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For +</I>>><i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who +</I>>><i> use Ubuntu. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of +</I>>><i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great +</I>>><i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The +</I>>><i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme +</I>>><i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even +</I>>><i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> * others? +</I>>><i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of +</I>>><i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for +</I>>><i> the name of the channel. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +</I>>>><i> their preferred channel. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>>>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>>>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>>>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>>>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>>>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>>>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>>>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>>>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>>><i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine +</I>>><i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you +</I>>><i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk +</I>>><i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the +</I>>><i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK +</I>>><i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>>>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>>>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>>><i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh +</I>>><i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to +</I>>><i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>>>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>>>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>>>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>>>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>>>><i> soon). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards +</I>>><i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels? +</I>>><i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would +</I>>><i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the +</I>>><i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel +</I>>><i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>>><i> Christopher Swift +</I>><i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United +</I>><i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can +</I>><i> verify this at +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cofion Gorau, +</I>><i> Christopher Swift +</I> +I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this +thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you +want community channels for your respective countries, use the country +codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language +codes. And excuses like "Fedora and Ubuntu have it" is not valid. It's +nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about +standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel +names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even +registered them. + +Olav Dahlum + +Sorry for the typo above, I meant "some", not "most". +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |