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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003266.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003266.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1e6b86fb5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003266.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D1qf-rdO%2B1ZRG9%3DFf_tBVE3cTowxpY_67R5uKp%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003267.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D1qf-rdO%2B1ZRG9%3DFf_tBVE3cTowxpY_67R5uKp%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 00:45:06 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 December 2010 23:04, Juergen Harms <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>> wrote: +><i> I perfectly agree with what you say, and I agree that this list is suffering +</I>><i> from an excessive amount of messages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Formally: I forwarded an urgent warning of common interest to colleagues and +</I>><i> used the only channel available - no "discussion" about Mandriva at all. +</I>><i> What - quote - "Mandriva mailing list" do you refer to? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You did not get the point: +</I>><i> 1. Installing the latest updates from Mandriva threatens to make people lose +</I>><i> substantial time +</I>><i> 2. The Mandriva forum - the proper place to broadcast such a warning - is +</I>><i> down +</I> +No it's not, and there're already several threads about this issue there. :) + +><i> 3. The large majority of people on this Mageia list use Mandriva and are +</I>><i> concerned by this issue. +</I>><i> +</I> +Again, if you use mailing lists, then there's a good chance you're +already subscribed to the cooker ML. + +><i> So ??? Do you really expect that I just watch smilingly how people whom I +</I>><i> estimate and who devote a tremendous amount of time to build Mageia risk to +</I>><i> waste their time? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I understand that doing things in an organised way is essential, but +</I>><i> following principles blindly is just as bad has not considering principles +</I>><i> at all! +</I> +Read above, the news about this issue is all over the forum. + +><i> +</I>><i> Grrrr!!! Let us stop that discussion on this list - I hope that some time we +</I>><i> will have the occasion have a glass of something good together to talk this +</I>><i> out between us. +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003267.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003267.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c8bc5b401 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003267.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Habemus%20logo&In-Reply-To=%3C201012190159.53925.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003266.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003269.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Habemus%20logo&In-Reply-To=%3C201012190159.53925.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 01:59:53 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3267">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3267">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3267">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3267">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hoyt Duff <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-12-18 +><i> And stating that "All the people, I've been in contact with ... +</I>><i> were quite happy with it." is just as meaningless. +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> I've noticed that many of the non-native English speakers have a +</I>><i> tendency to express their opinions in broad, absolute terms. +</I>Oh yes, I have used broad, absolute terms, at least the way you quoted +me... + +Because I did relativate my statement, where you quoted just dots. And +telling non-native speakers: "your mastership of English is not good +enough to write texts differentiated enough to get a point across" is +just a bit, let's say snobbish, don't you think? + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3267">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3267">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3267">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3267">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003268.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003268.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..87d46c020 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003268.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C20101219012949.GF18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003269.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003270.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C20101219012949.GF18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 02:29:49 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:04:06PM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote: +><i> I perfectly agree with what you say, and I agree that this list is +</I>><i> suffering from an excessive amount of messages. +</I> +Well, you agree, yet you seems to disagree with my reasoning :/ + +I do not say there is too much messages in general. I say that we must +not be seen as "ex mandriva" for a question of reputation that we do not +want to carry. + +><i> Formally: I forwarded an urgent warning of common interest to +</I>><i> colleagues and used the only channel available - no "discussion" +</I>><i> about Mandriva at all. What - quote - "Mandriva mailing list" do you +</I>><i> refer to? +</I> +<A HREF="https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/newbie">https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/newbie</A> +<A HREF="https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/expert">https://ml.mandriva.net/wws/info/expert</A> + +You can get archives of the list here : +<A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/">http://lists.mandriva.com/</A> + +><i> You did not get the point: +</I>><i> 1. Installing the latest updates from Mandriva threatens to make +</I>><i> people lose substantial time +</I> +The update have been removed, and symlink have been added +according to the bug report : +<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61941">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61941</A> + +><i> 2. The Mandriva forum - the proper place to broadcast such a warning +</I>><i> - is down +</I> +No. at least not at this moment and from here. It was even upgraded. + +And even if it was down, I do not think this list is here to palliate +Mandriva lack of infrastructure. + +><i> 3. The large majority of people on this Mageia list use Mandriva and +</I>><i> are concerned by this issue. +</I> +Well, +1) not everybody use Mandriva +2) not everybody use Mandriva 2010.1 +3) not everybody use Mandriva 2010.1 with the default set of mirror +4) not everybody use Mandriva 2010.1 with the default set of mirror without +reading forums, cooker ml or without knowing what is going. + +And the fact is that you are expressing exactly the sterotype that I think we should +avoid because it would hurt our reputation, ie seeing us mainly as "Mandriva users" +despites having no data, that's just a supposition ( likely true, but yet +unproven ). + +If we start to act this way and see ourselves as Mandriva users, then others people +outside of the community will see us like this too. And when we will start to speak +of Mageia, they will only remember "oh, but they are mandriva users". +Because the image you have of your community is the one you send to others. + +So if we want to be seen as something else than Mandriva users, if we really want +our independance, we need to act accordingly. And the sooner we start, the sooner +it will have a impact, and so the better it is. + +You know, changes mind take time. +People still talk to me of mandrake, 5 years after the distribution changed + name. So if we want to be seen as different, I see no reason to not start now. + +And we need to be seen as different, because we need to overcome Mandriva bad +reputation ( like this update, for example, or the general bad mood due +to various budget cut etc ). The question is not if the reputation is deserved +or not ( because I think it is not, at least not for everything ). But the +fact is it exist, and that I think we want to avoid it. + +><i> So ??? Do you really expect that I just watch smilingly how people +</I>><i> whom I estimate and who devote a tremendous amount of time to build +</I>><i> Mageia risk to waste their time? +</I> +Well, so far, the people who devote a tremendous amount of time are either +perfectly able to manage the problem, or do not use Mandriva 2010.1 with the +default set of mirrors without knowing what happens. + +At least, I am, and I think every possible people who devote a lot of time +at this moment I can think of to fall in one of this 2 category. + +So have no fear, we can manage. You cannot decide to fork a distribution without +at least some basic survival skills on Linux based system. + +><i> I understand that doing things in an organised way is essential, but +</I>><i> following principles blindly is just as bad has not considering +</I>><i> principles at all! +</I> +That's not a question of organisation or principle. I have +given what I think to be a constructed reasoning, but maybe there is lots +of things that I think obvious that are not for you, sorry about that. + +Yes, and I know you wanted to help. That's even one of the first thing I said. + +But I think it would help more to really see us as separate from Mandriva. +I cannot force people, but I think I can at least try to convince. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003269.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003269.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ff9bc197f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003269.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Habemus%20logo&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2HRrTuULOgSYmUQehCi1DR-eUV_Epz9mf6LPV%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003267.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003268.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Habemus%20logo&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2HRrTuULOgSYmUQehCi1DR-eUV_Epz9mf6LPV%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 03:02:22 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 12/18/10, Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> And +</I>><i> telling non-native speakers: "your mastership of English is not good +</I>><i> enough to write texts differentiated enough to get a point across" is +</I>><i> just a bit, let's say snobbish, don't you think? +</I>><i> +</I> +That's not what I said, but your misinterpretation is an excellent +example of what I meant. + +If I take the lazy, arrogant approach and apply only my perspective to +understanding a message written by a non-native English speaker, +there is a high probability that I will misunderstand the authentic +message. Often, while the words may be English, the speakers' native +grammar and syntax are intact and can impart meaning opposite of what +was intended. If I'm doing my part, I take that into account. + +So what you said is not what I'm telling non-native English speakers. +I'm pointing out the pitfalls awaiting native English speakers trying +to have a meaningful conversation. It just takes a conscientious +effort on both parts to better understand. I appreciate those efforts +to speak English; I barely speak German and Spanish, much less every +other language, and certainly not enough to be conversant on a +technical level. + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003270.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003270.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a15528b0a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003270.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0DD32E.5010307%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003268.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003271.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>lebarhon</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0DD32E.5010307%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">lebarhon at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 10:41:02 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3270">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3270">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3270">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3270">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 19/12/2010 02:29, Michael scherer a écrit : +><i> And the fact is that you are expressing exactly the sterotype that I +</I>><i> think we should +</I>><i> avoid because it would hurt our reputation, ie seeing us mainly as "Mandriva users" +</I>><i> despites having no data, that's just a supposition ( likely true, but yet +</I>><i> unproven ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we start to act this way and see ourselves as Mandriva users, then others people +</I>><i> outside of the community will see us like this too. And when we will start to speak +</I>><i> of Mageia, they will only remember "oh, but they are mandriva users". +</I>><i> Because the image you have of your community is the one you send to others. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if we want to be seen as something else than Mandriva users, if we really want +</I>><i> our independance, we need to act accordingly. And the sooner we start, the sooner +</I>><i> it will have a impact, and so the better it is. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You know, changes mind take time. +</I>><i> People still talk to me of mandrake, 5 years after the distribution changed +</I>><i> name. So if we want to be seen as different, I see no reason to not start now. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And we need to be seen as different, because we need to overcome Mandriva bad +</I>><i> reputation ( like this update, for example, or the general bad mood due +</I>><i> to various budget cut etc ). The question is not if the reputation is deserved +</I>><i> or not ( because I think it is not, at least not for everything ). But the +</I>><i> fact is it exist, and that I think we want to avoid it. +</I>><i> +</I>Unfortunately, everyone can still see the same names/nicknames on +Mandriva ML and Mageia ML, and everywhere, long after Mageia birth . So +it seems that your wishes don't fit with reality. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003268.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3270">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3270">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3270">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3270">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003271.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003271.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..99d98afa2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003271.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D%3DyzsfNMShO66p5yE5VSmsGPxk39qnxdvRxVqx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003270.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003272.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D%3DyzsfNMShO66p5yE5VSmsGPxk39qnxdvRxVqx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 11:21:17 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3271">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3271">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3271">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3271">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/12/19 lebarhon <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lebarhon at free.fr</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately, everyone can still see the same names/nicknames on Mandriva +</I>><i> ML and Mageia ML, and everywhere, long after Mageia birth . +</I> +This is true, due to the fact that single people but also whole +communities have been Mandriva users, packagers, developpers, +community organisations and to a certain extent still are. In my +personal case I am the founder and head of a Mandriva user community +organisation and will continue as that. At the same time I am member +of Mageia's founders and actively involved in the setup of the Mageia +organisation. +Especially in the sections where user support and user organisations +are involved you can not make people choose between both, they can +very well dance on both weddings at the same time. + +OTOH I perfectly understand Michael's point. How many reports and +articles have you seen about Mageia where the author titles "Mageia, +the future of Mandriva" or (as seen today) "Mandriva, the Linux +distribution, has become Mageia" which is absolutely nonsense. +Participating in many Linux events I still hear people talking like, +"I remember some Mandrake Linux, is Mandriva a clone of Mandrake?". + +So, to the "outer world" we should be very clear about what Mageia is +and what it is not. But at the time of writing of the initial mail of +this thread the Mandriva forum page was closed for maintenance for 2 +days and nobody could tell when it was about to open again. So, while +I understand and agree to Michael's reasoning, in this special case I +think Jürgen did the right thing. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3271">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3271">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3271">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3271">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003272.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003272.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e93fbfaa0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003272.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C20101219115257.GG18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003271.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003276.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Michael scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C20101219115257.GG18333%40sisay.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 12:52:57 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003276.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3272">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3272">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3272">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3272">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:41:02AM +0100, lebarhon wrote: +><i> Le 19/12/2010 02:29, Michael scherer a écrit : +</I> +><i> >And we need to be seen as different, because we need to overcome Mandriva bad +</I>><i> >reputation ( like this update, for example, or the general bad mood due +</I>><i> >to various budget cut etc ). The question is not if the reputation is deserved +</I>><i> >or not ( because I think it is not, at least not for everything ). But the +</I>><i> >fact is it exist, and that I think we want to avoid it. +</I>><i> Unfortunately, everyone can still see the same names/nicknames on +</I>><i> Mandriva ML and Mageia ML, and everywhere, long after Mageia birth . +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it seems that your wishes don't fit with reality. +</I> +Well, you see the same nickname on plf and mandriva list, yet most people see that +they are 2 different group, and act accordingly. So it can be done, and the first +step is to be aware of the problem, and to understand it. Maybe +this requires to have a strong different brand, maybe others ideas an be used for that. + +Obviously, it is not easy as we will have a natural tendency to do the contrary, and I +do not blame that, nor do I want to do it in the future. I know +we all act in good faith, I just took the occasion of this thread to expose the idea +and what I humbly think we should do. People are free to listen or not. + +-- +Michael Scherer +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003276.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3272">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3272">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3272">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3272">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003273.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003273.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..07737fbaf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003273.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3Cpan.2010.12.19.13.47.46.969433%40bcs.org.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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C'EST PLUS CHER !! + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3274">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3274">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3274">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3274">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003275.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003275.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..62c354289 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003275.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0E18C7.4050201%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003274.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003277.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C4D0E18C7.4050201%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 15:37:59 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003277.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 18.12.2010 20:44, schrieb Michael scherer: +><i> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote: +</I>>><i> The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken, +</I>>><i> no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy +</I>>><i> can help to minimise annoyance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to help, +</I>><i> but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will not +</I>><i> really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a separate +</I>><i> community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10 years +</I>><i> because people will think "mageia == mandriva". +</I>><i> +</I>><i>[snip] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva related topic +</I>><i> on Mandriva mailling list ? +</I>><i> +</I> +That's exactly why the notification only got to mandrivas bugzilla, +on IRC, and on cooker ml. Would have used the forum, but as i was looking +for the corresponding advisory i saw both web services were down at the time. +And we set up a warning thread on mandrivauser.de. I thought this was +enough to raise awareness for this problem. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003274.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003277.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003276.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003276.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0bcc21e3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003276.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C201012191133.08369.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003272.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003273.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C201012191133.08369.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 15:33:08 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3276">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3276">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3276">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3276">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sunday 19 December 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Michael scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> who wrote: + +><i> Well, you see the same nickname on plf and mandriva list, yet most people +</I>><i> see that they are 2 different group, and act accordingly. So it can be +</I>><i> done, and the first step is to be aware of the problem, and to understand +</I>><i> it. Maybe this requires to have a strong different brand, maybe others +</I>><i> ideas an be used for that. +</I> +Could be the names are too close to each other, and in the minds of the crowds +the progression Mandrake ==> Mandriva ==> Mageia appears logical. + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + La perfection est atteinte non quand il ne reste rien à ajouter, + mais quand il ne reste rien à enlever. + -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery + + -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> -- + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3276">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3276">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3276">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3276">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003277.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003277.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a5295bbdf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101219/003277.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C201012191655.29324.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003275.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***</H1> + <B>P. Christeas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20breakage%20warning%20%2A%2A%2A%20important%20%2A%2A%2A&In-Reply-To=%3C201012191655.29324.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important ***">p_christ at hol.gr + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Dec 19 15:55:29 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva breakage warning *** important *** +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3277">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3277">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3277">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3277">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 18 December 2010, Michael scherer wrote: +><i> Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to +</I>><i> help, but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss. +</I>><i> +</I>++ + +We all know and won't deny the fact that we come from a Mandriva background +and we still run that distro in our machines. [1] +But, apart from alerting about a mandriva issue, Mageia lists is not the place +to have endless discussions on such matters. + +However, Michael, I would play the devil's advocate and warn you all not to +adopt those Mandriva policies that have kept the distro from suceeding in the +past. Somehow, this "we copy all mdv stuff and methods, we just change the +name[2] and go" attitude worries me. + + + +[1] some of us are also keen to support Mandriva installations, let the +transition be smooth. It is a personal choice, other's mileage may vary. + +[2] and the logo, after 928542 mails of talking about it. + +-- +Say NO to spam and viruses. 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