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+<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:30:25 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;<i> present occupied by MS. In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>
+Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+specially for non techincal people.
+They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+a 'Mageia' ?
+Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
+
+--
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 15 02:19:54 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Friday 15 Oct 2010 12:14:04 J.A. Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:30:25 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; present occupied by MS. In this market the name we want to promote is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+</I>&gt;<i> specially for non techincal people.
+</I>&gt;<i> They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+</I>&gt;<i> linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+</I>&gt;<i> a 'Mageia' ?
+</I>
+If Impressing someone else with their Computing platform is important to a
+person, they will go Mac.
+
+&gt;<i> Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+</I>&gt;<i> 'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
+</I>
+The plethora of distributions simply adds confusion. Are people deciding on
+Mac deciding between OSX and FreeBSD?
+
+For nontechnical people Linux is confusing, because nontechnical people aren't
+going to be able to make a sensible choice between a deb based or rpm based,
+Gnome centric or KDE centric, zypper yum or apt and on and on.
+
+Ask a nontechnical user &quot;What is a distribution?&quot; what do you think the
+answer would be. People identify with brands. The question that they will
+most likely ask is Windows, Ubuntu, Mac or Mageia?(eventually :) ) Linux
+will feature for some but only a small minority.
+
+Nontechnical people, especially coming from a windows environment simply want
+to know: &quot;Will it do what I can do now in Windows&quot;, they really don't care
+about the kernel or any of the other stuff.
+
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 14 October 2010 01:18, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's
+</I>&gt;<i> like talking to a brick wall and actually you proved my point about target
+</I>&gt;<i> markets by suggesting the vast and incalculable differences between Germany
+</I>&gt;<i> and the rest of the OECD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of
+</I>&gt;<i> grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> in the world of all ages. &#160;Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of
+</I>&gt;<i> distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets
+</I>&gt;<i> and branded to that market, &#160;The major competitor works effectively in a
+</I>&gt;<i> Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing and you think they don't target markets!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so,
+</I>&gt;<i> that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal
+</I>&gt;<i> experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling
+</I>&gt;<i> linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the
+</I>&gt;<i> small network support model was functioning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success
+</I>&gt;<i> is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your
+</I>&gt;<i> average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network
+</I>&gt;<i> (MS's greatest strength).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of
+</I>&gt;<i> factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of
+</I>&gt;<i> Saatchis calls &#160;'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an
+</I>&gt;<i> example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. &#160;Apple's
+</I>&gt;<i> target is young, high disposable income, singles. &#160;To me that's obvious and I
+</I>&gt;<i> could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; &#160;???? naturally
+</I>&gt;<i> by someone in that demographic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to get on with it &#160;and no matter what there is an absolute given:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even
+</I>&gt;<i> identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives will be well received.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+a word you say.
+
+Now I've known wobo more than I've known you; he's proven over the
+years to be a level-headed person so, no, talking to him is not like
+&quot;talking to a brick wall&quot;. Note that he could have said the same thing
+about you.
+
+If you ask me, personally I'd take his word when it comes to Germany,
+the concept of the &quot;man on the ground knows more&quot; always applies, he
+lives there he sees everyday, so excuse me when I say that his
+knowledge about his own country is better than anyone who live half
+way across the globe.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 02:19, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 15 Oct 2010 12:14:04 J.A. Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:30:25 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; present occupied by MS. &#160;In this market the name we want to promote is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specially for non techincal people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a 'Mageia' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Impressing someone else with their Computing platform is important to a
+</I>&gt;<i> person, they will go Mac.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The plethora of distributions simply adds confusion. &#160;Are people deciding on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mac deciding between OSX and FreeBSD?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For nontechnical people Linux is confusing, because nontechnical people aren't
+</I>&gt;<i> going to be able to make a sensible choice between a deb based or rpm based,
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome centric or KDE centric, zypper yum or apt and on and on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ask a nontechnical user &quot;What is a distribution?&quot; &#160;what do you think the
+</I>&gt;<i> answer would be. &#160;People identify with brands. &#160;The question that they will
+</I>&gt;<i> most likely ask is Windows, Ubuntu, Mac or Mageia?(eventually :) &#160;) &#160;Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> will feature for some but only a small minority.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+&quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+successful Linux distro_.
+
+Now I don't see anything wrong in getting users to educate themselves
+on what Linux is, that's a 10 minute search on the internet :)
+
+&gt;<i> Nontechnical people, especially coming from a windows environment simply want
+</I>&gt;<i> to know: &#160;&quot;Will it do what I can do now in Windows&quot;, they really don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> about the kernel or any of the other stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> www.theingots.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
+</PRE>
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+________________________________
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+<PRE>Post in 3 languages (following...ENG and ITAL version of the post)
+
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(FR)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Bonjour,
+
+
+je trouve int&amp;eacute;r&amp;eacute;ssant la possibilit&amp;eacute; de pouvoir essayer
+ou utiliser regulierement Mageia Linux avec une cl&amp;eacute; USB (comme la
+plus partie des distro-Linux les plus connues), pourquoi pas proposer aux
+producteurs des outils pour Windows 32 bit freeware (come Universal USB
+Installer ou UnetBootin juste pour donner un example)&amp;nbsp;mettre &amp;agrave;
+jour leurs logiciels prochainement avec le support du prochain relase stable
+de Mageia Linux ?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Moi j'ai essay&amp;eacute; l'outil Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 qui vient
+d'etre mis &amp;agrave; jour pour supporter Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (la derniere
+version), j'ai d&amp;eacute;di&amp;eacute; un article de test sur un portail de
+consultants-professionnels ICT en Italie (article en italien) qui vous
+pourrez lire (qui connais la langue italienne ou avec un traducteur par le
+web) &amp;agrave; cet addresse:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Si vous avez besoin d'un coup de main pour un test et/ou pour proposer un
+article en italien sur Mageia Linux n'hesitez pas &amp;agrave; me contacter, je
+travaille occasionnellement par des magazines sp&amp;eacute;cialis&amp;eacute; en
+informatique en Italie comme (Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine,
+TechAssistance, Edizioni Informedia-Computer Programming, etc).
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+A bientot, et tous mes meilleurs voeux pour la prochaine pr&amp;eacute;miere
+release de Mageia !
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visitez my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+-----------------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(ENG)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Good morning,
+
+
+i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as
+many&amp;nbsp; other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of
+freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to
+support Mageia Linux in the next release....?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+I'tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un
+update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the
+same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web
+portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia)&amp;nbsp;about this utility-freeware for
+Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC
+with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and&amp;nbsp;not only
+Ubuntu Linux)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a
+beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows
+systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte&amp;nbsp;an
+italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will
+be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as
+Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer
+Programming, etc.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visit my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+-----------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(IT)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Buongiorno,
+
+
+trovo interessante la possibilit&amp;agrave; di poter provare o utilizzare
+regolarmente Mageia Linux con una chiavetta USB (come la maggior parte delle
+distribuzioni Linux tra le pi&amp;ugrave; diffuse), perch&amp;eacute; non proporre
+ai produttori di alcune utility freeware per Windows 32 bit (come Universal
+USB Installer o UnetBootin giusto per dare un esempio) di aggiornare i
+propri software con la prossima versione stable di Mageia Linux ?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Io ho provato l'utility Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 che &amp;egrave; stata
+aggiornata per&amp;nbsp;supportare il nuovo Ubuntu Linux 10.10&amp;nbsp;(l'ultima
+versione), ho dedicato un articolo di test del prodotto su un portale
+dedicato ai consulenti e professionisti ICT italiani (l'articolo &amp;egrave; in
+italiano), che potrete lire (chi conosce la lingua italiana o usando un
+traduttore via werb), leggibile a questo indirizzo:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Se avete bisogno per un test e/o per proporre un articolo in italiano su
+Mageia Linux, non esitate a contattarmi, lavoro occasionalmente come
+collaboratore di alcune riviste e portali web in Italia del settore IT, come
+ad esempio Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni
+Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+A presto e i miei migliori auguri per la nuova distro Mageia Linux.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Cordialmente
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visitate il mio blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
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+
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-15 12:20:30 skrev Catalin Florin RUSSEN:
+&gt;<i> Why not: Stick'on Mageia ;)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia in Flash 'n' Bytes...
+</I>
+
+Haha, yes &quot;get mageia in a flash&quot; or such could be useful in marketing!
+
+Here is an effort to change a live Cd to flash with persistent storage
+<A HREF="http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2266">http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2266</A>
+
+I really ment to say is we should put more effort on flash than optical media,
+because
+
+ &#167; Really small computers do not have CD/DVD ( I have one )
+
+ &#167; Less bad media or writer problems ( I have had both )
+
+ &#167; Less write tool problem ( I think )
+
+ &#167; The OS is starting up and load new applications faster (not as fast as
+from hard disk, but gives better impressions than a Live CD) and/or lower
+demand of RAM (for buffering)
+
+ &#167; Persistent storage (Well it could be really useful for actual use,
+trevelling, repair tool.)
+
+ &#167; Install:
+ o other languages (also, so we do not need to do several base versions
+to include all languages, and make the image less huge)
+ o updates and bugfix are easy - less need for frequent releases, always
+possible to be current also when not installed to hard disk!
+ o install other programs the user needs
+
+ &#167; Remastering (reconstruct the compressed image to include the updated
+files instead of the old)
+
+
+We should deliver working solutions for running on flash stick, and good and
+simple instructions and helper programs for that.
+Have a script, and for windows users an .exe to both instruct how to retrieve
+and verify the image file correctly (or do it itself), search for target,
+ability to set size of persistent storage (all left or limited) and
+(advanced) file system. Link to resource page on wiki.
+
+For a flash version it should be possible to persistently install new
+software. (the base image may still be compressed)
+
+Ability to remaster on the fly like MCNL can would be great.
+<A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=127058">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=127058</A>
+
+And of course some nice utility to install to hard disc, with nice icons, well
+written short instructions and most automatically taking the user step by
+step through schrinking windows, partition, and transfer.
+
+Maybe some other utility to make a copy of the stick to another USB flash
+(maybe after remastering)
+
+Maybe get some MCNL folks aboard on that?
+
+
+Some helper on syncing th estick to other computer directly, and tips on how
+to set up and use another service such as DropBox, Evernote, etc
+- to really get use of the stick.
+
+/Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &#160; &#167; The OS is starting up and load new applications faster (not as fast as
+</I>&gt;<i> from hard disk, but gives better impressions than a Live CD) and/or lower
+</I>&gt;<i> demand of RAM (for buffering)
+</I>
+With USB 3.0 it should go well. We just need to wait a little more :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+</I>&gt;<i> holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+</I>&gt;<i> a word you say.
+</I>
+hi guys, i'm one of the &quot;marketing boys&quot; and this time i must fully agree with
+graham. you want to talk about technical stuff in a generic way, that it is
+simply unuseful and counterproductive for us. like graham i don't know
+anything about promming languages, and in fact i don't partecipate in any
+debate perl-python. this is not a rude attitude, this is only the real
+situation.
+
+you're talking about a science as if it is a soccer match
+
+&gt;<i> Now I've known wobo more than I've known you; he's proven over the
+</I>&gt;<i> years to be a level-headed person so, no, talking to him is not like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;talking to a brick wall&quot;. Note that he could have said the same thing
+</I>&gt;<i> about you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you ask me, personally I'd take his word when it comes to Germany,
+</I>&gt;<i> the concept of the &quot;man on the ground knows more&quot; always applies, he
+</I>&gt;<i> lives there he sees everyday, so excuse me when I say that his
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge about his own country is better than anyone who live half
+</I>&gt;<i> way across the globe.
+</I>
+so wobo in this case can say interesting things about the situation in
+germany, that we must take into account as every other variable.
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;<i> the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes interested
+in linux and in its community (and values) than considering mageia as a linux
+distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too diffult... do you agree?
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
+</I>
+when will be ready the localised blog? i would like to translate the news in
+italian but the web-site is still not available.
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+cheers,
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes interested
+</I>&gt;<i> in linux and in its community (and values) than considering mageia as a linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too diffult... &#160;do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever reason:
+- economical, he can't afford windows
+- usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+- ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+
+then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+
+Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 16:18, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a word you say.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hi guys, i'm one of the &quot;marketing boys&quot; and this time i must fully agree with
+</I>&gt;<i> graham. you want to talk about &#160;technical stuff in a generic way, that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> simply unuseful and counterproductive for us. like graham i don't know
+</I>&gt;<i> anything about promming languages, and in fact i don't partecipate in any
+</I>&gt;<i> debate perl-python. this is not a rude attitude, this is only the real
+</I>&gt;<i> situation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you're talking about a science as if it is a soccer match
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The discussion wobo referred to wasn't about technical stuff, it was
+about social life in Germany pertaining to using computers.
+
+(You shouldn't remove the part that says whom you're quoting :)).
+
+[...]
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>
+no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux for
+these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we must
+comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and difficult to use&quot; that
+there is the best system around the world and that they didn't try it yet.
+
+&gt;<i> then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>
+more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim linux=difficult.
+if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but
+they won't ever install it .
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; diffult... &#160;do you agree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux for
+</I>&gt;<i> these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we must
+</I>&gt;<i> comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and &#160;difficult to use&quot; that
+</I>&gt;<i> there is the best system around the world and that they didn't try it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into
+getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim linux=difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i> if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but
+</I>&gt;<i> they won't ever install it .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting &quot;Mageia&quot;
+but &quot;&quot;Mageia&quot; the Linux distro&quot;....
+
+--
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+
+Seems (thanks to Marcello, Catalin Florin and Diego) that I had an
+issue when I sent the access to people for the localized blogs. Sorry
+for the inconvenience, in fact, mails are still in my draft box... :-/
+I fix the issue and send the mails back.
+
+Dams
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; uphold. I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; _can be a successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; must comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to use&quot; that there is the best system around the world and that they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; didn't try it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into
+</I>&gt;<i> getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :)
+</I>
+in fact (in compatibility with manpower and marketing decisions) we must offer
+an increasingly ease of use also for those people (without forgetting mentors
+help)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; linux=difficult. if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but they won't ever install it .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting &quot;Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> but &quot;&quot;Mageia&quot; the Linux distro&quot;....
+</I>
+it is only a different POV. (but interesting in my opinion).. you say linux-
+&gt;<i>mageia, i say mageia-&gt;linux : )
+</I>
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
+</I>
+German blog updated.
+
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+-----Original Message-----
+&gt;<i>From: Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Sent: Oct 15, 2010 7:54 AM
+</I>&gt;<i>To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-announce at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>Subject: [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>Get ready to start soon!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>Anne
+</I>
+Excellent!
+
+Stephen
+
+Calm down..............it's only ones and zeroes.
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+Le 15/10/2010 14:54, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01287098044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287098044-01287101994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800-01287156160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800-01287156160-01287157627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287117643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287117643-01287152286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287117643-01287152286-01287153958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287137583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287137583-01287138030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287137583-01287138030-01287147295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01287137583-01287138030-01287147295-01287149563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287144711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287148564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287148930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287152767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287157000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287165172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287166925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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