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Once that solved i'd fear to see +</I>><i> mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way +</I>><i> testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database... +</I>><i> pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2 +</I>><i> minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the +</I>><i> mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a +</I>><i> chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying +</I>><i> god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given +</I>><i> this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to +</I>><i> get into) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as +</I>><i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much). +</I> +Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail: + +><i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure +</I>><i> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without +</I>><i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for +</I>><i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache +</I>><i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without +</I>><i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a +</I>><i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^ +</I>On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except +being absent, not even doing forum software security updates? +These arguments from you are just laughable to me, sorry, but i, +for one, rather like to be true than to bite my lips. + +For a real world example, we have a few of such pure "emasculated" +interface forum admins as moderators at mandrivauser.de, and it's +perfectly enough to care for the day-to-day forum business. +But you seem to know much better, that's maybe also the reason +why the int. Mageia forum is currently doing so well overall. + +But i'll refrain to go on about this, to keep my blood pressure at sane levels. + +><i> +</I>><i> (sigh) +</I>><i> +</I>Exactly. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004289.html">[Mageia-sysadm] updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004292.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4291">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4291">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4291">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4291">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |