.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary     : Various desktop utilities for KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The KDE Utilities are a compilation of various desktop utilities.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 4.7.90-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 183599
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - add empty sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - turned to meta package
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I still thing it's not useless to carry thoses empty package just to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171; suggests &#187;.
+</I>I mean it's useless of course :p
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+-- 
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 18 d&#233;cembre 2011 00:14:02 Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 18 December 2011 00:10, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 1:4.7.90-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 182202
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.7.90
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - use kde4_macros
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if you could not fill the building queue with too many packages
+</I>&gt;<i> so that other can have a reasonable build time...
+</I>Seems like my previous mail was private in fact :p
+I tried to use a script to push KDE's packages on the BS, but due to an error 
+&amp; the fact that i moved away for 10 minutes, the script decides to push most 
+of the queue when it should not.
+The script is now fixed (tested with the kdeartwork4 &amp; kdetoys sequence) &amp; i 
+should not flood anymore the BS.
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+Regards,
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> I'll open a bug report, and attach any log files I can find.  As I only
+</I>&gt;<i> have a few seconds after kde starts, before the system starts swapping
+</I>&gt;<i> everything out, I can really only get debug output by putting commands in
+</I>&gt;<i> autostart, or by looking at files from my mageia 1 install.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+ooh, nice, it's reproducable :-)
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+<PRE>Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 18:30:56 schrieb Thomas Spuhler:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, December 17, 2011 03:24:16 PM Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it would be a cleaner solution to have php-X providing something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; common and php-pdo_X providing something common (X being one of mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pgsql or sqlite).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I tried contacting the php maintainer by mail, but he didn't answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Because he is trying to get php-gkt2 built :)
+</I>
+Ok :)
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+And what about my change request?
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+<PRE>Am Sonntag, 18. Dezember 2011, 01:25:58 schrieb andre999:
+&gt;<i> Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don't have i18n
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; teams in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; strings about Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now there are two solutions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; translations (and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; other translations as well :D)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; any more.
+</I>&gt;<i> A third option could be that some enthusiastic documenters/translators
+</I>&gt;<i> just change Mandriva to Mageia in all the places where the English has
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.  (Where translators for the language in question haven't responded.)
+</I>
+It's maybe doable for most languages but it can hardly be automated. And when 
+coming down to non-latin alphabets it will become hell for those poor souls 
+having to do it.
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++the enthusiastic translators (doc team has nothing to do with it) have their 
+own work to do...
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/12/18 Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 18 d&#233;cembre 2011 06:54:09 Mageia Team a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: kdeutils4 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 4.7.90 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 1.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Sun Dec 18 06:52:19
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011 Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Graphical desktop/KDE &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 2915 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: GPLv2 LGPLv2 GPLD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://utils.kde.org/">http://utils.kde.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Various desktop utilities for KDE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The KDE Utilities are a compilation of various desktop utilities.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 4.7.90-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 183599
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add empty sha1.lst
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - turned to meta package
+</I>&gt;<i> I still thing it's not useless to carry thoses empty package just to have a &#171;
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests &#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fix should be in task-kde.
+</I>Well, it is often a pain if a meta package become obsoleted,
+especially when upgrading from previous distros. urpmi tend to fail on
+such a complicated situation.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 18 December 2011 00:08, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone know what needs to be done to port drakx?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm running the newer udev without any problems here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Running yes but this will break the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate /dev/input/by-id/xxx
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,</A> still waiting for your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> input.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, can you test the suggested change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And BTW please upload udev-175 in core/updates_testing so that
+</I>&gt;<i> we can test w/o everyone having to locally build newer udev after
+</I>&gt;<i> rediffing patches
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On 16.12.2011 20:16, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just in case you didn't notice, X11 now starts on tty1 by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if you want a text login shell, make sure you go to tty2!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've not actually updated it for sysvinit now I think about it, so I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to update the default inittab, but the principle is the same. We
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want X there, not a login.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why that is needed...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If it is to prevent flickering when switching tty1-&gt;tty7, can't we just
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. make the kernel use tty7 by default if needed?
+</I>
+For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+
+It doesn't seem to be as simple as I had hoped, but if this is something
+we want to do, I can come up with cleaner versions and see what upstream
+thinks.
+
+BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+Ubuntu/Debian?
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+[1] by default only the first vt is initialized on early boot, the rest
+are initialized on-demand. Since vt7 is not initialized, the patches
+take different approaches: (1) allocate 7 vt's on early boot, (2)
+allocate vt7 in addition to vt1, (3) only allocate vt7
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 18/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 December 2011 00:08, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does anyone know what needs to be done to port drakx?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm running the newer udev without any problems here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Running yes but this will break the installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /sbin/usb_id is needed by mouse.pm to generate /dev/input/by-id/xxx
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> seems we need to migrate using udevadm now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3654#c1,</A> still waiting for your
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> input.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin, can you test the suggested change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And BTW please upload udev-175 in core/updates_testing so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can test w/o everyone having to locally build newer udev after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rediffing patches
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ok this is something i can do ( as i started to work on 175 )
+</I>
+I don't think it's needed. See the bug mentioned earlier. I've patched
+drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 and I think we should just push udev and that
+together straight to core. I've also got udev pkg here, but the changes
+are simply anyway (just drop one upstream patch and some minor changes
+to the files list).
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+</I>&gt;<i> proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+</I>
+Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
+thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
+start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
+it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
+considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
+and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
+to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
+switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
+ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
+the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
+
+What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
+
+When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
+getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
+second graphical login?
+
+I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
+saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
+user has already opted for a graphical system.
+
+Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
+and gdm should maybe present a &quot;give me a text login&quot; option in which
+case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
+
+Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
+should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
+
+All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
+can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
+
+
+Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
+thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
+display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
+and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
+be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu/Debian?
+</I>
+I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
+that according to Google.
+
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+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi, all. I also wish we could find translators for all languages but I'm
+afraid this is not very realistic. Instead I suggest a bit softer solution.
+We replace word Mandriva with Mageia were we can in bootloader *.po files
+and mark those strings fuzzy. I can offer my help for that to the extend of
+my abilities.
+
+
+Thanks for Alpha 2 and happy holidays,
+Filip.
+
+
+On 17 December 2011 23:59, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don't have i18n
+</I>&gt;<i> teams in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains
+</I>&gt;<i> strings
+</I>&gt;<i> about Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now there are two solutions.
+</I>&gt;<i> Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those
+</I>&gt;<i> translations
+</I>&gt;<i> (and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other
+</I>&gt;<i> translations as
+</I>&gt;<i> well :D)
+</I>&gt;<i> or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will
+</I>&gt;<i> then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are interested in helping us, have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> and do contact me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+<PRE>Le 18/12/2011 11:33, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 18/12/11 10:19 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;  On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  And BTW please upload udev-175 in core/updates_testing so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  we can test w/o everyone having to locally build newer udev after
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;  rediffing patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;  ok this is something i can do ( as i started to work on 175 )
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it's needed. See the bug mentioned earlier. I've patched
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 and I think we should just push udev and that
+</I>&gt;<i> together straight to core. I've also got udev pkg here, but the changes
+</I>&gt;<i> are simply anyway (just drop one upstream patch and some minor changes
+</I>&gt;<i> to the files list).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+Could you re-enable --enable-udev-acl and restore udev-acl support 
+(dropped at rev. 157461): udev-acl and 70-udev-acl.rules are still 
+needed for sysvinit in mga2. Without 70-udev-acl.rules and udev-acl, 
+/dev/cdrom, /dev/dri/card* ... don't have the proper permissions with 
+sysvinit.
+(70-udev-acl.rules is safe regarding systemd : 
+TEST==&quot;/sys/fs/cgroup/systemd&quot;, TAG==&quot;uaccess&quot;, GOTO=&quot;acl_end&quot;)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Could you re-enable --enable-udev-acl and restore udev-acl support
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+&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, if you could not fill the building queue with too many packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so that other can have a reasonable build time...
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like my previous mail was private in fact :p
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to use a script to push KDE's packages on the BS, but due to an error
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; the fact that i moved away for 10 minutes, the script decides to push most
+</I>&gt;<i> of the queue when it should not.
+</I>&gt;<i> The script is now fixed (tested with the kdeartwork4 &amp; kdetoys sequence) &amp; i
+</I>&gt;<i> should not flood anymore the BS.
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+On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:25 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> A third option could be that some enthusiastic documenters/translators just
+</I>&gt;<i> change Mandriva to Mageia in all the places where the English has Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(Where translators for the language in question haven't responded.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are interested in helping us, have a look at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and do contact me.
+</I>
+just FYI: Mageia's transifex site is rather hard to find/stumble upon.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>) for
+example talks about a &quot;self-hosted &lt;link&gt;transifex&lt;/link&gt; instance&quot; -
+but the link doesn't point to that self-hosted instance, but to the
+transifex homepage.
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+It links to the short guide
+(<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex</A> - all images
+broken btw) and that page once again doesn't tell where that transifex
+instance is in the first place.
+only when stumpling about the mapping
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects</A> you
+actually get links to Mageia's transifex installation.
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+&gt;<i> Le 18/12/2011 12:14, Luc Menut a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you re-enable --enable-udev-acl and restore udev-acl support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (dropped at rev. 157461)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> s/157461/157460
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yup, that seems like a bogus commit to me... I even specifically enabled
+it in:
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331</A>
+when that version of udev was first introduced as it broke sysvinit.
+
+I wasn't aware that this change had been made. Dexter, I will revert
+this in my udev 175 package. Please let me know if you push your version
+up to testing as indicated via email so I can drop and reapply this
+change here.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
+</I>&gt;<i> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
+</I>&gt;<i> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
+</I>&gt;<i> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
+</I>&gt;<i> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
+</I>&gt;<i> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
+</I>&gt;<i> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
+</I>&gt;<i> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
+</I>&gt;<i> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
+</I>&gt;<i> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
+</I>&gt;<i> second graphical login?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
+</I>&gt;<i> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
+</I>&gt;<i> user has already opted for a graphical system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
+</I>&gt;<i> and gdm should maybe present a &quot;give me a text login&quot; option in which
+</I>&gt;<i> case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
+</I>&gt;<i> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
+</I>&gt;<i> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
+</I>&gt;<i> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
+</I>&gt;<i> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
+</I>&gt;<i> be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ubuntu/Debian?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
+</I>&gt;<i> that according to Google.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+
+theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or 
+textbased.
+
+i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be 
+it a dm or a textbased login.) however, the dm should allow to fall back to 
+textbased, but there we run into a problem:
+
+what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono
+
+perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text-
+based emergency, but then noone would know...
+
+I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be 
+forcably text-based...
+
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+new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 18/12/11 11:46 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> second graphical login?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> user has already opted for a graphical system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and gdm should maybe present a &quot;give me a text login&quot; option in which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu/Debian?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that according to Google.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or 
+</I>&gt;<i> textbased.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be 
+</I>&gt;<i> it a dm or a textbased login.) 
+</I>
+Yup, this is generally what I'd propose.
+
+&gt;<i> however, the dm should allow to fall back to 
+</I>&gt;<i> textbased, but there we run into a problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text-
+</I>&gt;<i> based emergency, but then noone would know...
+</I>
+Yeah, as above, I was suggesting that e.g. 7&amp;8 were always text logins.
+
+&gt;<i> I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be 
+</I>&gt;<i> forcably text-based...
+</I>
+&gt;<i> new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX 
+</I>&gt;<i> spawns a text-based login.
+</I>
+They can be, but I'd vote that this should change. e.g. if you have a
+setup where you &quot;typically&quot; have two users logged in and session 1 is
+always &quot;Dad&quot; and session 2 is always &quot;Mum&quot;, if Mum knows that she does
+ctl+alt+F2 to switch to her session when she is logged in, however in
+order to login, Dad has to already be logged in and either select the
+Switch User option, or do so from a logged screen.
+
+But say there has been a power cut and the machine is rebooted, Dad
+hasn't logged in but Mum wants to use &quot;her&quot; session on VT2 because
+that's what they are both used to.
+
+If she presses ctl+alt+f2 when at the login prompt, all she sees is a
+text login, this will be confusing to her. However if it spawns a new
+graphical login, then she'll appreciate she's not logged in yet and log in.
+
+So stand by my original suggestion that if you are running a graphical
+target, Switching to a TTY to get a &quot;login prompt&quot; should show you a
+graphical login prompt. If however you are only in the text level
+(multi-user.target) then you should be given text logins.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>2011/12/18 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 18/12/11 11:46 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 18 december 2011 11:54:17 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Anssi Hannula at 18/12/11 10:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the record, attached are three alternative [1] untested
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proof-of-concept patches that make kernel start on vt7.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I'm not a fan of sticking to vt7. As I said in an earlier
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thread, if the primary use case of the machine is graphical, then why
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> start at 7? It's an arbitrary choice that fitted in with other uses when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it was first introduced, but these days it's pretty backwards when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> considered on it's own. The only reason to preserve it is out of habit
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and I think that this is (generally speaking) the worst possible premise
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to base decisions on. I mean, if we want to let people use fast user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching easily they first have to learn first about vt switch command
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ctrl+alt+Fn. Then they have to learn that the first login is on 7 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the subsequent ones are on 8 etc. This doesn't make sense...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What *should* happen is that the first one is 1.. the second one is 2 etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When I'm in gnome, and I switch to tty2 for the first time, rather than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> getty appearing wouldn't it be better if the gdm prompt appeared for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> second graphical login?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not suggesting that we ditch text logins completely, but I'm just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> saying that we should try and make things generally smoother if they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> user has already opted for a graphical system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Switching to e.g. 7 or 8 should maybe default to providing a text login
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and gdm should maybe present a &quot;give me a text login&quot; option in which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> case that X server quits and getty replaces it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anything unused should timeout and quit (e.g. a getty on tty2 unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should exit and wait and be re-activated as appropriate later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All these things are possible (maybe not without upstream support, but I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can ask Ray about the general plans here from a gdm perspective).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just for reference this is how the seat extender USB things work. Little
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thin clients that you plug into USB that give you a keyboard mouse and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> display. When you plug it in for the first time, it registers a new seat
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and then gives you a gdm login prompt. I don't think mutli user should
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be much different from multi-seat in this regard.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, I know fedora uses vt1 for X, but what about other distros, e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu/Debian?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think they default to it but plenty people try to change it to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that according to Google.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> theoretically, i'd be in favor of on-demand vt allocation, be it graphical or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> textbased.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i'd be ok with a session starting when going to other vt (default session, be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it a dm or a textbased login.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, this is generally what I'd propose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> however, the dm should allow to fall back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> textbased, but there we run into a problem:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what if X is failing, you can't go back to text-login, so that's a nono
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps we could document that we'd preallocate F12 or something for text-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> based emergency, but then noone would know...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, as above, I was suggesting that e.g. 7&amp;8 were always text logins.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I donno, if we don't have textbased by default, then surely vt1 has to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forcably text-based...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that CTRL+ALT+FX
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spawns a text-based login.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They can be, but I'd vote that this should change. e.g. if you have a
+</I>&gt;<i> setup where you &quot;typically&quot; have two users logged in and session 1 is
+</I>&gt;<i> always &quot;Dad&quot; and session 2 is always &quot;Mum&quot;, if Mum knows that she does
+</I>&gt;<i> ctl+alt+F2 to switch to her session when she is logged in, however in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to login, Dad has to already be logged in and either select the
+</I>&gt;<i> Switch User option, or do so from a logged screen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But say there has been a power cut and the machine is rebooted, Dad
+</I>&gt;<i> hasn't logged in but Mum wants to use &quot;her&quot; session on VT2 because
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what they are both used to.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If she presses ctl+alt+f2 when at the login prompt, all she sees is a
+</I>&gt;<i> text login, this will be confusing to her. However if it spawns a new
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical login, then she'll appreciate she's not logged in yet and log in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So stand by my original suggestion that if you are running a graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> target, Switching to a TTY to get a &quot;login prompt&quot; should show you a
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical login prompt. If however you are only in the text level
+</I>&gt;<i> (multi-user.target) then you should be given text logins.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What happens in this new scheme if graphical server fails - this is
+happening more often than you think - this is not clear to me yet. If
+the x server crashes and the default is starting a DM and graphical
+login, what will happen then?
+
+What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a
+text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does
+he land, on VT7?
+
+What happens when using SysReq keys?
+
+About displaying a graphical login - when I press Ctrl-Alt-Fn I do
+this to go to a text console, not to yet another x screen and I expect
+a prompt, not yet another graphical login.
+
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+&gt;<i> On 18 December 2011 09:04, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; BTW, if you could not fill the building queue with too many packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; so that other can have a reasonable build time...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Seems like my previous mail was private in fact :p
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I tried to use a script to push KDE's packages on the BS, but due to an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; error &amp; the fact that i moved away for 10 minutes, the script decides to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; push most of the queue when it should not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The script is now fixed (tested with the kdeartwork4 &amp; kdetoys sequence) &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i should not flood anymore the BS.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you can upload them a little faster.
+</I>Well currently the script is only submitting a package only when the precedent 
+has a UPLOADED status.
+Now i need to find a way to deal with &#171; build dependency &#187; so i can probably 
+push 2 packages @ the same moment if there's a free slot on the BS.
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+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011, 18:30:56 schrieb Thomas Spuhler:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Saturday, December 17, 2011 03:24:16 PM Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I think it would be a cleaner solution to have php-X providing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; something common and php-pdo_X providing something common (X being one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; of mysql, pgsql or sqlite).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I tried contacting the php maintainer by mail, but he didn't answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because he is trying to get php-gkt2 built :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok :)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And what about my change request?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>That comes after php-gtk2. php-gtk2 doesn't build right now and the current 
+version trows out a lot of errors.
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> HI *,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 7:25 AM, andre999 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A third option could be that some enthusiastic documenters/translators just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change Mandriva to Mageia in all the places where the English has Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  (Where translators for the language in question haven't responded.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you are interested in helping us, have a look at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and do contact me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> just FYI: Mageia's transifex site is rather hard to find/stumble upon.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>) for
+</I>&gt;<i> example talks about a &quot;self-hosted &lt;link&gt;transifex&lt;/link&gt; instance&quot; -
+</I>&gt;<i> but the link doesn't point to that self-hosted instance, but to the
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex homepage.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It links to the short guide
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex</A> - all images
+</I>&gt;<i> broken btw) and that page once again doesn't tell where that transifex
+</I>&gt;<i> instance is in the first place.
+</I>&gt;<i> only when stumpling about the mapping
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects</A> you
+</I>&gt;<i> actually get links to Mageia's transifex installation.
+</I>
+Please update it!
+
+Lowering the entry barrier for new contributors is part of Mageia's goals.
+
+Cheers,
+-- 
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+&gt;<i> What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a
+</I>&gt;<i> text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does
+</I>&gt;<i> he land, on VT7?
+</I>
+And don't forget, some users Only use text logins, and don't even have any graphical desktops installed. Especially blind users do this more often that non-blind users.
+
+Adriane Knopper, Klaus Knoppers vife, run a text only environment, and if I understand correctly, uses more than one tty for her daily work.
+A friend of mine who is blind also does this on a few machines. He started earlyer this year to experiment with running a graphical environment as his main login. But many blind users do not, and stick with the text based only environment, because they are familliar with it.
+
+Many of our users heavily depend uppon having multible TTYs for a text based environment, and not a graphical one.
+Do not forget that, while trying to implement the change.
+
+&gt;<i> About displaying a graphical login - when I press Ctrl-Alt-Fn I do
+</I>&gt;<i> this to go to a text console, not to yet another x screen and I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> a prompt, not yet another graphical login.
+</I>
+I do this from time to time too, to recover from a game crash (ufoai). Sometimes the game crashes on exit, and won't release the screen back to the desktop. The only means of recover is a text login (ctrl-alt-f1), issuing a killall ufoai, logout from text and go back to ctrl-alt-f7.
+
+If this prosedure with the proposed change instead will launch another graphical login, and X somehow is blocked for whatever reason, then what?
+
+Whatever you do, Do Not completely remove the abillity to have a few simultanious text logins alongside a graphical login. The users who depend upon using a text login alongside the graphical environment are more than one should think.
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+&gt;<i> Whatever you do, Do Not completely remove the abillity to have a few simultanious text 
+</I>&gt;<i> logins alongside a graphical login. The users who depend upon using a text login alongside 
+</I>&gt;<i> the graphical environment are more than one should think. 
+</I>F1-F6 for graphical login, F7-F11 for console. Everyone should be happy. Especially new 
+linux users.
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+&gt;<i> F1-F6 for graphical login, F7-F11 for console.
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+I can live with that. ;-)=
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 18/12/11 11:23 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/12/2011 12:14, Luc Menut a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you re-enable --enable-udev-acl and restore udev-acl support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (dropped at rev. 157461)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> s/157461/157460
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, that seems like a bogus commit to me... I even specifically enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> it in:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> when that version of udev was first introduced as it broke sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wasn't aware that this change had been made. Dexter, I will revert
+</I>&gt;<i> this in my udev 175 package. Please let me know if you push your version
+</I>&gt;<i> up to testing as indicated via email so I can drop and reapply this
+</I>&gt;<i> change here.
+</I>
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+it is available in core/release now
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:23, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> F1-F6 for graphical login, F7-F11 for console.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can live with that. ;-)=
+</I>
+Me too :)
+Provided that
+ - the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7
+(as the first text console)
+ - marking &quot;Go to text console&quot; in the DM login takes you to tty7
+ - a x server failure at system start brings you to a text login in tty7
+ - usage of SysReq key brings you to a text login in tty7
+
+In short: all activities (wanted or forced by malfunction) to go to a
+text console should take you to a text login (tty7 or higher).
+
+Announcement should be made as early as possible to mageia-discuss and
+the cauldron section in the forum.
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/15 andre999&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure if I should post a new message or reply this thread, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, posting to this thread is expected :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I've talked with Funda Wang and he agreed to be my mentor. Since we
+</I>&gt;<i> both live in UTC+8 timezone and can communicate with English and
+</I>&gt;<i> Chinese, there shouldn't be much problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please help update the mentoring table in wiki. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Done.
+Good luck with your mentor :)
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Provided that
+</I>&gt;<i> - the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7 
+</I>&gt;<i> (as the first text console) 
+</I>&gt;<i> - marking &quot;Go to text console&quot; in the DM login takes you to tty7 
+</I>&gt;<i> - a x server failure at system start brings you to a text login in tty7 
+</I>&gt;<i> - usage of SysReq key brings you to a text login in tty7
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In short: all activities (wanted or forced by malfunction) to go to a 
+</I>&gt;<i> text console should take you to a text login (tty7 or higher).
+</I>
+Agreed. Good point.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Sunday 18 December 2011 17:54, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Provided that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the wanted system start to run level 3 goes to a text login in tty7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (as the first text console)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - marking &quot;Go to text console&quot; in the DM login takes you to tty7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - a x server failure at system start brings you to a text login in tty7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - usage of SysReq key brings you to a text login in tty7
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In short: all activities (wanted or forced by malfunction) to go to a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> text console should take you to a text login (tty7 or higher).
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. Good point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the tty assignments easily 
+configurable by the user ?  Then pick an agreed default, and let anyone 
+with different requirements modify it.
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+&gt;<i> Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the tty assignments easily configurable by the 
+</I>&gt;<i> user ?  Then pick an agreed default, and let anyone with different requirements modify it.
+</I>Nop, that's not a good idea. You give people the option to configure and they end up doing 
+so. Every additional configuration option will add complexity. More hassle for QA and 
+maintainers, etc etc. There shoulde be only one way and that's it.
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+<PRE>Am 18.12.2011 16:43, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 18 December 2011 13:26, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What happens if a user wants to boot into run level 3? He will get a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> text prompt because neither x nor any DM has started yet - where does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> he land, on VT7?
+</I>&gt;<i> And don't forget, some users Only use text logins, and don't even have any graphical desktops installed. Especially blind users do this more often that non-blind users.
+</I>So it should be done in a way that if x automatic start on bootup
+is disabled, you should naturally only get a text login.
+
+OT
+Otherwise, i've seen often mentioned F7 for the current graphical
+login recently ... Just try it on a mga1 box, press Ctrl+Alt+F7, that's no
+graphical login. that has been on 8 for quite some time, dating
+back to Mandriva. Just for reference.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and D.Morgan at 18/12/11 16:52 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 18/12/11 11:23 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 18/12/2011 12:14, Luc Menut a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Could you re-enable --enable-udev-acl and restore udev-acl support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (dropped at rev. 157461)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> s/157461/157460
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup, that seems like a bogus commit to me... I even specifically enabled
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it in:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/udev/current/SPECS/udev.spec?r1=135235&amp;r2=135331</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when that version of udev was first introduced as it broke sysvinit.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wasn't aware that this change had been made. Dexter, I will revert
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this in my udev 175 package. Please let me know if you push your version
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> up to testing as indicated via email so I can drop and reapply this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change here.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> it is available in core/release now
+</I>
+And I just pushed a new drakx-x11-kbd-mouse too.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/qt4/imports/QtWebKit/libqmlwebkitplugin.so
+lib64qtwebkit2.2_4-2.2.0-1.mga2
+libqtwebkit2.2_4-2.2.0-1.mga2
+
+Strangely RPM let me install both arches even tho' the file is different :s
+
+Not quite sure why. The first run didn't and then the second somehow
+worked without me doing anything to force it.
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>David W. Hodgins</B> 
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+
+&gt;<i> The shell script you'll need to tweak is
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/90lvm/module-setup.sh.
+</I>
+That is the problem.
+
+In that module, it finds /usr on dev/block/252:9, and the
+call to get_fs_type correctly returns the file system type
+as ext4, but the module-setup.sh is looking for LVM2_member
+which will never be returned for a mounted file system.
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+I don't see how it could be working on your system.
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...">tmb at mageia.org
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+<PRE>I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50 
+/boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to 
+a file that defines it
+Option exclude requires an argument
+usage: cpio-filter [--exclude &lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+
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+dracut-014-5.mga2
+
+plymouth-plugin-script-0.8.4-0.20111214.1.mga2
+plymouth-system-theme-0.8.4-0.20111214.1.mga2
+plymouth-scripts-0.8.4-0.20111214.1.mga2
+plymouth-0.8.4-0.20111214.1.mga2
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+<PRE>Am Sonntag, 18. Dezember 2011, 16:20:04 schrieb Malo Deni&#233;lou:
+&gt;<i> Le 18/12/11 11:38,Christian Lohmaier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just FYI: Mageia's transifex site is rather hard to find/stumble upon.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n</A>) for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; example talks about a &quot;self-hosted &lt;link&gt;transifex&lt;/link&gt; instance&quot; -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but the link doesn't point to that self-hosted instance, but to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transifex homepage.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It links to the short guide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Short_guide_to_transifex</A> - all images
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; broken btw) and that page once again doesn't tell where that transifex
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; instance is in the first place.
+</I>By the way, those broken images are a bug in our mediawiki. It's already been 
+reported in our bugzilla.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; only when stumpling about the mapping
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/List_of_Mageia_transifex_projects</A> you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; actually get links to Mageia's transifex installation.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please update it!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Lowering the entry barrier for new contributors is part of Mageia's goals.
+</I>Updated.
+
+That's what's happening, when people write those pages, who do know, where to 
+find their way arround.
+
+Oliver
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 21:57 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+</I>&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50
+</I>&gt;<i> /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;<i> Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to
+</I>&gt;<i> a file that defines it
+</I>&gt;<i> Option exclude requires an argument
+</I>&gt;<i> usage: cpio-filter [--exclude &lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+</I>
+How did you trigger this? I've not seen this error. Do you have a
+special/different plymouth theme set as default?
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 18 december 2011 13:03:56 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; new X sessions are started from the old session, so i vote that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CTRL+ALT+FX spawns a text-based login.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> They can be, but I'd vote that this should change. e.g. if you have a
+</I>&gt;<i> setup where you &quot;typically&quot; have two users logged in and session 1 is
+</I>&gt;<i> always &quot;Dad&quot; and session 2 is always &quot;Mum&quot;, if Mum knows that she does
+</I>&gt;<i> ctl+alt+F2 to switch to her session when she is logged in, however in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to login, Dad has to already be logged in and either select the
+</I>&gt;<i> Switch User option, or do so from a logged screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> But say there has been a power cut and the machine is rebooted, Dad
+</I>&gt;<i> hasn't logged in but Mum wants to use &quot;her&quot; session on VT2 because
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what they are both used to.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If she presses ctl+alt+f2 when at the login prompt, all she sees is a
+</I>&gt;<i> text login, this will be confusing to her. However if it spawns a new
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical login, then she'll appreciate she's not logged in yet and log in.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So stand by my original suggestion that if you are running a graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> target, Switching to a TTY to get a &quot;login prompt&quot; should show you a
+</I>&gt;<i> graphical login prompt. If however you are only in the text level
+</I>&gt;<i> (multi-user.target) then you should be given text logins.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+i think graphical users will use graphical ways of getting to their session 
+(as does my wife), usually the current session is locked and she switches to 
+her own, or she switches to her own, which causes mine to be locked.
+
+even i do it like this instead of pressing ctrl+alt+Fx ...
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David W. Hodgins at 18/12/11 21:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:00:51 -0500, Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The shell script you'll need to tweak is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/90lvm/module-setup.sh.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> That is the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In that module, it finds /usr on dev/block/252:9, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> call to get_fs_type correctly returns the file system type
+</I>&gt;<i> as ext4, but the module-setup.sh is looking for LVM2_member
+</I>&gt;<i> which will never be returned for a mounted file system.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see how it could be working on your system.
+</I>
+For me my /usr is found on dev/block/252:0...
+
+So I guess this is the problem.
+
+Can you run the attached?
+
+It produces:
+
+Checking / via 8:1
+Checking /usr via 252:0
+_needed=1
+0
+
+for me.
+
+My df output:
+
+/dev/mapper/vg0-1 ... /usr
+
+Col
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie skrev 19.12.2011 00:18:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 21:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a file that defines it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Option exclude requires an argument
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usage: cpio-filter [--exclude&lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How did you trigger this? I've not seen this error. Do you have a
+</I>&gt;<i> special/different plymouth theme set as default?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, default plymouth theme.
+
+Triggered by simply installing a kernel with urpmi --auto-update
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On 19 December 2011 23:47,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Port stage2 to use udev.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In order to run dracut in the installer, it is necessary to have a working
+</I>&gt;<i> udev setup (specifically /dev/block/* nodes, but there may be other
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As dracut is needed by systemd when /usr is on a separate partition, we need
+</I>&gt;<i> udev in the installer in order to support systemd generally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile	2011-12-19 21:36:04 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 2493)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile	2011-12-19 22:47:15 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;<i>  	REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> +	mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>
+That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+so you want to create &amp; include it in stage1
+
+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm	2011-12-19 21:36:04 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2493)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm	2011-12-19 22:47:15 UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> (rev 2494)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -395,6 +395,24 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>      eval { fs::mount::mount('none', '/sys', 'sysfs', 1) };
+</I>&gt;<i>      eval { touch('/root/non-chrooted-marker.DrakX') }; #- helps
+</I>&gt;<i> distinguishing /root and /mnt/root when we don't know if we are chrooted
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +    # Ensure /run is mounted
+</I>&gt;<i> +    mkdir &quot;/run&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;mount -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nosuid,nodev tmpfs
+</I>&gt;<i> /run&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +    mkdir &quot;/run/udev&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    mkdir &quot;/run/udev/rules.d&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    $ENV{UDEVRULESD} = &quot;/run/udev/rules.d&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +    # Start up udev and trigger cold plugs
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;, &quot;mode=0755,nosuid&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;/dev&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +    mkdir &quot;/dev/pts&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;gid=5,mode=620,noexec,nosuid&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;/dev/pts&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +    mkdir &quot;/dev/shm&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;tmpfs&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mode=1777,nosuid,nodev&quot;, &quot;tmpfs&quot;, &quot;/dev/shm&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;/lib/udev/udevd&quot;, &quot;--daemon&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--resolve-names=never&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=subsystems&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> +    run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=devices&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>
+A few remarks:
+1) this is a little big, so better split it this into a new
+start_udev() function
+2) we prefer the fct(args) style over &quot;fct args&quot;
+    (which is enforced by perl_checker)
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3:5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 184708
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade to 5.4RC3
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;synched with Mandriva
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+You need to rebuild the whole PHP stack now
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+</I>
+It works.  It identifies /usr as being on 252:9,
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create &amp; include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right... strangely enough some stuff still worked fine... e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/udev/udevd exists inside the installer shell.... so that's why I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought all was well. I double check a few things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Technically it's not super important that /run exists anyway as I mkdir
+</I>&gt;<i> it later, so this bit can probably be dropped.
+</I>
+Either you create it in stage1 or in the sub starting udev, but anyway
+the Makefile should be reverted
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm &#160; &#160; 2011-12-19 21:36:04 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 2493)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm &#160; &#160; 2011-12-19 22:47:15 UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (rev 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -395,6 +395,24 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;eval { fs::mount::mount('none', '/sys', 'sysfs', 1) };
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;eval { touch('/root/non-chrooted-marker.DrakX') }; #- helps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distinguishing /root and /mnt/root when we don't know if we are chrooted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;# Ensure /run is mounted
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/run&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount -t tmpfs -o mode=0755,nosuid,nodev tmpfs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /run&quot;);
+</I>
+having perms from both chown &amp; mount is maybe a little too much
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/run/udev&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/run/udev/rules.d&quot;, 0755;
+</I>
+can be simplified mkdir_p(&quot;/run/udev/rules.d&quot;).
+The perms should be OK through umask
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;$ENV{UDEVRULESD} = &quot;/run/udev/rules.d&quot;;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;# Start up udev and trigger cold plugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;, &quot;mode=0755,nosuid&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;/dev&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/dev/pts&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;gid=5,mode=620,noexec,nosuid&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;/dev/pts&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/dev/shm&quot;, 0755;
+</I>
+This one should be better included in stage1 with other /dev stuff IMHO
+See images/make_boot_img
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;tmpfs&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;mode=1777,nosuid,nodev&quot;, &quot;tmpfs&quot;, &quot;/dev/shm&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;/lib/udev/udevd&quot;, &quot;--daemon&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--resolve-names=never&quot;);
+</I>
+I guess it auto detach with --daemon?
+If not we could use &quot;raw({ detach =&gt; 1},&quot; instead of &quot;run(&quot;
+I think you wan
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=subsystems&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=devices&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>
+Since this will forces us to wait, you should either display a &quot;please
+wait dialog&quot;
+or better not run this as we'll only look at block devices quite a lot later
+after accepting license &amp; loading disks modules
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 3) which bring me to the last item: you should run perl_checker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; See /usr/share/doc/perl_checker/perl_checker.html &amp;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; /usr/share/doc/perl-MDK-Common/tutorial.html
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It can be simply called from within emacs (or vim)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool, thanks. I'm not a perl-master so feel free to tidy this commit up
+</I>&gt;<i> a bit if you have time, otherwise I'll try and tidy up my mess this
+</I>&gt;<i> evening :)
+</I>
+There's no urgency so it's better if done by you so that
+you eventually became a co maintainer of drakx :-)
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+BTW you may eventually include udev in rescue too
+(but only once it's done in stage2)
+See rescue/ &amp;&amp; rescue/devices.pl
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+    <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B> 
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; f&#248;lgende:
+&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ rpm -qf /usr/lib/qt4/imports/QtWebKit/libqmlwebkitplugin.so
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64qtwebkit2.2_4-2.2.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> libqtwebkit2.2_4-2.2.0-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strangely RPM let me install both arches even tho' the file is different :s
+</I>This is likely due to coloring, if you install packages with the same
+filename which has
+different colors (ie. ia32 &amp; x86_64), RPM will allow the x86_64
+version to be installed
+over the other.
+It's a cheap way to get around &quot;proper&quot; multilib packaging that's
+enabled by default in
+RPM (you've probably wondered earlier about Fedora's take on multilib
+with the lack of same
+strict packaging policies that we enforce..), but that's been disabled
+for RPM in Mandriva for
+ages.
+It's a mechanism I lack any real insight on, and I don't even remember
+where in the RPM code
+this change was made, much less so what particular patch being
+responsible for it, only
+reference I can recall is some brief documentation at rpm5.org
+(dont-filter-install-file-conflicts):
+<A HREF="http://rpm5.org/cvs/fileview?f=rpm/VENDOR">http://rpm5.org/cvs/fileview?f=rpm/VENDOR</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite sure why. The first run didn't and then the second somehow
+</I>&gt;<i> worked without me doing anything to force it.
+</I>I'm merely making wild guesses, it might be totally unrelated to
+coloring, but if it's related in
+any way, then the relevant patch has probably accidentally been
+dropped, or there might've
+been some upstream changes, likely requiring a new patch to be (re)done..
+
+My 2 cents at least.. :)
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 37-15.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 182053
+</I>&gt;<i> - Do not start getty on tty1, it's used for X11 now (mga#3430)
+</I>
+BTW systemd-sysvinit bloats again minimal installation by requiring python
+because of systemd-sysv-convert, that doesn't seem used.
+Please move it into systemd-tools in order to debloat minimal install
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+&gt;<i> add missing news
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2011-12-23 01:59:03 UTC (rev 2500)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/NEWS	2011-12-23 23:26:06 UTC (rev 2501)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>    o display partition labels when adding a foreign OS
+</I>&gt;<i>  - harddrake: fix missing names (mga#3745)
+</I>&gt;<i>  - interactive::curses: default to 80x25 (fixes serial)
+</I>&gt;<i> +- dont force init=/bin/systemd (#3856, already fixed in svn by blino)
+</I>
+please remove &quot;, already fixed in svn by blino&quot;, this has nothing to
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 22:22 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 19.12.2011 00:18:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 21:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a file that defines it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Option exclude requires an argument
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usage: cpio-filter [--exclude&lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How did you trigger this? I've not seen this error. Do you have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> special/different plymouth theme set as default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, default plymouth theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Triggered by simply installing a kernel with urpmi --auto-update
+</I>
+Think this should be fixed by Anssi's commits in plymouth, bootsplash
+and dracut now.
+
+Due to me obsoleting mkinitrd and some incompatibilities between paths
+from dracut 014 and plymouth in git.
+
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+dracut-015-5.mga2 which was uploaded some 8 hours ago breaks initramfs
+generation due to a path change and issues in 'plymouth' and
+'bootsplash' backages.
+
+If you've configured your bootloader configuration with MCC or installed
+new kernels with this version of dracut installed (even if you've later
+upgraded), you may have had one or more of your initramfs files
+truncated, which will cause a boot failure.
+
+You can check if you are affected by using e.g. this command to print
+suspiciously small initramfs files:
+  find /boot/initrd*.img -size -1M -type f
+
+If that is the case, you should wait without rebooting until
+- plymouth-scripts-0.8.4-0.20111214.2.mga2
+- bootsplash-3.3.6-1.mga2
+are available and installed on your system, and then run:
+  bootloader-config --action rebuild-initrds
+
+After that please double-check with the 'find' command that no truncated
+iniramfs files exist. If there are any, please report it.
+
+Also, if you don't have truncated files but have dracut-015.5.mga2,
+please upgrade to the above versions ASAP to prevent truncations from
+happening in the future.
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+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+    <I>Tue Dec 27 12:41:47 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Since updating to Evolution 3.3.3 in Cauldron, I have notice the
+program crashes (segfaults) when trying to add multiple attachments (using the CTRL key to select more than one attachment in the file dialog)
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+When Evolution is started again, then I can recover the new message
+which crashed during multiple file attachments.
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+Seems related to holding down the CTRL key and selecting a file to attach . . .
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+<PRE>Since updating to Evolution 3.3.3 in Cauldron, I have notice the
+program crashes (segfaults) when trying to add multiple attachments (using the CTRL key to select more than one attachment in the file dialog)
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+When Evolution is started again, then I can recover the new message
+which crashed during multiple file attachments.
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+Seems related to holding down the CTRL key and selecting a file to attach . . .
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+Cheers,
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 19/12/11 10:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 14 December 2011 23:49,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 2419 Author blino Date 2011-12-14 23:49:18 +0100 (Wed, 14 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Next time alter meta-task's prefer.vendor.list too..
+</I>
+Ahhh, this explains a problem reported on IRC last night.
+
+Excellent, things bugs from last night are making sense now :D
+
+Col
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+-- 
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Pierre Jarillon</B> 
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+This is easy for us, but it should be better to keep as much as possible of 
+old configuration.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 19/12/11 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 15 December 2011 12:02, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 37-15.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 182053
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Do not start getty on tty1, it's used for X11 now (mga#3430)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW systemd-sysvinit bloats again minimal installation by requiring python
+</I>&gt;<i> because of systemd-sysv-convert, that doesn't seem used.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please move it into systemd-tools in order to debloat minimal install
+</I>
+ACK
+
+To be honest, I think Lennart really didn't like that utility... it was
+only included in Fedora due to politics I think, so we should likely
+just drop it.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> There's no urgency so it's better if done by you so that
+</I>&gt;<i> you eventually became a co maintainer of drakx :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW you may eventually include udev in rescue too
+</I>&gt;<i> (but only once it's done in stage2)
+</I>&gt;<i> See rescue/ &amp;&amp; rescue/devices.pl
+</I>
+Also next time it's better to split in smaller commits:
+1) add new files needed for udev
+2) start udev
+3) ...
+
+Last but not least add a one to 3 line description about udev
+at top of perl-install/install/NEWS
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+programs that copy large files using large buffer sizes.  It's worse 
+than just firefox, as the entire desktop will freeze for minutes at a time.
+
+This change/workaround cleared this up entirely for me.  If we haven't 
+incorporated this yet, we should consider doing so.
+
+-------- Original Message --------
+Subject: 	Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow 
+storage devices
+Date: 	Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100
+From: 	Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
+To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
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+Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt;<i>  Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+</I>&gt;<i>  (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt;  10 mins).
+</I>Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt;<i>  It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+</I>&gt;<i>  had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+</I>&gt;<i>  <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+</I>&gt;<i>  hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+</I>&gt;<i>  file, then try to use firefox...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    echo madvise&gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  and firefox should work as expected now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+</I>&gt;<i>  &quot;madvise&quot; for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+</I>&gt;<i>  explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+<PRE>On 19.12.2011 06:23, Anssi Hannula wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 19.12.2011 00:22, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 19.12.2011 00:18:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 21:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a file that defines it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Option exclude requires an argument
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usage: cpio-filter [--exclude&lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How did you trigger this? I've not seen this error. Do you have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> special/different plymouth theme set as default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nope, default plymouth theme.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Triggered by simply installing a kernel with urpmi --auto-update
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> So plymouth-scripts breaks as dracut-functions got moved, and the old
+</I>&gt;<i> mkinitrd functions are no longer present after the obsoletes was added.
+</I>&gt;<i> In addition, make-boot-splash-raw seems to not handle the failure
+</I>&gt;<i> properly, creating empty initramfs instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm going to look at this right now to fix at least the first one. I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> not 100% sure if this add_boot_splash() stuff is needed at all (for
+</I>&gt;<i> customs bootsplashes maybe?), but I'll leave that for Colin to look at :)
+</I>
+Fixed both the dracut-functions-not-found and error-not-handled issues in:
+plymouth-scripts-0.8.4-0.20111214.2.mga2
+bootsplash-3.3.6-1.mga2
+
+Either of these packages will prevent initramfs from getting truncated.
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+
+OK, so it seems that my pushing of dracut has indeed broken the install
+stage.
+
+It's ultimately down to /dev/block/ not existing in the installer which
+is also a fallout from it not using udev.
+
+As systemd basically needs dracut, I think we now need to look at
+putting udev to work in the installer rather than a static /dev tree.
+
+What do people think of this? I'm not sure how stage1 works, but (in
+theory at least) it could be generated via a dracut module - dracut
+itself is pretty flexible for producing these kind of things... having
+never looked at how stage1 is created, this is perhaps a very outlandish
+suggestion!
+
+Anyway, comments about this welcomed. Obviously it would be nice to look
+at this sooner rather than later. Also not sure how mdv handles this
+considering they are now using systemd+dracut too.....
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+  Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+  Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+  Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision 2419 Author blino Date 2011-12-14 23:49:18 +0100 (Wed, 14 Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
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+Next time alter meta-task's prefer.vendor.list too..
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+    <B>Olav Vitters</B> 
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+    <I>Fri Dec 23 00:06:21 CET 2011</I>
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+&quot;Yeah, thats what I meant by 'unknown media' in my previous blog entry.
+To make Boxes support your favourite distro as nicely as Fedora and
+Windows, you need to:
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+1. Put metadata about it in libosinfo's default DB (its simple and
+intuitive XML files) with information about its latest media.
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+2. Add unattended installation for it in Boxes. This will need some
+hacking but its not as difficult at one might imagine. :)&quot;
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+Anyone willing to ensure Boxes works nicely with Mageia by submitting a
+libosinfo XML file (upstream!) + ensure the unattended installation
+works by hacking Boxes?
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+Bit swamped myself...
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+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Package%20drop%20request%3A%20perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QQ4Jo5W8TH4Abrd5Qh%3DigybDgf3NgVFEL0EwYqi0pB6QQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+Is it possible if we drop perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed from cauldron? It is not
+required by any other packages, and it is the one of the only few
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09kernel-linus-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3C4EF5D3BC.2090602%40eesti.ee%3E"
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+    <I>Sat Dec 24 14:29:32 CET 2011</I>
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+&gt;<i> Name        : kernel-linus                 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 187187
+</I>&gt;<i> - trigger dkms build in posttrans so modules get built at kernel install
+</I>&gt;<i>    instead of at boot (speeds up boot time with new kernel)
+</I>How do you make sure that latest devel is updated for that time? Last time i updated 
+cauldron some dkms packages failed to build as kernel-*-devel was one of the last packages 
+to get updated.
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+Just curious, nothing more :)
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+--
+Sander
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtaEm324Gx2x9wcvdfehfMCQKC9TnP_S1uX-%3DztC0VtHoQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+    <I>Mon Dec 26 22:39:39 CET 2011</I>
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3.3.8b-30.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 187720
+</I>&gt;<i> - set system flags
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+Wasn't this one supposed to be never imported?
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+because something has suddenly decided that it knows when stuff is 
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+VC3 shows &quot;ERROR: killing runaway process 
+(process=mkinitrd.....error=ALARM at /usr/lib/libDrakx/run_program.pm 
+line 92&quot;
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+In the GUI, you get a graphical prompt saying that an error occurred and 
+mkinitrd failed, and if you click OK (the only choice), it goes and 
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BMageia-Private%5D%20Consolidation%20of%20the%20spelling%0A%09tools%20in%20Mageia&In-Reply-To=%3C201112210721.21315.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E"
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+    <I>Wed Dec 21 15:21:21 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:15:00 AM you wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Excuse me for using you e-mail address directly, I'm sending BCC to
+</I>&gt;<i> every person who commented on the subject &quot;Consolidation of the spelling
+</I>&gt;<i> tools in Mageia&quot; in the Mageia-Dev mailing-list. I'm doing it, because
+</I>&gt;<i> the mailing-list isn't accessible and there is no ETA on resolving it.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There was a discuss on
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) preparing policies on hunspell-dictionaries
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) deprecate and kill myspell in Mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) changing the default path of dictionaries, from /usr/share/myspell to
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/hunspell (and to keep backward compatibility links in myspell
+</I>&gt;<i> directory)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) to provide &quot;enchant-dictionary&quot; and &quot;hunspell-dictionary&quot; by every
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell-dictionary
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So finally, I've prepared a first version of the policy
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Hunspell-dictionary_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Hunspell-dictionary_policy</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you like, please tell me your comments of it. Is it right? (Also: is
+</I>&gt;<i> the .spec correct?) When everything will be accepted then every
+</I>&gt;<i> hunspell-dictionary will be updated  according to the policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> PS. The changes of enchant will be proposed or accepted later, Funda has
+</I>&gt;<i> already prepared the package.
+</I>
+I strongly suggest to obsolete aspell as well. It doesn't have a maintainer.
+
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'm maintaining mediawiki and drupal.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Both packages require a php database module but both can work with mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> postgresql and sqlite.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Now the mediawiki package does simply require both php-mysql and php-pgsql,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is bad since it leads to installing unneeded database libraries in
+</I>&gt;<i> the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> Drupal has three sub packages which doe require the respective php database
+</I>&gt;<i> module and one of the three is required by drupal itself, which is some
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of ugly workarround.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be a cleaner solution to have php-X providing something
+</I>&gt;<i> common and php-pdo_X providing something common (X being one of mysql,
+</I>&gt;<i> pgsql or sqlite).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried contacting the php maintainer by mail, but he didn't answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+Could you please explain a little more what you are looking for.
+PHP provides the php-mysql and php-pdo-mysql
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+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+non-laptop systems:
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+calligra-l10n-it-2.3.85-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied calligra-core)
+calligra-l10n-pt-2.3.85-1.mga2.noarch (due to unsatisfied calligra-core)
+gnome-control-center-3.3.3-1.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libupower-glib.so.1()(64bit))
+gnome-settings-daemon-3.3.3-12.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libupower-glib.so.1()(64bit))
+kdebase4-workspace-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied 
+pm-utils-1.4.1-3.mga1.i586)
+kdebase4-workspace-devel-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+kdebase4-workspace-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64, trying to promote 
+kdebase4-workspace)
+kdevelop4-4.2.3-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+kdm-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kdecorations4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kfontinst4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kfontinstui4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64khotkeysprivate4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kscreensaver5-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64ksgrd4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64ksignalplotter4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kwineffects1-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kwinglutils1-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64kworkspace4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64lsofui4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64oxygenstyle4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64oxygenstyleconfig4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64plasma_applet_system_monitor4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to 
+conflicts with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libplasma.so.3()(64bit))
+lib64plasmaclock4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64plasmagenericshell4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64powerdevilconfigcommonprivate4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to 
+conflicts with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64powerdevilcore0-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64powerdevilui4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64processcore4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64processui4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64solidcontrol4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64systemsettingsview2-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64taskmanager4-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+lib64weather_ion6-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+libupower-glib1-0.9.14-11.mga2.i586 (due to unsatisfied upower[&gt;= 
+0.9.14-11.mga2])
+plasma-applet-battery-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-applet-system-monitor-cpu-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts 
+with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-applet-system-monitor-hdd-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts 
+with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-applet-system-monitor-hwinfo-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to 
+conflicts with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-applet-system-monitor-net-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts 
+with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-applet-system-monitor-temperature-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to 
+conflicts with laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-krunner-nepomuk-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-krunner-powerdevil-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote 
+libkdecore.so.5()(64bit))
+plasma-scriptengine-python-4.7.90-2.mga2.x86_64 (due to conflicts with 
+laptop-mode-tools-1.60-2.mga2.noarch, trying to promote kdebase4-runtime)
+upower-0.9.14-11.mga2.x86_64 (trying to promote typelib(UPowerGlib))
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+    <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B> 
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+<PRE>Den 14:13 17. desember 2011 skrev Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; f&#248;lgende:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Annsi, misc and myself were discussing obsoletes, and i think we should make a
+</I>&gt;<i> policy for a structured comment, so that later (in some timeperiod that's as
+</I>&gt;<i> of yet unspecified) we can remove older obsoletes in a structured way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose we put a comment in the spec file, with the version the package will
+</I>&gt;<i> be first used, so likely that is cauldron, so example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Obsoletes: mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> (before the obsolete line)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if noone objects, we can put the policy on the wiki somewhere
+</I>
+You could always comparing the metadata of different stable releases to try
+determine the age of these. I remember discussing this with pixel a
+few years ago,
+but it wasn't really an important issue and never given any priority,
+but implementing
+automated tests for this in ie. the youri(-related) tools would
+probably be a good idea. :)
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> zezinho &lt;zezinho&gt; 5.2-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 184408
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version
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+Failed to issue method call: Unit tftp.service failed to load: No such
+file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status tftp.service'
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+    <B>Robert Fox</B> 
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+<PRE>Since updating to Evolution 3.3.3 in Cauldron, I have notice the
+program crashes (segfaults) when trying to add multiple attachments (using the CTRL key to select more than one attachment in the file dialog)
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+When Evolution is started again, then I can recover the new message
+which crashed during multiple file attachments.
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+Seems related to holding down the CTRL key and selecting a file to attach . . .
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+Cheers,
+R.Fox
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+<PRE>On 20 December 2011 12:59, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 20/12/11 11:42 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;# Start up udev and trigger cold plugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;, &quot;mode=0755,nosuid&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;devtmpfs&quot;, &quot;/dev&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/dev/pts&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;mount&quot;, &quot;-t&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;-o&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;gid=5,mode=620,noexec,nosuid&quot;, &quot;devpts&quot;, &quot;/dev/pts&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;mkdir &quot;/dev/shm&quot;, 0755;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This one should be better included in stage1 with other /dev stuff IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See images/make_boot_img
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With my earlier comment about stage1+dracut, I would tend to agree.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps all this stuff can be in stage1 instead?
+</I>
+indeed
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=subsystems&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + &#160; &#160;run_program::run(&quot;udevadm&quot;, &quot;trigger&quot;, &quot;--type=devices&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;--action=add&quot;);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since this will forces us to wait, you should either display a &quot;please
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wait dialog&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or better not run this as we'll only look at block devices quite a lot later
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after accepting license &amp; loading disks modules
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Technically true, although this requires me to have a bit more
+</I>&gt;<i> understanding of how things work with the installer which I'd ideally
+</I>&gt;<i> like to avoid!.... :p
+</I>
+here we initialize the installer then loop over the steps (see
+perl-install/install/steps_list.pm):
+- choose language
+- accepting license
+- THEN load hd which will triggers udev to scan for LV or the like
+
+So it's useless &amp; not user friendly to force waiting for LVs here when
+we know none will be found
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cool, thanks. I'm not a perl-master so feel free to tidy this commit up
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a bit if you have time, otherwise I'll try and tidy up my mess this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> evening :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There's no urgency so it's better if done by you so that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you eventually became a co maintainer of drakx :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a funny feeling that I'm being tricked into something here.... :p
+</I>
+It's not that hard :-)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> BTW you may eventually include udev in rescue too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (but only once it's done in stage2)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See rescue/ &amp;&amp; rescue/devices.pl
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah it's needed in rescue too as I think I mentioned in an earlier
+</I>&gt;<i> email, but this is easier to get working I think.
+</I>
+BTW if you could look at those LVM/DM bugs in rescue:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=drakx-installer-rescue">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&amp;namedcmd=drakx-installer-rescue</A>
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+    <B>P. Christeas</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
+</I>&gt;<i> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
+</I>&gt;<i> 99.5% of the use cases ...
+</I>
+I'd like to question that.
+You see, machines still have 'init 3' (or did Fedora remove that, too?), there 
+is still people wanting a Linux box (not desktop) not to have X. And that's 
+way more than 0.5% .
+Or, X may be broken sometimes.
+So, standardization of tty1=text makes sense, is not just an old habit. 
+Because, you are *always* expecting to find a working tty console on a Linux 
+box[1], while X only launches a bit later, if it can[2]. Putting the one that 
+works in the default place is more reasonable, see?
+
+Really, why don't you patch the kernel to start at tty7? you could call that 
+&quot;progress&quot;, too.
+
+Some things in Linux could improve, but some don't need change. Unix legacy is 
+what makes Linux great[3], IMHO. Part of that legacy (the &quot;old school&quot;) is to 
+have failsafe defaults, is to start with a minimal design and then build the 
+extras on top. That's why Unix principles (or &quot;hangovers&quot;) have survived so 
+many decades, while other OSs have gone with the wind[4]. 
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy</A> , last of the &quot;Quotes&quot;
+
+[1] any machine that has a graphics card and a keyboard.
+[2] see nvidia, ati
+[3] back then, software was desinged by engineers. Time has proven that right.
+[4] Win95-98 had no &quot;hangovers&quot;. Then, win2k became POSIX again. 
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+mentioned somewhere in Mageia-land, but I  want to add that I have 
+experienced extreme delays in firefox and other apps when I run largely 
+IO-intensive apps with large file buffersizes, and the workaround in 
+this comment fixes this completely.  We  should consider this for our 
+kernels if we haven't already.
+
+-------- Original Message --------
+Subject: 	Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow 
+storage devices
+Date: 	Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100
+From: 	Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
+To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
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+Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+&gt;<i>  Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+</I>&gt;<i>  (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt;  10 mins).
+</I>Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+At least two thumbs up! :)
+&gt;<i>  It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+</I>&gt;<i>  had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+</I>&gt;<i>  <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+</I>&gt;<i>  hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+</I>&gt;<i>  file, then try to use firefox...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    echo madvise&gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  and firefox should work as expected now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+</I>&gt;<i>  &quot;madvise&quot; for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+</I>&gt;<i>  explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+<PRE>On 19.12.2011 00:22, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie skrev 19.12.2011 00:18:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 18/12/11 21:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6934831 dec 18 23:50
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> /boot/initrd-3.1.6-desktop-0.rc1.1.1.mga2.img
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Need 'inst' function, try setting PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a file that defines it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Option exclude requires an argument
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> usage: cpio-filter [--exclude&lt;PATTERN&gt;] [--in-place] [&lt;cpio file&gt;]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How did you trigger this? I've not seen this error. Do you have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> special/different plymouth theme set as default?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, default plymouth theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Triggered by simply installing a kernel with urpmi --auto-update
+</I>
+/usr/lib/libDrakX/bootloader.pm (drakxtools-backend):
+sub mkinitrd {
+    [...]
+    # after mkinitrd command:
+    add_boot_splash($initrd, $entry-&gt;{vga} || $bootloader-&gt;{vga});
+    [...]
+}
+sub add_boot_splash {
+    [...]
+    run_program::rooted($::prefix,
+'/usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/make-boot-splash', $initrd, $res-&gt;{X});
+    [...]
+}
+
+/usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/make-boot-splash (bootsplash):
+[...]
+$splash_dir/scripts/make-boot-splash-raw $initrd_file $THEME
+[...]
+
+/usr/share/bootsplash/scripts/make-boot-splash-raw (bootsplash):
+[...]
+/usr/libexec/plymouth/plymouth-populate-initrd -t $tmp_dir/plymouth
+[...]
+
+/usr/libexec/plymouth/plymouth-populate-initrd (plymouth-scripts):
+[...]
+    if [ -f &quot;${PLYMOUTH_LIBEXECDIR}/initrd-functions&quot; ]; then
+
+PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS=&quot;${PLYMOUTH_LIBEXECDIR}/initrd-functions&quot;
+    elif [ -f &quot;${MKINITRD_LIBEXECDIR}/functions&quot; ]; then
+
+PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS=&quot;${MKINITRD_LIBEXECDIR}/functions&quot;
+    fi
+
+    if [ -f &quot;${PLYMOUTH_DATADIR}/dracut/dracut-functions&quot; ]; then
+
+PLYMOUTH_POPULATE_SOURCE_FUNCTIONS=&quot;${PLYMOUTH_DATADIR}/dracut/dracut-functions&quot;
+    fi
+[...]
+
+So plymouth-scripts breaks as dracut-functions got moved, and the old
+mkinitrd functions are no longer present after the obsoletes was added.
+In addition, make-boot-splash-raw seems to not handle the failure
+properly, creating empty initramfs instead.
+
+I'm going to look at this right now to fix at least the first one. I'm
+not 100% sure if this add_boot_splash() stuff is needed at all (for
+customs bootsplashes maybe?), but I'll leave that for Colin to look at :)
+
+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+type (NFS, HTTP, et,) I get a panel saying that &quot;we now use the kernel 
+support for pcmcia, and this won't work with a 2.2 kernel&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3:5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 184708
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade to 5.4RC3
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;synched with Mandriva
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+What do you think of marking packages on which we (or our apprentices) 
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+I've experienced that when we are working on a package - even if it is 
+noticed on Bugzilla, Mageia-Dev or elsewhere - someone may simply 
+check-out the package, bump version or make some changes (resolve a 
+bug), check-in. We know that making changes in a long spec, may take 
+days or even month (a lot of sources, large installation-tree, patches 
+to review, consulting upstream etc), and rapid changes can do nothing good.
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+Today I talked on it, how to prevent a package from being localized by 
+someone and simply bumped without asking.
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+So what do you think on marking packages that are underdevelopment?
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+I think it's good to just simply mark it in the 1st line of a svn-spec: 
+&quot;# (name) date message&quot;, e.g. &quot;# (john) 2011.12.20 please don't touch 
+this package, I'm working on it right now, it may take a few weeks&quot; or 
+&quot;# (john) 2011.08.23 don't update the version, it won't match current KDE&quot;.
+
+There is already a list of sensitive packages here 
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Sensitive_packages">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Sensitive_packages</A> maybe just it is 
+sufficient for 10,000 packages distribution?
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.58-5.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 187364
+</I>&gt;<i> - build with kernel-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2
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+BTW can you release 1.59?
+I've added missing nilfs2 module...
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+&gt;<i> After updating cauldron, the destop is empty: all icons and plasmoids are
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+</I>Well here &#171; only &#187; the pannel was missing during the upgrade (&amp; not all 
+plasmoids).
+&gt;<i> It is necessary to rename or remove ~/.kde4/ to recreate a new usable
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop. This is easy for us, but it should be better to keep as much as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible of old configuration.
+</I>It would have been better to get ride of only the plasma* configuration files so 
+you won't loose all kde's apps configuration.
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+</I>&gt;<i> What must be done during the upgrade to KDE &gt;= 4.7.95 ?
+</I>Currently i don't know, i don't know why it did not happens during the 4.7.90 
+transition :/
+Anyway of course we'll look &amp; check how it could be fixed.
+(It could be related in fact to some configuration changes like for dolphin for 
+example).
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+-- 
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 26 December 2011 04:30, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; 
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3.3.8b-30.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 187720
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - set system flags
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Wasn't this one supposed to be never imported?
+</I>It was imported for lsb.
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+&gt;<i> This has been going on for a few days.  Not a whisper of a problem on
+</I>&gt;<i> non-laptop systems:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>[...]
+laptop-mode-tools is deprecated since mga1 if i'm not wrong.
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+&gt;<i> In today's cauldron, a fresh install loops in the bootloader stage 
+</I>&gt;<i> because something has suddenly decided that it knows when stuff is 
+</I>&gt;<i> taking too long.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> VC3 shows &quot;ERROR: killing runaway process 
+</I>&gt;<i> (process=mkinitrd.....error=ALARM at /usr/lib/libDrakx/run_program.pm 
+</I>&gt;<i> line 92&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the GUI, you get a graphical prompt saying that an error occurred 
+</I>&gt;<i> and mkinitrd failed, and if you click OK (the only choice), it goes 
+</I>&gt;<i> and tries the mkinitrd again, fails again, .....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, basically, the install stops there, as you can't get to Summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This appears to have cleared itself up.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 17 December 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 99.5% of the use cases ...
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to question that.
+</I>
+Col,
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+Could you have a look at <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2600">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2600</A> ?  
+It appears that starting X on tty1 may be causing problems on 
+single-core machines, as something is starting mingetty on tty1 repeatedly.
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+Also, I'm not sure what the desired functionality ended up as here, but 
+in current cauldron even though there are mingetty's started on 
+tty1-tty6, CTRL-ALT-Fn doesn't budge off the X desktop for any value of n.
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+<PRE>On 12/28/2011 10:24 AM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 22 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:02:50 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This has been going on for a few days.  Not a whisper of a problem on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-laptop systems:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop-mode-tools is deprecated since mga1 if i'm not wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So shouldn't whatever replaced it obsolete it ?
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 12/28/2011 10:24 AM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 22 d&#233;cembre 2011 17:02:50 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This has been going on for a few days.  Not a whisper of a problem on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; non-laptop systems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; laptop-mode-tools is deprecated since mga1 if i'm not wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So shouldn't whatever replaced it obsolete it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>From the changelog of pm-utils it's wrote :
+</I>
+* Wed May 18 2011 ahmad &lt;ahmad&gt; 1.4.1-3.mga1
++ Revision: 99676
+- Conflict with laptop-mode-tools, its functionalities overlap pm-utils, and
+  upstream thinks it should conflict
+  <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59</A>
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+That's why no obsoletes was added.
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+&gt;<i> Could you please explain a little more what you are looking for.
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP provides the php-mysql and php-pdo-mysql
+</I>He wants to add a php-database virtual package, provided by the 
+different php database bindings.
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+The only problem here is that, pdo aside, there is no unified database 
+interface in php. Some applications may have explicit support for some 
+databases, this doesn't mean they have generic support for any database. 
+You're likely to quickly run into applications able to work with mysql, 
+postgresql or sqlite, and those able to work with just mysql or 
+postgresql. In theory, you'll end up with as much virtual package as 
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 10:34:19 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So shouldn't whatever replaced it obsolete it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From the changelog of pm-utils it's wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Wed May 18 2011 ahmad&lt;ahmad&gt;  1.4.1-3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 99676
+</I>&gt;<i> - Conflict with laptop-mode-tools, its functionalities overlap pm-utils, and
+</I>&gt;<i>    upstream thinks it should conflict
+</I>&gt;<i>    <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why no obsoletes was added.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If I read that bugreport correctly, KDE's use of power management hooks 
+conflicts with pm-utils.  What about multiple-desktop installations ?  
+Is the removal of laptop-mode-tools or pm-utils going to be transparent 
+to GNOME or LXDE ?  Or are KDE's hooks specific to KDE only ?
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+every time php version be changed? If the php lib version is hardcoded
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+2011/12/20 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 20 December 2011 03:08, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 3:5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 184708
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - upgrade to 5.4RC3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;synched with Mandriva
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:01:39 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 12/28/2011 10:48 AM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 10:34:19 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So shouldn't whatever replaced it obsolete it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; From the changelog of pm-utils it's wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Wed May 18 2011 ahmad&lt;ahmad&gt;  1.4.1-3.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 99676
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Conflict with laptop-mode-tools, its functionalities overlap pm-utils,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    upstream thinks it should conflict
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;    <A HREF="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612710#59</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's why no obsoletes was added.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If I read that bugreport correctly, KDE's use of power management hooks
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts with pm-utils.  
+</I>no.
+kde use pm-utils.
+pm-utils conflicts with laptop-mode-tools.
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+-- 
+Balcaen John
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+&gt;<i> Florian reads both lists, so I'm pretty sure this would have been mentioned
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere in Mageia-land, but I  want to add that I have experienced extreme
+</I>&gt;<i> delays in firefox and other apps when I run largely IO-intensive apps with
+</I>&gt;<i> large file buffersizes, and the workaround in this comment fixes this
+</I>&gt;<i> completely.  We  should consider this for our kernels if we haven't already.
+</I>Check <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3825#c0">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3825#c0</A>
+Update candidate currently going through validation ... ;)
+Also posted in the forums:
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=11691#p11691">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=11691#p11691</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------- Original Message --------
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: 	Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage
+</I>&gt;<i> devices
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 	Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:36:02 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: 	Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Reply-To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: 	<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at mandrivalinux.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am 19.12.2011 10:26, schrieb Franck Bui:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've noticed a regression on my system which can stall some applications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (most notably firefox) during very very long time (&gt; 10 mins).
+</I>&gt;<i> Man, you're my hero, trying to find out what causes this since some months now.
+</I>&gt;<i> At least two thumbs up! :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's apparently related to transparent huge pages and I found that it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; had already been described by LWN here a month ago:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.">http://lwn.net/Articles/467328/.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unlike what it's stated in the article, the regression is not really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hard to trigger in my case: just plug a USB stick, copy on it a big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file, then try to use firefox...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To fix this, simply try to disable THP:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;   echo madvise &gt;/sys/kernel/mm//transparent_hugepage/enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and firefox should work as expected now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, if no one objects, the plan is to simply default the THP stuff to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;madvise&quot; for desktop flavour where an application has to ask
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; explicitly huge page otherwise it will be disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:01:39 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I read that bugreport correctly, KDE's use of power management hooks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conflicts with pm-utils.
+</I>&gt;<i> no.
+</I>&gt;<i> kde use pm-utils.
+</I>&gt;<i> pm-utils conflicts with laptop-mode-tools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>OK, sorry, the &quot;upstream&quot; maintainer didn't actually make it clear as to 
+which &quot;upstream&quot; he was :)
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+But  the question still stands in modified form: is anything else on a 
+Mageia system using laptop-mode-tools, or has everything moved to 
+pm-utils ?  If I rip out laptop-mode-tools to avoid blocking the KDE 
+packages, what happens to non-KDE stuff ?
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+&gt;<i> But  the question still stands in modified form: is anything else on a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia system using laptop-mode-tools, or has everything moved to
+</I>&gt;<i> pm-utils ?  If I rip out laptop-mode-tools to avoid blocking the KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, what happens to non-KDE stuff ?
+</I>I would say nothing since i doubt that ahmad would add a conflicts just for 
+that.
+Also if it was stricly requires (like it is for kde) i guess a urpme laptop-
+mode-tools should answer the question.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 13:36:49 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:34:08 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But  the question still stands in modified form: is anything else on a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia system using laptop-mode-tools, or has everything moved to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pm-utils ?  If I rip out laptop-mode-tools to avoid blocking the KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages, what happens to non-KDE stuff ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say nothing since i doubt that ahmad would add a conflicts just for
+</I>&gt;<i> that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also if it was stricly requires (like it is for kde) i guess a urpme laptop-
+</I>&gt;<i> mode-tools should answer the question.
+</I>On the laptop-mode mailing list, the problem arises too cf :
+ <A HREF="http://mailman.samwel.tk/pipermail/laptop-mode/2010-May/000262.html">http://mailman.samwel.tk/pipermail/laptop-mode/2010-May/000262.html</A>
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+So in fact it's conflicting with some functionnality provides by gnome-
+powermanager at least.
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 19/12/11 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 December 2011 12:02, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> colin &lt;colin&gt; 37-15.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 182053
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Do not start getty on tty1, it's used for X11 now (mga#3430)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW systemd-sysvinit bloats again minimal installation by requiring python
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because of systemd-sysv-convert, that doesn't seem used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please move it into systemd-tools in order to debloat minimal install
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ACK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest, I think Lennart really didn't like that utility... it was
+</I>&gt;<i> only included in Fedora due to politics I think, so we should likely
+</I>&gt;<i> just drop it.
+</I>
+so let's remove it completly :)
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+do you have time for this ? ( and in iptables too )
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:34:08 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But  the question still stands in modified form: is anything else on a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia system using laptop-mode-tools, or has everything moved to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pm-utils ?  If I rip out laptop-mode-tools to avoid blocking the KDE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages, what happens to non-KDE stuff ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say nothing since i doubt that ahmad would add a conflicts just for
+</I>&gt;<i> that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also if it was stricly requires (like it is for kde) i guess a urpme laptop-
+</I>&gt;<i> mode-tools should answer the question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>urpme removes laptop-mode-tools without a whimper.  So we should 
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+<PRE>Am 23.12.2011 00:06, schrieb Olav Vitters:
+&gt;<i> &gt;From <A HREF="https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt:">https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt:</A>
+</I>Link is broken, seems there are no direct links to comments yet, should be:
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+<A HREF="https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt">https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt</A> ;)
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;Yeah, thats what I meant by 'unknown media' in my previous blog entry.
+</I>&gt;<i> To make Boxes support your favourite distro as nicely as Fedora and
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows, you need to:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Put metadata about it in libosinfo's default DB (its simple and
+</I>&gt;<i> intuitive XML files) with information about its latest media.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Add unattended installation for it in Boxes. This will need some
+</I>&gt;<i> hacking but its not as difficult at one might imagine. :)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone willing to ensure Boxes works nicely with Mageia by submitting a
+</I>&gt;<i> libosinfo XML file (upstream!) + ensure the unattended installation
+</I>&gt;<i> works by hacking Boxes?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bit swamped myself...
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 12/28/2011 11:40 AM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the laptop-mode mailing list, the problem arises too cf :
+</I>&gt;<i>   <A HREF="http://mailman.samwel.tk/pipermail/laptop-mode/2010-May/000262.html">http://mailman.samwel.tk/pipermail/laptop-mode/2010-May/000262.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in fact it's conflicting with some functionnality provides by gnome-
+</I>&gt;<i> powermanager at least.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, I suppose there's nothing we can do about it, but urpmq/rpm -q 
+indicates that laptop-mode-tools provides nothing and nobody else seems 
+to require laptop-mode-tools.  But the link you gave suggests that the 
+DE packages are only doing *some* of what laptop-mode-tools does, as the 
+author says that they will conflict on the individual settings that 
+other packages control, but that he doesn't know who else is trying to 
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+<PRE>On 12/28/2011 10:31 AM, Frank Griffin wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Col,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you have a look at <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2600">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2600</A> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ?  It appears that starting X on tty1 may be causing problems on 
+</I>&gt;<i> single-core machines, as something is starting mingetty on tty1 
+</I>&gt;<i> repeatedly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I'm not sure what the desired functionality ended up as here, 
+</I>&gt;<i> but in current cauldron even though there are mingetty's started on 
+</I>&gt;<i> tty1-tty6, CTRL-ALT-Fn doesn't budge off the X desktop for any value 
+</I>&gt;<i> of n.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No longer critical, the problem went away when I upgraded X to 1.11.2-3 
+from 1.10.4.
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+    <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> 
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Balcaen John &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 25 d&#233;cembre 2011 19:40:51 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After updating cauldron, the destop is empty: all icons and plasmoids are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missing.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well here &#171; only &#187; the pannel was missing during the upgrade (&amp; not all
+</I>&gt;<i> plasmoids).
+</I>
+Yes, here I only lost my panel, but desktop plasmoids remained.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and P. Christeas at 20/12/11 07:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 17 December 2011, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Back in the day, text logins were the norm, graphical logins came later.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Text logins got ttys 1-7... These days they are pretty much useless for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 99.5% of the use cases ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to question that.
+</I>&gt;<i> You see, machines still have 'init 3' (or did Fedora remove that, too?),
+</I>
+Yup they remove it! Well, technically not, it's just not called &quot;3&quot; any
+more, it's called &quot;multi-user.target&quot; which is altogether more sensible.
+
+&gt;<i> there 
+</I>&gt;<i> is still people wanting a Linux box (not desktop) not to have X. And that's 
+</I>&gt;<i> way more than 0.5% .
+</I>
+OK, the text you quoted is somewhat taken out of context. I never
+suggested removing text logins or not catering for server installs sans
+X (I use this setup myself). All I'm suggesting is that the first, say
+six TTYs are reserved for the current target's preferred login system.
+If you are on multi-user.target (aka runlevel 3) then you 1-6 offer you
+a text login as before. However if you are on graphical target then 1-6
+should offer you graphical logins instead.
+
+&gt;<i> Or, X may be broken sometimes.
+</I>
+And I proposed that some higher numbers would be reserved for text-only
+logins - i.e. tty's 8-9 or something.
+
+&gt;<i> So, standardization of tty1=text makes sense, is not just an old habit.
+</I>
+No, it's an old habit so you are defaulting to it as a solution when
+there are a myriad of others out there that (IMO) fit better.
+
+&gt;<i> Because, you are *always* expecting to find a working tty console on a Linux 
+</I>&gt;<i> box[1], while X only launches a bit later, if it can[2]. Putting the one that 
+</I>&gt;<i> works in the default place is more reasonable, see?
+</I>
+I also thing it's reasonable that *something* pops up when X tries to
+start and fails. Whether this is a getty that allows you to log in or
+something even more friendly, doesn't really matter.
+
+&gt;<i> Really, why don't you patch the kernel to start at tty7? you could call that 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;progress&quot;, too.
+</I>
+IMO, no it's not progress. It's keeping the same conventions for the
+sake of it rather than evaluating what makes sense with a fresh pair of
+eyes. The ONLY valid reason I can see for keeping graphics on tty7 is
+simply that's that's how it was done before. Now this does carry some
+weight I agree, but when evaluating what makes Linux hard to use for
+newbies and novices, we sometimes have to through out &quot;quirks&quot; that we
+are used to for the sake of a more logical approach.
+
+&gt;<i> Some things in Linux could improve, but some don't need change. Unix legacy is 
+</I>&gt;<i> what makes Linux great[3]
+</I>
+Citation needed. And your footnote is complete nonsense. Time has not
+proven it right at all. It's proven that it works, but that doesn't mean
+it's optimal. I mean time has proven that a bubble sort works. Does that
+mean we should not look to e.g. quick sort algorithms etc? Of course not.
+
+&gt;<i>, IMHO. Part of that legacy (the &quot;old school&quot;) is to 
+</I>&gt;<i> have failsafe defaults, is to start with a minimal design and then build the 
+</I>&gt;<i> extras on top.
+</I>
+And you are welcome to your view, but you have to admit it's clouded. I
+try very hard to discard any clouded views I have due to habits. I mean
+a regular newbie user doesn't consider &quot;graphical UI&quot; to be an &quot;extra
+that you built on top&quot;... it's the core to them. Anything less and it's
+not an operating system!
+
+&gt;<i> That's why Unix principles (or &quot;hangovers&quot;) have survived so 
+</I>&gt;<i> many decades, while other OSs have gone with the wind[4]. 
+</I>
+A lot of unixisms are good. But some are bad and just didn't have any
+viable alternative until people pull their finger out and design and
+develop some stuff to replace it! You cannot say &quot;unix is good&quot; as a
+broad statement. You have to each component on it's own merits.
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 22/12/11 23:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i>From <A HREF="https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt">https://plus.google.com/109973678654056732542/posts/drB3U65Hptt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Yeah, thats what I meant by 'unknown media' in my previous blog entry.
+</I>&gt;<i> To make Boxes support your favourite distro as nicely as Fedora and
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows, you need to:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Put metadata about it in libosinfo's default DB (its simple and
+</I>&gt;<i> intuitive XML files) with information about its latest media.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Add unattended installation for it in Boxes. This will need some
+</I>&gt;<i> hacking but its not as difficult at one might imagine. :)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone willing to ensure Boxes works nicely with Mageia by submitting a
+</I>&gt;<i> libosinfo XML file (upstream!) + ensure the unattended installation
+</I>&gt;<i> works by hacking Boxes?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Bit swamped myself...
+</I>
++1 for making sure this works OOTB for mga2!
+
+Zeeshan is a good guy too. If you put a Star Trek reference in your
+commit it pretty much will guarantee he'll accept it :D
+
+Col
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 28/12/11 16:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> BTW, could anybody tell why the rebuilding of PHP stack is needed for
+</I>&gt;<i> every time php version be changed? If the php lib version is hardcoded
+</I>&gt;<i> in compiled modules, maybe we should add corresponding requires into
+</I>&gt;<i> the produced rpms.
+</I>
+I've not looked for ages, but IIRC various modules use the php-source
+package.
+
+But yeah, stricter provides should be added if it's not already in there
+(it could be!)
+
+Col
+
+-- 
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 20 december 2011 01:41:38 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think of marking packages on which we (or our apprentices)
+</I>&gt;<i> are working?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I've experienced that when we are working on a package - even if it is
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed on Bugzilla, Mageia-Dev or elsewhere - someone may simply
+</I>&gt;<i> check-out the package, bump version or make some changes (resolve a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug), check-in. We know that making changes in a long spec, may take
+</I>&gt;<i> days or even month (a lot of sources, large installation-tree, patches
+</I>&gt;<i> to review, consulting upstream etc), and rapid changes can do nothing good.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Today I talked on it, how to prevent a package from being localized by
+</I>&gt;<i> someone and simply bumped without asking.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do you think on marking packages that are underdevelopment?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's good to just simply mark it in the 1st line of a svn-spec:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;# (name) date message&quot;, e.g. &quot;# (john) 2011.12.20 please don't touch
+</I>&gt;<i> this package, I'm working on it right now, it may take a few weeks&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;# (john) 2011.08.23 don't update the version, it won't match current KDE&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> There is already a list of sensitive packages here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Sensitive_packages">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Sensitive_packages</A> maybe just it is
+</I>&gt;<i> sufficient for 10,000 packages distribution?
+</I>
+
+imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer for it 
+and asks maintainer first...
+
+i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who bump, 
+rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
+
+if something has got to be checked, maintainership is a good place to start
+
+if we would have some kind of page which would list the activeness of 
+maintainers, via gathering info from commits/bugzilla/mailinglist/forum/ stuff, 
+that could be a nice place too. then we could see if this maintainer is 
+actually inactive or not. i would hope this would lessen the amount of people 
+just bumping stuff if they don't maintain it...
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+&gt;<i> imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer for it 
+</I>&gt;<i> and asks maintainer first...
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+</I>&gt;<i> i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who bump, 
+</I>&gt;<i> rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:26:22PM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for it and asks maintainer first...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bump, rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What about svn lock?  That would be pretty hard to ignore.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Dan
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+true, but what if you are ill, have a heart-attack, or are away for a long 
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+MariaDB noted that it is undistributable if you use their code (GPLv2) to link 
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+however I noted that the readline v6 we ship has mentioned as license GPLv2. 
+(likely incorrect)
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+should we go over all our packages who use readline to check if they all are 
+valid?
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+is there some kind of way we can allow this?
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+as a status side note on MariaDB, i have some bugs fixed, but it's sitting 
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> MariaDB noted that it is undistributable if you use their code (GPLv2) to
+</I>&gt;<i> link with readline v6 (GPLv3).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> however I noted that the readline v6 we ship has mentioned as license
+</I>&gt;<i> GPLv2. (likely incorrect)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> should we go over all our packages who use readline to check if they all
+</I>&gt;<i> are valid?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> is there some kind of way we can allow this?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> as a status side note on MariaDB, i have some bugs fixed, but it's sitting
+</I>&gt;<i> here, just waiting for this License issue to be resolved...
+</I>
+i just found out that debian seems to be maintaining readlinev5 as readline-
+gplv2-dev
+
+i wonder if we can switch our readline to something like that, so we don't 
+have to maintain it ourselves?
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME Activity Journal is a tool for easily browsing and finding files on
+</I>&gt;<i> your computer. It shows a chronological journal of all file activity and
+</I>&gt;<i> supports full-text search through Tracker.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ofaurax &lt;ofaurax&gt; 0.8.0-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 188626
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package gnome-activity-journal
+</I>
+You've an uneeded empty line at top of %description....
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%092mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtYg%2B6N_Kyy-M5pLZHmX_64zFAX7QXq61faKcBuH%2Bqn3tQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Video DVD creation tool, successor to ManDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> 2ManDVD is a graphical tool for creating Video DVDs and slideshows, including
+</I>&gt;<i> menus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> N.B. Executable name is 2ManDVD
+</I>
+Last line has nothing to do in description....
+
+&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.7.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 188139
+</I>&gt;<i> - Updated to 1.7.3
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> When firing up isolinux today, before even seeing the panel for install type
+</I>&gt;<i> (NFS, HTTP, et,) I get a panel saying that &quot;we now use the kernel support
+</I>&gt;<i> for pcmcia, and this won't work with a 2.2 kernel&quot;.
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+</I>&gt;<i> What does this mean ? &#160;What is using a 2.2 kernel ? &#160;How is a user to
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible if we drop perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed from cauldron? It is not
+</I>&gt;<i> required by any other packages, and it is the one of the only few
+</I>&gt;<i> packages depending on libxulrunner.
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+    <B>Thibaut FRANCOIS</B> 
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+I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a new
+house) and now I have an error with dracut :
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+dracut : starting plymouth daemon
+&gt;<i> dracut Warning : No root device
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropping to debug shell
+</I>&gt;<i> sh : 0 can't access tty; job control turned off
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command &quot;vi&quot;
+isn't functionnal).
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+How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 12:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a
+</I>&gt;<i> new house) and now I have an error with dracut :
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     dracut : starting plymouth daemon
+</I>&gt;<i>     dracut Warning : No root device
+</I>&gt;<i>     &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found
+</I>&gt;<i>     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i>     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>     Dropping to debug shell
+</I>&gt;<i>     sh : 0 can't access tty; job control turned off
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;vi&quot; isn't functionnal).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?
+</I>
+Try removing the &quot;resume=&quot; bit of the kernel command line. I need to
+look into the problem properly, but this is what I've found to be the
+cause... not quite sure why it messes other things up, but it's on my list.
+
+Can you confirm whether this fixes if for you? No need to rebuild initrd
+or anything, just edit the command line at the grub prompt.
+
+Col
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+  PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 december 2011 10:32:21 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MariaDB noted that it is undistributable if you use their code (GPLv2) to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> link with readline v6 (GPLv3).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> however I noted that the readline v6 we ship has mentioned as license
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GPLv2. (likely incorrect)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should we go over all our packages who use readline to check if they all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are valid?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is there some kind of way we can allow this?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as a status side note on MariaDB, i have some bugs fixed, but it's sitting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here, just waiting for this License issue to be resolved...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i just found out that debian seems to be maintaining readlinev5 as readline-
+</I>&gt;<i> gplv2-dev
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i wonder if we can switch our readline to something like that, so we don't 
+</I>&gt;<i> have to maintain it ourselves?
+</I>
+Seems like a good idea generally. I mean it's not like that many people
+will be super interested in which version of readline shipped...
+(obviously some will, but it'll be a minority). See what Fedora is doing
+too perhaps?
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 12:15 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> new house) and now I have an error with dracut :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      dracut : starting plymouth daemon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      dracut Warning : No root device
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      Dropping to debug shell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      sh : 0 can't access tty; job control turned off
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;vi&quot; isn't functionnal).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Try removing the &quot;resume=&quot; bit of the kernel command line. I need to
+</I>&gt;<i> look into the problem properly, but this is what I've found to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> cause... not quite sure why it messes other things up, but it's on my list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm whether this fixes if for you? No need to rebuild initrd
+</I>&gt;<i> or anything, just edit the command line at the grub prompt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>If removing the grub &quot;resume=&quot; part has an effect, wouldn't that 
+indicate that the system hadn't shut down properly ?
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+2011/12/29 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 21 December 2011 02:19, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - New version 9.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Rebuild against new nss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
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+    <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 29/12/11 10:50 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op donderdag 29 december 2011 10:32:21 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; MariaDB noted that it is undistributable if you use their code (GPLv2)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to link with readline v6 (GPLv3).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; however I noted that the readline v6 we ship has mentioned as license
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; GPLv2. (likely incorrect)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should we go over all our packages who use readline to check if they all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; are valid?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is there some kind of way we can allow this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; as a status side note on MariaDB, i have some bugs fixed, but it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sitting here, just waiting for this License issue to be resolved...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i just found out that debian seems to be maintaining readlinev5 as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; readline- gplv2-dev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i wonder if we can switch our readline to something like that, so we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't have to maintain it ourselves?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like a good idea generally. I mean it's not like that many people
+</I>&gt;<i> will be super interested in which version of readline shipped...
+</I>&gt;<i> (obviously some will, but it'll be a minority). See what Fedora is doing
+</I>&gt;<i> too perhaps?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+for fedora, the spec file requires readline-devel (that'll be version 6), but 
+the executable doesn't seem linked to it... perhaps they build either v6 or a 
+bundled version? but definately statically linked.
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I'm always thinking about something like /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-requires.d/
+</I>&gt;<i> This way we could put all the mass requirement finding scripts into
+</I>&gt;<i> that folder, so there is no need to hardcoding them into
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-provides.
+</I>
+uh?
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/29 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
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+    <B>Thibaut FRANCOIS</B> 
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 12:15 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did today an update (the first since two weeks because I moved in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; new house) and now I have an error with dracut :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     dracut : starting plymouth daemon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     dracut Warning : No root device
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     &quot;block:/dev/disk/by-uuid/9cb95d77-e3f0-43ab-be24-adb48e5facbd&quot; found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     dracut Warning : &quot;/dev/resume&quot; does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     Dropping to debug shell
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;     sh : 0 can't access tty; job control turned off
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And now I have a very small set of commands (for example the command
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;vi&quot; isn't functionnal).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How send to you more informations and how solve this problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Try removing the &quot;resume=&quot; bit of the kernel command line. I need to
+</I>&gt;<i> look into the problem properly, but this is what I've found to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> cause... not quite sure why it messes other things up, but it's on my list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you confirm whether this fixes if for you? No need to rebuild initrd
+</I>&gt;<i> or anything, just edit the command line at the grub prompt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last
+kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it's ok.
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+<PRE>On 25.10.2011 19:39, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     158082
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     matteo
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-10-25 18:39:21 +0200 (Tue, 25 Oct 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> upgraded to version 1.13.4
+</I>
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> -Patch3:		wget-1.8-no-solaris-md5.h.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch4:		wget-1.11-etc.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -# The following patch is needed for authenticated sites where login can have '@':
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch7:		wget-1.10-url_password.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch9:		wget-1.11-logstdout.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch10:	wget-1.10-referer-opt-typo.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch11:	wget-1.9.1-fix-fr-translation.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -# needed by urpmi, inspired by <A HREF="http://matthewm.boedicker.org/code/src/wget_force_clobber.patch">http://matthewm.boedicker.org/code/src/wget_force_clobber.patch</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch13:	wget-1.11-add-force-clobber-option.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch14:	wget-1.12-CVE-2010-2252.diff
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch0:         %{name}-ssl-certs.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch1:         %{name}-pl.po-update.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch2:		%{name}-1.13.4-fix-fr-po.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch3:		%{name}-forceclobber.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch4:		%{name}-logtostdout.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +# patches 5 and 6 needs patch 3 to be applied before
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch5:		%{name}-urlpassword.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch6:		%{name}-referertypo.patch
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch7:		%{name}-1.13.4-etc.patch
+</I>
+Patches have been reordered and renamed without any mention or
+explanation in the changelog entry.
+
+Even worse, you've removed no-solaris-md5.h.patch and CVE-2010-2252.diff
+without any explanation.
+
+Also, you've added wget-ssl-certs.patch and fix-fr-po.patch without any
+explanation. Of those, wget-ssl-certs.patch *breaks* SSL certificate
+handling since it replaces *correct* paths with *wrong* paths. Are you
+blindly adding patches from some another distribution without checking?
+
+In addition, you've removed the .spec comments of some patches without
+any explanation.
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i>  # all tests must pass (but where are they?)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%check
+</I>&gt;<i> -make check
+</I>&gt;<i> +#%check
+</I>&gt;<i> +#%__make check
+</I>
+Why is this commented, again without any explanation?
+
+Please use svn propedit to edit the changelog of this commit and revert
+the inappropriate parts.
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+-- 
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+Can someone say exactly what it does and does not address for nonfree 
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+&gt;<i> As I updated cauldron this morning, I noticed the above file come in.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can someone say exactly what it does and does not address for nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> driver and firmware install issues ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is the standard boot.iso with added firmwares from nonfree so you can
+install on hw that needs it to work (during install)
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+Meaning disk controllers, network cards, ...
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+It is still WIP, and has only (for now based on hw I can test):
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+kernel-firmware-extra
+radeon-firmware
+iwlwifi-*-ucode
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+I will add more later as I test it more.
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+I'm not sure about wireless firmware/support as stage1 does not support
+it yet.
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+Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
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+For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+need to fix stage2 installer.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It is the standard boot.iso with added firmwares from nonfree so you can
+</I>&gt;<i> install on hw that needs it to work (during install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Meaning disk controllers, network cards, ...
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+</I>&gt;<i> It is still WIP, and has only (for now based on hw I can test):
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+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> iwlwifi-*-ucode
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will add more later as I test it more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks very much for working on this.  It will be a great improvement to 
+the install.
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+as suspected, MariaDB cannot license as GPLv2+
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+A) follow upstream, and use bundled GPLv2 readline to link static against
+B) go back to readline-v5
+C) repackage debian's version of readline-gplv2 (afaik its a v5 maintained)
+D) ignore all this legal crap and just link shared with readline v6
+E) try to use libedit, but the spec files contain buildConflicts with it, so i'm 
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+&gt;<i> On 21 December 2011 02:19, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt; 0:9.0-0.1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 185216
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - New version 9.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Rebuild against new nss
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+</I>&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
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+    <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> 
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+&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> since nobody wants to update (or check) all firefox-ext-* for each
+</I>&gt;<i> release, we can remove them for the stable...
+</I>
+Please stop trolling.
+I maintain this package.
+I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+push/backport
+the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
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+&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 17:39, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since nobody wants to update (or check) all firefox-ext-* for each
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release, we can remove them for the stable...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Please stop trolling.
+</I>&gt;<i> I maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;<i> I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+</I>&gt;<i> push/backport
+</I>&gt;<i> the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
+</I>
+I'am not trolling. I know that you maintain some firefox-ext in cauldron
+and that you are away sometime.
+I only said that since some months, nobody was checking the extensions
+in mga *1*.
+(and iirc QA don't check it anymore, as you can see in the updates of
+firefox 6 or later)
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+Manuel Hiebel
+<A HREF="http://netiquette.fr/">http://netiquette.fr/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 20 december 2011 01:41:38 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer for it
+</I>&gt;<i> and asks maintainer first...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who bump,
+</I>&gt;<i> rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
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+</I>&gt;<i> if something has got to be checked, maintainership is a good place to start
+</I>Well, but it doesn't seem to work. In my humble opinion we need it 
+guaranteed by our infrastructure.
+&gt;<i> if we would have some kind of page which would list the activeness of
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers, via gathering info from commits/bugzilla/mailinglist/forum/ stuff,
+</I>&gt;<i> that could be a nice place too. then we could see if this maintainer is
+</I>&gt;<i> actually inactive or not. i would hope this would lessen the amount of people
+</I>&gt;<i> just bumping stuff if they don't maintain it...
+</I>I like an idea of a web page with statistics (but not so widely 
+gathering data) and I dislike the idea of pinpointing packagers who are 
+doing something wrong (like active on packaging, inactive on 
+discussions), if our infrastructure will be good on this, then there 
+won't be need to pinpoint people and their mistakes.. Of course I don't 
+count mindful abusing, trolling etc.
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+    <B>Funda Wang</B> 
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+automatically for firefox-exts, extracted from install.rdf
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+2011/12/29 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 15:18, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm always thinking about something like /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-requires.d/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This way we could put all the mass requirement finding scripts into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that folder, so there is no need to hardcoding them into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-provides.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> uh?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/29 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
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+&gt;<i> I mean we could wrote a simple script to add version requires
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically for firefox-exts, extracted from install.rdf
+</I>
+Adding eg sg like this ?
+Requires: firefox &gt;= 5
+Conflicts: firefox &gt; 10
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+Looks like a nice idea...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 15:18, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm always thinking about something like /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-requires.d/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This way we could put all the mass requirement finding scripts into
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+&gt;<i> Still there after this morning's update of the install.  What situation
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+</I>It should be fixed in current stage1:
+drakx-installer-binaries-1.55-1.mga2
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+&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 17:39, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since nobody wants to update (or check) all firefox-ext-* for each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release, we can remove them for the stable...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please stop trolling.
+</I>&gt;<i> I maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;<i> I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+</I>&gt;<i> push/backport
+</I>&gt;<i> the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
+</I>
+i will do it in some minutes
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 17:39, Manuel Hiebel&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since nobody wants to update (or check) all firefox-ext-* for each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release, we can remove them for the stable...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please stop trolling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push/backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i will do it in some minutes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Funda already did.
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+&gt;<i> D.Morgan skrev 29.12.2011 20:27:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 29 December 2011 17:39, Manuel Hiebel&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to push a newer firefox-ext-adblock-plus (eg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> firefox-ext-adblock-plus-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from cauldron) as current mga1 one is not compatible with firefox-9...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since nobody wants to update (or check) all firefox-ext-* for each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> release, we can remove them for the stable...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please stop trolling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> push/backport
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i will do it in some minutes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda already did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Hello Thomas, I was just wondering if you'd seen this since you hadn't changed it to ASSIGNED status:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 12/28/2011 11:36 AM, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 28 d&#233;cembre 2011 11:34:08 Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But  the question still stands in modified form: is anything else on a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia system using laptop-mode-tools, or has everything moved to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pm-utils ?  If I rip out laptop-mode-tools to avoid blocking the KDE
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages, what happens to non-KDE stuff ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would say nothing since i doubt that ahmad would add a conflicts just for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also if it was stricly requires (like it is for kde) i guess a urpme laptop-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mode-tools should answer the question.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpme removes laptop-mode-tools without a whimper.  So we should 
+</I>&gt;<i> probably do the same.
+</I>
+This is causing a problem with upgrades from MDV 2010.2.  laptop-mode-tools gets upgraded to the mga version, but pm-utils does not because 
+of the conflict.  You need to manually urpme laptop-mode-tools and then upgrade the pm-utils.  I know the conflict is mentioned on the Mageia 
+1 errata, but it would be nice if there was a better solution for this (that doesn't require manual intervention).
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+&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>
+Do you have a reference for this issue?
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; php-5.4RC3 will hit the mirrors soon. It may beak a few things.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Thomas, I was just wondering if you'd seen this since you hadn't
+</I>&gt;<i> changed it to ASSIGNED status:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I was also curious if you are on the IRC.
+</I>
+No, I haven't seen it. Thanks for informing me.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 29/12/11 16:20 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 december 2011 15:28:58 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> as suspected, MariaDB cannot license as GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> ok, so what do we do:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> A) follow upstream, and use bundled GPLv2 readline to link static against
+</I>&gt;<i> B) go back to readline-v5
+</I>&gt;<i> C) repackage debian's version of readline-gplv2 (afaik its a v5 maintained)
+</I>&gt;<i> D) ignore all this legal crap and just link shared with readline v6
+</I>&gt;<i> E) try to use libedit, but the spec files contain buildConflicts with it, so i'm 
+</I>&gt;<i> guessing it's for a good reason.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> debian does B)
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora does either A) or D), but definately static linked
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> tbh: even though it's not right, my preference goes to D)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> my mariadb latest fix is just waiting to be pushed...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> please, i need comments and opinions ASAP!
+</I>
+I understand the desire to do D, but it really, really should not be
+done like that. If we cannot adhere to our own licenses, then how do we
+expect any traditionally non-foss people to do it? We have to lead by
+example.
+
+So personally I'd go with A and if/when another readline related GPLv3
+issue crops up in the future, then we switch over to C.
+
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+    <B>Colin Guthrie</B> 
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+&gt;<i> If removing the grub &quot;resume=&quot; part has an effect, wouldn't that
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate that the system hadn't shut down properly ?
+</I>
+It could indicate that, but it can also indicate that it just isn't
+handled properly in the initrd.
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+FYI incase you are not aware, the hibernation support has to be handled
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thibaut FRANCOIS at 29/12/11 14:36 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Thanks Colin, that fixes it for me. I have again a problem with the last
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel and nvidia module, but with the kernel 3.1.4 it's ok.
+</I>
+Does the &quot;nokmsboot&quot; argument not help here?
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Maarten Vanraes at 29/12/11 16:20 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 december 2011 15:28:58 schreef Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as suspected, MariaDB cannot license as GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ok, so what do we do:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A) follow upstream, and use bundled GPLv2 readline to link static against
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B) go back to readline-v5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C) repackage debian's version of readline-gplv2 (afaik its a v5 maintained)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D) ignore all this legal crap and just link shared with readline v6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> E) try to use libedit, but the spec files contain buildConflicts with it, so i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guessing it's for a good reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debian does B)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fedora does either A) or D), but definately static linked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tbh: even though it's not right, my preference goes to D)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my mariadb latest fix is just waiting to be pushed...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please, i need comments and opinions ASAP!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand the desire to do D, but it really, really should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> done like that. If we cannot adhere to our own licenses, then how do we
+</I>&gt;<i> expect any traditionally non-foss people to do it? We have to lead by
+</I>&gt;<i> example.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So personally I'd go with A and if/when another readline related GPLv3
+</I>&gt;<i> issue crops up in the future, then we switch over to C.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
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+</I>&gt;<i>    
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>
+Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
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+&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, it's exactly that.
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+the free DVD does not contain anything from nonfree, so radeon fails to 
+load until the firmware gets installed.
+
+So we are trying to solve this issue cleanly.
+One thing I'm working on is a separate firmware iso to burn (or put 
+contents on usb stick) to satisfy this need.
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+The other option for radeon users is to install using livecds.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec	2011-12-29 
+</I>20:32:07
+&gt;<i> UTC (rev 188773) +++
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> +Requires(pre): shadow-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>  Requires:   shadow-utils
+</I>Is it useful to keep requires when we have a requires(pre) before ?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A) follow upstream, and use bundled GPLv2 readline to link static
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> against
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> B) go back to readline-v5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> C) repackage debian's version of readline-gplv2 (afaik its a v5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintained)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D) ignore all this legal crap and just link shared with readline v6
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> E) try to use libedit, but the spec files contain buildConflicts with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it, so i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guessing it's for a good reason.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tbh: even though it's not right, my preference goes to D)
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> I understand the desire to do D, but it really, really should not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done like that. If we cannot adhere to our own licenses, then how do we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expect any traditionally non-foss people to do it? We have to lead by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So personally I'd go with A and if/when another readline related GPLv3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> issue crops up in the future, then we switch over to C.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> +1
+</I>
+Even though D) was my preference, i wasn't gonna do it :-)
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+ok, so A); however, in that case, i'll need some help. i'm able to build
+it perfectly, however, there's something strange going on, the rpms
+themselves have conflicts with eachother.
+
+mariadb-common conflicts with mariadb-client
+(and also something with readline in it, i forgot)
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+should i submit these to buildsystem, so you guys can help me out on this?
+
+gonna retry this again locally tonight at least..
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 29 d&#233;cembre 2011 21:50:07 <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rpm-helper/current/SPECS/rpm-helper.spec	2011-12-29
+</I>&gt;<i> 20:32:07
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev 188773) +++
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Requires(pre): shadow-utils
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   Requires:   shadow-utils
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it useful to keep requires when we have a requires(pre) before ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep.
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+Requires(pre): only ensures it's available during install, not after.
+Requires: makes sure it stays installed.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A) follow upstream, and use bundled GPLv2 readline to link static against
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> C) repackage debian's version of readline-gplv2 (afaik its a v5
+</I>maintained)
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> D) ignore all this legal crap and just link shared with readline v6 E)
+</I>try to use libedit, but the spec files contain buildConflicts with it,
+so i'm
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guessing it's for a good reason.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tbh: even though it's not right, my preference goes to D)
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> I understand the desire to do D, but it really, really should not be
+</I>done like that. If we cannot adhere to our own licenses, then how do we
+expect any traditionally non-foss people to do it? We have to lead by
+example.
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So personally I'd go with A and if/when another readline related GPLv3
+</I>issue crops up in the future, then we switch over to C.
+
+&gt;<i> +1
+</I>
+Even though D) was my preference, i wasn't gonna do it :-)
+
+ok, so A); however, in that case, i'll need some help. i'm able to build
+it perfectly, however, there's something strange going on, the rpms
+themselves have conflicts with eachother.
+
+mariadb-common conflicts with mariadb-client
+(and also something with readline in it, i forgot)
+
+should i submit these to buildsystem, so you guys can help me out on this?
+
+gonna retry this again locally tonight at least..
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> W dniu 28.12.2011 23:26, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 20 december 2011 01:41:38 schreef Kamil Rytarowski:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and asks maintainer first...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bump,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if something has got to be checked, maintainership is a good place to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> start
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, but it doesn't seem to work. In my humble opinion we need it
+</I>&gt;<i> guaranteed by our infrastructure.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if we would have some kind of page which would list the activeness of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainers, via gathering info from commits/bugzilla/mailinglist/forum/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stuff,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that could be a nice place too. then we could see if this maintainer is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually inactive or not. i would hope this would lessen the amount of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just bumping stuff if they don't maintain it...
+</I>&gt;<i> I like an idea of a web page with statistics (but not so widely
+</I>&gt;<i> gathering data) and I dislike the idea of pinpointing packagers who are
+</I>&gt;<i> doing something wrong (like active on packaging, inactive on
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions), if our infrastructure will be good on this, then there
+</I>&gt;<i> won't be need to pinpoint people and their mistakes.. Of course I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> count mindful abusing, trolling etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i didn't mean detailed results, this is not about mistakes, and definately
+since we're open source and community based.
+
+we all give whatever time we can spare...
+
+it's more about using multiple sources to determine if a user is away for
+longer than (s)he normally is...
+
+imho it doesn't need to show any data whatsoever, something like:
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+query identity user: &quot;alien&quot; ==&gt; user is active/somewhat active/reasonably
+active/away for a while/away for quite a while/likely ceased living
+
+it could even be a combination of what usual intervals are and say
+something like, &quot;likely there in a couple of hours&quot;
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+    <B>Florian Hubold</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On 27 December 2011 07:46, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Video DVD creation tool, successor to ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2ManDVD is a graphical tool for creating Video DVDs and slideshows, including
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> menus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> N.B. Executable name is 2ManDVD
+</I>&gt;<i> Last line has nothing to do in description....
+</I>As you mentioned it, already discussed this with Anssi,
+because i dislike the usage of mixed-case binaries and wanted to
+add a lower-case symlink (as 2mandvd). But this symlink didn't
+work because the name is hardcoded somewhere else, so i'd have
+to add a shell script instead of a symlink.
+As nobody else complained about this, and it works, i didn't change it.
+WDYT? Remove that line and add a lower-case &quot;2mandvd&quot; ?
+&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.7.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 188139
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Updated to 1.7.3
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+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin skrev 29.12.2011 17:02:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I updated cauldron this morning, I noticed the above file come in.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can someone say exactly what it does and does not address for nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> driver and firmware install issues ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is the standard boot.iso with added firmwares from nonfree so you can
+</I>&gt;<i> install on hw that needs it to work (during install)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Meaning disk controllers, network cards, ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is still WIP, and has only (for now based on hw I can test):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel-firmware-extra
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> iwlwifi-*-ucode
+</I>Nice one ^^
+Thanks for that :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will add more later as I test it more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure about wireless firmware/support as stage1 does not support
+</I>&gt;<i> it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> php-5.4RC3 will hit the mirrors soon. It may beak a few things.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello Thomas, I was just wondering if you'd seen this since you hadn't changed it to ASSIGNED status:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3895</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I was also curious if you are on the IRC.
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+</I>For the record, yes he is as Oro_Valley ;)
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+the Magic SysRq keys, and prints responses for each of them, so there's 
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+    <B>Frank Griffin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> It halts right after &quot;Starting cpufreq OK&quot;, but the system responds to 
+</I>&gt;<i> the Magic SysRq keys, and prints responses for each of them, so 
+</I>&gt;<i> there's some sort of deadly embrace here, possibly in systemd ?
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+</I>Oh, and this isn't happening in cauldron systems updated via urpmi 
+--auto-whatever, just in fresh installs.
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+    <B>Balcaen John</B> 
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 29 d&#233;cembre 2011 23:33:44 Thomas Backlund a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is it useful to keep requires when we have a requires(pre) before ?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires(pre): only ensures it's available during install, not after.
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: makes sure it stays installed.
+</I>Thanks for the info.
+I guess i've got some packages which need to be fixed \o/
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+&gt;<i> Am 29.12.2011 12:52, schrieb Thierry Vignaud:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 27 December 2011 07:46, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Video DVD creation tool, successor to ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2ManDVD is a graphical tool for creating Video DVDs and slideshows, including
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> N.B. Executable name is 2ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Last line has nothing to do in description....
+</I>&gt;<i> As you mentioned it, already discussed this with Anssi,
+</I>&gt;<i> because i dislike the usage of mixed-case binaries and wanted to
+</I>&gt;<i> add a lower-case symlink (as 2mandvd). But this symlink didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> work because the name is hardcoded somewhere else, so i'd have
+</I>&gt;<i> to add a shell script instead of a symlink.
+</I>&gt;<i> As nobody else complained about this, and it works, i didn't change it.
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT? Remove that line and add a lower-case &quot;2mandvd&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.7.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 188139
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Updated to 1.7.3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+you can keep 2ManDVD  but what about :
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+ln -s 2ManDVD %name
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+<PRE>W dniu 29.12.2011 10:25, Maarten Vanraes pisze:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 december 2011 04:13:13 schreef Dan Fandrich:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 11:26:22PM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for it and asks maintainer first...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bump, rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about svn lock?  That would be pretty hard to ignore.
+</I>Ah this is a great feature to implement into mgarepo! It could work as 
+&quot;mgarepo [un]lock [--force] &lt;package&gt; [message?]&quot;
+
+Also an additional website with statistics that says how active are our 
+packagers.. maybe also a list of locked packages :) For now we can check 
+cia.vc, but this isn't always credible - e.g there are doubled 
+user-names in different projects.
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+What do you think?
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+    <B>David Walser</B> 
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 29.12.2011 22:39, David Walser skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it's exactly that.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> the free DVD does not contain anything from nonfree, so radeon fails to 
+</I>&gt;<i> load until the firmware gets installed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So we are trying to solve this issue cleanly.
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing I'm working on is a separate firmware iso to burn (or put 
+</I>&gt;<i> contents on usb stick) to satisfy this need.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The other option for radeon users is to install using livecds.
+</I>
+I want to make sure I understand you correctly, as I'm planning to upgrade a MDV 2010.2 machine with a Radeon HD 4650 to Mageia 1 tomorrow.
+
+The referenced bug makes it sound like the installer works fine, but since it doesn't have access to the nonfree firmware, the initrds it 
+generates in the bootloader installation part doesn't contain them, so booting the installed system is problematic if you don't do 
+radeon.modeset=0.
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+</I>&gt;<i> firefox 6 or later)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:20:36 -0500, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and iirc QA don't check it anymore, as you can see in the updates of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firefox 6 or later)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We do test them when they become available, but won't hold back
+</I>&gt;<i> a security update for firefox, waiting for the extensions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>
+yes would be better to check them as before it allowed us to backport
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:20:36 -0500, Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and iirc QA don't check it anymore, as you can see in the updates of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firefox 6 or later)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We do test them when they become available, but won't hold back
+</I>&gt;<i> a security update for firefox, waiting for the extensions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>AFAIK since fx10 nonbinary extensions are allowed by default if during testing there are no 
+complaints that they don't work with latest version. At least mozilla-esteid is enabled on 
+my tarball fx10. So we'll see when fx10 is released.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 29.12.2011 12:52, schrieb Thierry Vignaud:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 27 December 2011 07:46, Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary     : Video DVD creation tool, successor to ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2ManDVD is a graphical tool for creating Video DVDs and slideshows, including
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> N.B. Executable name is 2ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Last line has nothing to do in description....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you mentioned it, already discussed this with Anssi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because i dislike the usage of mixed-case binaries and wanted to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> add a lower-case symlink (as 2mandvd). But this symlink didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work because the name is hardcoded somewhere else, so i'd have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to add a shell script instead of a symlink.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As nobody else complained about this, and it works, i didn't change it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT? Remove that line and add a lower-case &quot;2mandvd&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 1.7.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 188139
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Updated to 1.7.3
+</I>&gt;<i> you can keep 2ManDVD  but what about :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pushd  %buildroot%_bindir
+</I>&gt;<i> ln -s 2ManDVD %name
+</I>&gt;<i> popd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>See my description above, symlink doesn't work as somehow the name
+of the binary is hardcoded somewhere else, they don't produce the same
+results when run.
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+&gt;<i> Revision 188982 Author matteo Date 2011-12-30 12:43:10 +0100 (Fri, 30 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed desktop file patch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec	2011-12-30 11:42:03 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 188981)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec	2011-12-30 11:43:10 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;<i> 188982)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>  Url:		<A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Group:		Networking/Other
+</I>&gt;<i>  Source:		<A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;<i> -Patch:		%{name}-desktopfile.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i> +Patch:		%{name}-desktop.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;<i>  Summary:	A network discovery and management tool
+</I>&gt;<i>  BuildRequires:	desktop-file-utils
+</I>&gt;<i>  BuildRequires:	gtk2-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+please  unzip patches
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+    <B>Thomas Backlund</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 29.12.2011 22:39, David Walser skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it's exactly that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the free DVD does not contain anything from nonfree, so radeon fails to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> load until the firmware gets installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So we are trying to solve this issue cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing I'm working on is a separate firmware iso to burn (or put
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contents on usb stick) to satisfy this need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The other option for radeon users is to install using livecds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I want to make sure I understand you correctly, as I'm planning to upgrade a MDV 2010.2 machine with a Radeon HD 4650 to Mageia 1 tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The referenced bug makes it sound like the installer works fine, but since it doesn't have access to the nonfree firmware, the initrds it
+</I>&gt;<i> generates in the bootloader installation part doesn't contain them, so booting the installed system is problematic if you don't do
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon.modeset=0.
+</I>
+
+This is correct.
+
+The other option on Mageia 1 is to do a online upgrade, and it will pull 
+the needed firmwares from nonfree during install.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Listening to you in this thread I'm getting worried DrakX itself may not work without access to the firmware.  Did I misread you?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+DrakX/installer will work as it does not rely on hw specific drivers, as 
+it runs in framebuffer mode.
+
+The point of fixing stage2 is that when installer detects hw that needs 
+firmware from nonfree, it should notify the user and ask if he/she wants
+to install it, either from an additional media or from online repos.
+
+The problem with upcoming radeon hw, is that it wont work with 
+radeon.modeset=0 as the only supported mode is KMS.
+
+I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Frank Griffin at 29/12/11 22:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 12/29/2011 05:25 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It halts right after &quot;Starting cpufreq OK&quot;, but the system responds to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Magic SysRq keys, and prints responses for each of them, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there's some sort of deadly embrace here, possibly in systemd ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, and this isn't happening in cauldron systems updated via urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> --auto-whatever, just in fresh installs.
+</I>
+I'll try and take a looksee soon.
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+&gt;<i> 30.12.2011 02:25, David Walser skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 29.12.2011 22:39, David Walser skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now this does not fix the radeon-firmware issue, as this is only to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get installer running on all hw. (I probably will remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> radeon-firmware
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again as it's not needed/used by the installer)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For the radeon-firmware (and other nonfree firmware) issue, we still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to fix stage2 installer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a reference for this issue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471</A> or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it's exactly that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the free DVD does not contain anything from nonfree, so radeon fails to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> load until the firmware gets installed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So we are trying to solve this issue cleanly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> One thing I'm working on is a separate firmware iso to burn (or put
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contents on usb stick) to satisfy this need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The other option for radeon users is to install using livecds.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I want to make sure I understand you correctly, as I'm planning to upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a MDV 2010.2 machine with a Radeon HD 4650 to Mageia 1 tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The referenced bug makes it sound like the installer works fine, but since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't have access to the nonfree firmware, the initrds it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> generates in the bootloader installation part doesn't contain them, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> booting the installed system is problematic if you don't do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> radeon.modeset=0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is correct.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The other option on Mageia 1 is to do a online upgrade, and it will pull the
+</I>&gt;<i> needed firmwares from nonfree during install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Listening to you in this thread I'm getting worried DrakX itself may not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work without access to the firmware. &#160;Did I misread you?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DrakX/installer will work as it does not rely on hw specific drivers, as it
+</I>&gt;<i> runs in framebuffer mode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point of fixing stage2 is that when installer detects hw that needs
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware from nonfree, it should notify the user and ask if he/she wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to install it, either from an additional media or from online repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem with upcoming radeon hw, is that it wont work with
+</I>&gt;<i> radeon.modeset=0 as the only supported mode is KMS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+</I>&gt;<i> not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
+</I>
+And yet another important issue is wifi firmware to enable
+notebook/netbook owners to install from dvd + extra cd/stick.
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/30 Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> DrakX/installer will work as it does not rely on hw specific drivers, as it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> runs in framebuffer mode.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The point of fixing stage2 is that when installer detects hw that needs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware from nonfree, it should notify the user and ask if he/she wants
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to install it, either from an additional media or from online repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem with upcoming radeon hw, is that it wont work with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> radeon.modeset=0 as the only supported mode is KMS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yet another important issue is wifi firmware to enable
+</I>&gt;<i> notebook/netbook owners to install from dvd + extra cd/stick.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep. That is what the &quot;additional media&quot; mentioned above is all about.
+
+I already have one created for test, but it didn't work properly for
+alpha2 so I didn't push it.
+I'll try to make it work for alpha3
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+Since my last notice, all but one of the 5 looking for a mentor have found one. 
+  (Thanks to mentors shlomi, dmorgan, zezinho and fwang)
+
+We have 3 more apprentice candidates, giving a total of 4 looking for a mentor.
+
+am2605 (Andrew Myers), who has been waiting now for a month.
+He is a longtime Fedora, a web developer, interested in packaging related to 
+Gnome, Java, Eclipse among others, teaching himself Mageia packaging basics.
+
+cddesjar (Christopher Desjardins),
+who has basic .deb and .rpm packaging experience, including doing texworks and 
+jags on Mageia for himself.  Would like to maintain these and R-base.
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+dotmil (Josh King),
+who has professional experience with web apps and infrastructure and systems 
+level apps, and would like to work on similar packages for Mageia.  Open to 
+helping where needed.  Previous .deb packaging experience.
+
+luigiwalser (David Walser),
+who was a Mandrake packager (before the current build system), currently 
+working as a Linux instructor and sysadmin, interested in importing some 
+packages to Mageia that he uses.
+
+You can find more details at:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A>
+
+Mentors, let me know who you take on, and I'll update the tables for you.
+
+Thanks :-)
+
+----
+
+Anyone else looking for a mentor, let me know so I can add your name as an 
+apprentice candidate -- or you can do it yourself.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packager_apprentice_candidates</A> 
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+
+See also the previous sections, on becoming a Mageia packager :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager&amp;action=submit#What_is_needed_to_become_a_Mageia_packager</A>
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+To find a mentor, it helps to also post to this list (mageia-dev), or hang out 
+on IRC at freenode #mageia-mentoring.
+
+Regards :-)
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     188979
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     matteo
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-12-30 12:18:23 +0100 (Fri, 30 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> imported package rmanage
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> +Patch:		%{name}-desktopfile.patch.bz2
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since my last notice, all but one of the 5 looking for a mentor have found
+</I>&gt;<i> one.  (Thanks to mentors shlomi, dmorgan, zezinho and fwang)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 3 more apprentice candidates, giving a total of 4 looking for a mentor.
+</I>[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> dotmil (Josh King),
+</I>&gt;<i> who has professional experience with web apps and infrastructure and systems
+</I>&gt;<i> level apps, and would like to work on similar packages for Mageia.  Open to
+</I>&gt;<i> helping where needed.  Previous .deb packaging experience.
+</I>According to <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Mentoring_team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Mentoring_team</A>
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+&gt;<i> Revision 189074 Author spuhler Date 2011-12-30 17:40:59 +0100 (Fri, 30 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
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+</I>&gt;<i> corrected Provides: php-pear-Horde_Util from php-pear-Horde_Url
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+</I>&gt;<i> -Provides:	php-pear-Horde_Url = %{version}
+</I>&gt;<i> +Provides:	php-pear-Horde_Util = %{version}
+</I>&gt;<i>  Obsoletes:	horde-util
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+<PRE>I noticed that a very skilled, good packager built lilypond 2.15.23 that 
+failed when I tried to build it.
+Thanks a lot.
+However, I would have appreciated if I as maintainer would have been informed 
+about it and how it was done. This is currently under development upstreams 
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+&gt;<i> I noticed that a very skilled, good packager built lilypond 2.15.23 that
+</I>&gt;<i> failed when I tried to build it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I would have appreciated if I as maintainer would have been informed
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+</I>&gt;<i> and feedback to them would probably help
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+It was me. Sorry about not informing you about it. All I change was
+guile BR. Hope this will unveil some of my motives:
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/30 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I noticed that a very skilled, good packager built lilypond 2.15.23 that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; failed when I tried to build it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However, I would have appreciated if I as maintainer would have been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; informed about it and how it was done. This is currently under
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development upstreams and feedback to them would probably help
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It was me. Sorry about not informing you about it. All I change was
+</I>&gt;<i> guile BR. Hope this will unveil some of my motives:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.</A>
+</I>
+Wally, strange, I didn't see the bug report. Shouldn't I as maintainer of the 
+package?
+This info would have been valuable, I could have added to the upstream 
+bug/issue report
+-- 
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> &gt; It was me. Sorry about not informing you about it. All I change was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; guile BR. Hope this will unveil some of my motives:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Wally, strange, I didn't see the bug report. Shouldn't I as maintainer
+</I>&gt;<i> of the package?
+</I>Indeed sorry Jani was faster than me, so I don't have check (or anybody
+else) if there was another maintainer
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+&gt;<i> This info would have been valuable, I could have added to the
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+    <B>Jani V&#228;limaa</B> 
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+&gt;<i> On Friday, December 30, 2011 10:39:26 AM Jani V&#228;limaa wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/12/30 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I noticed that a very skilled, good packager built lilypond 2.15.23 that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; failed when I tried to build it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks a lot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; However, I would have appreciated if I as maintainer would have been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; informed about it and how it was done. This is currently under
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; development upstreams and feedback to them would probably help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was me. Sorry about not informing you about it. All I change was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guile BR. Hope this will unveil some of my motives:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3911.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wally, strange, I didn't see the bug report. Shouldn't I as maintainer of the
+</I>&gt;<i> package?
+</I>
+Bugs needs to be assigned to maintainer by bug squad but I was faster. :)
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+I only react as I was playing with (read: rebuilding locally) lilypond
+and other pkgs requiring guile at the time and knew what the problem
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+It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
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+&gt;<i> Hi funda,
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
+</I>&gt;<i> on mpris&gt;= 1.0, there is not such dependency in the distribution and
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know what it is supposed to be given that MPRIS is a generic
+</I>&gt;<i> api
+</I>This is my package (or the package of kicer86) - we are waiting for a 
+new feature in find-lang to implement (&quot;--with-qt&quot;) and then we will 
+rework the Funda's changes. Until then it will not be reedited.
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:13, Pascal Terjan pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi funda,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on mpris&gt;= 1.0, there is not such dependency in the distribution and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what it is supposed to be given that MPRIS is a generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> api
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my package (or the package of kicer86) - we are waiting for a 
+</I>&gt;<i> new feature in find-lang to implement (&quot;--with-qt&quot;) and then we will 
+</I>&gt;<i> rework the Funda's changes. Until then it will not be reedited.
+</I>And this package had to be &quot;svn-locked&quot;...
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+&gt;<i> On 19 December 2011 23:47,&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Port stage2 to use udev.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In order to run dracut in the installer, it is necessary to have a working
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev setup (specifically /dev/block/* nodes, but there may be other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requirements).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As dracut is needed by systemd when /usr is on a separate partition, we need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udev in the installer in order to support systemd generally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile	2011-12-19 21:36:04 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2493)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile	2011-12-19 22:47:15 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   	REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +	mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;  include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
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+--
+Thomas
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: kwooty &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version &#160; &#160; : 0.8.0 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release &#160; &#160; : 2.mga2 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Build Date: Fri Dec 30 08:27:13 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Build Host: ecosse
+</I>&gt;<i> Group &#160; &#160; &#160; : Networking/File transfer &#160; &#160; &#160;Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;: 247809 &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature &#160; : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager &#160; &#160;: Mageia Team &lt;<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; : <A HREF="http://kwooty.sourceforge.net/">http://kwooty.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : A friendly nzb Usenet binary downloader
+</I>
+This package requires unrar from nonfree.
+The possible solutions:
+- Replace the Requires with a Suggests if it can work without unrar
+- Move kwooty to nonfree if it is not usable without unrar
+- Require the free unrar from <A HREF="http://download.gna.org/unrar/">http://download.gna.org/unrar/</A> which I
+think is useless as it can not open recent rar files
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:13, Pascal Terjan pisze:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi funda,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on mpris&gt;= 1.0, there is not such dependency in the distribution and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what it is supposed to be given that MPRIS is a generic
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+</I>&gt;<i> feature in find-lang to implement (&quot;--with-qt&quot;) and then we will rework the
+</I>&gt;<i> Funda's changes. Until then it will not be reedited.
+</I>
+Why? This seems to be an unrelated problem, what prevents fixing it now?
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:21, Kamil Rytarowski pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:13, Pascal Terjan pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi funda,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on mpris&gt;= 1.0, there is not such dependency in the distribution and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what it is supposed to be given that MPRIS is a generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> api
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my package (or the package of kicer86) - we are waiting for a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feature in find-lang to implement (&quot;--with-qt&quot;) and then we will rework the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Funda's changes. Until then it will not be reedited.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this package had to be &quot;svn-locked&quot;...
+</I>
+Why?
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+<PRE>W dniu 30.12.2011 23:13, Pascal Terjan pisze:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 21:24, Kamil Rytarowski&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:21, Kamil Rytarowski pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 30.12.2011 22:13, Pascal Terjan pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi funda,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It seems you added subpackage module-mediaplayer_mpris with a requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on mpris&gt;= 1.0, there is not such dependency in the distribution and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what it is supposed to be given that MPRIS is a generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> api
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is my package (or the package of kicer86) - we are waiting for a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> feature in find-lang to implement (&quot;--with-qt&quot;) and then we will rework the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Funda's changes. Until then it will not be reedited.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And this package had to be &quot;svn-locked&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i> Why?
+</I>Because the spec file is simply *not finished* AND it was hanging on the 
+check.mageia.org (so every packager could take it, make submittable and 
+then we would have to reedit the changes.. - and this already happened).
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+Please take a look: 
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kadu/current/SPECS/kadu.spec?r1=85149&amp;r2=142061">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kadu/current/SPECS/kadu.spec?r1=85149&amp;r2=142061</A> 
+Funda removed a lot of data from the spec - all external modules are 
+dropped.
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+Kadu is a Polish communicator (for the Polish gadu-gadu network) and we 
+need all these modules. Kicer86 also wrote his own modules - like 
+history-import, so we know what we are doing.
+
+We reversed the Funda's changes and then we got stuck on 2 issues:
+1) What to do with modules that support non-existing in Mga packages 
+(like this mpris) - the decision was to remove requirements and include 
+an README.urpmi with an adequate warning.
+2) Replace ton of %lang(xy_AB) macros (kicer86 wasted too many days to 
+add them..) by an adroid Mageia find-lang macro with an parameter 
+--with-qt (that support .qm files)
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+For the point 2 it's already under discussion with my mentor - Oliver 
+(obgr) and I'm waiting for his opinion. Then I'll propose a patch for 
+our rpm-mageia-utils and so on.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 30/12/11 22:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 20.12.2011 13:07, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 December 2011 23:47,&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;  wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Port stage2 to use udev.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In order to run dracut in the installer, it is necessary to have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udev setup (specifically /dev/block/* nodes, but there may be other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requirements).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As dracut is needed by systemd when /usr is on a separate partition,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we need
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udev in the installer in order to support systemd generally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/install2.pm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile    2011-12-19 21:36:04
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2493)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile    2011-12-19 22:47:15
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +    mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;  include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
+</I>
+Crap. I presume it's not this specific hunk that's at fault so much as
+the overall change?
+
+Do you know which bits specifically fail?
+
+Col
+
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+&gt;<i> I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+</I>&gt;<i> not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
+</I>
+Can't we dynamically disable KMS in the radeon kernel module when the
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 30/12/11 22:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20.12.2011 13:07, Thierry Vignaud skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;   include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Crap. I presume it's not this specific hunk that's at fault so much as
+</I>&gt;<i> the overall change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Do you know which bits specifically fail?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, afaik it's exactly the reason Thierry states, meaning
+this should be done in stage1 so it gets done in the real install
+chroot, not in the mounted stage2 dir as it is now.
+
+Then I dont know if the installer should kill the udev daemon and
+unmount the other mounts that this change added at end of install,
+or if we need to teach draklive how to do that.
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm also looking into have the radeon driver refuse to load if it does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not find its firmware, and maybe instead load vesa. But no ETA on that part.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't we dynamically disable KMS in the radeon kernel module when the
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware is not found?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That was one thing we discussed with Anssi about and it could be done,
+but it wont help for new radeon hw that is only supported in kms mode.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile    2011-12-19 22:47:15
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>   get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>       REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +    mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;  include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
+</I>
+The problem seems only to be that /run is not cleanly unmounted at the
+end of install. This could be workarounded in draklive, but better fix
+it in stage2 if possible.
+
+&gt;<i> Crap. I presume it's not this specific hunk that's at fault so much as
+</I>&gt;<i> the overall change?
+</I>
+Why is this needed in install/Makefile at all?
+You already create this dir in install2.pm
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+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;  writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile    2011-12-19 22:47:15
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>    get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +    mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;   include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem seems only to be that /run is not cleanly unmounted at the
+</I>&gt;<i> end of install. This could be workarounded in draklive, but better fix
+</I>&gt;<i> it in stage2 if possible.
+</I>
+
+Are you sure about that?
+/tmp/drakx-in-chroot/tmp/stage2/dev/{,shm/,pts} also stays mounted,
+and for every iso build started, we get a:
+/lib/udev/udevd --daemon --resolve-names=never
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Crap. I presume it's not this specific hunk that's at fault so much as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the overall change?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why is this needed in install/Makefile at all?
+</I>&gt;<i> You already create this dir in install2.pm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Am 30.12.2011 13:55, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since my last notice, all but one of the 5 looking for a mentor have found
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one.  (Thanks to mentors shlomi, dmorgan, zezinho and fwang)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have 3 more apprentice candidates, giving a total of 4 looking for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dotmil (Josh King),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who has professional experience with web apps and infrastructure and systems
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> level apps, and would like to work on similar packages for Mageia.  Open to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> helping where needed.  Previous .deb packaging experience.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> According to <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Mentoring_team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Mentoring_team</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> he is already mentored by guillomovitch, or is that incorrect?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>sorry I overlooked that, from many months back -- he didn't start due to 
+health problems, which are over now
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+Il 30/12/2011 12:43, D.Morgan ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:43 PM,  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 188982 Author matteo Date 2011-12-30 12:43:10 +0100 (Fri, 30 Dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed desktop file patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec	2011-12-30 11:42:03 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 188981)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec	2011-12-30 11:43:10 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 188982)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Url:		<A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Group:		Networking/Other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Source:		<A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Patch:		%{name}-desktopfile.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +Patch:		%{name}-desktop.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  Summary:	A network discovery and management tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  BuildRequires:	desktop-file-utils
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  BuildRequires:	gtk2-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> please  unzip patches
+</I>Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
+Regards,
+- -- 
+Matteo
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 09:51, Matteo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pasotti.matteo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> Il 30/12/2011 12:43, D.Morgan ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:43 PM, &#160;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 188982 Author matteo Date 2011-12-30 12:43:10 +0100 (Fri, 30 Dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fixed desktop file patch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Modified: cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --- cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec &#160; &#160; &#160;2011-12-30 11:42:03 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 188981)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ cauldron/rmanage/current/SPECS/rmanage.spec &#160; &#160; &#160;2011-12-30 11:43:10 UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 188982)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Url: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;<A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Group: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Networking/Other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Source: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <A HREF="http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name">http://rmanage.googlecode.com/files/%{name</A>}-%{version}.tar.gz
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -Patch: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;%{name}-desktopfile.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +Patch: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;%{name}-desktop.patch.bz2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Summary: &#160; &#160;A network discovery and management tool
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;BuildRequires: &#160; &#160; &#160;desktop-file-utils
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;BuildRequires: &#160; &#160; &#160;gtk2-devel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please &#160;unzip patches
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>
+There should not be any warnings for patches
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please &#160;unzip patches
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
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+Il 31/12/2011 11:29, Jani V&#228;limaa ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/31 Matteo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pasotti.matteo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> please  unzip patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>Yeap, my fault (I rebuilt my vm and I missed this package).
+I'm sorry.
+- -- 
+Matteo
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+&gt;<i> juancho &lt;juancho&gt; 0.3-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 189195
+</I>&gt;<i> - Removed {} from mkrel call
+</I>&gt;<i> - Changed spaces for identation for better readability
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+Those two changes deserves to be tagged with &quot;SILENT&quot; IMHO
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+&gt;<i> - Removed Sources 1 and 2 and transformed them into a patch
+</I>&gt;<i> - Changed make for %make macro at %build
+</I>&gt;<i> - Cleaned BuildRoot remaining stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> - Removed defattr
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;+ gejo &lt;gejo&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;- imported package nmapsi4
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+&gt;<i> Description :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yet Another Launcher.FreeSpace 2 portable launcher for launching FS2O
+</I>&gt;<i> (FreeSpaceOpen) with ability to set variables for game and its mods.
+</I>&gt;<i> Use fit fs2o... Also launches Wing Commander: Saga (www.wcsaga.com) game.
+</I>
+uneeded empty line at top of %description (will look ugly in rpmdrake)
+
+&gt;<i> supp &lt;supp&gt; 0.3-1.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 64876
+</I>&gt;<i> - add menu entries and icon
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+&gt;<i> 31.12.2011 02:36, Olivier Blin skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;  writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +++ drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/Makefile    2011-12-19 22:47:15
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> UTC (rev
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2494)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>    get_needed_files: xs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        REP4PMS=$(REP4PMS) ../../tools/install-xml-file-list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> share/list.xml
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $(DEST)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> +    mkdir -p $(DEST)/run
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That won't work. stage2 is mounted by stage1 in /tmp/stage2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so you want to create&amp;   include it in stage1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, and creating livecds are now totally broken due to this :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem seems only to be that /run is not cleanly unmounted at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> end of install. This could be workarounded in draklive, but better fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it in stage2 if possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you sure about that?
+</I>&gt;<i> /tmp/drakx-in-chroot/tmp/stage2/dev/{,shm/,pts} also stays mounted,
+</I>
+You're right, the three of them should be unmounted in DrakX. A fallback
+should also be added in draklive, in case DrakX aborts unexpectedly.
+
+&gt;<i> and for every iso build started, we get a:
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib/udev/udevd --daemon --resolve-names=never
+</I>
+Can't we run it without --daemon so that it stays attached to the DrakX
+process and gets kill when DrakX is killed?
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/12/31 Matteo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pasotti.matteo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> please &#160;unzip patches
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>
+It should probably be suggested by rpmlint, we want Mageia policy
+applied by default.
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+Michael, any objection?
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+    <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B> 
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeap, my fault (I rebuilt my vm and I missed this package).
+</I>
+Is it an idea to have rpmlint-mageia-policy added as a suggested package in rpmlint?
+Then packagers who forget to install it when (re)installing rpmlint will get a small notice that they are missing this pakcage.
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+&gt;<i> Name        : cmake                        Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version     : 2.8.7                             Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1:2.8.7-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 189268
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.8.7
+</I>Did you test eventually if we still need the findboost patch  ?
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+<PRE>Am 31.12.2011 14:26, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 31 December 2011 11:34, Matteo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeap, my fault (I rebuilt my vm and I missed this package).
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it an idea to have rpmlint-mageia-policy added as a suggested package in rpmlint?
+</I>&gt;<i> Then packagers who forget to install it when (re)installing rpmlint will get a small notice that they are missing this pakcage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>IIRC misc is against that, especially in the form of suggests.
+I've proposed a task-mageia-packager package some time ago,
+but somehow forgot later on about it. It's this thread:
+
+[PROPOSAL] (task-)mageia-packager - what should be inside?
+from 27.08.2011 17:58
+
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+rpmlint
+rpmlint-mageia-policy
+bm
+mgarepo
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+    <B>Olivier Blin</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Am 31.12.2011 14:26, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 31 December 2011 11:34, Matteo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeap, my fault (I rebuilt my vm and I missed this package).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it an idea to have rpmlint-mageia-policy added as a suggested package in rpmlint?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then packagers who forget to install it when (re)installing rpmlint will get a small notice that they are missing this pakcage.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC misc is against that, especially in the form of suggests.
+</I>
+Then we could add it as a require in rpmbuild, if misc wants to keep
+our rpmlint package untouched.
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+&gt;<i> I've proposed a task-mageia-packager package some time ago,
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+This sounds like a good idea.
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+&gt;<i> Jani V&#228;limaa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/12/31 Matteo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pasotti.matteo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; please  unzip patches
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ok, I was following the warnings coming from rpmlint.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It should probably be suggested by rpmlint, we want Mageia policy
+</I>&gt;<i> applied by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael, any objection?
+</I>
+I guess it should be removed upstream, since no one use this check
+anymore ( ie, fedora policy is against, mandriva policy is against, our
+is against ). I will check with suse, but I think they also don't
+compress patchs.
+
+So it make sense to silence it directly there, instead of filtering
+everywhere.
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+    <B>Anssi Hannula</B> 
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+&gt;<i> Revision
+</I>&gt;<i>     189299
+</I>&gt;<i> Author
+</I>&gt;<i>     matteo
+</I>&gt;<i> Date
+</I>&gt;<i>     2011-12-31 15:45:16 +0100 (Sat, 31 Dec 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i>       Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</I>&gt;<i> build against openssl
+</I>&gt;<i> restored check section
+</I>
+You need to prepend your message entries with a dash when there are
+multiple entries, otherwise they don't show up correctly in the changelog:
+- entry 1
+- entry 2
+- entry 3
+
+Please use propedit to change the message of this commit.
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+&gt;<i> Revision 189299 Author matteo Date 2011-12-31 15:45:16 +0100 (Sat, 31 Dec
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011)
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+</I>&gt;<i> removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</I>&gt;<i> build against openssl
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+You should use hyphens/minuses in the beginning of each change (line)
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+Il 31/12/2011 15:49, Jani V&#228;limaa ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 2011/12/31  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision 189299 Author matteo Date 2011-12-31 15:45:16 +0100 (Sat, 31 Dec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build against openssl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> restored check section
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> You should use hyphens/minuses in the beginning of each change (line)
+</I>&gt;<i> if the commit msg is longer than one line.
+</I>I'm sorry guys for all of these mistakes, I'll fix them as soon as I can.
+Be patient, pls and Thanks for the help :-)
+- -- 
+Matteo
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+    <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> 
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+<PRE>On Saturday, December 31, 2011 08:35:07 AM Matteo wrote:
+&gt;<i> Il 31/12/2011 15:49, Jani V&#228;limaa ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2011/12/31  &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Revision 189299 Author matteo Date 2011-12-31 15:45:16 +0100 (Sat, 31
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dec 2011)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; build against openssl
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; restored check section
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should use hyphens/minuses in the beginning of each change (line)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if the commit msg is longer than one line.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sorry guys for all of these mistakes, I'll fix them as soon as I can.
+</I>&gt;<i> Be patient, pls and Thanks for the help :-)
+</I>
+Thanks for signing you messages. Did you publish your key?
+-- 
+Best regards
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+    <B>D.Morgan</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 31.12.2011 14:26, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 31 December 2011 11:34, Matteo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install rpmlint-mageia-policy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yeap, my fault (I rebuilt my vm and I missed this package).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it an idea to have rpmlint-mageia-policy added as a suggested package in rpmlint?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then packagers who forget to install it when (re)installing rpmlint will get a small notice that they are missing this pakcage.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIRC misc is against that, especially in the form of suggests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we could add it as a require in rpmbuild, if misc wants to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> our rpmlint package untouched.
+</I>
+i am not against this idea
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary &#160; &#160; : Video DVD creation tool, successor to ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2ManDVD is a graphical tool for creating Video DVDs and slideshows, including
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menus.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> N.B. Executable name is 2ManDVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Last line has nothing to do in description....
+</I>&gt;<i> As you mentioned it, already discussed this with Anssi,
+</I>&gt;<i> because i dislike the usage of mixed-case binaries and wanted to
+</I>&gt;<i> add a lower-case symlink (as 2mandvd).
+</I>
+This has nothing to do with telling the program name in description.
+What's more GUI users will click on a icon whereas CLI users
+can use rpm -ql.
+%description != %files
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Please stop trolling.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I maintain this package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I cannot access mga's BS for a week so I'm asking for someone else to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push/backport the cauldron version into updates_testing along firefox-9
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'am not trolling. I know that you maintain some firefox-ext in cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> and that you are away sometime.
+</I>&gt;<i> I only said that since some months, nobody was checking the extensions
+</I>&gt;<i> in mga *1*.
+</I>&gt;<i> (and iirc QA don't check it anymore, as you can see in the updates of
+</I>&gt;<i> firefox 6 or later)
+</I>
+Then, as firefox tries itself to update extensions to their latest version,
+I see no reason to add an exception for firefox extensions and just
+update them to their latest version from cauldron when pushing a
+firefox update.
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+    <B>Sander Lepik</B> 
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+    <I>Sat Dec 31 17:57:21 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>31.12.2011 18:40, Thierry Vignaud kirjutas:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'am not trolling. I know that you maintain some firefox-ext in cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that you are away sometime.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I only said that since some months, nobody was checking the extensions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in mga *1*.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (and iirc QA don't check it anymore, as you can see in the updates of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firefox 6 or later)
+</I>&gt;<i> Then, as firefox tries itself to update extensions to their latest version,
+</I>&gt;<i> I see no reason to add an exception for firefox extensions and just
+</I>&gt;<i> update them to their latest version from cauldron when pushing a
+</I>&gt;<i> firefox update.
+</I>That should be done by the extension maintainer. If maintainer wants to keep them in Mageia 
+(s)he should also keep them up-to-date.
+
+--
+Sander
+
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+    <B>nicolas vigier</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre">boklm at mars-attacks.org
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+    <I>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> imho the best solution is that everyone checks if there's a maintainer for it 
+</I>&gt;<i> and asks maintainer first...
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i mean, it's all nice that it's in the spec file, but i think people who bump, 
+</I>&gt;<i> rarely look inside spec file... (not saying any names)
+</I>
+So you think people who don't take the time to look at spec file before
+submiting something will want to take the time to ask maintainer ?
+
+It's a good idea to ask maintainer before making important or possibly
+controversial changes, but for simple or obvious changes it's not really
+needed. In that case, if for some reason a package should not be
+submited, it's a good idea to add a comment in the spec file. It's also
+a good idea to check the diff between current and pristine before
+submiting a package.
+
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+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Dec  1 00:28:34 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 818<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010780.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010781.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010092.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010111.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010120.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010141.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010142.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010195.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010200.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010201.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010212.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010214.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010229.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010237.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010239.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010245.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010251.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010254.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010255.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010266.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010268.html">[Mageia-dev] [2312] identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth	not usb
+</A><A NAME="10268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010269.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010270.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010328.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010335.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010338.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010421.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010426.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010464.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010516.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010661.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010666.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010752.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010763.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010765.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010776.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010779.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010797.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010800.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010813.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010821.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010823.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010373.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010477.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010478.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010483.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010586.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010036.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010064.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010273.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010274.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010292.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010349.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010371.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010436.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010727.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010330.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010346.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010347.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010358.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010359.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010361.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010370.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010442.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010451.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010507.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010819.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010822.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010831.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010832.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010837.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010098.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010326.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010463.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010472.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010561.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010652.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010799.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010155.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010125.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010230.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010234.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010264.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010291.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010294.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010384.html">[Mageia-dev] Please don't update qgis
+</A><A NAME="10384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010395.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010396.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010571.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010600.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010601.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010629.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010630.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010662.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010132.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010166.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010172.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010033.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010082.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010109.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010304.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010406.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010562.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010700.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010042.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010050.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010147.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010171.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010296.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010302.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010306.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010389.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010398.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010552.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010602.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010632.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010651.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010788.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010793.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010796.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010844.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010198.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted	repo
+</A><A NAME="10198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010205.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a	non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010622.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010647.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010220.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010233.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010235.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010301.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010399.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010265.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	texlive-20110705-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010390.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010407.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010456.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010457.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010503.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010511.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010741.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010749.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010107.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010402.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010414.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010413.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010429.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010430.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010434.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010469.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010547.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010733.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010755.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010053.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010385.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010055.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010222.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010225.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010677.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010697.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010676.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010127.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shorewall-4.4.23.1-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010139.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010145.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010151.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010242.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010259.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010286.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010293.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010295.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2316] fixed German translation typo
+</A><A NAME="10295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010327.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010345.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010376.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010420.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010422.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010655.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010683.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010691.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010694.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010703.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010710.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010711.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010712.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010715.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010719.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010723.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010725.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010726.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010751.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010753.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010758.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010785.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010786.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010032.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010045.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010046.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010048.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010049.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010060.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010061.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010062.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010063.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010066.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010072.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010088.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010089.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010091.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010093.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010128.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010130.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010131.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010148.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010158.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010163.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010174.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010189.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010204.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010207.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010223.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010224.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010228.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010238.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010260.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010277.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010380.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010381.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010417.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010470.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010471.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010481.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010487.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010494.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010495.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010499.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010500.html">[Mageia-dev] Plymouth spash and kernel command line arguments
+</A><A NAME="10500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010501.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010506.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010509.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010524.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010525.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010529.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010533.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010542.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010543.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010588.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010592.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010612.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010616.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010621.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010634.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010641.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010643.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010658.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010659.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010663.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010665.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010678.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010674.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010685.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: udev in stage1 (installer currently broken)
+</A><A NAME="10685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010728.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010729.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010742.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010743.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010771.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010772.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010773.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010798.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010818.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010058.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010095.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010110.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010114.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010136.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010138.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010209.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010210.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010215.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010218.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010253.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010256.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010267.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010379.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010401.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010475.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010476.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010510.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010518.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010526.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010545.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010569.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010570.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010574.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010633.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010702.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010684.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010675.html">[Mageia-dev] [ATT] broken initramfs generation
+</A><A NAME="10675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010750.html">[Mageia-dev] [158082] upgraded to version 1.13.4 (wget)
+</A><A NAME="10750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010802.html">[Mageia-dev] [188979] imported package rmanage
+</A><A NAME="10802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010840.html">[Mageia-dev] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010322.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010324.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010352.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010455.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010759.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010808.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010126.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010290.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010305.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010343.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010391.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010587.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010606.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010607.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010617.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010618.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010620.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010660.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010669.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010699.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 2111] transcode, A linux video stream processing utility
+</A><A NAME="10699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010791.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010404.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010409.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010412.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME for Mageia &amp; lang.pm modifications
+</A><A NAME="10412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010619.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010160.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010227.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010364.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010365.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010488.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010560.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010657.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010718.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010724.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010783.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010784.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010803.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010836.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010078.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010080.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010094.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010096.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010112.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010115.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010135.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010386.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010679.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010553.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colette Jean-Claude
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010075.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010104.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010247.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010272.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010575.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010625.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010627.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010707.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010708.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010709.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010713.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010717.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010720.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010721.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010777.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010787.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010835.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	cmake-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010479.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010671.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010695.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010611.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010614.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010037.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010052.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010065.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010083.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010090.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010636.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-i18n] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010084.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010258.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010323.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010465.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010584.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010656.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-linus-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010794.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010640.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010216.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010523.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010540.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010541.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010303.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010387.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010423.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010424.html">[Mageia-dev] OCaml packaging team
+</A><A NAME="10424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010613.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010356.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010825.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010828.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010842.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010031.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010496.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010497.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010637.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010638.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010410.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrew Myers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010113.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010149.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010150.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010153.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010287.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010350.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010043.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010249.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010175.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010194.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010468.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010405.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010585.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010140.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010191.html">[Mageia-dev] Syndaemon testing required x86_64 MGA1
+</A><A NAME="10191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010411.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010415.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010427.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010473.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010714.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010121.html">[Mageia-dev] podsleuth and ipod-sharp
+</A><A NAME="10121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010122.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010281.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010285.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010311.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010315.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010318.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010329.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010332.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010348.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010382.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010474.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010491.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia - php and perl packages
+</A><A NAME="10491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010498.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010508.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010705.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010760.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010789.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010811.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010812.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010817.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010241.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010250.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="10250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010307.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010308.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010310.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010439.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010441.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010446.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010839.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file patch
+</A><A NAME="10839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010123.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010099.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010372.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010521.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010535.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010573.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010583.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010648.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010654.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010834.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010838.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010116.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010119.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010146.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010157.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010159.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010217.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010577.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010578.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010615.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010646.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010693.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010682.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010692.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-Private] Consolidation of the spelling	tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010770.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010805.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010807.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010843.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010059.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010137.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010484.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010047.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010051.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010086.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010087.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010418.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010440.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010810.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010814.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kwooty-0.8.0-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010815.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010816.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010826.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010038.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010039.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010040.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010069.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010070.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010071.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010073.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010079.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010081.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010101.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010103.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010106.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010108.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010165.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010178.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010182.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010192.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010203.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010211.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010213.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010219.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010248.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010252.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010257.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010261.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010263.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010271.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010288.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010289.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010313.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010314.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010316.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010319.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010362.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010363.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010367.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010388.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010444.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010448.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010489.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010512.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010532.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010546.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010551.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010554.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010563.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010565.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010567.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010579.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010594.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010595.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010598.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010599.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010608.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010609.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010610.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010628.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010642.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010664.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010731.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010734.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010735.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010736.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010747.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010754.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010778.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010792.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010190.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010221.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010275.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010276.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010278.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010282.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010283.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010284.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010309.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010394.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010397.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010161.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.297-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010162.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	lighttpd-1.4.28-6.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010164.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-imap-4.9.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2284] ERR_CUSTOM file does not exist anymore, fix bug #1353
+</A><A NAME="10179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010181.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010184.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2285] 0.97.2 - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection ( #1353)
+</A><A NAME="10184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010187.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010193.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010208.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2290] SILENT : corrected NEWS file
+</A><A NAME="10208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010226.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010240.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2301] 1.52:
+</A><A NAME="10240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010244.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010262.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010321.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010333.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010334.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010336.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010342.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010351.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010353.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2366] add usb3 host controller	driver
+</A><A NAME="10353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010354.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010357.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010366.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2376] fix medium variant test,	check spent time testing
+</A><A NAME="10366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010375.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2386] fix version
+</A><A NAME="10375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010393.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2401] reorganize mounted images	tests and summary output
+</A><A NAME="10393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010419.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010466.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010467.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010480.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010486.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010517.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010522.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010527.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bash-completion-1.90-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010528.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010530.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010531.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010603.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010604.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010639.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010686.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tftp-5.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010667.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010670.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010681.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010698.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010704.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010673.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2501] add missing news
+</A><A NAME="10673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010706.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-images-1.58-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010732.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tomcat-7.0.23-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010737.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnome-activity-journal-0.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010739.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010740.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010748.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010757.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010762.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010829.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nmapsi4-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010830.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	yal-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010845.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010041.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010057.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010076.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available
+</A><A NAME="10076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010687.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010833.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010056.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010124.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010156.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [176052] - Restore userdel in postun (needed for build to succeed)
+</A><A NAME="10156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010804.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189074] corrected Provides: php-pear-Horde_Util from php-pear-Horde_Url
+</A><A NAME="10804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010806.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010809.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010827.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010841.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010368.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigned correctly?
+</A><A NAME="10368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010623.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010767.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010768.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010769.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010775.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010790.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010035.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010044.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010054.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010085.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010118.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010133.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010167.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010169.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010231.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010280.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010297.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010369.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010383.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010564.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010568.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010572.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010688.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010716.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010746.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010317.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010325.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010408.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010482.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010485.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010243.html">[Mageia-dev]  looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010034.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010339.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010341.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010392.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010458.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010459.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010460.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010514.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010624.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010653.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010744.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010774.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010801.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010824.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010340.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010344.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010534.html">[Mageia-dev] isocheck, quick basic checks for built ISOs
+</A><A NAME="10534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010067.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="10067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010097.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010134.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010168.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010176.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010196.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010400.html">[Mageia-dev]  pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010433.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010437.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010493.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010502.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010505.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010279.html">[Mageia-dev] For information Mandriva Python packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="10279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010425.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010197.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="10197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010199.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010416.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010449.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010453.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010848.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010068.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010105.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010143.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010173.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010183.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010206.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010246.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin please
+</A><A NAME="10246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010337.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010461.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010462.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+      <h1>December 2011 Archives by date</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+	        <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+		<a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Dec  1 00:28:34 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 818<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010031.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010032.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010033.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010034.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010035.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010036.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010037.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010038.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010039.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010040.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010041.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010042.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010043.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010044.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010045.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010046.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010047.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010048.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010049.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010050.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010051.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010053.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010052.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010054.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010055.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010056.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010057.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010058.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010059.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010060.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010061.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010062.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010063.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010064.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010065.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010066.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010067.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="10067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010068.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010069.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010070.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010071.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010072.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010073.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010075.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010076.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available
+</A><A NAME="10076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010078.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010079.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010080.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010081.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010082.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010083.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010084.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010085.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010086.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010087.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010088.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010089.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010090.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010091.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010092.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010093.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010094.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010095.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010096.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010097.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010098.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010099.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010101.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010103.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010104.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010105.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010106.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010107.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010108.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010109.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010110.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010111.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010112.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010113.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010114.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010115.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010116.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010118.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010119.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010120.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010121.html">[Mageia-dev] podsleuth and ipod-sharp
+</A><A NAME="10121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010122.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010123.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010124.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010125.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010126.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010127.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shorewall-4.4.23.1-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010128.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010130.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010131.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010132.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010133.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010134.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010135.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010136.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010137.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010138.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010139.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010140.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010141.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010142.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010143.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010145.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010146.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010147.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010148.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010149.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010150.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010151.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010153.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010155.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010156.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [176052] - Restore userdel in postun (needed for build to succeed)
+</A><A NAME="10156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010157.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010158.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010159.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010160.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010161.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.297-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010162.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	lighttpd-1.4.28-6.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010163.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010164.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-imap-4.9.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010165.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010166.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010167.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010168.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010169.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010171.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010172.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010173.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010174.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010175.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010176.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010178.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2284] ERR_CUSTOM file does not exist anymore, fix bug #1353
+</A><A NAME="10179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010181.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010182.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010184.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2285] 0.97.2 - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection ( #1353)
+</A><A NAME="10184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010183.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010187.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010189.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010190.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010191.html">[Mageia-dev] Syndaemon testing required x86_64 MGA1
+</A><A NAME="10191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010192.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010193.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010194.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010195.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010196.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010197.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="10197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010198.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted	repo
+</A><A NAME="10198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010199.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010200.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010201.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010203.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010204.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010205.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a	non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010206.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010207.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010208.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2290] SILENT : corrected NEWS file
+</A><A NAME="10208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010209.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010210.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010211.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010212.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010213.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010214.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010215.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010216.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010217.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010218.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010219.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010220.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010221.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010222.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010223.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010224.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010225.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010226.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010227.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010228.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010229.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010230.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010231.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010233.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010234.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010235.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010237.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010238.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010239.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010240.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2301] 1.52:
+</A><A NAME="10240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010241.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010242.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010243.html">[Mageia-dev]  looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010244.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010245.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010246.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin please
+</A><A NAME="10246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010247.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010248.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010249.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010250.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="10250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010251.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010252.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010253.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010254.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010255.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010256.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010257.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010258.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010259.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010260.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010261.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010262.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010263.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010264.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010265.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010266.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010267.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010268.html">[Mageia-dev] [2312] identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth	not usb
+</A><A NAME="10268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010269.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010270.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010271.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010272.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010273.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010274.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010275.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010276.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010277.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010278.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010279.html">[Mageia-dev] For information Mandriva Python packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="10279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010280.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010281.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010282.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010283.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010284.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010285.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010286.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010287.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010288.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010289.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010290.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010291.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010292.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010293.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010294.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010295.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2316] fixed German translation typo
+</A><A NAME="10295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010296.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010297.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010301.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010302.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010303.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010304.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010305.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010306.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010307.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010308.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010309.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010310.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010311.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010313.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010314.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010315.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010316.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010317.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010318.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010319.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010321.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010322.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010323.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010324.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010325.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010326.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010327.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010328.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010329.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010330.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010332.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010333.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010334.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010335.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010336.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010337.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010338.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010339.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010340.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010341.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010342.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010343.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010344.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010345.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010346.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010347.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010348.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010349.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010350.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010351.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010352.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010353.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2366] add usb3 host controller	driver
+</A><A NAME="10353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010354.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010356.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010357.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010358.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010359.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010361.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010362.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010363.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010364.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010365.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010366.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2376] fix medium variant test,	check spent time testing
+</A><A NAME="10366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010367.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010368.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigned correctly?
+</A><A NAME="10368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010369.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010370.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010371.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010372.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010373.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	texlive-20110705-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010375.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2386] fix version
+</A><A NAME="10375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010376.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010379.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010380.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010381.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010382.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010383.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010384.html">[Mageia-dev] Please don't update qgis
+</A><A NAME="10384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010385.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010386.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010387.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010388.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010389.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010390.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010391.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010392.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010393.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2401] reorganize mounted images	tests and summary output
+</A><A NAME="10393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010394.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010395.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010396.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010397.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010398.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010399.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010400.html">[Mageia-dev]  pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010402.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010401.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010404.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010405.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010406.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010407.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010408.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010409.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010410.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010411.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010412.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME for Mageia &amp; lang.pm modifications
+</A><A NAME="10412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010414.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010413.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010415.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010416.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010417.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010418.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010419.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010420.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010421.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010422.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010423.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010424.html">[Mageia-dev] OCaml packaging team
+</A><A NAME="10424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010425.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010426.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010427.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010429.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010430.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010433.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010434.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010436.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010437.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010439.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010440.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010441.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010442.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010444.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010446.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010448.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010449.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010451.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrew Myers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010453.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010455.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010456.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010457.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010458.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010459.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010460.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010461.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010462.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010463.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010464.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010465.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010466.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010467.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010468.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010469.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010470.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010471.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010472.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010473.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010474.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010475.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010476.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010477.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010478.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010479.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010480.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010481.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010482.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010483.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010484.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010485.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010486.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010487.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010488.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010489.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010491.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia - php and perl packages
+</A><A NAME="10491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010493.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010494.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010495.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010496.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010497.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010498.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010499.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010500.html">[Mageia-dev] Plymouth spash and kernel command line arguments
+</A><A NAME="10500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010501.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010502.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010503.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010505.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010506.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010507.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010508.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010509.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010510.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010511.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010512.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010514.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010516.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010517.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010518.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010521.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010522.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010523.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010524.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010525.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010526.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010527.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bash-completion-1.90-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010528.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010529.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010530.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010531.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010532.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010533.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010534.html">[Mageia-dev] isocheck, quick basic checks for built ISOs
+</A><A NAME="10534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010535.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010540.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010541.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010542.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010543.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010545.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010546.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010547.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010551.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010552.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010554.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010553.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colette Jean-Claude
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010560.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010562.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010561.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010563.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010564.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010565.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010567.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010568.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010569.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010570.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010571.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010572.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010573.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010574.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010575.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010577.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010578.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010579.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010583.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010584.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010585.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010586.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010587.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010588.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010592.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010594.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010595.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010598.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010599.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010600.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010601.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010602.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010603.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010604.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010606.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010607.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010608.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010609.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010610.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010611.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010612.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010613.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010614.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010615.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010616.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010617.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010618.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010619.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010620.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010621.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010622.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010623.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010624.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010625.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010627.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010628.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010629.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010630.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010632.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010633.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010634.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010636.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-i18n] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010637.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010638.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010639.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010640.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010641.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010642.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010643.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010646.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010647.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010648.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010651.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010652.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010653.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010654.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010655.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010656.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010657.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010658.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010659.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010660.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010661.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010662.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010663.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010664.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010666.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010665.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010693.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010702.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010684.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010675.html">[Mageia-dev] [ATT] broken initramfs generation
+</A><A NAME="10675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010686.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010678.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010674.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010685.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: udev in stage1 (installer currently broken)
+</A><A NAME="10685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010682.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tftp-5.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010669.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010705.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010700.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010667.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010670.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010681.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010698.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010683.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010704.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010677.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010692.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-Private] Consolidation of the spelling	tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010691.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010688.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010671.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010695.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010697.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010694.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010687.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-linus-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010699.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 2111] transcode, A linux video stream processing utility
+</A><A NAME="10699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010673.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2501] add missing news
+</A><A NAME="10673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010706.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-images-1.58-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010679.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010703.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010676.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010707.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010708.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010709.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010710.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010711.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010712.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010713.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010714.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010715.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010716.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010717.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010718.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010719.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010720.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010721.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010723.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010724.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010725.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010726.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010727.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010728.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010729.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010731.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010732.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tomcat-7.0.23-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010733.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010734.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010735.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010736.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010737.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnome-activity-journal-0.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010739.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010740.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010741.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010742.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010743.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010744.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010746.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010747.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010748.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010749.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010750.html">[Mageia-dev] [158082] upgraded to version 1.13.4 (wget)
+</A><A NAME="10750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010751.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010752.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010753.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010754.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010755.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010757.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010758.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010759.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010760.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010762.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010763.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010765.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010767.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010768.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010769.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010770.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010771.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010772.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010773.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010774.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010775.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010776.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010777.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010778.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010779.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010780.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010781.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010783.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010784.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010785.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010786.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010787.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010788.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010789.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010790.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010791.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010792.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010793.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010794.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010796.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010797.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010798.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010799.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010800.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010801.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010802.html">[Mageia-dev] [188979] imported package rmanage
+</A><A NAME="10802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010803.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010804.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189074] corrected Provides: php-pear-Horde_Util from php-pear-Horde_Url
+</A><A NAME="10804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010805.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010806.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010807.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010808.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010809.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010810.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010811.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010812.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010813.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010814.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kwooty-0.8.0-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010815.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010816.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010817.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010818.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010819.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010821.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010822.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010823.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010824.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010825.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010826.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010827.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010828.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010829.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nmapsi4-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010830.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	yal-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010831.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010832.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010833.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010834.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010835.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	cmake-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010836.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010837.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010838.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010839.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file patch
+</A><A NAME="10839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010841.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010840.html">[Mageia-dev] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010842.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010843.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010844.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010845.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010848.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
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+      <h1>December 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+                    </a></b></li>
+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Dec  1 00:28:34 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 818<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010750.html">[Mageia-dev] [158082] upgraded to version 1.13.4 (wget)
+</A><A NAME="10750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010210.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010211.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010802.html">[Mageia-dev] [188979] imported package rmanage
+</A><A NAME="10802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010840.html">[Mageia-dev] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010245.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010306.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010321.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010268.html">[Mageia-dev] [2312] identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth	not usb
+</A><A NAME="10268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010675.html">[Mageia-dev] [ATT] broken initramfs generation
+</A><A NAME="10675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010699.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 2111] transcode, A linux video stream processing utility
+</A><A NAME="10699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010812.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010746.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010748.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010757.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010762.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010765.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010793.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010794.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010162.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	lighttpd-1.4.28-6.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010759.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010791.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010811.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010817.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010788.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010845.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010527.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bash-completion-1.90-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010835.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	cmake-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010124.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010164.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-imap-4.9.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010706.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-images-1.58-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010151.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010737.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnome-activity-journal-0.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010376.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010810.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010815.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010816.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010436.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010444.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010488.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010489.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010625.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-linus-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010814.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kwooty-0.8.0-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010161.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.297-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010097.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010099.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010545.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010546.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010829.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nmapsi4-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010627.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010639.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010704.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010716.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010708.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010178.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010182.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010190.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010192.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010195.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010203.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010230.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010301.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	texlive-20110705-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tftp-5.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010732.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tomcat-7.0.23-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010830.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	yal-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010441.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010127.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shorewall-4.4.23.1-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010552.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010585.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010259.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010262.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010636.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-i18n] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010692.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-Private] Consolidation of the spelling	tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010156.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [176052] - Restore userdel in postun (needed for build to succeed)
+</A><A NAME="10156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010777.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010787.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010779.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010796.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010825.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010826.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010827.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010828.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010832.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010839.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file patch
+</A><A NAME="10839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010804.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189074] corrected Provides: php-pear-Horde_Util from php-pear-Horde_Url
+</A><A NAME="10804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010841.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010843.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010842.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010173.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010174.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010193.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010218.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2284] ERR_CUSTOM file does not exist anymore, fix bug #1353
+</A><A NAME="10179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010184.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2285] 0.97.2 - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection ( #1353)
+</A><A NAME="10184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010181.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010183.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010187.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010206.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010189.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010208.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2290] SILENT : corrected NEWS file
+</A><A NAME="10208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010240.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2301] 1.52:
+</A><A NAME="10240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010295.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2316] fixed German translation typo
+</A><A NAME="10295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010333.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010340.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010342.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010344.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010351.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010334.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010335.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010336.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010338.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010347.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010353.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2366] add usb3 host controller	driver
+</A><A NAME="10353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010358.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010370.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010354.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010369.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010373.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010366.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2376] fix medium variant test,	check spent time testing
+</A><A NAME="10366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010375.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2386] fix version
+</A><A NAME="10375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010393.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2401] reorganize mounted images	tests and summary output
+</A><A NAME="10393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010686.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010678.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010667.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010670.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010681.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010698.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010813.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010818.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010822.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010823.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010831.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010673.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2501] add missing news
+</A><A NAME="10673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010600.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010615.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010629.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010646.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010693.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010714.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010041.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010197.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="10197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010499.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010507.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010509.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010517.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010518.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010521.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010525.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010528.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010200.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010214.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010216.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010220.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010229.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010231.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010233.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010234.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010235.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010533.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010535.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010560.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010562.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010561.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010563.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010577.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010583.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010584.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010623.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010633.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010642.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010643.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010648.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010652.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010654.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010655.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010656.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010657.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010664.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010700.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010711.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010726.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010728.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010237.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010238.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010239.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010241.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010242.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010368.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigned correctly?
+</A><A NAME="10368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010785.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010786.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010798.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010751.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010752.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010753.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010769.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010775.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010776.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010783.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010790.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010797.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010799.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010800.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010819.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010821.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010311.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010313.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010315.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010316.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010318.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010319.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010322.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010341.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010362.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010364.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010379.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010085.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010086.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010087.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010601.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010624.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010630.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010640.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010647.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010662.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010694.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010709.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010712.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010713.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010715.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010717.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010719.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010720.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010721.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010723.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010725.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010768.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010474.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010479.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010496.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010497.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010498.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010503.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010508.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010511.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010514.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010491.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia - php and perl packages
+</A><A NAME="10491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010297.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010302.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010096.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010098.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010104.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010112.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010137.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010741.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010742.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010744.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010749.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010772.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010773.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010661.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010663.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010666.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010702.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010684.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010674.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010138.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010139.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010140.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010141.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010142.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010145.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010044.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010057.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010279.html">[Mageia-dev] For information Mandriva Python packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="10279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010691.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010710.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010076.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available
+</A><A NAME="10076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010683.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010718.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010132.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010133.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010134.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010408.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010409.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010412.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME for Mageia &amp; lang.pm modifications
+</A><A NAME="10412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010402.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010405.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010410.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010414.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010413.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010415.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010416.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010418.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010419.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010429.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010430.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010439.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010440.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010449.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010451.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010469.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010473.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010286.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010291.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010293.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010294.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010687.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010724.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010729.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010265.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010270.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010273.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010277.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010361.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010381.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010442.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010471.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010703.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010739.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010758.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010763.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010534.html">[Mageia-dev] isocheck, quick basic checks for built ISOs
+</A><A NAME="10534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010523.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010524.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010526.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010529.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010540.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010541.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010542.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010543.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010547.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010587.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010588.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010592.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010607.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010617.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010621.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010660.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010665.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010669.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010166.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010167.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010168.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010169.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010171.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010201.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010247.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010272.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010477.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010478.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010480.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010482.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010483.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010484.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010485.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010586.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010735.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010736.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010743.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010747.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010754.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010771.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010774.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010778.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010780.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010792.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010034.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010243.html">[Mageia-dev]  looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010276.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010389.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010554.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010564.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010565.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010568.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010570.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010571.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010572.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010574.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010575.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010579.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010594.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010595.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010606.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010608.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010609.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010610.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010618.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010620.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010628.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010512.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010516.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010532.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010551.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010248.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010249.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010252.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010254.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010257.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010258.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010260.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010261.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010263.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010264.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010266.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010271.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010392.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010397.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010398.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010404.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010406.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010423.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010425.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrew Myers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010458.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010459.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010460.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010461.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010619.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010622.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010653.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010801.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010803.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010824.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010420.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010421.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010422.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010467.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010530.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010531.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010329.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010330.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010332.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010348.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010352.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010223.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010228.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010222.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010225.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010146.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010148.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010153.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010155.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010157.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010158.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010159.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010163.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010250.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="10250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010407.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010417.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010437.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010456.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010470.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010493.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010501.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010502.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010505.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010506.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010424.html">[Mageia-dev] OCaml packaging team
+</A><A NAME="10424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010382.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010383.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010067.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="10067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010278.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010280.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010281.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010282.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010283.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010284.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010285.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010287.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010288.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010289.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010303.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010307.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010309.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010337.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010339.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010380.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010446.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010448.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010453.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010455.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010462.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010465.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010688.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010740.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010705.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010731.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010733.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010734.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010755.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010760.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010781.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010789.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010848.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010682.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010767.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010770.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010784.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010205.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a	non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010198.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted	repo
+</A><A NAME="10198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010199.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010123.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010125.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010160.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010400.html">[Mageia-dev]  pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010411.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010433.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010434.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010553.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colette Jean-Claude
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010384.html">[Mageia-dev] Please don't update qgis
+</A><A NAME="10384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010500.html">[Mageia-dev] Plymouth spash and kernel command line arguments
+</A><A NAME="10500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010121.html">[Mageia-dev] podsleuth and ipod-sharp
+</A><A NAME="10121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010122.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010147.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010390.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010391.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010427.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010457.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010677.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010697.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010676.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010659.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010671.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010172.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010175.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010176.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010194.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010196.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010805.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010806.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010807.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010808.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010809.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010833.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010033.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010082.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010088.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010109.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010039.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010071.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010103.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010105.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010106.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010108.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010165.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010031.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010032.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010043.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010084.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010107.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010040.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010042.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010045.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010069.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010070.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010072.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010073.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010075.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010078.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010079.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010080.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010081.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010094.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010101.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010115.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010135.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010035.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010038.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010091.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010092.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010095.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010110.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010111.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010113.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010114.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010120.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010126.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010128.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010130.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010136.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010143.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010149.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010150.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010204.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010207.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010244.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010401.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010426.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010475.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010476.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010481.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010486.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010487.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010510.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010522.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010036.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010054.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010064.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010068.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010274.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010275.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010292.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010346.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010349.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010359.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010371.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010372.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010212.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010213.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010215.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010219.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010221.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010251.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010253.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010255.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010256.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010267.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010269.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010308.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010310.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010314.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010328.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010350.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010363.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010365.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010367.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010685.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: udev in stage1 (installer currently broken)
+</A><A NAME="10685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010567.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010569.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010573.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010578.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010598.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010599.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010695.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010494.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010495.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010046.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010047.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010049.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010050.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010051.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010053.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010056.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010060.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010061.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010834.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010836.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010837.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010838.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010844.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010463.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010464.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010472.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010055.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010062.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010466.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010468.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010209.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010227.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010191.html">[Mageia-dev] Syndaemon testing required x86_64 MGA1
+</A><A NAME="10191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010246.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin please
+</A><A NAME="10246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010611.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010613.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010614.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010037.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010048.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010052.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010063.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010065.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010066.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010083.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010089.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010090.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010093.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010131.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010217.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010224.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010226.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010290.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010296.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010679.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010707.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010727.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010602.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010603.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010604.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010612.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010616.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010632.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010634.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010637.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010638.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010641.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010651.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010658.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010304.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010305.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010385.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010386.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010387.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010388.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010394.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010396.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010395.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010399.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010317.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010323.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010324.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010325.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010326.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010327.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010343.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010345.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010356.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010357.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010058.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010059.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010116.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010118.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="010119.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
+    <p>
+      <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> 
+       <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+    <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i>
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+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+      <h1>December 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+      <ul>
+         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+		<a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+		<a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+		<a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+	     <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+      </ul>
+      <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Dec  1 00:28:34 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Dec 31 18:42:22 CET 2011</i><br>
+         <b>Messages:</b> 818<p>
+     <ul>
+
+<!--0 01322695714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010031.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322695714-01322699903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010032.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322695714-01322724851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010039.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010043.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010071.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010084.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010103.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584-01322846653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010105.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584-01322846653-01322848869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010106.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584-01322846653-01322848869-01322853550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010107.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584-01322846653-01322848869-01322853550-01322855289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010108.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322695714-01322724851-01322728949-01322770224-01322811425-01322843584-01322846653-01322848869-01322853550-01322855289-01323049346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010165.html">[Mageia-dev] replace mysql by mariadb ? (was HEADSUP: mariadb	available for testing)
+</A><A NAME="10165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322700569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010033.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322710549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010034.html">[Mageia-dev] List of un-maintained packages
+</A><A NAME="10034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322717295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010035.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322717295-01322724601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010038.html">[Mageia-dev] request for volunteer: noting important cauldron	changes
+</A><A NAME="10038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322718356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010036.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322718356-01322760126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010068.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322718356-01322760126-01323320579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010274.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322718356-01322760126-01323320579-01323330556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010275.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718356-01322760126-01323320579-01323330556-01323376130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010292.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322718807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010037.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322718807-01322735105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010048.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010052.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010063.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010065.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010066.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010083.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010089.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01322825094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010090.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01322825094-01322828103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010093.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01322825094-01322828103-01322911845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010131.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01322825094-01322828103-01323144207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010217.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01322825094-01322828103-01323144207-01323166085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010224.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322718807-01322735105-01322738100-01322746750-01322751843-01322753074-01322805963-01322822672-01323170096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010226.html">[Mageia-dev] Unable to boot into kernel-3.1.3
+</A><A NAME="10226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322726700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010040.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322726700-01322728933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010042.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322726700-01322728933-01322769625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010070.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322726700-01322728933-01322769625-01322774411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010075.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322726700-01322731934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010045.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010069.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010072.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010073.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010078.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010079.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010080.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208-01322785201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010081.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208-01322785201-01322833240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010094.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208-01322785201-01322833240-01322843236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010101.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208-01322785201-01322833240-01322843236-01322868362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010115.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322726700-01322731934-01322769189-01322770377-01322770964-01322779116-01322779637-01322781208-01322785201-01322833240-01322843236-01322868362-01322922665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010135.html">[Mageia-dev] Replacing mysql with mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322727861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010041.html">[Mageia-dev] Additional spec check: libvirt-glib
+</A><A NAME="10041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322731670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010044.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322731670-01322742856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010057.html">[Mageia-dev] Excluding doc files from autoreq, is it possible?
+</A><A NAME="10057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322733488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010046.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322733488-01322734751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010047.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322733488-01322734751-01322735303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010049.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322733488-01322734751-01322735303-01322735512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010050.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322733488-01322734751-01322735303-01322736104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010051.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322733488-01322734751-01322735303-01322736104-01322745947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010061.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01322733488-01322734751-01322737559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010053.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322733488-01322734751-01322737559-01322742686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010056.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322733488-01322734751-01322737559-01322742686-01322745843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010060.html">[Mageia-dev] rpm macro help! %apply_patches
+</A><A NAME="10060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322739790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010054.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322739790-01322747896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010064.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322740747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010055.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322740747-01322746130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010062.html">[Mageia-dev] Starting DM service - fails during boot
+</A><A NAME="10062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322745037- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010058.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322745037-01322745300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010059.html">[Mageia-dev] xserver 1.11
+</A><A NAME="10059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322757387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010067.html">[Mageia-dev] oxygen-gtk needed by gtk+2.0?
+</A><A NAME="10067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322771205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010074.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322771205-01322778784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010077.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-boxes-3.3.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322778471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010076.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: extensions.gnome.org - Public Alpha Now Available
+</A><A NAME="10076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322793141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010082.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322793141-01322821178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010088.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322793141-01322821178-01322860270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010109.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing obsolete packages
+</A><A NAME="10109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322811585- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010085.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322811585-01322814099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010086.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322811585-01322814099-01322814233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010087.html">[Mageia-dev] Buildsystem stalled?
+</A><A NAME="10087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322825284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010091.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322825284-01322827575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010092.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322825284-01322834254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010095.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010110.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010111.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010114.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010120.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322904083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010126.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322904083-01322906166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010128.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322904083-01323110199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010204.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322923177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010136.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322923177-01323823620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010401.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322892331-01322923177-01323823620-01323875950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010426.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322938472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010143.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322938472-01323252064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010244.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322864325-01322867191-01322938472-01323252064-01323953774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010475.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322911798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010130.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322911798-01322995299- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010149.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01322911798-01322995299-01322996942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010150.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010207.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010476.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443-01323959601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010481.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443-01323959601-01323965778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010486.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443-01323959601-01323965778-01323966986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010487.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443-01323959601-01323965778-01323966986-01323997628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010510.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322825284-01322834254-01322860625-01323117437-01323954443-01323959601-01323965778-01323966986-01323997628-01324032914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010522.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322825284-01322866862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010113.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Drop mkinitrd completely in favour of dracut.
+</A><A NAME="10113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322837805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010096.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322837805-01322840635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010098.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322837805-01322844080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010104.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322837805-01322844080-01322865750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010112.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322837805-01322844080-01322865750-01322923951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010137.html">[Mageia-dev] Dolphin toolbar default settings in mga2 alpha
+</A><A NAME="10137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322840094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010097.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322840094-01322840757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010099.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322840094-01322840757-01322841266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010100.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322840094-01322840757-01322841270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010102.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mercurial-2.0.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lev Givon
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322874426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010116.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322874426-01322878743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010118.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322874426-01322878743-01322888095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010119.html">[Mageia-dev] zarafa dep issue
+</A><A NAME="10119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322876039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010117.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322876039-01322901447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010124.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322876039-01322901447-01322907698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010129.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322876039-01322901447-01322907698-01322947523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010144.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	courier-authlib-0.63.0-9.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322895892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010121.html">[Mageia-dev] podsleuth and ipod-sharp
+</A><A NAME="10121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322895965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010122.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322895965-01322900665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010123.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322895965-01322900665-01322903013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010125.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322895965-01322900665-01322903013-01323022687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010160.html">[Mageia-dev] Pino
+</A><A NAME="10160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322895965-01322962331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010147.html">[Mageia-dev] Preparing Alpha 1 isos of Mageia2
+</A><A NAME="10147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322905029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010127.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shorewall-4.4.23.1-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322915969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010132.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322915969-01322917535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010133.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322915969-01322917535-01322917594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010134.html">[Mageia-dev] Help on a particular spec pkg (perl)
+</A><A NAME="10134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322929346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010138.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322929346-01322930495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010139.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322929346-01322930495-01322933388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010140.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322929346-01322936784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010141.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322929346-01322936784-01322937000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010142.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01322929346-01322936784-01322956828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010145.html">[Mageia-dev] Enable kernel log timestamps?
+</A><A NAME="10145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322958377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010146.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322958377-01322995174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010148.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322958377-01322995174-01323011176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010157.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01322958377-01322995174-01323011176-01323014904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010158.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322958377-01322995174-01323011176-01323014904-01323019817- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010159.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01322958377-01322995174-01323011176-01323014904-01323019817-01323028653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010163.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01322958377-01323000319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010153.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01322958377-01323007678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010155.html">[Mageia-dev] New Kernel doesn't boot on virtualbox
+</A><A NAME="10155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322997740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010151.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322997740-01322999798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010152.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01322997740-01322999798-01323003219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release glib2.0-2.31.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323010583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010156.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [176052] - Restore userdel in postun (needed for build to succeed)
+</A><A NAME="10156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323023453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010161.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	ldetect-lst-0.1.297-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323027855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010162.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	lighttpd-1.4.28-6.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323030249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010164.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	courier-imap-4.9.3-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323061251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010166.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323061251-01323061349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010167.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323061251-01323061349-01323061468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010168.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323061251-01323061349-01323061468-01323062053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010169.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323061251-01323061349-01323061468-01323062053-01323067232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010171.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323061251-01323061349-01323061468-01323062053-01323067232-01323096231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010201.html">[Mageia-dev] Jonund
+</A><A NAME="10201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323065386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010170.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323065386-01323073676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010173.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323065386-01323075700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010174.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323065386-01323085614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010193.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323065386-01323085614-01323149740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010218.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323065386-01323827114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010403.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] nouveau, swrastg, libdri-drivers-experimental
+</A><A NAME="10403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323068824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010172.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323068824-01323076696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010175.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323068824-01323076696-01323076767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010176.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323068824-01323076696-01323076767-01323086029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010194.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323079800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010177.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323079800-01323081859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010178.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010180.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010182.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323083711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323083711-01323084102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010188.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323083711-01323084102-01323084808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010190.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323083711-01323084102-01323084808-01323085302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010192.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323086030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010195.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323086030-01323412919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323086030-01323412919-01323413085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323086030-01323412919-01323413085-01323421830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323081859-01323082487-01323083538-01323086030-01323428826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010301.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323079800-01323097274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010202.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323079800-01323097274-01323099726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010203.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323079800-01323097274-01323099726-01323179894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010230.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323079800-01323097274-01323099726-01323179894-01323192216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	sauerbraten-2010_07_28-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323082120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010179.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2284] ERR_CUSTOM file does not exist anymore, fix bug #1353
+</A><A NAME="10179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323083276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010181.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323083276-01323083645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010183.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323083276-01323083645-01323084004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010187.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323083276-01323083645-01323084004-01323117276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010206.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update	NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323083276-01323083645-01323084265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010189.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2286] SILENT : forgot to update NEWS
+</A><A NAME="10189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323083637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010184.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2285] 0.97.2 - fix squid configuration when sharing internet connection ( #1353)
+</A><A NAME="10184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323083795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323083795-01323535039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	drakx-net-0.97.2-1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323084916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010191.html">[Mageia-dev] Syndaemon testing required x86_64 MGA1
+</A><A NAME="10191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323086172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010196.html">[Mageia-dev] Rakudo and perl 6
+</A><A NAME="10196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323088160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010197.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 wiki page
+</A><A NAME="10197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323089689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010198.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted	repo
+</A><A NAME="10198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323089689-01323089915- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010199.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323089689-01323089915-01323110939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010205.html">[Mageia-dev] Ping about the hypothesis to create a	non-free&amp;tainted repo
+</A><A NAME="10205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323095196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010200.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323095196-01323126815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010214.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323095196-01323129221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010216.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323095196-01323156908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010220.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323095196-01323156908-01323177749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010229.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323095196-01323156908-01323177749-01323180845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010231.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323095196-01323156908-01323177749-01323180845-01323186459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010233.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323095196-01323156908-01323177749-01323180845-01323186459-01323187408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010234.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323095196-01323156908-01323177749-01323180845-01323186459-01323187408-01323188507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010235.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: gcc-4.6.2 landing on Cauldron
+</A><A NAME="10235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323117739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010208.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2290] SILENT : corrected NEWS file
+</A><A NAME="10208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323119294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010209.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323119294-01323171789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010227.html">[Mageia-dev] Subrel for version updates on stable releases
+</A><A NAME="10227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323119759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010210.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323119759-01323123638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010211.html">[Mageia-dev] [177078] Add README.urpmi to note that apache	needs to be running
+</A><A NAME="10211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323125785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010212.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323125785-01323126194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010213.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323125785-01323127743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010215.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323125785-01323127743-01323156525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010219.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323125785-01323127743-01323161317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010221.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010251.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764-01323286655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010253.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764-01323286655-01323286791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010255.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764-01323286655-01323286791-01323287569- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010256.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764-01323286655-01323286791-01323287569-01323302337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010267.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323127743-01323284764-01323286655-01323286791-01323287569-01323302337-01323303592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010269.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323125785-01323127743-01323512671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010308.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323125785-01323516732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010310.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323125785-01323516732-01323522021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010314.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323125785-01323516732-01323533364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010328.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323125785-01323516732-01323533364-01323600062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010350.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323516732-01323533364-01323600062-01323619912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010363.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323516732-01323533364-01323600062-01323619912-01323625415- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010365.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323125785-01323516732-01323533364-01323600062-01323619912-01323625415-01323631258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010367.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Opening Backports (once again...)
+</A><A NAME="10367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323163111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010222.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323163111-01323165892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010223.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323163111-01323165892-01323166343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010225.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron updates)
+</A><A NAME="10225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323163111-01323165892-01323166343-01323173010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010228.html">[Mageia-dev] New errors during boot (since latest Cauldron	updates)
+</A><A NAME="10228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323181321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010232.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323181321-01323193104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010237.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323181321-01323193104-01323199212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010238.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323181321-01323193104-01323201118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010239.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323181321-01323193104-01323201118-01323201637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010241.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323181321-01323205276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010242.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: x11-server 1.11.2 landing
+</A><A NAME="10242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323201592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010240.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2301] 1.52:
+</A><A NAME="10240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323208988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010243.html">[Mageia-dev]  looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ch&#233;ny Yves-Ga&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323208988-01323331547- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010276.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323208988-01323331547-01323727539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010389.html">[Mageia-dev] looking for a mentor
+</A><A NAME="10389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323254473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010245.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323254473-01323508102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010306.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323254473-01323508102-01323526288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010321.html">[Mageia-dev] [2302] ide_cd_mod does not exist anymore (thanks	aginies)
+</A><A NAME="10321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323255612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010246.html">[Mageia-dev] sysadmin please
+</A><A NAME="10246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323277181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010247.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323277181-01323307662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010272.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.7.4 pushed on BS
+</A><A NAME="10272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323281483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010248.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323281483-01323281973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010249.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010252.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010254.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010257.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323291227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010258.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323291227-01323295715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010260.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323291227-01323295715-01323296498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010263.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323291227-01323295715-01323296680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010264.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323291227-01323295778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010261.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323302284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010266.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323281483-01323281973-01323286100-01323286696-01323289885-01323302284-01323304507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010271.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5.18 on cauldron tonight
+</A><A NAME="10271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323283282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010250.html">[Mageia-dev] No meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="10250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323295177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010259.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323295177-01323296378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010262.html">[Mageia-dev] [hardware] Texas instruments device 8142
+</A><A NAME="10262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323301203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010265.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323301203-01323303721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010270.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323301203-01323303721-01323338324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010277.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323301203-01323303721-01323611765- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010361.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323301203-01323303721-01323611765-01323690608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010381.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323301203-01323303721-01323611765-01323690608-01323899649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010442.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323301203-01323303721-01323611765-01323690608-01323899649-01323942180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010471.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323301203-01323314378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010273.html">[Mageia-dev] init=systemd
+</A><A NAME="10273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323303134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010268.html">[Mageia-dev] [2312] identify xhci-hcd driven hw as bluetooth	not usb
+</A><A NAME="10268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323338660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010278.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323338660-01323341506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010280.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323338660-01323341506-01323346466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010283.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323346466-01323346588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010284.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323346466-01323346588-01323371125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010288.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323346466-01323544987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010339.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010307.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010309.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323542274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010337.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323690428- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010380.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010446.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180-01323901640- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010448.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180-01323904463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010453.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180-01323904463-01323905285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010455.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180-01323904463-01323905285-01323932391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010462.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323341506-01323512078-01323515696-01323901180-01323904463-01323905285-01323935605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010465.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323338660-01323344008- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010281.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323338660-01323344008-01323346408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010282.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323338660-01323344008-01323346408-01323350123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010285.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323338660-01323344008-01323346408-01323371430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010289.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323338660-01323356993- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010287.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323338660-01323438371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010303.html">[Mageia-dev] Package adoption campaign, 3 months later
+</A><A NAME="10303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323340463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010279.html">[Mageia-dev] For information Mandriva Python packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="10279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323354465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010286.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323354465-01323375708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010291.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323354465-01323375708-01323379099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010293.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323354465-01323375708-01323379099-01323379811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010294.html">[Mageia-dev] i18n teams: typo in German localedrake
+</A><A NAME="10294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323373460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010290.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323373460-01323402082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010296.html">[Mageia-dev] Unsigned packages in updates testing
+</A><A NAME="10296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323380519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010295.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2316] fixed German translation typo
+</A><A NAME="10295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323410382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010297.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323410382-01323430748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010302.html">[Mageia-dev] Convert some libreoffice subpackages into noarch
+</A><A NAME="10302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323479934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010304.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323479934-01323484694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010305.html">[Mageia-dev] USB crash
+</A><A NAME="10305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323519172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010311.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323519172-01323521159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010313.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010315.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010316.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010318.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010319.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912-01323526399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010322.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912-01323526399-01323545554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010341.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912-01323526399-01323619122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010362.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912-01323526399-01323619122-01323625150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010364.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323519172-01323521159-01323522378-01323522693-01323524490-01323524912-01323526399-01323619122-01323625150-01323688780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010379.html">[Mageia-dev] Build-in or stand-alone module for X to support Y
+</A><A NAME="10379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323519368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323519368-01323526221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010320.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakconf-12.22.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323523409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010317.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323523409-01323526719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010323.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323523409-01323526809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010324.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323523409-01323526809-01323529298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010325.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323523409-01323526809-01323529298-01323529513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010326.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323523409-01323526809-01323529298-01323550288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010343.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323523409-01323526809-01323529298-01323550288-01323556542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010345.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323523409-01323526809-01323532985- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010327.html">[Mageia-dev] Where to report mageia 2 alpha 1 problems?
+</A><A NAME="10327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323533620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010329.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323533620-01323534809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010330.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323533620-01323534809-01323536222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010332.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323533620-01323534809-01323569318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010348.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323533620-01323534809-01323569318-01323600654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010352.html">[Mageia-dev] Need for a clear policy on translated man pages
+</A><A NAME="10352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323539972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010333.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323539972-01323545109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010340.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323539972-01323545109-01323545855- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010342.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323539972-01323545109-01323545855-01323550480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010344.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323539972-01323545109-01323545855-01323550480-01323600479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010351.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2359] coding style update	(perl_checker)
+</A><A NAME="10351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323540286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010334.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323540286-01323540803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010335.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323540286-01323540803-01323541570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010336.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323540286-01323540803-01323541570-01323542595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010338.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323540286-01323568462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010347.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2362] timezone must be on livecds	(#3497)
+</A><A NAME="10347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323568293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010346.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323568293-01323572015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010349.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323568293-01323572015-01323611439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010359.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323568293-01323572015-01323611439-01323642098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010371.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323568293-01323572015-01323611439-01323642098-01323649277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010372.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: Improvements for ioquake3 package and related	games
+</A><A NAME="10372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323601602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010353.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2366] add usb3 host controller	driver
+</A><A NAME="10353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323601662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010354.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323601662-01323611245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010358.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323601662-01323611245-01323638133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010369.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323601662-01323611245-01323638133-01323638890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010370.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem	here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323601662-01323611245-01323638133-01323638890-01323658307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010373.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2370] do not require basesystem here, it is enforced by drakx installer already
+</A><A NAME="10373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323601961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323601961-01323611519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323601961-01323611519-01323899440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010441.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Libconf-0.42.10-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323602913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010356.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323602913-01323609142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010357.html">[Mageia-dev] Wifi connection (iwl module) fails continuosly
+</A><A NAME="10357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323626036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010366.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2376] fix medium variant test,	check spent time testing
+</A><A NAME="10366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323636787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010368.html">[Mageia-dev] Assigned correctly?
+</A><A NAME="10368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323666064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	texlive-20110705-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323674597- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010375.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2386] fix version
+</A><A NAME="10375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323678515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010376.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323678515-01323680978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010377.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Revillet
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323678515-01323680978-01323682768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010378.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnuplot-4.4.4-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323695389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010382.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323695389-01323696128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010383.html">[Mageia-dev] once again about ffmpeg in Mga1
+</A><A NAME="10383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323716079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010384.html">[Mageia-dev] Please don't update qgis
+</A><A NAME="10384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323720876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010385.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323720876-01323724048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010386.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323720876-01323724048-01323725244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010387.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323720876-01323724048-01323725256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010388.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323720876-01323765995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010394.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323720876-01323794234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010396.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome New Packagers: barjac and Malo
+</A><A NAME="10396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323745148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010390.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323745148-01323751596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010391.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323745148-01323877742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010427.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323745148-01323877742-01323915644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010457.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with $MIRRORLIST ?
+</A><A NAME="10457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323751785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010392.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323751785-01323795474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010397.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323751785-01323795474-01323795716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010398.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323751785-01323795474-01323795716-01323930747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010458.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323751785-01323795474-01323827468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010404.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323751785-01323795474-01323827468-01323931058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010459.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323751785-01323795474-01323827468-01323931058-01324176031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010619.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323751785-01323795474-01323827468-01323931058-01324176031-01324180091- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010622.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Denielou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323751785-01323795474-01323827468-01323931058-01324176031-01324235046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010653.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323751785-01323829614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010406.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michel Catudal
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323751785-01323871916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010423.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323751785-01323873732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010425.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323751785-01323904454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010452.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrew Myers
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323751785-01323904454-01323931187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010460.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323751785-01323932047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010461.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323762049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010393.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2401] reorganize mounted images	tests and summary output
+</A><A NAME="10393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323794113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010395.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323794113-01323803430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010399.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome to tthe packager team: eatdirt
+</A><A NAME="10399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323815266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010400.html">[Mageia-dev]  pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323815266-01323852003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010411.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323815266-01323852003-01323895374- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010433.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jcc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323815266-01323852003-01323895374-01323895788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010434.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323815266-01323852003-01323895374-01323895788-01324116280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010553.html">[Mageia-dev] pixmap
+</A><A NAME="10553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colette Jean-Claude
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323822687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010402.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323822687-01323828279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010405.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010410.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010414.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323857874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010415.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323858204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010416.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010418.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862233-01323890388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010429.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862233-01323890388-01323899049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010440.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010419.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296-01323891752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010430.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296-01323891752-01323902257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010449.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296-01323891752-01323902257-01323904211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010451.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296-01323891752-01323902257-01323941809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010469.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323848955-01323854099-01323862296-01323891752-01323902257-01323941809-01323945928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010473.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323822687-01323828279-01323854457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010413.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323822687-01323828279-01323854457-01323899037- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010439.html">[Mageia-dev] How broken are RPM dependencies allowed to be?
+</A><A NAME="10439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323837954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010407.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323837954-01323858475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010417.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323837954-01323858475-01323898394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010437.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010456.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010470.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115-01323980382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010493.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115-01323980382-01323987806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010501.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115-01323980382-01323987806-01323988760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010502.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115-01323980382-01323987806-01323988760-01323989561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010505.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>magnus
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323837954-01323858475-01323914560-01323942115-01323980382-01323987806-01323988760-01323989561-01323990552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010506.html">[Mageia-dev] No sound after reboot.
+</A><A NAME="10506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323838592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010408.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323838592-01323841773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010409.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME (new input method forked from gcin) for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323853518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010412.html">[Mageia-dev] HIME for Mageia &amp; lang.pm modifications
+</A><A NAME="10412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323865797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010420.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323865797-01323866030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010421.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323865797-01323866030-01323867362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010422.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323865797-01323866030-01323939909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010467.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323865797-01323866030-01323939909-01324046477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010530.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323865797-01323866030-01323939909-01324046477-01324046810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010531.html">[Mageia-dev] Missing packages
+</A><A NAME="10531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323873300- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010424.html">[Mageia-dev] OCaml packaging team
+</A><A NAME="10424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323883575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323883575-01323893354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010431.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010432.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010435.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010436.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010438.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323899758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323899758-01323900177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010444.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323899758-01323900177-01323900777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010445.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323899758-01323900177-01323900777-01323901223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010447.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565-01323973522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010488.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565-01323973522-01323977093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010489.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565-01323973522-01323977093-01323978672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010490.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565-01323973522-01323977093-01323978672-01323980324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010492.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323883575-01323893354-01323894124-01323896058-01323896561-01323898685-01323903544-01323904565-01323973522-01323977093-01323978672-01323980324-01323989329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010504.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323933027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010463.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323933027-01323933974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010464.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323933027-01323933974-01323944807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010472.html">[Mageia-dev] rsync fails at .../iso/cauldron/old
+</A><A NAME="10472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323939096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010466.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323939096-01323940998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010468.html">[Mageia-dev] strange perl faillure on the BS
+</A><A NAME="10468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323949929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010474.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323949929-01323956208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010479.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323949929-01323956208-01323984705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010496.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323949929-01323956208-01323984705-01323986909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010498.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323949929-01323979136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010491.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia - php and perl packages
+</A><A NAME="10491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323949929-01323986251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010497.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01323949929-01323989061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010503.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323949929-01323989061-01323994826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010508.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323949929-01323989061-01323994826-01323997656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010511.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323949929-01323989061-01323994826-01323997656-01324001372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010513.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323949929-01323989061-01323994826-01323997656-01324001372-01324013370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010514.html">[Mageia-dev] Consolidation of the spelling tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323955608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010477.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323955608-01323955771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010478.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323955608-01323955771-01323957313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010480.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01323955608-01323955771-01323964423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010482.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323955608-01323955771-01323964423-01323964753- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010483.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323955608-01323955771-01323964423-01323964753-01323964919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010485.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323955608-01323955771-01323964423-01323964758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010484.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01323955608-01323955771-01324147517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010586.html">[Mageia-dev] KDE 4.8 alpha2
+</A><A NAME="10586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323984495- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010494.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323984495-01323984623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010495.html">[Mageia-dev] RPM Filesystem space check broken?
+</A><A NAME="10495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323987294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010499.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323987294-01323992203- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010507.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323987294-01323992203-01323996081- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010509.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323987294-01323992203-01323996081-01324027768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010517.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323987294-01323992203-01323996081-01324027768-01324040081- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010525.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01323987294-01323992203-01323996081-01324027768-01324040081-01324041639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010528.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01323987294-01324029511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010518.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323987294-01324029511-01324030089- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010521.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Dracut now mounts /usr properly \o/
+</A><A NAME="10521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01323987438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010500.html">[Mageia-dev] Plymouth spash and kernel command line arguments
+</A><A NAME="10500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01323997922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010512.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01323997922-01324025656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010516.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01323997922-01324025656-01324051288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010532.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01323997922-01324025656-01324051288-01324085258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010551.html">[Mageia-dev] MariaDB 5.5
+</A><A NAME="10551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324022066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010515.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324022066-01324029683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010519.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324022066-01324029683-01324029969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010520.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	firefox-beta-l10n-9.0b6-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324037168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010523.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324037168-01324038922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010524.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010526.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010529.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010587.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010588.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324154034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010592.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324166660- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010607.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324166660-01324177251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010621.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324166660-01324177251-01324243684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010660.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324166660-01324177251-01324243684-01324246966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010665.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324166660-01324177251-01324243684-01324246966-01324331319- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010669.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324040320-01324044708-01324152015-01324153274-01324174468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010617.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01324037168-01324038922-01324075967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010540.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324075967-01324077530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010542.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01324037168-01324038922-01324076916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010541.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magallon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324076916-01324077595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010543.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324037168-01324038922-01324076916-01324082032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010547.html">[Mageia-dev] Issues with dracut
+</A><A NAME="10547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324041187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010527.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	bash-completion-1.90-4.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324059368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010533.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324059368-01324070074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010535.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010536.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010539.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010548.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010549.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010550.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010555.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010556.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010557.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010558.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010559.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010560.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010561.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324121661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010563.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324121661-01324127437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010566.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324121661-01324127437-01324155937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010596.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010589.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324153693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010590.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324153826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010591.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324153826-01324154113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010593.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324367771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010700.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324367771-01325086261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010711.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324367771-01325086261-01325096655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010726.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324118155-01324119511-01324153496-01324367771-01325103803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010728.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324140418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010580.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324140418-01324141788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010582.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324140418-01324141788-01324156063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010597.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324140418-01324142045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010583.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324116886-01324117595-01324140418-01324142045-01324142757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010584.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324119273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010562.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324070074-01324071624-01324074143-01324083052-01324083835-01324085201-01324115572-01324116084-01324116605-01324119273-01324136229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010577.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01324059368-01324135656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010576.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324059368-01324135656-01324182913- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010623.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010633.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010635.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010642.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010643.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010644.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010648.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010649.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433-01324226537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433-01324226537-01324227265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010652.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433-01324226537-01324227265-01324235249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010654.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433-01324226537-01324227265-01324235249-01324241629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010655.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324225433-01324226537-01324227265-01324235249-01324241629-01324242511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010656.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324211171-01324222996-01324242995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010657.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324059368-01324135656-01324204339-01324205657-01324208812-01324209836-01324246899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010664.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: X11 now starts on tty1
+</A><A NAME="10664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324063770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010534.html">[Mageia-dev] isocheck, quick basic checks for built ISOs
+</A><A NAME="10534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324073563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010537.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324073563-01324078567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010545.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324073563-01324078567-01324080208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010546.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	meta-task-2-14.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324074033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010538.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324074033-01324078501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010544.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324074033-01324078501-01324087159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010552.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324074033-01324078501-01324087159-01324140619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010581.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324074033-01324078501-01324087159-01324140619-01324144277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010585.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release	postfix-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324115545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010554.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324115545-01324123972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010564.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010565.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010568.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010570.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324130359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010571.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324130359-01324130890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010572.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324130359-01324134892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010574.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324130359-01324134892-01324135370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010575.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324130359-01324134892-01324135370-01324155819- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010595.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324129542-01324155427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010594.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010579.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010606.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324166779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010608.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324166779-01324167141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010610.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324166779-01324167141-01324174989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010618.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324166779-01324167141-01324174989-01324195941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010628.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324166779-01324167141-01324177024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010620.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324115545-01324123972-01324126277-01324128234-01324138229-01324164996-01324167039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010609.html">[Mageia-dev] mariadb
+</A><A NAME="10609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324127616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010567.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324127616-01324129070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010569.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324127616-01324129070-01324156270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010598.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01324127616-01324134282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010573.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324127616-01324134282-01324136371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010578.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324127616-01324134282-01324136371-01324156330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010599.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01324127616-01324546105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010695.html">[Mageia-dev] RFP: commenting obsoletes for later removal
+</A><A NAME="10695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324160656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010600.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324160656-01324171856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010615.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324160656-01324171856-01324201002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010629.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324160656-01324171856-01324201002-01324221118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010646.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01324160656-01324260142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010693.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324160656-01324260142-01325088077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010714.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding additional provides to php database modules
+</A><A NAME="10714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324162743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010601.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324162743-01324189558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010624.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324162743-01324189558-01324201166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010630.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01324162743-01324189558-01324208284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010640.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324162743-01324189558-01324208284-01324221604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010647.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162743-01324189558-01324208284-01324221604-01324245606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010662.html">[Mageia-dev] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01324162743-01324206598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010636.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-i18n] Call for translators
+</A><A NAME="10636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324162841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010602.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324162841-01324163320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010603.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010604.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010632.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010634.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422-01324206880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010637.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422-01324206880-01324207389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010638.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422-01324206880-01324207389-01324208474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010641.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422-01324206880-01324207389-01324208474-01324227167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010651.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324162841-01324163320-01324163378-01324203580-01324204422-01324206880-01324207389-01324208474-01324227167-01324243135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010658.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324163642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010605.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324163642-01324195458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010627.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324163642-01324195458-01324208080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010639.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324163642-01324195458-01324208080-01324214865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010645.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	oxygen-icon-theme-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324170645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010611.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324170645-01324171426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010613.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324170645-01324171426-01324171642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010614.html">[Mageia-dev] Umaintained packages?
+</A><A NAME="10614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Josh King
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324171420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010612.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324171420-01324173561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010616.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade udev 175
+</A><A NAME="10616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324192137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010625.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324192137-01324192476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010626.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01324192137-01324201888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010631.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kdeutils4-4.7.90-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324243572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010659.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324243572-01324545700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010671.html">[Mageia-dev] qtwebkit libification problem
+</A><A NAME="10671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324245474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010661.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324245474-01324246695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010663.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324245474-01324246695-01324246934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010666.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324245474-01324246695-01324246934-01324268604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010702.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324245474-01324246695-01324246934-01324297467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010674.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324270722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010684.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut/plymouth broken...
+</A><A NAME="10684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324271887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010675.html">[Mageia-dev] [ATT] broken initramfs generation
+</A><A NAME="10675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324289893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010672.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324289893-01324290470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010680.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324289893-01324290470-01325090978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010722.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	systemd-37-15.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324290038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010686.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324290917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010678.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2419] do not hardcode systemd default through kernel command line, it should be easily overridable by just picking the proper init package
+</A><A NAME="10678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324297736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010685.html">[Mageia-dev] RFC: udev in stage1 (installer currently broken)
+</A><A NAME="10685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324311087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010682.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324311087-01325184116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010767.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324311087-01325184116-01325187484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010770.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01324311087-01325184116-01325195583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010784.html">[Mageia-dev] php-5.4RC3
+</A><A NAME="10784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324314697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010696.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tftp-5.2-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324341698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010705.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324341698-01325111182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010731.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324341698-01325111182-01325128393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010733.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324341698-01325111182-01325128393-01325150714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010734.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324341698-01325111182-01325128393-01325150714-01325176476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010755.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dan Fandrich
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324341698-01325111182-01325128393-01325150714-01325203864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010789.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01324341698-01325111182-01325179876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010760.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324341698-01325111182-01325179876-01325194978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010781.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01324341698-01325111182-01325353342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010848.html">[Mageia-dev] packaging savoir-vivre
+</A><A NAME="10848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324342083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010701.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324342083-01325089450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010718.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324379253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010667.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324379253-01325282527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010813.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324379253-01325282527-01325288898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010818.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324379253-01325282527-01325288898-01325289782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010820.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324379253-01325282527-01325288898-01325291783- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010822.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324379253-01325282527-01325288898-01325291783-01325292621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010823.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324379253-01325282527-01325288898-01325291783-01325292621-01325336325- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010831.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324381358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010670.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324381358-01324382653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010681.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324383625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010698.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2494] Port stage2 to use udev.
+</A><A NAME="10698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324383979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010683.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [Cooker] System can stall under heavy IOs with slow storage devices
+</A><A NAME="10683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324386550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010704.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324392659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010668.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324392659-01325088105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010716.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324392659-01325088105-01325104048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010730.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	php-5.3.9-0.RC3.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324473769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010677.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324477281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010692.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-Private] Consolidation of the spelling	tools in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324497752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010691.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324497752-01325085966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010710.html">[Mageia-dev] Fresh install loops in mkinitrd
+</A><A NAME="10710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324542140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010688.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324542140-01325160828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010740.html">[Mageia-dev] Package drop request: perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed
+</A><A NAME="10740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324549150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010697.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324591370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010694.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324591370-01325085899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010709.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010712.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010713.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010715.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010717.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010719.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048-01325090209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010720.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048-01325090209-01325090417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010721.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048-01325090209-01325090417-01325091625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010725.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048-01325090209-01325090995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010723.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01324591370-01325085899-01325086459-01325087339-01325088099-01325088356-01325090048-01325090209-01325090995-01325184813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010768.html">[Mageia-dev] Conflicts between kde 4.7.90 and laptop-mode-tools
+</A><A NAME="10768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324595181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010687.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324595181-01325091123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010724.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01324595181-01325103962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010729.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving Boxes experience on Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324733372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010689.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kernel-linus-3.2.0-0.rc7.1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324783857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010699.html">[Mageia-dev] [bugs] [Bug 2111] transcode, A linux video stream processing utility
+</A><A NAME="10699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324828558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010673.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [2501] add missing news
+</A><A NAME="10673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324828766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010706.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	drakx-installer-images-1.58-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01324838451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010679.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324838451-01325085681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010707.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01324838451-01325085681-01325097086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010727.html">[Mageia-dev] Upgrade to KDE 4.7.95 breaks the desktop
+</A><A NAME="10727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324914933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010703.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324914933-01325160779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010739.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324935579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010690.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01324935579-01325085826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010708.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	qt3-3.3.8b-30.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01324986107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010676.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with latest Evolution and attachements
+</A><A NAME="10676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Fox
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325116785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010732.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	tomcat-7.0.23-3.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325151141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010735.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325151141-01325155836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010736.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010743.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959-01325168938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010747.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959-01325168938-01325175627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010754.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959-01325168938-01325175627-01325188171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010771.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959-01325168938-01325175627-01325188171-01325190028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010774.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325151141-01325155836-01325165959-01325168938-01325175627-01325188171-01325190028-01325194290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010778.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325157990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010737.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	gnome-activity-journal-0.8.0-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325159528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010738.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325159528-01325195026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010782.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325159528-01325195026-01325202591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010788.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325159528-01325195026-01325202591-01325240964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010795.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01325159528-01325195026-01325349450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010845.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	2mandvd-1.7.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325160957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010741.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325160957-01325165840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010742.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325160957-01325165840-01325166966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010744.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325160957-01325165840-01325166966-01325188310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010772.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01325160957-01325165840-01325169400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010749.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325160957-01325165840-01325169400-01325188350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010773.html">[Mageia-dev] dracut problem
+</A><A NAME="10773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325167293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010745.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325167293-01325168317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010746.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325167293-01325168317-01325169076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010748.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325167293-01325168317-01325169076-01325180084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010761.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325168317-01325169076-01325180084-01325180515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010762.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01325167293-01325176757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010756.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010757.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010759.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236-01325221209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010791.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236-01325221209-01325233849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010793.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236-01325221209-01325238389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010794.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236-01325349611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010846.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325179236-01325349611-01325350641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010847.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325183231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010764.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325183231-01325183397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010765.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325167293-01325176757-01325177316-01325183231-01325183397-01325183472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010766.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 1 core/updates_testing	firefox-9.0-0.1.mga1
+</A><A NAME="10766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325169831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010750.html">[Mageia-dev] [158082] upgraded to version 1.13.4 (wget)
+</A><A NAME="10750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325170935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010751.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325170935-01325172955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010752.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325170935-01325172955-01325175402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010753.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010769.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010775.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010776.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010790.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740-01325246187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010797.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740-01325246187-01325248059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010799.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740-01325246187-01325248059-01325248604- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010800.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740-01325246187-01325289238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010819.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325170935-01325172955-01325185355-01325191182-01325193234-01325204740-01325246187-01325289238-01325289907- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010821.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01325170935-01325172955-01325195277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010783.html">[Mageia-dev] boot-nonfree.iso ?
+</A><A NAME="10783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325178118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010758.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325178118-01325180563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010763.html">[Mageia-dev] Install prompt about pcmcia
+</A><A NAME="10763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325194237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010777.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325194237-01325194424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010779.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325194237-01325194424-01325198995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010787.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188774] make sure shadow-utils	are installed before rpm-helper (mga #3916)
+</A><A NAME="10787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325194461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010780.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325194461-01325230936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010792.html">[Mageia-dev] License issues with readline (MariaDB)
+</A><A NAME="10792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325197510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010785.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325197510-01325197581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010786.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325197510-01325197581-01325247265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010798.html">[Mageia-dev] Boot stalls in fresh cauldron installs
+</A><A NAME="10798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325245429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010796.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325245429-01325325082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010825.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325245429-01325325082-01325327026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010826.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010827.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010828.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687-01325338014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010834.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687-01325338014-01325340572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010836.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687-01325338014-01325340572-01325341687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010837.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687-01325338014-01325340572-01325341687-01325346393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010844.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325327687-01325338014-01325340572-01325342098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010838.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmlint
+</A><A NAME="10838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325337685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010832.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file	patch
+</A><A NAME="10832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325245429-01325325082-01325327392-01325337685-01325342689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010839.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [188982] fixed desktop file patch
+</A><A NAME="10839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325249730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010801.html">[Mageia-dev]  mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325249730-01325262676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010803.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325249730-01325262676-01325320167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010824.html">[Mageia-dev] mentors + apprentices
+</A><A NAME="10824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325255941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010802.html">[Mageia-dev] [188979] imported package rmanage
+</A><A NAME="10802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325264082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010804.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189074] corrected Provides: php-pear-Horde_Util from php-pear-Horde_Url
+</A><A NAME="10804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325264512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010805.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325264512-01325266766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010806.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325264512-01325266766-01325267884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010807.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325264512-01325266766-01325267884-01325269953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010808.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325264512-01325266766-01325267884-01325278534- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010809.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01325264512-01325337854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010833.html">[Mageia-dev] rebuilding other's packages
+</A><A NAME="10833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325279605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010810.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325279605-01325280097- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010811.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325279605-01325280097-01325280265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010812.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM]	cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01325279605-01325280097-01325280265-01325283188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010816.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01325279605-01325280097-01325280265-01325283188-01325284166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010817.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron	core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01325279605-01325280097-01325283174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010815.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kadu-0.10.1-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325283068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010814.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	kwooty-0.8.0-2.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325333285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010829.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	nmapsi4-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325333760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010830.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	yal-0.3-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325339366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010835.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release	cmake-2.8.7-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="10835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01325342994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010841.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01325342994-01325345707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010842.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01325342994-01325345707-01325346014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010843.html">[Mageia-dev] [packages-commits] [189299] removed wrong patch of	ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01325343000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="010840.html">[Mageia-dev] [189299] removed wrong patch of ssl certs path
+</A><A NAME="10840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+    </ul>
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