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Either people fix their email to be easy to +parse using a regexp ( ie one made by Email::Address ), or they will not +be contacted for the first batch. Alternatively, if someone want to do +the grunt job of correcting them, patchs and scripts are welcome. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2179">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2179">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2179">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2179">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002180.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002180.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..72498c10a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002180.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7aTBcTaX_SVsnorjfnUyaJ1Q9YcvMc9Ya6o%2BM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002226.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002193.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup</H1> + <B>Benoit Audouard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7aTBcTaX_SVsnorjfnUyaJ1Q9YcvMc9Ya6o%2BM%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup">baud123 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 01:36:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2180">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2180">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2180">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2180">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Re, + +2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>> + +><i> +</I>><i> I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some +</I>><i> part +</I>><i> will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review. +</I>><i> +</I> +here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, +enhanced and clarified) + <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A> + +1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org + + + done + + +><i> 2) Mirrors list +</I>><i> I'll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) +</I>><i> + an +</I>><i> svn read-only access to the code. +</I> + +done + + +><i> +</I>><i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee) +</I>><i> +</I>done + +><i> BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress. +</I>><i> +</I> +done, others welcome :) + +><i> +</I>><i> 4) Documentation +</I>><i> +</I>done + <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A> +may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / +precised?) + +I suggest editing <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</A> which is +on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any +people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring +process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time +from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?). + + +><i> Do you have comment or proposal about this process ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly +about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of +mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle +to determine what should be mirrored). That's why I tried to modelize it as +a mind-mind with xmind. + +Just have a look at: + <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A> +(well it's also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind +source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling +what you've changed) +@++ +Ben'. aka baud123 +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101005/ea8bce01/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2180">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2180">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2180">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2180">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002181.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002181.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f56e0be2c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002181.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20101005T013710-124%40post.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002193.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002189.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>André Machado</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20101005T013710-124%40post.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">afmachado at dcemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 01:53:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2181">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2181">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2181">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2181">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Apparently Kppp will be part +</I>><i> of the install package with KDE installs. +</I> +If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must +remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP +should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE. + +><i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems. +</I> +Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes, +depending on the place, hard to find. + +For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility +lies with the user, but we can give a force. + +I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where +we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something, +someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a +dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several +national providers. + +Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone +numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible - +but we could arrange, for now, a section on the wiki with settings tips +for the most common providers - these tips written by the users of the +distro - and in the future, maybe create some application where the user +can select their country, state, city and provider and the system does +the rest. Yes, it will be too much work, but the payoff will be huge. + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2181">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2181">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2181">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2181">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002182.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002182.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d6fc6049d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002182.html @@ -0,0 +1,155 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286238584.18131.14.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002192.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002183.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Christopher Swift</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286238584.18131.14.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">christopher.swift at linux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:29:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2182">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2182">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2182">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2182">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +Let's see other projects: +><i> +</I>><i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +</I>><i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +</I>><i> primarily) +</I> +As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United +Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk. + +><i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +</I>><i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) +</I> +Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that +Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For +example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +use Ubuntu. + +It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. + +><i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I> +The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. + +><i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I> +#debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. + +><i> * others? +</I> +Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +the name of the channel. + +><i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>><i> their preferred channel. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I> +Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +in both domain names and open source IRC projects. + +><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I> +Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. + +><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>><i> soon). +</I>><i> +</I> +Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +-England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. + +Cofion Gorau, +Christopher Swift +-- +Christopher Swift <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2182">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2182">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2182">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2182">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002183.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002183.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32591d44a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002183.html @@ -0,0 +1,166 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286238967.18440.1.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002182.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002185.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Christopher Swift</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286238967.18440.1.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">christopher.swift at linux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:36:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2183">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2183">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2183">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2183">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift: +><i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>><i> Let's see other projects: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +</I>><i> > strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +</I>><i> > primarily) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United +</I>><i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +</I>><i> > letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that +</I>><i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For +</I>><i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +</I>><i> use Ubuntu. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +</I>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I>><i> +</I>><i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +</I>><i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > * others? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +</I>><i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +</I>><i> the name of the channel. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>><i> > their preferred channel. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>><i> > 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>><i> > 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>><i> > 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>><i> > - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>><i> > 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>><i> > #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>><i> > would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>><i> > coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +</I>><i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +</I>><i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>><i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>><i> > Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>><i> > #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +</I>><i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +</I>><i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>><i> > Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>><i> > collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>><i> > technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>><i> > community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>><i> > soon). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I>><i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +</I>><i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +</I>><i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +</I>><i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>><i> Christopher Swift +</I> +Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United +Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can +verify this at +<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A> + + +Cofion Gorau, +Christopher Swift +-- +Christopher Swift <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2183">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2183">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2183">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2183">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002184.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002184.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a58133bf2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002184.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-C8743km1x1aNAXxiC8AMiEH82txJbRhM5THU%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002211.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002212.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D-C8743km1x1aNAXxiC8AMiEH82txJbRhM5THU%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:39:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2184">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2184">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2184">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2184">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:28, Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> In fact communication between humans is never simple :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maât +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. +</I> +I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread. +If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this +communication structure. +So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive +that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ? + +developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users +bugzilla, ML's, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated +... +HowTo's, guidelines, ... +Who does what where ? + +Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help. +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101005/31830be0/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2184">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2184">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2184">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2184">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002185.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002185.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d8f47f034 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002185.html @@ -0,0 +1,165 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA75CB.6080500%40broadpark.no%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002183.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002186.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Olav Dahlum</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA75CB.6080500%40broadpark.no%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">odahlum at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:48:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 05/10/10 02:36, Christopher Swift wrote: +><i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift: +</I>>><i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> Let's see other projects: +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +</I>>>><i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +</I>>>><i> primarily) +</I>>><i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United +</I>>><i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +</I>>>><i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) +</I>>><i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that +</I>>><i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For +</I>>><i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +</I>>><i> use Ubuntu. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +</I>>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +</I>>><i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * others? +</I>>><i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +</I>>><i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +</I>>><i> the name of the channel. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>>>><i> their preferred channel. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>>>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>>>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>>>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>>>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>>>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>>>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>>>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>>>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>>><i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +</I>>><i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +</I>>><i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>>><i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>>>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>>>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>>><i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +</I>>><i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +</I>>><i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>>>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>>>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>>>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>>>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>>>><i> soon). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I>>><i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +</I>>><i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +</I>>><i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +</I>>><i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>>><i> Christopher Swift +</I>><i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United +</I>><i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can +</I>><i> verify this at +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>><i> Christopher Swift +</I> +I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this +thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you +want community channels for your respective countries, use the country +codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language +codes. And excuses like "Fedora and Ubuntu have it" is not valid. It's +nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about +standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel +names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even +registered them. + +Olav Dahlum +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2185">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2185">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2185">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2185">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002186.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002186.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9af305728 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002186.html @@ -0,0 +1,165 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA7920.2040404%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002185.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002187.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Olav Dahlum</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA7920.2040404%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">odahlum at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 03:02:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 05/10/10 02:36, Christopher Swift wrote: +><i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift: +</I>>><i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> Let's see other projects: +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +</I>>>><i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +</I>>>><i> primarily) +</I>>><i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United +</I>>><i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +</I>>>><i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) +</I>>><i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that +</I>>><i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For +</I>>><i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +</I>>><i> use Ubuntu. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +</I>>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +</I>>><i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * others? +</I>>><i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +</I>>><i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +</I>>><i> the name of the channel. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>>>><i> their preferred channel. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>>>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>>>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>>>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>>>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>>>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>>>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>>>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>>>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>>><i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +</I>>><i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +</I>>><i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>>><i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>>>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>>>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>>><i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +</I>>><i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +</I>>><i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>>>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>>>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>>>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>>>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>>>><i> soon). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I>>><i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +</I>>><i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +</I>>><i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +</I>>><i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>>><i> Christopher Swift +</I>><i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United +</I>><i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can +</I>><i> verify this at +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>><i> Christopher Swift +</I> +I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as some people in this +thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you +want community channels for your respective countries, use the country +codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language +codes. And excuses like "Fedora and Ubuntu have it" is not valid. It's +nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about +standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel +names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even +registered them. + +Olav Dahlum +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2186">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2186">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2186">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2186">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002187.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002187.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b9b20a9d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002187.html @@ -0,0 +1,167 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA7A08.2070101%40broadpark.no%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002186.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002188.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Olav Dahlum</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAA7A08.2070101%40broadpark.no%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">odahlum at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 03:06:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 05/10/10 02:36, Christopher Swift wrote: +><i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift: +</I>>><i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> Let's see other projects: +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +</I>>>><i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +</I>>>><i> primarily) +</I>>><i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United +</I>>><i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +</I>>>><i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) +</I>>><i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that +</I>>><i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For +</I>>><i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +</I>>><i> use Ubuntu. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +</I>>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +</I>>><i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * others? +</I>>><i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +</I>>><i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +</I>>><i> the name of the channel. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>>>><i> their preferred channel. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>>>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>>>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>>>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>>>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>>>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>>>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>>>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>>>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>>><i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +</I>>><i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +</I>>><i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>>><i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>>>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>>>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>>><i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +</I>>><i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +</I>>><i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>>>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>>>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>>>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>>>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>>>><i> soon). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I>>><i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +</I>>><i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +</I>>><i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +</I>>><i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>>><i> Christopher Swift +</I>><i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United +</I>><i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can +</I>><i> verify this at +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>><i> Christopher Swift +</I> +I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this +thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you +want community channels for your respective countries, use the country +codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language +codes. And excuses like "Fedora and Ubuntu have it" is not valid. It's +nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about +standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel +names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even +registered them. + +Olav Dahlum + +Sorry for the typo above, I meant "some", not "most". +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002188.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002188.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2561ca10d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002188.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286241287.18942.23.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002187.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002190.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Christopher Swift</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286241287.18942.23.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">christopher.swift at linux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 03:14:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 03:06 +0200, ysgrifennodd Olav Dahlum: +><i> I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this +</I>><i> thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you +</I>><i> want community channels for your respective countries, use the country +</I>><i> codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language +</I>><i> codes. And excuses like "Fedora and Ubuntu have it" is not valid. It's +</I>><i> nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about +</I>><i> standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel +</I>><i> names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even +</I>><i> registered them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olav Dahlum +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry for the typo above, I meant "some", not "most". +</I> +Following on from Olav: +A great aspect of community is that it can adapted and varied to +whatever needs you want. It is perfectly possible to use Country Codes, +Language Codes and Regional Codes in unison with each other. Since the +English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is +this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be +an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in +most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default. +The same cannot be said for the Ukrainian language however to my +understanding it is only a majority language in the Ukraine itself and +as such there is no need for an international language-based channel +dedicated to the Ukrainian language but rather a localised channel for +the Ukraine's country where Ukraine is the default language. In this +instance since we have gone over this time and time again, the -ua +suffix is recognised as the country code for the Ukraine. So for those +two channels in question, one for the Ukraine and one for the United +Kingdom, -ua and -uk are deemed to be the most appropriate. + +There isn't much more to add to this. Because both groups will not be +focused on languages but rather locality the country code seems the best +option. I think it's best to leave the established -uk channel as it is +and to leave the Ukraine team to choose the standard -ua as established +across Freenode or to pick another name. + +Cofion Gorau, +Christopher Swift +-- +Christopher Swift <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2188">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2188">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2188">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2188">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002189.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002189.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d032b9c56 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002189.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8dvj9%24b7d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002181.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002192.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8dvj9%24b7d%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 03:38:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 19:53, André Machado a écrit : +>><i> Apparently Kppp will be part +</I>>><i> of the install package with KDE installs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must +</I>><i> remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP +</I>><i> should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes, +</I>><i> depending on the place, hard to find. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility +</I>><i> lies with the user, but we can give a force. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where +</I>><i> we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something, +</I>><i> someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a +</I>><i> dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several +</I>><i> national providers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone +</I>><i> numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible - +</I>><i> but we could arrange, for now, a section on the wiki with settings tips +</I>><i> for the most common providers - these tips written by the users of the +</I>><i> distro - and in the future, maybe create some application where the user +</I>><i> can select their country, state, city and provider and the system does +</I>><i> the rest. Yes, it will be too much work, but the payoff will be huge. +</I>><i> +</I> +This sounds reasonable, but let's not forget that the user will only be +able to access the Wiki AFTER the phone hookup is established. It would +be a good reference point though for help with Mageia dial-up, modem +scripts etc. + +I think its a good idea. + +Marc + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2189">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2189">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2189">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2189">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002190.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002190.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a32764233 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002190.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010050307.24414.richard.j.walker%40ntlworld.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002188.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002191.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Richard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010050307.24414.richard.j.walker%40ntlworld.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:07:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 05 October 2010 02:14:47 Christopher Swift wrote: +><i> Since the +</I>><i> English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is +</I>><i> this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be +</I>><i> an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in +</I>><i> most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default. +</I>><i> +</I>Ouch! Christopher, I was with you for a while there but whilst it isn't your +main theme, I'm afraid I just couldn't let this statement of yours go +un-challenged. + +Coming from the land somewhat to the left of yours and a little further up I +will confess that I would prefer the language designation to be en-UK rather +than en-GB. But we have have we have. However, as a native English speaker I +believe that an English language community for Mageia is not just desirable +but even necessary. + +Your assertion that "English language is the current lingua-franca of +technology" and by extension, I suppose, of computery things, is not my +perception. For Mandriva, and I suspect for Mageia too, the language should +more accurately be described as US English. Though they sound very similar +when spoken, the North American fork of the English language can look very +different on paper. Even in the spoken form there are jarring discordant +deviations from standard English grammar which are perfectly correct in US +English. + +So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out +is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports +to prove citizenship:-) + +Richard + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2190">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2190">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2190">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2190">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002191.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002191.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85cd8ca85 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002191.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikd7oeq7Y85zCtTd7Ve9pBSmQ8H3WVP%2BKq9FXLE%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002190.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002228.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikd7oeq7Y85zCtTd7Ve9pBSmQ8H3WVP%2BKq9FXLE%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:36:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2191">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2191">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2191">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2191">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Richard <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out +</I>><i> is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports +</I>><i> to prove citizenship:-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Richard +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I disagree. As a US Enlgish speaker, I also wrote for the UK-based +Linux Format magazine. There are differences in US and UK English, but +none so severe that meaning is lost. Many idioms are shared or at +least understandable. + +I appreciate the efforts of non-native English speakers to converse in +English, and even in those instances where they are speaking only a +bare approximation of English, I am still able to understand them. + +I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to +isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented +community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a +local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community +where the lingua-franca is English. + +-- +Cheers, +Hoyt +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2191">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2191">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2191">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2191">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002192.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002192.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2672ddeef --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002192.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286246937.29594.46.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002189.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002182.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286246937.29594.46.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:48:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 23:53 +0000, André Machado a écrit : +><i> > Apparently Kppp will be part +</I>><i> > of the install package with KDE installs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must +</I>><i> remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP +</I>><i> should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I prefer external modems, less driver problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes, +</I>><i> depending on the place, hard to find. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility +</I>><i> lies with the user, but we can give a force. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where +</I>><i> we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something, +</I>><i> someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a +</I>><i> dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several +</I>><i> national providers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone +</I>><i> numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible - +</I> +Well, that's exactly what is done for UMTS provider +( <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/">http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/</A> ). So i do +not see why it couldn't be done. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2192">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2192">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2192">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2192">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002193.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002193.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8bb9fa3af --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002193.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005070247.GA31235%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002180.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002181.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup</H1> + <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005070247.GA31235%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 09:02:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2193">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2193">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2193">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2193">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>* Benoit Audouard (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">baud123 at gmail.com</A>) wrote: +><i> Re, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some +</I>><i> > part +</I>><i> > will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, +</I>><i> enhanced and clarified) +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A> +</I> +Very good ! + +><i> done +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A> +</I>><i> may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / +</I>><i> precised?) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I suggest editing <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</A> which is +</I>><i> on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any +</I>><i> people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring +</I>><i> process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time +</I>><i> from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?). +</I> +It is an a idea. + +Since some people think having a text file at on the mirror tree is a +good idea I was more thinking to push this file into svn when we'll have +one. + +But at time, I can synchronize it from wiki. + +-- + +Olivier Thauvin +CNRS - LATMOS +♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 197 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101005/0641db8e/attachment-0001.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2193">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2193">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2193">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2193">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002194.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002194.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..42588480b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002194.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimdAzFGo6NZLjWnAiCyKLu5Js%2BuX0kwJN0ukJbB%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002228.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002195.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Christopher Swift</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimdAzFGo6NZLjWnAiCyKLu5Js%2BuX0kwJN0ukJbB%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">christopher.swift at linux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 09:03:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 03:07, Richard <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 02:14:47 Christopher Swift wrote: +</I>>><i> Since the +</I>>><i> English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is +</I>>><i> this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be +</I>>><i> an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in +</I>>><i> most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Ouch! Christopher, I was with you for a while there but whilst it isn't your +</I>><i> main theme, I'm afraid I just couldn't let this statement of yours go +</I>><i> un-challenged. +</I><snip> +><i> Your assertion that "English language is the current lingua-franca of +</I>><i> technology" and by extension, I suppose, of computery things, is not my +</I>><i> perception. For Mandriva, and I suspect for Mageia too, the language should +</I>><i> more accurately be described as US English. Though they sound very similar +</I>><i> when spoken, the North American fork of the English language can look very +</I>><i> different on paper. Even in the spoken form there are jarring discordant +</I>><i> deviations from standard English grammar which are perfectly correct in US +</I>><i> English. +</I> +It's true that in "computery things" en_US is more of the lingua +franca than en_GB or en_IE while although there are some minor +varieties in phrases and sometimes grammar, the American "write me" +compared to the British "write to me" the differences are small enough +that the US and the UK folk can for the most part understand each +other with very little difficulty. <OT> The main problem that faces me +in American English is their preference of -ization to -isation but I +can come to terms with that over time... </OT> + +><i> So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out +</I>><i> is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports +</I>><i> to prove citizenship:-) +</I>><i> +</I>And this is what I've gathered so far from idling the channel for the +United Kingdom. I can assure you that there's no nationality test as +you join it however at the same time it provides the opportunity for +like-minded folk from the same locality to get along and by all means +the Dutch, Ukrainians, Americans and everyone else is welcome to +attend providing they have a basic command of English (even if that +means using Google Translate)! + + +On 5 October 2010 03:36, Hoyt Duff <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to +</I>><i> isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented +</I>><i> community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a +</I>><i> local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community +</I>><i> where the lingua-franca is English. +</I> +I partly agree that if you become to attached to a subset of the +community, in this case -uk then you might not take the time to join +the channel channels such as #mageia. At the same time having +community channels to me for local or national groups is a great way +to be more inclusive to people in those regions without the need to be +excluding outsiders, as always other nationalities are welcome to join +the -uk channel even though its target is the UK audience. The +reasons for choosing to target a country rather than a language can +differ from reasons such as wanting to setup local events for Mageia +(unlikely for the immediate future but this time next year who +knows?), providing local support such as British computer vendors that +sell hardware compatible with Mageia without the need for downloading +drivers not included in the standard distribution and it can even act +to help with the en_GB localisation of Mageia specific strings one +day. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2194">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2194">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2194">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2194">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002195.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002195.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a80ac1462 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002195.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimrtbBSUxo2SvFBrWKNbnMbLV4RuZVhS_ZBNogL%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002194.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002201.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimrtbBSUxo2SvFBrWKNbnMbLV4RuZVhS_ZBNogL%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 10:38:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2195">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2195">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2195">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2195">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 02:29, Christopher Swift +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>><i> Let's see other projects: +</I>>><i> [...] +</I>><i> For example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers +</I>><i> who use Ubuntu. +</I> +So again, no consistency (that I don't blame! it was just to know if +other project used a consistent scheme or not). According to above +Ubuntu wiki page, #ubuntu-es ought to be for the Spain country. + +><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is.  The +</I>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I> +ccTLD is an option but again, it's using a location-based hint for +channels than a language-based (which is our main point from day one, +having location-based as exceptions). + +><i> By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>><i> channel.  -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I> +True. + +><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I> +Sure. Just that, it's not a strict, consistent rule regarding what +suffix to use for what purpose (be it language-based, location-based, +using language or country or ccTLD code); it's more like a "first come +first served" usage. Which I don't blame; it's something else, has the +great merit to simplify the setup. + +We can go for that, it will be easier for everyone and stop the fuss, +provided some naming guidance rules: + - use the suffix you want in the #mageia-{suffix} format (reserved +are -council, -board and other roles/teams related ones - ask in case +of doubt); you may actually use a totally different name for your +channel, won't prevent from being referenced; + - first come, first served, + - contact the IRC Mageia team (email/irc contact to define) to get it +listed with all Mageia-related channels (we ought to dedicate a page +for that on the wiki - that will be the main entry point anyway - +<A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> looks like a good template). + +So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's +grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route +web site list to this one). + +Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For +Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else? + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2195">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2195">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2195">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2195">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002196.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002196.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fcc229d92 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002196.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005101213.520931a2%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002227.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002198.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Margot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005101213.520931a2%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 11:12:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:48:58 -0400 +Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> >> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically +</I>><i> > dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and +</I>><i> > not .co.gb .org.gb etc. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The full name of our country is the "United Kingdom of Great +</I>><i> > Britain & Northern Ireland" - using the GB code is offensive +</I>><i> > to people from Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a +</I>><i> > valued part of the United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great +</I>><i> > Britain. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the +</I>><i> > United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hi Margot: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fortunately for all concerned, the issues with ISO country codes +</I>><i> had nothing to do politically, it was by agreement by all. +</I>><i> Ireland has its own country code all of its own. ISO agreement +</I>><i> are traditionally closely monitored by the UN membership states. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I> +Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK. + +I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of +information, but this page is pretty accurate: + +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> + +-- +Margot +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +**Otford Ducks Computers** +We teach, you learn... +...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2196">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2196">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2196">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2196">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002197.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002197.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d2ff62427 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002197.html @@ -0,0 +1,136 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAB055F.80108%40o2.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002206.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002207.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>doug</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAB055F.80108%40o2.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">dougrb at o2.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 13:00:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 04/10/10 16:10, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 11:44 +0100, doug a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a +</I>>><i> telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection, +</I>>><i> e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged +</I>>><i> to depend on a 'dongle'? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely +</I>>><i> available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the +</I>>><i> Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself +</I>>><i> uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in +</I>>><i> particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted +</I>>><i> out for different broadband providers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you have information to share, you should fill a bug report. +</I> + +I'm not clear where I could file a bug report. +I can certainly set out what worked for me with Mandriva +2009.1 for a particular provider. It didn't seem especially +complicated; the main problem was tracking down the relevant +information in the first place. +So where would I send it? + +><i> Developers cannot really track down every provider on the planet. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the +</I>><i> only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not +</I>><i> user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g +</I>><i> modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug +</I>><i> report. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I> + +<quote from later in this thread>............................... + > > Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial +settings and phone + > > numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, +perhaps, impossible - +Well, that's exactly what is done for UMTS provider +( +<A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/">http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/</A> +). So i do +not see why it couldn't be done. + <end quote> + +Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default +dongle installation and a number of representative providers +or appropriate links? + +Doug +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2197">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2197">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2197">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2197">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002198.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002198.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0c510fc59 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002198.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimmfLL0zdAGFKYpiXztW%2BcD_%3D_aMf_fGNnFbSZJ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002196.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002203.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimmfLL0zdAGFKYpiXztW%2BcD_%3D_aMf_fGNnFbSZJ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 13:40:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2198">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2198">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2198">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2198">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Sorry to interrupt, but IMHO that differences between en-US and en-UK +could not be bigger than differences between Spanish from Spain and +Spanish from Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Bolvia, Paraguay, and so on. We +all were colonies for almost the same time and in the same period. + +The main language (don't know, maybe more than 95%?) is the same +Spanish for all countries. We understand each other perfectly. + +See www.blogdrake.net: we're the Spanish speaking community. We're +integrated by people from Spain and all Latinamerica. And we share +all: forum, mailing lists, IRC. + +Main BOFH from Blogdrake is from El Salvador. Previous main BOFH is +from Spain, but he lives in USA. I'm a "junior" BOFH and I am from +Argentina. We have BOFH from Mexico, Spain, Chile, etc. + +I don't like to stop and look on every single detail that separates +us. Let's make a pol and see how many blond members we have and let's +create a channel for them. + +Ups! But let's see how many blond people speaks German. And how many +speak English. So we can have a channel for blond English speaker +people and a channel fro blond German speaker people. + +And after that, we can ask how many gays are there. + +In some point, we must stop. + +My 2 cents. + + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2198">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2198">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2198">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2198">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002199.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002199.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4029bc823 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002199.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20en%20Enli2010&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikkC9SOgO2FcO-ySFk%2Bb9iSUKt9UB6wiuCGSztV%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002207.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002200.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20en%20Enli2010&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikkC9SOgO2FcO-ySFk%2Bb9iSUKt9UB6wiuCGSztV%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 14:37:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 01:33, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>> wrote: +><i> Well I got an oportunity on presenting Mageia in Enli2010 conferences +</I>><i> (www.enli.org.mx).  Can we all work on a presentation?  So mexican people get +</I>><i> involved and see this +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I will place initial ODP in a public place so we may place suggestion. +</I> +Please do. We don't have material for this yet but indeed, that would +be great. Indeed we're stioll at the introduction stage but pieces are +coming into place. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2199">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2199">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2199">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2199">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002200.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002200.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..45a6080ed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002200.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051023.25047.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002199.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002213.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051023.25047.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:23:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2200">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2200">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2200">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2200">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Junior, +Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net: +(<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>). +Abs +MacXi + + +Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +escreveu: +><i> MacXi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa colocar +</I>><i> um link para uma página que explique o que é. +</I>><i> Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado. +</I>><i> Abraços, +</I>><i> Júnior +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2200">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2200">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2200">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2200">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002201.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002201.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c7f1945cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002201.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286283847.4561.10.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002195.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002205.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Christopher Swift</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C1286283847.4561.10.camel%40ianto-amd-gentoo.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">christopher.swift at linux.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:04:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 10:38 +0200, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +><i> So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's +</I>><i> grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route +</I>><i> web site list to this one). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For +</I>><i> Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +Seems like this is all wrapped up at last. Ideally we could a model of +both local teams and language teams being able to use a 2 character +country/language code. It might be possible to have for example +#mageia-es to cater for Spanish speaking support and local Spanish +events if that is the will of the channel owner, or one or the other. I +reckon that we should take this on a case-by-case basis by listening to +the teams involved in how they would like their #mageia-* namespace to +be used. + +With regions such as Wales (Cymru in Welsh) it may be a better option to +use three letter codes such as -cym for Cymru, -sco for Scotland or -bzh +for Brittany. Or we could have #mageia-fr-br to represent that Brittany +is part of France and #mageia-uk-cy to show that Cymru/Wales is part of +the UK. We should try to stick to the ISO standards are closely as +possible but there may be times where two groups, i.e. a country code +and a language code may conflict and it best to serve those on a first +come first served basis in my humble opinion. + +Anyone else got any differing ideas for the matter at hand? + +Cofion Gorau +Chris +-- +Christopher Swift <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2201">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2201">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2201">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2201">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002202.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002202.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..793706d7c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002202.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f7tl%24nbc%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002217.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002204.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f7tl%24nbc%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:07:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 05:12, Margot a écrit : +><i> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:48:58 -0400 +</I>><i> Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically +</I>>>><i> dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and +</I>>>><i> not .co.gb .org.gb etc. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The full name of our country is the "United Kingdom of Great +</I>>>><i> Britain& Northern Ireland" - using the GB code is offensive +</I>>>><i> to people from Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a +</I>>>><i> valued part of the United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great +</I>>>><i> Britain. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the +</I>>>><i> United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Hi Margot: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Fortunately for all concerned, the issues with ISO country codes +</I>>><i> had nothing to do politically, it was by agreement by all. +</I>>><i> Ireland has its own country code all of its own. ISO agreement +</I>>><i> are traditionally closely monitored by the UN membership states. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of +</I>><i> information, but this page is pretty accurate: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by +international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at +the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of +this agreement. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2202">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2202">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2202">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2202">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002203.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002203.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f66ea2517 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002203.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051015.39262.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002198.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002209.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051015.39262.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:15:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 05 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Gustavo Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> who wrote: + +><i> Sorry to interrupt, but IMHO that differences between en-US and en-UK +</I>><i> could not be bigger than differences between Spanish from Spain and +</I>><i> Spanish from Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Bolvia, Paraguay, and so on. We +</I>><i> all were colonies for almost the same time and in the same period. +</I> +And the languages have diverged ever since the colonization over four hundred +years ago, with the result that Paraguay Spanish, heavily salted with words +and expressions borrowed from the Guarani, is in my opinion as far removed +from the Spanish of Spain as Broad Scots is from the Quenn's English. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + On ne peut pas aimer vraiment une femme + sans aimer un peu toutes les femmes + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2203">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2203">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2203">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2203">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002204.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002204.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2139f34ff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002204.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DU5zEy_njgTVR0OLnjKwiAQXJocJkOJOkySe2D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002202.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002208.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DU5zEy_njgTVR0OLnjKwiAQXJocJkOJOkySe2D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:23:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of +</I>>><i> information, but this page is pretty accurate: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by +</I>><i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the +</I>><i> time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of this +</I>><i> agreement. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think you keep confusing Ireland as a country and Ireland as geographical +</I>island. Ireland the country does not cover all of Ireland the geographical +island. +Ireland's country code is IE but does not apply to the whole of Ireland the +geographical island. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> is not +part of +IE but of UK. + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101005/598ea54f/attachment-0001.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2204">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2204">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2204">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2204">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002205.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002205.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2f5293080 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002205.html @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f91u%24su7%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002201.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002210.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f91u%24su7%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:26:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 09:04, Christopher Swift a écrit : +><i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 10:38 +0200, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny: +</I>>><i> So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's +</I>>><i> grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route +</I>>><i> web site list to this one). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For +</I>>><i> Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Seems like this is all wrapped up at last. Ideally we could a model of +</I>><i> both local teams and language teams being able to use a 2 character +</I>><i> country/language code. It might be possible to have for example +</I>><i> #mageia-es to cater for Spanish speaking support and local Spanish +</I>><i> events if that is the will of the channel owner, or one or the other. I +</I>><i> reckon that we should take this on a case-by-case basis by listening to +</I>><i> the teams involved in how they would like their #mageia-* namespace to +</I>><i> be used. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With regions such as Wales (Cymru in Welsh) it may be a better option to +</I>><i> use three letter codes such as -cym for Cymru, -sco for Scotland or -bzh +</I>><i> for Brittany. Or we could have #mageia-fr-br to represent that Brittany +</I>><i> is part of France and #mageia-uk-cy to show that Cymru/Wales is part of +</I>><i> the UK. We should try to stick to the ISO standards are closely as +</I>><i> possible but there may be times where two groups, i.e. a country code +</I>><i> and a language code may conflict and it best to serve those on a first +</I>><i> come first served basis in my humble opinion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyone else got any differing ideas for the matter at hand? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau +</I>><i> Chris +</I> +In order to circumvent problems with the confusion of 2 letter code with +country-code and language-code designation, the ISO ratified the ISO +country-code with 2 letters +(<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>); ISO +ratified the ISO language-code with 2 or 3 letters +(<A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?order=639_3&letter=e">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?order=639_3&letter=e</A>) -- not that +the SIL International, site that this link points to, is the +international organization in charge of codifying the language codes.. + +In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo +3 letter would solve the problem. + +#mageia-uk (channel for country-localization - UK) +#mageia-eng (channel for language-localization - English language) + +#mageia-fr (channel for country-localization- France)) +#mageia-fra (channel for language-localization - French language) + +#mageia-es (channel for country-localization - Spain) +#mageia-spa (channel for language-localization - spanish language) + +The is clear and easily explainable and verifyable by identifying our +reasons in a FAQ item with a link to the sites in charge of the conventions. + +How easy is that? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2205">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2205">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2205">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2205">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002206.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002206.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..add228629 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002206.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f94f%24su7%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002208.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002197.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f94f%24su7%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:27:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of +</I>>><i> information, but this page is pretty accurate: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by +</I>><i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at +</I>><i> the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of +</I>><i> this agreement. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I forgot the link: + +<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A> + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2206">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2206">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2206">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2206">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002207.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002207.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b589c0834 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002207.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f9h6%24v6p%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002197.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002199.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f9h6%24v6p%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:34:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default dongle +</I>><i> installation and a number of representative providers or appropriate links? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Doug +</I>><i> +</I> +This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups quite a +dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on their financial +success. When they are successful, the get bought out. It would be best, +in my opinion, as a FAQ or Wiki item that would somehow be available to +users at the time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of +space on a disc. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2207">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2207">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2207">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2207">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002208.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002208.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4fead96e6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002208.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f9ai%24su7%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002204.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002206.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f9ai%24su7%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:30:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 09:23, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A> +</I>><i> <mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of +</I>><i> information, but this page is pretty accurate: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by +</I>><i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement +</I>><i> at the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was +</I>><i> part of this agreement. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think you keep confusing Ireland as a country and Ireland as +</I>><i> geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of Ireland +</I>><i> the geographical island. +</I>><i> Ireland's country code is IE but does not apply to the whole of Ireland +</I>><i> the geographical island. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> +</I>><i> is not part of +</I>><i> IE but of UK. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Frederic +</I> +But you are speaking on a geographical/physical term which is what we +are not. We are speaking of country-code and language-code. There could +be an international organization codifying the geographical/physical +code of land masses --- I don't know. + +But this is not what we are talking about. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2208">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2208">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2208">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2208">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002209.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002209.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c87d231c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002209.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik0Yjp52XMRV--Ln385%3DN%3DAujcCZwj9JWwXvEq8%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002203.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002217.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik0Yjp52XMRV--Ln385%3DN%3DAujcCZwj9JWwXvEq8%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:47:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> And the languages have diverged ever since the colonization over four hundred +</I>><i> years ago, with the result that Paraguay Spanish, heavily salted with words +</I>><i> and expressions borrowed from the Guarani, is in my opinion as far removed +</I>><i> from the Spanish of Spain as Broad Scots is from the Quenn's English. +</I> +Yes, people from Paraguay in some cases, speak Guarani too. And mix +both languages. But they can speak Spanish only. I know it because I +know people from Paraguay, born in Paraguay, that came here for work. +And guess what? We both speak Spanish!!!!! Wow!!!! And we can +understand each other!!!!!! + +We have different accent, but use same Spanish. Call it "neutral +Spanish", "basic Spanish", "traditional Spanish". Insults may differ +(but not all insults XDDDDDD). + +And, in Argentina, in province of Corrientes, people use to talk both, +Spanish and Guarani. And guess what? They are also Argentinean!!!! In +fact, my mother-in-law is from Corrientes, but she doesn't speak +Guarani. Only Spanish... + +Truth is that, if you really want to separate, you will always find a reason. + +I speak with people from Chile, from Bolivia, from Paraguay. I +understand all of them and they understand me. + +I watch movies from Spain (like movies from Alex De La Iglesia) and I +understand every single word. Even "regionalisms" because you see the +context and the "base" language is the same. + +You must "live" the experience. Spanish is almost the same in all +countries. All Latin American countries speak Spanish as dictated by +RAE (Real Academia Española www.rae.es ) + +Nobody told me. I lived the experience. That's why (no disrespect +intended) nothing you can write will change my mind. + +As far as I know, Americans and British fought WW II together and they +understood each other. Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair use to talk each other +without translators. And Americans can read Shakespeare pretty well ;) + +You really think that four hundred years made Spain to speak Spanish +and Argentineans to speak something so different like the Japanese??? + +And we both should stop here. IMHO we're hijacking the thread + +Cheers! + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2209">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2209">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2209">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2209">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002210.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002210.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..074075f89 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002210.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DNB71dYOWYEyzDmWCAU%3D%3Dz1DZA%2B9jKThQbJVDq%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002205.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002211.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DNB71dYOWYEyzDmWCAU%3D%3Dz1DZA%2B9jKThQbJVDq%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:04:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:26, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +><i> In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo 3 +</I>><i> letter would solve the problem. +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How easy is that? +</I> +As said above, this is sorted out now. Thanks a lot for all comments +and ideas but this is not going to end otherwise. + +As explained on the wiki page linked before, first come, first served; +you may use this 2/3-ISO scheme as well if you like but it will not be +enforced backwards (unless we see a massive registration for both +usages - location and language + an agreement on this afterwise). + +Let's move on. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2210">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2210">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2210">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2210">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002211.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002211.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddc2ac2b7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002211.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8fc1d%24c54%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002210.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002184.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8fc1d%24c54%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:17:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2211">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2211">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2211">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2211">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 10:04, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:26, Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo 3 +</I>>><i> letter would solve the problem. +</I>>><i> [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How easy is that? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As said above, this is sorted out now. Thanks a lot for all comments +</I>><i> and ideas but this is not going to end otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As explained on the wiki page linked before, first come, first served; +</I>><i> you may use this 2/3-ISO scheme as well if you like but it will not be +</I>><i> enforced backwards (unless we see a massive registration for both +</I>><i> usages - location and language + an agreement on this afterwise). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let's move on. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +No problem. Sorry for the rants. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2211">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2211">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2211">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2211">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002212.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002212.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be78ac9a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002212.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAB3511.90908%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002184.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002216.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CAB3511.90908%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:24:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this +</I>><i> communication structure. +</I>><i> +</I>I'm involved in forum part... that's just a tiny part of the whole +communication structure :) + +><i> So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more +</I>><i> constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it +</I>><i> now ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users +</I>><i> bugzilla, ML's, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, +</I>><i> moderated ... +</I>><i> +</I>Developers will organize themselves i guess... as already said i think +that nobody should try to force them to do things. + +Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to +bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a +(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team. + +-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users +(and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced +users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give +users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of. +The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome +users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time +consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number +will be, the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy +will be Mageia end users. + +This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho +will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm +borrowing Goom's "clown nose") + +Qualities required (let's dream ^^) : + + * Good knowledge of installation and drak*wizards + general + knowledge of linux and software you can run. + * At least basic knowledge of howto deal with errors (where to find + logs and error messages, basic decoding of these messages) + * Indulgence and understanding for basic newbies errors and frequent + misunderstandings + * A holy halo would be appréciated (and angel wings also) ^^ + * And the reflex to call developers and packagers for help when the + problems appear to be really complex... + + +-- Moderators will be the warrants of netiquette, respect between users, +fair play and Mageia spirit. They can also be part of Support team if +they have the knowledge and the time to carry both tasks well. We will +rely on them to limit trolls and to ensure people don't fight each other +or infringe forum rules. They'll need to be very present even if not +clearly active on topics. This burden is very time consuming and can +also need a good self control. + +Qualities required : + + * Easy communication (think of Freenode's catalysts description) + * Phlegm + * Self control in case the previous qualities prove to be not enough + * Wisdom if ultimately needed ^^ + +-- Administrators will be the warrants of the forum activity under the +control of Mageia board. They will do low level tasks, code features +patch bugs, create groups, organize and maintain forum structure, do +maintenance and update operations, give rights to groups, be forbidden +to sleep when things go wrong. They will manage moderator teams and help +them if necessary. Having strong cooperation and real trust between +Moderators and Administrators is very important. + +There will be probably other groups like "Board members", "Packagers", +"Translators", "Doc writers", "Cauldron testers". Dunno yet if those +groups will have special rights or features enabled. At the beginning +nope but as (hopefully) cool changes are hacked and mods added things +will probably evolve :) + +And i guess howtos and guides will be helpful at least for Support Team +and Moderators... + +Cheers, +Maât + +><i> HowTo's, guidelines, ... +</I>><i> Who does what where ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help. +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Frederic +</I> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2212">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2212">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2212">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2212">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002213.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002213.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40c1a86a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002213.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTintEt8MEfLpEgQXQ4gu_Z-cLjPHwtmeyoR8Kmnh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002200.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002214.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTintEt8MEfLpEgQXQ4gu_Z-cLjPHwtmeyoR8Kmnh%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">ajunior at brasifort.com.br + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:41:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>MacXi, + +Só pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes são chamadas apenas +de T1, T2, T3... + +Abraços, + +Júnior + +Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>> escreveu: + +><i> Junior, +</I>><i> Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net: +</I>><i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>). +</I>><i> Abs +</I>><i> MacXi +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I>><i> escreveu: +</I>><i> > MacXi, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa colocar +</I>><i> > um link para uma página que explique o que é. +</I>><i> > Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado. +</I>><i> > Abraços, +</I>><i> > Júnior +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101005/5fa05ad5/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2213">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2213">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2213">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2213">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002214.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002214.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..778ff9158 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002214.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimzKimoxg1_uhFbLDe7UXftSVrW6C3iNRFm6__B%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002213.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002219.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimzKimoxg1_uhFbLDe7UXftSVrW6C3iNRFm6__B%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:43:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2214">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2214">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2214">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2214">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/5 Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ajunior at brasifort.com.br</A>>: +><i> MacXi, +</I>><i> Só pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes são chamadas apenas +</I>><i> de T1, T2, T3... +</I> +Could you please use english language on -discuss ? +Thanks + +><i> Abraços, +</I>><i> Júnior +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>> escreveu: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Junior, +</I>>><i> Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net: +</I>>><i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>). +</I>>><i> Abs +</I>>><i> MacXi +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I>>><i> escreveu: +</I>>><i> > MacXi, +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa +</I>>><i> > colocar +</I>>><i> >  um link para uma página que explique o que é. +</I>>><i> > Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado. +</I>>><i> > Abraços, +</I>>><i> > Júnior +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2214">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2214">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2214">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2214">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002215.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002215.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c7f43e9a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002215.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dg2MZF8kW6EeL1nJCDXuDyzwkGm6D_MzjtpPas%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002179.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002218.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dg2MZF8kW6EeL1nJCDXuDyzwkGm6D_MzjtpPas%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 17:03:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2215">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2215">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2215">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2215">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 00:38, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 15:26 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i>  * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team +</I>>><i>    has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain +</I>>><i>    why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve); +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hu ? +</I>><i> ( ie what "alternative packaging practice" ? ) +</I> +Well, I guess that not all that enlisted in the packaging team are +from the Cooker packagers group. + +So there are a process, documents to agree all on so that the whole +Team works well together. Process for working together (according to +set standards - here in this case, I believe we should base all this +on current Cooker practices and policies - but it's best that the Team +itself decides on its own). + +Discussing it further with founding members (mentoring program, how to +apply), here are a few _important details_. + +All teams discussion channels should be of public access (at least one +place to join and follow what happens). + +Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view): + * "Apprentices" (people being mentored into the team - someone +suggested "petit scarabée" as a label but...) + * and "Masters". + +Depending on Teams, there may be more than that (for instance, Web +team may have apprentice, master, webmaster or a more specific role - +vetoing what goes online for instance). + +The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for +decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure. + +Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure, +provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if +an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the +mentoring process. + +Now, to start the train, we've got to figure who will be first Masters +and Apprentices. We expect everyone to be square on this and would +like to start with the following rule, provided things go smoothly +after. + +We are suggesting here for packagers only, that's a specific case. +Each team should come up with its own agreement. Packaging Team +Masters are those who are Cooker maintainers as of today. Others are +Apprentices. Packaging team should focus then on build-system setup +and mentoring process. Apprentices may become masters at any time, +it's up for each team to decide. + +Should there be any conflict or gray-zone, don't get upset, just tell +us and we will try to sort this out. In last resort, of course, the +founding board will decide if needed. + +Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly. + +Note that this somewhat chaotic step is happening only to start the whole thing. + +Thanks a lot for your comments and points. + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2215">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2215">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2215">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2215">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002216.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002216.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f1b7f9817 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002216.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051657340.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002212.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002222.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051657340.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 17:07:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2216">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2216">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2216">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2216">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Maât wrote: + +><i> Developers will organize themselves i guess... as already said i think +</I>><i> that nobody should try to force them to do things. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to +</I>><i> bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a +</I>><i> (hopefully big) number of them in forum support team. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Moderators will be the warrants of netiquette, respect between users, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Administrators will be the warrants of the forum activity under the +</I>[...] + +Please don't take this personal, but this sounds like the plan to +organise an army rather than a fun project. + +Personally I see myself in none and at the same time in many of those +groups. I enrolled (to use army terminology) in the packager team but so +far for example i did the italian translation of the mageia home page +and the demonstration of the forum gateway, both things completely +unrelated to packaging. + +I understand that some people like to just focus on one niche (and +they should be able to do just that), but others like myself get quickly +bored doing just one thing all the time, so personally I hope the +structure won't be so rigid that people like myself can't collaborate a +bit everywhere. + +For example I will be on the forum too, occasionally helping newbies, I +might spot someone reporting what looks like a bug in app that i have +packaged so i might look at it straightaway (bypassing the bug/triage +team), etc. + +So I hope the Mageia leaders will keep this into account and encourage +mixing between the teams, rather than rigid separation. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2216">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2216">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2216">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2216">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002217.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002217.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c14f685cd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002217.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051237.30223.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002209.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002202.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051237.30223.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 17:37:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2217">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2217">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2217">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2217">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 05 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Gustavo Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>> who wrote: + +><i> Yes, people from Paraguay in some cases, speak Guarani too. And mix +</I>><i> both languages. But they can speak Spanish only. I know it because I +</I>><i> know people from Paraguay, born in Paraguay, that came here for work. +</I>><i> And guess what? We both speak Spanish!!!!! Wow!!!! And we can +</I>><i> understand each other!!!!!! +</I> +With the distinction that, when they speak the Spanish you understand, they +are not speaking their mother-tongue, but a similar foreign language, which +they had to learn at school; like the Scots who speaks English instead of +Broad Scots, so he can be understood by the Sasenachs. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents + and the second half by our children. + -- Clarence Darrow + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2217">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2217">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2217">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2217">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002218.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002218.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..10006be67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002218.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051740520.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Tb encontrei um link na net: +</I>>>><i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>). +</I>>>><i> Abs +</I>>>><i> MacXi +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, às 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I>>>><i> escreveu: +</I>>>>><i> MacXi, +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa +</I>>>>><i> colocar +</I>>>>><i> um link para uma página que explique o que é. +</I>>>>><i> Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado. +</I>>>>><i> Abraços, +</I>>>>><i> Júnior +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +DjeZAeL +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2219">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2219">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2219">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2219">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002220.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002220.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..97d846d63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002220.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DO_-vTSM-acPL7%3DsHrjfh0VpRedrp4YCMG6erb%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002218.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002221.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DO_-vTSM-acPL7%3DsHrjfh0VpRedrp4YCMG6erb%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 18:10:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 17:48, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view): +</I>>><i>  * "Apprentices" (people being mentored into the team - someone +</I>>><i> suggested "petit scarabée" as a label but...) +</I>>><i>  * and "Masters". +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain, that sound like a very rigid regimented structure that I fear +</I>><i> will cause "i'm better than you" kind of feelings, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't see the point in strictly classifying people in either masters +</I>><i> or slaves (sorry, freudian slip, i meant apprentices) because skill +</I>><i> levels are a lot more varied and fluid than just two classes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course there will be mentors and mentored but there is no need to +</I>><i> create a rigid two class structure with priviledges for the master +</I>><i> class. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This sounds very much against the spirit of a collaborative community to +</I>><i> me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please also read my other related post: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=66&goto=596#msg_596">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=66&goto=596#msg_596</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I hope this dual-class system is not set in stone already. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +It's not about skill, it's about experience, any packager who's going +to gain commit/submit privileges to the official repos needs to be +clued in on how that system works, what packaging rules to follow, +what's to avoid... etc; some how like the mailing lists etiquette +users, who were posting to mailing lists for the very first time, +needed to learn. The difference here is submitting a package in the +repos means many users may use it, so stricter rules apply here. + +And the apprenticeship won't take a year, probably about 1 month (2 at +the very most), depending on each mentors' time. Collaborating means +new comers should be taught on how that they collaborating in should +work :) + +FWIW, most of the packagers who maintained packages in Mandriva went +through the same teaching/apprenticeship process. + +“Reminds me of Star Wars, 'Apprentice' does” :) + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002221.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002221.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a88ad5795 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002221.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikBBAZAm6C3kuZzX2pWw7sxyDsj8sgUc1ERS%2B4u%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Of course you can do support and translation +and triage,, etc. occasionally. But as a Moderator you have an +obligation to be present once you committed yourself to that job. +Can't be that there is no Mod around when needed because all of them +are doing other tasks. +I am not a friend of rigid structures but I see the necessity where it +is needed. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2222">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2222">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2222">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2222">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002223.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002223.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a86f36d4a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002223.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051829580.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002222.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002227.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051829580.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 18:37:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2223">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2223">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2223">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2223">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: + +><i> The point of the structure is not separating tasks but ensuring that +</I>><i> people who volunteered for one task will have the time and commitment +</I>><i> to carry out this task not only occasionally but for the whole time he +</I>><i> can dedicate to Mageia. Of course you can do support and translation +</I>><i> and triage,, etc. occasionally. But as a Moderator you have an +</I>><i> obligation to be present once you committed yourself to that job. +</I>><i> Can't be that there is no Mod around when needed because all of them +</I>><i> are doing other tasks. +</I> +If that's how it is intended, then that's fine by me, my concern was +primarily that the structures described might hinder occasional +spontaneous additional volunteer work in other teams/tasks than the +one, that someone enrolled in, without having to first enroll in other +teams. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2223">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2223">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2223">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2223">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002224.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002224.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a59545479 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002224.html @@ -0,0 +1,204 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C1286297739.29594.181.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002221.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002225.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C1286297739.29594.181.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 18:55:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2224">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2224">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2224">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2224">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 17:03 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 00:38, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 15:26 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team +</I>><i> >> has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain +</I>><i> >> why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve); +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Hu ? +</I>><i> > ( ie what "alternative packaging practice" ? ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, I guess that not all that enlisted in the packaging team are +</I>><i> from the Cooker packagers group. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So there are a process, documents to agree all on so that the whole +</I>><i> Team works well together. Process for working together (according to +</I>><i> set standards - here in this case, I believe we should base all this +</I>><i> on current Cooker practices and policies - but it's best that the Team +</I>><i> itself decides on its own). +</I> +I also think we should use the cooker practices and policy. If we intend +to fork mandriva, we should start at this point. And once we have a +release, then we can discuss to change the policy. + +><i> Discussing it further with founding members (mentoring program, how to +</I>><i> apply), here are a few _important details_. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All teams discussion channels should be of public access (at least one +</I>><i> place to join and follow what happens). +</I> +Well, I would even mandate that all discussions should be public, unless +very specific case. + +For example, I guess the security team will not want to discuss +everything in public, cause there is some embargo issues and so on. That +would be a valid case ( even if this then appeal for the whole +discussion of full disclosure ). But as the secteam could also take care +of regular updates coordination, and since bugfixes are not secret, and +should not be, I do not think that everything concerning secteam should +be private. I also think that for example a security bug who is know and +public have no reason to be secret on our side. + +And I think being public is important to avoid the alienating feeling of +facing a cabal and being ignored. People do not feel welcomed when we +say to them "you are a outsider, so we won't talk to you". + + +><i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view): +</I>><i> * "Apprentices" (people being mentored into the team - someone +</I>><i> suggested "petit scarabée" as a label but...) +</I>><i> * and "Masters". +</I> +Well, as i said, I think master is not the ideal term. + +><i> Depending on Teams, there may be more than that (for instance, Web +</I>><i> team may have apprentice, master, webmaster or a more specific role - +</I>><i> vetoing what goes online for instance). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for +</I>><i> decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure. +</I> +In the case of packagers, we still need to discuss ACLs on packages. +Even at mandriva, who has the most open policy I have seen in term of +commit rights ( when compared to Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora and debian ), we +had ACLs on some packages ( kernel, glibc, etc ). + +So who decide the acl ? The board, the team, a technical comitee ? + +><i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure, +</I>><i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if +</I>><i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the +</I>><i> mentoring process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, to start the train, we've got to figure who will be first Masters +</I>><i> and Apprentices. We expect everyone to be square on this and would +</I>><i> like to start with the following rule, provided things go smoothly +</I>><i> after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are suggesting here for packagers only, that's a specific case. +</I>><i> Each team should come up with its own agreement. Packaging Team +</I>><i> Masters are those who are Cooker maintainers as of today. Others are +</I>><i> Apprentices. Packaging team should focus then on build-system setup +</I>><i> and mentoring process. Apprentices may become masters at any time, +</I>><i> it's up for each team to decide. +</I> +As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group "master" for +packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and users, +and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I +feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I think +we try to avoid that. + +More ever, some people think "I am not in the master group, this name +sound made for important people so I cannot do anything", and do not +feel empowered. + +And the equivalent group in Ubuntu is called MOTU, for Masters of the +universe. Which is either funny if you know the animated series, or a +little bit pompous otherwise. + +So as we do not want to appear to have copied on Ubuntu ( as this would +be quite the contrary regarding the packaging community ), I think the +name could be changed to a more factual and a less connoted name. + +OTOH, I agree with the concept, as it worked well ( from my point of +view ) in cooker, and is kinda used everywhere ( with various level of +bureaucracy ) in free software world, especially in distribution world. + + +But given the size of the packaging volunteers group compared to the +current group able to mentor ( ie current cooker packagers who +volunteered ), I expect the backlog of people who want to become +packager to be huge for a long time, which itself bring some interesting +issues. + +><i> Should there be any conflict or gray-zone, don't get upset, just tell +</I>><i> us and we will try to sort this out. In last resort, of course, the +</I>><i> founding board will decide if needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly. +</I> +Mailing lists for discussion, or mailing lists to contact ? + +Ie, do we expect discussion of the teams to take place here, or to use +it as a big alias ? + +If we expect discussion to happen, who will take care of subscription, +will this be "free for all" or not ? + +How do we take care of subgroups ( ie the master/apprentice case that +you proposed ), does it map to the ml subscription or not ? + +I would recommend a alias <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example-team at mageia.org</A> to be used, so we can +contact the team ( maybe also example-team-leaders@ ), and only for +this, and have mailling list based on task, or group of team ( ie, -dev +would go for packagers and developpers , etc ). Or even something else +than a ml for discussion, after all. + +And as a sysadmin of the project, I would also like to remind that I +will maybe propose to change ml naming ( because the mageia- prefix +should imho be removed ) and location ( ie, use ml.mageia.org domain, as +this would prevent clash in the future for various aliases ) and +software (ie something else than mailman, like sympa ) in a near future. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2224">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2224">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2224">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2224">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002225.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002225.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ff64fab50 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002225.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C265.4cab5c79%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002224.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002226.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C265.4cab5c79%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 19:12:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 18:55 +><i> +</I>><i> As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group "master" for +</I>><i> packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and +</I>><i> users, +</I>><i> and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I +</I>><i> feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I +</I>><i> think +</I>><i> we try to avoid that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> More ever, some people think "I am not in the master group, this name +</I>><i> sound made for important people so I cannot do anything", and do not +</I>><i> feel empowered. +</I> +I agree an the bad choice of the word master is probably what triggered my +earlier negative reply. + +Why not just use: +packager (for everyone who is experienced/trained) +mentor packager (for those mentoring apprentices) +apprentice packager (for those still being trained by the mentors) + +There is no need to give an experienced packager a pompous title. +In FOSS what counts is the work done, not the title. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2225">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2225">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2225">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2225">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002226.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002226.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..db208d8c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002226.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052042.17100.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002225.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002180.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052042.17100.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 20:42:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>"Romain d'Alverny" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-05 +><i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of +</I>><i> view): * "Apprentices" (people being mentored into the team - someone +</I>><i> suggested "petit scarabée" as a label but...) +</I>><i> * and "Masters". +</I>><i> The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for +</I>><i> decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure, +</I>><i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if +</I>><i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the +</I>><i> mentoring process. +</I> +In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn for +little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for the +newcommers. +As you describe it, there will be a political division in oldtimers with the +power to vote and newcommers without it as well. And this I can't support. +This sounds too much like a group of oldtimers hanging on to their power (even +if it is not, and I really do believe in you trying to be as democratic as +possible). + +Please don't initiate any kind of caste-system, to be as open as possible we +do need a hirarchie as flat as possible. + +Oliver +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2226">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2226">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2226">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2226">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002227.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002227.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b84dc81f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002227.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0TFL0WveP9gmY_in-WtpPStVYEZcnLE%3DzsqGR%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002223.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002196.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim0TFL0WveP9gmY_in-WtpPStVYEZcnLE%3DzsqGR%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 23:06:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 18:37, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> If that's how it is intended, then that's fine by me, my concern was +</I>><i> primarily that the structures described might hinder occasional +</I>><i> spontaneous additional volunteer work in other teams/tasks than the +</I>><i> one, that someone enrolled in, without having to first enroll in other +</I>><i> teams. +</I> +We don't want to hinder spontaneous contributions, but still, there is +a balance to find to control/guide what goes in and how. Hence some +structure to validate and committed mastering/mentoring roles in +teams. + +That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into account +feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But those who commit +to a given team work and processes get to organize and ponder all this +to fit in the whole project. + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2227">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2227">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2227">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2227">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002228.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002228.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af20da6fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/002228.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052211.07867.richard.j.walker%40ntlworld.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002191.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002194.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Richard</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052211.07867.richard.j.walker%40ntlworld.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 05 October 2010 03:36:42 Hoyt Duff wrote: +><i> As a US Enlgish speaker, I also wrote for the UK-based +</I>><i> Linux Format magazine. There are differences in US and UK English, but +</I>><i> none so severe that meaning is lost. Many idioms are shared or at +</I>><i> least understandable. +</I>With you so far +><i> +</I>><i> I appreciate the efforts of non-native English speakers to converse in +</I>><i> English, and even in those instances where they are speaking only a +</I>><i> bare approximation of English, I am still able to understand them. +</I>I will forego the temptation here to make a joke at your expense:-) +><i> +</I>><i> I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to +</I>><i> isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented +</I>><i> community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a +</I>><i> local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community +</I>><i> where the lingua-franca is English. +</I>I doubt if many non-native speakers of English (any variety) would be +sensitive to the nuances of meaning in "GB-only enclave". It could even be +that the phrase is completely neutral in US English. I hope so, because then +I can ignore the imagined barb. + +But I think it is worth pointing out that there is a world of difference +between "GB English" and "en_GB". One of them can, if required, carry +political overtones; the other cannot. That is the one I am intersted in. + +If the only consideration for the Mageia community is communication then I +will stand beside you and support everything you have said about the +usefulness of International English as a medium for sharing thoughts and +ideas about the distribution and its contents. But stop for a moment and +consider if this rationale can also be applied to the results of our +deliberations; the Mageia distribution and its applications. + +This is something much more personal as it affects our daily interaction with +our computers and programs. That is why we have en_US and en_GB, en_IE, en_AU +and all of the other variants. It is not just to accommodate date displays, +though that is important enough, nor just to handle measurement units. It +allows us to select the correct dictionaries to check spelling and provides a +framework in which to make our programs fit better with our cultuural +identities. + +So do I think it is wrong to have a place to hang out with "people like me"? +Of course not. Where else would I go to sound out opinion or exchange views +on such culturally important computer developments as cricket scorecard data +capture and display programs? + +Richard + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2228">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2228">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2228">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2228">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c58242d37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,297 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 5 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:38:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 50<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2180"> </A> +<I>Benoit Audouard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2221"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2222"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2226"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - 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need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2182"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2183"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2184"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2185"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2186"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2187"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2188"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2189"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - 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need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2198"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A><A NAME="2199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2201"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2203"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2204"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2200"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2205"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2206"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2208"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2209"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2210"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2211"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2212"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2213"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2214"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2215"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2216"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2217"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2218"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2219"> </A> +<I>DjeZAeL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2220"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2221"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2222"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2223"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2224"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2226"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2227"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - 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<b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 50<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2190"> </A> +<I>Richard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2191"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2194"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2195"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2198"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2203"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2204"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2205"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2206"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2208"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2209"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2210"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2211"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2217"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2228"> </A> +<I>Richard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2182"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2183"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2185"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2186"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2187"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2188"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2196"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2201"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A><A NAME="2199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2179"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2215"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2218"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2220"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2221"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2224"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2226"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2184"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2212"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2216"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2222"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2223"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2227"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2180"> </A> +<I>Benoit Audouard +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2193"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2200"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2213"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2214"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2219"> </A> +<I>DjeZAeL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2181"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2189"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2192"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2197"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:16 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..555a24fbd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101005/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,393 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 5 October 2010 Archive by thread</title> 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+</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726- --> +<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2218"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726-01286295023- --> +<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2220"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726-01286295023-01286295173- --> +<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2221"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286297739- --> +<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2224"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286297739-01286298748- --> +<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2225"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286304136- --> +<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2226"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286235370- --> +<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2180"> </A> +<I>Benoit Audouard +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286235370-01286262168- --> +<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2193"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286236406- --> +<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2181"> </A> +<I>André Machado +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286236406-01286242729- --> +<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2189"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--1 01286236406-01286246937- --> +<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2192"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286238584- --> +<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2182"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286238584-01286238967- --> +<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2183"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286239691- --> +<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2185"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286240544- --> +<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2186"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776- --> +<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2187"> </A> +<I>Olav Dahlum +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287- --> +<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2188"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444- --> +<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2190"> </A> +<I>Richard +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286246202- --> +<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2191"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286246202-01286313067- --> +<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2228"> </A> +<I>Richard +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286262187- --> +<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2194"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286238584-01286267893- --> +<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2195"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286238584-01286267893-01286283847- --> +<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2201"> </A> +<I>Christopher Swift +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286238584-01286267893-01286283847-01286285181- --> +<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2205"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286267893-01286283847-01286285181-01286287477- --> +<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2210"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286238584-01286267893-01286283847-01286285181-01286287477-01286288237- --> +<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2211"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286239157- --> +<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2184"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286239157-01286288657- --> +<LI><A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2212"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286239157-01286288657-01286291241- --> +<LI><A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2216"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286239157-01286288657-01286291241-01286295794- --> +<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2222"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286239157-01286288657-01286291241-01286295794-01286296651- --> +<LI><A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2223"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286239157-01286288657-01286291241-01286295794-01286296651-01286312783- --> +<LI><A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2227"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286269933- --> +<LI><A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2196"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286269933-01286278812- --> +<LI><A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2198"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286269933-01286278812-01286284539- --> +<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2203"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286269933-01286278812-01286284539-01286286465- --> +<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2209"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01286269933-01286278812-01286284539-01286286465-01286293049- --> +<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2217"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286269933-01286284021- --> +<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2202"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286269933-01286284021-01286284999- --> +<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2204"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286269933-01286284021-01286284999-01286285458- --> +<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2208"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286269933-01286284021-01286285263- --> +<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2206"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286276447- --> +<LI><A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2197"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286276447-01286285670- --> +<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2207"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286282257- --> +<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010 +</A><A NAME="2199"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--0 01286285004- --> +<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2200"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286285004-01286289665- --> +<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2213"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286285004-01286289665-01286289829- --> +<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2214"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286285004-01286289665-01286289829-01286293775- --> +<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2219"> </A> +<I>DjeZAeL +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:16 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> 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