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Groups permission, add status ? +</I>>><i> The subject "add status" was alredy discuss with the "TRIAGED" status so +</I>>><i> for me it's on the mageia-dev (a mail was send by stormi) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I can not remember why I have add this "Groups permission" on the wiki. +</I>>><i> Seems it's better to give full power to all people, I don't see at the +</I>>><i> moment what we (triage guys) need more. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> This is about having a group "BugSquad members" for bugzilla and +</I>><i> giving full power to everyone in that group, isn't it? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To be honest, I was very amazed I had the power to close someone +</I>><i> else's bugs the minute I started, I don't think new members expect that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe we could have a "BugSquad novices" group too, with less power. +</I>><i> Oops, I'd be in that group, now ;) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By the way: who keeps track of who has which permissions on Bugzilla, +</I>><i> and of anything that should cause permissions for someone to be changed? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 2. what to do for unconfirmed bug. (like bug 2081 +</I>>>>>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2081</A> +</I>>><i> Same topic that "add status". +</I>>><i> If I'm not wrong, there is a status UNCONFIRMED but only accessible (for +</I>>><i> us) after that the bug was closed. +</I>>><i> I will ask dmorgan if he can allow the status transitions new> +</I>>><i> unconfirmed. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Somewhere deep down in my memory I seem to recollect that we weren't +</I>><i> going to use that status, but if that's right, Samuel will remember :) +</I>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 3. bug 1364<<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1364</A>> Does it +</I>>>>>><i> irritate most of us, to have to fill out a comment field when +</I>>>>>><i> closing a bug as duplicate? +</I>>><i> For me there is no problem to add a comment (since I have make a little +</I>>><i> script, but I can't redistribute it for now, too dirty) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That makes three (so far) who don't see a problem, and zero who do :) +</I>><i> +</I>Op 05-11-11 11:30, Remco Rijnders schreef: + +Irritate is a big word. But yeah, can't we just change the default "*** +This report has been marked a duplicate of # ***" to something including +the words "Thank you for your report." ? + + + +>>>>><i> 4. How do we improve the way we communicate with reporters and one +</I>>>>>><i> another about how much is done (bug 3047 +</I>>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3047</A>> comment 18) +</I>>><i> I think it's better to say what we make, like "bug assigned to +</I>>><i> maintainer", so same as 3. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, we should say or explain what we do :) +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 5.I'd like to add a fifth subject: on the tenth of october, I sent a +</I>>>>>><i> mail to our ml asking who would be willing to help DJ Marian to learn +</I>>>>>><i> to triage. No one replied +</I>>><i> Maybe I can try but I don't know what to said. :) +</I>>><i> Personally I have read bugs@ and ask on irc (French or development +</I>>><i> channel) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I asked that, I didn't know there are so few of us nor that our +</I>><i> members are very busy with other things or are novices themselves. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To be honest: had I known, I wouldn't have asked. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>The best way to get started is to get started. The guide provides (IMHO) +enough useful guidelines to do so. In case of doubts or concerns, we +have this list or IRC. + +Cheers, + +Remmy + +><i> I'll try to make a "Bug Squad starter" page on the new wiki, and merge +</I>><i> what you did with what I did and hopefully add what others did, to +</I>><i> learn to triage. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * read bugs +</I>><i> * read the triage guide over and over again +</I>><i> * read the bug policy (I had to repeat that, too) +</I>><i> * ask on irc (# mageia-bugsquad, #mageia or #mageia-dev channel) +</I>><i> and don't get frightened if no one replies: in that case, everybody is +</I>><i> too busy or away and someone will reply later +</I>><i> * start trying code from the triage guide for yourself, to see what +</I>><i> happens +</I>><i> * learn how to use Sophie +</I>><i> * look around in upstream Bugzilla's and forums +</I>><i> * learn how to make even better use of Sophie +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is a lot more documentation than I thought, though, some +</I>><i> policies, packagers' pages and -not to forget- QA pages contain very +</I>><i> useful information for us. They'll be easier to find in the new wiki :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> 6. In the Bug Squad page in our new wiki, I put: Team leaders: Shared +</I>>>>><i> responsibility of the team members +</I>>><i> Well if nodody want I can take this great role. (same as council) :D +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I vote for you, you're a much better choice than me because you know a +</I>><i> lot more and because you have better contacts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On IRC I understood you approve of my trying to get us to discuss +</I>><i> things and have meetings. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If that's correct and if you want me to keep doing that, I'd like to +</I>><i> be deputy leader, so that no one will think: "who does she think she +</I>><i> is, trying to get us together for a meeting?" +</I>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> My ideas are: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> # 1 Postpone that subject again +</I>>>>>><i> # 2 Let the developer of the package decide +</I>>>>>><i> # 3 It's good to explain why you think it is a duplicate so I think +</I>>>>>><i> 1364 should be closed +</I>>>>>><i> # 4 Make time to communicate. We have more time when we have more +</I>>>>>><i> triagers: /Idea:/ Explain to all packagers that there are barely any +</I>>>>>><i> triagers and ask them who is willing to become a member of the bug +</I>>>>>><i> squad _only for one or more of their own packages_ +</I>>>>>><i> # 5 At this moment, with the work on the new wiki, I don't have time +</I>>>>>><i> either :( +</I>>>>><i> If no one else volunteers and if most of us agree, I'm willing to +</I>>>>><i> become team leader if Manuel is willing to become deputy team leader. +</I>>>>><i> (Yes, Samuel would be a better leader than me, as soon as he's got +</I>>>>><i> enough time I'll gladly resign in favour of him :-) ) +</I>>>>>><i> Please share what you think about these - and maybe more - issues +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Regards, +</I>>>>>><i> Marja +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-bugsquad mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">Mageia-bugsquad at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Discuss until friday 24.00 h UTC (before next meeting) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] Teaching inexperienced Bug Squad members +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#83">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#83">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#83">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#83">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">More information about the Mageia-bugsquad +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |