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+ <B>Marie Fran&#231;oise Greck &#8211; ITC France</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-sysadm%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-sysadm%5D%20%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3FITC_soci%3DC3%3DA9t%3DC3%3DA9_de_TRADUCTION%21%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C12071-888-8-0000031382%40mta0.sbr11.net%3E"
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+<PRE>English ( &quot;<A HREF="http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/english/index.html">http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/english/index.html</A>&quot; ) - Espa&#241;ol ( &quot;<A HREF="http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/spanish/index.html">http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/spanish/index.html</A>&quot; )- Deutsch ( &quot;<A HREF="http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/german/index.html">http://www.itcglobaltranslations.com/email/itcfrance/german/index.html</A>&quot; )
+
+Bonjour,
+
+J&#8217;ai obtenu les informations concernant votre entreprise sur Internet et je prends donc la libert&#233; de vous contacter.
+
+Notre soci&#233;t&#233; de traduction, ITC Traduction ( &quot;<A HREF="http://www.itcfrance.com/">http://www.itcfrance.com/</A>&quot; ), serait int&#233;ress&#233;e par une collaboration avec votre entreprise pour vos projets de traduction.&#160; Accepteriez-vous, &#224; cet &#233;gard, de transf&#233;rer cet email &#224; la personne responsable de la traduction de vos documents ainsi qu&#8217;&#224; votre d&#233;partement marketing ?&#160;
+
+ITC est une soci&#233;t&#233; de traduction qui propose des services de traduction tr&#232;s technique dans plus de 25 langues. Forts d&#8217;une exp&#233;rience de 10 ans de collaboration avec des entreprises internationales et avec des bureaux en Europe et aux Etats-Unis, nous nous sommes forg&#233; une solide r&#233;putation et nous disposons d&#8217;un portefeuille clients incluant des organisations r&#233;put&#233;es telles que Cap Gemini, Johnson Controls, Emerson Process, John Deere, Haulotte, Sciemetric, Toyota, Pfizer, Covidien, Publicis, L&#8217;Or&#233;al, Nestl&#233;, Sanofi, l&#8217;Organisation Mondiale de la Sant&#233; (OMS), Averion, Alstom, l&#8217;Association Word Trade Center, et les Nations Unies, pour n&#8217;en citer que quelques-unes.
+Traductions de documents techniques : guides d&#8217;utilisateur, notices d&#8217;emballage, documentation technique, interfaces graphiques (GUI), syst&#232;mes d&#8217;aide, guides de r&#233;solution de probl&#232;mes, instructions de travail, documents portant sur les caract&#233;ristiques produit etc.
+Traductions de documents m&#233;dicaux/pharmaceutiques : protocoles, comptes-rendus m&#233;dicaux, brochures pour investigateur, suivis d&#8217;essai clinique, formulaires de rapport de cas (CRF), documents et attestations de conformit&#233; et d&#8217;innocuit&#233; des tests, documents relatifs aux essais cliniques, dispositions r&#233;glementaires, documents relatifs &#224; l&#8217;enregistrement d&#8217;un m&#233;dicament, autorisations de mise sur le march&#233;, formulaires de consentement &#233;clair&#233;, questionnaires patients, rapports toxicologiques, rapports de s&#251;ret&#233; et rapports d&#8217;&#233;tudes cliniques, mode d&#8217;emploi et encarts publicitaires, etc. Traductions de documents marketing : brochures, questionnaires/&#233;tudes, notices d&#8217;utilisation, emballages/&#233;tiquettes, sites Internet, communiqu&#233;s de presse, livres blancs, etc.
+Traductions de documents juridiques : brevets, proc&#233;dures l&#233;gales, contrats, trait&#233;s, lois et dispositifs r&#233;glementaires, rapports d&#8217;experts, engagements de confidentialit&#233;, etc.
+N&#8217;h&#233;sitez pas &#224; me contacter pour tout renseignement compl&#233;mentaire.&#160;
+
+Je vous prie d&#8217;agr&#233;er, Madame, Monsieur, mes sinc&#232;res salutations.
+
+Marie-Fran&#231;oise Greck
+( &quot;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">mf.greck at itcfrance.com</A>?&quot; )
+
+Pour vous d&#233;sinscrire ( &quot;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">jm.conseil at itcglobaltranslations.com</A>?subject=d%E9sinscrire&quot; ). Pour demander un devis ( &quot;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">mf.greck at itcfrance.com</A>?subject=demander%20un%20devis&quot; ).
+Si on vous a transf&#233;r&#233; cet e-mail et que vous souhaitez vous inscrire pour recevoir notre newsletter ( &quot;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">mf.greck at itcfrance.com</A>?subject=inscrire&quot; ).
+( &quot;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">mgreck at itcfrance.com</A>?subject=subscribe&quot; )
+
+&#169; 2011 International Traduction Conseil ( &quot;<A HREF="http://www.itcfrance.com/">http://www.itcfrance.com/</A>&quot; ) - 4 all&#233;e de la combe - 69380 Lissieu France - T&#233;l. +33 4 78 33 02 55 - Fax +33 4 72 54 93 89
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+I order to discuss next things to do in sysadmin, I propose that we do
+an IRC meeting on #mageia-sysadmin.
+
+We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+hour.
+
+What do you think ?
+
+List of topics can be :
+
+ * rabbit end of sponsoring
+ * sucuk server and VMs
+ * backups
+ * arm build system
+ * backports setup
+ * other build system improvements
+ * council representative elections
+ * other topics ?
+
+Meeting is for sysadmin team members, but is also open to anyone
+interested.
+
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 17:38, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I order to discuss next things to do in sysadmin
+</I>I won't obey ! :)
+
+&gt;<i> I propose that we do an IRC meeting on #mageia-sysadmin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+</I>&gt;<i> hour.
+</I>
+Should be fine for me
+
+&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> List of topics can be :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* rabbit end of sponsoring
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* sucuk server and VMs
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* backups
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* arm build system
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* backports setup
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* other build system improvements
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* council representative elections
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* other topics ?
+</I>
+management of infra_1 ?
+we need to ensure packages there get updated when we get security fixes
+
+&gt;<i> Meeting is for sysadmin team members, but is also open to anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> interested.
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 07 Mar 2012, Pascal Terjan wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 17:38, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I order to discuss next things to do in sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> I won't obey ! :)
+</I>
+Oops, I wanted to say &quot;In order to discuss&quot; of course :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I propose that we do an IRC meeting on #mageia-sysadmin.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be fine for me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; List of topics can be :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* rabbit end of sponsoring
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* sucuk server and VMs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* backups
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* arm build system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* backports setup
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* other build system improvements
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* council representative elections
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;* other topics ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> management of infra_1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> we need to ensure packages there get updated when we get security fixes
+</I>
+Ok.
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+Can somebody remove <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.itb.ac.id">http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.itb.ac.id</A> as
+mirror ? It was not updated since September, and seems it's also a dead
+one for other projects.
+
+You can also disabling <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.twaren.net">http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.twaren.net</A>
+not updated since January. (I have send a mail)
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 08 Mar 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like bugzilla no more send mails when new comments are added
+</I>&gt;<i> to bugs where I'm in the cc list since a couple days...
+</I>&gt;<i> See you
+</I>
+I didn't notice any problem. Do you have an exemple of bug where you
+didn't receive email ?
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 08 mars 2012 &#224; 04:43 +0100, Manuel Hiebel a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also disabling <A HREF="http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.twaren.net">http://mirrors.mageia.org/mirrors/ftp.twaren.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> not updated since January. (I have send a mail)
+</I>&quot;Hello,
+
+We are running out of hard disk space and preparing for migrating to a
+larger storage zone.
+The sync will be restored once the migration is done.&quot;
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+<PRE>On 8 March 2012 11:44, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like bugzilla no more send mails when new comments are added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to bugs where I'm in the cc list since a couple days...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> See you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't notice any problem. Do you have an exemple of bug where you
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't receive email ?
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769</A>
+
+Thus I've opened <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850</A>
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like bugzilla no more send mails when new comments are added
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to bugs where I'm in the cc list since a couple days...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> See you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I didn't notice any problem. Do you have an exemple of bug where you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> didn't receive email ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thus I've opened <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850</A>
+</I>
+Anybody else not receiving bugzilla mails anymore?
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+<PRE>On Thu, 08 Mar 2012, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 8 March 2012 12:59, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; It looks like bugzilla no more send mails when new comments are added
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; to bugs where I'm in the cc list since a couple days...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; See you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I didn't notice any problem. Do you have an exemple of bug where you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; didn't receive email ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4724</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4432</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4197</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4769</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thus I've opened <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anybody else not receiving bugzilla mails anymore?
+</I>
+Did you check the spam folder ? According to mail server logs, the email
+was accepted by google server :
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850#c2">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850#c2</A>
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+Do you still receive the emails from ml.mageia.org mailing lists ?
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+<PRE>On 8 March 2012 14:21, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Anybody else not receiving bugzilla mails anymore?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you check the spam folder ? According to mail server logs, the email
+</I>&gt;<i> was accepted by google server :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850#c2">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4850#c2</A>
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+Indeed sg triggered gmail spam :-(
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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
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+I have got encountered problems building xboard (both core and tainted
+version).
+
+There were many chroot failures and the package was bouncing to install
+dependencies and then 'partial' period took way too long time.
+
+xboard core/release
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120310111314.kamil.valstar.1068/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120310111314.kamil.valstar.1068/</A>
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+xboard tainted/release
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/tainted/release/20120310234717.kamil.valstar.19095/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/tainted/release/20120310234717.kamil.valstar.19095/</A>
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 00:08, Kamil Rytarowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">n54 at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have got encountered problems building xboard (both core and tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> version).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There were many chroot failures and the package was bouncing to install
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies and then 'partial' period took way too long time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> xboard core/release
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120310111314.kamil.valstar.1068/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120310111314.kamil.valstar.1068/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> xboard tainted/release
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/tainted/release/20120310234717.kamil.valstar.19095/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/tainted/release/20120310234717.kamil.valstar.19095/</A>
+</I>
+It seems the command exited with error 1 even if urpmi suceeded
+installing all packages:
+
+ 84/84: texinfo #############################################
+removing installed rpms (texlive-texmf-20110705-6.mga2.noarch.rpm
+texinfo-4.13a-3.mga2.i586.rpm perl-TimeDate-1.200.0-1.mga1.noarch.rpm
+perl-Tk-804.30.0-1.mga2.i586.rpm) from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
+I: [iurt_root_command] ERROR: chroot
+ __
+E: [iurt2] [iurt2] ERROR: call_ret=1 kill= err=256 (cannot be installed)
+F: [iurt2] [iurt2] See
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/i586//log/@222381:xboard-4.5.3-4.mga2.src.rpm/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/queue/build//cauldron/i586//log/@222381:xboard-4.5.3-4.mga2.src.rpm/</A>
+
+Command failed: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/iurt_root_command --chroot
+/home/iurt/chroot_tmp/iurt/chroot_cauldron.i586.0.20120310130401 urpmi
+-v --no-verify-rpm --nolock --auto --no-suggests --ignoresize
+/home/iurt/rpm/SRPMS//@222381:xboard-4.5.3-4.mga2.src.rpm
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+</I>&gt;<i> hour.
+</I>
+So everybody agree for thursday ?
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 07 Mar 2012, nicolas vigier wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So everybody agree for thursday ?
+</I>
+No problem for me.
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+If time permits I'd like also to discuss Mageia App Db setup in order to
+prepare its installation once version 0.3 (which is late, but partly because
+we made it work with postgresl!) is out.
+
+Otherwise this is a topic I can discuss outside meeting.
+
+Samuel
+
+Le mercredi 7 mars 2012 18:38:57, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I order to discuss next things to do in sysadmin, I propose that we do
+</I>&gt;<i> an IRC meeting on #mageia-sysadmin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can do it on thursday next week, the 15th at 8pm UTC, during 1h30.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless someone cannot be there and we can try to find an other date or
+</I>&gt;<i> hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> List of topics can be :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * rabbit end of sponsoring
+</I>&gt;<i> * sucuk server and VMs
+</I>&gt;<i> * backups
+</I>&gt;<i> * arm build system
+</I>&gt;<i> * backports setup
+</I>&gt;<i> * other build system improvements
+</I>&gt;<i> * council representative elections
+</I>&gt;<i> * other topics ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Meeting is for sysadmin team members, but is also open to anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> interested.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-sysadm mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">Mageia-sysadm at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm</A>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If time permits I'd like also to discuss Mageia App Db setup in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> prepare its installation once version 0.3 (which is late, but partly because
+</I>&gt;<i> we made it work with postgresl!) is out.
+</I>
+Ok, it's added to the list of topics for the meeting.
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+
+When documentation team starts anew with the installer guide in Calenco,
+it would be nice to have a sub domain like guide.mageia.org/..... or
+doc.mageia.org/... to show the installer manual we make.
+
+To get an impression of what is meant look at the current guide:
+<A HREF="http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/webhelp/content/">http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/webhelp/content/</A>
+
+It gets updated automatically when anything is changed in our Calenco
+workspace. An ftp server (ftp.mageia.org ?) and inlog credentials are
+needed for this feature to work.
+
+We don't yet want any official links to it, that can be done when the
+work is finished. For now it is only to see what we are doing, so we can
+work faster, and to point others to who are willing to help :)
+
+Would it be possible to arrange this?
+
+Of course, in the end we hope to put a Full Mageia Manual there ;)
+
+Regards,
+Marja
+
+
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+
+&gt;<i> yellow Thu Mar 15 12:31:40 2012 rsync NOT ok
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Service rsync on valstar.mageia.org is not OK : Unexpected service response
+</I>
+I restarted xinetd to fix this error. It also happenned yesterday.
+
+When connecting to rsync, connection was immediately closed :
+$ telnet valstar.mageia.org rsync
+Trying 212.85.158.147...
+Connected to valstar.mageia.org.
+Escape character is '^]'.
+Connection closed by foreign host.
+
+
+In syslog, we had errors like this :
+Mar 15 12:46:42 valstar xinetd[22848]: socket bind: Invalid argument (errno = 22)
+Mar 15 12:46:42 valstar xinetd[22848]: Failed to contact identity server at ::ffff:
+212.85.158.146: system error
+
+
+Maybe this problem ?
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448069">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448069</A>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+
+This is a reminder about IRC meeting tonight at 8pm UTC (9pm in Paris)
+in #mageia-sysadm channel on freenode.
+
+There is 10 topics planned, and 1h30, so that's only 8 or 9 minutes per
+topic (discussions can be continued on mailing list if needed, or other
+meeting organized later).
+
+List of topics with approximate time (some can be longer and other
+shorter) :
+ * 20:10 rabbit end of sponsoring
+ * 20:18 sucuk server and VMs
+ * 20:26 backups
+ * 20:34 arm build system
+ * 20:42 backports setup
+ * 20:50 management of infra_1
+ * 20:58 other build system improvements
+ * 21:06 council representative elections
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+Logs of the meeting :
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 15 mars 2012 11:51:28, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If time permits I'd like also to discuss Mageia App Db setup in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; prepare its installation once version 0.3 (which is late, but partly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because we made it work with postgresl!) is out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, it's added to the list of topics for the meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, I forgot about the meeting after having asked to add topic, big shame on
+me! Sorry for that.
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+<PRE>Sorry I couldn't attend the meeting, I am on leave, at my mother-in-law's house, and there were problems with her ADSL account (which I have just fixed, about 12 hours before I leave to drive home). I will be back home on Sunday night (at work from Monday).
+
+I have work-in-progress to update Xymon to 4.3.x, but the actions needed for upgrade are non-trivial (as the 2nd phase of renaming from Hobbit to Xymon was done between 4.2.x and 4.3.x), and I would like to try and get them seamless (both for Mandriva-&gt;Mageia for Mageia servers, and for use in a number of environments at work).
+
+Since I now also have ADSL at home (finally, after 6 years working for the Telco), I should be able to finish this in the next week or two (and attend more meetings).
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
+
+----- Original Message -----
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a reminder about IRC meeting tonight at 8pm UTC (9pm in Paris)
+</I>&gt;<i> in #mageia-sysadm channel on freenode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is 10 topics planned, and 1h30, so that's only 8 or 9 minutes
+</I>&gt;<i> per
+</I>&gt;<i> topic (discussions can be continued on mailing list if needed, or
+</I>&gt;<i> other
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting organized later).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> List of topics with approximate time (some can be longer and other
+</I>&gt;<i> shorter) :
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:10 rabbit end of sponsoring
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:18 sucuk server and VMs
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:26 backups
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:34 arm build system
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:42 backports setup
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:50 management of infra_1
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20:58 other build system improvements
+</I>&gt;<i> * 21:06 council representative elections
+</I>&gt;<i> * 21:14 mailing lists migration
+</I>&gt;<i> * 21:22 madb installation
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+As mentioned in last IRC meeting, we need to elect sysadmin team
+representative, and deputy, for council. Anybody from sysadmin team can
+be candidate. If you are candidate, you need to answer to this email to
+say you are candidate, before next monday when the vote will be started.
+
+Planning for election :
+ - 20/03 to 26/03 at 19:00 UTC: candidates send an email to say that they are
+ candidate
+ - 26/03 at 20:00 to 29/03 at 20:00 UTC: vote is done using epoll
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+<PRE>For at least the last 12 hours, with mgaapplet, I've been getting ...
+Installation failed, some files are missing:
+ <A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm</A>
+
+Is this a problem with this mirror, or is there a problem
+getting the i586 packages out?
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+
+&gt;<i> For at least the last 12 hours, with mgaapplet, I've been getting ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation failed, some files are missing:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/**distrib/1/i586/media/core/**">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/**distrib/1/i586/media/core/**</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing/nautilus-**dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.**rpm&lt;<A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this a problem with this mirror, or is there a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> getting the i586 packages out?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I saw someone requesting to remove a nautilus-dropbox from updates_testing,
+maybe the person who did it did not update the hdlists
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+<PRE>2012/3/21 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 06:35, David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For at least the last 12 hours, with mgaapplet, I've been getting ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed, some files are missing:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;<A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem with this mirror, or is there a problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getting the i586 packages out?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw someone requesting to remove a nautilus-dropbox from updates_testing,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe the person who did it did not update the hdlists
+</I>
+Just checked with <A HREF="ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de">ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de</A> which syncs with
+distrib-coffee - the package is not there.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 09:39, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 06:35, David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For at least the last 12 hours, with mgaapplet, I've been getting ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Installation failed, some files are missing:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is this a problem with this mirror, or is there a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; getting the i586 packages out?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I saw someone requesting to remove a nautilus-dropbox from
+</I>&gt;<i> updates_testing,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe the person who did it did not update the hdlists
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just checked with <A HREF="ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de">ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de</A> which syncs with
+</I>&gt;<i> distrib-coffee - the package is not there.
+</I>
+
+Which makes sense if it was removed as requested, I hope the person who did
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+following the steps in
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html</A> I'm going to
+update the forums groups for sysadmin members. The culprit is that
+it's not in sync with LDAP so far, so it's to be manually updated.
+
+Targetted situation:
+ - forum _technical_ management people =&gt; sysadmin (includes updating
+the code base, reviewing and applying patches)
+ - forum administration (roles, configuration, all that can be done
+through the Web interface, interfacing with sysadmin) =&gt; someone still
+to step up
+ - we don't touch to user-defined groups by default (although I'm not
+sure Packagers/Sysadmins ones are really needed/used - they are not in
+sync either - but this should be dealt with future forum)
+ - we use the Administrators group to manage who gets to fully manage
+the forums (there's an extra higher level for that, but not accessible
+to anyone at this time). Sysadmin members are members of this group.
+I'm reviewing the steps to do that (I will most likely kill the
+Sysadmins group and copy the forums users from the LDAP sysadmin group
+into this Administrators group).
+ - this is for forums.mageia.org/en/ ; forums.mageia.org/de/ should be
+managed in the same way, but we need someone to relay the discussion
+in German.
+
+Comments?
+
+r.
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+<PRE>Am 21.03.2012 14:57, schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> Hi there (xpost sysadmins and forums-discuss lists),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> following the steps in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html</A> I'm going to
+</I>&gt;<i> update the forums groups for sysadmin members. The culprit is that
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not in sync with LDAP so far, so it's to be manually updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Targetted situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum _technical_ management people =&gt; sysadmin (includes updating
+</I>&gt;<i> the code base, reviewing and applying patches)
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum administration (roles, configuration, all that can be done
+</I>&gt;<i> through the Web interface, interfacing with sysadmin) =&gt; someone still
+</I>&gt;<i> to step up
+</I>&gt;<i> - we don't touch to user-defined groups by default (although I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Packagers/Sysadmins ones are really needed/used - they are not in
+</I>&gt;<i> sync either - but this should be dealt with future forum)
+</I>&gt;<i> - we use the Administrators group to manage who gets to fully manage
+</I>&gt;<i> the forums (there's an extra higher level for that, but not accessible
+</I>&gt;<i> to anyone at this time). Sysadmin members are members of this group.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm reviewing the steps to do that (I will most likely kill the
+</I>&gt;<i> Sysadmins group and copy the forums users from the LDAP sysadmin group
+</I>&gt;<i> into this Administrators group).
+</I>&gt;<i> - this is for forums.mageia.org/en/ ; forums.mageia.org/de/ should be
+</I>&gt;<i> managed in the same way, but we need someone to relay the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> in German.
+</I>Currently I am the admin of the de forums, and I am reading here.
+We do need only three groups in de forums:
+&quot;admin, global moderator, registered user&quot;
+I needed the admin rights exactly once, to ban a spammer. But it should
+be possible to do that without filing a bug report assigned to the
+sysadmins.
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+<PRE>2012/3/21 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Am 21.03.2012 14:57, schrieb Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there (xpost sysadmins and forums-discuss lists),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> following the steps in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html</A> I'm going to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> update the forums groups for sysadmin members. The culprit is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's not in sync with LDAP so far, so it's to be manually updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Targetted situation:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- forum _technical_ management people =&gt; &#160;sysadmin (includes updating
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the code base, reviewing and applying patches)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- forum administration (roles, configuration, all that can be done
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through the Web interface, interfacing with sysadmin) =&gt; &#160;someone still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to step up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- we don't touch to user-defined groups by default (although I'm not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure Packagers/Sysadmins ones are really needed/used - they are not in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sync either - but this should be dealt with future forum)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- we use the Administrators group to manage who gets to fully manage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the forums (there's an extra higher level for that, but not accessible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to anyone at this time). Sysadmin members are members of this group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm reviewing the steps to do that (I will most likely kill the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sysadmins group and copy the forums users from the LDAP sysadmin group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> into this Administrators group).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this is for forums.mageia.org/en/ ; forums.mageia.org/de/ should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> managed in the same way, but we need someone to relay the discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in German.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently I am the admin of the de forums, and I am reading here.
+</I>&gt;<i> We do need only three groups in de forums:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;admin, global moderator, registered user&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> I needed the admin rights exactly once, to ban a spammer. But it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> possible to do that without filing a bug report assigned to the sysadmins.
+</I>
+As you are already admin you have full access to all levels. Except if
+ma&#226;t changed the default permissions. I did not see any such missing
+rights nor any &quot;extra level&quot;.
+
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>Merci, d'accord.
+
+*~isadora*
+
+2012/3/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there (xpost sysadmins and forums-discuss lists),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> following the steps in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html</A> I'm going to
+</I>&gt;<i> update the forums groups for sysadmin members. The culprit is that
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not in sync with LDAP so far, so it's to be manually updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Targetted situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum _technical_ management people =&gt; sysadmin (includes updating
+</I>&gt;<i> the code base, reviewing and applying patches)
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum administration (roles, configuration, all that can be done
+</I>&gt;<i> through the Web interface, interfacing with sysadmin) =&gt; someone still
+</I>&gt;<i> to step up
+</I>&gt;<i> - we don't touch to user-defined groups by default (although I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Packagers/Sysadmins ones are really needed/used - they are not in
+</I>&gt;<i> sync either - but this should be dealt with future forum)
+</I>&gt;<i> - we use the Administrators group to manage who gets to fully manage
+</I>&gt;<i> the forums (there's an extra higher level for that, but not accessible
+</I>&gt;<i> to anyone at this time). Sysadmin members are members of this group.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm reviewing the steps to do that (I will most likely kill the
+</I>&gt;<i> Sysadmins group and copy the forums users from the LDAP sysadmin group
+</I>&gt;<i> into this Administrators group).
+</I>&gt;<i> - this is for forums.mageia.org/en/ ; forums.mageia.org/de/ should be
+</I>&gt;<i> managed in the same way, but we need someone to relay the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> in German.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+ * Sysadmins group:
+ - removed;
+ * Administrators group:
+ - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+managed by them directly;
+ - added boklm as leader;
+ - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+for several months;
+ - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+ * Moderators group:
+ - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+
+(as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+moderators already operate).
+
+So now:
+ - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+admin &amp; moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+ - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+Administrators and Moderators groups;
+ - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+
+r.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>
+forumadmin is implemented by the forum software if the person who
+installs the software for the first time does not care to set
+&quot;forumadmin = ma&#226;t&quot;. You can safely let this entry stay where it is,
+or remove it.
+Important is: one of the admins should also be marked as &quot;founder&quot; (I
+do not mean the &quot;founder&quot; group as created by ma&#226;t, but &quot;the user who
+has funded the forum&quot;).
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> forumadmin is implemented by the forum software if the person who
+</I>&gt;<i> installs the software for the first time does not care to set
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;forumadmin = ma&#226;t&quot;. You can safely let this entry stay where it is,
+</I>&gt;<i> or remove it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Important is: one of the admins should also be marked as &quot;founder&quot; (I
+</I>&gt;<i> do not mean the &quot;founder&quot; group as created by ma&#226;t, but &quot;the user who
+</I>&gt;<i> has funded the forum&quot;).
+</I>
+Sorry, last sentence should read:
+&quot;but the &quot;user who has founded the forum&quot;
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+:<i>)
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 21/03/2012 14:57, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there (xpost sysadmins and forums-discuss lists),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> following the steps in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-03/msg00115.html</A> I'm going to
+</I>&gt;<i> update the forums groups for sysadmin members. The culprit is that
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not in sync with LDAP so far, so it's to be manually updated.
+</I>It's already been done for all sysadmins who asked for it or simply
+needed that at least once.
+
+And they not only were put as administrator but also as forum-founders.
+
+That's why you're able to do this privileges update... i did set you
+forum-founder and that's in the straight line of what's already been
+done from the beginning.
+
+For LDAP technical sync i already explained that we could use Talend
+Jobs to get privileges and roles from LDAP and push them to the forum
+without needing a heavy code change. Once per day or once per hour or
+triggered on LDAP change...
+
+&gt;<i> Targetted situation:
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum _technical_ management people =&gt; sysadmin (includes updating
+</I>&gt;<i> the code base, reviewing and applying patches)
+</I>&gt;<i> - forum administration (roles, configuration, all that can be done
+</I>&gt;<i> through the Web interface, interfacing with sysadmin) =&gt; someone still
+</I>&gt;<i> to step up
+</I>
+I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a
+pure &quot;interface forum admin&quot; is an emasculated admin... nearly useless.
+Without the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding
+indexes for tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting
+data from apache logs and various things to lock spammers without
+loading the system, without all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts,
+not a forum admin but just a figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in
+line with adornment ^^
+
+But useless... or nearly. Well not totally... can still promote
+moderators or do moderations tasks as a &quot;supermoderator&quot; if in need of
+flattering image... once a while add a forum or tweak a few things
+(missing privileges, tweak thresholds or various subtle parameters).
+
+But such a half-admin used this way gives 5% of what he could bring to
+the community through the forums.
+
+&gt;<i> - we don't touch to user-defined groups by default (although I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Packagers/Sysadmins ones are really needed/used - they are not in
+</I>&gt;<i> sync either - but this should be dealt with future forum)
+</I>They could be of great use... i wont explain again why and how.
+
+&gt;<i> - we use the Administrators group to manage who gets to fully manage
+</I>&gt;<i> the forums (there's an extra higher level for that, but not accessible
+</I>&gt;<i> to anyone at this time). Sysadmin members are members of this group.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm reviewing the steps to do that (I will most likely kill the
+</I>&gt;<i> Sysadmins group and copy the forums users from the LDAP sysadmin group
+</I>&gt;<i> into this Administrators group).
+</I>Well really that will not change the face of the world. The 2 groups
+were separated because some sysadmins seemed so unwilling to deal with
+forums that having the 2 could allow to have some shown as sysadmin to
+anwser sysadmin things without having forum-admin privileges.
+
+But if nobody cares you can simplify. Nothing will change in the world
+but you'll have removed a group in the footer of the forum.
+
+&gt;<i> - this is for forums.mageia.org/en/ ; forums.mageia.org/de/ should be
+</I>&gt;<i> managed in the same way, but we need someone to relay the discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> in German.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oliver already answered about that.
+
+Just one comment : You could ask me for that change (You could try just
+for the fun of it on irc: maat on freenode)... it would be done in
+seconds without side effect. You could even ask for LDAP sync or perhaps
+one or two more things who knows ?
+
+m.
+
+--
+Life is magic... at least it would be if...
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+<PRE>On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+</I>&gt;<i> * Sysadmins group:
+</I>&gt;<i> - removed;
+</I>&gt;<i> * Administrators group:
+</I>&gt;<i> - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+</I>&gt;<i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+</I>&gt;<i> managed by them directly;
+</I>&gt;<i> - added boklm as leader;
+</I>&gt;<i> - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+</I>&gt;<i> for several months;
+</I>&gt;<i> - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+
+This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like
+that (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching
+user is created in LDAP directory)
+
+&gt;<i> * Moderators group:
+</I>&gt;<i> - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+</I>&gt;<i> moderators already operate).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So now:
+</I>&gt;<i> - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+</I>&gt;<i> admin&amp; moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+</I>&gt;<i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+</I>&gt;<i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+</I>&gt;<i> - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> r.
+</I>
+There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+
+ * Separation of forum administration on several &quot;roles&quot; which... oh
+ well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+ me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+ * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+ mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+ testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+ pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+ minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+ mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+ chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+ god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+ this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+ get into)
+
+That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and
+distrusted... as useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+
+(sigh)
+
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+Life is magic... or at least it would be if...
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 06:35, David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For at least the last 12 hours, with mgaapplet, I've been getting ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Installation failed, some files are missing:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/**distrib/1/i586/media/core/**">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/**distrib/1/i586/media/core/**</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates_testing/nautilus-**dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.**rpm&lt;<A HREF="http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm">http://twiska.zarb.org/mageia/distrib/1/i586/media/core/updates_testing/nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.22.mga1.i586.rpm</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this a problem with this mirror, or is there a problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> getting the i586 packages out?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw someone requesting to remove a nautilus-dropbox from updates_testing,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe the person who did it did not update the hdlists
+</I>
+Strange. It's currently undergoing qa testing for
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3641">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3641</A>
+
+Seems to have been sorted out about two hours ago, though.
+Mar 21 15:02:01 hodgins perl: [RPM] nautilus-dropbox-0.7.1-1.2.mga1.nonfree.i586 installed
+
+Looks like the .22 change to .2, was needed to fix it.
+
+Thanks, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Ma&#226;t:
+&gt;<i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Sysadmins group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - removed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Administrators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> managed by them directly;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - added boklm as leader;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for several months;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+</I>&gt;<i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
+</I>&gt;<i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
+</I>&gt;<i> created in LDAP directory)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Moderators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moderators already operate).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> admin&amp; moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Separation of forum administration on several &quot;roles&quot; which... oh
+</I>&gt;<i> well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+</I>&gt;<i> me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+</I>&gt;<i> * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+</I>&gt;<i> mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+</I>&gt;<i> testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+</I>&gt;<i> pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+</I>&gt;<i> minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+</I>&gt;<i> mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+</I>&gt;<i> chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+</I>&gt;<i> god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+</I>&gt;<i> this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+</I>&gt;<i> get into)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
+</I>&gt;<i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+</I>
+Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+
+&gt;<i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;interface forum admin&quot; is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
+</I>&gt;<i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
+</I>&gt;<i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
+</I>&gt;<i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
+</I>&gt;<i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+</I>&gt;<i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+</I>On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+These arguments from you are just laughable to me, sorry, but i,
+for one, rather like to be true than to bite my lips.
+
+For a real world example, we have a few of such pure &quot;emasculated&quot;
+interface forum admins as moderators at mandrivauser.de, and it's
+perfectly enough to care for the day-to-day forum business.
+But you seem to know much better, that's maybe also the reason
+why the int. Mageia forum is currently doing so well overall.
+
+But i'll refrain to go on about this, to keep my blood pressure at sane levels.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (sigh)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Exactly.
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+<PRE>2012/3/21 Florian Hubold &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Ma&#226;t:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Sysadmins group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - removed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Administrators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> managed by them directly;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - added boklm as leader;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for several months;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created in LDAP directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Moderators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moderators already operate).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admin&amp; &#160;moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Separation of forum administration on several &quot;roles&quot; which... oh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;get into)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;interface forum admin&quot; is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+</I>&gt;<i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+</I>&gt;<i> These arguments from you are just laughable to me, sorry, but i,
+</I>&gt;<i> for one, rather like to be true than to bite my lips.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a real world example, we have a few of such pure &quot;emasculated&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> interface forum admins as moderators at mandrivauser.de, and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly enough to care for the day-to-day forum business.
+</I>&gt;<i> But you seem to know much better, that's maybe also the reason
+</I>&gt;<i> why the int. Mageia forum is currently doing so well overall.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But i'll refrain to go on about this, to keep my blood pressure at sane levels.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (sigh)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly.
+</I>
+Not much to add to this.
+ma&#226;t, you haven't understood it many months ago, I'm not surprised
+that you don't understand it now. Setting up a forum can be done by
+somebody like you or any other guy with the necessary technical
+knowledge. Being a real admin in a forum involves more than that
+technical knowledge.
+
+But i'll refrain to go on about this, to save me from dieing of boredom.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+The 2 Mageia ARM boards are currently connected to the network behind
+valstar, so access from outside is not possible directly.
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+To give access to the boards to rtp, I forwarded ports 2221 and 2222
+from valstar to arm1 and arm2 sshd.
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+To do this, the two following commands are run in screen &quot;armbs&quot; on
+valstar :
+ socat TCP-LISTEN:2221,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm1:22
+ socat TCP-LISTEN:2222,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm2:22
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+<PRE>On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Ma&#226;t:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Sysadmins group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - removed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Administrators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> managed by them directly;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - added boklm as leader;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for several months;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> created in LDAP directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Moderators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moderators already operate).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admin&amp; moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Separation of forum administration on several &quot;roles&quot; which... oh
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> get into)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;interface forum admin&quot; is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+</I>
+TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is
+still around.
+
+Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?
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+<PRE>On 22/03/12 07:21, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he
+</I>&gt;<i> is still around.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>@ Ma&#226;t
+
+If you already know which security updates Florian is talking about,
+would you be willing and have time to do them?
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+<PRE>2012/3/22 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Ma&#226;t:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Sysadmins group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - removed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Administrators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> managed by them directly;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - added boklm as leader;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for several months;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> created in LDAP directory)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; * Moderators group:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moderators already operate).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> admin&amp; &#160; &#160;moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> r.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Separation of forum administration on several &quot;roles&quot; which... oh
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;get into)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distrusted... as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;interface forum admin&quot; is an emasculated admin... nearly useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> apache
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is
+</I>&gt;<i> still around.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?
+</I>
+He is talking about the update of the forum software phpBB3. The
+version used at Mageia is outdated since summer 2011. New versions of
+phpBB3 almost always are caused by security issues. This has been
+mentioned several times in the forum threads. The point is that the
+implementation of the forum software at Mageia (involving puppet,
+etc.) was done this way to &quot;ease forum software maintenance&quot; (quoting
+ma&#226;t). :)
+
+And yes, TBH as well, Marja, after the forums were installed last year
+it would not have made much difference if ma&#226;t had left completely a
+year ago.
+
+--
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/3/22 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 22/03/12 07:21, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21/03/12 23:34, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/21 Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still around.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you please give a link to the updates you just mentioned?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @ Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you already know which security updates Florian is talking about, would
+</I>&gt;<i> you be willing and have time to do them?
+</I>
+He knows for a long time, he has been asked about this months ago.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you already know which security updates Florian is talking about, would
+</I>&gt;<i> you be willing and have time to do them?
+</I>
+forums setup will be managed by sysadmin team now, so we will look at
+this soon. First testing the update on a VM then do it on the server.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/22 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still around.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yes, TBH as well, Marja, after the forums were installed last year
+</I>&gt;<i> it would not have made much difference if ma&#226;t had left completely a
+</I>&gt;<i> year ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So it was wrong of me to say that, because apparently it helps polarisation.
+
+:<i>(
+</I>
+I feel rotten, I very much like you all, including Ma&#226;t.
+
+
+
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+&gt;<i> On 22/03/12 08:18, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/22 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> TBH, Florian, I would have left completely if I had been him, but he is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> still around.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And yes, TBH as well, Marja, after the forums were installed last year
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it would not have made much difference if ma&#226;t had left completely a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> year ago.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it was wrong of me to say that, because apparently it helps polarisation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel rotten, I very much like you all, including Ma&#226;t.
+</I>
+Don't feel bad - after all this is not a matter of &quot;liking&quot; a person
+or not. There are people who I do not like but I'd never write
+something bad about them as long as they are doing their &quot;job&quot;. OTOH I
+would suggest to somebody to quit if he does not do his job, whether I
+like him or not. This is what it's about, nothing else. It's not a
+personal or even emotional matter.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)</B>
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>Hi,
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 2 Mageia ARM boards are currently connected to the network behind
+</I>&gt;<i> valstar, so access from outside is not possible directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To give access to the boards to rtp, I forwarded ports 2221 and 2222
+</I>&gt;<i> from valstar to arm1 and arm2 sshd.
+</I>
+Thanks, I've managed to connect to them but it looks like there's no
+connectivity. It's a little bit annoying as this means:
+
+- wrong date. QSB boards don't have any battery for rtc so they're
+currently in 1970 :)
+- no way to rsync somewhere my repo. imho, mageia systems should be the
+primary mirror for arm stuff.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To do this, the two following commands are run in screen &quot;armbs&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> valstar :
+</I>&gt;<i> socat TCP-LISTEN:2221,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm1:22
+</I>&gt;<i> socat TCP-LISTEN:2222,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm2:22
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (so we will need to restart this after a reboot, or find a better
+</I>&gt;<i> solution to do it)
+</I>
+maybe ipv6 ?
+
+Thanks,
+Arnaud
+</PRE>
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+FYI, I tested the three HDD we removed with rtp, misc, boklm and I when
+we went to Marseille in February. The test was to send HDD to Western
+Digital for an exchange (5y waranty).
+I used:
+- smartctl --test=long /dev/sdX
+- UBCD and Western Digital tool for extended Smart test and low format
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+In fact... The three HDD are safe! None is having issue as smartmontools
+was reporting it on ecosse or valstar...
+My idea is that the Mandriva kernel was having an issue reporting smart
+info or the controler of the servers was having problems.
+But if it was the second option, why don't we have smart error anymore
+now with Mageia 1 and new HDDs?
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+So, the old HDD are now part of Mageia.Org spare hardware.
+- WD1002FAEX
+- WD1002FAEX
+- WD2001FASS
+
+I will launch a full smart test tomorrow on all the HDDs of our BS.
+I will keep you in touch if something is going wrong.
+
+Dams
+--
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 22 mars 2012 &#224; 00:24 +0100, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 2 Mageia ARM boards are currently connected to the network behind
+</I>&gt;<i> valstar, so access from outside is not possible directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To give access to the boards to rtp, I forwarded ports 2221 and 2222
+</I>&gt;<i> from valstar to arm1 and arm2 sshd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To do this, the two following commands are run in screen &quot;armbs&quot; on
+</I>&gt;<i> valstar :
+</I>&gt;<i> socat TCP-LISTEN:2221,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm1:22
+</I>&gt;<i> socat TCP-LISTEN:2222,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody TCP4:arm2:22
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (so we will need to restart this after a reboot, or find a better
+</I>&gt;<i> solution to do it)
+</I>
+I am still amazed to see that no one ever know xinetd can do that since
+years
+<A HREF="http://adamantsys.com/node/116">http://adamantsys.com/node/116</A>
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+and people always take the more complex way of either using socat,
+netcat, iptables, or complex tunnel system.
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 14:27, Arnaud Patard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">arnaud.patard at rtp-net.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - no way to rsync somewhere my repo. imho, mageia systems should be the
+</I>&gt;<i> primary mirror for arm stuff.
+</I>
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+I think valstar should be the reference.
+Maybe we can add a module on rsync server with you IP is allowed to write to
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+<PRE>We seem to reject all mails to MLs on alamut:
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+Mar 22 20:18:08 alamut postfix/smtpd[1384]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
+valstar.mageia.org[212.85.158.147]: 450 4.1.1 &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">packages-commits at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt;: Recipient address rejected: User unknown
+in local recipient table; from=&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">schedbot at valstar.mageia.org</A>&gt; to=&lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">packages-commits at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt; proto=ESMTP helo=&lt;valstar.mageia.org&gt;
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+Mar 22 20:18:08 alamut postfix/smtpd[1385]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
+valstar.mageia.org[212.85.158.147]: 450 4.1.1 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">changelog at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=&lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">schedbot at valstar.mageia.org</A>&gt; to=&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">changelog at ml.mageia.org</A>&gt; proto=ESMTP helo=&lt;
+valstar.mageia.org&gt;
+
+Reported by AL13N as bugzilla fails to send email and gives an error
+
+On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 15:18, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> **
+</I>&gt;<i> Revision 2674 Author misc Date 2012-03-22 16:18:24 +0100 (Thu, 22 Mar
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012) Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/manifests/nodes/alamut.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmanifestsnodesalamutpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/manifests/nodes/krampouezh.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmanifestsnodeskrampouezhpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/init.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmodulespostfixmanifestsinitpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added Paths
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/primary.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmodulespostfixmanifestsserverprimarypp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/secondary.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmodulespostfixmanifestsserversecondarypp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmodulespostfixmanifestsserverpp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/simple_relay.pp&lt;#1363afcdfc8acd3f_puppetmodulespostfixmanifestssimple_relaypp&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: puppet/manifests/nodes/alamut.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/manifests/nodes/alamut.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:21 UTC (rev 2673)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/manifests/nodes/alamut.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> include transifex
+</I>&gt;<i> include bugzilla
+</I>&gt;<i> include sympa::server
+</I>&gt;<i> - include postfix::primary_smtp
+</I>&gt;<i> + include postfix::server::primary
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # temporary, just the time the vm is running there
+</I>&gt;<i> host { 'friteuse':
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: puppet/manifests/nodes/krampouezh.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/manifests/nodes/krampouezh.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:21 UTC (rev 2673)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/manifests/nodes/krampouezh.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> #
+</I>&gt;<i> #include common::default_mageia_server
+</I>&gt;<i> include common::default_mageia_server_no_smtp
+</I>&gt;<i> - include postfix::secondary_smtp
+</I>&gt;<i> + include postfix::server::secondary
+</I>&gt;<i> include blog::base
+</I>&gt;<i> include blog::db_backup
+</I>&gt;<i> include mysql::server
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/init.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/init.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:21 UTC (rev 2673)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/init.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,71 +1,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> class postfix {
+</I>&gt;<i> - class base {
+</I>&gt;<i> - package { [postfix,nail]: }
+</I>&gt;<i> + package { ['postfix', 'nail']: }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - service { postfix:
+</I>&gt;<i> - subscribe =&gt; Package['postfix'],
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - file { '/etc/postfix/main.cf':
+</I>&gt;<i> - require =&gt; Package[&quot;postfix&quot;],
+</I>&gt;<i> - content =&gt; &quot;&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> - notify =&gt; Service['postfix'],
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> + service { 'postfix':
+</I>&gt;<i> + subscribe =&gt; Package['postfix'],
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - class simple_relay inherits base {
+</I>&gt;<i> - File['/etc/postfix/main.cf'] {
+</I>&gt;<i> - content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/simple_relay_main.cf&quot;),
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> + file { '/etc/postfix/main.cf':
+</I>&gt;<i> + require =&gt; Package['postfix'],
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; '',
+</I>&gt;<i> + notify =&gt; Service['postfix'],
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - class smtp_server inherits base {
+</I>&gt;<i> - include postgrey
+</I>&gt;<i> - include amavis
+</I>&gt;<i> - include spamassassin
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - File['/etc/postfix/main.cf'] {
+</I>&gt;<i> - content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/main.cf&quot;),
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - file { '/etc/postfix/transport_regexp':
+</I>&gt;<i> - content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/transport_regexp&quot;),
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - class primary_smtp inherits smtp_server {
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - package { &quot;postfix-ldap&quot;: }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - # council is here until we fully decide who has aliases in com team,
+</I>&gt;<i> - # see <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - # alumini is a special group for tracking previous members of
+</I>&gt;<i> - # the project, so they keep their aliases for a time
+</I>&gt;<i> - $aliases_group = ['mga-founders','mga-packagers',
+</I>&gt;<i> - 'mga-sysadmin','mga-council',
+</I>&gt;<i> - 'mga-alumni','mga-i18n-committers',
+</I>&gt;<i> - ]
+</I>&gt;<i> - $ldap_password = extlookup(&quot;postfix_ldap&quot;,'x')
+</I>&gt;<i> - $ldap_servers = get_ldap_servers()
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - file {
+</I>&gt;<i> - '/etc/postfix/master.cf': content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/primary_master.cf&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - '/etc/postfix/ldap_aliases.conf': content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/ldap_aliases.conf&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - # TODO merge the file with the previous one, for common part (ldap, etc)
+</I>&gt;<i> - '/etc/postfix/group_aliases.conf': content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/group_aliases.conf&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - # TODO make it conditional to the presence of sympa
+</I>&gt;<i> - '/etc/postfix/sympa_aliases': content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/sympa_aliases&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - '/etc/postfix/virtual_aliases': content =&gt; template(&quot;postfix/virtual_aliases&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - exec { &quot;postmap /etc/postfix/virtual_aliases&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i> - refreshonly =&gt; true,
+</I>&gt;<i> - subscribe =&gt; File['/etc/postfix/virtual_aliases'],
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;<i> - class secondary_smtp inherits smtp_server {
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/primary.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/primary.pp (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/primary.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +class postfix::server::primary inherits postfix::server {
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + package { 'postfix-ldap': }
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + # council is here until we fully decide who has aliases in com team,
+</I>&gt;<i> + # see <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> + # alumini is a special group for tracking previous members of
+</I>&gt;<i> + # the project, so they keep their aliases for a time
+</I>&gt;<i> + $aliases_group = ['mga-founders',
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'mga-packagers',
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'mga-sysadmin',
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'mga-council',
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'mga-alumni',
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'mga-i18n-committers']
+</I>&gt;<i> + $ldap_password = extlookup('postfix_ldap','x')
+</I>&gt;<i> + $ldap_servers = get_ldap_servers()
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + file {
+</I>&gt;<i> + '/etc/postfix/master.cf':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/primary_master.cf');
+</I>&gt;<i> + '/etc/postfix/ldap_aliases.conf':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/ldap_aliases.conf');
+</I>&gt;<i> + # TODO merge the file with the previous one, for common part (ldap, etc)
+</I>&gt;<i> + '/etc/postfix/group_aliases.conf':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/group_aliases.conf');
+</I>&gt;<i> + # TODO make it conditional to the presence of sympa
+</I>&gt;<i> + '/etc/postfix/sympa_aliases':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/sympa_aliases');
+</I>&gt;<i> + '/etc/postfix/virtual_aliases':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/virtual_aliases');
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + exec { 'postmap /etc/postfix/virtual_aliases':
+</I>&gt;<i> + refreshonly =&gt; true,
+</I>&gt;<i> + subscribe =&gt; File['/etc/postfix/virtual_aliases'],
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/secondary.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/secondary.pp (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server/secondary.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +class postfix::server::secondary inherits postfix::server { }
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server.pp (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/server.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +class postfix::server inherits postfix {
+</I>&gt;<i> + include postgrey
+</I>&gt;<i> + include amavis
+</I>&gt;<i> + include spamassassin
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + File['/etc/postfix/main.cf'] {
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/main.cf'),
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +
+</I>&gt;<i> + file { '/etc/postfix/transport_regexp':
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/transport_regexp'),
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>&gt;<i> Added: puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/simple_relay.pp
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/simple_relay.pp (rev 0)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ puppet/modules/postfix/manifests/simple_relay.pp 2012-03-22 15:18:24 UTC (rev 2674)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> +class postfix::simple_relay inherits postfix {
+</I>&gt;<i> + File['/etc/postfix/main.cf'] {
+</I>&gt;<i> + content =&gt; template('postfix/simple_relay_main.cf'),
+</I>&gt;<i> + }
+</I>&gt;<i> +}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> We seem to reject all mails to MLs on alamut:
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+gosh, forgot this hack with the tags in the template.
+sorry.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 22 mars 2012 &#224; 08:18 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> He is talking about the update of the forum software phpBB3. The
+</I>&gt;<i> version used at Mageia is outdated since summer 2011. New versions of
+</I>&gt;<i> phpBB3 almost always are caused by security issues. This has been
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned several times in the forum threads. The point is that the
+</I>&gt;<i> implementation of the forum software at Mageia (involving puppet,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc.) was done this way to &quot;ease forum software maintenance&quot; (quoting
+</I>&gt;<i> ma&#226;t). :)
+</I>
+Strictly speaking, what would have really helped the maintenance would
+have been to use :
+- a forum properly packaged, not one requiring specific deployment
+process like the current setup we have. Packages solved part of the
+problem since 15 years, maybe it would be a good moment to start using
+them.
+- a forum that do not requires to patch it for adding features
+- a forum that do not requires update on a regular basis.
+
+But since people could neither wait nor volunteered to do the work
+properly ( ie, real packages, or selecting a cleaner forum ), the
+current setup is the best we could have achieved in the given time frame
+( and with the constraint of &quot;we will need to open lots of new forums&quot;,
+and now, there is ... 2 ).
+
+We are open to discuss patches or even constructive comments to the
+puppet setup, but it seems that no one sent anything at all. I have
+justified everything we did, and the reason for not having a free for
+all system due to privacy and security requirements that I explained
+enough to not repeat myself.
+
+I either didn't see any pull request of patch to upgrade the forum in
+git, nor any request to have write access to the aforementioned git by
+anyone. While I can imagine that puppet, despite being dead easy and
+very well documented, is too complex for a hobbyist sysadmin, I do not
+think that git is a so obscure and unknown technology that no one ever
+tried to do anything with it.
+
+Also, it seemed obvious to me that security issues should be treated
+like the rest of the issues, on bugzilla and not on forums. I still see
+no bug opened for that on the bug tracker.
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+I can't reach the forums, the wiki or the bugzilla.
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+<PRE>2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 22 mars 2012 &#224; 08:18 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He is talking about the update of the forum software phpBB3. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version used at Mageia is outdated since summer 2011. New versions of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> phpBB3 almost always are caused by security issues. This has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentioned several times in the forum threads. The point is that the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> implementation of the forum software at Mageia (involving puppet,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc.) was done this way to &quot;ease forum software maintenance&quot; (quoting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ma&#226;t). :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strictly speaking, what would have really helped the maintenance would
+</I>&gt;<i> have been to use :
+</I>&gt;<i> - a forum properly packaged, not one requiring specific deployment
+</I>&gt;<i> process like the current setup we have. Packages solved part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem since 15 years, maybe it would be a good moment to start using
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;<i> - a forum that do not requires to patch it for adding features
+</I>&gt;<i> - a forum that do not requires update on a regular basis.
+</I>
+ - I know not much about packaging (just the essentials). But I doubt
+there would be benefits by having a package for the forum software.
+Quite to the contrary, a simple change of a character in one of the
+php files would cause the need of an update of the whole package,
+while as is you just need to exchange this one php file. If there
+would be a benefit I guess there would have been phpBB packages for
+years, phpBB being the most popular forum software, not only in the
+Linux world. Ok, a weak point, I admit.
+
+ - How would you implement requested features which are not available
+in the forum software other than by &quot;MODs&quot; (which is the same as a
+patch?
+
+ - every php based forum software I know (I think I know almost all of
+them at least from testing) gets regular updates from upstream. Most
+of the changes between versions are not added functionalities or nicer
+looks (where implementing an update could be a matter of discussions)
+but needed bug fixes and even more needed security fixes. That's why
+updates are unavoidable and should be done in due time. If you know a
+forum software with equal functionality and which does not require
+such updates, great, let's have it!
+
+&gt;<i> We are open to discuss patches or even constructive comments to the
+</I>&gt;<i> puppet setup, but it seems that no one sent anything at all. I have
+</I>&gt;<i> justified everything we did, and the reason for not having a free for
+</I>&gt;<i> all system due to privacy and security requirements that I explained
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to not repeat myself.
+</I>
+Exactly these (privacy &amp; security) are the reasons for forum software
+updates. To me the current implementation was explained as a way to
+ease maintenance. That's why I (and others) asked in the forum why
+needed updates were not installed. I asked this in the forum because
+for a forum user the forum admin is the right person to contact, not
+any other group or person, not any other platform.
+
+&gt;<i> I either didn't see any pull request of patch to upgrade the forum in
+</I>&gt;<i> git, nor any request to have write access to the aforementioned git by
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone. While I can imagine that puppet, despite being dead easy and
+</I>&gt;<i> very well documented, is too complex for a hobbyist sysadmin, I do not
+</I>&gt;<i> think that git is a so obscure and unknown technology that no one ever
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to do anything with it.
+</I>
+Maintaining the forum (implementing modifications, updates or starting
+these by creating a bug report or whatever needed) is the most
+prominent task of the forum admin, there's not much else for him to
+do. It is not the user's job to care for such things. Ma&#226;t himself
+even explained the workflow once in the forum, so he knew exactly what
+to do. So, if you blame somebody about missing requests or whatever,
+pls knock on the right door.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, it seemed obvious to me that security issues should be treated
+</I>&gt;<i> like the rest of the issues, on bugzilla and not on forums. I still see
+</I>&gt;<i> no bug opened for that on the bug tracker.
+</I>
+You're right, it's no topic for forum discussions. If updates are
+available upstream, the admin should open a bugreport, adding an
+&quot;important&quot; tag to ensure that it is done in due time. This was never
+done.
+
+Summary: this discussion only started because somebody did not do his
+job (whatever reason). Hopefully exchanging people on the relevant
+position will improve the situation.
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't reach the forums, the wiki or the bugzilla.
+</I>
+Experienced the same while non-Mageia sites are answering ok. Failure
+was existant for 12 minutes.
+
+&gt;<i> Alamut does answer to pings, so I think it's just the httpd being down?
+</I>
+I did a traceroute to alamut, looks normal.
+
+The phenomenon is over, pages answer normally.
+
+In the forum other users reported such occasional incidents with
+Mageia pages recently.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 24 mars 2012 &#224; 12:22 +0100, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't reach the forums, the wiki or the bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i> Alamut does answer to pings, so I think it's just the httpd being down?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could anyone have a look, thanks
+</I>
+This was the result of applying php updates, and it seems that apache
+was not able to restart itself after it, and died silently. Usually,
+that's the sign of some long running process blocking one single apache
+process, thus blocking everything.
+
+I guess revamping the whole system, either on rpm level ( ie, having non
+breaking upgrade ), or on the organisation level ( like having specific
+upgrade time and stick to it ) would prevent such problems in the
+future, but I do not have hope for neither being adopted soon.
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+Puppet restarted it automatically so that's why the problem fixed
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+<PRE>Le samedi 24 mars 2012 &#224; 12:48 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le jeudi 22 mars 2012 &#224; 08:18 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; He is talking about the update of the forum software phpBB3. The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; version used at Mageia is outdated since summer 2011. New versions of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; phpBB3 almost always are caused by security issues. This has been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mentioned several times in the forum threads. The point is that the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; implementation of the forum software at Mageia (involving puppet,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; etc.) was done this way to &quot;ease forum software maintenance&quot; (quoting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ma&#226;t). :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Strictly speaking, what would have really helped the maintenance would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have been to use :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a forum properly packaged, not one requiring specific deployment
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; process like the current setup we have. Packages solved part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem since 15 years, maybe it would be a good moment to start using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a forum that do not requires to patch it for adding features
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a forum that do not requires update on a regular basis.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - I know not much about packaging (just the essentials).
+</I>
+I know packaging, and more than &quot;the essentials&quot;, I also know system
+administration, and also more the essential, partly because that's my
+job.
+
+&gt;<i> But I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> there would be benefits by having a package for the forum software.
+</I>&gt;<i> Quite to the contrary, a simple change of a character in one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> php files would cause the need of an update of the whole package,
+</I>&gt;<i> while as is you just need to exchange this one php file. If there
+</I>&gt;<i> would be a benefit I guess there would have been phpBB packages for
+</I>&gt;<i> years, phpBB being the most popular forum software, not only in the
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux world. Ok, a weak point, I admit.
+</I>
+The point is indeed weak.
+
+For the start, having a package would ease the testing, since right now,
+people just have no clue on how to replicate our setup. There is the
+puppet manifests, but I take for granted that the intersection of those
+that know how to use them and those interested into testing phpbb is
+near 0.
+
+Second part of having a package is that it would benefit to others if in
+the distribution. It would also ease the management of version by the QA
+( cause if stuff is really important, you want to have it checked before
+it goes live ).
+
+Another idea is to detect when there is change in the php files, by
+using the rpm -V feature. That's quite handy when there is a problem
+( again speaking of experience ).
+
+And having a rpm in the distribution also mean that we can benefit from
+the whole framework on making sure this is up to date, making sure that
+basic quality is respected, etc. Something that is far from being the
+case with a random zip taken from the web, especially from php software.
+And I do not even talk of more complex security system like tomoyo or
+selinux.
+
+It also mean that the packager is following the update policy, which is
+here to prevent unwanted breakage by minimizing changes.
+
+A package also mean we know what we can remove from the server, or what
+we need. If we say &quot;phpbb need php-zip&quot;, we know that the 2nd need to
+have a packager, or we are in trouble.
+
+If we wanted to use slackware-style package on our servers, we would
+have done so.
+
+
+Oh, and there is package for phpbb in debian. So the lack of package in
+mageia just show that no one is interested into it, and show there isn't
+much correlation about what users would want and what people are
+interested to do.
+
+
+&gt;<i> - How would you implement requested features which are not available
+</I>&gt;<i> in the forum software other than by &quot;MODs&quot; (which is the same as a
+</I>&gt;<i> patch?
+</I>
+Usually, with well designed software, that work with plugins. Of course,
+with some stuff, that goes by &quot;let's duplicate the source code and deal
+with merging source code update&quot;. There is ton of example of why this is
+wrong ( search &quot;technical debt&quot; on a search engine for lots of articles
+on the topic ), hence the need to use a software properly designed, and
+to stay in a well designed process.
+
+For example, bugzilla has a rather clean API in the version 4.0.
+Firefox, evolution, kde, all can be extended because they were designed
+this way.
+
+In fact, every single software that we can consider extendable in the
+world has some form of plugin system, . Except for some web application,
+because people are too impatient or too enthusiast to do stuff more
+slowly and properly, because it take time to design a proper API.
+
+And that's not because others application are harder to edit. There is
+lots of python, ruby and perl application out there that are no more
+harder to edit in place than php. And yet, coders usually add extensions
+system rather than telling &quot;just edit the file and that's it&quot;.
+
+We did take the &quot;let's patch bugzilla to death&quot; during the mandrake era.
+This ended with a outdated bugzilla.
+
+And frankly, the whole idea of mod is a sign that phpbb is not suitable
+out of the box, as I said in the past. So while maybe the others are not
+either, that's still a signal that something is wrong.
+
+&gt;<i> - every php based forum software I know (I think I know almost all of
+</I>&gt;<i> them at least from testing) gets regular updates from upstream. Most
+</I>&gt;<i> of the changes between versions are not added functionalities or nicer
+</I>&gt;<i> looks (where implementing an update could be a matter of discussions)
+</I>&gt;<i> but needed bug fixes and even more needed security fixes. That's why
+</I>&gt;<i> updates are unavoidable and should be done in due time. If you know a
+</I>&gt;<i> forum software with equal functionality and which does not require
+</I>&gt;<i> such updates, great, let's have it!
+</I>
+I never said that update should not be done in due time. But the fact
+that you need to patch the software is a clear blocker for doing
+upgrade. There is unit test in place in phpbb to ease everything, but I
+doubt that coders who know how to write tests would be ok with the whole
+&quot;patching the code&quot; style of extensions.
+
+And that's also a point for having a package in the distribution, where
+we have a proper process for upgrade. There is nothing more special
+about the forum software than for the rest of the system that would
+warrant being treated differently.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; We are open to discuss patches or even constructive comments to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; puppet setup, but it seems that no one sent anything at all. I have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; justified everything we did, and the reason for not having a free for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; all system due to privacy and security requirements that I explained
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; enough to not repeat myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly these (privacy &amp; security) are the reasons for forum software
+</I>&gt;<i> updates. To me the current implementation was explained as a way to
+</I>&gt;<i> ease maintenance.
+</I>
+Easing doesn't mean &quot;give a magical wand to do upgrade&quot;. If no one do
+it, it just doesn't happen.
+
+&gt;<i> That's why I (and others) asked in the forum why
+</I>&gt;<i> needed updates were not installed. I asked this in the forum because
+</I>&gt;<i> for a forum user the forum admin is the right person to contact, not
+</I>&gt;<i> any other group or person, not any other platform.
+</I>
+There is what people may think regarding who to contact, and the
+reality. If the 2 doesn't match, that's usually the reality that win.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; I either didn't see any pull request of patch to upgrade the forum in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; git, nor any request to have write access to the aforementioned git by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anyone. While I can imagine that puppet, despite being dead easy and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; very well documented, is too complex for a hobbyist sysadmin, I do not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; think that git is a so obscure and unknown technology that no one ever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tried to do anything with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maintaining the forum (implementing modifications, updates or starting
+</I>&gt;<i> these by creating a bug report or whatever needed) is the most
+</I>&gt;<i> prominent task of the forum admin, there's not much else for him to
+</I>&gt;<i> do. It is not the user's job to care for such things. Ma&#226;t himself
+</I>&gt;<i> even explained the workflow once in the forum, so he knew exactly what
+</I>&gt;<i> to do. So, if you blame somebody about missing requests or whatever,
+</I>&gt;<i> pls knock on the right door.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From my point of view, everybody can open a bug report or send patches.
+</I>No one did, and you can say as much as you want &quot;this is not my fault&quot;,
+that will not change anything nor retroactively make bug reports appear.
+
+I would add that if people have a pretension to become admin or
+anything, they should at least attempt to act as such. Ie, sending
+patchs, etc.
+
+The last &quot;git push&quot; is not harder than &quot;git send-email&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Also, it seemed obvious to me that security issues should be treated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; like the rest of the issues, on bugzilla and not on forums. I still see
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no bug opened for that on the bug tracker.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right, it's no topic for forum discussions. If updates are
+</I>&gt;<i> available upstream, the admin should open a bugreport, adding an
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;important&quot; tag to ensure that it is done in due time. This was never
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary: this discussion only started because somebody did not do his
+</I>&gt;<i> job (whatever reason). Hopefully exchanging people on the relevant
+</I>&gt;<i> position will improve the situation.
+</I>
+No, the discussion started because no one did the job. We are not
+Mandriva, there is not &quot;someone is in charge so I do nothing&quot; bullshit
+state of mind with the company and the rest of the world separation. The
+system is open enough that someone skilled enough and motivated enough
+can do most of the job, except the last step.
+
+If people were really concerned on contributing instead of speaking how
+they would want to do something or how others didn't do what they
+wanted, they would have done something.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I can't reach the forums, the wiki or the bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i> Alamut does answer to pings, so I think it's just the httpd being down?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could anyone have a look, thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Seems someone restarted apache but it was not enough:
+&quot;no listening sockets available, shutting down&quot;
+So, I killed apache process then restarted httpd service.
+It's now working.
+
+Dams
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+<PRE>2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 24 mars 2012 &#224; 12:48 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I doubt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there would be benefits by having a package for the forum software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Quite to the contrary, a simple change of a character in one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> php files would cause the need of an update of the whole package,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while as is you just need to exchange this one php file. If there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be a benefit I guess there would have been phpBB packages for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> years, phpBB being the most popular forum software, not only in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux world. Ok, a weak point, I admit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the start, having a package would ease the testing, since right now,
+</I>&gt;<i> people just have no clue on how to replicate our setup. There is the
+</I>&gt;<i> puppet manifests, but I take for granted that the intersection of those
+</I>&gt;<i> that know how to use them and those interested into testing phpbb is
+</I>&gt;<i> near 0.
+</I>
+Right. Why? Because even those who have experience in phpBB forum
+maintenance and php are not familiar of the setup used at Mageia.
+
+&gt;<i> Second part of having a package is that it would benefit to others if in
+</I>&gt;<i> the distribution. It would also ease the management of version by the QA
+</I>&gt;<i> ( cause if stuff is really important, you want to have it checked before
+</I>&gt;<i> it goes live ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another idea is to detect when there is change in the php files, by
+</I>&gt;<i> using the rpm -V feature. That's quite handy when there is a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> ( again speaking of experience ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And having a rpm in the distribution also mean that we can benefit from
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole framework on making sure this is up to date, making sure that
+</I>&gt;<i> basic quality is respected, etc. Something that is far from being the
+</I>&gt;<i> case with a random zip taken from the web, especially from php software.
+</I>&gt;<i> And I do not even talk of more complex security system like tomoyo or
+</I>&gt;<i> selinux.
+</I>
+Well, the phpBB community is very large, involving people on all
+levels of knowledge related to web applications and system
+administration. Regarding the software being released from them as not
+up to date and far from basic quality seems to me a bit ...
+&quot;exaggerating&quot;.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- How would you implement requested features which are not available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the forum software other than by &quot;MODs&quot; (which is the same as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> patch?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, with well designed software, that work with plugins. Of course,
+</I>&gt;<i> with some stuff, that goes by &quot;let's duplicate the source code and deal
+</I>&gt;<i> with merging source code update&quot;. There is ton of example of why this is
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong ( search &quot;technical debt&quot; on a search engine for lots of articles
+</I>&gt;<i> on the topic ), hence the need to use a software properly designed, and
+</I>&gt;<i> to stay in a well designed process.
+</I>
+Ok, so your point is that phpBB is not the software you want to use.
+This is a point I understand and would accept, you explained the
+points very well. But I don't know if there is a software with same
+functionality which would qualify and if there is it would mean a lot
+of work to switch.
+
+&gt;<i> And frankly, the whole idea of mod is a sign that phpbb is not suitable
+</I>&gt;<i> out of the box, as I said in the past. So while maybe the others are not
+</I>&gt;<i> either, that's still a signal that something is wrong.
+</I>
+Ok, what can be done about that?
+
+&gt;<i> From my point of view, everybody can open a bug report or send patches.
+</I>&gt;<i> No one did, and you can say as much as you want &quot;this is not my fault&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> that will not change anything nor retroactively make bug reports appear.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would add that if people have a pretension to become admin or
+</I>&gt;<i> anything, they should at least attempt to act as such. Ie, sending
+</I>&gt;<i> patchs, etc.
+</I>
+I haven't met anybody in the international forum with a pretention to
+become admin in the way you see it.
+
+&gt;<i> No, the discussion started because no one did the job. We are not
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, there is not &quot;someone is in charge so I do nothing&quot; bullshit
+</I>&gt;<i> state of mind with the company and the rest of the world separation. The
+</I>&gt;<i> system is open enough that someone skilled enough and motivated enough
+</I>&gt;<i> can do most of the job, except the last step.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If people were really concerned on contributing instead of speaking how
+</I>&gt;<i> they would want to do something or how others didn't do what they
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted, they would have done something.
+</I>
+Yes, all correct in general and it would surely have happened like
+this in the Mageia forum as well. But:
+If there is an admin in place (even somebody who claims that there are
+enough admins), if this admin keeps responding to questions in the
+forum about a missing update and other requests by explaining how it
+will be done and what is needed and that it will be done as soon as
+possible - why should anyone of the users should write a bug report?
+
+Of course I can only speak for myself. There was a time when I was
+concerned on contributing, especially in the forum area. But after
+some discussions I got the impression that ma&#226;t did not need
+contributions. I do not insist on contributing if it seems to be not
+wanted by the person who was the responsible person for this area. If
+you regard this to be caused by my ego, no problem.
+
+Overall I agree to most of your points after your explanations, thx
+for taking the time.
+
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+<PRE>Op zondag 25 maart 2012 08:24:31 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>[...]
+
+I do agree with misc that software used by mageia shouldn't be different from
+what we package.
+
+I also agree that having nice plugins is alot better than patching code, this
+makes for a nice and stable and tested upgrade path.
+
+i'm not against phpBB or php in general, i kinda like php, it has it's good
+points.
+
+but nothing prevents people to implement a proper and documented API, in any
+reasonable language.
+
+take for example squirrelmail. it has alot of plugins and they don't require
+patching (except, some do, and that goes to show that the API could have been
+better)
+
+another example is drupal, etc...
+
+
+of course, i can understand it if no sysadmin wants to keep a patched software
+up2date where mageia doesn't have a package...
+
+if there had been a package, a packager could have been doing upgrades instead
+of only a sysadmin. and a sysadmin would've happily done the upgrade of a
+well-tested application.
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+<PRE>2012/3/25 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 25 maart 2012 08:24:31 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do agree with misc that software used by mageia shouldn't be different from
+</I>&gt;<i> what we package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also agree that having nice plugins is alot better than patching code, this
+</I>&gt;<i> makes for a nice and stable and tested upgrade path.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm not against phpBB or php in general, i kinda like php, it has it's good
+</I>&gt;<i> points.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but nothing prevents people to implement a proper and documented API, in any
+</I>&gt;<i> reasonable language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> take for example squirrelmail. it has alot of plugins and they don't require
+</I>&gt;<i> patching (except, some do, and that goes to show that the API could have been
+</I>&gt;<i> better)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> another example is drupal, etc...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> of course, i can understand it if no sysadmin wants to keep a patched software
+</I>&gt;<i> up2date where mageia doesn't have a package...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if there had been a package, a packager could have been doing upgrades instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of only a sysadmin. and a sysadmin would've happily done the upgrade of a
+</I>&gt;<i> well-tested application.
+</I>
+But there were no Mageia packages available nor were they installed. I
+don't know why this was not discussed before forums were implemented
+(or was it?) but that's not the issue now. As I understand the current
+situation there are only 2 options:
+ - pack a package, remove the installed system and install the package
+(including language packages) and transfer the databases or
+ - go on with the current system and find a better workflow to react
+to upstream updates and customizing requests.
+
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> But there were no Mageia packages available nor were they installed. I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know why this was not discussed before forums were implemented
+</I>&gt;<i> (or was it?) but that's not the issue now. As I understand the current
+</I>&gt;<i> situation there are only 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> - pack a package, remove the installed system and install the package
+</I>&gt;<i> (including language packages) and transfer the databases or
+</I>&gt;<i> - go on with the current system and find a better workflow to react
+</I>&gt;<i> to upstream updates and customizing requests.
+</I>
+I think it's been discussed to death really, but i can be wrong.
+
+well maybe that's true, but is this something to be focussed on at this very
+moment? imho it can likely wait until after mga2 (unless pending security
+updates)
+
+otoh: any packager can make a phpbb package (or other forum software) and it
+can even be pushed onto mga2 until release freeze.
+
+is there even a request for it on bugzilla?
+
+even if we take the second option, still, some packager will have to make a
+package for it.
+</PRE>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As mentioned in last IRC meeting, we need to elect sysadmin team
+</I>&gt;<i> representative, and deputy, for council. Anybody from sysadmin team can
+</I>&gt;<i> be candidate. If you are candidate, you need to answer to this email to
+</I>&gt;<i> say you are candidate, before next monday when the vote will be started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Planning for election :
+</I>&gt;<i> - 20/03 to 26/03 at 19:00 UTC: candidates send an email to say that they are
+</I>&gt;<i> candidate
+</I>
+So I'm sending this email to say I will be candidate for this.
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+&gt;<i> Op zondag 25 maart 2012 17:49:27 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But there were no Mageia packages available nor were they installed. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't know why this was not discussed before forums were implemented
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or was it?) but that's not the issue now. As I understand the current
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> situation there are only 2 options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- pack a package, remove the installed system and install the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (including language packages) and transfer the databases or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- go on with the current system and find a better workflow to react
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to upstream updates and customizing requests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's been discussed to death really, but i can be wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well maybe that's true, but is this something to be focussed on at this very
+</I>&gt;<i> moment? imho it can likely wait until after mga2 (unless pending security
+</I>&gt;<i> updates)
+</I>
+We were not talking about a simple software package for the
+distribution (although this is certainly an option). We were talking
+about the Mageia forums and what to do with the needed update to the
+forum software, and, yes, the 2 official updates of phpBB3 which we
+missed include several security fixes.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We were not talking about a simple software package for the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution (although this is certainly an option). We were talking
+</I>&gt;<i> about the Mageia forums and what to do with the needed update to the
+</I>&gt;<i> forum software, and, yes, the 2 official updates of phpBB3 which we
+</I>&gt;<i> missed include several security fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Please be as kind as to open bug reports for them, including the links
+to the security issues that are solved by those updates.
+
+We've had a lot of security bug reports so far, see
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE</A> because many of
+our packagers missed the news about security fixes or were too busy to
+take proper action. Luckily some people took the trouble to open reports
+for them, that really helps to get the fixes done by either the
+maintainers of the packages involved or by others who are willing to help.
+
+Thanks in advance,
+Marja
+</PRE>
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+&gt;<i> On 26/03/12 08:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We were not talking about a simple software package for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution (although this is certainly an option). We were talking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about the Mageia forums and what to do with the needed update to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forum software, and, yes, the 2 official updates of phpBB3 which we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missed include several security fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please be as kind as to open bug reports for them, including the links to
+</I>&gt;<i> the security issues that are solved by those updates.
+</I>
+Information about security fixes are available in the changelogs of
+the phpBB3 versions. But if in future we do not use &quot;a zip from some
+website&quot; we have to search where the phpBB team lists the issues
+(solved and not solved).
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> On 26/03/12 08:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We were not talking about a simple software package for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution (although this is certainly an option). We were talking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about the Mageia forums and what to do with the needed update to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forum software, and, yes, the 2 official updates of phpBB3 which we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missed include several security fixes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please be as kind as to open bug reports for them, including the links
+</I>&gt;<i> to the security issues that are solved by those updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We've had a lot of security bug reports so far, see
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE</A> because many
+</I>&gt;<i> of our packagers missed the news about security fixes or were too busy
+</I>&gt;<i> to take proper action. Luckily some people took the trouble to open
+</I>&gt;<i> reports for them, that really helps to get the fixes done by either
+</I>&gt;<i> the maintainers of the packages involved or by others who are willing
+</I>&gt;<i> to help.
+</I>
+Sorry, I'm not referring to all of those bugs, but to, for instance, all
+those reported by David Walser.
+
+Regards,
+Marja
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+&gt;<i> On 26/03/12 15:43, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We've had a lot of security bug reports so far, see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE</A> because many of our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packagers missed the news about security fixes or were too busy to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proper action. Luckily some people took the trouble to open reports for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them, that really helps to get the fixes done by either the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the packages involved or by others who are willing to help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, I'm not referring to all of those bugs, but to, for instance, all
+</I>&gt;<i> those reported by David Walser.
+</I>
+Sorry, can't find any related entry in your list when searching for
+phpBB or forum.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 26/03/12 15:43, Marja van Waes wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We've had a lot of security bug reports so far, see
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+CVE</A> because many of our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packagers missed the news about security fixes or were too busy to take
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> proper action. Luckily some people took the trouble to open reports for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them, that really helps to get the fixes done by either the maintainers of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the packages involved or by others who are willing to help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, I'm not referring to all of those bugs, but to, for instance, all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those reported by David Walser.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, can't find any related entry in your list when searching for
+</I>&gt;<i> phpBB or forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, that is why I asked you to report in Bugzilla, like e.g. David
+Walser did for other security issues that affected Mageia and were missed :)
+
+Sorry, but I miss the knowledge you have. You have knowledge about
+missed phpBB security issues that affect our forum, please report them
+and link to the relevant phpBB bug fixes or attach the relevant changelogs.
+
+Thanks, Wolfgang :)
+Marja
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config">molch.b at googlemail.com
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+ <I>Mon Mar 26 16:55:13 CEST 2012</I>
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, that is why I asked you to report in Bugzilla, like e.g. David Walser
+</I>&gt;<i> did for other security issues that affected Mageia and were missed :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, but I miss the knowledge you have. You have knowledge about missed
+</I>&gt;<i> phpBB security issues that affect our forum, please report them and link to
+</I>&gt;<i> the relevant phpBB bug fixes or attach the relevant changelogs.
+</I>
+Will check this but I think it will not do any good because I fear the
+same discussion (updating phpBB3 version using the official phpBB from
+the website opposed to using own packages) will start on Bugzilla
+again. As long as this is not finished/decided it makes not much sense
+reporting.
+
+Anyhow I will see what I can do.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I miss the knowledge you have. You have knowledge about missed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> phpBB security issues that affect our forum, please report them and link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the relevant phpBB bug fixes or attach the relevant changelogs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhow I will see what I can do.
+</I>
+Just to give you an idea: there are around 150 bug fixes between the
+version used by Mageia and the latest stable version, not counting
+feature enhancements, new features, tasks nor subtasks::
+<A HREF="http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3">http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3</A>
+
+I'm searching for a list of security related fixes but I think bug
+fixes are already a good motivation to upgrade.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Planning for election :
+</I>&gt;<i> - 20/03 to 26/03 at 19:00 UTC: candidates send an email to say that they are
+</I>&gt;<i> candidate
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+Today is last day to send an email if you are candidate.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I miss the knowledge you have. You have knowledge about missed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> phpBB security issues that affect our forum, please report them and link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the relevant phpBB bug fixes or attach the relevant changelogs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyhow I will see what I can do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to give you an idea: there are around 150 bug fixes between the
+</I>&gt;<i> version used by Mageia and the latest stable version, not counting
+</I>&gt;<i> feature enhancements, new features, tasks nor subtasks::
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3">http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm searching for a list of security related fixes but I think bug
+</I>&gt;<i> fixes are already a good motivation to upgrade.
+</I>
+Ok, I checked. Last security related fix was before 3.0.8 - seeing the
+sheer number of bug fixes and the general recommendation of the phpbb
+team to update because of security built an &quot;update-friendly&quot; habit
+here. But all the more than 150 bug fixes are just that: bug fixes.
+So, to say it in a provoking way: no need for updates = case closed.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but I miss the knowledge you have. You have knowledge about missed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> phpBB security issues that affect our forum, please report them and link to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the relevant phpBB bug fixes or attach the relevant changelogs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anyhow I will see what I can do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to give you an idea: there are around 150 bug fixes between the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version used by Mageia and the latest stable version, not counting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> feature enhancements, new features, tasks nor subtasks::
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3">http://www.phpbb.com/support/documents.php?mode=changelog&amp;version=3</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm searching for a list of security related fixes but I think bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixes are already a good motivation to upgrade.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I checked. Last security related fix was before 3.0.8 - seeing the
+</I>&gt;<i> sheer number of bug fixes and the general recommendation of the phpbb
+</I>&gt;<i> team to update because of security built an &quot;update-friendly&quot; habit
+</I>&gt;<i> here. But all the more than 150 bug fixes are just that: bug fixes.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to say it in a provoking way: no need for updates = case closed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Wel, it helps if people file a bug report when they suffer from those
+&quot;normal&quot; bugs. We don't vote for bugs in our bugzilla, but the more
+users report a bug, the more chance it gets fixed.
+
+But even then nothing is guaranteed, because the people who fix bugs ,
+push upgrades, etc. here are human beings, with limited time,
+capabilities, and so on, even security fixes sometimes don't get done
+fast, in spite of everyone doing his best.
+
+We have a bug report (#40) about an upgrade that would fix several bugs,
+including several security fixes, some of the last were already
+mentioned in the report in august last year by the upstream maintainer.
+
+Having the report there helps as a reminder and I'm sure upgrading will
+be done, but the report also shows that it is good to have limited
+expectations about how fast we are.
+
+Thanks a lot, wobo, for telling that there are no security issues in our
+forum :)
+
+Cheers,
+Marja
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2012/3/26 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wel, it helps if people file a bug report when they suffer from those
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;normal&quot; bugs. We don't vote for bugs in our bugzilla, but the more users
+</I>&gt;<i> report a bug, the more chance it gets fixed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But even then nothing is guaranteed, because the people who fix bugs , push
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrades, etc. here are human beings, with limited time, capabilities, and
+</I>&gt;<i> so on, even security fixes sometimes don't get done fast, in spite of
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone doing his best.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have a bug report (#40) about an upgrade that would fix several bugs,
+</I>&gt;<i> including several security fixes, some of the last were already mentioned in
+</I>&gt;<i> the report in august last year by the upstream maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having the report there helps as a reminder and I'm sure upgrading will be
+</I>&gt;<i> done, but the report also shows that it is good to have limited expectations
+</I>&gt;<i> about how fast we are.
+</I>
+As explained several times, you can't mix bug fixing for mageia
+packages with bug fixing of phpBB. First we do not have a phpBB3
+package. Second: updating the couple of hundred files with all
+100+something bugs would be some work. Third: if we would have a
+package, still it needs to be unpacked and all the bug fixes must be
+checked and integrated into the single files and then packed. This way
+or that, all this only in case we still trust the &quot;zip from some
+website&quot; (as Michael put it). If we don't we would have to find our
+bug fixes on our own, in other words: that one or two php-savvy people
+(if we find so many for the forum software) would have to do what a
+large team at phpBB does. Or look how Debian does it (do they trust
+phpbb?).
+
+But this is something else and there are people who know much better than I.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On 26/03/12 19:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/26 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wel, it helps if people file a bug report when they suffer from those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;normal&quot; bugs. We don't vote for bugs in our bugzilla, but the more users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> report a bug, the more chance it gets fixed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But even then nothing is guaranteed, because the people who fix bugs , push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upgrades, etc. here are human beings, with limited time, capabilities, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so on, even security fixes sometimes don't get done fast, in spite of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone doing his best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have a bug report (#40) about an upgrade that would fix several bugs,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> including several security fixes, some of the last were already mentioned in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the report in august last year by the upstream maintainer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Having the report there helps as a reminder and I'm sure upgrading will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> done, but the report also shows that it is good to have limited expectations
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about how fast we are.
+</I>&gt;<i> As explained several times, you can't mix bug fixing for mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> packages with bug fixing of phpBB. First we do not have a phpBB3
+</I>&gt;<i> package. Second: updating the couple of hundred files with all
+</I>&gt;<i> 100+something bugs would be some work. Third: if we would have a
+</I>&gt;<i> package, still it needs to be unpacked and all the bug fixes must be
+</I>&gt;<i> checked and integrated into the single files and then packed. This way
+</I>&gt;<i> or that, all this only in case we still trust the &quot;zip from some
+</I>&gt;<i> website&quot; (as Michael put it).
+</I>Thanks wobo, sometimes I miss mails or they don't sink in when I read
+them, so thanks for taking the time to explain it again :)
+
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 25 mars 2012 &#224; 08:24 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/24 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le samedi 24 mars 2012 &#224; 12:48 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; there would be benefits by having a package for the forum software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Quite to the contrary, a simple change of a character in one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; php files would cause the need of an update of the whole package,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; while as is you just need to exchange this one php file. If there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would be a benefit I guess there would have been phpBB packages for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; years, phpBB being the most popular forum software, not only in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Linux world. Ok, a weak point, I admit.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The point is indeed weak.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the start, having a package would ease the testing, since right now,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people just have no clue on how to replicate our setup. There is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; puppet manifests, but I take for granted that the intersection of those
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that know how to use them and those interested into testing phpbb is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; near 0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right. Why? Because even those who have experience in phpBB forum
+</I>&gt;<i> maintenance and php are not familiar of the setup used at Mageia.
+</I>
+Writing script to ease the setup of the copy of the system have been on
+my todo list since a long time. I started to write documents on the
+wiki, I did some conference to have some buzz, I did refactor the whole
+repository to make it easier to read and to understand.
+
+The setup used at mageia is nothing special or magic, there is :
+- 1 postgresql database
+- 1 git checkout
+- 1 apache config file that basically block some directory for security
+reasons
+
+I have yet to see a request for more information, that I would have
+provided. But maybe people think we are too busy or too important to be
+disturbed, or that they would not be able to change anything ( despites
+me saying several time &quot;send patch&quot; ). There isn't much secret in the
+setup, this is published since the beginning.
+
+For example :
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/phpbb/templates/config.php?revision=1625&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/phpbb/templates/config.php?revision=1625&amp;view=markup</A>
+that's config.php. Anyone knowing php ( or asp, or jsp ) would
+intuitively understand the format ( ie, database is a variable given
+somewhere else )
+
+The git checkout url is in another file, to get it :
+
+git clone <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/forum/">git://git.mageia.org/forum/</A> foo
+
+and we just remove &quot;phpBB/install&quot; after checkout.
+
+I agree this is not obvious, but I think we have a fairly standard
+setup, and since no one ever ask a question, we can hardly see what is
+difficult to understand.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Second part of having a package is that it would benefit to others if in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the distribution. It would also ease the management of version by the QA
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( cause if stuff is really important, you want to have it checked before
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it goes live ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another idea is to detect when there is change in the php files, by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using the rpm -V feature. That's quite handy when there is a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( again speaking of experience ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And having a rpm in the distribution also mean that we can benefit from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the whole framework on making sure this is up to date, making sure that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; basic quality is respected, etc. Something that is far from being the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; case with a random zip taken from the web, especially from php software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And I do not even talk of more complex security system like tomoyo or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; selinux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, the phpBB community is very large, involving people on all
+</I>&gt;<i> levels of knowledge related to web applications and system
+</I>&gt;<i> administration. Regarding the software being released from them as not
+</I>&gt;<i> up to date and far from basic quality seems to me a bit ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;exaggerating&quot;.
+</I>
+When I mean &quot;being up to date&quot;, i mean using the same tool we use for
+others packages to know there is a update, etc.
+IE, having the package up to date. The same goes for &quot;quality&quot;. Web
+developpers tend to focus on the use case of &quot;I have a shared space and
+I cannot change nything to it&quot;, which is not our case. We can change
+apache config, we can put some stuff outside of the web root, etc.
+
+Software distribution is something that we already do, so solving the
+same problem in a different way a second time is IMHO not a good idea.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - How would you implement requested features which are not available
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in the forum software other than by &quot;MODs&quot; (which is the same as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; patch?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usually, with well designed software, that work with plugins. Of course,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with some stuff, that goes by &quot;let's duplicate the source code and deal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with merging source code update&quot;. There is ton of example of why this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrong ( search &quot;technical debt&quot; on a search engine for lots of articles
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the topic ), hence the need to use a software properly designed, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to stay in a well designed process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, so your point is that phpBB is not the software you want to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a point I understand and would accept, you explained the
+</I>&gt;<i> points very well. But I don't know if there is a software with same
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality which would qualify and if there is it would mean a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of work to switch.
+</I>
+That's not phpbb per se than the idea of how we should modify it.
+
+Basically, in a world where we have near infinite ressources, we would
+be able to take phpbb, and do any customisation. The same could be done
+for all softwares.
+
+For exemple, that's what Google or Yahoo do ( more the first than the
+2nd ). Google do have a custom http server, likely a custom kernel,
+custom jvm, custom software and framework, even custom languages, custom
+hardware, custom routers. They also have around 24 000 people working
+for them, and a pile of money.
+
+But we are on the other side of the spectrum and we may not have the
+sustainable ressources for custom stuff ( and I should really make the
+word sustainable bold ). We did took this road for some of our component
+( identity, for exemple ) and we do not have the man power to make
+software evolve.
+
+In the long run, the best would be to have such ressources, of course.
+
+But that's a difficult problem to solve, and in the mean term, we should
+have a solution, and I think therefor sticking to stock software is the
+best compromise. I am aware that some mod would make stuff better ( for
+example, to have a decent url, helping for visibility, etc ) and i am
+sure that they are all enhancing the forum ( I mean, no one will do a
+mod to make it worst ), but they are not free in term of ressources to
+integrate.
+
+So that's a tradeoff. It is better, but then you have to do some work
+for each upgrade, etc.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; And frankly, the whole idea of mod is a sign that phpbb is not suitable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; out of the box, as I said in the past. So while maybe the others are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; either, that's still a signal that something is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, what can be done about that?
+</I>
+Now we decided to use phpbb, I guess we will stick to it. A migration
+would take too much time, and despites having a setup that can be
+improved ( to my eyes ), it seems to do the job.
+
+But I think that we should keep in mind to prefer a software that do
+what we want directly than one we can fix later ( or at least, depend
+how we can fix ). That sound simple once said, but unfortunately, that's
+hard to resist to the call of code for coders, so I will not blame
+anyone on that.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; From my point of view, everybody can open a bug report or send patches.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No one did, and you can say as much as you want &quot;this is not my fault&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that will not change anything nor retroactively make bug reports appear.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would add that if people have a pretension to become admin or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anything, they should at least attempt to act as such. Ie, sending
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; patchs, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't met anybody in the international forum with a pretention to
+</I>&gt;<i> become admin in the way you see it.
+</I>
+I didn't read the forum, so maybe I misunderstood ( likely, in fact ),
+so sorry if I was too harsh.
+
+But the point is still valid, if people wish to help or think they can
+do a better job than us ( and I think we are not perfect, I do not deny
+), we can arrange something.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, the discussion started because no one did the job. We are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva, there is not &quot;someone is in charge so I do nothing&quot; bullshit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; state of mind with the company and the rest of the world separation. The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system is open enough that someone skilled enough and motivated enough
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can do most of the job, except the last step.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If people were really concerned on contributing instead of speaking how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they would want to do something or how others didn't do what they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wanted, they would have done something.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, all correct in general and it would surely have happened like
+</I>&gt;<i> this in the Mageia forum as well. But:
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is an admin in place (even somebody who claims that there are
+</I>&gt;<i> enough admins), if this admin keeps responding to questions in the
+</I>&gt;<i> forum about a missing update and other requests by explaining how it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be done and what is needed and that it will be done as soon as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible - why should anyone of the users should write a bug report?
+</I>
+Part of the problem is first what do people mean by &quot;admin&quot;.
+
+To me, this mean &quot;system admin&quot;, and even if I tried to use sysadmin for
+that meaning, I am sure that I have slipped more than once.
+And while it may not have been obvious, I only speak of the sysadmin
+side of the thing.
+
+To me, it seems obvious we need to have 1 and 1 single way to report
+issue. Bugzilla is not perfect, but if we use 1 single system instead of
+more, this permit to have 1 system to maintain, to not need to ask to
+user to decide where to report problem, and people will have 1 system to
+learn. ( and that's ITIL compliant, but that's a private joke with
+myself ).
+
+Now, I understand and should keep in mind that by admin, people also see
+forum admin, and I will likely not comment on this part. Not that I do
+not have a perfect(tm) solution for the problem :)
+
+So maybe the first step would be to document exactly what is the current
+state of affairs, who do what, who is in what group so we can at least
+make sure we use the same word, see the same things. I have part of this
+information in mind, but thanks to my training when I worked for CIA,
+people cannot read it.
+
+&gt;<i>From what I remember :
+</I>
+- there is mga-sysadmin group, 10 person, who ( for the forum ) :
+ - access the server, databases and can commit to puppet or modify
+directly the db, and grant access to git
+
+they also have lots of access, and the long term goal is to delegate as
+much as possible. As i say, my goal is to be able to replace myself by a
+script. So this is not practical to give access to this group without
+any check of skills or anything.
+
+- there is the mga-forum_developer group, of 3 person ( now 2 ), who :
+ - have write access to the code of phpbb hosted in our git ( see url
+before )
+ - should have enough access to upgrade the forum ( but do not know )
+
+the deployment is planned to be automatised, but that's not done ( my
+point was that sysadmin will do it by hand until sufficiently annoyed,
+and until the know how to automate it, until then we have to do the
+upgrade by hand to see what need to be coded, or wait for a patch for
+that ). I cannot speak for the others, but I do not plan to blindly code
+without doing a few test runs so without request to upgrade forum.
+
+on the side of forum management, well, I do not know. That's the part
+where someone step in and complete my mail.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>First let me express my appreciation for putting so much time into
+explanations of points I now understand more clearly than before.
+
+2012/3/26 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/phpbb/templates/config.php?revision=1625&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/modules/phpbb/templates/config.php?revision=1625&amp;view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's config.php. Anyone knowing php ( or asp, or jsp ) would
+</I>&gt;<i> intuitively understand the format ( ie, database is a variable given
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere else )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The git checkout url is in another file, to get it :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> git clone <A HREF="git://git.mageia.org/forum/">git://git.mageia.org/forum/</A> foo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and we just remove &quot;phpBB/install&quot; after checkout.
+</I>
+Yes, that is a must after installation, forum software checks for that.
+
+&gt;<i> When I mean &quot;being up to date&quot;, i mean using the same tool we use for
+</I>&gt;<i> others packages to know there is a update, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> IE, having the package up to date. The same goes for &quot;quality&quot;. Web
+</I>&gt;<i> developpers tend to focus on the use case of &quot;I have a shared space and
+</I>&gt;<i> I cannot change nything to it&quot;, which is not our case. We can change
+</I>&gt;<i> apache config, we can put some stuff outside of the web root, etc.
+</I>
+When we (mandrivauser.de) set up phpBB (and later phpBB3) we used
+Mandriva as server os and there was not much to change in apache
+(forum related), I remember we had to change one setting in php.ini,
+that was all. In fact we had (still have now on Debian) a similar
+setup, except that we installed phpBB directly without git.
+
+&gt;<i> But that's a difficult problem to solve, and in the mean term, we should
+</I>&gt;<i> have a solution, and I think therefor sticking to stock software is the
+</I>&gt;<i> best compromise. I am aware that some mod would make stuff better ( for
+</I>&gt;<i> example, to have a decent url, helping for visibility, etc ) and i am
+</I>&gt;<i> sure that they are all enhancing the forum ( I mean, no one will do a
+</I>&gt;<i> mod to make it worst ), but they are not free in term of ressources to
+</I>&gt;<i> integrate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that's a tradeoff. It is better, but then you have to do some work
+</I>&gt;<i> for each upgrade, etc.
+</I>
+Yes. But as I see in the forum, requests for changes are almost all in
+the /styles section, that are not MODs, just changing of lines in the
+templates. So no security related software involved. Examples: moving
+or adding a line with a link, etc. or another icon set. Of course this
+has to be documented because it has to be changed at each update.
+
+&gt;<i> Now we decided to use phpbb, I guess we will stick to it. A migration
+</I>&gt;<i> would take too much time, and despites having a setup that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> improved ( to my eyes ), it seems to do the job.
+</I>
+Yes.
+
+&gt;<i> But the point is still valid, &#160;if people wish to help or think they can
+</I>&gt;<i> do a better job than us ( and I think we are not perfect, I do not deny
+</I>&gt;<i> ), we can arrange something.
+</I>
+No, through all these discussions (here and in the forum
+(unfortunately I have the time to read both)) I never had the
+impression that somebody wrote he could do better than your team.
+
+&gt;<i> Part of the problem is first what do people mean by &quot;admin&quot;.
+</I>
+Yes. I explained that several times but I realize that this was
+probably only in forum discussions.
+
+&gt;<i> To me, this mean &quot;system admin&quot;, and even if I tried to use sysadmin for
+</I>&gt;<i> that meaning, I am sure that I have slipped more than once.
+</I>&gt;<i> And while it may not have been obvious, I only speak of the sysadmin
+</I>&gt;<i> side of the thing.
+</I>
+Yes. OTOH I (and others) never meant &quot;sysadmin&quot; with &quot;admin&quot;. A
+sysadmin is an admin for a special purpose, that's why he has those 3
+extra letters (sys) in the name. A forum-admin also has a special
+purpose, that's why he has &quot;forum-&quot; in his name. So &quot;admin&quot; is a
+rather generic term which can mean anything. To know what kind of
+admin is meant you need to add the prefix or extra letters.
+
+&gt;<i> From what I remember :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is mga-sysadmin group, 10 person, who ( for the forum ) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- access the server, databases and can commit to puppet or modify
+</I>&gt;<i> directly the db, and grant access to git
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is the mga-forum_developer group, of 3 person ( now 2 ), who :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- have write access to the code of phpbb hosted in our git ( see url
+</I>&gt;<i> before )
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- should have enough access to upgrade the forum ( but do not know )
+</I>
+&gt;<i> the deployment is planned to be automatised, but that's not done ( my
+</I>&gt;<i> point was that sysadmin will do it by hand until sufficiently annoyed,
+</I>&gt;<i> and until the know how to automate it, until then we have to do the
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade by hand to see what need to be coded, or wait for a patch for
+</I>&gt;<i> that ). I cannot speak for the others, but I do not plan to blindly code
+</I>&gt;<i> without doing a few test runs so without request to upgrade forum.
+</I>
+Just to give you an idea how much has changed so far I posted an url
+of the changelogs (more than 150 bug fixes) a little earlier in this
+thread. The update can be done automatically, but only in a custom
+setup with a custom forum. If you have only changed templates you can
+do it as well automatically but you have to repeat the template
+changes ion the new version. If you have implemented MODs or otherwise
+changed the code you have to do the updates manually which normally
+takes me (roughly) 2 work days, but I am a slow worker :).
+You get a set of &quot;changed files&quot; and normally you just copy them over
+the old files. If you changed something in those files (and had it
+documented!) then you have to do the same change in the new file. And
+you can not update from n to n+2, you have to go from n to n+1 to n+2.
+
+Then you start testing, no matter which setup you have. When I do
+changes or an update I do it locally first for testing, later on the
+server. This is about code changes or updates, it's not so hard.
+
+But what about changes in the template? Most requests of forum users
+involve only templates (like moving or adding a forum line with a
+link). These changes can be done (and have already been done in the
+Mageia forums) by the forum admin in the ACP without involving git or
+sysadmins or mga-forum_developers. Hopefully those are documented.
+
+&gt;<i> on the side of forum management, well, I do not know. That's the part
+</I>&gt;<i> where someone step in and complete my mail.
+</I>
+Well, in a forum we only need 2 kinds of &quot;admins&quot;:
+ - the forum admin who is visible in the forum, participates in
+discussions, a contact for users in case of requests or complaints, a
+contact in case of issues between users (if the Global Moderators are
+not able to solve it). Here in fact it is the human social and
+communicative side which is more important than technical knowledge.
+He is the &quot;team leader&quot; of the moderators, doing organisational things
+in the forum (like changing settings in the ACP). That is the
+important position which was not filled most of the time up to now.
+ - the technical forum admin. Somebody with phpbb knowledge who can
+work with mga-forum_developer_group and/or sysadmin team to do code
+changes and updates. He is in close contact with &quot;forum admin&quot; who
+forwards requests of forum users or issues of technical nature
+occuring in the daily life of the forum to him. He is the &quot;bridge&quot; to
+sysadmin group. Of course this can be somebody of the sysadmin group
+or forum_devels as well. He must not be present or communicative in
+the forum.
+
+OTOH these 2 positions can be filled by one person as well but both
+are equally important.
+
+--
+wobo
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+CC'ing this mailing list in bug 40 wasn't successful.
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+Some time ago DMorgan inquired here how to proceed with upgrading our
+Bugzilla. Since then not much happened.
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-February/004182.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-February/004182.html</A>
+
+He didn't say the upgrade would solve some security issues. I don't know
+if he wasn't aware because we forgot to set the &quot;Security&quot; keyword
+(sorry for that :-[ ), or if the security issues Fr&#233;d&#233;ric Buclin from
+upstream referred to in <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c15">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c15</A>
+and in <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c22">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c22</A> can't harm Mageia.
+
+For me upgrading would solve the problem mentioned here
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c17">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40#c17</A>
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+Regards,
+Marja
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+
+so now that pkgcpan.mageia.org is up &amp; running and serving the database
+(thanks again!), i finally took some time to kickstart an idea i was
+toying with: tracking the number of modules shipped by mageia over time.
+
+i also created a very rough webpage for that, which i'd like to expand
+in the future to a more consistent website.
+
+cf attached tarball for the website.
+(note: i'm not a web designer, any help &amp; comments are welcome)
+
+now, i'd like this website to be placed on mageia infrastructure.
+benefits: stats will be updated on a regular basis, and this will allow
+people to quickly see the trend, showing that mageia is perl-developer
+friendly.
+
+to generate the site, it's a matter of running once a day:
+
+ $ magpie webstatic -d /path/to/website
+
+it doesn't take long (less than 5 seconds), and updates the statistics
+besides generating the website.
+
+note that /path/to/website will be wiped, so no other data than the
+website needs to be put in this location. it also means that process
+needs to have write access to the parent dir of /path/to/website
+
+at this point in time, you are now eager to implement that. :) however,
+there are 2 problems:
+
+- &quot;magpie webstatic&quot; is implemented in latest release of magpie, which
+ just hit cpan. the package is updated in svn &amp; ready to be submitted,
+ but it's release freeze. granted, magpie is a leaf package which is
+ only used by mageia perl packagers.
+ ==&gt; do you think i can ask for a freeze push?
+
+- mageia infrastructure is running mga1. so even if magpie is pushed
+ according to previous point, the infra won't have it in their repos.
+ and it also needs perl-ORDB-CPAN-Mageia &amp; perl-RRDTool-OO which are
+ also not available in mga1.
+ ==&gt; if magpie gets pushed, can it be installed on the infra? (by
+ picking &amp; installing the right rpms)
+
+thanks,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> cf attached tarball for the website.
+</I>&gt;<i> (note: i'm not a web designer, any help &amp; comments are welcome)
+</I>
+and i forgot to attach the tarball...
+sorry, j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> at this point in time, you are now eager to implement that. :) however,
+</I>&gt;<i> there are 2 problems:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;magpie webstatic&quot; is implemented in latest release of magpie, which
+</I>&gt;<i> just hit cpan. the package is updated in svn &amp; ready to be submitted,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it's release freeze. granted, magpie is a leaf package which is
+</I>&gt;<i> only used by mageia perl packagers.
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; do you think i can ask for a freeze push?
+</I>
+If you expect no regression in this new version, I think a freeze push
+is possible.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia infrastructure is running mga1. so even if magpie is pushed
+</I>&gt;<i> according to previous point, the infra won't have it in their repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> and it also needs perl-ORDB-CPAN-Mageia &amp; perl-RRDTool-OO which are
+</I>&gt;<i> also not available in mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; if magpie gets pushed, can it be installed on the infra? (by
+</I>&gt;<i> picking &amp; installing the right rpms)
+</I>
+We have a repository &quot;infra_1&quot; used on mageia servers, where we can push
+those packages.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Jerome Quelin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> If you expect no regression in this new version, I think a freeze push
+</I>&gt;<i> is possible.
+</I>
+given that it is a whole new sub-command, existing code was not even
+touched.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - mageia infrastructure is running mga1. so even if magpie is pushed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; according to previous point, the infra won't have it in their repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and it also needs perl-ORDB-CPAN-Mageia &amp; perl-RRDTool-OO which are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also not available in mga1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ==&gt; if magpie gets pushed, can it be installed on the infra? (by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; picking &amp; installing the right rpms)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have a repository &quot;infra_1&quot; used on mageia servers, where we can push
+</I>&gt;<i> those packages.
+</I>
+ok, then i'll request a freeze push. thanks!
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+is the svn server down?
+
+It looks like it's not possible to commit anymore:
+Network connection closed unexpectedly: Unable to connect to a
+repository at URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk</A>':
+To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from
+'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+at /usr/lib64/git-core/git-svn line 920
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+
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+
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> is the svn server down?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It seems to be up...
+
+
+&gt;<i> It looks like it's not possible to commit anymore:
+</I>&gt;<i> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Unable to connect to a
+</I>&gt;<i> repository at URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk</A>':
+</I>&gt;<i> To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from
+</I>&gt;<i> 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/lib64/git-core/git-svn line 920
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+... but not reachable, as for the other servers in Marseille
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+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> is the svn server down?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like it's not possible to commit anymore:
+</I>&gt;<i> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Unable to connect to a
+</I>&gt;<i> repository at URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk</A>':
+</I>&gt;<i> To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from
+</I>&gt;<i> 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/lib64/git-core/git-svn line 920
+</I>
+I've been m getting timeouts with forums, bugzilla, wiki for 10-15
+minutes now. Main website works. Mail server works obviously
+
+--
+wobo
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/3/30 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is the svn server down?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like it's not possible to commit anymore:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Unable to connect to a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository at URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk</A>':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at /usr/lib64/git-core/git-svn line 920
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been m getting timeouts with forums, bugzilla, wiki for 10-15
+</I>&gt;<i> minutes now. Main website works. Mail server works obviously
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+main website works because it is not hosted on the same place
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i> is the svn server down?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like it's not possible to commit anymore:
+</I>&gt;<i> Network connection closed unexpectedly: Unable to connect to a
+</I>&gt;<i> repository at URL 'svn+<A HREF="ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk">ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/rpmdrake/trunk</A>':
+</I>&gt;<i> To better debug SSH connection problems, remove the -q option from
+</I>&gt;<i> 'ssh' in the [tunnels] section of your Subversion configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/lib64/git-core/git-svn line 920
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See you
+</I>
+
+yes seems we have a pb on our server hosting for now.
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?">boklm at mars-attacks.org
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+We may need to replace it.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 &#224; 22:21 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> There is a problem with the switch where our servers are connected.
+</I>&gt;<i> We may need to replace it.
+</I>
+mtr ryu and mtr alamut show the problem is just at the entry of the ielo
+network :
+
+on ryu, there is 6 hops after
+xe2-2-0.ter2.eqx2.par.as8218.eu
+
+ge1-5.br1.rdb.par.ielo.net
+ge-1-6-neo-cr2.eqx-prs.fr.rt.ielo.net
+2ge-e1-17-e1-18-cr5.le9-lyon.fr.rt.ielo.net
+2ge-e1-17-e1-18-cr4.le9-mrs.fr.rt.ielo.net
+ge-2-1-ve25-cr3.ldr-mrs.fr.rt.ielo.net
+
+I am not a expert into deciphering network admin language, but I suppose
+that :
+- since that's all ielo.net, that's also the same type of convention
+used for all equipements.
+
+ge usually mean &quot;gigabit ethernet&quot;, 2ge maybe is when there is 2 cards,
+or something like that.
+
+ldr-mrs mean &quot;liandier marseile&quot; ( ie, the location of our hoster,
+liandier street, in Marseille ), so that's a network device in the
+server room.
+
+The 2 others one are gigabit switch , 1 in Marseille, the other one in
+Lyon. le9 is the french for &quot;the 9&quot;, the old name of a ISP now merged
+with SFR ( another french isp/telephony provider ). If we see the list
+of PoP of ielo ( a pop being a equipment where someone can connect ) :
+<A HREF="http://www.ielo.net/solutions/infrastructures/points-de-presence/">http://www.ielo.net/solutions/infrastructures/points-de-presence/</A>
+
+We see that indeed, they are in Lyon and Marseille in &quot;le neuf&quot;
+datacenter ( ie, le 9 ).
+
+There, they are connected to lyonIX, as seen here
+<A HREF="http://www.lyonix.net/fr/a-propos-de-lyonix/participants-lyonix">http://www.lyonix.net/fr/a-propos-de-lyonix/participants-lyonix</A>
+( a IX being a place where ISP interconnect their network, seek
+&quot;internet exchange&quot; on wikipedia )
+
+
+- ge-1-6-neo-cr2.eqx-prs.fr.rt.ielo.net
+
+and then, they go to the equinix datacenter in Paris ( eqx-prs ), and
+they are connected to as8218.eu, that is neotelecom ( hence &quot;neo&quot; ).
+
+See for the detail of the as
+<A HREF="http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=8218">http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=8218</A>
+
+( a AS being a autonomous system, think of it as a network under the
+control of one single administrative entity, the internet being a
+network of network, ie interconnection of AS ).
+
+
+for the mageia.org servers, there is nothing.
+
+At first sight, I would say that having our switch ( ie, the small
+consumer grade equipment we use to interconnect to the main
+cisco/hp/whatever switch of Lost oasis ) would not cause such issues
+( ie, I would expect to drop paquet at the last step ). However, since
+all others servers on the same Lost Oasis switch seems to work, that's
+also weird.
+
+For the record, I see that 212.85.158.145 ( alamut default gateway,
+whose reverse is gateway-mageia.ielo.net ) is not answering to ping and
+on the other hand, the default gateway for zarb.org ( 212.85.158.1 )
+answer to ping.
+
+And I am pretty sure that this gateway is after our switch from a
+network point of view, and so that this should answer fine if our switch
+is unplugged.
+
+So I suppose that this device ( 158.45 ) do send network
+topology/routing with OSPF or RIP etc, and for some reason, it no longer
+announce the route for our network.
+
+It could be caused by our switch being broken, but that would be rather
+strange, as I do not know any network equipment that would act like this
+( doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but usually, network is not that
+smart ).
+
+
+So what did IELO said exactly ?
+
+( cause &quot;our switch&quot; can mean the switch we use, or the switch they use
+for us, as I doubt they remember do know exactly how everything is done
+for all the client they have )
+
+And more important, what can we do to diagnose the issue, does it have
+to wait on Monday ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, I see that 212.85.158.145 ( alamut default gateway,
+</I>&gt;<i> whose reverse is gateway-mageia.ielo.net ) is not answering to ping and
+</I>&gt;<i> on the other hand, the default gateway for zarb.org ( 212.85.158.1 )
+</I>&gt;<i> answer to ping.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I am pretty sure that this gateway is after our switch from a
+</I>&gt;<i> network point of view, and so that this should answer fine if our switch
+</I>&gt;<i> is unplugged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I suppose that this device ( 158.45 ) do send network
+</I>&gt;<i> topology/routing with OSPF or RIP etc, and for some reason, it no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> announce the route for our network.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be caused by our switch being broken, but that would be rather
+</I>&gt;<i> strange, as I do not know any network equipment that would act like this
+</I>&gt;<i> ( doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but usually, network is not that
+</I>&gt;<i> smart ).
+</I>
+According to gradator, this is normal if the switch is down. When the
+port is down, OSPF automatically clear the route.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what did IELO said exactly ?
+</I>
+The port where our switch is connected is down.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( cause &quot;our switch&quot; can mean the switch we use, or the switch they use
+</I>&gt;<i> for us, as I doubt they remember do know exactly how everything is done
+</I>&gt;<i> for all the client they have )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And more important, what can we do to diagnose the issue, does it have
+</I>&gt;<i> to wait on Monday ?
+</I>
+I think we cannot do a lot, until someone from LO is in the datacenter
+and can check the switch, to see if we need to replace it.
+
+But even if the swich is not the problem, it would be a good idea to
+replace it for a bigger one, to allow us to connect the arm boards on
+it (instead of connecting them behind valstar). We also need to replace
+one of the disk on the arm boards which seems to be not working.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But even if the swich is not the problem, it would be a good idea to
+</I>&gt;<i> replace it for a bigger one, to allow us to connect the arm boards on
+</I>&gt;<i> it (instead of connecting them behind valstar). We also need to replace
+</I>&gt;<i> one of the disk on the arm boards which seems to be not working.
+</I>
+So what we can do :
+ - we wait until someone can check the switch, probably on monday
+ morning
+ - on monday afternoon we buy a new switch in paris, like this one :
+ <A HREF="http://www.grosbill.com/4-d_link_dgs_1024d_-58561-reseaux-reseau_filaire">http://www.grosbill.com/4-d_link_dgs_1024d_-58561-reseaux-reseau_filaire</A>
+ - on tuesday someone go to marseille and replace the switch and also
+ the disk on the arm board. Train with carte 12-30 costs 99,90 euros.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the record, I see that 212.85.158.145 ( alamut default gateway,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whose reverse is gateway-mageia.ielo.net ) is not answering to ping and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the other hand, the default gateway for zarb.org ( 212.85.158.1 )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; answer to ping.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And I am pretty sure that this gateway is after our switch from a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; network point of view, and so that this should answer fine if our switch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is unplugged.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I suppose that this device ( 158.45 ) do send network
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; topology/routing with OSPF or RIP etc, and for some reason, it no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announce the route for our network.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It could be caused by our switch being broken, but that would be rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; strange, as I do not know any network equipment that would act like this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but usually, network is not that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; smart ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to gradator, this is normal if the switch is down. When the
+</I>&gt;<i> port is down, OSPF automatically clear the route.
+</I>
+But what about the default gateway ? IIRC, that's not our switch ( as
+this is just a layer 2 switch ), so did it disappear on purpose once the
+network disappeared too ?
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So what did IELO said exactly ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The port where our switch is connected is down.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> But even if the swich is not the problem, it would be a good idea to
+</I>&gt;<i> replace it for a bigger one, to allow us to connect the arm boards on
+</I>&gt;<i> it (instead of connecting them behind valstar). We also need to replace
+</I>&gt;<i> one of the disk on the arm boards which seems to be not working.
+</I>
+Connecting them behind valstar was also to protect them until we
+properly secured them, since the password is still weak and easy to
+attack from bruteforce. And AFAIK, we didn't plan to give direct access
+to people, so that was useless and I think moving to a bastion model for
+ssh access would be a improvement in term of security for others
+builders too ( jonund, ecosse, and maybe fiona, depending how the backup
+are done ).
+
+Also, just replacing the switch is not a improvement, since we will have
+the same issue if this switch break ( unlikely, but so was the current
+breakage, or the various hardware issues we faced each time we got there
+) so what about trying to have a more redundant setup ?
+
+Most, if not all, of our servers have 2 ethernet interface, so we could
+try to see if bonding could help ( in case of ethernet card failure ) or
+see if we can find a setup with 2 switchs ( one that doesn't cost too
+much, cause of course, cisco can solve the issue for us, we just cannot
+afford it ).
+
+Can we afford one or two switchs that support it ? ( I lost the name of
+the current flavor du jour in term of bonding )
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+&gt;<i> Le samedi 31 mars 2012 &#224; 12:51 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For the record, I see that 212.85.158.145 ( alamut default gateway,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; whose reverse is gateway-mageia.ielo.net ) is not answering to ping and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; on the other hand, the default gateway for zarb.org ( 212.85.158.1 )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; answer to ping.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And I am pretty sure that this gateway is after our switch from a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; network point of view, and so that this should answer fine if our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; switch is unplugged.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So I suppose that this device ( 158.45 ) do send network
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; topology/routing with OSPF or RIP etc, and for some reason, it no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; longer announce the route for our network.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It could be caused by our switch being broken, but that would be rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; strange, as I do not know any network equipment that would act like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this ( doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but usually, network is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that smart ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; According to gradator, this is normal if the switch is down. When the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; port is down, OSPF automatically clear the route.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But what about the default gateway ? IIRC, that's not our switch ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> this is just a layer 2 switch ), so did it disappear on purpose once the
+</I>&gt;<i> network disappeared too ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So what did IELO said exactly ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The port where our switch is connected is down.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But even if the swich is not the problem, it would be a good idea to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; replace it for a bigger one, to allow us to connect the arm boards on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it (instead of connecting them behind valstar). We also need to replace
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one of the disk on the arm boards which seems to be not working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Connecting them behind valstar was also to protect them until we
+</I>&gt;<i> properly secured them, since the password is still weak and easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> attack from bruteforce. And AFAIK, we didn't plan to give direct access
+</I>&gt;<i> to people, so that was useless and I think moving to a bastion model for
+</I>&gt;<i> ssh access would be a improvement in term of security for others
+</I>&gt;<i> builders too ( jonund, ecosse, and maybe fiona, depending how the backup
+</I>&gt;<i> are done ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, just replacing the switch is not a improvement, since we will have
+</I>&gt;<i> the same issue if this switch break ( unlikely, but so was the current
+</I>&gt;<i> breakage, or the various hardware issues we faced each time we got there
+</I>&gt;<i> ) so what about trying to have a more redundant setup ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most, if not all, of our servers have 2 ethernet interface, so we could
+</I>&gt;<i> try to see if bonding could help ( in case of ethernet card failure ) or
+</I>&gt;<i> see if we can find a setup with 2 switchs ( one that doesn't cost too
+</I>&gt;<i> much, cause of course, cisco can solve the issue for us, we just cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> afford it ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we afford one or two switchs that support it ? ( I lost the name of
+</I>&gt;<i> the current flavor du jour in term of bonding )
+</I>
+i think you're looking for distributed trunking? ie: having 2 cables in two
+separate switches, so if a switch fails, it stays working...
+
+but those switches are quite expensive, iinm at least 2kEUR/switch
+
+non-distributed trunking is alot cheaper, but that just means half the servers
+are down.
+
+or we could just not bond and have 2 different networks over such servers. that
+also works for redundancy, but on l3 instead of l2 and alot cheaper...
+</PRE>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004301.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004279.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004283.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004286.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004287.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004292.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004296.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004297.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004300.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004343.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004282.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004344.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004345.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004252.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ITC soci&#233;t&#233; de TRADUCTION!
+</A><A NAME="4252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marie Fran&#231;oise Greck &#8211; ITC France
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004256.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004259.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004277.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004290.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004291.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004302.html">[Mageia-sysadm] About the old HDDs we changed in February
+</A><A NAME="4302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004288.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004289.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004275.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004337.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004338.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004340.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004264.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004348.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004351.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004254.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004265.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004278.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004280.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004342.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004267.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004268.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004274.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004257.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004260.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004261.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004263.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004341.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004270.html">[Mageia-sysadm] mageia.org subdomain for Mageia manuals, + ftp server
+</A><A NAME="4270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004294.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004295.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Bugzilla security fixes
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-sysadm] hi(
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>b.pellegatta
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004346.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bon cadeau_
+</A><A NAME="4346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>compras
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004281.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004285.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004284.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004253.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004255.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004258.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004262.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004266.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004269.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004271.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-reports] Hobbit [827256] valstar.mageia.org:rsync warning (YELLOW)
+</A><A NAME="4271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004272.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004273.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004276.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004293.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004339.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004347.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004349.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004350.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bonjour^
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yxt
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:17:31 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>March 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 6 13:14:43 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004252.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ITC soci&#233;t&#233; de TRADUCTION!
+</A><A NAME="4252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marie Fran&#231;oise Greck &#8211; ITC France
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004253.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004254.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004255.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004256.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004257.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004258.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004259.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004260.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004261.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004262.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004263.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004264.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004265.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004266.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004267.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004268.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004269.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004270.html">[Mageia-sysadm] mageia.org subdomain for Mageia manuals, + ftp server
+</A><A NAME="4270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004271.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-reports] Hobbit [827256] valstar.mageia.org:rsync warning (YELLOW)
+</A><A NAME="4271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004272.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004273.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004274.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004275.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004276.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004277.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004278.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004279.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004280.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004281.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004282.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004283.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004284.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004285.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004286.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004287.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004288.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004289.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004290.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004291.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004292.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004293.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004294.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004295.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004296.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004297.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004300.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004301.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004302.html">[Mageia-sysadm] About the old HDDs we changed in February
+</A><A NAME="4302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bonjour^
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yxt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-sysadm] hi(
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>b.pellegatta
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Bugzilla security fixes
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004346.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bon cadeau_
+</A><A NAME="4346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>compras
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004337.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004338.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004339.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004340.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004341.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004342.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004343.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004344.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004345.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004347.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004348.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004349.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004350.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004351.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:17:31 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>March 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 6 13:14:43 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004291.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004292.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004294.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004295.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004296.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004297.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004300.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004284.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004271.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-reports] Hobbit [827256] valstar.mageia.org:rsync warning (YELLOW)
+</A><A NAME="4271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004302.html">[Mageia-sysadm] About the old HDDs we changed in February
+</A><A NAME="4302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004293.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004301.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004346.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bon cadeau_
+</A><A NAME="4346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>compras
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bonjour^
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yxt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Bugzilla security fixes
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-sysadm] hi(
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>b.pellegatta
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004341.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004342.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004343.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004344.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004345.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004347.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004348.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004349.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004350.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004351.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004252.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ITC soci&#233;t&#233; de TRADUCTION!
+</A><A NAME="4252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marie Fran&#231;oise Greck &#8211; ITC France
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004270.html">[Mageia-sysadm] mageia.org subdomain for Mageia manuals, + ftp server
+</A><A NAME="4270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004272.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004275.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004257.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004258.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004260.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004261.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004262.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004263.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004337.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004338.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004339.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004340.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004264.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004265.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004256.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004259.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004253.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004254.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004255.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004266.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004267.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004268.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004269.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004273.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004274.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004276.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004277.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004278.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004279.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004280.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004290.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004281.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004282.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004283.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004285.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004286.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004287.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004288.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004289.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:17:31 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>March 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 6 13:14:43 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01331036083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004252.html">[Mageia-sysadm] ITC soci&#233;t&#233; de TRADUCTION!
+</A><A NAME="4252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marie Fran&#231;oise Greck &#8211; ITC France
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01331141937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004253.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01331141937-01331142363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004254.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01331141937-01331142363-01331148603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004255.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01331141937-01331640558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004266.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01331141937-01331640558-01331644483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004267.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01331141937-01331801007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004268.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01331141937-01331801007-01331808688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004269.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01331141937-01331801007-01331808688-01331884295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004274.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01331141937-01331849568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004273.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin IRC meeting
+</A><A NAME="4273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01331178189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004256.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01331178189-01331205170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004259.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Remove/disable mirrors
+</A><A NAME="4259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01331194201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004257.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01331194201-01331203442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004258.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01331194201-01331203442-01331207968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004260.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01331194201-01331203442-01331207968-01331212663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004261.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01331194201-01331203442-01331207968-01331212663-01331212860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004262.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01331194201-01331203442-01331207968-01331212663-01331212860-01331214747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004263.html">[Mageia-sysadm] no more mails from bugzilla?
+</A><A NAME="4263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01331424487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004264.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01331424487-01331426016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004265.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Problems with the build server chroot (xboard building)
+</A><A NAME="4265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01331808996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004270.html">[Mageia-sysadm] mageia.org subdomain for Mageia manuals, + ftp server
+</A><A NAME="4270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01331812785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004271.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-reports] Hobbit [827256] valstar.mageia.org:rsync warning (YELLOW)
+</A><A NAME="4271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01331837242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004272.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01331837242-01331906988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004275.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Meeting tonight
+</A><A NAME="4275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Buchan Milne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332198920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004276.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332198920-01332704576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004318.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01332198920-01332779564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004327.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Sysadmin team council representative and deputy election
+</A><A NAME="4327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332311759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004277.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332311759-01332322200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004278.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01332311759-01332322200-01332322767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004279.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01332311759-01332322200-01332322767-01332323341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004280.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01332311759-01332322200-01332362857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004290.html">[Mageia-sysadm] twiska.zarb.org mirror
+</A><A NAME="4290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332338233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004281.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332338233-01332339040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004282.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01332338233-01332339040-01332339646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004283.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01332338233-01332346026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004284.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01332338233-01332346723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004285.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01332338233-01332346723-01332347523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004286.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332347523-01332347661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004287.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004289.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004291.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004292.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004294.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332399948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004295.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332399948-01332400807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004297.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332399948-01332401872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004298.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004296.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332408462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004299.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332408462-01332409486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004300.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004307.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004309.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004314.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004316.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004317.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004319.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004320.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771183- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004321.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004322.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004323.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004324.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004325.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713-01332777409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004326.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713-01332777409-01332780423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004328.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713-01332777409-01332780423-01332781386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004329.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713-01332777409-01332780423-01332781386-01332782486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004330.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332687039-01332690567-01332700083-01332745104-01332769396-01332771258-01332771865-01332773062-01332773713-01332777409-01332780423-01332781386-01332782486-01332788387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004331.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332794972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004332.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01332338233-01332346723-01332358741-01332364644-01332369264-01332397313-01332400685-01332585833-01332589706-01332596734-01332656671-01332794972-01332836160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004333.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01332338233-01332356975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004288.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config
+</A><A NAME="4288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332372240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004293.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332372240-01332426475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004301.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01332372240-01332426475-01332442748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004304.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01332372240-01332438908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004303.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Access to ARM boards
+</A><A NAME="4303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332434650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004302.html">[Mageia-sysadm] About the old HDDs we changed in February
+</A><A NAME="4302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01332444371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004305.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332444371-01332452179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004306.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [sysadmin-commits] [2674] clean postfix module, rework the layout and split it in several file
+</A><A NAME="4306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332588152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004308.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01332588152-01332590033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004313.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01332588152-01332590556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004310.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01332588152-01332592643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004311.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Forums, wiki and bugzilla down?
+</A><A NAME="4311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01332973573- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004334.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bonjour^
+</A><A NAME="4334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yxt
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333046467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004335.html">[Mageia-sysadm] hi(
+</A><A NAME="4335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>b.pellegatta
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333091693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004336.html">[Mageia-sysadm] Bugzilla security fixes
+</A><A NAME="4336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333097340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004346.html">[Mageia-sysadm] bon cadeau_
+</A><A NAME="4346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>compras
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01333120115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004337.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333120115-01333120169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004338.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01333120115-01333121557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004339.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333120115-01333121557-01333122715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004340.html">[Mageia-sysadm] perl modules shipped by mageia - the web site!
+</A><A NAME="4340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01333123858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004341.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01333123858-01333125152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004342.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01333123858-01333125398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004343.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333123858-01333125398-01333136906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004344.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01333123858-01333136932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004345.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01333123858-01333138867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004347.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01333123858-01333138867-01333153369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004348.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01333123858-01333138867-01333153369-01333191111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004349.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333123858-01333138867-01333153369-01333191111-01333194389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004350.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333123858-01333138867-01333153369-01333191111-01333199538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004351.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01333123858-01333138867-01333153369-01333191111-01333199538-01333210582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-sysadm] is the svn server down?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Mar 31 18:16:22 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Mar 31 18:17:31 CEST 2012</i>
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