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I thought I +</I>><i> >> clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread +</I>><i> >> is to find a solution. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need +</I>><i> > is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every +</I>><i> > request right away, you'll end up with a lot of options. Better to +</I>><i> > analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better +</I>><i> > experience than just another option somewhere. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> > At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the +</I>><i> >> > only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space +</I>><i> >> > concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will +</I>><i> >> > ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you +</I>><i> >> > have to search for. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the +</I>><i> >> rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about. +</I>><i> >> Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech +</I>><i> >> understanding. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I mean that is is better to know more than "exclude documentation". That +</I>><i> > is just a request, but I don't get why it is made. E.g. if the sole +</I>><i> > reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is +</I>><i> > to include this where disk space is handled. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I'm not talking technical, but more use cases. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but +</I>><i> > once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of +</I>><i> > documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude +</I>><i> > documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the +</I>><i> > notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to +</I>><i> > remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger +</I>><i> > disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was +</I>><i> > manually removed. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia +</I>><i> > installer, then such an installer option doesn't really help when you +</I>><i> > lack disk space later on. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Hope you're getting what I am after. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Btw: I am not trying to do anything near "stop energy", just want to +</I>><i> > understand the use case better. The "why" is what I am after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I see, thx for clarification. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, we have several use cases here: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don't want to +</I>><i> waste space for ballast. +</I>><i> 2 - disk is small, I don't want to waste space for ballast but I want +</I>><i> some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the +</I>><i> handbook I want and leave out all others) +</I>><i> 3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation +</I>><i> and only want the software installed which I really use. +</I>><i> 4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when +</I>><i> doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can't just say '--no-suggests') +</I>><i> 5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the +</I>><i> handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I +</I>><i> don't want to go 'rpm -e -nodeps' for each and every single handbook +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small +</I>><i> installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +On the other hand if someone has a real limit with hard disk space, he can +use another DE as icewm or lxde. +Or in KDE he can delete the handbook folder (doc/HTML) and what ever folder +thinks that takes usefulness place in the drive. +If we don't provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue +its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them. + +* I am not at home, actually how much space they take ? For what kind of +size we are talking about ? + + + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120411/4af42f98/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6977">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6977">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6977">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6977">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |