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At +</I>><i> least one app I use, installs HTML docs, but requires root privileges to +</I>><i> access them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can see the philosophical point about "the instructions come with the +</I>><i> product," but practical considerations should come first. Often a man page is +</I>><i> enough, and the Debian project seems to have written man pages where the +</I>><i> original package lacks them. +</I> +If you do not want documentation, rpm offers such an option +(--excludedocs). Likely same option is available in urpmi. I can +understand that you have no need at all for documentation, but disagree +that in general documentation should not be installed. It should be +available in case someone might want it. If concerned about disk space, +then do some extra work and either select minimal, exclude docs, etc. I +don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6965">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6965">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6965">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6965">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006966.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006966.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d4741425 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006966.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GUI-based%20bugzilla%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411093735.GB3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006973.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006979.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla?</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20GUI-based%20bugzilla%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411093735.GB3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla?">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 11:37:35 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6966">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6966">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6966">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6966">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 10:34:35PM +0200, Kristoffer Grundström wrote: +><i> I made a wishreport about turning either ABRT or bug-buddy into a GUI-form. +</I>><i> Who's with me on that idea? /Kristoffer +</I> +I don't get what you mean: +- GUI based bugzilla: that is not the intend of bug-buddy. It is to + report crasher bugs +- bug-buddy into a GUI-form: bug-buddy is already a GUI + +FWIW, bug-buddy is pretty broken without patches as it uses non-working +Socorro server. 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+ +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because + he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand. + -- Bertrand Russell + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6967">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6967">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6967">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6967">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006968.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006968.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a9f3a85d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006968.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411111603.GD3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006967.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006969.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411111603.GD3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 13:16:03 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6968">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6968">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6968">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6968">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +><i> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>><i> Vitters who wrote: +</I>><i> > I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used +</I>><i> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I> +You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +furthermore you have to search for it. + +Not installing documentation, might be some reasons for it, but +'practical': I don't see it. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6968">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6968">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6968">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6968">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006969.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006969.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0893a49d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006969.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7zcX8xcVnxnr040p3pNzLQQiN-6eoNYWmzPQLQ243BjA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006968.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="007776.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7zcX8xcVnxnr040p3pNzLQQiN-6eoNYWmzPQLQ243BjA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 13:47:51 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6969">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6969">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6969">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6969">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +><i> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>>><i> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>>><i> Vitters who wrote: +</I>>><i> >  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used +</I>>><i> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>><i> practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>><i> I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>><i> don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>><i> practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>><i> disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>><i> documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>><i> internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>><i> furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but +</I>><i> 'practical': I don't see it. +</I> +The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +for (A) AND (B), only for (A). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6969">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6969">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6969">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6969">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006970.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006970.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c6872fb9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006970.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411121043.GE3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="007776.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006972.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C20120411121043.GE3711%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 14:10:43 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6970">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6970">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6970">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6970">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>><i> >> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>><i> >> Vitters who wrote: +</I>><i> >> >  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used +</I>><i> >> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>><i> > practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>><i> > I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>><i> > don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>><i> > practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>><i> > disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>><i> > documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>><i> > internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>><i> > furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but +</I>><i> > 'practical': I don't see it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +</I>><i> individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +</I>><i> you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +</I> +That is not what I was after. + +I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that +is to exclude documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in +some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for +everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow +logical. Or: A -> B doesn't mean B -> A. + +><i> what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +</I>><i> discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +</I>><i> documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +</I>><i> avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +</I>><i> for (A) AND (B), only for (A). +</I> +Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check +if it can be possible. + +At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +have to search for. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6970">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6970">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6970">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6970">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006971.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006971.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5ea8a09d3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006971.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C201204110817.16723.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006974.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006973.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C201204110817.16723.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 14:17:16 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6971">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6971">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6971">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6971">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 07:16 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +Vitters who wrote: +><i> You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>><i> practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>><i> I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>><i> don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. +</I> +What I make practical is offering the user, at install time, the option of +installing the docs, or not. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + La superstition met le monde entier en flammes; la philosophie les eteint. + --Voltaire + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6971">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6971">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6971">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6971">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006972.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006972.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f9905f3fa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006972.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4EZqyZoJCBNQStYxOE458Pwfk5Wx099SSp7GzEg1zsSw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006970.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006975.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4EZqyZoJCBNQStYxOE458Pwfk5Wx099SSp7GzEg1zsSw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 14:23:36 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6972">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6972">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6972">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6972">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +><i> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +</I>>><i> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>>><i> >> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>>><i> >> Vitters who wrote: +</I>>><i> >> >  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used +</I>>><i> >> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>>><i> > practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>>><i> > I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>>><i> > don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>>><i> > practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>>><i> > disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>>><i> > documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>>><i> > internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>>><i> > furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but +</I>>><i> > 'practical': I don't see it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +</I>>><i> individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +</I>>><i> you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is not what I was after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that +</I>><i> is to exclude documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in +</I>><i> some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for +</I>><i> everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow +</I>><i> logical. Or: A -> B doesn't mean B -> A. +</I> +Ok, this is more clear than just saying that you speak "in general" as +opposite to Ron's opinion. + +>><i> what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +</I>>><i> discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +</I>>><i> documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +</I>>><i> avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +</I>>><i> for (A) AND (B), only for (A). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check +</I>><i> if it can be possible. +</I> +Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I +clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread +is to find a solution. + +><i> At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +</I>><i> only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +</I>><i> concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +</I>><i> ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +</I>><i> have to search for. +</I> +No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the +rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about. +Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech +understanding. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6972">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6972">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6972">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6972">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006973.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006973.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6ac343a59 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006973.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6C_MvW8qK-irC0V%2BhpZEDdYj_cxEBfqLii1C44J4DzmQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006971.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006966.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6C_MvW8qK-irC0V%2BhpZEDdYj_cxEBfqLii1C44J4DzmQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 14:25:53 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6973">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6973">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6973">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6973">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/4/11 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>>: +><i> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 07:16 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>><i> Vitters who wrote: +</I>>><i> You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>>><i> practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>>><i> I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>>><i> don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What I make practical is offering the user, at install time, the option of +</I>><i> installing the docs, or not. +</I> +That's exactly what I understand as the task of this discussion. Is it +possible, what are the issues that will block such a setup? etc. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6973">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6973">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6973">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6973">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006974.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006974.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..657103816 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006974.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C68fccc70-dec2-490f-83bd-f06124dd0e48%40email.android.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006978.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006971.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Kevin Bulgrien</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C68fccc70-dec2-490f-83bd-f06124dd0e48%40email.android.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">kbulgrien at att.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 14:36:55 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6974">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6974">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6974">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6974">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>> wrote: + +On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>><i> >> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav +</I>><i> >> Vitters who wrote: +</I>><i> >> > I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used +</I>><i> >> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>><i> > practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>><i> > I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>><i> > don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>><i> > practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>><i> > disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>><i> > documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>><i> > internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>><i> > furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not installing documentation, might be some reasons for it, but +</I>><i> > 'practical': I don't see it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +</I>><i> individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +</I>><i> you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +</I> +That is not what I was after. + +I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that +is to exclude documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in +some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for +everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow +logical. Or: A -> B doesn't mean B -> A. + +><i> what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +</I>><i> discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +</I>><i> documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +</I>><i> avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +</I>><i> for (A) AND (B), only for (A). +</I> +Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check +if it can be possible. + +At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +have to search for. + +-- +Regards, +Olav + + +If a flag like --excludedocs works from the command line, there could conceptually exist some /etc/urpmi file that specifies flags that tools should use by default. Since many flags are not universally applicable, this could be a source of issues though. On install, if the user does not check the documentation box, then this is how that feature is selected. + +I see disk space detection as less obvious and potentially problematic as it might block things a user does not want blocked. + +It also occurs to me that there ought to be a way to reverse the block and reprocess packages to install docs that were so blocked... in a gui app. +-- +Sent from my Android tablet. 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I thought I +</I>><i> clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread +</I>><i> is to find a solution. +</I> +The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need +is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every +request right away, you'll end up with a lot of options. Better to +analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better +experience than just another option somewhere. + +><i> > At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +</I>><i> > only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +</I>><i> > concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +</I>><i> > ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +</I>><i> > have to search for. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the +</I>><i> rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about. +</I>><i> Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech +</I>><i> understanding. +</I> +I mean that is is better to know more than "exclude documentation". That +is just a request, but I don't get why it is made. E.g. if the sole +reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is +to include this where disk space is handled. + +I'm not talking technical, but more use cases. + +E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but +once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of +documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude +documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the +notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to +remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger +disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was +manually removed. + +Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia +installer, then such an installer option doesn't really help when you +lack disk space later on. + +Hope you're getting what I am after. + +Btw: I am not trying to do anything near "stop energy", just want to +understand the use case better. The "why" is what I am after. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6975">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6975">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6975">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6975">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006976.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006976.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ce8d03be3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006976.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5ESgeytWH6hJ%3DgQNX4Ytodb2catGc%3Dd6WiNgUZQpj_hg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006975.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006977.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5ESgeytWH6hJ%3DgQNX4Ytodb2catGc%3Dd6WiNgUZQpj_hg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 15:53:03 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6976">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6976">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6976">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6976">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +><i> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> > Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check +</I>>><i> > if it can be possible. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I +</I>>><i> clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread +</I>>><i> is to find a solution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need +</I>><i> is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every +</I>><i> request right away, you'll end up with a lot of options. Better to +</I>><i> analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better +</I>><i> experience than just another option somewhere. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +</I>>><i> > only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +</I>>><i> > concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +</I>>><i> > ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +</I>>><i> > have to search for. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the +</I>>><i> rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about. +</I>>><i> Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech +</I>>><i> understanding. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I mean that is is better to know more than "exclude documentation". That +</I>><i> is just a request, but I don't get why it is made. E.g. if the sole +</I>><i> reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is +</I>><i> to include this where disk space is handled. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not talking technical, but more use cases. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but +</I>><i> once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of +</I>><i> documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude +</I>><i> documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the +</I>><i> notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to +</I>><i> remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger +</I>><i> disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was +</I>><i> manually removed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia +</I>><i> installer, then such an installer option doesn't really help when you +</I>><i> lack disk space later on. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hope you're getting what I am after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Btw: I am not trying to do anything near "stop energy", just want to +</I>><i> understand the use case better. The "why" is what I am after. +</I> +Yes, I see, thx for clarification. + +Now, we have several use cases here: + +1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don't want to +waste space for ballast. +2 - disk is small, I don't want to waste space for ballast but I want +some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the +handbook I want and leave out all others) +3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation +and only want the software installed which I really use. +4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when +doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can't just say '--no-suggests') +5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the +handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I +don't want to go 'rpm -e -nodeps' for each and every single handbook + +I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small +installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3 + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6976">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6976">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6976">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6976">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006977.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006977.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e4565c022 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006977.html @@ -0,0 +1,153 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_Biaxs6xHtCoHK9V0N1fqwiDKBkFDWiWC2t7XqRhrWf7-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006976.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006978.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3CCALVo_Biaxs6xHtCoHK9V0N1fqwiDKBkFDWiWC2t7XqRhrWf7-w%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">dglent at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 16:05:23 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6977">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6977">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6977">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6977">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Στις 11 Απριλίου 2012 3:53 μ.μ., ο χρήστης Wolfgang Bornath < +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> έγραψε: + +><i> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> >> > Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, +</I>><i> check +</I>><i> >> > if it can be possible. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I +</I>><i> >> clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread +</I>><i> >> is to find a solution. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need +</I>><i> > is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every +</I>><i> > request right away, you'll end up with a lot of options. Better to +</I>><i> > analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better +</I>><i> > experience than just another option somewhere. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> > At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +</I>><i> >> > only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +</I>><i> >> > concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +</I>><i> >> > ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +</I>><i> >> > have to search for. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the +</I>><i> >> rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about. +</I>><i> >> Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech +</I>><i> >> understanding. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I mean that is is better to know more than "exclude documentation". That +</I>><i> > is just a request, but I don't get why it is made. E.g. if the sole +</I>><i> > reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is +</I>><i> > to include this where disk space is handled. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I'm not talking technical, but more use cases. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but +</I>><i> > once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of +</I>><i> > documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude +</I>><i> > documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the +</I>><i> > notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to +</I>><i> > remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger +</I>><i> > disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was +</I>><i> > manually removed. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia +</I>><i> > installer, then such an installer option doesn't really help when you +</I>><i> > lack disk space later on. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Hope you're getting what I am after. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Btw: I am not trying to do anything near "stop energy", just want to +</I>><i> > understand the use case better. The "why" is what I am after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I see, thx for clarification. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, we have several use cases here: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don't want to +</I>><i> waste space for ballast. +</I>><i> 2 - disk is small, I don't want to waste space for ballast but I want +</I>><i> some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the +</I>><i> handbook I want and leave out all others) +</I>><i> 3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation +</I>><i> and only want the software installed which I really use. +</I>><i> 4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when +</I>><i> doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can't just say '--no-suggests') +</I>><i> 5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the +</I>><i> handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I +</I>><i> don't want to go 'rpm -e -nodeps' for each and every single handbook +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small +</I>><i> installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +On the other hand if someone has a real limit with hard disk space, he can +use another DE as icewm or lxde. +Or in KDE he can delete the handbook folder (doc/HTML) and what ever folder +thinks that takes usefulness place in the drive. +If we don't provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue +its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them. + +* I am not at home, actually how much space they take ? 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I prefer KDE and my small SSD is perfectly +sufficient for this desktop - if I do not have the option to really +choose what I want. Yes, I could unmark the documentation section in +the package group selection but I want the man pages. Of course I +could unmark all *-handbook packages in the KDE section but the +installer does not obey this, if a kde game is marked for +installation, the handbook will be installed whatever I did to the +matching handbook package. + +><i> If we don't provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue +</I>><i> its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them. +</I> +Having being in manual writing and translating for at least 9 years I +learned something: each day you will meet people who could have solved +their problems with one look into the documentation but rather waited +for 2 days in the forum for an answer. The easier and user-friendly +the software becomes, the less you will be able to make people read +them. Yes, sometimes you sit there translating a doc and you keep +thinking "WTF am I doing here". You have to live with that for the +sake of those few users who actually read. So, yes, it is discouraging +but it's not a valid argument here. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6978">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6978">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6978">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6978">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006979.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006979.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1b0afdd6b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006979.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4F85B964.1050900%40kde.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006966.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006980.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)</H1> + <B>Anne Wilson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4F85B964.1050900%40kde.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)">annew at kde.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 19:03:32 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6979">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6979">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6979">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6979">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On 10/04/12 20:53, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +><i> On Tuesday 10 Apr 2012 10:57 my mailbox was graced by a message +</I>><i> from Anne Wilson who wrote: +</I>>><i> True indeed, but if someone wants to commit suicide we do have a +</I>>><i> moral duty not to supply the gun and teach him how to load it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We may have a duty to point out to him that we think his idea is +</I>><i> not good, but if he is decided, our duty then is to help him, +</I>><i> including acting as kaishakunin if he asks us to. +</I>><i> +</I>Your idea of moral duty is obviously different from mine. I doubt if +the law would see it your way either. + +Anne +- -- +Need KDE help? 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Is Mageia a mere provider of a +technical system who does not care further than uploading the +software? If so we don't need to discuss questions, we don't need to +give warnings about anything, etc. Or do we have a sense of moral duty +which goes beyond that? I am happy to see the decision of Mageia +showing that they care. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006979.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6980">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6980">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6980">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6980">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006981.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006981.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..96905bcff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/006981.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4F85ED69.9040902%40bigpond.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006980.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)</H1> + <B>Tony Blackwell</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4F85ED69.9040902%40bigpond.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)">tablackwell at bigpond.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 22:45:29 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6981">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6981">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6981">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6981">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>ftg: "I thought the OP said that this feature was controlled by a +keyword in kdmrc. I assumed that that meant it was a feature supplied +as part of KDM. Are you saying that it was a MDV/MGA extension to start +with, and that it was withdrawn because we no longer wanted to support it ?" + + + +As the OP, I'll comment that although the config was AllowRoot=true, in +/usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc, all previous versions of Mandriva/Mageia +going back a number of years, right up to M2beta1 after online updates, +have supported setting this flag as allowing graphical root access to +gnome as well as kde environments. I hear the impassioned objections of +some of our leaders, and admit that the weight of expressed opinion in +this thread is against it, but a number of us have found the ability to +do this useful at times and I request its restoration. + +I'd be happy as ftg commented that it still have the same red screen +warning etc etc as before - agree it makes sense not to be obvious. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6981">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6981">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6981">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6981">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/007776.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/007776.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a7477171e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/007776.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C0d915840397236e451f394e3e6cd32f5.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006969.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006970.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Handbooks%20-%20the%20lot&In-Reply-To=%3C0d915840397236e451f394e3e6cd32f5.squirrel%40mail.rmail.be%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Apr 11 13:52:36 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from +</I>>>><i> Olav +</I>>>><i> Vitters who wrote: +</I>>>><i> >  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more +</I>>>><i> practical. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have +</I>>>><i> it used +</I>>>><i> up by documentation I will not need" ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>>><i> practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>>><i> I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>>><i> don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>>><i> practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>>><i> disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>>><i> documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>>><i> internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>>><i> furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but +</I>>><i> 'practical': I don't see it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +</I>><i> individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +</I>><i> you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +</I>><i> what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +</I>><i> discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +</I>><i> documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +</I>><i> avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +</I>><i> for (A) AND (B), only for (A). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +doesn't the custom installer have an extra option not to include +documentation? and if you deselect everything, there's another section +where you can really remove ALL documentation... + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..10c3c600d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120411/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 11 April 2012 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>11 April 2012 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Apr 11 11:35:06 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Apr 11 22:45:29 CEST 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 18<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="006981.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A><A NAME="6981"> </A> +<I>Tony Blackwell +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6969"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6972"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6973"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6976"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6978"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006980.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A><A NAME="6980"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6974"> </A> +<I>Kevin Bulgrien +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6977"> </A> +<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6967"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6971"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="007776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="7776"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A><A NAME="6965"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006966.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI-based bugzilla? 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