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No one did, and that's because everybody that would +be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions. + + +2012/12/30 P. Christeas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xrg at linux.gr</A>> + +><i> On Sunday 30 December 2012, Max Quarterpleen wrote: +</I>><i> > Hi all +</I>><i> > It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot +</I>><i> > from being adopted on a large scale basis. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Suggestion (in case it's not already considered) : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We could also utilize the /consumer protection/ channels and demand that +</I>><i> such +</I>><i> hardware comes with a big _sticker_ claiming "this device cannot support +</I>><i> any +</I>><i> 3rd party software/operating system". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is important to emphasize on a /negative/ wording. One that would put +</I>><i> off +</I>><i> the consumer from buying the locked-down device. Of course, in legal +</I>><i> terms, we +</I>><i> must be very precise in what we ask for, because companies will try to +</I>><i> change +</I>><i> the sticker to some positive message: "this device is /protected/ against +</I>><i> bad +</I>><i> software" or so.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If vendors don't apply the sticker, then, under current law (in most +</I>><i> European +</I>><i> and US states), we have the right to *return* the device, claiming it does +</I>><i> not +</I>><i> fulfil the purpose we have bought it for. A return will hurt the vendors/ +</I>><i> manufacturers most, because of the extra cost of return shipment. +</I>><i> Again, we want the FSFs backing to help us secure our refund. For example, +</I>><i> claiming that "a computer is supposed to be a /generic/ device, on which +</I>><i> the +</I>><i> owner/user is able to install vendor-agnostic software" could be a legal +</I>><i> way +</I>><i> (with a widely-known precedent) for the consumer to react. (otoh, just +</I>><i> going +</I>><i> back to the shop saying "I don't want this crap" may not be allowed in some +</I>><i> markets) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I hope, such a consumer reaction would make manufacturers think twice +</I>><i> before +</I>><i> taking our rights away. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Happy new Year! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Say NO to spam and viruses. 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