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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ <I>Sun Oct 24 18:05:03 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On 24 October 2010 17:43, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I think that if people knew that there is collaboration between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> employee and non-employee, they would have feel more welcome. And from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what I read, you didn't know, so you were cautious, which seemed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> natural. That's our fault, and that's something we tried to fix with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> assembly ( without much sucess on the first try ), something I tried to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fix by being present at every possible free software fair ( without much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> success too )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know and suspect many others know that Mandriva is created/maintained
+</I>&gt;<i> by employees plus volunteers. Not knowing that isn't what makes potential
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteers hesitate (in my opinion). It's not a matter of feeling
+</I>&gt;<i> UNwelcome. It's an ABSENSE of the existing team going out of their way
+</I>&gt;<i> to invite in potential contributors, holding their hand, showing them
+</I>&gt;<i> where to go, who to talk to, what process to follow, etc.
+</I>
+That's exactly what happened to me, how I became a packager, so maybe
+it's not all people on the inside not reaching out.
+
+ &gt; As you imply
+&gt;<i> above, it's lack of effective communication. Perhaps it's hard for
+</I>&gt;<i> people on the &quot;inside&quot; to realize how lost potential contributors on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;outside&quot; feel unless there's a concerted effort to include them in and
+</I>&gt;<i> guide them through the process. Maybe there should be a person dedicated
+</I>&gt;<i> to bringing in and guiding new contributors, someone with really good
+</I>&gt;<i> communication skills.
+</I>
+Ideally it's a two way process, a user wanna contribute and a mentor
+doesn't mind to mentor/tutor him.
+
+It was Jerome Quelin who started the &quot;So, you wanna be a packager?&quot;
+thread on the cooker ML, that's what encouraged me, and other new
+contributors, to come forward. So yeah, such &quot;campaigns&quot; are needed.
+
+&gt;<i> Also, is there a list anywhere of packages that
+</I>&gt;<i> need a maintainer, so new contributors would have a better idea of where
+</I>&gt;<i> help is needed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is: <A HREF="http://maintainers.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1">http://maintainers.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1</A>
+and of course, there'll be a packages/maintainers database in Mageia too.
+
+(Note that not every package in that list is current, i.e. it could be
+a dead package (upstream stopped developing it.. etc); also there're
+packages that have nomaintainer but get updated regularly).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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