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I am speaking in general. How is it more +</I>><i> > practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space. +</I>><i> > I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I +</I>><i> > don't see how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be +</I>><i> > practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of +</I>><i> > disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any +</I>><i> > documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an +</I>><i> > internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online, +</I>><i> > furthermore you have to search for it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not installing documentation, might be some reasons for it, but +</I>><i> > 'practical': I don't see it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on +</I>><i> individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as +</I>><i> you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is +</I> +That is not what I was after. + +I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that +is to exclude documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in +some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for +everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow +logical. Or: A -> B doesn't mean B -> A. + +><i> what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole +</I>><i> discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having +</I>><i> documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily* +</I>><i> avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved +</I>><i> for (A) AND (B), only for (A). +</I> +Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check +if it can be possible. + +At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +have to search for. + +-- +Regards, +Olav + + +If a flag like --excludedocs works from the command line, there could conceptually exist some /etc/urpmi file that specifies flags that tools should use by default. Since many flags are not universally applicable, this could be a source of issues though. On install, if the user does not check the documentation box, then this is how that feature is selected. + +I see disk space detection as less obvious and potentially problematic as it might block things a user does not want blocked. + +It also occurs to me that there ought to be a way to reverse the block and reprocess packages to install docs that were so blocked... in a gui app. +-- +Sent from my Android tablet. 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