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+ <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Sun java updates must now be downloaded and installed manually.</H1>
+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Sun java updates must now be downloaded and installed manually.">alien at rmail.be
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+ <I>Wed Nov 23 19:22:28 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 23 november 2011 10:09:39 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Where do we want to draw the line, as we did the same for skype?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We propagate the repositories as one main advantage of Linux. Everything
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is in one trusted source. No more seeking and downloading somewhere in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the web from several sites. Automated updates. How should the uninformed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and lazy user understand, that we didn't provide at least a &quot;get-java&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you are right: where do we want to draw the line? 2 points:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Oliver talked about Oracle moving away from Open Source users.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Oracle java (as Adobe Reader) is not essential for the majority of
+</I>&gt;<i> users like flashplayer and proprietary drivers and firmware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe these points provide the &quot;line to draw&quot; - otherwise we can move
+</I>&gt;<i> on to all kinds of closed source games and whatever. Users always
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;want&quot;, it is in their genes.
+</I>
+My personal opinion is that if a contributor is willing and able to legally
+provide/distribute it, whatever it's status, he's free to do so. who are we to
+say to that contributor that his work is in vain?
+
+i mean, what is essential to whom??? it's a very subjective pov, so i say,
+don't draw a unneeded line.
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