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+ <B>Hoyt Duff</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this comment demonstrate that you do not really realize the work
+</I>&gt;<i> that we are already doing all day long, and how much we already invest
+</I>&gt;<i> on our free time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course I don't realize that, and how could I possibly know the
+extent of your participation? And why should it matter for this
+discussion?
+
+&gt;<i> If the goal is to make sure that none of those that already give their
+</I>&gt;<i> time can sleep because they are more overworked, then no longer count me
+</I>&gt;<i> in.
+</I>
+I would hope that is not the goal; it is not my goal. If you are
+overburdened and need help, you should ask for help: there is a
+community out here.
+
+The goal in this discussion, as I understand it, is to post-mortem the
+process to see if it can be improved.
+
+Romain, although not obligated to do so, provided a reflective
+response to my comments that made me feel valued as a member of the
+community and I thank him for it.
+
+You, however, feel somehow offended and defensive at my participation.
+That approach generally fails to foster wider community participation
+over time and inhibits the free exchange of ideas.
+
+A wise man once taught me that there are some things you should never
+say when you have asked for ideas or advice.
+
+&quot;We don't do it that way here.&quot;
+&quot;You just don't understand what is involved.&quot;
+&quot;You should be kissing my ass in appreciation.&quot;
+and
+&quot;That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.&quot;
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+ <B>Leandro Dorileo</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/12/8 Adjamilton J&#250;nior &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ajunior at brasifort.com.br</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, really. I did not express myself correctly. I know that ISO Alpha will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be not &#160;shared with all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will be publicly available; I think what Romain meant by &quot;not a
+</I>&gt;<i> release for everyone,&quot;, is that it's not a stable release for
+</I>&gt;<i> regular/average users, but a test Alpha for testers (e.g. like cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> users in Mandriva) :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+As I understand the next very first alpha release could be kind of
+&quot;tagged&quot; as a realease for build system testing, with that in mind
+this could be a good time to set a torrent team or structure/plan -
+and I realize this must be done close to the mirror`s guys.
+
+Adjamilton, what do you understand as needed tasks to be acomplished
+by torrent team?
+
+Regards....
+
+--
+Leandro Dorileo
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+<PRE>2010/12/9 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course I don't realize that, and how could I possibly know the
+</I>&gt;<i> extent of your participation? And why should it matter for this
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion?
+</I>
+Well, if you had followed some of the discussions or if you would know
+anything about setting up the complete infrastructure of a project
+like Mageia you would know that
+1. Michael has been one of the busiest participants from day 1.
+2. The initial setup can not be done like &quot;hey, community, we have to
+do this and that, come help us&quot;.
+
+This fact of heavy duty load matters for this discussion because there
+was no way to add more load just because (unexpectedly) some people
+would not read.
+
+Now, about what matters in a community. Being a part of a community
+project is a 2-way system. The founders have done what they thought
+would be enough. They expected that other parts of the community would
+do at least one thing: read what they were told many times to read.
+
+&gt;<i> Romain, although not obligated to do so, provided a reflective
+</I>&gt;<i> response to my comments that made me feel valued as a member of the
+</I>&gt;<i> community and I thank him for it.
+</I>
+Yes, Romain something important: we all can learn. This &quot;all&quot; includes
+everybody, not only the founders.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Adjamilton J&#250;nior</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+
+&gt;<i> Adjamilton, what do you understand as needed tasks to be acomplished
+</I>&gt;<i> by torrent team?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, tasks for this team aren't complicated but very important.
+Basically the task consist in organize seeders network for share releases.
+This team should receive the ISO two hour before official launch for
+distributing to a network seeders.
+Other task is add torrent file in download servers.
+This network formed by people with high upload bandwith.
+
+Maybe this team should named &quot;Distribution team&quot;.
+
+Cheers,
+
+A J&#250;nior
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+<PRE>On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 00:55, Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If you are overburdened and need help, you should ask for help:
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a community out here.
+</I>
+And as we have started setting up teams (not all of them yet) for
+one/two months, we're starting to distribute the work, to the pace we
+can delegate and coordinate that. It takes time.
+
+&gt;<i> You, however, feel somehow offended and defensive at my participation.
+</I>&gt;<i> That approach generally fails to foster wider community participation
+</I>&gt;<i> over time and inhibits the free exchange of ideas.
+</I>
+I understand misc' reaction as well. As wobo said, he's been quite
+very busy from day 1 and we've been several in this case. It may not
+look like it, but keeping a weekly meeting + public update is a kind
+of a struggle (but as well because we are eager to see the whole thing
+start; in the end,
+
+You expressed your point of view and although I'm sure it's not, it
+can be understood as free criticism. Again, it's a matter of
+perception.
+
+Now, having slept over it, here's a grain of salt to my previous post
+(not a contradiction, rather a complement). It's more general than
+specific to this logo matter.
+
+Mageia won't happen/grow/succeed without a cohesive lot of committed
+people. It is a community thing. It's not the founding members + a few
+versus all the rest; it's not an organisation versus all the other
+people. It's a whole. Its governance has been designed so that the
+very control of the project/association will go to those that will
+have been recognized as the best ones for that job. Wobo said it, it's
+a 2-way thing.
+
+We don't expect this community to be made of passers-by. There will
+be; but we expect more of/from people that do care to the point they
+will take the time to listen, understand, discuss, draft, experiment,
+fail, start over, etc. to provide something more, something better to
+the project, as a whole (so that excludes, of course, harsh, non
+constructive criticism; but that will happen, we just have to have a
+way to manage it).
+
+So, expecting this from people, and for them to do this, is hard,
+sometimes very hard. It may sound a bit &quot;elitist&quot;, it is, but in a
+good way. Because we crave people to join to coordinate and build this
+thing carefully. And that takes a lot. But that's great.
+
+That's great provided that it is good/rewarding to work/collaborate
+together through this - no one wants to participate in something that
+does not make one a better person. That it makes us able to deliver,
+not only great technology but a good attitude about creation, design,
+collaboration, production, delivery. That it makes us all not only
+grow as a community, but as individuals as well, within our own other
+fields.
+
+So indeed, again, as a default, we expect the core community to grow
+out of very committed, spontaneous, kind, patient and friendly people;
+skilled as well of course, but especially eager to learn more/better
+from each other to build more/better.
+
+Ok, it may sound as &quot;we won't recruit/encourage anyone to join, they
+just have to prove themselves&quot;; but that's not that: as I said _it is
+a grain of salt_. We do, we have to encourage people to join for good
+reasons (that's even the very first big thing the marketing team has
+as a target), contributors first. We hope Mageia as we exposed it and
+managed it to this day is a good set of great reasons.
+
+That's how/where we're learning at this time. That's why this
+postmortem is crucial (and that we expect to do one after each
+significant release/action). For it to work, we've go to accept to
+listen to open point of views, even harsh ones - that does not prevent
+us to defend our own points. We all have to take these from a distance
+to better understand the whole picture.
+
+In this, your point of view is very valuable as well as others
+(provided the language/timezone/whatever barriers, let's do it quietly
+and carefully).
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+On 12/09/2010 04:57 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Mageia won't happen/grow/succeed without a cohesive lot of committed
+</I>&gt;<i> people. It is a community thing. It's not the founding members + a few
+</I>&gt;<i> versus all the rest; it's not an organisation versus all the other
+</I>&gt;<i> people. It's a whole. Its governance has been designed so that the
+</I>&gt;<i> very control of the project/association will go to those that will
+</I>&gt;<i> have been recognized as the best ones for that job. Wobo said it, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> a 2-way thing.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Ok, it may sound as &quot;we won't recruit/encourage anyone to join, they
+</I>&gt;<i> just have to prove themselves&quot;; but that's not that: as I said _it is
+</I>&gt;<i> a grain of salt_. We do, we have to encourage people to join for good
+</I>&gt;<i> reasons (that's even the very first big thing the marketing team has
+</I>&gt;<i> as a target), contributors first. We hope Mageia as we exposed it and
+</I>&gt;<i> managed it to this day is a good set of great reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's how/where we're learning at this time. That's why this
+</I>&gt;<i> postmortem is crucial (and that we expect to do one after each
+</I>&gt;<i> significant release/action). For it to work, we've go to accept to
+</I>&gt;<i> listen to open point of views, even harsh ones - that does not prevent
+</I>&gt;<i> us to defend our own points. We all have to take these from a distance
+</I>&gt;<i> to better understand the whole picture.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this, your point of view is very valuable as well as others
+</I>&gt;<i> (provided the language/timezone/whatever barriers, let's do it quietly
+</I>&gt;<i> and carefully).
+</I>
+Well said Romain. I am strictly a user. Very limited technical ability.
+I have been using Mandrake/Mandriva since 2002. As a home user I have
+found it to be an excellent, user friendly, mistake forgiving program.
+Community support has been excellent. There has always been someone to
+help me address my problems.
+
+I have been following the progress on the discussion list and am eagerly
+awaiting the first program. I want to sincerely thank all the
+contributors/community that are working hard to provide me, the end
+user, with a product that will continue the Mandriva reliability and
+usability features.
+
+Thanks, Gary
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+
+&gt;<i> So, expecting this from people, and for them to do this, is hard,
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes very hard. It may sound a bit &quot;elitist&quot;, it is, but in a
+</I>&gt;<i> good way. Because we crave people to join to coordinate and build this
+</I>&gt;<i> thing carefully. And that takes a lot. But that's great.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's great provided that it is good/rewarding to work/collaborate
+</I>&gt;<i> together through this - no one wants to participate in something that
+</I>&gt;<i> does not make one a better person. That it makes us able to deliver,
+</I>&gt;<i> not only great technology but a good attitude about creation, design,
+</I>&gt;<i> collaboration, production, delivery. That it makes us all not only
+</I>&gt;<i> grow as a community, but as individuals as well, within our own other
+</I>&gt;<i> fields.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So indeed, again, as a default, we expect the core community to grow
+</I>&gt;<i> out of very committed, spontaneous, kind, patient and friendly people;
+</I>&gt;<i> skilled as well of course, but especially eager to learn more/better
+</I>&gt;<i> from each other to build more/better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi All , a long time not participating...
+</I>That words are the main principal words to read. Participation makes u a
+&quot;better person&quot;, thats
+the main focused objetive to follow. The other things will arise with
+collaboration.
+
+After 10 years of be part of community, founding communities and walk around
+my continent, I never
+read that &quot;perfect word&quot;, really, I still believe that theres strong,
+commited people, focused on elevate
+the quality of the person inside a community. Thats very nice to read....
+
+I founded Fedora Argentina en 2006. I know what means found a community, and
+the lot of hours , money
+and some privations this task mean. 7 times more complicated and responsible
+create a new distro, and
+of course, a lot of ego and competition around the work from whom works a
+lot.
+
+
+And lets try, if it possible, evoid let grow &quot;throlling&quot;
+
+Regards from Buenos Aires
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+&gt;<i> Misc,
+</I>&gt;<i> There will be replacing the wiki software?
+</I>&gt;<i> J&#250;nior
+</I>
+Mediawiki will be used.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Ahmad,
+
+
+&gt;<i> Mediawiki will be used.
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+Good choice.
+
+Thanks.
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Alberto Valle Cid</B>
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+(<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=289&amp;cpage=1#comment-442">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=289&amp;cpage=1#comment-442</A>) resume very well
+for me some of the reactions (included mine)
+
+&lt;cite&gt;
+Love the active contributors, as software developer I understand their
+effort, so I would not blame anyone making Mageia possible except that
+&quot;I expected to be more open than this&quot; &#8211; with the note that anarchy is
+not an option. I wouldn&#8217;t go that far to chose whatever community
+wants. Would be impossible.
+&lt;/cite&gt;
+
+The part between &quot;&quot; is key for me, we expect mageia don't repeat the
+mistakes of mandriva , may be at this time there is not a tool to
+manage votes from community and you have to do in the way you do the
+things with logo process.
+
+But i think a tread in mailing list or even a dedicated mailing list
+for receive votes for logos was fit very well as poll tool :)
+
+As Romain say all have to learn for this experience and try to do
+things better next time.
+
+Now he have logo, go for next milestone :)
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