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+<PRE>Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:06 +0100, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Horrible, I was too much in a hurry when I wrote the part about
+</I>&gt;<i> being/not being available for a meeting, sorry :-[
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marja *is* available for a meeting saturday and sunday, except saturday
+</I>&gt;<i> between 10.00h UTC and 18.00h UTC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op 31-10-11 08:12, Marja van Waes schreef:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marja isn't available for a meeting saturday and sunday, except
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; saturday between 10.00h UTC and 18.00h UTC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you want to join the meeting: please add here what times you're
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op 28-10-11 18:31, Marja van Waes schreef:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; At this moment, we have four subjects to discuss:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1. Groups permission, add status ?
+</I>The subject &quot;add status&quot; was alredy discuss with the &quot;TRIAGED&quot; status so
+for me it's on the mageia-dev (a mail was send by stormi)
+
+I can not remember why I have add this &quot;Groups permission&quot; on the wiki.
+Seems it's better to give full power to all people, I don't see at the
+moment what we (triage guys) need more.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2. what to do for unconfirmed bug. (like bug 2081
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081</A>
+</I>Same topic that &quot;add status&quot;.
+If I'm not wrong, there is a status UNCONFIRMED but only accessible (for
+us) after that the bug was closed.
+I will ask dmorgan if he can allow the status transitions new &gt;
+unconfirmed.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 3. bug 1364 &lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364</A>&gt; Does it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; closing a bug as duplicate?
+</I>For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little
+script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 4. How do we improve the way we communicate with reporters and one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; another about how much is done (bug 3047
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047</A>&gt; comment 18)
+</I>I think it's better to say what we make, like &quot;bug assigned to
+maintainer&quot;, so same as 3.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; 5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to triage. No one replied
+</I>Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :)
+Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development
+channel)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; 6. In the Bug Squad page in our new wiki, I put: Team leaders: Shared
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; responsibility of the team members
+</I>Well if nodody want I can take this great role. (same as council) :D
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My ideas are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # 1 Postpone that subject again
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # 2 Let the developer of the package decide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # 3 It's good to explain why you think it is a duplicate so I think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 1364 should be closed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # 4 Make time to communicate. We have more time when we have more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; triagers: /Idea:/ Explain to all packagers that there are barely any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; triagers and ask them who is willing to become a member of the bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; squad _only for one or more of their own packages_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # 5 At this moment, with the work on the new wiki, I don't have time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; either :(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If no one else volunteers and if most of us agree, I'm willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; become team leader if Manuel is willing to become deputy team leader.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Yes, Samuel would be a better leader than me, as soon as he's got
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; enough time I'll gladly resign in favour of him :-) )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please share what you think about these - and maybe more - issues
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>
+
+--
+Manuel Hiebel
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+<PRE>Op 03-11-11 20:59, Manuel Hiebel schreef:
+
+
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:06 +0100, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marja *is* available for a meeting saturday and sunday, except saturday
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> between 10.00h UTC and 18.00h UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>We have six subjects to discuss:
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Groups permission, add status ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The subject &quot;add status&quot; was alredy discuss with the &quot;TRIAGED&quot; status so
+</I>&gt;<i> for me it's on the mageia-dev (a mail was send by stormi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can not remember why I have add this &quot;Groups permission&quot; on the wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems it's better to give full power to all people, I don't see at the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment what we (triage guys) need more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This is about having a group &quot;BugSquad members&quot; for bugzilla and giving full power to everyone in that group, isn't it?
+
+To be honest, I was very amazed I had the power to close someone else's bugs the minute I started, I don't think new members expect that.
+
+Maybe we could have a &quot;BugSquad novices&quot; group too, with less power.
+Oops, I'd be in that group, now ;)
+
+By the way: who keeps track of who has which permissions on Bugzilla, and of anything that should cause permissions for someone to be changed?
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. what to do for unconfirmed bug. (like bug 2081
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same topic that &quot;add status&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm not wrong, there is a status UNCONFIRMED but only accessible (for
+</I>&gt;<i> us) after that the bug was closed.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will ask dmorgan if he can allow the status transitions new&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> unconfirmed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ah, I misunderstood what you meant.
+
+Somewhere deep down in my memory I seem to recollect that we weren't going to use that status, but if that's right, Samuel will remember :)
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. bug 1364&lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364</A>&gt; Does it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> closing a bug as duplicate?
+</I>&gt;<i> For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little
+</I>&gt;<i> script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That makes three (so far) who don't see a problem, and zero who do :)
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. How do we improve the way we communicate with reporters and one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> another about how much is done (bug 3047
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047</A>&gt; comment 18)
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's better to say what we make, like &quot;bug assigned to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer&quot;, so same as 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, we should say or explain what we do :)
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to triage. No one replied
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development
+</I>&gt;<i> channel)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+When I asked that, I didn't know there are so few of us nor that our members are very busy with other things or are novices themselves.
+
+To be honest: had I known, I wouldn't have asked.
+
+
+I'll try to make a &quot;Bug Squad starter&quot; page on the new wiki, and merge what you did with what I did and hopefully add what others did, to learn to triage.
+
+* read bugs
+* read the triage guide over and over again
+* read the bug policy (I had to repeat that, too)
+* ask on irc (# mageia-bugsquad, #mageia or #mageia-dev channel)
+and don't get frightened if no one replies: in that case, everybody is too busy or away and someone will reply later
+* start trying code from the triage guide for yourself, to see what happens
+* learn how to use Sophie
+* look around in upstream Bugzilla's and forums
+* learn how to make even better use of Sophie
+
+There is a lot more documentation than I thought, though, some policies, packagers' pages and -not to forget- QA pages contain very useful information for us. They'll be easier to find in the new wiki :)
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6. In the Bug Squad page in our new wiki, I put: Team leaders: Shared
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> responsibility of the team members
+</I>&gt;<i> Well if nodody want I can take this great role. (same as council) :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I vote for you, you're a much better choice than me because you know a lot more and because you have better contacts.
+
+On IRC I understood you approve of my trying to get us to discuss things and have meetings.
+
+If that's correct and if you want me to keep doing that, I'd like to be deputy leader, so that no one will think: &quot;who does she think she is, trying to get us together for a meeting?&quot;
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ideas are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 1 Postpone that subject again
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 2 Let the developer of the package decide
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 3 It's good to explain why you think it is a duplicate so I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1364 should be closed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 4 Make time to communicate. We have more time when we have more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triagers: /Idea:/ Explain to all packagers that there are barely any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triagers and ask them who is willing to become a member of the bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> squad _only for one or more of their own packages_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 5 At this moment, with the work on the new wiki, I don't have time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> either :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If no one else volunteers and if most of us agree, I'm willing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> become team leader if Manuel is willing to become deputy team leader.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Yes, Samuel would be a better leader than me, as soon as he's got
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enough time I'll gladly resign in favour of him :-) )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please share what you think about these - and maybe more - issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 02:29:24PM +0100, Marja wrote in
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. bug 1364&lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364</A>&gt; Does it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> closing a bug as duplicate?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>That makes three (so far) who don't see a problem, and zero who do :)
+</I>
+Irritate is a big word. But yeah, can't we just change the default &quot;***
+This report has been marked a duplicate of # ***&quot; to something including
+the words &quot;Thank you for your report.&quot; ?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>to triage. No one replied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>channel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>When I asked that, I didn't know there are so few of us nor that our members are very busy with other things or are novices themselves.
+</I>
+The best way to get started is to get started. The guide provides (IMHO)
+enough useful guidelines to do so. In case of doubts or concerns, we have
+this list or IRC.
+
+Cheers,
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+Op 04-11-11 14:29, Marja van Waes schreef:
+&gt;<i> Op 03-11-11 20:59, Manuel Hiebel schreef:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 31 octobre 2011 &#224; 14:06 +0100, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marja *is* available for a meeting saturday and sunday, except saturday
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> between 10.00h UTC and 18.00h UTC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have six subjects to discuss:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Groups permission, add status ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The subject &quot;add status&quot; was alredy discuss with the &quot;TRIAGED&quot; status so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for me it's on the mageia-dev (a mail was send by stormi)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can not remember why I have add this &quot;Groups permission&quot; on the wiki.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Seems it's better to give full power to all people, I don't see at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moment what we (triage guys) need more.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is about having a group &quot;BugSquad members&quot; for bugzilla and
+</I>&gt;<i> giving full power to everyone in that group, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest, I was very amazed I had the power to close someone
+</I>&gt;<i> else's bugs the minute I started, I don't think new members expect that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we could have a &quot;BugSquad novices&quot; group too, with less power.
+</I>&gt;<i> Oops, I'd be in that group, now ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way: who keeps track of who has which permissions on Bugzilla,
+</I>&gt;<i> and of anything that should cause permissions for someone to be changed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. what to do for unconfirmed bug. (like bug 2081
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same topic that &quot;add status&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I'm not wrong, there is a status UNCONFIRMED but only accessible (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> us) after that the bug was closed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will ask dmorgan if he can allow the status transitions new&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unconfirmed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, I misunderstood what you meant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Somewhere deep down in my memory I seem to recollect that we weren't
+</I>&gt;<i> going to use that status, but if that's right, Samuel will remember :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. bug 1364&lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364</A>&gt; Does it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> closing a bug as duplicate?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That makes three (so far) who don't see a problem, and zero who do :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Op 05-11-11 11:30, Remco Rijnders schreef:
+
+Irritate is a big word. But yeah, can't we just change the default &quot;***
+This report has been marked a duplicate of # ***&quot; to something including
+the words &quot;Thank you for your report.&quot; ?
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4. How do we improve the way we communicate with reporters and one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> another about how much is done (bug 3047
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047</A>&gt; comment 18)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it's better to say what we make, like &quot;bug assigned to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer&quot;, so same as 3.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, we should say or explain what we do :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to triage. No one replied
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I asked that, I didn't know there are so few of us nor that our
+</I>&gt;<i> members are very busy with other things or are novices themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be honest: had I known, I wouldn't have asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The best way to get started is to get started. The guide provides (IMHO)
+enough useful guidelines to do so. In case of doubts or concerns, we
+have this list or IRC.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Remmy
+
+&gt;<i> I'll try to make a &quot;Bug Squad starter&quot; page on the new wiki, and merge
+</I>&gt;<i> what you did with what I did and hopefully add what others did, to
+</I>&gt;<i> learn to triage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * read bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> * read the triage guide over and over again
+</I>&gt;<i> * read the bug policy (I had to repeat that, too)
+</I>&gt;<i> * ask on irc (# mageia-bugsquad, #mageia or #mageia-dev channel)
+</I>&gt;<i> and don't get frightened if no one replies: in that case, everybody is
+</I>&gt;<i> too busy or away and someone will reply later
+</I>&gt;<i> * start trying code from the triage guide for yourself, to see what
+</I>&gt;<i> happens
+</I>&gt;<i> * learn how to use Sophie
+</I>&gt;<i> * look around in upstream Bugzilla's and forums
+</I>&gt;<i> * learn how to make even better use of Sophie
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a lot more documentation than I thought, though, some
+</I>&gt;<i> policies, packagers' pages and -not to forget- QA pages contain very
+</I>&gt;<i> useful information for us. They'll be easier to find in the new wiki :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6. In the Bug Squad page in our new wiki, I put: Team leaders: Shared
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> responsibility of the team members
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well if nodody want I can take this great role. (same as council) :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote for you, you're a much better choice than me because you know a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot more and because you have better contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On IRC I understood you approve of my trying to get us to discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> things and have meetings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's correct and if you want me to keep doing that, I'd like to
+</I>&gt;<i> be deputy leader, so that no one will think: &quot;who does she think she
+</I>&gt;<i> is, trying to get us together for a meeting?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My ideas are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 1 Postpone that subject again
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 2 Let the developer of the package decide
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 3 It's good to explain why you think it is a duplicate so I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1364 should be closed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 4 Make time to communicate. We have more time when we have more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triagers: /Idea:/ Explain to all packagers that there are barely any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> triagers and ask them who is willing to become a member of the bug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> squad _only for one or more of their own packages_
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # 5 At this moment, with the work on the new wiki, I don't have time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> either :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If no one else volunteers and if most of us agree, I'm willing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> become team leader if Manuel is willing to become deputy team leader.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Yes, Samuel would be a better leader than me, as soon as he's got
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> enough time I'll gladly resign in favour of him :-) )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please share what you think about these - and maybe more - issues
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">Mageia-bugsquad at mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>*If you received a mail about signing up for the Bug Squad mailing list
+this morning, I bcc you now.*
+
+
+Hi everyone,
+
+Some time ago on this ml, I tried to find someone who was willing to
+look at bugs together with an inexperienced Bug Squad member.
+
+If, at that time, I would have known that the few members we have, are
+extremely busy (e.g. in other teams) or inexperienced themselves, I
+would never have asked this.
+
+In the meeting yesterday, it was acknowledged that we can't teach new
+Bug Squad members, all we can do is encourage them to do what we did
+ourselves and what helped us to start triaging, like the things on the
+list below. This list will go into a &quot;How to start triaging&quot; in our new
+wiki, anyone who wants to improve it is welcome to do so:
+
+* read bug reports, see how they were handled
+* study the triage guide <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=triage_guide">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=triage_guide</A>
+* study the bug policy <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bug_policy">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bug_policy</A>
+* ask on irc (# mageia-bugsquad, #mageia or #mageia-dev channel) if you
+need to know something and don't get frightened if no one replies: in
+that case, everybody is too busy or away and someone will reply later
+(for you to see the reply, it helps when you stay logged in ;) )
+* start trying code etc. from the triage guide for yourself (when and
+where appropriate), to see what happens
+* learn how to use Sophie <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc#sophie">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc#sophie</A>
+* look around in upstream Bugzilla's and forums
+* feel free to ask questions in this (the mageia-bugsquad) mailing list
+* just start triaging and learn from your mistakes
+
+So: inexperienced Bug Squad members: please give it a go
+And: experienced Bug Squad members: please continue to give a little
+guidance (like giving feedback when a mistake was made) in the moments
+you find time to do so
+
+Regards,
+Marja
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+Since yesterday's meeting, Manuel is not only our Team council
+representative (that suggested his leadership), but formally our leader
+as well :-D
+
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+Marja
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+<PRE>2011/11/6 Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since yesterday's meeting, Manuel is not only our Team council
+</I>&gt;<i> representative (that suggested his leadership), but formally our leader as
+</I>&gt;<i> well :-D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/**mageia-bugsquad/2011/mageia-**">http://meetbot.mageia.org/**mageia-bugsquad/2011/mageia-**</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> bugsquad.2011-11-05-19.08.html&lt;<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-bugsquad/2011/mageia-bugsquad.2011-11-05-19.08.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-bugsquad/2011/mageia-bugsquad.2011-11-05-19.08.html</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marja
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Congratulations :D
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+<PRE>Hello, I forward you the mail of Olivier.
+
+Feedback, improvement of the bugsquad page, are welcome. Thanks to Marja
+for the big work!
+You can also add you preferred meeting time, so maybe we can be more
+than 4 in the same time.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time</A>
+
+Thanks,
+
+(You can also have a look to my quick greasemonkey script
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3270#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3270#c6</A> )
+
+-------- Message transf&#233;r&#233; --------
+&gt;<i> De: Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@
+</I>&gt;<i> Sujet: [Mageia-dev] New wiki finally online
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:34:43 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Check it out at <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org">https://wiki.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and tried to
+</I>&gt;<i> bring some structure into it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see, there is almost no documentation for the end user till now but
+</I>&gt;<i> the documentation team will start changing that.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you would like to help us on that, just join the doc team in its meeting
+</I>&gt;<i> tommorow at 19.00 UTC in #mageia-doc on the Freenode irc netwoork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And please have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> before starting to create pages on the new wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i> We do want to keep some kind of order in it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ee also the blog post about it on <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+--
+Manuel Hiebel
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+<PRE>Op 15-11-11 00:28, Manuel Hiebel schreef:
+&gt;<i> Hello, I forward you the mail of Olivier.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feedback, improvement of the bugsquad page, are welcome. Thanks to Marja
+</I>&gt;<i> for the big work!
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also add you preferred meeting time, so maybe we can be more
+</I>&gt;<i> than 4 in the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (You can also have a look to my quick greasemonkey script
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3270#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3270#c6</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thx, Manuel :-)
+
+I started adding a line to the meeting time table, but I stopped because
+the table doesn't say those times are UTC, are they?
+
+And thanks for sharing the script with everyone on the Squad, now, I'll
+look at the new version later today.
+
+Reagards,
+Marja
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+<PRE>Op 15-11-11 07:03, Marja van Waes schreef:
+&gt;<i> Op 15-11-11 00:28, Manuel Hiebel schreef:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello, I forward you the mail of Olivier.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feedback, improvement of the bugsquad page, are welcome. Thanks to Marja
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the big work!
+</I>
+And thanks to you for the tools you added :-)
+&gt;&gt;<i> You can also add you preferred meeting time, so maybe we can be more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than 4 in the same time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bug_Squad#Preferred_meeting_time</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx, Manuel :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It is hard, to fill out the times I can, because that depends on which
+day of the week or weekend it is, too. And even then things change:
+
+Until this week I had to be in office (for work that can't be done at
+home) some hours on monday morning and some hours on tuesday afternoon.
+Tuesday afternoon might or might not be moved to wednesday morning, or
+to every other wednesday morning and every other someother morning. On
+saturday my rowing times are changing.
+
+I used &quot;H&quot; for 50% or more chance that I'll be able to join a meeting at
+a given time. I'll change that into &quot;5&quot; for &#177; 50%, 9 for &#177; 90% chance,
+&quot;1&quot; for &#177;10 % chance etc.
+
+
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+As announced on the doc discuss ml this morning, there is now a wiki
+page that gives an overview of the bugs that have something to do with
+documentation.
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_bugs">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_bugs</A>
+
+There are two tables, now:
+1 one for bugs that can only be solved by making documentation or
+improving it
+2 one for bugs that need to be documented when they don't get fixed
+
+
+* The most urgent of these bugs, is the one about missing help in
+installer <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016</A>
+
+** Other issues that could use a good help in installer have been added,
+
+* Installer issues that, when they are _not_ solved, should be mentioned
+in the help or in release notes or errata, were added too, they are in
+the second table. Of course first of all we need to find out whether or
+not these bugs will be fixed, first.
+
+* Least important, for now, are bugs that have nothing to do with using
+live cd's or installing Mageia.
+
+It is very well possible that some bugs were forgotton, feel free to add
+the ones you know about.
+
+Also, the page isn't &quot;good&quot; yet, it should maybe contain the summary's
+of the mentioned bugs and where the new documentation about a certain
+issue should go (e.g. in the installer help, in a How_to_install_mageia
+for endusers in our wiki, in both?, etc.)
+
+Feel free to improve.
+
+
+Regards,
+Marja
+
+
+
+
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+
+-------- Originele bericht --------
+Onderwerp: Re: [doc-discuss] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
+Datum: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:42:22 +0100
+Van: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+Antwoord-naar: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">doc-discuss at ml.mageia.org</A>
+Aan: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">doc-discuss at ml.mageia.org</A>
+
+
+
+2011/11/16 Marja van Waes&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As announced on the doc discuss ml this morning, there is now a wiki page
+</I>&gt;<i> that gives an overview of the bugs that have something to do with
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_bugs">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Documentation_bugs</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are two tables, now:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 one for bugs that can only be solved by making documentation or improving
+</I>&gt;<i> it
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 one for bugs that need to be documented when they don't get fixed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * The most urgent of these bugs, is the one about missing help in installer
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016</A>
+</I>
+As Anne wrote in the bug report:
+&quot;No it's just not possible. Help is provided by documentation. We cannot reuse
+Mandriva documentation because of license. It will ask weeks of work to get
+proper one, which should happen for Mageia2.&quot;
+
+Meaning:
+ - either help texts for each screen must be compiled new, translated
+and integrated
+ - or an older version of the official Mandriva documentation could be
+&quot;canibalized&quot; for these texts.
+(to the best of my knowledge older versions are free, and most of the
+installer documentation can be used because the installer did not
+change much in the last 2 years)
+
+--
+wobo
+
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+&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 13.70-1.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 171045
+</I>&gt;<i> - drakbug:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o report the gtk+ theme in use (#3127) which explain some crashes (eg: #2679)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o include better C traces in reports
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o remove top of traces that is inside bug handler from report
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;o no more run GDB (too late &amp; faster)
+</I>
+While auto reporting crashes was good for pure crashes, we
+never were able to get useful traces for segfaults
+
+So please test
+
+I'm considering backporting this into mga1 in order to
+get better bug reports when something crashes.
+This should really help the triage team
+(as well as developers who will get better bug reports)
+
+See bug #2679 for example:&#160;the usual useless stack which
+(due to the reporter reproducing it from within GDB) turned
+out to be a theme bug.
+
+So please do test
+BTW 13.70.1 provides minor enhancements on top of that
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+&gt;&gt;<i> FOSDEM is calling! (4-5 February, in Brussels, Belgium)
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a call for any and all Mageia people - ideally it would be great
+</I>&gt;<i> to have people from the whole community, whether you're in a team or
+</I>&gt;<i> not. One of the main reasons to have a stand is to promote Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> as well as to encourage people to join *all* our teams - devs, artwork,
+</I>&gt;<i> bugsquad, QA, marcom - you name it. The more the merrier!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope to see you there!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2012">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2012</A>
+
+Sending this message to the mageia-bugsquad ml now. Shouldn't it be sent
+to more ml's ?
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+<PRE>Hello, today was released the alpha 1 of Mageia 2 ###(planned for May),
+so I guess we will have a lots of new bugs.
+
+You don't have time to read bugs@ ? don't go away you can help !
+You can use rss, saved-search, your own ml:
+
+1. Use the saved search (and rss)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches</A>
+
+Most useful of them (for me) is for the bugs of the day:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=new%20bugs%20of%20the%20day&amp;sharer_id=22">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=new%20bugs%20of%20the%20day&amp;sharer_id=22</A>
+
+and the feed:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=%5BBug%20creation%">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?chfield=%5BBug%20creation%</A>
+5D&amp;chfieldfrom=0d&amp;chfieldto=Now&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;title=Bug%20List:%
+20new%20bugs%20of%20the%20day&amp;ctype=atom
+
+Or for rpms (here the installer):
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=installer&amp;sharer_id=81">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&amp;remaction=run&amp;namedcmd=installer&amp;sharer_id=81</A>
+
+feel free to use your own make saved-search
+
+2. Make your own ml
+Go on <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#new_watched_by_you">https://bugs.mageia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#new_watched_by_you</A>
+add bugsquad_at_mageia_dot_org
+add then choice what you want receive.
+
+You can also add filters on your mail client with the header of the
+bugzilla. (like X-Bugzilla-Component: RPM Packages, and a lot of other)
+
+Feel free to ask if something is not clear, and share if you have other
+ideas.
+
+Thanks to all !
+--
+Manuel Hiebel
+<A HREF="http://netiquette.fr/">http://netiquette.fr/</A>
+
+
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 25 novembre 2011 &#224; 20:31 +0100, Manuel Hiebel a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello, today was released the alpha 1 of Mageia 2 ###(planned for May),
+</I>&gt;<i> so I guess we will have a lots of new bugs.
+</I>
+Sorry I was too fast, the mail should have gone to the folder of draft
+instead of the shipments
+
+&gt;<i> Thanks to all !
+</I>--
+Manuel Hiebel
+<A HREF="http://netiquette.fr/">http://netiquette.fr/</A>
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-bugsquad%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-bugsquad%5D%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Fwd%3A%20%5BFOSDEM%5D%20Call%20for%0A%20stands%2C%20devroom%20talks%20and%20lightning%20talks&In-Reply-To=%3CCANa9xwuro%3Drj6AMywyeK_6kKFAE%2B2BwN9N%2Bq2f_y%2B0%3DOsDdZ6A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:14, Marja van Waes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">marja11 at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2012">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2012</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending this message to the mageia-bugsquad ml now. Shouldn't it be sent to
+</I>&gt;<i> more ml's ?
+</I>
+I'd expect most people to be subscribed at least to -discuss, or
+others to spread the info, so please do. I'll prepare a blog post as
+well.
+
+Romain
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+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
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+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
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+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Teaching inexperienced Bug Squad members
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+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
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+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
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+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
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+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
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+<I>Romain d'Alverny
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+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Fwd: Re: [doc-discuss] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Teaching inexperienced Bug Squad members
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+<I>Marja van Waes
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+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
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+ <h1>November 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Nov 3 20:59:26 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Nov 25 20:50:16 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 17<p>
+ <ul>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320350366-01320413364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01320350366-01320413364-01320489009- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01320350366-01320413364-01320516551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting)
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01320568118- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Teaching inexperienced Bug Squad members
+</A><A NAME="84">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01320568975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01320568975-01320572426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Finally an official Bug Squad leader: Manuel
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro CAZZANIGA
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321313286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01321313286-01321336995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01321313286-01321336995-01321340497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Wiki, and meeting time
+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01321457588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321463225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Fwd: Re: [doc-discuss] Bugs related to (missing) documentation
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01321999468- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakxtools-13.70-1.mga2
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01322122481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322122481-01322138821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] [Mageia-discuss] Fwd: [FOSDEM] Call for stands, devroom talks and lightning talks
+</A><A NAME="136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01322249481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01322249481-01322250616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] New development cycle, you can help.
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Nov 25 20:50:16 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Jun 11 17:23:47 CEST 2012</i>
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