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Is Gnome 2 traditional? What about Gnustep? +</I>><i> And Cinnamon? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, I'd like to see Cinnamon in the next Mageia, not because +</I>><i> it's traditional or modern, but because it's for me the only reasonable +</I>><i> compensation for losing Gnome 2. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > So, I've answered the poll, but my real answer is the following: if I +</I>>><i> > had to use a distribution with only 3 qualities out of all these, I +</I>>><i> > would be an unhappy user. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Looks like you did not read the initial posting where I explain what I +</I>>><i> mean with "top requirements". Of course I could have allowed for 5 or +</I>>><i> 10 votes, but my intention is to find out the most important features +</I>>><i> a distribution must have, otherwise you would not touch it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +</I>><i> and I don't think it's how most users function either. +</I> +No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other +users is your opinion. + +><i> This poll sounds like you might end up concluding "ok, our users value +</I>><i> features over stability, so we're gonna make a crashy distro with many +</I>><i> features". Surely you understand how unreasonable that is: even these +</I>><i> users which said they values features will still get angry about the +</I>><i> crashes. +</I> +If you want to draw such unreasonable conclusions, fine. Don't expect +me to do the same. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6354">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6354">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6354">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6354">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006355.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006355.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b9275e77 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006355.html @@ -0,0 +1,155 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5NzRD1G48T6XUJvD2cndoBCJO96Jme_GngDC3gGfPpDA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006369.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006356.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5NzRD1G48T6XUJvD2cndoBCJO96Jme_GngDC3gGfPpDA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 06:11:49 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6355">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6355">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6355">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6355">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/28 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> Le samedi 28 janvier 2012 à 20:37 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : +</I>>><i> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:19:45 +0100 +</I>>><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > > (and let's not talk about "Modern GUI": for me Gnome 2 is as modern as +</I>>><i> > > Gnome 3 and KDE 4) +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > "modern" in this context means "opposed to the traditional GUIs". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "traditional" is undefined. Is Gnome 2 traditional? What about Gnustep? +</I>>><i> And Cinnamon? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For example, I'd like to see Cinnamon in the next Mageia, not because +</I>>><i> it's traditional or modern, but because it's for me the only reasonable +</I>>><i> compensation for losing Gnome 2. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > > So, I've answered the poll, but my real answer is the following: if I +</I>>><i> > > had to use a distribution with only 3 qualities out of all these, I +</I>>><i> > > would be an unhappy user. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Looks like you did not read the initial posting where I explain what I +</I>>><i> > mean with "top requirements". Of course I could have allowed for 5 or +</I>>><i> > 10 votes, but my intention is to find out the most important features +</I>>><i> > a distribution must have, otherwise you would not touch it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +</I>>><i> and I don't think it's how most users function either. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I mean, I certainly want no crashes (who wants crashes in the middle +</I>>><i> of an editing session?) and I certainly want hardware support (otherwise +</I>>><i> how would I use my computer?), but I also want stability, good support, +</I>>><i> a nice community, a good choice of software, etc. I don't draw a +</I>>><i> hierarchy of these criteria: they are *all* important. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The issue is that they cannot be done all at the same time. +</I> +Yes. That's why polls are made. If you can do everything at the same +time you don't need any polls at all. + +><i> While I appreciate Wobo efforts to get meaningful numbers, I am rather +</I>><i> doubtful about a few things. First, the choice of questions make me +</I>><i> wonder, since my memories tell me that for doing such kind of polls, you +</I>><i> first need to do preliminary research to find the options. +</I> +The questions are a result of reading user's postings for quite some years. + +><i> There is for example various things like : +</I>><i> "networking out of the box", and "good hardware recognition" that are +</I>><i> the same. +</I> +Not at all. Example: my wifi hardware is recognized out of the box but +it is a drag to get it working. + +><i> And LTS go hand to hand with "stable as top priority" ( since LTS mean +</I>><i> the system do not change for a long time, and usually, once enough bugs +</I>><i> are fixed, softwares are rather stable ). +</I> +Not the same. + +><i> Not to mention that a poll may give incorrect expectation to people, and +</I>><i> usually only measure a fraction of the users. +</I> +Yes, same as elections and marketing surveys. + +><i> And more importantly, it doesn't help us on the crucial thing ( IMHO ), +</I>><i> how to expend the contributeurs pool. +</I>><i> I think asking "where would you want to put efforts in the next year for +</I>><i> Mageia" would allow us to better see what kind of priority we should +</I>><i> have to grow the community. ( followed by discussions of "why don't you +</I>><i> do it now" that would help finding potential weak spots in the system ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This or asking directly, "why don't you work on $FOO". Users will come +</I>><i> when we have a great product ( ie, grow naturally up to a point ). And +</I>><i> product will be great with enough contribution, hence the focus on that. +</I> +This was never the goal of this poll. Why don't you start such a poll yourself? + +@ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there +where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6355">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6355">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6355">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6355">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006356.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006356.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11476eee7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006356.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4dN1Biaoo4LgWngS3a39zxXXBB4fdSeJA1F1XFyCS6fA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006355.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006360.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4dN1Biaoo4LgWngS3a39zxXXBB4fdSeJA1F1XFyCS6fA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 06:16:00 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there +</I>><i> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll. +</I> +After reading/writing mails I saw that misc gave his view in the +forum, although not the same as here. So the last line does not apply +to him. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6356">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6356">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6356">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6356">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006357.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006357.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e02e16239 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006357.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201201290734.49469.serge.moreau%40wanadoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006364.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006358.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Moreau Serge</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201201290734.49469.serge.moreau%40wanadoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">serge.moreau at wanadoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 07:34:49 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Just to mention my opinion on this poll. +I think it is useful and need to be diffuse. Evidently all points can not be +reached immediately. I am not an expert at all, but i used Mandrake, Mandriva +and Mageia for at least the last 8 years. More importantly, i tried to +convince friends to have a look at linux systems, and for some of them i +succeeded and bought with them machines which may have the more chances to run +linux successfully. +The most difficult things, they have to admit is that the wifi, the sound, the +webcam of the laptop they bought wont work. They also want to enjoy most of +internet abilities, videos, and VOIP. +However they easily admit somes advantages in term absence of virus risks, and +accept to move towards new softwares. + +That's why I think we must focus on hardware recognition and the ability to +use some nonfree codecs. An easy installer is not in that case particularly +important, and the state reached by mageia actually is good. + +smoreau +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6357">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6357">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6357">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6357">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006358.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006358.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18295f25d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006358.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Quartus%20on%20Mageia&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7Kk%2BNGwmcJkXMKZVYMPG6MHN7ObmO9bBE_ALBNxEL2D6A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006357.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006359.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia</H1> + <B>Jeff Robins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Quartus%20on%20Mageia&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHC-z7Kk%2BNGwmcJkXMKZVYMPG6MHN7ObmO9bBE_ALBNxEL2D6A%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 10:05:45 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I rebuilt libxml2 from source, 32 bit, but I still have the problem +On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, "Jeff Robins" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not +</I>><i> allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and +</I>><i> the web edition of the software is free. +</I>><i> On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, "Jeff Robins" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeffrobinssae at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Sorry, I'm using the web edition, but it shouldn't matter as far as the +</I>>><i> installation is concerned. I'll provide a full link when I get home. +</I>>><i> On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, "Florian Hubold" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins: +</I>>>><i> > Hello, +</I>>>><i> > +</I>>>><i> > I'm trying to install Altera's Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1 +</I>>>><i> Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install? +</I>>>><i> Was it <A HREF="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</A> +</I>>>><i> or <A HREF="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</A> ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120129/92ce01b5/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6358">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6358">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6358">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6358">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006359.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006359.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18a021084 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006359.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F251340.7050400%40xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006358.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006375.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Marja van Waes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F251340.7050400%40xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">marja11 at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 10:37:04 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 28/01/12 22:37, imnotpc wrote: +><i> On 01/28/2012 01:13 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> In <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1661">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1661</A> there's a +</I>>><i> poll running which lists all kinds of important features of a +</I>>><i> distribution. Unfortunately until today this poll has not received +</I>>><i> enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information +</I>>><i> about the topic. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Hi All, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm new here (a couple months) but I registered on the forum so I +</I>><i> could vote. However I agree with Antoine in that there are quite a few +</I>><i> more than 3 of those choices that are "deal breakers". My reasons for +</I>><i> coming to Mageia weren't listed specifically, so I thought this might +</I>><i> be an appropriate time and place to tell you why I use Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm a longtime Linux user (Redhat 6.2 was my first boxed set, but I +</I>><i> tried a few before that). Over those years I've used a handful of +</I>><i> distros and demoed a dozen others. I started with Redhat, then SUSE, +</I>><i> Mandrake, openSUSE, Fedora, and now Mageia. That may sound like I'm +</I>><i> fickle or hard to please, but as someone who manages a number of +</I>><i> desktops and servers I assure you there were solid reasons for each +</I>><i> switch. I'm not going to go OT with all the gory details of each +</I>><i> change, but I can sum it up in a couple points that I hope are more +</I>><i> valuable to the community that my vote on the forum. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First, why I leave a distro: This is easy to describe but probably +</I>><i> hard to accomplish. Regressions. When something that worked in the +</I>><i> last release stops working in this one, that's a problem. If it's +</I>><i> trivial to fix, then it's a small issue. If it takes days to fix or +</I>><i> can't be fixed at all it's a deal breaker. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Second, why I chose a distro: This is also easy to describe, but much +</I>><i> harder to accomplish. It needs to install cleanly. Minor things like +</I>><i> changing a checkbox during installation are no big deal. A failed +</I>><i> install or a barebones desktop with no/poor configuration tools is a +</I>><i> big deal. Also, I don't use any unusual or poorly supported software, +</I>><i> so the software that I use must be in an official repo and easy to +</I>><i> install. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Third, my humble suggestion: If I were to describe a dev/release +</I>><i> policy that was sure to make me happy it would be this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1) Zero regression policy - I know this isn't possible, but I think it +</I>><i> should be the highest priority. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2) If there will be a known regression or deprecated feature, it +</I>><i> should be announced one release prior to being effective. This would +</I>><i> give users time to adjust, find other software, or find another distro +</I>><i> if need be. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3) Stable. With Linux I consider this a given, but it needs to be +</I>><i> listed so that it doesn't get ignored. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4) Keep the community friendly and vibrant. I listed this as one of my +</I>><i> 3 choices on the survey, not because it was a deal breaker, but +</I>><i> because I think it is the strongest feature of Mageia and it would be +</I>><i> truly unfortunate to lose it. This is the most respectful and friendly +</I>><i> online community I've come across and you should all be very proud of +</I>><i> what you've done in a short time. I wish my life were different and I +</I>><i> could contribute. +</I>><i> +</I>Well, 12 hours ago you did contribute! Thanks a lot for telling about +your experiences and giving your opinion :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6359">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6359">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6359">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6359">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006360.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006360.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..93262739c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006360.html @@ -0,0 +1,195 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1327842334.2844.65.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006356.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006364.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1327842334.2844.65.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 14:05:34 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 06:11 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2012/1/28 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I> +><i> > While I appreciate Wobo efforts to get meaningful numbers, I am rather +</I>><i> > doubtful about a few things. First, the choice of questions make me +</I>><i> > wonder, since my memories tell me that for doing such kind of polls, you +</I>><i> > first need to do preliminary research to find the options. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The questions are a result of reading user's postings for quite some years. +</I> +So basically, that's "because I know that's this, based on what I +remember". But the formal methodology is a little bit more complex than +that, mainly to avoid any specific bias due to the selection by the +peson doing the poll. + +For example, the diversity of the group may be important, as well as the +cultural norms. If you focus just on forums, you focus just on a certain +type of users. Having numbers to present is also usually important to +show your result as meaningful. + +><i> > There is for example various things like : +</I>><i> > "networking out of the box", and "good hardware recognition" that are +</I>><i> > the same. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not at all. Example: my wifi hardware is recognized out of the box but +</I>><i> it is a drag to get it working. +</I> +Then why treat networking differently than any others functions like +printing ? +And what make you think that your specific issue is not linked to +hardware problem ? + +Good hardware goes beyond "the interface appear in ifconfig, therefore, +it is supported perfectly". That's usually the contrary, the whole +drakxnet/wpa_supplicant/whatever bit work for some people and not from +others, and the only stuff that change is the wifi chipset. That's +likely a hardware support issue. Main developer of Network Manager +explained that on his blog. People often tend to think that nm is +broken, while the problem is usually a bug in the driver that is +triggered by nm. + +Hence, the question do not depict exactly what should be improved, just +what some people think the problem is, without giving more informations +on exactly the problem is. The poll is not the right tool for that, the +bugzilla is ( and we are fully aware of the bugs that are reported ). + +><i> > And LTS go hand to hand with "stable as top priority" ( since LTS mean +</I>><i> > the system do not change for a long time, and usually, once enough bugs +</I>><i> > are fixed, softwares are rather stable ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not the same. +</I> +One is a consequence of the other, in my vision of a LTS ( and that's +also the vision of Canonical, which is basically the only definition we +have of LTS so far ). And as seen on Mandriva list or on the forum, LTS +mean nothing for some users, and mean different things for different +people ( ie, long term, how much is this ? support, what do it entail +exactly ? ). + +For people that see LTS as "I never reinstall and get new versions of +some stuff", there is a poll item. For those that say "I never reinstall +and system do not move", there is a poll item. + +So LTS can ( and rightfully ) be seen as a technical detail to achieve +what people want, hence the few vote ( which doesn't reflect what people +asked in others time ). + +><i> > Not to mention that a poll may give incorrect expectation to people, and +</I>><i> > usually only measure a fraction of the users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, same as elections and marketing surveys. +</I> +Except for elections, you know who you ask and how many people, and +that's to select someone, based on a large corpus of proposition, that's +rather different. + +So that's more like a marketing survey, without enough detailed +information ( like "we asked to people who are this age, this gender, +this level of skills ). We will know what some people want, but not who +they are. And without knowing who they are, we will not know if they are +the ones we want, if the survey results are biased, or what kind of bias +we should be careful of. + +For example, do we want to listen to people that are here since the +start, or not ? To people that are outside of the current community, or +those that are unsatisfied with their current distribution ? + +><i> > And more importantly, it doesn't help us on the crucial thing ( IMHO ), +</I>><i> > how to expend the contributeurs pool. +</I>><i> > I think asking "where would you want to put efforts in the next year for +</I>><i> > Mageia" would allow us to better see what kind of priority we should +</I>><i> > have to grow the community. ( followed by discussions of "why don't you +</I>><i> > do it now" that would help finding potential weak spots in the system ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This or asking directly, "why don't you work on $FOO". Users will come +</I>><i> > when we have a great product ( ie, grow naturally up to a point ). And +</I>><i> > product will be great with enough contribution, hence the focus on that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This was never the goal of this poll. +</I> +I know this is not. However, that's a poll that would be more useful, +since again, our first and foremost goal is to have contributions. +Without this, the rest will not be + +><i> Why don't you start such a poll yourself? +</I> +You mean "why don't I start a vast social engineering campaign to +recruit contributers ? " + +I already do it ( but I guess people do not see it ), but I never go to +forums. I would not like people to step on my toes on sysadmin side, so +I have the politeness of letting those that run the forums to take care +of that. + +><i> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there +</I>><i> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll. +</I> +Personally, I will continue here because the lack of thread in forum +will make hard to have a meaningful discussion. I answered to the poll, +and to the forum, but I do not think I can be as precise ( or read +"verbose") there than I am on the ml. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6360">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6360">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6360">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6360">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006361.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006361.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6af6d5917 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006361.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129140747.175b71dd%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006354.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006362.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129140747.175b71dd%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 14:07:47 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6361">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6361">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6361">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6361">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100 +Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other +</I>><i> users is your opinion. +</I> +That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback +and then tell them that you don't care about it. + +Good luck anyway, but I don't think your poll will teach you anything +meaningful. + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6361">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6361">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6361">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6361">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006362.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006362.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ae2a2175 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006362.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5LT_HxWF-YNjJ1t6jjPAQ0s1%3D7RswD8qYBAPzT7oyeyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006361.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006363.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5LT_HxWF-YNjJ1t6jjPAQ0s1%3D7RswD8qYBAPzT7oyeyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 14:15:48 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6362">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6362">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6362">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6362">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100 +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other +</I>>><i> users is your opinion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback +</I>><i> and then tell them that you don't care about it. +</I> +I asked user's feedback on their top requirements, you are talking +about the usefulness of the question. 2 different things. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6362">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6362">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6362">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6362">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006363.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006363.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..390dcf7f1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006363.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_PXSH7wcbx60-oTBJ9%3DaHiANvrQCfCmSeFWZjZAkasycQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006362.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006365.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_PXSH7wcbx60-oTBJ9%3DaHiANvrQCfCmSeFWZjZAkasycQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 14:37:32 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6363">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6363">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6363">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6363">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100 +</I>>><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other +</I>>>><i> users is your opinion. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback +</I>>><i> and then tell them that you don't care about it. +</I>Well, you told him how other users function, based on what knowledge? +You can say something about how you function, but saying something +about how most users function is a bit strange, don't you think? + +Just let us decide on our own, how we do function. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6363">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6363">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6363">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6363">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006364.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006364.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..327abc556 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006364.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6xZZjvqe%3D4HRxn8BnTbjOGZcyHbcnSo7ZK3cCYoFcxXQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006360.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006357.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6xZZjvqe%3D4HRxn8BnTbjOGZcyHbcnSo7ZK3cCYoFcxXQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 14:38:39 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6364">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6364">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6364">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6364">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>>><i> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there +</I>>><i> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally, I will continue here because the lack of thread in forum +</I>><i> will make hard to have a meaningful discussion. +</I> +What do you mean by that? Combined with the poll is a discussion +thread and you are welcome to share your thoughts like the other +participants. + +><i> and to the forum, but I do not think I can be as precise ( or read +</I>><i> "verbose") there than I am on the ml. +</I> +Why not? precise !=verbose. + +Anyhow, posting the poll in the forum led to the feedback I was out +for. Posting it here led to a discussion about the poll itself - see +the difference? +I was never out for a professional analysis of the user's requirements +- just an impression of what Mageia users are thinking when they look +at Linux distributions. If I had wanted a professional and technical +analysis I would have asked elsewhere, not in the forum and not here, +I know the needs of a professional poll/survey + +Well, this is not leading anywhere at all. Participate or not, your +decision. Start a poll you see as more important or not. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6364">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6364">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6364">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6364">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006365.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006365.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..10654a38b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006365.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129160605.44ef6710%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006363.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006366.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129160605.44ef6710%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 16:06:05 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6365">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6365">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6365">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6365">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:37:32 +0100 +Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> 2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +</I>><i> >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100 +</I>><i> >> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> >> wrote: +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other +</I>><i> >>> users is your opinion. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback +</I>><i> >> and then tell them that you don't care about it. +</I>><i> Well, you told him how other users function, based on what knowledge? +</I>><i> You can say something about how you function, but saying something +</I>><i> about how most users function is a bit strange, don't you think? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just let us decide on our own, how we do function. +</I> +Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to +represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than +anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-) + + +I would also point out that the listed requirements will have varying +importances depending on the software and the use case. For example, a +crashy basesystem or X server is very much a critical issue. On the +other hand, I personally don't care if KDE is crashy since I don't use +it. And even for some applications that I use (e.g. Brasero), I can use +an alternative if it's not reliable enough. + +Similarly, I may want the latest version of a piece of software because +it has some important feature or improvement (e.g. performance +improvement). On the other hand I won't care about the latest Evolution +version because the current one has all I need. So "I want the latest +software" is not something I can either agree or disagree with: it's +simply too vague. + +etc., etc. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6365">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6365">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6365">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6365">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006366.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006366.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..be2aa44f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006366.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_OzhfupDZqG-XpfHf8dnq776mq2%2BcdwdhSjAoDudQ7rDA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006365.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006367.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_OzhfupDZqG-XpfHf8dnq776mq2%2BcdwdhSjAoDudQ7rDA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 16:37:18 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6366">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6366">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6366">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6366">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to +</I>><i> represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than +</I>><i> anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-) +</I>You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them? + +After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me, +I cite you: +"Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +and I don't think it's how most users function either." + +So read your own mail, before answering, will you? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6366">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6366">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6366">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6366">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006367.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006367.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..258e5c6e7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006367.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129171626.418554ef%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006366.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006368.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129171626.418554ef%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 17:16:26 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6367">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6367">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6367">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6367">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:18 +0100 +Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +</I>><i> > Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to +</I>><i> > represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than +</I>><i> > anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-) +</I>><i> You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me, +</I>><i> I cite you: +</I>><i> "Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +</I>><i> and I don't think it's how most users function either." +</I> +Wow... +Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users", +and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge +you're talking about? + +But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead +of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message +you're responding to). I'm not here to pick pointless fights with +random people, I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give +feedback. If you don't want that then please be explicit about it. +As far as I'm concerned, I gave feedback because I thought it could +help; I don't have any emotional investment here. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6367">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6367">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6367">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6367">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006368.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006368.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eaef489b8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006368.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_MGfH5KcBZ5kJ-hqoszL0%3DdqYYrb1EODLm%2BA7rYz2%3Dfyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006367.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006370.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCALK7e_MGfH5KcBZ5kJ-hqoszL0%3DdqYYrb1EODLm%2BA7rYz2%3Dfyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 17:44:46 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6368">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6368">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6368">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6368">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users", +</I>><i> and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge +</I>><i> you're talking about? +</I>Now calm down, will you? +Fact 1: You did write about "most" users. +Fact 2: I asked you to let us (1) decide on our own how we do function. +Fact 3: You claim, I wanted in some way to represent all users or +decide something for them. +Fact 4: I was just reacting to those strange facts + +(1) "us" as in "we are all users" and if I ask you to let "us" decide +anything "on our own", then I do mean, everyone has the right to +decide that for himself and he or she doesn't need anyone, who even +thinks he knows it in advance. + +><i> But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead +</I>><i> of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message +</I>><i> you're responding to). I'm not here to pick pointless fights with +</I>><i> random people, I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give +</I>><i> feedback. If you don't want that then please be explicit about it. +</I>><i> As far as I'm concerned, I gave feedback because I thought it could +</I>><i> help; I don't have any emotional investment here. +</I>I didn't attack anything, I was just making it clear, that I did not +have the intent to decide anything for anyone. Something you implied +about me. + +About the poll in general and the other points raised here: +First I did take part in it, although the points here are valid. +It is not really fine-grained and some of the points wobo set there as +possible answers do indeed overlap and others are missing completely. +And sure: nobody did any kind of market analysis to know, what questions to ask. + +And yes, no poll like this can be representative in any way, actually +it is totally unrepresentative, but it can give us ideas non the less. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6368">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6368">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6368">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6368">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006369.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006369.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2c3115ca7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006369.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5i18WTJY2eUONgTgnePVqWto0XZ1LR1j9kyR11UiABow%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006377.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006355.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5i18WTJY2eUONgTgnePVqWto0XZ1LR1j9kyR11UiABow%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 17:46:53 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6369">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6369">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6369">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6369">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:18 +0100 +</I>><i> Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> > Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to +</I>>><i> > represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than +</I>>><i> > anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-) +</I>>><i> You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me, +</I>>><i> I cite you: +</I>>><i> "Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function, +</I>>><i> and I don't think it's how most users function either." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Wow... +</I>><i> Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users", +</I>><i> and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge +</I>><i> you're talking about? +</I> +In my English you say "I understand how users function and I don't +think this is the way.", but of course English is not my native +language and it may be you wanted to say something different. + +><i> But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead +</I>><i> of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message +</I>><i> you're responding to). +</I> +IMHO Oliver is free to decide what he comments on and what not. Could +be that he is not interested to enter this discussion, could be that +he has a different opinon than you but does not waste his time, could +be.... + +><i> I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give +</I>><i> feedback. +</I> +No, you were invited to give feedback by participating in the poll. +Probably you did that as well, I don't know, but here you did not give +feedback to the topic, you commented on the poll and the options - +which is certainly ok by me. But it's something else. + +As I already wrote, to me it makes no sense to continue this discussion. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6369">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6369">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6369">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6369">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006370.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006370.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..309f1e267 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006370.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5L4QHaD89Sx0tnoAvbAc-0r185LdsJ%2BFKNpqrRf37BOw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006368.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006371.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj5L4QHaD89Sx0tnoAvbAc-0r185LdsJ%2BFKNpqrRf37BOw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 17:57:47 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6370">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6370">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6370">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6370">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> About the poll in general and the other points raised here: +</I>><i> First I did take part in it, although the points here are valid. +</I>><i> It is not really fine-grained and some of the points wobo set there as +</I>><i> possible answers do indeed overlap and others are missing completely. +</I>><i> And sure: nobody did any kind of market analysis to know, what questions to ask. +</I> +It was not fine grained as I would do a poll here or in the packagers +list or similar. It was taken from forum posts of users over a long +time. +Of course some options overlap, for ex: "LTS" and "stable" - how do +you know that users voting for "stable" will also vote for "LTS"? Same +with other seemingly overlapping options. + +><i> And yes, no poll like this can be representative in any way, actually +</I>><i> it is totally unrepresentative, but it can give us ideas non the less. +</I> +Actually you are the first one here who understands this. It was never +meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of +user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide +to somewhere. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6370">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6370">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6370">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6370">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006371.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006371.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..07c21fbf0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006371.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1327861569.2844.69.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006370.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006372.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1327861569.2844.69.camel%40liliana.cdg.redhat.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 19:26:09 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6371">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6371">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6371">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6371">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 17:57 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> It was never +</I>><i> meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of +</I>><i> user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide +</I>><i> to somewhere. +</I> +Then I fail to understand the goal, especially since you started by : +"Unfortunately until today this poll has not received +enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information +about the topic." + +Can you explain more clearly what did you want to achieve ? + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6371">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6371">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6371">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6371">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006372.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006372.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..86da014eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006372.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4oqW5-38W4v5qau4vpPGPGLiLf0mZQ1Mkn-L0cBt_hFA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006371.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006373.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4oqW5-38W4v5qau4vpPGPGLiLf0mZQ1Mkn-L0cBt_hFA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 20:54:06 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6372">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6372">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6372">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6372">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 17:57 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> It was never +</I>>><i> meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of +</I>>><i> user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide +</I>>><i> to somewhere. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then I fail to understand the goal, especially since you started by : +</I>><i> "Unfortunately until today this poll has not received +</I>><i> enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information +</I>><i> about the topic." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Can you explain more clearly what did you want to achieve ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I> +Well, I explained it several times, pls excuse me if it wasn't clear +enough for you. + +1. The poll is based on average user's postings over several years - +you often read things like "I don't want that distribution because it +does not....". So the goal was to put all these points into a list and +let those same average users name what a distribution MUST have to +become/stay their distribution. I stressed the point that I'm looking +for functions, not single packages. + +2. If a resonable number of people (100-150, that's more than the +active number of forum users) would have voted I could list the +options, ordered by percentage of votes to give an impression of the +distribution seen from the user side. Not more, no less. This +impression may add to all other sources of information for those who +actually work on the distribution. + +Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to +explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things +from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6372">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6372">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6372">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6372">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006373.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006373.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b07861354 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006373.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129202927.GA6138%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006372.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006374.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129202927.GA6138%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 21:29:27 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6373">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6373">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6373">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6373">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:54:06PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to +</I>><i> explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things +</I>><i> from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?). +</I> +I have not been responding, but if you think that is how people are +responding, I suggest to re-read some of the messages. + +People have been given feedback that the setup of the poll results in it +not being useful. Various reasons for this have been given. + +IMO, don't ask people what they want, give them what they didn't know +they wanted. + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6373">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6373">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6373">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6373">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006374.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006374.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f2ecc8855 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006374.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6vdWJnpbkSFgZcSmnFJaOuNUG8Q%2BruxjS_Rh6GYyH8%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006373.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006376.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6vdWJnpbkSFgZcSmnFJaOuNUG8Q%2BruxjS_Rh6GYyH8%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 21:45:25 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6374">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6374">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6374">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6374">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/1/29 Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>>: +><i> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:54:06PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to +</I>>><i> explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things +</I>>><i> from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have not been responding, but if you think that is how people are +</I>><i> responding, I suggest to re-read some of the messages. +</I> +I only meant misc with the last remark. + +><i> People have been given feedback that the setup of the poll results in it +</I>><i> not being useful. Various reasons for this have been given. +</I> +Yes, valid reasons from their point of view and under different +circumstances. Very early in the thread I wrote that this is not a +professional survey with preliminary researxh, defined collection of +users, etc., etc., so all those reasons which are correct in a +professional environment do not apply here in the same way. + +><i> IMO, don't ask people what they want, give them what they didn't know +</I>><i> they wanted. +</I> +Yes, from a marketing point of view of a company who produce consumer +goods you are quite right. As you may have seen, there is enough room +for inventions - I did not ask for favorite packages of backgrounds, I +asked for features. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6374">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6374">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6374">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6374">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006375.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006375.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b8b479837 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006375.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Install + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Install&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25B25A.4090203%40arcor.de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006359.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006378.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Install</H1> + <B>Florian Hubold</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Install&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25B25A.4090203%40arcor.de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Install">doktor5000 at arcor.de + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 21:55:54 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6375">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6375">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6375">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6375">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Am 28.01.2012 23:08, schrieb Gary Montalbine: +><i> On 01/24/2012 01:24 PM, Florian Hubold wrote: +</I>>><i> Am 24.01.2012 16:41, schrieb Gary Montalbine: +</I>><i> +</I>>>>><i> What was the particular install problem you encountered? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> My purchase order has Galaxy GT430R. The driver is from nvidia and listed as +</I>>>><i> Geforce 400 series. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The kde desktop had no icons, incomplete toolbar at the bottom. Apparently +</I>>>><i> the approbriate files in my /home were not used. I also had this problem in +</I>>>><i> ML2010.2 and found and installed the nvidia driver. Problem corrected. I ran +</I>>>><i> the nvidia driver in init 3 and then went to kde and everything was restored +</I>>>><i> and looks good. I had also renamed .kde so I had a fresh kde file. Maybe +</I>>>><i> this particular card is not supported. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The only reason I mentioned this was because I thought a couple of other +</I>>>><i> people had remarked about galaxy cards. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Gary +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Particular model of the card should not matter. What matters is that you +</I>>><i> renamed +</I>>><i> your ~/.kde4/. I've not heard yet of any problem with galaxy cards, or any of +</I>>><i> the nvidia cards which use the 270series drivers (nvidia-current), which covers +</I>>><i> basically +</I>>><i> anything from Geforce 6100 up to Geforce GT590X. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I installed the updated kernel-server today. I was unable to get into kde. +</I>><i> The reboot took me to init 3. I tried startx and got errors. I had to remove +</I>><i> the kernel. This might be a good time to see if my graphics card is +</I>><i> supported. If I reinstall the kernel-server it will take me to init 3. Can I +</I>><i> use XFdrake at this point to install the proper nvidia drivers? And then +</I>><i> startx to go into kde? +</I>><i> Gary +</I>><i> +</I>Probably because you didn't install kernel-servel-devel package which is needed +for dksm to successfully rebuild the nvidia driver for the new kernel. So you +should +install kernel-server-latest and kernel-server-devel-latest to ensure you +always have +the latest server kernel and the corresponding -devel package. Then just run +drakx11 to setup the nvidia, if still needed. IIRC, you need to reboot then. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6375">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6375">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6375">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6375">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006376.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006376.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6cf8761a5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006376.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129210658.GD6138%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006374.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006377.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Olav Vitters</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20120129210658.GD6138%40bkor.dhs.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">olav at vitters.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 22:06:58 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6376">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6376">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6376">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6376">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:45:25PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Yes, valid reasons from their point of view and under different +</I>><i> circumstances. Very early in the thread I wrote that this is not a +</I>><i> professional survey with preliminary researxh, defined collection of +</I>><i> users, etc., etc., so all those reasons which are correct in a +</I>><i> professional environment do not apply here in the same way. +</I> +If the result doesn't matter, and you ignore the feedback (thus +cooperation) from developers, then I don't get the goal of such a poll. +The only point is curiosity what some Mageia users say they want? + +FWIW, I'd love to have clear feedback on some relatively easy things to +focus upon. This can be just from people on the mailing list instead of +all users. But although I am willing to look to make things easier for +the people who responded, I don't see anything that I can use. + +To take a positive approach: +- I want to improve Mageia +- would it be possible to turn this into something concrete contributors + can act upon? + +-- +Regards, +Olav +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6376">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6376">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6376">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6376">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006377.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006377.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c03e6ea3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006377.html @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25BC3E.3020809%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006376.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="006369.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BPoll%5D%20What%20are%20your%20top%20requirements%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25BC3E.3020809%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 22:38:06 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6377">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6377">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6377">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6377">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>How about suspending this discussion? Looking at the results, I am +surprised about the clear language they speak. + +It is now time that Wobo digests the result of the poll into his report: +that is where the discussion should resume - gives time to sharpen the +knifes! +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6377">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6377">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6377">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6377">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006378.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006378.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e829494f0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/006378.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Install + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Install&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25C3D0.3010507%40cox.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="006375.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Install</H1> + <B>Gary Montalbine</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Install&In-Reply-To=%3C4F25C3D0.3010507%40cox.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Install">gmontalbine at cox.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6378">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6378">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6378">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6378">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +On 01/29/2012 03:55 PM, Florian Hubold wrote: +><i> Am 28.01.2012 23:08, schrieb Gary Montalbine: +</I>>><i> On 01/24/2012 01:24 PM, Florian Hubold wrote: +</I>>>><i> Am 24.01.2012 16:41, schrieb Gary Montalbine: +</I> +>><i> I installed the updated kernel-server today. I was unable to get into kde. +</I>>><i> The reboot took me to init 3. I tried startx and got errors. I had to remove +</I>>><i> the kernel. This might be a good time to see if my graphics card is +</I>>><i> supported. If I reinstall the kernel-server it will take me to init 3. Can I +</I>>><i> use XFdrake at this point to install the proper nvidia drivers? And then +</I>>><i> startx to go into kde? +</I>>><i> Gary +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Probably because you didn't install kernel-servel-devel package which is needed +</I>><i> for dksm to successfully rebuild the nvidia driver for the new kernel. So you +</I>><i> should +</I>><i> install kernel-server-latest and kernel-server-devel-latest to ensure you +</I>><i> always have +</I>><i> the latest server kernel and the corresponding -devel package. Then just run +</I>><i> drakx11 to setup the nvidia, if still needed. IIRC, you need to reboot then. +</I>><i> +</I>I reinstalled the kernel-server latest and kernel-server-devel and then +used MCC to install the proprietary driver. It now works. + +Thanks, Gary +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6378">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6378">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6378">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6378">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eaa2f33cb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,172 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 29 January 2012 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>29 January 2012 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 06:03:28 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 25<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6354"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6355"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6356"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6362"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6364"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6369"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6370"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6372"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? 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+</A><A NAME="6370"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6371"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6372"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6373"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6374"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A><A NAME="6375"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6376"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6377"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A><A NAME="6378"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:33 CET 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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+</A><A NAME="6354"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6355"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6356"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006357.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6357"> </A> +<I>Moreau Serge +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006359.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6359"> </A> +<I>Marja van Waes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6360"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006361.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6361"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006362.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6362"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006363.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6363"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006364.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6364"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006365.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6365"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006366.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6366"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6367"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6368"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6369"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6370"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6371"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006372.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6372"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006373.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6373"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006374.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6374"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6376"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6377"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A><A NAME="6375"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install +</A><A NAME="6378"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="006358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia +</A><A NAME="6358"> </A> +<I>Jeff Robins +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:33 CET 2012</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..48a421671 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20120129/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,209 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 29 January 2012 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>29 January 2012 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 06:03:28 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 25<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01327813408- --> +<LI><A HREF="006354.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? 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+</A><A NAME="6366"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786- --> +<LI><A HREF="006367.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6367"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786-01327855486- --> +<LI><A HREF="006368.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6368"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786-01327855486-01327856267- --> +<LI><A HREF="006370.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6370"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786-01327855486-01327856267-01327861569- --> +<LI><A HREF="006371.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? 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+</A><A NAME="6376"> </A> +<I>Olav Vitters +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786-01327855486-01327856267-01327861569-01327866846-01327868967-01327869925-01327871218-01327873086- --> +<LI><A HREF="006377.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6377"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--3 01327813408-01327842467-01327842948-01327844252-01327849565-01327851438-01327853786-01327855613- --> +<LI><A HREF="006369.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6369"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01327813909- --> +<LI><A HREF="006355.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6355"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01327813909-01327814160- --> +<LI><A HREF="006356.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? +</A><A NAME="6356"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--1 01327813909-01327842334- --> +<LI><A HREF="006360.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements? 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