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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003157.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003157.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..23e215668 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003157.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C201012030201.15514.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003158.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C201012030201.15514.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Dec 3 02:01:15 CET 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström: +><i> ADDING to what i just wrote: +</I>><i> > A week or so old news but I saw it now... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5</A>> +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011">http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011</A>> +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71">http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71</A>> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Citing proyvind from last link: +</I>><i> > "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in +</I>><i> > the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively +</I>><i> > inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - i forgot to paste the best part: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m +</I>><i> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them +</I>><i> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several +</I>><i> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even more +</I>><i> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate +</I>><i> > with them on. +</I> +well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too +unstable to be used for use on our first release. + +I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a testrun +with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for +sure stable version of it. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003158.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003158.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b2ea6d279 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003158.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C4CF8B6A2.8020004%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for +</I>><i> sure stable version of it. +</I>><i> +</I>I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a +while now ... +All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he +was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management. +To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather +changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it. +Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of +their tools will be based on rpm5. +It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly +many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the +bugs he created. And then they learned about the planned switch. +A perfect example of how NOT to do things :) + +It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a +big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later. +Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003159.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003159.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7a49cd8c8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003159.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C4CF8B923.10405%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have +</I>>><i> a for +</I>>><i> sure stable version of it. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a +</I>><i> while now ... +</I>><i> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he +</I>><i> was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management. +</I>><i> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather +</I>><i> changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it. +</I>><i> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions +</I>><i> of their tools will be based on rpm5. +</I>><i> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly +</I>><i> many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed +</I>><i> the bugs he created. And then they learned about the planned switch. +</I>><i> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a +</I>><i> big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or +</I>><i> later. +</I>><i> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ? +</I>At the start we should use RPM4 because it is proven to be stable. + +Let's wait until RPM5 will be stable in Mandriva and after that we can +move to RPM5 + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003158.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3159">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3159">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3159">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3159">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003160.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003160.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f697f4e4f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003160.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C4CF8BBDE.3090209%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for +</I>><i> sure stable version of it. +</I> +Yeah, +Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess... +Let mdv cope with the breakage.... + +As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid. + +Time will tell... + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3160">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3160">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003161.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003161.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6c268dfae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003161.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikEtq9f6puOGMhMwgTsQq-1nTn%3D_Mcon00Uz27G%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have a +</I>>><i> for +</I>>><i> sure stable version of it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, +</I>><i> Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess... +</I>><i> Let mdv cope with the breakage.... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Time will tell... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Thomas +</I>><i> +</I> +Agreed, even if Mageia switches to rpm5 that shouldn't happen now at +all; everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to +worry about / work on already. :) + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3161">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3161">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3161">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3161">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003162.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003162.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..24d7678ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003162.html @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C201012031136.57510.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will +</I>><i> > have a for sure stable version of it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a +</I>><i> while now ... +</I>><i> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he +</I>><i> was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management. +</I>><i> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather +</I>><i> changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it. +</I>><i> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of +</I>><i> their tools will be based on rpm5. +</I>><i> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly +</I>><i> many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the +</I>><i> bugs he created. And then they learned about the planned switch. +</I>><i> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :) +</I> +indeed, noone said anything, but that is how i felt. + +The thing is, that cooker testers are a bunch of people who do things in more +or less the same way; i fear regular users might do stuff another way. + +imo, i think/fear Mandriva will (after they release) have some RPM5 issues +that regular users will be impacted of. + +I would take the sure road, and keep our working tools at level before the +upgrade; and follow up the stuff that happens. + +imo, if we don't use rpm5 right now, we lose nothing; i'm sure it'll be an +improvement; however, is it necessary at this moment? i think not. + +imo the risk outweighs the benefits at this time. especially since we're short +on time. + +><i> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a +</I>><i> big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later. +</I>><i> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ? +</I> +I'm had discussions with Per around the time of the forking. however, i (and +others) feel that we need to structure ourselves first before going down that +route. + +I think after the release (and org structure will be stable) we could very +well start the talks, imho. + +thing to keep in mind is that Mandriva is backed by a company and we by our +non-profit organisation, the last thing i would want to do is taint the +organisation, so we need to be careful there. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003163.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003163.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a82cdbee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003163.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3C201012031137.59257.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have a +</I>><i> >> for +</I>><i> >> sure stable version of it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Yeah, +</I>><i> > Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess... +</I>><i> > Let mdv cope with the breakage.... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Time will tell... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Thomas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Agreed, even if Mageia switches to rpm5 that shouldn't happen now at +</I>><i> all; everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to +</I>><i> worry about / work on already. :) +</I> +great, i'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003164.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003164.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..662e0757b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003164.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1012031251180.24151%40shogun.pilppa.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to +</I>><i> > worry about / work on already. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> great, i'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way. +</I> +Related to this, has there been a decision from the identifier used in rpm +spec files for checking whether the system that is used is mageia. I think +followings are the most common ones used by the distros at the moment: + +%if 0%{?suse_version} +%if 0%{?rhel_version} +%if 0%{?centos_version} +%if 0%%{?mdkversion} + +So is there already defined "mageia_version" or something else? + +Mika + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Linux Journal Article +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003165.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003165.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40d9587f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003165.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Linux Journal Article + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Linux%20Journal%20Article&In-Reply-To=%3C4CF8F3F4.3020608%40drdos.info%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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by the time we hit our second release, we will have a +</I>>>><i> for +</I>>>><i> sure stable version of it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a while +</I>>><i> now ... +</I>>><i> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he was +</I>>><i> recently hired to do just that, with full support of management. +</I>>><i> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather changing +</I>>><i> the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it. +</I>>><i> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of +</I>>><i> their tools will be based on rpm5. +</I>>><i> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly many +</I>>><i> developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the bugs he +</I>>><i> created.  And then they learned about the planned switch. +</I>>><i> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a big +</I>>><i> asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later. +</I>>><i> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At the start we should use RPM4 because it is proven to be stable. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let's wait until RPM5 will be stable in Mandriva and after that we can move +</I>><i> to RPM5 +</I>><i> +</I> +I do agree and Mageia has already a release roadmap to follow and I +believe there`s no time left for a rpm5 turn. + + +-- +Leandro Dorileo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003167.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003167.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e411c3418 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101203/003167.html @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mandriva%20is%20switching%20to%20rpm5%2C%20and%20other%20news&In-Reply-To=%3Cafb.4cf96453%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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