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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001081.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001081.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2b9cbdd39 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001081.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010111927.32752.balcaen.john%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001082.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Balcaen John</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010111927.32752.balcaen.john%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">balcaen.john at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 00:27:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1081">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1081">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1081">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1081">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +[...] +><i> With a release every 6/8/12 months you can shout it out into the +</I>><i> world: "The NEW Mageia is out"" which always catches not only those +</I>><i> who were waiting but also curious people who never heard about Mageia. +</I>><i> You don't have that kind of PR for a rolling distro which never puts +</I>><i> out a real new release. +</I>You can always release a new install cd every 6/8/12 months even if you're +using a « rolling distro » . + +-- +Balcaen John +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1081">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1081">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1081">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1081">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001082.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001082.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f17b8fe81 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001082.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpVdm7EiPZwu_pERNyaOQMJW6Bsza%2Babt1-H74%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001081.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001083.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpVdm7EiPZwu_pERNyaOQMJW6Bsza%2Babt1-H74%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 00:50:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-dev] test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1082">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1082">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1082">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1082">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/12 Balcaen John <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Le lundi 11 octobre 2010 14:02:16, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> You can always release a new install cd every 6/8/12 months even if you're +</I>><i> using a « rolling distro » . +</I> +Yes, but it will never be as exciting and will not get the same +attention as a new release of a distribution. You ever read about a +Archlinux Beta or release party coming up? With a new release you have +some improvements, a new design (maybe), some new features - all +together at the same day. A rolling release is not exciting, it is as +boring as my wrist watch (radio controlled, solar cell powered, no +maintenace during the last 8 years). It does its job, no negative nor +positive surprises. +That's why people who regard their computer as a tool to get things +done will prefer a rolling release, while others who are interested in +the system will possibly turn to normal releases. + +Of course this has nothing to do with technical reasons, I only wanted +to add this piece of thought. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-dev] test +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1082">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1082">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1082">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1082">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001083.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001083.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e4beac848 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001083.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] test + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20test&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121428.32600.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001082.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001084.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] test</H1> + <B>Angelo Naselli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20test&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121428.32600.anaselli%40linux.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] test">anaselli at linux.it + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 14:28:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+ +Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post, +only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. + +Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have one): + +== Do we want a separated core repository? + +No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) + + +== What will be officially supported? + + - And what does that mean? + + +== How are the sections named? :) + +I think I'm in favor of renaming 'contrib' to 'extra'. + + +== Where do redistributable firmware go (Radeon graphics, Intel WLAN, TG3 +ethernet, etc)? + +To main repository: Arch, Fedora, Opensuse, Ubuntu +To the non-free repository: Debian +Case-by-case arbitrary decision: Mandriva + +If we want to separate non-free firmware à la Debian, I guess one option would +be a separate firmware repository... or we could make free-only installation +an expert option. Certainly we want tg3 ethernet and radeon to work on a +standard installation, and for this we really need the firmware. + +I'd probably prefer to put them in main (as all non-Debian ones) but do some +metapackage magic (or similar) to allow blacklisting them easily for those who +want to. + + +== Where do firmware without license go (DVB, V4L, etc)? + +To unsupported non-free repository: Ubuntu (multiverse) [1], +To unsupported repository without binary packages: Arch (AUR) +Nowhere: Debian, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva + +I guess for this one I'd prefer a helper draktool to handle/download these +instead of shipping them ourselves. + + +== What about patents? + +Almost no software with patents: Fedora, Opensuse + - Essentially no media codecs except theora/vorbis/ogg/vp8 etc. + - Strange exception: libXft, Cairo and Qt4 are shipped with LCD filtering + support enabled, even if it is disabled in freetype + +No software with enforced patents: Debian + - not included (at least): x264 (encoder), lame mp3 (encoder) + - included (at least): MPEG/x decoders, H.264 decoders, MP3 decoders, + AAC decoders, AMR decoders, DTS decoders, AC3 decoders, + WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders, etc + +Some software covered by patents not included: Mandriva + - see below for more information + +All software covered by patents allowed: Arch, Ubuntu + + +IMO we should alter our policy to match either Fedora, Debian or Ubuntu.. The +Mandriva policy makes no sense (for example, no AAC decoder but yes for H.264 +decoder and MPEG-4 encoder?). +I'm really not sure which way we should go, though. WDYT? + + +== If we choose a separate core repository, should we do something regarding + OOo and java? +(there are a million java packages with tight interdependencies, and due to +OOo requiring some of those, we need to ship the whole web in main) + + +== Do we allow P2P file transfer software? + +Yes: Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu +No, except torrents: Mandriva +Unknown, at least torrents allowed: Opensuse + + +== And gaming emulators? + +Allowed: Arch, Debian, Ubuntu +Mostly no, but at least fuse-emulator is shipped: Fedora +Unknown, but lots of them are in OBS 'Emulators' project (unofficial but in +official mirrors): Opensuse +No, but at least zsnes is shipped: Mandriva + + +== And DVDCSS, etc? +Allowed: Arch +Not allowed: Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, Opensuse, Ubuntu + +This should probably be 'no'. + + +============ Mandriva sectioning =========== +=== main +Contains: + - packages that are officially supported, with security updates handled by + the security team + +Restrictions: + - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself + - packages need to have an open source license + o unwritten exception: various non-free but distributable firmware (see + kernel-firmware), for example radeon firmware and TG3 ethernet firmware + are included despite their license; the selection is arbitrary + - packages can't be covered by patents + + o unwritten exception: most patented codecs are shipped + + - these are the patented codecs that are *not* shipped: + o official xvid encoder and decoder (another encoder and decoder is + shipped in main ffmpeg) + o libdca DTS decoder (another decoder is shipped in main ffmpeg) + o lame MP3 encoder (decoders are shipped in libmad and ffmpeg) + o any AAC decoders and encoders + o x264 H.264 encoder (decoder is shipped in main ffmpeg) + o opencore AMR decoders and encoders + (Note: I may have missed some insignificant ones) + + - all other patented codecs are shipped (including H.264 decoder, + MPEG-2 decoders and encoders, MPEG-4 decoders and encoders, + MP3 decoders, DTS decoder, AC-3 encoder/decoder, VC-1 decoder, + WMV/WMA decoders, realvideo decoders) (I didn't recheck the patent + status one-by-one, but this is the AFAIK situation) + + o as with Opensuse and Fedora, MDV has LCD filtering in libXft, Qt4, Cairo + + - packages can't break effective DRM (DVD CSS, AACS..) + - p2p packages are not allowed, except torrent clients + - gaming emulators that use rom files are not allowed + +=== contrib +Contains: + - those packages not in main + +Restrictions: + - same as main, except that packages can depend on other packages in contrib + as well + +=== non-free +Contains: + - those packages not in main or contrib + o including most firmware files, for e.g. WLAN cards +Restrictions: + - same as contrib, except that only redistribution license is required, and + packages can depend on other packages in non-free + + +============ Ubuntu sectioning =========== +== Main +Contains: + - packages that are fully supported +Restrictions: + - can't depend on outside packages (AFAIK) + - applications and drivers need to be free software + (non-free redistributable "documentation, images, sounds, video clips and + firmware" are allowed "on a case-by-case basis"; + in practice all firmware is shipped as long it is redistributable) + - packages can't break effective DRM (DVD CSS, AACS..) + - must not require royalty payments + o apparently patents are an unwritten exception.. + +== Restricted +Contains: + - non-free packages that are officially supported + - it contains the minimal amount of packages, currently only: + bcmwl, fglrx, lpia, nvidia, sl-modem + +== Universe +Contains: + - packages without guaranteed security updates +Restrictions: + - same license policy as Main + +== Multiverse +Contains: + - packages without guaranteed security updates that do not qualify + for Universe (including firmware with unknown license) + +== Partner repository +Contains: + - unspecified 3rd party packages + - contains sun java, adobe flash, skype, realplayer, etc. +Not mirrored in normal mirrors (redistribution outside Ubuntu is probably not +allowed for some packages). + + +============ Debian sectioning =========== +== Main + - packages that are open source + +== Contrib + - open source packages that depend on non-free packages + +== Non-Free + - packages that are non-free but redistributable + + +============ Fedora/Opensuse sectioning =========== +Single repository, see the beginning of message for restrictions. + +Opensuse seems to have a semi-official 'Contrib' repository nowadays, +though it doesn't seem to be precisely specified what goes there: +<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Contrib">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Contrib</A> +It is apparently less official than e.g. Mandriva's 'contrib' or Ubuntu's +'universe', though. + +============ Arch sectioning =========== + +== Core + - Core packages (basesystem only, no X.org, etc) + +== Extra + - Other official packages + +== Community + - Voted and reviewed packages from Unsupported (below). + +== Unsupported + - User submitted packages + - No binary packages. (users must build them themselves) + + +[1] <A HREF="http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/l/linux-firmware-">http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/multiverse/l/linux-firmware-</A> +nonfree/linux-firmware-nonfree_1.8/linux-firmware-nonfree.copyright + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-dev] test +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1084">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1084">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1084">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1084">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001085.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001085.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dfab5ad1e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001085.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktLcbQ4Y-XaBevHxD4-8c3_Yw5pkFYYF%3Dp8HHZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001084.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001111.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTiktLcbQ4Y-XaBevHxD4-8c3_Yw5pkFYYF%3Dp8HHZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 17:34:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1085">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1085">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1085">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1085">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 12 October 2010 17:02, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +><i> Restrictions: +</I>><i>  - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself +</I>><i>  - packages need to have an open source license +</I>><i>   o unwritten exception: various non-free but distributable firmware (see +</I>><i>     kernel-firmware), for example radeon firmware and TG3 ethernet firmware +</I>><i>     are included despite their license; the selection is arbitrary +</I> +It's not an exception. Those that as a reasonable licence go in +main/release/kernel-firmware +Those w/o a license go into non-free/release/kernel-firmware-extra +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1085">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1085">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1085">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1085">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001086.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001086.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ead543558 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001086.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121753.54590.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001111.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001087.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121753.54590.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 17:53:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1086">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1086">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1086">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1086">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> Hi all! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> == What about patents? +</I> +Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in France, +where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is softwares are not +eligible to patent so i would say that there is no need to apply restriction + +><i> +</I>><i> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I> +What's in etc ? +However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that the +law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception of +circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words the use +of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for interoperability + +About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some projects +useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in 1996, i don't +remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's provide codec by default +with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) + +These are my first comments + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1086">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1086">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1086">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1086">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001087.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001087.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..585ac3ecd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001087.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikXmOOp685JBCiowHub5R8tTNBvC5iqTXjDTrQv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001086.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001088.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikXmOOp685JBCiowHub5R8tTNBvC5iqTXjDTrQv%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 18:07:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1087">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1087">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1087">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1087">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>>><i> Hi all! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> == What about patents? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in France, +</I>><i> where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is softwares are not +</I>><i> eligible to patent so i would say that there is no need to apply restriction +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's in etc ? +</I>><i> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that the +</I>><i> law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception of +</I>><i> circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words the use +</I>><i> of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for interoperability +</I>><i> +</I>><i> About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some projects +</I>><i> useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in 1996, i don't +</I>><i> remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's provide codec by default +</I>><i> with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are my first comments +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> + +Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in +other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1087">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1087">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1087">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1087">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001088.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001088.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7c8ad116d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001088.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121811.52180.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001087.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001089.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121811.52180.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 18:11:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1088">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1088">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1088">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1088">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 18:07:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Hi all! +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> == What about patents? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in +</I>><i> > France, where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is +</I>><i> > softwares are not eligible to patent so i would say that there is no +</I>><i> > need to apply restriction +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's in etc ? +</I>><i> > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>><i> > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>><i> > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>><i> > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> > interoperability +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some +</I>><i> > projects useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in +</I>><i> > 1996, i don't remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's +</I>><i> > provide codec by default with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > These are my first comments +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Olivier +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in +</I>><i> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. +</I> +And going that way you will have to drop each software that will break a law +in a country ... + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1088">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1088">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1088">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1088">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001089.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001089.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7ded25f30 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001089.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DJOmY040UHcx_sD3n2M2AZ-hCNdjKQRroywKuH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001088.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001092.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DJOmY040UHcx_sD3n2M2AZ-hCNdjKQRroywKuH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 18:14:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 12 October 2010 18:11, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 18:07:08, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>>><i> On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>>><i> >> Hi all! +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> == What about patents? +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in +</I>>><i> > France, where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is +</I>>><i> > softwares are not eligible to patent so i would say that there is no +</I>>><i> > need to apply restriction +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> >> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > What's in etc ? +</I>>><i> > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>>><i> > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>>><i> > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>>><i> > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>>><i> > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>>><i> > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>>><i> > interoperability +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some +</I>>><i> > projects useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in +</I>>><i> > 1996, i don't remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's +</I>>><i> > provide codec by default with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > These are my first comments +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Olivier +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in +</I>>><i> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And going that way you will have to drop each software that will break a law +</I>><i> in a country ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> +I said "not all patent restrictions can be dropped"; it's not a +lift-all-restrictions-and-hope-it-works-out sort of deal here :) + +Not all patents are enforceable in a court of law, however some of them are. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001090.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001090.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..873c32d66 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001090.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012161841.GD6425%40mongueurs.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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those patents still apply in +</I>><i> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. +</I> +Nobody know the laws of every country in the world. + +Just because some software might be covered by patents in a FEW countries, +you want to make users in the rest of the world suffer the inconvenience +of not having proper multimedia support out of the box? + +I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible, it the +user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if necessary +uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her country. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1091">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1091">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1091">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1091">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001092.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001092.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d24745121 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001092.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB48AA0.1060701%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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those patents still apply in +</I>>><i> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. +</I>><i> And going that way you will have to drop each software that will break a law +</I>><i> in a country ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>Hi, ++1 +When I install a linux distro (Ubuntu - OpenSuse - Mandriva), my first +reflex is to install all the "non-free" packages because I can not use +the full functionnality of my PC (watching protected DVD, proprietary +drivers like nvidia / ati / wireless ... etc. ...) + +Is it possible to build a Mageia distro with all necessary package for +easy use without all this patents problem and specifically for each +country some specials web pages ? +In these web pages : the list of non-free packages to replace by free +packages ... +(for example). + +Patent restrictions are completely against ease of use and enjoying user +experience. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001091.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1092">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1092">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1092">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1092">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001093.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001093.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..59c94f89f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001093.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB48B14.60902%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I think it is best if these are not +installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. + +When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. + +If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +countries where the laws do not permit this. I don't really think would +be a wise decision. + +Marc +Canada + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001095.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1094">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1094">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1094">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1094">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001095.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001095.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ea5a4c4f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001095.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C405.4cb49269%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001094.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001097.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C405.4cb49269%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 18:52:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1095">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1095">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1095">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1095">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: marc wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 18:42 +><i> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>><i> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not +</I>><i> +</I>><i> installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I> +How do you expect Mageia to verify each single package to make sure it +complies with the laws in ALL countries of the world? +Mageia should make sure that the packages comply with French law, but +that's it. + +You can still install Mageia and then remove the packages that are +problematic in your country, I very much doubt your laws are that +draconian that you can't even do that. +Mageia could include an option during install to exclude the well-known +problematic packages from installation to make this easier for people that +live in countries with restrictive laws. + +><i> When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>><i> +</I>><i> PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I> +This is a major hassle for new/inexperienced users and IMHO should be +avoided. + +><i> If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>><i> brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>><i> countries where the laws do not permit this. +</I> +This is nonsense, Mageia can only be held responsible in France based on +French law (as long as Mageia isn't planning subsidiaries in outher +countries, which IMHO is unlikely and completely unnecessary for a +non-profit association). + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1095">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1095">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1095">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1095">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001096.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001096.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1a6f2183d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001096.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB492C8.8020603%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001100.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001102.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB492C8.8020603%40marneau.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tempo2 at marneau.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 18:54:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Le 12/10/2010 18:42, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>><i> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are +</I>><i> not installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where +</I>><i> the PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>><i> brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>><i> countries where the laws do not permit this. I don't really think +</I>><i> would be a wise decision. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> Canada +</I>><i> +</I>The problem with a modification of packages with PLF post an initial +install is that we are not absolutely sure to clean/drop/definitively +destroy the "patent compliant packages" ... the dependencies between rpm +are in cause. + +I have not done the count, but often it is not possible for me to +uninstall certain packages because after installation they come in the +dependencies of others. But the unique reason of presence is not because +they are usefull, but only this binding dependencies. + + +I think now to a sort of option to choice just at the beginning of first +install. A question like : "Do you need patent free packages or want you +cool packages" ? +- If response 1 : Mageia install only the legal compliances packages, +- if 2 ... the legal packages are not installed and we have the easy to +use package for easy to use OS (VLC with DVD for example, nvidia drivers). +With that, all the world is satisfied ;-) + +Is it possible ? + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001097.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001097.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..009a9df41 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001097.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB49438.8070900%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I think it is best if these are not +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do you expect Mageia to verify each single package to make sure it +</I>><i> complies with the laws in ALL countries of the world? +</I>><i> Mageia should make sure that the packages comply with French law, but +</I>><i> that's it. +</I>><i> +</I> +How do you think packages were done in Mandriva (and other distros) +all those years? + +><i> You can still install Mageia and then remove the packages that are +</I>><i> problematic in your country, I very much doubt your laws are that +</I>><i> draconian that you can't even do that. +</I>><i> Mageia could include an option during install to exclude the well-known +</I>><i> problematic packages from installation to make this easier for people that +</I>><i> live in countries with restrictive laws. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is a major hassle for new/inexperienced users and IMHO should be +</I>><i> avoided. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>>><i> brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>>><i> countries where the laws do not permit this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is nonsense, Mageia can only be held responsible in France based on +</I>><i> French law (as long as Mageia isn't planning subsidiaries in outher +</I>><i> countries, which IMHO is unlikely and completely unnecessary for a +</I>><i> non-profit association). +</I>><i> +</I> +Sure, Mageia won't be held responsible, only the users deploying it in +other countries where those laws apply. You also have to bear in mind +school/university labs, companies.. etc. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001099.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1098">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1098">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1098">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1098">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001099.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001099.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5724c7038 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001099.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C409.4cb4965f%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001097.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001098.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C409.4cb4965f%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:09:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Lucien-Henry Horvath wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:00 +><i> +</I>><i> Don't panic ... if our french government continue in the sens of +</I>><i> DADVSI, +</I>><i> HADOPI, and LOPSI law ... our futur is to build any linux distribution +</I>><i> +</I>><i> without possibility to install anything (no video player, no tools for +</I>><i> +</I>><i> download, no tools for learn working about network like netsaint etc +</I>><i> ...). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Poor dear freedom :( +</I> +If that happens then the owners/maintainers of zarb.org/plf will be in +trouble, too. + +Also if it ever gets that bad, then the association could in future be +moved to a country with less restrictive laws, it doesn't have to be in +the same country as the founders. + +All big corporations do that (move their HQ to the country with the best +laws/taxes) so why not a FOSS association? + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001100.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001100.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..589a239f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001100.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C40a.4cb49881%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001098.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001096.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C40a.4cb49881%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:18:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 19:08 +><i> +</I>><i> How do you think packages were done in Mandriva (and other distros) +</I>><i> all those years? +</I> +Mandriva was a commercial company with ambitions to sell it's products +commercial all over the world, that's a completely different situation to +Mageia. + +><i> Sure, Mageia won't be held responsible, only the users deploying it in +</I>><i> other countries where those laws apply. You also have to bear in mind +</I>><i> school/university labs, companies.. etc. +</I> +Like I suggested earlier, during install there can be an option to +include/exclude well known problematic packages. + +And yes, end users will ALWAYS be responsible for what they install/use, +regardless what Mageia includes in the default install, Mageia (or anyone +else) cannot take that responsibility away from the user. +Besides that I have never heard of a private person being sued for using +unlicensed patented codecs, not even in the US and most US Linux users +install them anyway from plf (or similar repos of other distros). + +Regardless of that no company/school/university will just do a default +install (regardless if we include plf packages), they will always have to +do their own custom selection based on their on internal regulations +anyway (in addition to local laws). + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001101.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001101.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..739958f73 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001101.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121929.56279.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001115.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001110.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121929.56279.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:29:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 17:02:38 schreef Anssi Hannula: +><i> Hi all! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning we +</I>><i> should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that I won't talk about backports / private repositories in this post, +</I>><i> only about the basic sectioning and packages in those. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some points to consider (I've written my opinion in ones where I have one): +</I> +imo; non_free should be separated from free (to allow easy Free releases) + +extra could contain the (un/poorly) maintained packages (or extra could be +gone). + +for efficiency reasons, maybe having main+contrib in one repos; could be slow + +we could separate some noarch content packages in another repos (which will +never be arched) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001102.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001102.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..35527638c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001102.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9261a%24rpa%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001096.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001104.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9261a%24rpa%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:31:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-12 12:54, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit : +><i> Le 12/10/2010 18:42, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>>><i> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are +</I>>><i> not installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where +</I>>><i> the PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>>><i> brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>>><i> countries where the laws do not permit this. I don't really think +</I>>><i> would be a wise decision. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> Canada +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The problem with a modification of packages with PLF post an initial +</I>><i> install is that we are not absolutely sure to clean/drop/definitively +</I>><i> destroy the "patent compliant packages" ... the dependencies between rpm +</I>><i> are in cause. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have not done the count, but often it is not possible for me to +</I>><i> uninstall certain packages because after installation they come in the +</I>><i> dependencies of others. But the unique reason of presence is not because +</I>><i> they are usefull, but only this binding dependencies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think now to a sort of option to choice just at the beginning of first +</I>><i> install. A question like : "Do you need patent free packages or want you +</I>><i> cool packages" ? +</I>><i> - If response 1 : Mageia install only the legal compliances packages, +</I>><i> - if 2 ... the legal packages are not installed and we have the easy to +</I>><i> use package for easy to use OS (VLC with DVD for example, nvidia drivers). +</I>><i> With that, all the world is satisfied ;-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Is it possible ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Hi Lucien, this is not directed to you but to the discussion on this thread: + +There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos. +It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It +became a matter of user choice. By installing, by default, non-licensed +software you are not giving the user the choice. You are then targeting +a group of users who can install without legal consequence. If Mageia.ca +or Mageia.us etc. decided to organize, then as entities, they would then +become liable for the publication of illegal software. In Canada, they +are a little more lenient than in the US. I cannot imagine anyone +organising such a group in the US where they would accept liability for +this. + +If there is a choice of installing non-licensed software, then it should +be done at the user level and not at the Mageia level. Non-licensed +software will not be accepted by any educational establishments, +business, government, associations ... + +The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and many +have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a repo that +is left to the users' choice as install. + +I thought that PLF were on board with the Mageia project. Does anyone know? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001103.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001103.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0dd21022a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001103.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121933.48751.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001116.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001114.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010121933.48751.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:33:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 12 oktober 2010 18:07:08 schreef Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 12 October 2010 17:53, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Hi all! +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> == What about patents? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in +</I>><i> > France, where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is +</I>><i> > softwares are not eligible to patent so i would say that there is no +</I>><i> > need to apply restriction +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's in etc ? +</I>><i> > However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> > Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that +</I>><i> > the law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception +</I>><i> > of circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words +</I>><i> > the use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> > So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> > interoperability +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some +</I>><i> > projects useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in +</I>><i> > 1996, i don't remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's +</I>><i> > provide codec by default with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > These are my first comments +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Olivier +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia won't be installed only in France; those patents still apply in +</I>><i> other countries so not all patent restrictions can be dropped. +</I> + +imo, they could be dropped, it's just simply the user who will have to watch +out which he will use and which he won't +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001104.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001104.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3671c4129 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001104.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB49F16.7070007%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001102.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001105.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C4CB49F16.7070007%40marneau.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">tempo2 at marneau.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 19:47:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Le 12/10/2010 19:31, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Hi Lucien, this is not directed to you but to the discussion on this +</I>><i> thread: +</I>No problem for me ;-) +><i> There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos. +</I>><i> It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It +</I>><i> became a matter of user choice. By installing, by default, +</I>><i> non-licensed software you are not giving the user the choice. You are +</I>><i> then targeting a group of users who can install without legal +</I>><i> consequence. If Mageia.ca or Mageia.us etc. decided to organize, then +</I>><i> as entities, they would then become liable for the publication of +</I>><i> illegal software. In Canada, they are a little more lenient than in +</I>><i> the US. I cannot imagine anyone organising such a group in the US +</I>><i> where they would accept liability for this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If there is a choice of installing non-licensed software, then it +</I>><i> should be done at the user level and not at the Mageia level. +</I>><i> Non-licensed software will not be accepted by any educational +</I>><i> establishments, business, government, associations ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The safest route is to offer FOSS software (they are well known and +</I>><i> many have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a +</I>><i> repo that is left to the users' choice as install. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I thought that PLF were on board with the Mageia project. Does anyone +</I>><i> know? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +And why don't we affect specific packages to the country exactly like +the localization is affected ? In France too the default install is +certainly the choice of the educational establishments ... but in french +FR_FR, not in EN_US. +So, why not a pre-selection of certain kind of packages in the same time +of selection of the country in the install menu ? + +Suggestion : (don't beat me please) : + +Actually, we have team for translating the texts ... why not somes teams +for choose between "free or not free" packages in localized variation of +Mageia. +I know PLF (without that, no Mandriva on my PC), but I think that +waiting the PLF adaptation, or have garbage free packages after PLF +installation is not optimal. + + + +Own remark : (No, no, don't beat ...) + +Mageia is new, young, dynamical ... I suggest to use this situation for +don't go in the same ways than the others ... With "free + PLF", we +don't inovate in regard of the existing Mandriva / OpenSuse / Ubuntu / +Slac/ etc ... etc ... we only repeat the old schema. Why do a new distro +also ? + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001105.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001105.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7930d07a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001105.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci927nu%241u6%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001104.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001106.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3Ci927nu%241u6%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 20:00:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> +</I>><i> And why don't we affect specific packages to the country exactly like +</I>><i> the localization is affected ? In France too the default install is +</I>><i> certainly the choice of the educational establishments ... but in french +</I>><i> FR_FR, not in EN_US. +</I>><i> So, why not a pre-selection of certain kind of packages in the same time +</I>><i> of selection of the country in the install menu ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Suggestion : (don't beat me please) : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Actually, we have team for translating the texts ... why not somes teams +</I>><i> for choose between "free or not free" packages in localized variation of +</I>><i> Mageia. +</I>><i> I know PLF (without that, no Mandriva on my PC), but I think that +</I>><i> waiting the PLF adaptation, or have garbage free packages after PLF +</I>><i> installation is not optimal. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Own remark : (No, no, don't beat ...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia is new, young, dynamical ... I suggest to use this situation for +</I>><i> don't go in the same ways than the others ... With "free + PLF", we +</I>><i> don't inovate in regard of the existing Mandriva / OpenSuse / Ubuntu / +</I>><i> Slac/ etc ... etc ... we only repeat the old schema. Why do a new distro +</I>><i> also ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001106.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001106.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8aa3e8a1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001106.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122018.49381.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001105.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001107.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122018.49381.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 20:18:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 20:00:29, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> > +</I>><i> > Mageia is new, young, dynamical ... I suggest to use this situation for +</I>><i> > don't go in the same ways than the others ... With "free + PLF", we +</I>><i> > don't inovate in regard of the existing Mandriva / OpenSuse / Ubuntu / +</I>><i> > Slac/ etc ... etc ... we only repeat the old schema. Why do a new distro +</I>><i> > also ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think pre-selected Country installs would just be too hard to +</I>><i> coordinate, laws change. Free and non-free is pretty simple. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +Free and non-free is pretty simple, once we have agreed on what's free and +what's not ! + +For example, Lame is a free software (GPL) but i may not be free according to +patents if software patents are legal and it depends on the country. + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001107.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001107.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9e183cb57 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001107.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinucDfM07%2Bg04XmHs1mrxy8oyMFAoomVTTzgypU%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001106.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001108.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinucDfM07%2Bg04XmHs1mrxy8oyMFAoomVTTzgypU%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 20:37:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Free and non-free is pretty simple, once we have agreed on what's free and +</I>><i> what's not ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, Lame is a free software (GPL) but i may not be free according to +</I>><i> patents if software patents are legal and it depends on the country. +</I> +Yes, but there is a third group: software which may be illegal to be +used in certain countries. This has nothing to do with free or +non-free. For example, friends of the movie industry claim that +libdvdcss is illegal in Germany, other legal experts claim just the +opposite. This issue never went to court because IMO the movie +industry does not want to risk a court decision against them (like in +France). So they keep publishing FUD about this and it's up to the +user to decide which side he thinks is right - not a good idea in a +legal issue. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1107">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1107">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1107">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1107">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001108.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001108.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c6d656502 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001108.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122114.28825.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001107.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001109.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122114.28825.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 21:14:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 20:37:07, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/12 Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>>: +</I>><i> > Free and non-free is pretty simple, once we have agreed on what's free +</I>><i> > and what's not ! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > For example, Lame is a free software (GPL) but i may not be free +</I>><i> > according to patents if software patents are legal and it depends on the +</I>><i> > country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, but there is a third group: software which may be illegal to be +</I>><i> used in certain countries. This has nothing to do with free or +</I>><i> non-free. For example, friends of the movie industry claim that +</I>><i> libdvdcss is illegal in Germany, other legal experts claim just the +</I>><i> opposite. This issue never went to court because IMO the movie +</I>><i> industry does not want to risk a court decision against them (like in +</I>><i> France). So they keep publishing FUD about this and it's up to the +</I>><i> user to decide which side he thinks is right - not a good idea in a +</I>><i> legal issue. +</I> +There have been a trial in Finland <A HREF="http://www.turre.com/2007/05/finnish-court-">http://www.turre.com/2007/05/finnish-court-</A> +rules-css-protection-used-in-dvds-ineffective where the court declare that css +protection was ineffective where european legislation EUCD says that it was +illegal to circumvent effective protection. + +In France a group called stopdrm who wanted to test our judicial system about +the question of DRM, there was no trial since the attorney closed the case (in +french "classé sans suite") + +So i think we can say for European Union that libdvdcss is legal (i take the +risk to say it !) + +Maybe a workaround would be to use timezone to determine the country and for +some country disable the installation of codec and other nice things. + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001109.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001109.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..de4c42fa2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001109.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_KN60LvNYqfUrXcg_FKmxhDf9P-ot%3D_t-Aqqa%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Certainly we want tg3 ethernet and radeon to work on a +</I>><i>standard installation, and for this we really need the firmware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>I'd probably prefer to put them in main (as all non-Debian ones) but do some +</I>><i>metapackage magic (or similar) to allow blacklisting them easily for those who +</I>><i>want to. +</I>I'm in favor of some kind of separation, if it is by creating a firmware +repo or some packaging magik it is merely a technical question. + +><i> +</I>><i>== Where do firmware without license go (DVB, V4L, etc)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i>To unsupported non-free repository: Ubuntu (multiverse) [1], +</I>><i>To unsupported repository without binary packages: Arch (AUR) +</I>><i>Nowhere: Debian, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva +</I>><i> +</I>><i>I guess for this one I'd prefer a helper draktool to handle/download these +</I>><i>instead of shipping them ourselves. +</I>this sounds a nice idea, or do something like the plf flash-player +package + +><i> +</I>><i>== What about patents? +</I> +I agree with Olivier on this, mageia as an association should protect +itself from being sued in France, apart from that we should be actively +fighting patents ;) + +><i>== If we choose a separate core repository, should we do something regarding +</I>><i> OOo and java? +</I>><i>(there are a million java packages with tight interdependencies, and due to +</I>><i>OOo requiring some of those, we need to ship the whole web in main) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i>== Do we allow P2P file transfer software? +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Yes: Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu +</I>><i>No, except torrents: Mandriva +</I>><i>Unknown, at least torrents allowed: Opensuse +</I>if the software is free, yes +Ptp is not illegal anywere, transferring copyrighted materal without +authorization usually is. + +><i>== And gaming emulators? +</I>><i> +</I>again, if the software is free, yes + +><i>== And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i>Allowed: Arch +</I>><i>Not allowed: Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, Opensuse, Ubuntu +</I>><i> +</I>><i>This should probably be 'no'. +</I>I'd say yes, in europe it should fall under the interoperability case. + + +-- +Luca Berra -- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bluca at vodka.it</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1110">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1110">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1110">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1110">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001111.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001111.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..069eaedbf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001111.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012201941.D65717F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001085.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001086.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012201941.D65717F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:19:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:34:34 Thierry Vignaud wrote: +><i> On 12 October 2010 17:02, Anssi Hannula <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Restrictions: +</I>><i> > - packages can only depend or builddepend on packages in main itself +</I>><i> > - packages need to have an open source license +</I>><i> > o unwritten exception: various non-free but distributable firmware +</I>><i> > (see +</I>><i> > kernel-firmware), for example radeon firmware and TG3 ethernet +</I>><i> > firmware are included despite their license; the selection is arbitrary +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's not an exception. Those that as a reasonable licence go in +</I>><i> main/release/kernel-firmware +</I>><i> Those w/o a license go into non-free/release/kernel-firmware-extra +</I> +It would seem like that, but if you take a look in the included firmware files +you'll see that is not true (I also raised this on cooker@ once: "[RFC] Non- +free firmware: main or non-free, or?"). + +Some randomexamples: +kernel-firmware: + - TG3 firmware: redistribution allowed, no modifications + - Sun Cassini: Unknown + - ti_usb_3410_5052: redistributable, no modifications. + +kernel-firmware-extra: + - agere firmware: redistributable, modifications allowed + - Atheros firmware: same + - usbdux: GPL with source code + + +Basically 'kernel-firmware' contains all firmware that has at some point been +in the main kernel itself, while 'kernel-firmware-extra' contains all new +firmware. + +License does not factor in here. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001112.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001112.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1aa9f0a64 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001112.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012202430.038967F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001090.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001115.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012202430.038967F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:24:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1112">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1112">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1112">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1112">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 12 October 2010 18:18:41 Jerome Quelin wrote: +><i> On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote: +</I>><i> > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning +</I>><i> > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> > Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i'd rather have no separated core repository. it's really not funny to +</I>><i> fail some builds in core because of deps in contrib: understanding why +</I>><i> the build fails, requesting the move to main, waiting for someone with +</I>><i> move powers to act, waiting for hdlist to be rebuilt and finally, +</I>><i> finally resubmit the job... -ENOFUN! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> now, i guess this will also depend of the support policy we decide for +</I>><i> mageia. but i'd really, really like *not* to split main & contrib (or +</I>><i> whatever their names are). +</I> +I'd have to agree. + +However, if we'll only support a subset of the packages, it needs to be very +clear for everyone what packages are supported and whatnot (meaning notable +notifications in rpmdrake, etc). + +.. though AFAICS Mandriva didn't make this clear at all either, unless users +went to the wiki page to read the media descriptions. We should do better. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1112">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1112">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1112">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1112">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001113.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001113.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..307c0190c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001113.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012203649.2472B7F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001109.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001117.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012203649.2472B7F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:36:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1113">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1113">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1113">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1113">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 12 October 2010 13:31:21 Marc Paré wrote: +><i> There was actually nothing wrong with the Mandriva treatment of repos. +</I>><i> It clearly satisfied everyone's expectation of their installation. It +</I>><i> became a matter of user choice. By installing, by default, non-licensed +</I>><i> software you are not giving the user the choice. You are then targeting +</I>><i> a group of users who can install without legal consequence. +</I> +Didn't you read the first post? :) +Mandriva in fact includes lots of codec packages covered by patents. + +The point is that we need to decide what kind of packages do we want. Should +we drop practically all codecs (like Fedora), or have them all in the +repository (like Ubuntu)? + + +><i> I thought that PLF were on board with the Mageia project. Does anyone know? +</I> +They are. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1113">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1113">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1113">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1113">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001114.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001114.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7e00a729 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001114.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012203737.BECD97F0F5%40luumupuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001103.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001090.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012203737.BECD97F0F5%40luumupuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:37:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 12 October 2010 17:53:54 Olivier Méjean wrote: +><i> Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 17:02:38, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>><i> > Hi all! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > == What about patents? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Software Patents are allowed or not according to the country. Here in +</I>><i> France, where Mageia.org, the association is based, the rule is softwares +</I>><i> are not eligible to patent so i would say that there is no need to apply +</I>><i> restriction +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > == And DVDCSS, etc? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's in etc ? +</I> +libaacs for example, for AACS in Bluray. + +><i> However, here in France we have a law "Dadvsi" on which the Conseil +</I>><i> Constitutionnel (something like American Suprem Court) has statuted that the +</I>><i> law could not prevent exception of decompilation and the exception of +</I>><i> circumvention of DRM if this is for interoperability. In other words the +</I>><i> use of libdvdcss is allowed for interoperability. +</I>><i> So for me, Mageia can come with libdvdcss and other tools for +</I>><i> interoperability +</I>><i> +</I>><i> About codec, you may know that VLC is based in France and hosts some +</I>><i> projects useful for interoperability. Since the start of the project in +</I>><i> 1996, i don't remember VLC being sued for such projects. So let's provide +</I>><i> codec by default with Mageia for a better "user experience" :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are my first comments +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001115.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001115.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e27b165a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001115.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122244.50986.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001112.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001101.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C201010122244.50986.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:44:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1115">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1115">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1115">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1115">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 12 octobre 2010 22:24:29, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On Tuesday 12 October 2010 18:18:41 Jerome Quelin wrote: +</I>><i> > On 10/10/12 18:02 +0300, Anssi Hannula wrote: +</I>><i> > > Do people have any thoughts on what kind of repository/media sectioning +</I>><i> > > we should use on Mageia, and what should those sections contain? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > == Do we want a separated core repository? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > No separated core: Fedora, Debian, Opensuse +</I>><i> > > Separated core: Mandriva (main), Ubuntu (main), Arch (Core) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > i'd rather have no separated core repository. it's really not funny to +</I>><i> > fail some builds in core because of deps in contrib: understanding why +</I>><i> > the build fails, requesting the move to main, waiting for someone with +</I>><i> > move powers to act, waiting for hdlist to be rebuilt and finally, +</I>><i> > finally resubmit the job... -ENOFUN! +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > now, i guess this will also depend of the support policy we decide for +</I>><i> > mageia. but i'd really, really like *not* to split main & contrib (or +</I>><i> > whatever their names are). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'd have to agree. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, if we'll only support a subset of the packages, it needs to be +</I>><i> very clear for everyone what packages are supported and whatnot (meaning +</I>><i> notable notifications in rpmdrake, etc). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> .. though AFAICS Mandriva didn't make this clear at all either, unless +</I>><i> users went to the wiki page to read the media descriptions. We should do +</I>><i> better. +</I> +Reason why Mandriva splitted between main and contrib was that main comes with +a guarantee from Mandriva while contrib doesn't. Mageia may not adopt such a +difference + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1115">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1115">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1115">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1115">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001116.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001116.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e4726277b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001116.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012205417.0F0A97F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001117.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001103.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101012205417.0F0A97F100%40oliivipuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 12 22:54:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1116">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1116">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1116">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1116">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 12 October 2010 12:42:55 Marc Paré wrote: +><i> Le 2010-10-12 12:21, Lucien-Henry Horvath a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le 12/10/2010 18:19, Tux99 a écrit : +</I>><i> >> I think Mageia should include as much multimedia codecs as possible, +</I>><i> >> it the +</I>><i> >> user's responsibility to know the laws of his/her country and if +</I>><i> >> necessary +</I>><i> >> uninstall anything unlicensed/illegal in his/her country. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Not only multimedia but drivers too ... in my humble personal opinion / +</I>><i> > wishes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unfortunately, if this is done, I will no longer be able to install +</I>><i> legally any Mageia due to our laws. I think it is best if these are not +</I>><i> installed but let users know where to get them, mostly through PLF. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When I install Mandriva Free for people, I will let them know where the +</I>><i> PLF repos are and the files needed and they install these themselves. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia packages include unlicensed software and codecs, the Mageia +</I>><i> brand may be held legally responsible for marketing software in +</I>><i> countries where the laws do not permit this. I don't really think would +</I>><i> be a wise decision. +</I> +Like Ubuntu has been? :) + +I do see your point, though. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1116">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1116">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1116">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1116">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001117.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101012/001117.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a327ff143 --- /dev/null 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FOSS software (they are well known and +</I>><i> many +</I>><i> have had their code audited) and leave the "fringe" softs on a repo +</I>><i> that +</I>><i> is left to the users' choice as install. +</I> +Marc, FOSS has nothing to do with whether a particular software infringes +on patents in some countries or not, don't confuse the COPYRIGHT license +with patents issues. + +There is plenty of pure FOSS software that is infringing on some patents +(primarily in the US with their free-for-all software patent policy), in +fact given the amount of software patents granted in the US I wouldn't be +surprised if most FOSS software (actually most software, not just FOSS) +infringes some patent in the US (heck, even MS Office just got caught +infringing on some patent held by some patent-troll). + +This starts from the Linux kernel all the way to apps like OOo, there is +simply no way to make a distro that is patent-safe according to US laws. + +Why do you think Canonical is incorporated in the UK and not in the US? + +Why do you think Novell made the patent-protection agreement with +Microsoft? + +The only major commercial Linux distro that is based in US is Redhat and +that's probably only because at the time they were founded the patents +issue in the US didn't exist yet (at least not like these days). + +We cannot base our distro on the ridiculous patents laws of the US, first +of all there is no legal reason to do so, and second why should users all +around the world suffer US patent laws despite they don't apply to them? + +Having separate plf repos IS A MAJOR OBSTACLE for new users (and for +packagers probably too), first of all because most have no idea that these +exist and then even if they find out you need to consider all those users +on dialup for whom downloading many megabytes of replacement plf packages +is a major problem. + +So again, I suggest we include all the important codecs and +drivers/firmware that help the user to have a great out-of-the-box +experience with Mageia, but we add a question during installation so the +user can decide if he wants to install them or not. + +This should keep everybody happy, I don't see why this couldn't be +agreeable for you. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1117">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1117">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1117">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1117">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev 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+<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1110"> </A> +<I>Luca Berra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1111"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1112"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1113"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1114"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1115"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A 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