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If there +</I>>><i> would be a benefit I guess there would have been phpBB packages for +</I>>><i> years, phpBB being the most popular forum software, not only in the +</I>>><i> Linux world. Ok, a weak point, I admit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The point is indeed weak. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the start, having a package would ease the testing, since right now, +</I>><i> people just have no clue on how to replicate our setup. There is the +</I>><i> puppet manifests, but I take for granted that the intersection of those +</I>><i> that know how to use them and those interested into testing phpbb is +</I>><i> near 0. +</I> +Right. Why? Because even those who have experience in phpBB forum +maintenance and php are not familiar of the setup used at Mageia. + +><i> Second part of having a package is that it would benefit to others if in +</I>><i> the distribution. It would also ease the management of version by the QA +</I>><i> ( cause if stuff is really important, you want to have it checked before +</I>><i> it goes live ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another idea is to detect when there is change in the php files, by +</I>><i> using the rpm -V feature. That's quite handy when there is a problem +</I>><i> ( again speaking of experience ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And having a rpm in the distribution also mean that we can benefit from +</I>><i> the whole framework on making sure this is up to date, making sure that +</I>><i> basic quality is respected, etc. Something that is far from being the +</I>><i> case with a random zip taken from the web, especially from php software. +</I>><i> And I do not even talk of more complex security system like tomoyo or +</I>><i> selinux. +</I> +Well, the phpBB community is very large, involving people on all +levels of knowledge related to web applications and system +administration. Regarding the software being released from them as not +up to date and far from basic quality seems to me a bit ... +"exaggerating". + +>><i>  - How would you implement requested features which are not available +</I>>><i> in the forum software other than by "MODs" (which is the same as a +</I>>><i> patch? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Usually, with well designed software, that work with plugins. Of course, +</I>><i> with some stuff, that goes by "let's duplicate the source code and deal +</I>><i> with merging source code update". There is ton of example of why this is +</I>><i> wrong ( search "technical debt" on a search engine for lots of articles +</I>><i> on the topic ), hence the need to use a software properly designed, and +</I>><i> to stay in a well designed process. +</I> +Ok, so your point is that phpBB is not the software you want to use. +This is a point I understand and would accept, you explained the +points very well. But I don't know if there is a software with same +functionality which would qualify and if there is it would mean a lot +of work to switch. + +><i> And frankly, the whole idea of mod is a sign that phpbb is not suitable +</I>><i> out of the box, as I said in the past. So while maybe the others are not +</I>><i> either, that's still a signal that something is wrong. +</I> +Ok, what can be done about that? + +><i> From my point of view, everybody can open a bug report or send patches. +</I>><i> No one did, and you can say as much as you want "this is not my fault", +</I>><i> that will not change anything nor retroactively make bug reports appear. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would add that if people have a pretension to become admin or +</I>><i> anything, they should at least attempt to act as such. Ie, sending +</I>><i> patchs, etc. +</I> +I haven't met anybody in the international forum with a pretention to +become admin in the way you see it. + +><i> No, the discussion started because no one did the job. We are not +</I>><i> Mandriva, there is not "someone is in charge so I do nothing" bullshit +</I>><i> state of mind with the company and the rest of the world separation. The +</I>><i> system is open enough that someone skilled enough and motivated enough +</I>><i> can do most of the job, except the last step. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If people were really concerned on contributing instead of speaking how +</I>><i> they would want to do something or how others didn't do what they +</I>><i> wanted, they would have done something. +</I> +Yes, all correct in general and it would surely have happened like +this in the Mageia forum as well. But: +If there is an admin in place (even somebody who claims that there are +enough admins), if this admin keeps responding to questions in the +forum about a missing update and other requests by explaining how it +will be done and what is needed and that it will be done as soon as +possible - why should anyone of the users should write a bug report? + +Of course I can only speak for myself. There was a time when I was +concerned on contributing, especially in the forum area. But after +some discussions I got the impression that maât did not need +contributions. I do not insist on contributing if it seems to be not +wanted by the person who was the responsible person for this area. If +you regard this to be caused by my ego, no problem. + +Overall I agree to most of your points after your explanations, thx +for taking the time. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004312.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004315.html">[Mageia-sysadm] [forums-discuss] Re: updating sysadmin privileges in forum config +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4314">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4314">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4314">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4314">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">More information about the Mageia-sysadm +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |