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+ <B>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mouse%20and%20touchpad&In-Reply-To=%3CCAF0Y%2BA9PO8SaAKrLY0S4H1hKWwM_LT6sKzRi57JwOrLBYKsU1Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Hi.
+
+I have 2 problems.
+1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down
+(when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in
+the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?
+2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves
+the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from
+the touchpad, they are part of it.
+
+My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310
+
+Thanks for any help
+
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+ <B>Luca Olivetti</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20How%20to%20mount%20NTFS%20partitions%20at%20boot%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C50B9FC11.80905%40ventoso.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?">luca at ventoso.org
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+<PRE>Al 30/11/12 16:58, En/na Pierre Jarillon ha escrit:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 30 novembre 2012 14:53:44, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fredagen den 30 november 2012 12.11.17 skrev Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In my 10+ years of Linux I've gone the upgrade path 3 times - and each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time I've spent significant time trying to sort out the mess then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doing a clean install anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Abut the same experience here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fully agree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Keeping ~/.xxxx files can give unexpected behaviours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use the attached script
+</I>&gt;<i> - before a new installation
+</I>&gt;<i> - or after an installation, just before the first graphical session.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This could be included in the install process just before formating /
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>
+I prefer an upgrade over a clean install because I don't want to reconfigure everything.
+If I have to reconfigure everything I could as well do a clean install.
+
+Bye
+--
+Luca
+
+
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+ <B>TJ</B>
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+<PRE>On 12/01/2012 07:46 AM, Luca Olivetti wrote:
+&gt;<i> Al 30/11/12 16:58, En/na Pierre Jarillon ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 30 novembre 2012 14:53:44, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fredagen den 30 november 2012 12.11.17 skrev Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In my 10+ years of Linux I've gone the upgrade path 3 times - and each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time I've spent significant time trying to sort out the mess then
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> doing a clean install anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Abut the same experience here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I fully agree.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Keeping ~/.xxxx files can give unexpected behaviours.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use the attached script
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - before a new installation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - or after an installation, just before the first graphical session.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This could be included in the install process just before formating /
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer an upgrade over a clean install because I don't want to reconfigure everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> If I have to reconfigure everything I could as well do a clean install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Again, it's a matter of personal preference, but I'd much prefer to
+&quot;reconfigure everything&quot; than having to track down some obscure conflict
+not anticipated by the developers.
+
+Not to mention that when there's a major change I like to try the new
+interface/configuration out for a while. Sometimes, not often I admit, I
+like the new better than the old.
+
+TJ
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+ <B>Alejandro L&#243;pez</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">wisniewski.bm at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have 2 problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down
+</I>&gt;<i> (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves
+</I>&gt;<i> the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from
+</I>&gt;<i> the touchpad, they are part of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The solution I found for an Asus computer is to slightly touch (not
+pressing) the pad with one finger for left click, and with two finger for
+the right click. Maybe it'll work for you too.
+
+Alejandro.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for any help
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bartek
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have 2 problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page
+</I>&gt;<i> up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any
+</I>&gt;<i> place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust
+</I>&gt;<i> this setting?
+</I>
+[..]
+
+&gt;<i> My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for any help
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bartek
+</I>
+If you use KDE, in Systemsettings &gt; Input Devices &gt; Mouse &gt; Advanced
+tab, there is &quot;Mouse wheel scrolls by&quot; with a combo box selection.
+
+In Seamonkey Advanced preferences, there is a configuration for mouse
+wheel behavior. ISTR a setting in an application that included
+scrolling by on the order of a page but can't find it, atm.
+Rolf
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+03-12-2012 12:42, &quot;Rolf Pedersen&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rolfpedersen at mindspring.com</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+
+&gt;<i> On 11/30/2012 06:54 PM, Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have 2 problems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this setting?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [..]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for any help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bartek
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you use KDE, in Systemsettings &gt; Input Devices &gt; Mouse &gt; Advanced tab,
+</I>&gt;<i> there is &quot;Mouse wheel scrolls by&quot; with a combo box selection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In Seamonkey Advanced preferences, there is a configuration for mouse
+</I>&gt;<i> wheel behavior. ISTR a setting in an application that included scrolling
+</I>&gt;<i> by on the order of a page but can't find it, atm.
+</I>&gt;<i> Rolf
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>I have searched a long time the name of an applet which was installed on mga1,
+which was now and then in the pre-releases of Mageia 2
+and I wanted the same on Mageia 3. With the DVD, it was not present but after
+installing the CD dual-arch on a i-586 and installed some meta-packages I have
+found it. The difficulty was to know its name...
+
+As my installation is in french, I can read &quot;Afficheur de charge syst&#232;me&quot;. But
+it does not appear as a process and nothing gives its name.
+It should be useful in the &quot;applet configuration&quot; to show the name of the
+applet which seems to be a secret.
+May I write a new bug report for the secret name?
+
+I have found a related problem: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290</A>
+
+--
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> I have searched a long time the name of an applet which was installed on mga1,
+</I>&gt;<i> which was now and then in the pre-releases of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> and I wanted the same on Mageia 3. With the DVD, it was not present but after
+</I>&gt;<i> installing the CD dual-arch on a i-586 and installed some meta-packages I have
+</I>&gt;<i> found it. The difficulty was to know its name...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As my installation is in french, I can read &quot;Afficheur de charge syst&#232;me&quot;. But
+</I>&gt;<i> it does not appear as a process and nothing gives its name.
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be useful in the &quot;applet configuration&quot; to show the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> applet which seems to be a secret.
+</I>&gt;<i> May I write a new bug report for the secret name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have found a related problem: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>$ grep -rn &quot;Afficheur de charge syst&#232;me&quot; /usr/share/kde4/services
+/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop:17:Name[fr]=Afficheur
+de charge syst&#232;me
+$ urpmf /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop
+plasma-applet-systemloadviewer:/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop
+
+--
+Sander
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 08:59:17, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 04.12.2012 01:10, Pierre Jarillon kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have searched a long time the name of an applet which was installed on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mga1, which was now and then in the pre-releases of Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I wanted the same on Mageia 3. With the DVD, it was not present but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after installing the CD dual-arch on a i-586 and installed some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; meta-packages I have found it. The difficulty was to know its name...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As my installation is in french, I can read &quot;Afficheur de charge
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; syst&#232;me&quot;. But it does not appear as a process and nothing gives its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It should be useful in the &quot;applet configuration&quot; to show the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; applet which seems to be a secret.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; May I write a new bug report for the secret name?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have found a related problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8290</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ grep -rn &quot;Afficheur de charge syst&#232;me&quot; /usr/share/kde4/services
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop:17:Name[fr]
+</I>&gt;<i> =Afficheur de charge syst&#232;me
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf /usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-systemloadviewer.desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> plasma-applet-systemloadviewer:/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-syste
+</I>&gt;<i> mloadviewer.desktop
+</I>
+Yes, you succed to find the name but Mageia must be an easy distro!
+When installing an applet, The author and the web site are displayed, why not
+the original name of the applet?
+Each applet has a configurator. The name of the applet must appear in the
+general panel.
+
+
+--
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 13:58:56 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 08:59:17, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> Yes, you succed to find the name but Mageia must be an easy distro!
+</I>&gt;<i> When installing an applet, The author and the web site are displayed, why
+</I>&gt;<i> not the original name of the applet?
+</I>&gt;<i> Each applet has a configurator. The name of the applet must appear in the
+</I>&gt;<i> general panel.
+</I>So you need here to open a bug report upstream.
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 23:18:07, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 13:58:56 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 08:59:17, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, you succed to find the name but Mageia must be an easy distro!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When installing an applet, The author and the web site are displayed, why
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not the original name of the applet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Each applet has a configurator. The name of the applet must appear in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; general panel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you need here to open a bug report upstream.
+</I>
+Done: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303</A>
+
+May be an upstream bug to KDE ?
+
+--
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 23:18:07, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 13:58:56 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 08:59:17, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, you succed to find the name but Mageia must be an easy distro!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; When installing an applet, The author and the web site are displayed, why
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; not the original name of the applet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Each applet has a configurator. The name of the applet must appear in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; general panel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So you need here to open a bug report upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May be an upstream bug to KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
+</I>
+Yes, that was what was stated by mikala.
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+&gt;<i> On 5 December 2012 00:26, Pierre Jarillon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jarillon at abul.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 23:18:07, Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 13:58:56 Pierre Jarillon a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Le mardi 4 d&#233;cembre 2012 08:59:17, Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, you succed to find the name but Mageia must be an easy distro!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; When installing an applet, The author and the web site are displayed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; why not the original name of the applet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Each applet has a configurator. The name of the applet must appear in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; the general panel.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So you need here to open a bug report upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Done: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8303</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; May be an upstream bug to KDE ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pierre Jarillon - <A HREF="http://pjarillon.free.fr/">http://pjarillon.free.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that was what was stated by mikala.
+</I>
+I have also wondered about the same issue
+I see you have now made an upstream bug and linked to and from your mga bug.
+-Perfect!
+Well done, Pierre :)
+
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+ <I>Thu Dec 6 18:27:20 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 17:13 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> On my husband's laptop, scrolling the mouse affects the sound/volume,
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of scrolling the page. I'm completely at a loss as to how
+</I>&gt;<i> this has happened or how to fix it. Ideas?
+</I>
+Is your husband using Gnome or some other environment? (and if so,
+which?)
+
+Which Mageia release?
+
+Does it happen with the scrollwheel only or also when clicking on
+scrollbars? Or when moving the mouse not clicking on anything? All the
+time or only sometimes? In one application/program or all of them?
+
+Is your husband wearing shoes? Static electricity can cause problems
+sometimes. Is it a wireless mouse?
+
+It is expected that when the volume control gnome applet has focus, so
+that the volume slider is shown, the mouse wheel will change the volume.
+
+Is there something he might have configured in a articular program he
+uses (e.g. a Web browser) or, if it's all programs, the desktop? For
+example, did he recently enable accessibility options?
+
+It's rather hard to guess from your mail message but maybe these
+questions will help you diagnose things.
+
+Liam
+
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 06/12/12 17:27, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 17:13 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On my husband's laptop, scrolling the mouse affects the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sound/volume, instead of scrolling the page. I'm completely at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a loss as to how this has happened or how to fix it. Ideas?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is your husband using Gnome or some other environment? (and if so,
+</I>&gt;<i> which?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which Mageia release?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it happen with the scrollwheel only or also when clicking on
+</I>&gt;<i> scrollbars? Or when moving the mouse not clicking on anything? All
+</I>&gt;<i> the time or only sometimes? In one application/program or all of
+</I>&gt;<i> them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is your husband wearing shoes? Static electricity can cause
+</I>&gt;<i> problems sometimes. Is it a wireless mouse?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is expected that when the volume control gnome applet has
+</I>&gt;<i> focus, so that the volume slider is shown, the mouse wheel will
+</I>&gt;<i> change the volume.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there something he might have configured in a articular program
+</I>&gt;<i> he uses (e.g. a Web browser) or, if it's all programs, the
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop? For example, did he recently enable accessibility
+</I>&gt;<i> options?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's rather hard to guess from your mail message but maybe these
+</I>&gt;<i> questions will help you diagnose things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the reply. Yes, it gives me some pointers.
+
+He uses KDE on Mageia 1 - which I hope to change to Mageia 2 next week.
+ It's a wireless mouse, and I can't think of anything that I would have
+configured (he doesn't configure anything) that would affect this. As
+far as I can recall, he's been in Firefox when I've seen it - but he
+uses so few apps that I rarely see anything else, so I'm not sure
+whether other things are affected.
+
+My current plan is to install M2 during the coming week. If the
+behaviour is still apparent, I'll go through everything in
+systemsettings, and then in MCC if I still haven't found anything.
+
+ISTR that accessibility settings are sometimes easily switched on by
+slow-key access, and that is definitely one thing I should check.
+
+Thanks again for the suggestions - at least I have some starting
+points now.
+
+Anne
+- --
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+Hi everyone,
+
+Docteam is getting on fine with the help for the Mageia Control Center.
+
+However, we don't have all knowledge, so there is still some
+information missing and you might find parts that are unclear or
+incomplete.
+
+Please have a look here
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html</A>
+
+and comment if there is anything you think needs to be improved.
+
+Thanks,
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?">jarillon at abul.org
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 7 d&#233;cembre 2012 20:32:04, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Please have a look here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html</A>
+</I>
+This is not a clean text but some ideas...
+
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html</A>
+
+Network printer
+This is too light: When use HP JetDirect? ipp,? https? etc.
+&quot;Find network printer&quot; does not work at my home . If it does not work,
+explain what to do, such as set up an IP address for the printer, ether fixed
+in the printer or better in the dhcp server, attaching an IP to the MAC
+address of the printer.
+
+
+Hewlett-Packard printers
+A word about the multifunctions printer/scanner. The scanner is setup with the
+printer. Run HP device manager or run hp-setup as root in a terminal.
+If you buy a new HP printer which is not in the list, you can use the nearest
+printer reference. It generally works well but sometime, the scanner cannot
+works.
+You can have a look to <A HREF="http://openprinting.org">http://openprinting.org</A> , search in
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro</A>
+and help to find a solution
+
+
+
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html</A>
+
+Note: In case of problems, Vesa will work with most of graphic cards, ...
+If Vesa don't work, boot in single user mode and run drakx11
+The mode which works in any case is the frame buffer (fbdev). It is used during
+the installation. Then, reboot in a graphic mode and use MCC/XFdrake to
+install the best driver.
+
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html</A>
+
+HP multifunction printer/scanner are installed with the printer installer.
+To use the scanner with Gimp, you need the package xsane-gimp.
+
+
+--
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 11:48 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> He uses KDE on Mageia 1 - which I hope to change to Mageia 2 next week.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a wireless mouse, and I can't think of anything that I would have
+</I>&gt;<i> configured (he doesn't configure anything) that would affect this.
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483818">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483818</A>
+had someone else with a similar problem - they took out the batteries
+from the wireless mouse for a while.
+
+In general, including more information with questions makes it a lot
+easier for people to try and answer...
+
+Liam
+
+--
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+ <B>Marja van Waes</B>
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+On 08/12/12 00:26, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 7 d&#233;cembre 2012 20:32:04, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please have a look here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not a clean text but some ideas...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Network printer This is too light: When use HP JetDirect? ipp,?
+</I>&gt;<i> https? etc. &quot;Find network printer&quot; does not work at my home . If it
+</I>&gt;<i> does not work, explain what to do, such as set up an IP address for
+</I>&gt;<i> the printer, ether fixed in the printer or better in the dhcp
+</I>&gt;<i> server, attaching an IP to the MAC address of the printer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hewlett-Packard printers A word about the multifunctions
+</I>&gt;<i> printer/scanner. The scanner is setup with the printer. Run HP
+</I>&gt;<i> device manager or run hp-setup as root in a terminal. If you buy a
+</I>&gt;<i> new HP printer which is not in the list, you can use the nearest
+</I>&gt;<i> printer reference. It generally works well but sometime, the
+</I>&gt;<i> scanner cannot works. You can have a look to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://openprinting.org">http://openprinting.org</A> , search in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>and help to find a solution
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note: In case of problems, Vesa will work with most of graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> cards, ... If Vesa don't work, boot in single user mode and run
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx11 The mode which works in any case is the frame buffer
+</I>&gt;<i> (fbdev). It is used during the installation. Then, reboot in a
+</I>&gt;<i> graphic mode and use MCC/XFdrake to install the best driver.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HP multifunction printer/scanner are installed with the printer
+</I>&gt;<i> installer. To use the scanner with Gimp, you need the package
+</I>&gt;<i> xsane-gimp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks a lot for your help, Pierre.
+
+I started working on system-config-printer.html and we'll look at the
+other files, too.
+
+It might take some time though, I don't really have a lot of time today.
+
+Also, I'm not sure &quot;Find Network Printer&quot; /ever/ returns a result if
+you don't start with giving the relevant IP address. Do you happen to
+know?
+
+You can already see some changes in
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html#network">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html#network</A>
+but they haven't been saved permanently yet.
+
+Cheers,
+Marja
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 08/12/12 04:12, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 11:48 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He uses KDE on Mageia 1 - which I hope to change to Mageia 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> next week. It's a wireless mouse, and I can't think of anything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that I would have configured (he doesn't configure anything) that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would affect this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483818">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483818</A> had someone else
+</I>&gt;<i> with a similar problem - they took out the batteries from the
+</I>&gt;<i> wireless mouse for a while.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How strange! He does switch the mouse off when shutting down, but I
+guess there is possibly some residual. Anyway, worth a try.
+
+&gt;<i> In general, including more information with questions makes it a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot easier for people to try and answer...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course. I do appreciate that, but frankly in this case I had no
+idea where to start, so no inkling of what info would be useful.
+Where I do have some idea of the problem I can give info, but in cases
+like this, I'm completely stuck. I try not to ask if I can solve the
+problem myself :-)
+
+Anne
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+On 08/12/12 12:11, Marja van Waes wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/12/12 00:26, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 7 d&#233;cembre 2012 20:32:04, Marja van Waes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please have a look here
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/index.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not a clean text but some ideas...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Network printer This is too light: When use HP JetDirect? ipp,?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> https? etc. &quot;Find network printer&quot; does not work at my home . If
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it does not work, explain what to do, such as set up an IP
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> address for the printer, ether fixed in the printer or better in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the dhcp server, attaching an IP to the MAC address of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> printer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I didn't get as far as I wanted with the printer page, I did adjust
+<A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html#network_printer">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/system-config-printer.html#network_printer</A>
+with the above in mind, but didn't do anything with what is below, yet.
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hewlett-Packard printers A word about the multifunctions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> printer/scanner. The scanner is setup with the printer. Run HP
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> device manager or run hp-setup as root in a terminal.
+</I>
+@ Docteam members with Calenco access
+
+If anyone has a HP multifunction printer, can you write a few lines
+about this, or maybe write the scanner page?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If you buy a new HP printer which is not in the list, you can use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the nearest printer reference.
+</I>
+I've seen that to work with printers of other brands as well, but I'm
+not sure we should advise to try that
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> It generally works well but sometime, the scanner cannot works.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can have a look to <A HREF="http://openprinting.org">http://openprinting.org</A> , search in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro">http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>Ah, I would not have thought about adding that link to the page about
+scanners, but for scanners that are part of a printer it makes sense :).
+
+I hope someone with a real scanner (part of a printer or not) will
+write that page soon.
+
+Or does &quot;set up scanner&quot; now stand for &quot;set up scanner or webcam&quot;? I
+saw the webcam of my laptop was detected as available scanner, but I
+didn't try to set it up with scannerdrake
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/XFdrake.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note: In case of problems, Vesa will work with most of graphic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cards, ... If Vesa don't work, boot in single user mode and run
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakx11 The mode which works in any case is the frame buffer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (fbdev). It is used during the installation. Then, reboot in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> graphic mode and use MCC/XFdrake to install the best driver.
+</I>
+ha, I didn't know about fbdev :)
+We'll add it.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/scannerdrake.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> HP multifunction printer/scanner are installed with the printer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer. To use the scanner with Gimp, you need the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xsane-gimp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>bascule</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] desktop icons disappearing">asura at theexcession.co.uk
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+ <I>Sun Dec 9 00:27:46 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>despite saving my session over and ver again, for no reason i can see my
+desktop icons keep disappearing every 3rd or 4th boot it seems, not every
+other boot because after resetting them and saving the session they are there
+the next boot or two,
+to get the icons back i go to the cashew, select folder view settings, change
+it to desktop view, apply and change it back to folder view settings apply and
+there are my desktop icons, of course they are the wrong size and in the wrong
+arrangement, i fix that and they stay for the next few boots, i have 6
+workspaces with separate desktops and two of them have icons on them, this is
+in updated mageia2
+am i alone in this?
+
+bascule
+--
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+With Ron and Sid and Meg.
+Ron stole Meggie's heart away
+And I got Sidney's leg.&quot;
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+On debian we edit &#171;/etc/aduser.conf&#187; and add &#171;QUOTAUSER=&quot;some-user&quot;&#187; to configure that all users added to the system should inherit the quota from &#171;some-user&#187;.
+How is this acomplished on a Mageia system?
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid</B>
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+On 10/12/12 23:38, Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid wrote:
+&gt;<i> Perhaps the browser is not the window with the focuss ?
+</I>
+It is. Unfortunately I haven't had time to resolve this, for the
+moment, but I will work on it asap.
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+my KDE desktop (fully updated Mageaia 3 Alpha 2). Sometimes this does
+not happen for hours, sometimes it happens several times in a couple of
+minutes).
+
+This thing looks very much like a progress bar with, at the right hand
+side a percent value, but the bar itself is gray, left-to-right, nothing
+growing. It flashes up for such a short period (a few 1/10th of a
+second) that I have problems to precisely describe its appearance.
+
+Is there an explanation?, has somebody else observed the same thing? It
+is not really annoying, but since cauldron goes into beta, it should not
+just be let alone.
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+ <B>Pierre Jarillon</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 13 d&#233;cembre 2012 16:44:42, Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> This thing looks very much like a progress bar with, at the right hand
+</I>&gt;<i> side a percent value, but the bar itself is gray, left-to-right, nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> growing. It flashes up for such a short period (a few 1/10th of a
+</I>&gt;<i> second) that I have problems to precisely describe its appearance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there an explanation?, has somebody else observed the same thing? It
+</I>&gt;<i> is not really annoying, but since cauldron goes into beta, it should not
+</I>&gt;<i> just be let alone.
+</I>
+I fully agree. If this empty progress bar is useful, it should be interesting
+to know why! In the other case it must be removed.
+
+--
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+Vice-pr&#233;sident de l'ABUL : <A HREF="http://abul.org">http://abul.org</A>
+Microsoft est &#224; l'informatique ce que McDonald est &#224; la gastronomie
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+On 13/12/12 16:27, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 13 d&#233;cembre 2012 16:44:42, Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This thing looks very much like a progress bar with, at the right
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hand side a percent value, but the bar itself is gray,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> left-to-right, nothing growing. It flashes up for such a short
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> period (a few 1/10th of a second) that I have problems to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> precisely describe its appearance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there an explanation?, has somebody else observed the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thing? It is not really annoying, but since cauldron goes into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> beta, it should not just be let alone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fully agree. If this empty progress bar is useful, it should be
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting to know why! In the other case it must be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This was mentioned in another thread, somewhere. It turned out not to
+be a progress bar at all, but something to do with checking video
+capabilities, if I recall correctly. It goes away after a second or
+two, so just ignore it.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> so just ignore it
+</I>
+Are you sure that the problem is well understood? - then ignoring can be
+justified. But, that it goes away after a couple of seconds is certainly
+not correct - it keeps re-appearing, the reason why the term phantom
+imposed itself; happy to drop referring to it as a progress bar - as
+long as nobody calls it the Mageia phantom (-.
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+Mandriva 2010.2, Mageia-1, and Mageia-2, but it will not install on
+Mageia-3-Alpha2 (fully updated) - due to &quot;unsatisfied libpcre.so.0&quot; and
+suchlike.
+
+Anyone here still using 'old' Pan and managed to install it on Mageia-3?
+
+--
+/\/\aurice
+ (Retired in Surrey, UK)
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+A young man who has steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last
+beginning to wonder if he should try Linux. I'm thinking that the
+best thing for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a
+spare cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him. I've no qualms
+about the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks
+where to put the boot record. Is drive A first sector the best place
+in this setup? What would happen if he tried to boot without the new
+drive attached?
+
+I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a laptop
+and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option, and he won't
+want to split his drive, as he is an artist/photographer so stores
+large files.
+
+Anyone care to advise me? I don't want to offer this until I'm sure I
+can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.
+
+Thanks
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 15/12/2012 16:38, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> A young man who has steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last
+</I>&gt;<i> beginning to wonder if he should try Linux. I'm thinking that the
+</I>&gt;<i> best thing for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a
+</I>&gt;<i> spare cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him. I've no qualms
+</I>&gt;<i> about the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks
+</I>&gt;<i> where to put the boot record. Is drive A first sector the best place
+</I>&gt;<i> in this setup? What would happen if he tried to boot without the new
+</I>&gt;<i> drive attached?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a laptop
+</I>&gt;<i> and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option, and he won't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to split his drive, as he is an artist/photographer so stores
+</I>&gt;<i> large files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone care to advise me? I don't want to offer this until I'm sure I
+</I>&gt;<i> can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+</I>Don't know if this will help, but i made a USB key (should be the same
+with a usb drive)
+close to what was once mdk/v everywhere.
+
+here are the steps:
+1/from my laptop I started with a live CD (live usb stick should work also)
+2/boot on the live cd/stick and install the distib on the
+ USB stick/drive as you would do for a internal drive.
+3/when asked if you want to remove drivers for unused hardware say no
+(keep them).
+4/ intall the boot sector on this stick/drive.
+5/that's all
+
+I did that on a cheap 32GB USB stick and in addition at install time I
+partitioned the key
+and copy part of my /home on it (thunderbird and some documents/photos).
+
+I booted my home server, my desktop machine and my
+old iron of AcerAspire ONE with that key without problems.
+(They all have different drive controler and different video cards).
+
+OTH
+
+JPB
+
+-- GNU/Linux: il y a moins bien mais c'est plus cher!
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+<PRE>On Saturday 15 December 2012 15:38:58 Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> A young man who has steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last
+</I>&gt;<i> beginning to wonder if he should try Linux. I'm thinking that the
+</I>&gt;<i> best thing for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a
+</I>&gt;<i> spare cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him. I've no qualms
+</I>&gt;<i> about the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks
+</I>&gt;<i> where to put the boot record. Is drive A first sector the best place
+</I>&gt;<i> in this setup? What would happen if he tried to boot without the new
+</I>&gt;<i> drive attached?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a laptop
+</I>&gt;<i> and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option, and he won't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to split his drive, as he is an artist/photographer so stores
+</I>&gt;<i> large files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone care to advise me? I don't want to offer this until I'm sure I
+</I>&gt;<i> can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+Personally, I'd put the boot record on the removable drive then use the
+hardware boot selector to select the drive to boot. That way nothing is
+touched on the original install so nothing should be able to go wrong.
+--
+Richard.
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+</I>&gt;<i> so nothing should be able to go wrong.
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+</I>&lt;Chuckle&gt; Mr. Murphy just *loves* statements like that...
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+On 15/12/12 16:37, jpbfree wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 15/12/2012 16:38, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit : A young man who has
+</I>&gt;<i> steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last beginning to
+</I>&gt;<i> wonder if he should try Linux. I'm thinking that the best thing
+</I>&gt;<i> for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a spare
+</I>&gt;<i> cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him. I've no qualms about
+</I>&gt;<i> the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks where
+</I>&gt;<i> to put the boot record. Is drive A first sector the best place in
+</I>&gt;<i> this setup? What would happen if he tried to boot without the new
+</I>&gt;<i> drive attached?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a
+</I>&gt;<i> laptop and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option,
+</I>&gt;<i> and he won't want to split his drive, as he is an
+</I>&gt;<i> artist/photographer so stores large files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone care to advise me? I don't want to offer this until I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure I can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know if this will help, but i made a USB key (should be the
+</I>&gt;<i> same with a usb drive) close to what was once mdk/v everywhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here are the steps: 1/from my laptop I started with a live CD (live
+</I>&gt;<i> usb stick should work also) 2/boot on the live cd/stick and install
+</I>&gt;<i> the distib on the USB stick/drive as you would do for a internal
+</I>&gt;<i> drive. 3/when asked if you want to remove drivers for unused
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware say no (keep them). 4/ intall the boot sector on this
+</I>&gt;<i> stick/drive. 5/that's all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did that on a cheap 32GB USB stick and in addition at install
+</I>&gt;<i> time I partitioned the key and copy part of my /home on it
+</I>&gt;<i> (thunderbird and some documents/photos).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I booted my home server, my desktop machine and my old iron of
+</I>&gt;<i> AcerAspire ONE with that key without problems. (They all have
+</I>&gt;<i> different drive controler and different video cards).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks - that sounds a good idea.
+
+Anne
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+On 15/12/12 16:58, TJ wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Richard wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so nothing should be able to go wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;Chuckle&gt; Mr. Murphy just *loves* statements like that...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Indeed! And start from the fact that neither my mail client nor
+web-googlemail has received Richard's comment yet, I'd say Mr. Murphy
+is off to a good start :-)
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 15/12/12 16:58, TJ wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Richard wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; so nothing should be able to go wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;Chuckle&gt; Mr. Murphy just *loves* statements like that...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed! And start from the fact that neither my mail client nor
+</I>&gt;<i> web-googlemail has received Richard's comment yet, I'd say Mr. Murphy
+</I>&gt;<i> is off to a good start :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Well I did say &quot;should&quot; :)
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+&gt;<i> it will not install on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-3-Alpha2 (fully updated) - due to &quot;unsatisfied libpcre.so.0&quot;
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+ After creating a symlink for libpcre.so.0 --&gt; libpcre.so.1, and
+using urpmi with &quot;--allow-nodeps&quot;. it installed, though there is still
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+ <I>Sat Dec 15 21:22:26 CET 2012</I>
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+&gt;<i> 've managed to stay with 'old' Pan (pan-0.14.2.91-4mdk.i586.rpm) on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva 2010.2, Mageia-1, and Mageia-2, but it will not install on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-3-Alpha2 (fully updated) - due to &quot;unsatisfied libpcre.so.0&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> suchlike.
+</I>
+Have you tried the pan package that ships with mageia 2?
+
+$ urpmq -S pan
+pan : A USENET newsreader for GNOME ( 1:0.135-2.mga2 )
+
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+ <B>Maurice Batey</B>
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+&gt;<i> Have you tried the pan package that ships with mageia 2?
+</I>
+ No - that's 'new' Pan (which I have tried), and I much prefer 'old'
+Pan, though one of these days I am probably going to have to bite the
+bullet and move over to 'new' Pan.
+ Pity there are no 'import' options to assist the transition, which
+means configuring all over again, and without being able to carry
+forward the previous Pan message database.
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati</B>
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+<PRE>For a few days I have had a strange video problem:
+The colours of a video streamed in Youtube, or the output of my webcam are
+inverted; skin looks like Hulk, the red dragon of the Welsh flag comes out
+blue, etc.
+The same video, downloaded from Youtube and played with Kmplayer has normal
+colours.
+
+Any idea what can cause the problem ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+
+PS KDE 4.6.5, Mageia 1
+--
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+ if you can't eat it or play with it, pee on it and walk away.
+
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+it's not all that much time till nex Fosdem (February 2nd and 3rd) in
+Brussels.
+For a better planning, I created a wiki page:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2013">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2013</A>
+
+Please add your names there, if you are planning to come to FOSDEM.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Oliver
+
+--
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+ <B>Deri James</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour">deri at chuzzlewit.myzen.co.uk
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+<PRE>On Friday 21 Dec 2012 06:06:35 Renaud Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> For a few days I have had a strange video problem:
+</I>&gt;<i> The colours of a video streamed in Youtube, or the output of my webcam are
+</I>&gt;<i> inverted; skin looks like Hulk, the red dragon of the Welsh flag comes out
+</I>&gt;<i> blue, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> The same video, downloaded from Youtube and played with Kmplayer has normal
+</I>&gt;<i> colours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any idea what can cause the problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS KDE 4.6.5, Mageia 1
+</I>
+You might be affected by this problem (if you have nvidia cards).
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0158">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Support/Advisories/MGAA-2012-0158</A>
+
+As far as I know this patched version of libvdpau does not fix the problem for
+konqueror or rekonq but does fix the problem for the other browsers.
+
+Cheers
+
+Deri
+
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i> On debian we edit &#171;/etc/aduser.conf&#187; and add &#171;QUOTAUSER=&quot;some-user&quot;&#187; to configure that all users added to the system should inherit the quota from &#171;some-user&#187;.
+</I>&gt;<i> How is this acomplished on a Mageia system?
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+
+&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> before I do I'd like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will
+</I>&gt;<i> surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lucky Backup has served me well and I'm wondering if something similar is
+</I>&gt;<i> available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of
+</I>&gt;<i> backup utilities but I'm unable to tell which one would be best for my
+</I>&gt;<i> needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I
+think I may need to an external drive.
+You're probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Phil
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Phil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil_lor at bigpond.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before I do I'd like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lucky Backup has served me well and I'm wondering if something similar is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backup utilities but I'm unable to tell which one would be best for my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I
+</I>&gt;<i> think I may need to an external drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> You're probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Another thought: in the past many Windows installs separated their user
+data to a different logical (or physical) partition.
+Grab that too.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Phil
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Phil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil_lor at bigpond.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phil_lor at bigpond.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed,
+</I>&gt;<i> but before I do I'd like to make a complete backup. The previous
+</I>&gt;<i> owner will surely want to recover some little gem at some time in
+</I>&gt;<i> the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lucky Backup has served me well and I'm wondering if something
+</I>&gt;<i> similar is available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a
+</I>&gt;<i> huge number of backup utilities but I'm unable to tell which one
+</I>&gt;<i> would be best for my needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> I think I may need to an external drive.
+</I>&gt;<i> You're probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.
+</I>
+Thanks Max,
+
+That's a good idea and probably all I need since his new laptop has
+Windows 8 installed and so there's no need to copy the XP system files.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Phil
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+Merry Christmas and all of the best of wishes in the new 2013 year.
+
+It has been a wonderful year for Mageia, and I have gotten all positive
+comments from the users for whom I have installed Mageia onto their systems.
+
+Most of all, a great many thanks to the devs and other Mageia team
+members who have worked diligently at making Mageia such a wonderful distro.
+
+Marc
+
+
+--
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+ <B>Doug Lytle</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed
+</I>
+
+I'd use CloneZilla and image the whole drive. This way, you don't miss
+anything.
+
+Doug
+
+--
+Ben Franklin quote:
+
+&quot;Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.&quot;
+
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+&gt;<i> Phil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd use CloneZilla and image the whole drive. This way, you don't miss
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+Thanks Doug, another good idea.
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+
+
+Just to say thank you for the quality of the mageia 3 beta 1 !
+
+I bought a new pc (Asus X55a) for my mum originaly equipped with windows 8 and
+I wanted to use Mageia only on it
+
+Mageia 1 or 2 - Problems encountered (after installation):
+No ethernet card and no wifi card ... a pc without that is nearly not useful
+Found on internet a possible solution with ndiswrapper (not tried)
+
+... as it is a new pc so no risk to loose something important and so no
+problem to try a complete new version of mageia (the 3) :p
+
+Mageia 3:
+I used the live one (64 bits).
+Here under the problems I had (i will not open new bugzilla tickets because I
+will not have this pc in some days and so I won't be able to try solution ;))
+- If using the live mode : in some point during the instlallation I had just a
+black screen (complete freeze in the level not to do anything else to a hard
+reboot)
+- So using the installation mode
+
+Problems encountered with this live 64 - beta 1 in installation mode using kde
+for windows manager :
+- apparently better to use the grub2 instlall and not the grub entry: if not
+it is like to use it as a live version --&gt; black screen in some point)
+- alt-f2 for searching applications --&gt; crash
+- problem to recover internet connection after using sleep to ram or sleeping
+to hard disk --&gt; no problem with the wifi connexion itself (if I look the
+applet) but you have not the internet connexion anymore --&gt; if i want the
+internet connexion back I must to create another new internet connexion (maybe
+loosing the fact that it is/was a wpa with key ???) or to do a complete
+restart of the pc
+
+So (MY) conclusion:
+Just GREAT ! Even the fact it is only a beta and even it is just the FIRST
+beta it can be used normaly for my mum with little restrictions for the
+suspend mode (HP printer, usb key, sound, mouse, using an external screen with
+Intel card, ... all OK) :)
+
+THANKS !
+
+
+
+A+
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+I'm taking the time this break to upgrade my main computer from mageia 1
+to mageia 2. I have not actually started the upgrade yet, but right now I
+am in the process of testing things to ensure that I will have a smooth
+upgrade.
+
+A long story short.
+I have copied .local/share/evolution from my main machine to a different
+machine running mageia 2. Firing up evolution I find no mails, no folders.
+
+I read on <A HREF="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=88648">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=88648</A> that I
+will need to convert each folder manually to some new format. I try one
+folder and it works.
+
+I tried this on one folder and it seemed to work. So my questions are
+1. will this conversion be done automatically during an upgrade?
+2. If not, do I have to manually convert each and every through this
+manual process to the new format?
+
+please help me!
+regards
+Daniel
+
+
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+<PRE>I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that. For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine. Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+
+aumix -i 60
+mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+aumix -i 0
+
+I also tried running VLC and doing Open Capture Device, and I get no sound there either. Any ideas how to get this working now?
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+ <B>Moreau Serge</B>
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+<PRE>Le 29/12/2012 17:30, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that. For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine. Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;<i> mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10&gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also tried running VLC and doing Open Capture Device, and I get no sound there either. Any ideas how to get this working now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Did you try Audacity ? I use it daily to record MF Radio. You can choose
+in audacity the line (in ) you use.
+
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+&gt;<i> I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;<i> internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;<i> the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;<i> For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;<i> the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;<i> mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix -i 0
+</I>
+Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone. Why are
+you using OSS instead of alsa directly? Try to get things working
+with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+
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+&gt;<i> Le 29/12/2012 17:30, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mencoder -tv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10&gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1 aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I also tried running VLC and doing Open Capture Device, and I get no sound
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there either. Any ideas how to get this working now?
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you try Audacity ? I use it daily to record MF Radio. You can choose
+</I>&gt;<i> in audacity the line (in ) you use.
+</I>
+I have some analogue tv cards that did the same (audio out to line in on sound
+card), I use kaffeine. Unfortunately I can't test this bug as here the
+analogue signal has been switched off and I have a cheap and nasty usb digital
+(windoz) tuner, a bit like the old winmodems that were around.
+John Bowden (Led43_???)
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts
+</I>acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+</I>
+The TV card is fine, all that's changed is upgrading to mga2.
+
+&gt;<i> Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone.
+</I>
+How would you check/change that? Why would it get messed up all of a sudden?
+
+&gt;<i> Why are you using OSS instead of alsa directly?
+</I>
+That's what mencoder uses. It should work fine.
+
+&gt;<i> Try to get things working with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+</I>
+aumix seems to be working fine, it still sees the IGain channel and can set it just fine. I think something else is wrong.
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+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts
+</I>&gt;<i> acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The TV card is fine, all that's changed is upgrading to mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How would you check/change that? Why would it get messed up all of a sudden?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why are you using OSS instead of alsa directly?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what mencoder uses. It should work fine.
+</I>
+I tried changing adevice=/dev/dsp to the following things, which all also didn't work:
+alsa:adevice=hw.0,0
+alsa:adevice=hw.0,1
+alsa:adevice=hw.0,2
+
+Here are the sound and TV devices from lspcidrake. This is smelling like a kernel bug to me.
+snd_hda_intel : Intel Corporation|82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
+bt878 : Brooktree Corporation|Bt878 Audio Capture [MULTIMEDIA_OTHER] (rev: 11)
+bttv : Brooktree Corporation|Bt878 Video Capture [MULTIMEDIA_VIDEO] (rev: 11)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Try to get things working with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> aumix seems to be working fine, it still sees the IGain channel and can set it just fine. I think something else is wrong.
+</I>
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 29 december 2012 14:07:23 schreef David Walser:
+&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; mencoder -tv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The TV card is fine, all that's changed is upgrading to mga2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How would you check/change that? Why would it get messed up all of a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sudden?&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why are you using OSS instead of alsa directly?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's what mencoder uses. It should work fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried changing adevice=/dev/dsp to the following things, which all also
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't work: alsa:adevice=hw.0,0
+</I>&gt;<i> alsa:adevice=hw.0,1
+</I>&gt;<i> alsa:adevice=hw.0,2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the sound and TV devices from lspcidrake. This is smelling like a
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel bug to me. snd_hda_intel : Intel Corporation|82801JI (ICH10
+</I>&gt;<i> Family) HD Audio Controller bt878 : Brooktree Corporation|Bt878
+</I>&gt;<i> Audio Capture [MULTIMEDIA_OTHER] (rev: 11) bttv : Brooktree
+</I>&gt;<i> Corporation|Bt878 Video Capture [MULTIMEDIA_VIDEO] (rev: 11)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Try to get things working with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aumix seems to be working fine, it still sees the IGain channel and can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; set it just fine. I think something else is wrong.
+</I>
+it could still be that channels are being changed in kernel driver, perhaps
+you can with alsamixer try to select the correct line-in function, and up the
+volumes that could maybe have effect?
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+<PRE>AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 29 december 2012 14:07:23 schreef David Walser:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; mencoder -tv
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The TV card is fine, all that's changed is upgrading to mga2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; How would you check/change that? Why would it get messed up all of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sudden?&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why are you using OSS instead of alsa directly?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; That's what mencoder uses. It should work fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried changing adevice=/dev/dsp to the following things, which all also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> didn't work: alsa:adevice=hw.0,0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alsa:adevice=hw.0,1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alsa:adevice=hw.0,2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here are the sound and TV devices from lspcidrake. This is smelling like a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel bug to me. snd_hda_intel : Intel Corporation|82801JI (ICH10
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Family) HD Audio Controller bt878 : Brooktree Corporation|Bt878
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Audio Capture [MULTIMEDIA_OTHER] (rev: 11) bttv : Brooktree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Corporation|Bt878 Video Capture [MULTIMEDIA_VIDEO] (rev: 11)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Try to get things working with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; aumix seems to be working fine, it still sees the IGain channel and can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; set it just fine. I think something else is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it could still be that channels are being changed in kernel driver, perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> you can with alsamixer try to select the correct line-in function, and up the
+</I>&gt;<i> volumes that could maybe have effect?
+</I>
+alsamixer seems broken on mga2. Is there some other way to check/change the selected capture device?
+
+I wanted to reboot to the mga1 kernel to see if that would work, but that was an unproductive adventure.
+
+I installed the mga1 kernel which pointed /boot/initrd.img to the mga1 kernel's initrd, which was generated of course by dracut, but didn't
+work, and I couldn't boot any kernel. I booted to the rescue from the installer and re-installed the mga2 kernel, which fixed the initrd
+links, so then I could boot the mga2 kernel. I restored the mga1 kernel's initrd from the backups I made before the upgrade, so then I could
+also boot the mga1 kernel, but when KDM came up the mouse and keyboard didn't work and hitting the power button didn't shut down, so I had to
+hold the power button to kill it. So I couldn't test if it works under the mga1 kernel. Somewhere during this process, grub got messed up
+too, because /boot/grub/device.map got renamed to /boot/grub/device.map.old and replaced with an empty one, so I had to fix that by hand.
+
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+<PRE>Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have an ATI TV Wonder VE video card which doesn't handle audio
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> internally, it just pipes it out a 1/8&quot; audio cable which you plug into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Line In input in the sound card, and you record the audio from that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For years, I've been using the script below to record TV from it. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aumix command sets the IGain mixer channel, which controls the volume of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the audio that gets recorded. Up through Mageia 1, this worked fine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now in Mageia 2, I get no sound.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 60
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:adevice=/dev/dsp:norm=ntsc:input=0 <A HREF="tv://">tv://</A> -o tv.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts
+</I>acodec=libmp3lame:abitrate=64:vbitrate=1800:vhq -lameopts vbr=3:br=64 -srate 44100 -vf crop=608:456:14:10 &gt; /dev/null 2&gt;&amp;1
+&gt;&gt;<i> aumix -i 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well all kinds of things can be wrong. Does the TV card output sound?
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe the input selector of the sound card is set to microphone. Why are
+</I>&gt;<i> you using OSS instead of alsa directly? Try to get things working
+</I>&gt;<i> with alsamixer if aumix doesn't work...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>
+Just following up here since you just helped me on IRC.
+
+Enabling KMix to show the Input Source allowed me to fix this. It is supposed to be Line but it was set to Rear Mic for some reason.
+Changing it back to Line fixes it. Running alsactl store saves this in the /var/lib/alsa/asound.state file so it should persist.
+
+Thanks!
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+It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot
+from being adopted on a large scale basis.
+<A HREF="http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot">http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot</A>
+There's a place to sign:
+<A HREF="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers</A>
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+We probably want to sign this as people, and as an organization.
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+<PRE>On Sunday 30 December 2012, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot
+</I>&gt;<i> from being adopted on a large scale basis.
+</I>
+Suggestion (in case it's not already considered) :
+
+We could also utilize the /consumer protection/ channels and demand that such
+hardware comes with a big _sticker_ claiming &quot;this device cannot support any
+3rd party software/operating system&quot;.
+
+It is important to emphasize on a /negative/ wording. One that would put off
+the consumer from buying the locked-down device. Of course, in legal terms, we
+must be very precise in what we ask for, because companies will try to change
+the sticker to some positive message: &quot;this device is /protected/ against bad
+software&quot; or so..
+
+If vendors don't apply the sticker, then, under current law (in most European
+and US states), we have the right to *return* the device, claiming it does not
+fulfil the purpose we have bought it for. A return will hurt the vendors/
+manufacturers most, because of the extra cost of return shipment.
+Again, we want the FSFs backing to help us secure our refund. For example,
+claiming that &quot;a computer is supposed to be a /generic/ device, on which the
+owner/user is able to install vendor-agnostic software&quot; could be a legal way
+(with a widely-known precedent) for the consumer to react. (otoh, just going
+back to the shop saying &quot;I don't want this crap&quot; may not be allowed in some
+markets)
+
+I hope, such a consumer reaction would make manufacturers think twice before
+taking our rights away.
+
+Happy new Year!
+
+
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+Was this feature changed or moved? If so to what or to where? Was this
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+
+
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+<PRE>Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm
+mandate it.
+And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and
+lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now
+expect them to be open would not work.
+
+And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to
+make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on
+various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?
+
+Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot
+or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started
+the work by the time. No one did, and that's because everybody that would
+be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.
+
+
+2012/12/30 P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xrg at linux.gr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 30 December 2012, Max Quarterpleen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from being adopted on a large scale basis.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggestion (in case it's not already considered) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could also utilize the /consumer protection/ channels and demand that
+</I>&gt;<i> such
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware comes with a big _sticker_ claiming &quot;this device cannot support
+</I>&gt;<i> any
+</I>&gt;<i> 3rd party software/operating system&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is important to emphasize on a /negative/ wording. One that would put
+</I>&gt;<i> off
+</I>&gt;<i> the consumer from buying the locked-down device. Of course, in legal
+</I>&gt;<i> terms, we
+</I>&gt;<i> must be very precise in what we ask for, because companies will try to
+</I>&gt;<i> change
+</I>&gt;<i> the sticker to some positive message: &quot;this device is /protected/ against
+</I>&gt;<i> bad
+</I>&gt;<i> software&quot; or so..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If vendors don't apply the sticker, then, under current law (in most
+</I>&gt;<i> European
+</I>&gt;<i> and US states), we have the right to *return* the device, claiming it does
+</I>&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;<i> fulfil the purpose we have bought it for. A return will hurt the vendors/
+</I>&gt;<i> manufacturers most, because of the extra cost of return shipment.
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, we want the FSFs backing to help us secure our refund. For example,
+</I>&gt;<i> claiming that &quot;a computer is supposed to be a /generic/ device, on which
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> owner/user is able to install vendor-agnostic software&quot; could be a legal
+</I>&gt;<i> way
+</I>&gt;<i> (with a widely-known precedent) for the consumer to react. (otoh, just
+</I>&gt;<i> going
+</I>&gt;<i> back to the shop saying &quot;I don't want this crap&quot; may not be allowed in some
+</I>&gt;<i> markets)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope, such a consumer reaction would make manufacturers think twice
+</I>&gt;<i> before
+</I>&gt;<i> taking our rights away.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Happy new Year!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:
+&gt;<i> Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm
+</I>&gt;<i> mandate it.
+</I>&gt;<i> And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and
+</I>&gt;<i> lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now
+</I>&gt;<i> expect them to be open would not work.
+</I>
+actually, they didn't. you can root each of those iinm.
+
+this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is
+both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too many
+people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is higher.
+which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is
+compromised or when it's deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.
+
+the thing here is that since you buy a device, it's yours and you can do what
+you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your device?
+it's stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys you
+trust or not.
+
+
+&gt;<i> And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to
+</I>&gt;<i> make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on
+</I>&gt;<i> various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started
+</I>&gt;<i> the work by the time. No one did, and that's because everybody that would
+</I>&gt;<i> be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.
+</I>
+in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather instead
+of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide to go
+down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and using
+their root key...)
+
+[...]
+
+PS: please don't toppost.
+</PRE>
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+&gt;<i> After a recent update of Cauldron (Mageia 3) the setting in Terminalrc,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;MiscCursorBlinks=TRUE&quot;, no longer has any affect and the terminal
+</I>&gt;<i> cursor no longer blinks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Was this feature changed or moved? If so to what or to where? Was this
+</I>&gt;<i> feature removed? If so why?
+</I>
+
+Never mind. The file (terminalrc) that was in
+/home/&lt;user&gt;/.config/Terminal was moved to
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+
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mandate it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; expect them to be open would not work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> actually, they didn't. you can root each of those iinm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Using 3rd exploit is not really what I call open, they are not supported,
+likely against DMCA most of the time, and IMHO not reliable.
+Not to mention that it requires a manual intervention on each device. If we
+take the example of Apple, they closed every hole after a while when it was
+practical to do,and used the existing leagal way to prevent them ( see in
+2009,
+the update of the developper agreement ). And since I know you will surely
+talk of if, the DCMA ruling for jailbreaking is just for phone, because
+unlike France, telcos in USA do not have to unlock your phone after a few
+months.
+
+Not to mention that afaik, despites them being &quot;not closed&quot; by your
+definition, stuff like Iphonelinux are all dead in the water.
+Cyanogenmod only exist because from time to time, Google do a code drop,
+and they still suffer from needing a custom fork of the kernel.
+
+So if the goal is &quot;to be able to run what I want on my device&quot;, that's
+something that can already be done for applications. What people should say
+is &quot;running what I want provided no money directly leave my pocket, but I
+do not mind spending days figuring how to do it, cause I prefer spend 1
+week than giving 100 bucks&quot;.
+
+this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is
+&gt;<i> both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too
+</I>&gt;<i> many
+</I>&gt;<i> people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is
+</I>&gt;<i> higher.
+</I>&gt;<i> which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is
+</I>&gt;<i> compromised or when it's deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The key is handled by Verisign, and since that's their jobs since around 18
+years, I think they are qualified to do it.
+How many time in 18 years was the root cert of Verisign be compromised ?
+
+Also, you are totally wrong about throwing the device if the key is leaked.
+This happened to the PS3 due to the world-record breaking ignorance of Sony
+( or one sub contractor ), and AFAIK, the PS3 all around the world still
+work ( and also, no one formally complained about gaming consoles being
+closed, despite some of them just being powerful PCs ). The same goes for
+various phones/tablet who have been broken this way ( like the Asus
+transformer, AFAIK ).
+
+Burning a key in silicium is what Apple have been doing since a long time.
+That's also the modus operandi of TPM modules. They are used by several
+banking institutions as a way to make sure the harddrive is protected with
+bitlocker ( cause you do not want your highest executive laptops to be
+stolen and that this cause privacy and security issues ). IE, that is
+viewed as sufficient for FIPS certification and usage for military grade or
+banking grade security. And I am pretty sure the private key is stored in
+some HSM like the nShield solo or similar device.
+
+Not everybody work like your client ( the one we talked about yesterday on
+IRC, if I am not wrong ). Some people take security seriously, and check
+what happens. But that's not security of the root key that matter, since no
+one ever asked for public scrutiny or a independent audit.
+
+the thing here is that since you buy a device, it's yours and you can do
+&gt;<i> what
+</I>&gt;<i> you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your
+</I>&gt;<i> device?
+</I>&gt;<i> it's stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys
+</I>&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;<i> trust or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You do not give control to another party, you delegate trust handling to
+another party.
+That's exactly what you do with a browser. Or your bank, or anything in
+life.
+
+Again, the norm mandate to be able to disable secureboot on x86 and to
+choose the key. The whole petition is about those that do not follow the
+norm, and for those, the incentive was to not being Windows 8 certified. So
+as annoying this will be, that's the best way to find something that let
+you run Linux.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on
+</I>&gt;<i> slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the work by the time. No one did, and that's because everybody that would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather
+</I>&gt;<i> instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide
+</I>&gt;<i> to go
+</I>&gt;<i> down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and using
+</I>&gt;<i> their root key...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+All plans that requires someone else to do anything is just a way to blame
+failure to someone else. If you delegate all your action to someone else,
+you lose the right to complain about this group not doing what you want.
+Only delusional fools would believe otherwise.
+
+In fact, hardware not working on Linux is a decades old problem. We all
+have seen how boycott worked so well to have more hardware supported on
+linux, and how people happily trade freedom for convenience ( like nvidia
+drivers, printers, etc, etc ). People should just do a reality check from
+time to time before proposing the same plan again and again. Last time I
+checked, humans didn't evolve from goldfish, so maybe we could stop acting
+like them.
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+<PRE>Op maandag 31 december 2012 15:53:51 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:
+&gt;<i> 2012/12/30 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mandate it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; expect them to be open would not work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; actually, they didn't. you can root each of those iinm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using 3rd exploit is not really what I call open, they are not supported,
+</I>&gt;<i> likely against DMCA most of the time, and IMHO not reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that it requires a manual intervention on each device. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> take the example of Apple, they closed every hole after a while when it was
+</I>&gt;<i> practical to do,and used the existing leagal way to prevent them ( see in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2009,
+</I>&gt;<i> the update of the developper agreement ). And since I know you will surely
+</I>&gt;<i> talk of if, the DCMA ruling for jailbreaking is just for phone, because
+</I>&gt;<i> unlike France, telcos in USA do not have to unlock your phone after a few
+</I>&gt;<i> months.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that afaik, despites them being &quot;not closed&quot; by your
+</I>&gt;<i> definition, stuff like Iphonelinux are all dead in the water.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cyanogenmod only exist because from time to time, Google do a code drop,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they still suffer from needing a custom fork of the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if the goal is &quot;to be able to run what I want on my device&quot;, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> something that can already be done for applications. What people should say
+</I>&gt;<i> is &quot;running what I want provided no money directly leave my pocket, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> do not mind spending days figuring how to do it, cause I prefer spend 1
+</I>&gt;<i> week than giving 100 bucks&quot;.
+</I>
+whatever you purchase, it's yours and you can do with it whatever you like for
+whatever purpose, as long as you're not using it to harm people, other
+property or violate laws (but even then, only these laws are violated, not the
+fact that you use something for another purpose.
+
+in fact, this means they are restricting you for using your property in
+whatever way you see fit.
+
+&gt;<i> this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; many
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; higher.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compromised or when it's deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The key is handled by Verisign, and since that's their jobs since around 18
+</I>&gt;<i> years, I think they are qualified to do it.
+</I>&gt;<i> How many time in 18 years was the root cert of Verisign be compromised ?
+</I>
+Are we talking about the same key here? i do find it odd that verisign would be
+handling the microsoft key. Who actually has the decision power here?
+
+&gt;<i> Also, you are totally wrong about throwing the device if the key is leaked.
+</I>&gt;<i> This happened to the PS3 due to the world-record breaking ignorance of Sony
+</I>&gt;<i> ( or one sub contractor ), and AFAIK, the PS3 all around the world still
+</I>&gt;<i> work ( and also, no one formally complained about gaming consoles being
+</I>&gt;<i> closed, despite some of them just being powerful PCs ). The same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> various phones/tablet who have been broken this way ( like the Asus
+</I>&gt;<i> transformer, AFAIK ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Burning a key in silicium is what Apple have been doing since a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's also the modus operandi of TPM modules. They are used by several
+</I>&gt;<i> banking institutions as a way to make sure the harddrive is protected with
+</I>&gt;<i> bitlocker ( cause you do not want your highest executive laptops to be
+</I>&gt;<i> stolen and that this cause privacy and security issues ). IE, that is
+</I>&gt;<i> viewed as sufficient for FIPS certification and usage for military grade or
+</I>&gt;<i> banking grade security. And I am pretty sure the private key is stored in
+</I>&gt;<i> some HSM like the nShield solo or similar device.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not everybody work like your client ( the one we talked about yesterday on
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC, if I am not wrong ). Some people take security seriously, and check
+</I>&gt;<i> what happens. But that's not security of the root key that matter, since no
+</I>&gt;<i> one ever asked for public scrutiny or a independent audit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the thing here is that since you buy a device, it's yours and you can do
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; device?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; trust or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You do not give control to another party, you delegate trust handling to
+</I>&gt;<i> another party.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's exactly what you do with a browser. Or your bank, or anything in
+</I>&gt;<i> life.
+</I>
+but you can still choose who you trust.
+
+&gt;<i> Again, the norm mandate to be able to disable secureboot on x86 and to
+</I>&gt;<i> choose the key. The whole petition is about those that do not follow the
+</I>&gt;<i> norm, and for those, the incentive was to not being Windows 8 certified. So
+</I>&gt;<i> as annoying this will be, that's the best way to find something that let
+</I>&gt;<i> you run Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; slashdot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; started
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the work by the time. No one did, and that's because everybody that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; instead
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to go
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their root key...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All plans that requires someone else to do anything is just a way to blame
+</I>&gt;<i> failure to someone else. If you delegate all your action to someone else,
+</I>&gt;<i> you lose the right to complain about this group not doing what you want.
+</I>&gt;<i> Only delusional fools would believe otherwise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, hardware not working on Linux is a decades old problem. We all
+</I>&gt;<i> have seen how boycott worked so well to have more hardware supported on
+</I>&gt;<i> linux, and how people happily trade freedom for convenience ( like nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers, printers, etc, etc ). People should just do a reality check from
+</I>&gt;<i> time to time before proposing the same plan again and again. Last time I
+</I>&gt;<i> checked, humans didn't evolve from goldfish, so maybe we could stop acting
+</I>&gt;<i> like them.
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+<PRE>On 31/12/12 14:53, Ludovic V Meyer wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/12/30 AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandate it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> expect them to be open would not work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually, they didn't. you can root each of those iinm.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using 3rd exploit is not really what I call open, they are not supported,
+</I>&gt;<i> likely against DMCA most of the time, and IMHO not reliable.
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that it requires a manual intervention on each device. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> take the example of Apple, they closed every hole after a while when it was
+</I>&gt;<i> practical to do,and used the existing leagal way to prevent them ( see in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2009,
+</I>&gt;<i> the update of the developper agreement ). And since I know you will surely
+</I>&gt;<i> talk of if, the DCMA ruling for jailbreaking is just for phone, because
+</I>&gt;<i> unlike France, telcos in USA do not have to unlock your phone after a few
+</I>&gt;<i> months.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that afaik, despites them being &quot;not closed&quot; by your
+</I>&gt;<i> definition, stuff like Iphonelinux are all dead in the water.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cyanogenmod only exist because from time to time, Google do a code drop,
+</I>&gt;<i> and they still suffer from needing a custom fork of the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if the goal is &quot;to be able to run what I want on my device&quot;, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> something that can already be done for applications. What people should say
+</I>&gt;<i> is &quot;running what I want provided no money directly leave my pocket, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> do not mind spending days figuring how to do it, cause I prefer spend 1
+</I>&gt;<i> week than giving 100 bucks&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> higher.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compromised or when it's deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The key is handled by Verisign, and since that's their jobs since around 18
+</I>&gt;<i> years, I think they are qualified to do it.
+</I>&gt;<i> How many time in 18 years was the root cert of Verisign be compromised ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, you are totally wrong about throwing the device if the key is leaked.
+</I>&gt;<i> This happened to the PS3 due to the world-record breaking ignorance of Sony
+</I>&gt;<i> ( or one sub contractor ), and AFAIK, the PS3 all around the world still
+</I>&gt;<i> work ( and also, no one formally complained about gaming consoles being
+</I>&gt;<i> closed, despite some of them just being powerful PCs ). The same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> various phones/tablet who have been broken this way ( like the Asus
+</I>&gt;<i> transformer, AFAIK ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Burning a key in silicium is what Apple have been doing since a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's also the modus operandi of TPM modules. They are used by several
+</I>&gt;<i> banking institutions as a way to make sure the harddrive is protected with
+</I>&gt;<i> bitlocker ( cause you do not want your highest executive laptops to be
+</I>&gt;<i> stolen and that this cause privacy and security issues ). IE, that is
+</I>&gt;<i> viewed as sufficient for FIPS certification and usage for military grade or
+</I>&gt;<i> banking grade security. And I am pretty sure the private key is stored in
+</I>&gt;<i> some HSM like the nShield solo or similar device.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not everybody work like your client ( the one we talked about yesterday on
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC, if I am not wrong ). Some people take security seriously, and check
+</I>&gt;<i> what happens. But that's not security of the root key that matter, since no
+</I>&gt;<i> one ever asked for public scrutiny or a independent audit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the thing here is that since you buy a device, it's yours and you can do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> device?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trust or not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You do not give control to another party, you delegate trust handling to
+</I>&gt;<i> another party.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's exactly what you do with a browser. Or your bank, or anything in
+</I>&gt;<i> life.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, the norm mandate to be able to disable secureboot on x86 and to
+</I>&gt;<i> choose the key. The whole petition is about those that do not follow the
+</I>&gt;<i> norm, and for those, the incentive was to not being Windows 8 certified. So
+</I>&gt;<i> as annoying this will be, that's the best way to find something that let
+</I>&gt;<i> you run Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> slashdot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the work by the time. No one did, and that's because everybody that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to go
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their root key...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All plans that requires someone else to do anything is just a way to blame
+</I>&gt;<i> failure to someone else. If you delegate all your action to someone else,
+</I>&gt;<i> you lose the right to complain about this group not doing what you want.
+</I>&gt;<i> Only delusional fools would believe otherwise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, hardware not working on Linux is a decades old problem. We all
+</I>&gt;<i> have seen how boycott worked so well to have more hardware supported on
+</I>&gt;<i> linux, and how people happily trade freedom for convenience ( like nvidia
+</I>&gt;<i> drivers, printers, etc, etc ). People should just do a reality check from
+</I>&gt;<i> time to time before proposing the same plan again and again. Last time I
+</I>&gt;<i> checked, humans didn't evolve from goldfish, so maybe we could stop acting
+</I>&gt;<i> like them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Apathy is not the answer.
+
+Claire
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Dec 1 03:54:42 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 72<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-discuss] FOSDEM dawning on the horizon...
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Evolution upgrade pain(?)
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor - Solved
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Even a Mageia 3 beta 1 rocks ! :)
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-discuss] [doc-discuss] Re: MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-discuss] desktop icons disappearing
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bascule
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Dec 1 03:54:42 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 72<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-discuss] [doc-discuss] Re: MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-discuss] desktop icons disappearing
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bascule
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-discuss] FOSDEM dawning on the horizon...
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Even a Mageia 3 beta 1 rocks ! :)
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Evolution upgrade pain(?)
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor - Solved
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:11 CET 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>December 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Dec 1 03:54:42 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 72<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-discuss] [doc-discuss] Re: MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-discuss] desktop icons disappearing
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bascule
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Even a Mageia 3 beta 1 rocks ! :)
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Evolution upgrade pain(?)
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-discuss] FOSDEM dawning on the horizon...
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor
+</A><A NAME="9026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor - Solved
+</A><A NAME="9029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:11 CET 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+ <h1>December 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Dec 1 03:54:42 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Dec 31 19:43:03 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 72<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01354330482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354330482-01354519352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alejandro L&#243;pez
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01354330482-01354534950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354330482-01354534950-01354538246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008966.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mouse and touchpad
+</A><A NAME="8966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart&#322;omiej Wi&#347;niewski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354365969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008962.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354365969-01354455555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008963.html">[Mageia-discuss] How to mount NTFS partitions at boot?
+</A><A NAME="8963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354576235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008967.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354576235-01354607957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354576235-01354607957-01354625936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354576235-01354607957-01354625936-01354659487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354576235-01354607957-01354625936-01354659487-01354667177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354576235-01354607957-01354625936-01354659487-01354667177-01354668507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354576235-01354607957-01354625936-01354659487-01354667177-01354668507-01354694317- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Are applet names a secret?
+</A><A NAME="8973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354814018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354814018-01354814840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354814018-01354814840-01354880906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354814018-01354814840-01354880906-01354939970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01354814018-01354814840-01354880906-01354939970-01354967417- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01354814018-01355182724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354814018-01355182724-01355306906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another mouse question
+</A><A NAME="8986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01354908724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008977.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01354908724-01354922813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008978.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01354908724-01354922813-01354965084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008980.html">[Mageia-discuss] MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01354908724-01354922813-01354965084-01354987555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008982.html">[Mageia-discuss] [doc-discuss] Re: MCC help pages - what can be improved?
+</A><A NAME="8982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01355009266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008983.html">[Mageia-discuss] desktop icons disappearing
+</A><A NAME="8983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bascule
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01355014508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008984.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="8984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01355014508-01356494387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009006.html">[Mageia-discuss] useradd/adduser and default quota - how?
+</A><A NAME="9006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01355413482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01355413482-01355416049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Jarillon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01355413482-01355416049-01355428708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01355413482-01355416049-01355428708-01355432473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Phantom progress-bar on desktop
+</A><A NAME="8990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01355508363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008991.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01355508363-01355600895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008999.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="8999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01355508363-01355602946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009000.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01355508363-01355602946-01355674162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009001.html">[Mageia-discuss] 'Old' Pan newsreader won't install on Mageia-3-Alpha-2
+</A><A NAME="9001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01355585938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01355585938-01355589479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01355585938-01355589479-01355590912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01355585938-01355589824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01355585938-01355589824-01355590683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01355585938-01355589824-01355590683-01355591267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01355585938-01355589824-01355590683-01355591267-01355591754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="008998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Dual-booting Mageia
+</A><A NAME="8998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01356080795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01356080795-01356087831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Strange video behaviour
+</A><A NAME="9004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Deri James
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01356085681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009003.html">[Mageia-discuss] FOSDEM dawning on the horizon...
+</A><A NAME="9003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01356490782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01356490782-01356504988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01356490782-01356504988-01356505042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01356490782-01356504988-01356506282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01356490782-01356521794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01356490782-01356521794-01356566130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Lucky Backup for Windows
+</A><A NAME="9012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Phil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01356521890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
+</A><A NAME="9010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01356615535- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Even a Mageia 3 beta 1 rocks ! :)
+</A><A NAME="9013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01356690353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Evolution upgrade pain(?)
+</A><A NAME="9014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01356798620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009015.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01356798620-01356799293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009016.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01356798620-01356799293-01356801488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009018.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01356798620-01356799328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009017.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01356798620-01356799328-01356803533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009019.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01356798620-01356799328-01356803533-01356808043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009020.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01356798620-01356799328-01356803533-01356808043-01356811676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009021.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01356798620-01356799328-01356803533-01356808043-01356811676-01356817504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009022.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01356798620-01356799328-01356822086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009023.html">[Mageia-discuss] audio recording (from Line In) doesn't work in Mageia 2
+</A><A NAME="9023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01356853764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009024.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01356853764-01356855327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009025.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
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+<LI><A HREF="009027.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
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+<!--3 01356853764-01356855327-01356898658-01356903380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009028.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
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+<!--3 01356853764-01356855327-01356898658-01356903380-01356965631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009030.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ludovic V Meyer
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+<LI><A HREF="009031.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
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+<!--3 01356853764-01356855327-01356898658-01356903380-01356965631-01356979383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009032.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF anf UEFI SecureBoot
+</A><A NAME="9032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
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+<!--0 01356893539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor
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+<I>David
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+<!--1 01356893539-01356929700- -->
+<LI><A HREF="009029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Xfce and blinking cursor - Solved
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+<I>David
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