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+<PRE>&gt;<i> The problem with the GPLv3 is that it is incompatible with code that
+</I>&gt;<i> is GPLv2-only. So the code should preferably be GPLv2-and-above or even
+</I>&gt;<i> LGPLv2-and-above or under the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise, one is introducing many future potential incompatibilities (and
+</I>&gt;<i> you can thank the FSF for that!).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+Okay, there seems to be agreement.
+
+GPLv2+ it is then !!
+
+Thanks for the input.
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+ <B>Liutauras Adomaitis</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20build%20problems%20with%20x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2BvRaM2yvPf3bfkq1681k%2BoPeew7mJ9RKK2ELX2r58W%2BjBBbmw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar">liutauras.adomaitis at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+I am trying to build sflphone and getting error message saying that
+command x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar is not found.
+This command doesn't exist, although I can see broken symlinks is
+/usr/bin (see below).
+So it looks like there 2 errors:
+- Couldron has broken symlinks in /usr/bin.
+- Even after fixing broken symlinks, build requires
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar, but there is only
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ar. Why is that?
+
+Liutauras
+
+if test ! -d ../lib; then mkdir -p ../lib; fi
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar rv ../lib/libpj-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu.a
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ioqueue_select.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/file_access_unistd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/file_io_ansi.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_core_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_error_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_time_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_timestamp_posix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/guid_uuid.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/addr_resolv_sock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/log_writer_stdout.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_timestamp_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_policy_malloc.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_bsd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_select.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/activesock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/array.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/config.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ctype.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/errno.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/except.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/fifobuf.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/guid.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/hash.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ip_helper_generic.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/list.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/lock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/log.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_time_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_info.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_buf.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_caching.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_dbg.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/rand.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/rbtree.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_qos_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_qos_bsd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_ossl.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_dump.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/string.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/timer.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/types.o
+make[2]: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar: Command not found
+make[2]: *** [../lib/libpj-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu.a] Error 127
+make[2]: Leaving directory
+`/home/liutauras/rpmbuild/BUILD/sflphone-1.2.0/daemon/libs/pjproject/pjlib/build'
+make[1]: *** [pjlib] Error 2
+make[1]: Leaving directory
+`/home/liutauras/rpmbuild/BUILD/sflphone-1.2.0/daemon/libs/pjproject/pjlib/build'
+make: *** [all] Error 1
+error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.qUDU3x (%build)
+
+
+RPM build errors:
+ Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.qUDU3x (%build)
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras at lenovo</A> SPECS]$ ll /usr/bin/x8*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Sep 17 16:48 /usr/bin/x86_64 -&gt; setarch*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-c++ -&gt; g++-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-g++ -&gt; g++-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc -&gt; gcc-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-4.7.2 -&gt; gcc-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ar -&gt; gcc-ar-4.7.2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-nm -&gt; gcc-nm-4.7.2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ranlib -&gt; gcc-ranlib-4.7.2
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras at lenovo</A> SPECS]$ ll /usr/bin/gcc*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 18 17:38 /usr/bin/gcc -&gt;
+/etc/alternatives/gcc*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 590824 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-4.7.2*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc4.7-version*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28704 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-ar*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28696 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-nm*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28704 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib*
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+Hi,
+I'd like to recall next point:
+
+&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not convinced
+</I>&gt;<i> this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code (been
+</I>&gt;<i> using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia?, or should it be more generic?
+</I>
+It's very important, after that we can start sharing the code in our
+repository (as soon as tuxta has been granted to commit :) )
+
+Angelo
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 25/09/12 21:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 680689 (gnome-settings-daemon) power: enforcing lid close
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are using systemd &gt;= 183, gnome-settings-daemon is now talking
+</I>&gt;<i> to logind for suspend and lid-close handling. Due to the way the
+</I>&gt;<i> logind API uses polkit, this can sometimes lead to a polkit
+</I>&gt;<i> authentication dialog in response to a suspend request - which is
+</I>&gt;<i> problematic when you just closed the lid. The policy which controls
+</I>&gt;<i> when this occurs was made a little more forgiving in systemd 188, but
+</I>&gt;<i> it can still happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With system 191, a new API was introduced that lets us avoid this
+</I>&gt;<i> problem altogether, and bug 680689 has a patch to make use of this,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it is too invasive to land for 3.6.0 at this point. If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> shipping with systemd &gt;= 191, you should consider using this patch.
+</I>
+Now that we have the latest systemd, I will apply the latest version of
+this patch to cauldron.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>On 01/10/12 17:40, Angelo Naselli wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to recall next point:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1/ What should we call it ??
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have been using mcc2 as a working name, however I'm not convinced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is the right approach. I will soon be uploading the code (been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using my own svn repo up till now), and it would be good to start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the name it will stick with. Should the name relate to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia?, or should it be more generic?
+</I>&gt;<i> It's very important, after that we can start sharing the code in our
+</I>&gt;<i> repository (as soon as tuxta has been granted to commit :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Okay, so I am in favour of a new name, calling it mcc2 has already
+caused confusion, so a new name more accurately portrays the program.
+Also if Mageia were not to take it up, a more generic name would allow
+others to more easily take it on.
+
+So the following are some suggestions, including keeping the current
+name. Can we do some sort of poll ??
+
+ Name -- launcher
+
+1. Admin Panel -- apanel
+2. Configuration Panel -- copanel
+3. Mageia Configuration Panel -- mcp
+4. Mageia Administration Panel -- map
+5. Free Panel -- fpanel
+6. Mageia Control Center -- mcc -- until it replaces the existing one
+-&gt;&gt; mcc2 or mcc-new or mcc-libyui
+
+I have put them in the order I prefer.
+
+If you have any more suggestions we can add them.
+
+Tuxta
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 01/10/12 09:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 25/09/12 21:32 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 680689 (gnome-settings-daemon) power: enforcing lid close
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you are using systemd &gt;= 183, gnome-settings-daemon is now talking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to logind for suspend and lid-close handling. Due to the way the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logind API uses polkit, this can sometimes lead to a polkit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> authentication dialog in response to a suspend request - which is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problematic when you just closed the lid. The policy which controls
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when this occurs was made a little more forgiving in systemd 188, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it can still happen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With system 191, a new API was introduced that lets us avoid this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem altogether, and bug 680689 has a patch to make use of this,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but it is too invasive to land for 3.6.0 at this point. If you are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shipping with systemd &gt;= 191, you should consider using this patch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that we have the latest systemd, I will apply the latest version of
+</I>&gt;<i> this patch to cauldron.
+</I>
+Actually, it might be better to wait a little while as the patch seems
+somewhat incomplete...
+
+Lid suspending seems OK, but the Suspend menu seems a little bit less
+than ideal - maybe this is OK, tho'.
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 01/10/12 04:49, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 20:13 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well to be honest that has been already discussed via irc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it seems to be as you said a good thing, the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> question is how to call it :)
+</I>&gt;<i> The usual choices are
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. an acronym few people will remember
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. miascm (multi-interface system control module)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. a cute name with no relation to function
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. WandWaver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. a name that suggests purpose, perhaps with an abbreviation for the
+</I>&gt;<i> commandline
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. Configuration and User Management
+</I>&gt;<i> and, er, &quot;conman&quot; as a command (not cum, I think).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can review the Perl code a little if it helps - my goal with Perl is
+</I>&gt;<i> always to write something that can be read and changed later, even if
+</I>&gt;<i> it's less &quot;Perl-like&quot; as a result. E.g. send me a file or two.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you Liam, I will take you up on that once I get a little bit more
+done.
+I haven't taken on doing things the &quot;Perl way&quot; for the very reasons you
+state (loops for example are more C like).
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+&gt;<i> On 01/10/12 04:49, Liam R E Quin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 20:13 +0200, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well to be honest that has been already discussed via irc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and it seems to be as you said a good thing, the real
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> question is how to call it :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The usual choices are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. an acronym few people will remember
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. miascm (multi-interface system control module)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. a cute name with no relation to function
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. WandWaver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. a name that suggests purpose, perhaps with an abbreviation for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commandline
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. Configuration and User Management
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and, er, &quot;conman&quot; as a command (not cum, I think).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can review the Perl code a little if it helps - my goal with Perl is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> always to write something that can be read and changed later, even if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's less &quot;Perl-like&quot; as a result. E.g. send me a file or two.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Liam
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you Liam, I will take you up on that once I get a little bit more
+</I>&gt;<i> done.
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't taken on doing things the &quot;Perl way&quot; for the very reasons you
+</I>&gt;<i> state (loops for example are more C like).
+</I>
+Pardon me for jumping in although I'm not a developer.
+
+I agree that for the time being (as long as the &quot;old&quot; mcc is in the
+repos) a different name is unavoidable, even if it's just &quot;mcc2&quot;. But
+when a switch to the new version this new version should inherit the
+name &quot;Mageia Control Center/Centre&quot;. The main reason for that: This
+unique type of &quot;configuration mall&quot; has been one feature which has
+been regarded as one of the most valued of Mandake/Mandriva/Mageia in
+all reviews and all comments about the distribution. Over 10 years it
+has been a recognized landmark for these distributions. As such it
+should remain under the same name.
+
+The name will neither make it more difficult nor more easy for other
+distributions to use it (as has been said in this thread), we also
+have tools or whatever adopted from other distributions (like Fedora)
+and they are still carrying their name, even with &quot;fedora&quot; as prefix.
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+Il 01/10/2012 10:53, Steven Tucker ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> 6. Mageia Control Center -- mcc -- until it replaces the
+</I>&gt;<i> existing one -&gt;&gt; mcc2 or mcc-new or mcc-libyui
+</I>I think that one it should be used as a link anyway after, so that old
+users like me can start the panel from console in the old way :)
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+&gt;<i> Pardon me for jumping in although I'm not a developer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that for the time being (as long as the &quot;old&quot; mcc is in
+</I>&gt;<i> the repos) a different name is unavoidable, even if it's just
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mcc2&quot;. But when a switch to the new version this new version
+</I>&gt;<i> should inherit the name &quot;Mageia Control Center/Centre&quot;. The main
+</I>&gt;<i> reason for that: This unique type of &quot;configuration mall&quot; has been
+</I>&gt;<i> one feature which has been regarded as one of the most valued of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandake/Mandriva/Mageia in all reviews and all comments about the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution. Over 10 years it has been a recognized landmark for
+</I>&gt;<i> these distributions. As such it should remain under the same name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The name will neither make it more difficult nor more easy for
+</I>&gt;<i> other distributions to use it (as has been said in this thread), we
+</I>&gt;<i> also have tools or whatever adopted from other distributions (like
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora) and they are still carrying their name, even with &quot;fedora&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> as prefix.
+</I>
+Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it
+configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its
+configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script
+called mcc can run &quot;generic_panel -c mcc.conf&quot; for instance,
+we can also fix that as default forcing mageia behaviour :)
+
+Said that we're using libyui, that is a work in progress abstraction
+for the Suse Yast panel, so we're not reinvent the wheel :)
+
+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+<PRE>2012/10/1 Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it
+</I>&gt;<i> configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script
+</I>&gt;<i> called mcc can run &quot;generic_panel -c mcc.conf&quot; for instance,
+</I>&gt;<i> we can also fix that as default forcing mageia behaviour :)
+</I>
+Sure, as long as the name &quot;mcc&quot; shows up in reviews and in the user's
+minds and not something like &quot;foobar, an overworked new version of the
+formerly called mcc&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> Said that we're using libyui, that is a work in progress abstraction
+</I>&gt;<i> for the Suse Yast panel, so we're not reinvent the wheel :)
+</I>
+May be I misunderstand this sentence, but the new mcc will not carry
+any &quot;yastish&quot; ingredients or behavior?
+(From SuSE 4.4.1 on until today YaST has always been one outstanding
+reason for me to not use SuSE)
+
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+&gt;<i> May be I misunderstand this sentence, but the new mcc will not carry
+</I>&gt;<i> any &quot;yastish&quot; ingredients or behavior?
+</I>&gt;<i> (From SuSE 4.4.1 on until today YaST has always been one outstanding
+</I>&gt;<i> reason for me to not use SuSE)
+</I>
+libyui is a library used to write programs that can be run in GTK, QT or
+ncurses all from the same code.
+A UI abstraction Layer.
+
+Nothing more, nothing less.
+
+Where YAST fits in --&gt; YAST uses libyui to achieve cross widget
+capabilities.
+
+So to compare mcc2 (still using that name for now) to YAST would be like
+comparing two unrelated programs because they both use Qt.
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+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Saturday 22 September 2012 02:45, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Use %makeinstall instead of the make DESTDIR command.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's shorter, and does the same. And it conforms to policy, if I'm not mistaken.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Johnny
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I modified the spec file way you suggested but I got errors :
+</I>&gt;<i> The install process tried to write into /usr/lib instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/philippe/rpm/BUILDROOT/linuxsampler-1.0.0-2.mga2.i386/usr/lib...
+</I>&gt;<i> fortunately there is no write access for me as simple user !!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> of course this aborted the creation of rpms !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> reverting to :
+</I>&gt;<i> %install
+</I>&gt;<i> make DESTDIR=%buildroot install
+</I>&gt;<i> corrected this
+</I>%makeinstall_std, not %makeinstall
+
+hint: use &quot;rpm --eval %macro&quot; to check how it is expanded
+
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+BOFH excuse #250:
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+We have updated the ocaml compiler to its last version, but an error
+made that some ocaml libraries don't pass the build system, here is an
+example:
+
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/</A>
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+I see in this log that it uses the compiler version: ocaml-4.00.0-2.mga3
+
+The problem should be solved with ocaml-4.00.0-3.mga3
+
+although this one was uploaded 12 hours ago [2], the build system
+continues to use the mkrel 2.
+
+[2]:
+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/</A>
+
+So what's wrong ? why the build system uses the old compiler ?
+Is there some delay we should wait ? If so how many hours ?
+
+Thanks
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have updated the ocaml compiler to its last version, but an error
+</I>&gt;<i> made that some ocaml libraries don't pass the build system, here is an
+</I>&gt;<i> example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see in this log that it uses the compiler version: ocaml-4.00.0-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem should be solved with ocaml-4.00.0-3.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> although this one was uploaded 12 hours ago [2], the build system
+</I>&gt;<i> continues to use the mkrel 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2]:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what's wrong ? why the build system uses the old compiler ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there some delay we should wait ? If so how many hours ?
+</I>
+The x86_64 packages were not uploaded.
+You need to resbumit it.
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+&gt;<i> I found that there is only one Makefile.in to modify
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1 chance among more that 2 millions combinations ... and I did it,
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for your help !!
+</I>Don't forget to push the fix upstream if you don't want to keep it forever.
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+On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Jehan Pag&#232;s
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jehan.marmottard at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jehan Pag&#232;s skrev 17.9.2012 13:52:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, Mga2 will get upgraded to 3.4 longterm kernel soon, so maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we should look into backporting the Intuos 5 tablet support to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3.4 series... then I could add it to the -rt kernel too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would be awesome. I checked the diff of the 3.5 kernel, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> grep-ed for intuos 5 code, there does not seem to be *that* much.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If ever you do it, a big big thank you!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+About this whole discussion, I just opened a feature request, so that
+this whole topic is not forgotten:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7659">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7659</A>
+
+Also I am trying to compile a kernel 3.4.11 right now, with the wacom
+driver only patched to the last stable version from 3.5.
+Will tell you what it gives. :-)
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2012 21:16, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> udp 0 0 *:nfs *:*
+</I>&gt;<i> unfsd
+</I>Ouch... You're running an obsolete alternative nfs server. You should
+uninstall the unfs3 package, and this package should get removed from
+the distribution.
+
+To summarize, here are the mandatory steps:
+- check you have nfs-utils-clients installed on clients
+- check you have nfs-utils-clients and nfs-utils installed on server
+- check rpcbind, and nfs-common services are running on clients
+- check rpcbind, nfs-common and nfs-server services are running on the
+server
+
+Once done, check with rpcinfo -s &lt;address&gt; what is actually running on
+each host.
+
+Now, to ensure usage of NFSv4 instead of obsolete NFSv3:
+- check every host is configured to run rpc.idmapd, meaning
+NEED_IDMAPD=yes in /etc/sysconfig/nfs-common
+- check your server export a root filesystem, using fsid=0 options in
+its /etc/exports configuration file
+- drop all your legacy nfs options, such as wsize and rsize from your
+mount options
+
+Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on demand,
+rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to relies on
+server availability during the boot.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #408:
+
+Computers under water due to SYN flooding.
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+Il 01/10/2012 11:48, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> May be I misunderstand this sentence, but the new mcc will not
+</I>&gt;<i> carry any &quot;yastish&quot; ingredients or behavior? (From SuSE 4.4.1 on
+</I>&gt;<i> until today YaST has always been one outstanding reason for me to
+</I>&gt;<i> not use SuSE)
+</I>
+Well the libyui should not have been related to yast only
+- From git repository:
+libYUI
+
+libYUI is a library written entirely in C++ to provide an abstraction
+layer for Qt, GTK and ncurses UI frameworks. This means that a single
+code in YUI can be used to produce outputs using any of the 3 UI
+frameworks listed above. This library was (and still is) used to
+create the YaST2 User Interface.
+
+So the answer is no, but since it is work in progress, something could
+not work as expected yet...
+
+Said that i'd expect a pro-positive approach to this thread, we're an
+open community and things change in the hope they improve in a better
+way.
+
+I recall that this project is explained and approved here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UiAbstraction4mcc</A>
+
+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 1 October 2012 12:43, Florent Monnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">monnier.florent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We have updated the ocaml compiler to its last version, but an error
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> made that some ocaml libraries don't pass the build system, here is an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121001102816.blue_prawn.valstar.13592/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I see in this log that it uses the compiler version: ocaml-4.00.0-2.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem should be solved with ocaml-4.00.0-3.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> although this one was uploaded 12 hours ago [2], the build system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continues to use the mkrel 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [2]:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/done/cauldron/core/release/20120930222839.blue_prawn.valstar.15590/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So what's wrong ? why the build system uses the old compiler ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there some delay we should wait ? If so how many hours ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The x86_64 packages were not uploaded.
+</I>&gt;<i> You need to resbumit it.
+</I>
+I really need to debug and fix this :(
+The current workaround did not work for submitters with _ in their username
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Il 01/10/2012 11:48, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> May be I misunderstand this sentence, but the new mcc will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> carry any &quot;yastish&quot; ingredients or behavior? (From SuSE 4.4.1 on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> until today YaST has always been one outstanding reason for me to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not use SuSE)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well the libyui should not have been related to yast only
+</I>
+Thx both, Angelo and Steven, to clear that up.
+
+@Angelo:
+My question was not a sign of negative approach, it's only that &quot;YaST&quot;
+is one of those words which make me shiver! :)
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+Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 00:36:51 +0200
+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] PHP maintenance
+
+
+Am 30.09.2012 00:26, schrieb Shlomi Fish:
+&gt;<i> Hi Oliver,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:36:28 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 29.09.2012 20:29, schrieb Thomas Spuhler:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am looking for someone to take over php.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I took it initially because we were only a few packagers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't use it for developing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Most of the updates and changes I copied (and copy) from Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> done by Oden.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I could take php, since I am doing a lot of php development at work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But only if someone else takes Python which I took after Misc left.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm willing to take Python.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Done.
+I've just set the following packages to nobody.
+Feel free to take them:
+- python
+- python-django
+- python3
+
+I've kept some python modules I imported and need for other packages.
+
+@Thomas:
+Feel free to set php to nobody and send me the list...
+
+Cheers,
+Oliver
+
+--
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+
+Mageia contributor
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+Il 01/10/2012 14:18, Wolfgang Bornath ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> @Angelo: My question was not a sign of negative approach, it's only
+</I>&gt;<i> that &quot;YaST&quot; is one of those words which make me shiver! :)
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+And mine was not referred to you only I just used your mail to say
+that ;)
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+What i meant is that Steven has worked on this project and Matteo
+and me helped him in some little tasks, so we are not suppose to
+approve the project again, just ask how to go on...
+Certainly it's not ready yet and we hope people will help either
+in developing or in ideas, bug hunting, module porting, etc.
+to build a good alternative to what we're using today in the hope
+that it could be so good to replace it also :)
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+&gt;<i> On 01/10/12 17:40, Angelo Naselli wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Okay, so I am in favour of a new name, calling it mcc2 has already
+</I>&gt;<i> caused confusion, so a new name more accurately portrays the program. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> if Mageia were not to take it up, a more generic name would allow others to
+</I>&gt;<i> more easily take it on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the following are some suggestions, including keeping the current name.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we do some sort of poll ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Name -- launcher
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Admin Panel -- apanel
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Configuration Panel -- copanel
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Mageia Configuration Panel -- mcp
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Mageia Administration Panel -- map
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Free Panel -- fpanel
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Mageia Control Center -- mcc -- until it replaces the existing one
+</I>&gt;<i> -&gt;&gt; mcc2 or mcc-new or mcc-libyui
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have put them in the order I prefer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would be in favor of
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+1. Admin Panel -- apanel
+
+It better describes what it is : a panel to do the things that need admin
+permission.
+And so 'explains', without having to go into the details, to non technical
+users why there are two graphical tools for configuration (the other being
+the kde configuration tool in my case) and which one does what.
+
+It can be combined with what Angelo Naselli said :
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+&quot;Good point, but as a developer i could say we can make it
+configurable. I mean a generic panel can have the name into its
+configuration file and shown on title, while to run it a script
+called mcc can run &quot;generic_panel -c mcc.conf&quot; for instance,
+we can also fix that as default forcing mageia behaviour :)&quot;
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+if and when it is adopted as the default Mageia tool.
+(but for the reasons I gave above, I think &quot;Admin Panel&quot; is better)
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+If you have any more suggestions we can add them.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tuxta
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+I have this error message with 'mgarepo submit' :
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+Submission errors, aborting:
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+ - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for
+cauldron: 1.0beta-4.mga3
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+the previous version was 1.0beta, now is 1.0.
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+I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+But now how can I fix this ?
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have this error message with 'mgarepo submit' :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Submission errors, aborting:
+</I>&gt;<i> - mascot-1.0-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron: 1.0beta-4.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the previous version was 1.0beta, now is 1.0.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+</I>&gt;<i> But now how can I fix this ?
+</I>
+Was it available in stable? If so the only solution is to add an epoch
+
+Else we can remove current version from the repository but people will
+have to update it manually on their machines (by remove/installing or
+forcing the update)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have this error message with 'mgarepo submit' :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Submission errors, aborting:
+</I>&gt;<i> - mascot-1.0-5.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Current or newer revision(s) already exists in core/release for
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron: 1.0beta-4.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the previous version was 1.0beta, now is 1.0.
+</I>
+According to rpmdev-vercmp :
+$ rpmdev-vercmp 1.0-5.mga3 1.0beta-4.mga3
+1.0-5.mga3 &lt; 1.0beta-4.mga3
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+To avoid this, beta version should have been something like
+1.0-0.4beta.mga3, with 1.0-1.mga3 for first stable release.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+</I>&gt;<i> But now how can I fix this ?
+</I>
+If the beta package was only available in cauldron and not part of a
+stable release of mageia, we can simply remove the package from the
+repository so you can submit it again. Cauldron users of the package
+will have to remove and reinstall the package.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 01 Oct 2012, Florent Monnier wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But now how can I fix this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the beta package was only available in cauldron and not part of a
+</I>&gt;<i> stable release of mageia, we can simply remove the package from the
+</I>&gt;<i> repository so you can submit it again. Cauldron users of the package
+</I>&gt;<i> will have to remove and reinstall the package.
+</I>
+I imported this package 4 weeks, 3 days ago (if the svn log is correct).
+So I think you can remove the package from the repository.
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+Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.
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+On Monday 01 Oct 2012 13:18:36 Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 21:16, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udp 0 0 *:nfs *:*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unfsd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch... You're running an obsolete alternative nfs server. You
+</I>&gt;<i> should uninstall the unfs3 package, and this package should get
+</I>&gt;<i> removed
+</I>from
+&gt;<i> the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, here are the mandatory steps: - check you have
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients installed on clients - check you have
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients and nfs-utils installed on server - check
+</I>&gt;<i> rpcbind, and nfs-common services are running on clients - check
+</I>&gt;<i> rpcbind, nfs-common and nfs-server services are running on
+</I>the
+&gt;<i> server
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Not sure of the command-line for checking things that don't respond to
+&quot;service whatever status&quot;, but MCC says all those services are running
+on the server. However -
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+&gt;<i> Once done, check with rpcinfo -s &lt;address&gt; what is actually running
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>on
+&gt;<i> each host.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That looks worrying!
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at borg2</A> ~]# rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.40 ##The nfs server
+ program version(s) netid(s) service owner
+ 100000 2,3,4 local,udp,tcp portmapper
+superuser
+ 100024 1 tcp,udp status
+superuser
+ 100021 4,3,1 tcp,udp nlockmgr
+superuser
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at borg2</A> ~]#
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at borg2</A> ~]# rpcinfo -s 192.168.0.20
+ program version(s) netid(s) service owner
+ 100000 2,3,4 local,udp,tcp,udp6,tcp6 portmapper
+superuser
+ 100024 1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp status
+superuser
+ 100021 4,3,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp nlockmgr
+superuser
+ 100003 4,3,2 udp6,tcp6,udp,tcp nfs
+superuser
+ 100227 3,2 udp6,tcp6,udp,tcp nfs_acl
+superuser
+ 100005 3,2,1 tcp6,udp6,tcp,udp mountd
+superuser
+
+I did try an experimental export on the laptop (.20) but it looks as
+though there are real problems on the server. I wonder whether auto-
+orphans is responsible for this, as it was when I lost my X-server. I
+don't normally use it, but did, immediately after the big update
+following my holiday.
+
+&gt;<i> Now, to ensure usage of NFSv4 instead of obsolete NFSv3: - check
+</I>&gt;<i> every host is configured to run rpc.idmapd, meaning NEED_IDMAPD=yes
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc/sysconfig/nfs-common
+</I>
+Done
+
+&gt;<i> - check your server export a root filesystem, using fsid=0 options
+</I>&gt;<i> in its /etc/exports configuration file
+</I>
+Added that - how do I tell it to ignore the old exports and act on
+those in /etc/exports? I can't find my notes about that.
+
+&gt;<i> - drop all your legacy nfs options, such as wsize and rsize from
+</I>&gt;<i> your mount options
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Done - the lines now match the working QNAS mounts, eg
+
+192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/borg2/home nfs user,timeo-14 0 0
+
+&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>
+Replace nfs with autofs in those lines?
+
+Thanks for working with me on this
+
+Anne
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+</I>&gt;<i> So in the .spec file we could have more than one Group: field.
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+I think rpm does not allow a package to be in more than one group.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/1, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 01 Oct 2012, Florent Monnier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But now how can I fix this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If the beta package was only available in cauldron and not part of a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stable release of mageia, we can simply remove the package from the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repository so you can submit it again. Cauldron users of the package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will have to remove and reinstall the package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I imported this package 4 weeks, 3 days ago (if the svn log is correct).
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think you can remove the package from the repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.
+</I>
+Ok, package has been removed. You can resubmit it now.
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+On 01/10/12 12:18, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 21:16, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> udp 0 0 *:nfs *:* unfsd
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch... You're running an obsolete alternative nfs server. You
+</I>&gt;<i> should uninstall the unfs3 package, and this package should get
+</I>&gt;<i> removed from the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, here are the mandatory steps: - check you have
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients installed on clients - check you have
+</I>&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients and nfs-utils installed on server - check
+</I>&gt;<i> rpcbind, and nfs-common services are running on clients - check
+</I>&gt;<i> rpcbind, nfs-common and nfs-server services are running on the
+</I>&gt;<i> server
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once done, check with rpcinfo -s &lt;address&gt; what is actually running
+</I>&gt;<i> on each host.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, to ensure usage of NFSv4 instead of obsolete NFSv3: - check
+</I>&gt;<i> every host is configured to run rpc.idmapd, meaning NEED_IDMAPD=yes
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc/sysconfig/nfs-common - check your server export a root
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem, using fsid=0 options in its /etc/exports configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> file - drop all your legacy nfs options, such as wsize and rsize
+</I>&gt;<i> from your mount options
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The good news (after rebooting server and client) that the server now
+is running nfs and nfs_acl
+
+The less good news is that the laptop still can't mount
+
+The other good news is that 'exportfs' lists my home directory and
+/Data1 - the new mounts, not the old ones.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2012 14:51, PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I found that there is only one Makefile.in to modify
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1 chance among more that 2 millions combinations ... and I did it,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thanks for your help !!
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't forget to push the fix upstream if you don't want to keep it forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Done ...
+hope it will be readable and useful :)
+<A HREF="https://bugs.linuxsampler.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=190">https://bugs.linuxsampler.org/cgi-bin/show_bug.cgi?id=190</A>
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+
+2012/10/1, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 01 Oct 2012, Florent Monnier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/10/1, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 01 Oct 2012, Florent Monnier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I probably not used the correct scheme to add the &quot;beta&quot; part.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But now how can I fix this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If the beta package was only available in cauldron and not part of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; stable release of mageia, we can simply remove the package from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; repository so you can submit it again. Cauldron users of the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; will have to remove and reinstall the package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I imported this package 4 weeks, 3 days ago (if the svn log is correct).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I think you can remove the package from the repository.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, package has been removed. You can resubmit it now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le 01/10/2012 17:26, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Monday 01 Oct 2012 13:18:36 Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2012 21:16, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> udp 0 0 *:nfs *:*
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unfsd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ouch... You're running an obsolete alternative nfs server. You
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should uninstall the unfs3 package, and this package should get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the distribution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To summarize, here are the mandatory steps: - check you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients installed on clients - check you have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nfs-utils-clients and nfs-utils installed on server - check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpcbind, and nfs-common services are running on clients - check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpcbind, nfs-common and nfs-server services are running on
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure of the command-line for checking things that don't respond to
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;service whatever status&quot;, but MCC says all those services are running
+</I>&gt;<i> on the server.
+</I>MCC won't give any useful detail, &quot;service nfs-common status&quot; will...
+
+[..]
+&gt;&gt;<i> Now, to ensure usage of NFSv4 instead of obsolete NFSv3: - check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> every host is configured to run rpc.idmapd, meaning NEED_IDMAPD=yes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in /etc/sysconfig/nfs-common
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - check your server export a root filesystem, using fsid=0 options
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in its /etc/exports configuration file
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Added that - how do I tell it to ignore the old exports and act on
+</I>&gt;<i> those in /etc/exports? I can't find my notes about that.
+</I>Quick answer: service nfs-server restart
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - drop all your legacy nfs options, such as wsize and rsize from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your mount options
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done - the lines now match the working QNAS mounts, eg
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/borg2/home nfs user,timeo-14 0 0
+</I>Why do you need a timeout, and why 14s ? If you're not an NFS expert,
+you'd better rely on default values only.
+
+Also, take cares, with NFSv4, you don't mount the actual server
+filepath, but the exported filepath: the root filesystem (the one with
+fsid=0) will be available as /, whatever its actual path.
+
+Once again, test everything manually with manual mount command before
+hardcoding them in /etc/fstab.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Replace nfs with autofs in those lines?
+</I>No, that means dropping any nfs filesystem entry in your /etc/fstab, and
+configuring autofs daemon instead. But that's off-topic right now...
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #260:
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+We're upgrading /dev/null
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+<PRE>Le 01/10/2012 19:45, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Also, take cares, with NFSv4, you don't mount the actual server
+</I>&gt;<i> filepath, but the exported filepath: the root filesystem (the one with
+</I>&gt;<i> fsid=0) will be available as /, whatever its actual path.
+</I>Forget about it, configuration handling has evolved a bit: you don't
+need to use the fsid option, and you should be able to use exactly the
+same syntax as before for exporting content.
+
+See
+<A HREF="http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories">http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories</A>
+for details
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #217:
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+The MGs ran out of gas.
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+<PRE>Le 01/10/2012 17:46, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> The good news (after rebooting server and client) that the server now
+</I>&gt;<i> is running nfs and nfs_acl
+</I>Over IPv4, or over IPv6 only as previously ?
+
+&gt;<i> The less good news is that the laptop still can't mount
+</I>My crystall ball is empty... what is the output of a manual attempt to
+mount the directory with verbose flag, and what does the server log say ?
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #80:
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+&gt;<i> Ok, package has been removed. You can resubmit it now.
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+Could you also remove the splits:
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+On 01/10/12 19:02, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 01/10/2012 17:46, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The good news (after rebooting server and client) that the server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now is running nfs and nfs_acl
+</I>&gt;<i> Over IPv4, or over IPv6 only as previously ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The less good news is that the laptop still can't mount
+</I>&gt;<i> My crystall ball is empty... what is the output of a manual attempt
+</I>&gt;<i> to mount the directory with verbose flag, and what does the server
+</I>&gt;<i> log say ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/ /mnt/borg2_Data1
+mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/
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+Anne
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Argh!! re-reading those lines, it's giving the IP address instead of the
+</I>&gt;<i> mount point.
+</I>
+Garbage. Ignore.
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+I've obviously stared at this too long and I'm not making any sense at all
+now.
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+On 01/10/12 20:16, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Argh!! re-reading those lines, it's giving the IP address
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of the mount point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Garbage. Ignore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've obviously stared at this too long and I'm not making any
+</I>&gt;<i> sense at all now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>For a moment I thought I had cracked it. I hand edited the lines,
+took out the '/export' since that seemed to be handled as yet another
+export, took out the IP address (my attempts in the GUI at confining
+it to the LAN) and put '*' in front of the bracketed options.
+
+Back on the laptop 'mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/ /mnt/borg2_Data1'
+gives to errors - and I was just about to cheer, when I realised that
+Dolphin still couldn't see any files. There are no error messages or
+anything at first, then the popup box told me that /mnt/borg2_Data1
+was either busy or already mounted (can't remember the exact words).
+
+That was quickly replaced by &quot;An error occurred while accessing 'home
+on 192.168.0.40', the system responded: mount.nfs: access denied by
+server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/home
+
+I edited the lines to
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at tosh</A> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at tosh</A> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/home/anne /mnt/borg2_home
+
+but get the same errors.
+
+Hah! suddenly I have /home/anne/ on 192.168.0.40 and it's readable.
+
+That's obviously an improvement, but I still need the Data1 directory
+tree. Root can umount it. It shows every sign of being mounted, yet
+I can't read any of it. All the data there is owned anne:users so it
+shouldn't be a permissions issue.
+
+Anne
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+GOT IT!!!
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+Remembered that you said it would mount as /, to which I don't have
+access of course. I removed 'fsid=0', restarted, and all is well. I
+can see all my data!
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+Thanks for your patience.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Op maandag 1 oktober 2012 20:43:26 schreef Anne Wilson:
+&gt;<i> On 01/10/12 20:16, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Argh!! re-reading those lines, it's giving the IP address
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; instead of the mount point.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Garbage. Ignore.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've obviously stared at this too long and I'm not making any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sense at all now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a moment I thought I had cracked it. I hand edited the lines,
+</I>&gt;<i> took out the '/export' since that seemed to be handled as yet another
+</I>&gt;<i> export, took out the IP address (my attempts in the GUI at confining
+</I>&gt;<i> it to the LAN) and put '*' in front of the bracketed options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Back on the laptop 'mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/ /mnt/borg2_Data1'
+</I>&gt;<i> gives to errors - and I was just about to cheer, when I realised that
+</I>&gt;<i> Dolphin still couldn't see any files. There are no error messages or
+</I>&gt;<i> anything at first, then the popup box told me that /mnt/borg2_Data1
+</I>&gt;<i> was either busy or already mounted (can't remember the exact words).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was quickly replaced by &quot;An error occurred while accessing 'home
+</I>&gt;<i> on 192.168.0.40', the system responded: mount.nfs: access denied by
+</I>&gt;<i> server while mounting 192.168.0.40:/home
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I edited the lines to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at tosh</A> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/Data1 /mnt/borg2_Data1
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at tosh</A> ~]# mount -t nfs 192.168.0.40:/home/anne /mnt/borg2_home
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but get the same errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hah! suddenly I have /home/anne/ on 192.168.0.40 and it's readable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's obviously an improvement, but I still need the Data1 directory
+</I>&gt;<i> tree. Root can umount it. It shows every sign of being mounted, yet
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't read any of it. All the data there is owned anne:users so it
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't be a permissions issue.
+</I>
+user ids and names still need to be the same on both systems. (or somehow
+mapped; which is what v4 has more than v3; but i never used v4)
+
+also, root typically has no access to nfs exports, you need to be regular
+user, (unless you specify the root_no_squash options, or similar)
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+<PRE>Le 01/10/2012 21:55, Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;<i> Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> GOT IT!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remembered that you said it would mount as /, to which I don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> access of course.
+</I>That's not exactly what I said :)
+
+With old NFS versions (2/3), the server exports an actual filesystem
+(/home, for instance), which is seen directly by clients with its actual
+path (/home, here).
+
+With NFSv4, the server remaps its actual filesystem (/home, for
+instance) in a pseudo-filesystem, which is seen by clients as a root
+filesystem (/ here). Consider it as some kind of implicit chroot.
+
+With earlier implementations, you had to explicitely mark one of the
+filesystem as the root one, and make sure every other filesystem was
+reachable from it, using bind mount if needed. You've got some more
+detailed explanations here:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS</A>
+
+According to official NFS wiki, it seems this is no longer needed, and
+than the implementation handle it automagically for you:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories">http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories</A>
+
+&gt;<i> I removed 'fsid=0', restarted, and all is well. I
+</I>&gt;<i> can see all my data!
+</I>Well, you'd better check if you're actually using NFSv4, and not a older
+version, if you want optimal performances.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #314:
+
+You need to upgrade your VESA local bus to a MasterCard local bus.
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+<PRE>Le 01/10/2012 22:34, AL13N a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hah! suddenly I have /home/anne/ on 192.168.0.40 and it's readable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's obviously an improvement, but I still need the Data1 directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tree. Root can umount it. It shows every sign of being mounted, yet
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't read any of it. All the data there is owned anne:users so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shouldn't be a permissions issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> user ids and names still need to be the same on both systems. (or somehow
+</I>&gt;<i> mapped; which is what v4 has more than v3; but i never used v4)
+</I>With NFSv2/3: only uids matters
+With NFSv4: only names matters, but rpc.idmapd has to be running on both
+side.
+
+&gt;<i> also, root typically has no access to nfs exports, you need to be regular
+</I>&gt;<i> user, (unless you specify the root_no_squash options, or similar)
+</I>He can access the filesystem, but he's mapped to uid 65534, unless
+no_root_squash option has been specified on user side. See exports(5)
+for details.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #291:
+
+Due to the CDA, we no longer have a root account.
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+<PRE>PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi ! Happy packagers...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm trying to build some missing rpms that exist in Mandriva-contrib but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not yet in Mageia... (most of them concern Computer Aided Music)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gigedit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> qsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linuxsampler depends on gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gigedit and qsampler depend on linuxsampler
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I use the same spec files and sources and patches as in Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (with minor cosmetic changes)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's OK for gig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm having problem with linuxsampler that could be built for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva2010.2 but that can't be with Mageia2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I get several times this kind of message when running rpmbuild -ba
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (before it aborts) :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ../src/plugins/.libs/liblinuxsamplerplugins.a(InstrumentEditorFactory.o): In
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> function `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ../src/common/.libs/liblinuxsamplercommon.a(Path.o): In function
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> `__exchange_and_add_dispatch':
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mageia-linux-gnu/4.6.3/../../../../include/c++/4.6.3/ext/atomicity.h:80:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> undefined reference to `pthread_cancel'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What may cause this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libpthread-2.1.14-1.so is of course present and linked in /lib/ and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /lib/i686
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but there's an empty libpthread.so file in /usr/lib/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (same as in Mandriva) does it induces any confusion ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any idea ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for your help...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Philippe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last news ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to your help and patience and pedagogy
+</I>&gt;<i> I could package :
+</I>&gt;<i> gig
+</I>&gt;<i> liblscp
+</I>&gt;<i> linuwsampler
+</I>&gt;<i> and test them ... OK !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it's not enough :
+</I>&gt;<i> I could package
+</I>&gt;<i> Qsampler too (a GUI for linuxsampler which is useless without a GUI)
+</I>&gt;<i> But Qsampler sometimes segfaults... it's a known upstream bug which is
+</I>&gt;<i> not yet fixed ! (it worked well with the previous versions of qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> provided by Mandriva 2010.2) I don't think it's nice to provide it now
+</I>&gt;<i> as it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can provide the spec and patches files through bugzilla in package
+</I>&gt;<i> requests
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it's useless without a working and safe GUI ...
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone want to test them (knowing that it is not ready to use)
+</I>&gt;<i> May I use the package request in spite of this errors perhaps with a
+</I>&gt;<i> warning ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nevertheless we can use an opensource java interface (provided by the
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler team)
+</I>&gt;<i> I tested it : there's no segfault
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Two way to package it :
+</I>&gt;<i> - simply provide a platform independent Java executable (already built
+</I>&gt;<i> by linuxsampler team, tested and working with Mageia's JRE ) with a
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop file and the jar file in a easy to create rpm... but not
+</I>&gt;<i> providing the source code
+</I>&gt;<i> - build a package from sources with the Mageia's openJDK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the Mageia policy about jar files ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last but not least I'm still stuck with gigedit
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems to be an autoconfigure problem
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any volunteer (need to have built and installed gig, liblscp and
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxsampler first)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I could build everything with the last svn revision ... only need a
+patch for LinuxSampler
+The spec files and patches can be found in bugzilla
+bug 7575, bug 7576, bug 7579, bug 7580, bug 7581, bug 7639.
+If you want to try :
+you need to build and install the rpms in this order :
+gig
+liblscp
+lv2
+linuxsampler
+gigedit
+qsampler
+
+NB
+I don't use a buildsystem...
+I have several devel packages installed =&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/1, nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, package has been removed. You can resubmit it now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you also remove the splits:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ocaml-mascot-lib-1.0beta-4.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> ocaml-mascot-lib-devel-1.0beta-4.mga3
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+Ok, removed.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 01/10/12 18:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Replace nfs with autofs in those lines?
+</I>&gt;<i> No, that means dropping any nfs filesystem entry in your /etc/fstab, and
+</I>&gt;<i> configuring autofs daemon instead. But that's off-topic right now...
+</I>
+While off-topic, I think you can make this a magic autofs entry without
+using the full autofs - Just add the &quot;x-systemd.automount&quot; option.
+
+Don't try this right now tho', best get everything working nicely first.
+But something for the future perhaps (not tried it myself).
+
+Col
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 01/10/12 21:41 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> With NFSv4, the server remaps its actual filesystem (/home, for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance) in a pseudo-filesystem, which is seen by clients as a root
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem (/ here). Consider it as some kind of implicit chroot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With earlier implementations, you had to explicitely mark one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> filesystem as the root one, and make sure every other filesystem was
+</I>&gt;<i> reachable from it, using bind mount if needed. You've got some more
+</I>&gt;<i> detailed explanations here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to official NFS wiki, it seems this is no longer needed, and
+</I>&gt;<i> than the implementation handle it automagically for you:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories">http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I removed 'fsid=0', restarted, and all is well. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can see all my data!
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, you'd better check if you're actually using NFSv4, and not a older
+</I>&gt;<i> version, if you want optimal performances.
+</I>
+FWIW, I found I needed fsid=0 on my media center's chroot export when
+using an NFS root boot (server + client both mga2).
+
+Without fsid=0 root was mapped to 65534 which caused numerous issues
+when booting :)
+
+Never did work out the full reasons, so I probably need to read those
+specs a bit.
+
+Col
+
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+On 02/10/12 02:31, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 01/10/12 21:41 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With NFSv4, the server remaps its actual filesystem (/home, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instance) in a pseudo-filesystem, which is seen by clients as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> root filesystem (/ here). Consider it as some kind of implicit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chroot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With earlier implementations, you had to explicitely mark one of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the filesystem as the root one, and make sure every other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem was reachable from it, using bind mount if needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You've got some more detailed explanations here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to official NFS wiki, it seems this is no longer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed, and than the implementation handle it automagically for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories">http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>I removed 'fsid=0', restarted, and all is well. I
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can see all my data!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, you'd better check if you're actually using NFSv4, and not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a older version, if you want optimal performances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I found I needed fsid=0 on my media center's chroot export
+</I>&gt;<i> when using an NFS root boot (server + client both mga2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without fsid=0 root was mapped to 65534 which caused numerous
+</I>&gt;<i> issues when booting :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Never did work out the full reasons, so I probably need to read
+</I>&gt;<i> those specs a bit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hmm - haven't tried rebooting since I got it going last thing
+yesterday. Perhaps the trick is to make another mount with fsid=0?
+I'll play with this and your other suggestion in a day or two, when
+I've got over the novelty of having things working again :-D
+
+Strange, though, that things were so different in CentOS and
+Scientific Linux, both of which claimed to be using nfs4. That's what
+caused my confusion.
+
+Anne
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+The case of faac package has been discussed several times already:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html</A>
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+So far, the conclusion was than we had no perfect solution to handle the
+case of a software being having both licensing and patents issue,
+whereas usually software only suffer from one of these problems only,
+and than creating a dedicated 4th repository was unreasonable. Hence the
+removal of the package from the mirrors (but not from our svn...).
+
+Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+think it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look for a
+pragmatic solution rather than a merely bureaucratic one. So far, I
+didn't see anything in the line of &quot;we don't want to distribute it&quot;,
+rather &quot;we don't know how to do it&quot;...
+
+For me, the simplest solution is just to decide between non-free and
+tainted repository where this piece of code fits better (or sucks less),
+eventually document the exception somewhere on the wiki, and stop
+getting blocked eternally by our own rules...
+--
+BOFH excuse #132:
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The case of faac package has been discussed several times already:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, the conclusion was than we had no perfect solution to handle the
+</I>&gt;<i> case of a software being having both licensing and patents issue,
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas usually software only suffer from one of these problems only,
+</I>&gt;<i> and than creating a dedicated 4th repository was unreasonable. Hence the
+</I>&gt;<i> removal of the package from the mirrors (but not from our svn...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;<i> think it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look for a
+</I>&gt;<i> pragmatic solution rather than a merely bureaucratic one. So far, I
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't see anything in the line of &quot;we don't want to distribute it&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather &quot;we don't know how to do it&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, the simplest solution is just to decide between non-free and
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted repository where this piece of code fits better (or sucks less),
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually document the exception somewhere on the wiki, and stop
+</I>&gt;<i> getting blocked eternally by our own rules...
+</I>
+Look at the closed bugs containing the word faac... there are other
+programs than cinerella
+
+Anyway Blogdrake repo proposes a faac rpm ...
+If we need a Third Party Repo we could ask them to provide rpms built
+with faac (the spec files are ready for this)
+look at bug 2833 to get the list of rpms that may be built with faac
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Replace nfs with autofs in those lines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, that means dropping any nfs filesystem entry in your /etc/fstab, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuring autofs daemon instead. But that's off-topic right now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While off-topic, I think you can make this a magic autofs entry without
+</I>&gt;<i> using the full autofs - Just add the &quot;x-systemd.automount&quot; option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't try this right now tho', best get everything working nicely first.
+</I>&gt;<i> But something for the future perhaps (not tried it myself).
+</I>
+hmm, is this like automagically mounting it when you get into this network
+and unmount when you leave the network?
+
+i've been looking for something like this for my wife's laptop...
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With NFSv4, the server remaps its actual filesystem (/home, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instance) in a pseudo-filesystem, which is seen by clients as a root
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem (/ here). Consider it as some kind of implicit chroot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With earlier implementations, you had to explicitely mark one of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filesystem as the root one, and make sure every other filesystem was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reachable from it, using bind mount if needed. You've got some more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> detailed explanations here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NFS</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> According to official NFS wiki, it seems this is no longer needed, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than the implementation handle it automagically for you:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories">http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/Nfsv4_configuration#Exporting_directories</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I removed 'fsid=0', restarted, and all is well. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can see all my data!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, you'd better check if you're actually using NFSv4, and not a older
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version, if you want optimal performances.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FWIW, I found I needed fsid=0 on my media center's chroot export when
+</I>&gt;<i> using an NFS root boot (server + client both mga2).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without fsid=0 root was mapped to 65534 which caused numerous issues
+</I>&gt;<i> when booting :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Never did work out the full reasons, so I probably need to read those
+</I>&gt;<i> specs a bit.
+</I>
+FWIW: my mga2 server and mga1 chrooted client don't need fsid=0 . but then
+i'm using nfsver=3; don't want to be using nfsv4
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+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> For me, the simplest solution is just to decide between non-free and
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+</I>&gt;<i> eventually document the exception somewhere on the wiki, and stop
+</I>&gt;<i> getting blocked eternally by our own rules...
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+i agree.
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+&gt;<i> FWIW: my mga2 server and mga1 chrooted client don't need fsid=0 . but then
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm using nfsver=3; don't want to be using nfsv4
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Look at the closed bugs containing the word faac... there are other
+</I>&gt;<i> programs than cinerella
+</I>
+But none as mature, as powerful. But that's beside the point anyway.
+
+&gt;<i> Anyway Blogdrake repo proposes a faac rpm ...
+</I>
+Never heard of blogdrake, seems to be a Spanish-only site...
+
+I don't understand the difference between tainted and non-free anyway
+(without reading definitions what goes into what repo), and I guess
+most users don't either.
+
+and BTW:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/notes/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/notes/</A> reads:
+######
+The Tainted repository includes packages under various licenses, free
+and nonfree ones, but the main criteria for packages in this
+repository is that they may infringe patents and copyright laws in
+some countries in the world (e.g. multimedia codecs needed to play
+various audio/video files, packages needed to play commercial video
+DVD&#8230; etc);
+[...]
+######
+So I absolutely don't understand why there is so much fuzz about this
+topic/so much contradiction. There already was a sane definition.
+
+non-free is a misnomer. It should be named after what the mass of
+users cares about, whether it is free &amp; &quot;safe&quot; to use or whether it
+might cause problems.
+
+So tainted is the right repo to put it in.
+
+Change the definition back to that of Mageia 1 and you're done.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;<i> think it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look for a
+</I>&gt;<i> pragmatic solution rather than a merely bureaucratic one.
+</I>
+I read the links, but I think the discussion would benefit from a
+statement of exactly why people don't want nonfree software in tainted.
+
+At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+PLF, i. e. we'll put this stuff in there because it's legal where we
+are, and you decide whether you want to mirror it and make your own
+decision as to whether you want to use it. I thought the whole point
+was to segregate tainted stuff from everything else so that mirror
+maintainers could avoid tainted yet still mirror the mainstream repos.
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+If that's true, and tainted is just a dumping ground for stuff that we
+have legal or philosophical problems putting anywhere else, then I don't
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+&gt;<i> On 10/02/2012 04:03 AM, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look for a pragmatic solution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather than a merely bureaucratic one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I read the links, but I think the discussion would benefit from a statement
+</I>&gt;<i> of exactly why people don't want nonfree software in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+</I>&gt;<i> PLF, i. e. we'll put this stuff in there because it's legal where we are,
+</I>&gt;<i> and you decide whether you want to mirror it and make your own decision as
+</I>&gt;<i> to whether you want to use it. I thought the whole point was to segregate
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted stuff from everything else so that mirror maintainers could avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted yet still mirror the mainstream repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's true, and tainted is just a dumping ground for stuff that we have
+</I>&gt;<i> legal or philosophical problems putting anywhere else, then I don't get the
+</I>&gt;<i> free/nonfree issue.
+</I>
+We have software in 4 different flavors:
+1. free software (FOSS), most of them distributed under any of the GPL versions
+2. non-free software, meaning they can not distributed under such
+licenses as the GPL. Mostly it's closed source software (like firmware
+for devices like graphic cards or some wifi chips)
+3. tainted software, this is cost-free but patented software. In
+countries which obey software patents (like USA) it is not allowed to
+be distributed.
+4. then there is software which is non-free AND tainted.
+
+Of course this special point #4 is a bit bureaucratic. As &quot;tainted&quot;
+(aka patented) is the stronger restriction than non-free we should
+also place faac into &quot;tainted&quot; as it matches the sentence from the
+MGA1 notes anyway (as quoted in Christian's mail).
+
+In any way I agree that this more or less academical dispute about
+faac should not make it impossible to make faac available.
+
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have software in 4 different flavors:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. free software (FOSS), most of them distributed under any of the GPL versions
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. non-free software, meaning they can not distributed under such
+</I>&gt;<i> licenses as the GPL. Mostly it's closed source software (like firmware
+</I>&gt;<i> for devices like graphic cards or some wifi chips)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. tainted software, this is cost-free but patented software. In
+</I>&gt;<i> countries which obey software patents (like USA) it is not allowed to
+</I>&gt;<i> be distributed.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. then there is software which is non-free AND tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course this special point #4 is a bit bureaucratic. As &quot;tainted&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> (aka patented) is the stronger restriction than non-free we should
+</I>&gt;<i> also place faac into &quot;tainted&quot; as it matches the sentence from the
+</I>&gt;<i> MGA1 notes anyway (as quoted in Christian's mail).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any way I agree that this more or less academical dispute about
+</I>&gt;<i> faac should not make it impossible to make faac available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's my point. I get that the official definition says that tainted
+stuff should be FOSS. I just don't understand WHY that restriction is
+of interest to anybody.
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+&gt;<i> At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+</I>&gt;<i> PLF,
+</I>
+PLF had both free and non-free repo's.
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+&quot;least bad&quot; solution, then there needs to be a way for FOSS enthusiasts
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+&gt;<i> On 02/10/2012 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PLF,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PLF had both free and non-free repo's.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you include both free and non-free in tainted, which is probably the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;least bad&quot; solution, then there needs to be a way for FOSS enthusiasts (who
+</I>&gt;<i> choose to do so) to avoid the non-free packages - perhaps a statement in the
+</I>&gt;<i> package description would suffice.
+</I>
+Well, are you saying that tainted includes free packages although they
+are subject to a patent? 'cause that's the only reason I could think
+of a FOSS enthousiast would like them to be separated from the
+non-free packages in &quot;tainted&quot;. Or the other way 'round.
+IMHO a package is &quot;not free&quot; anyway as soon as it qualifies for
+&quot;tainted&quot; - whatever reason.
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+That's why I call the distinction &quot;beaurocratic&quot; and the discussion &quot;academic&quot;
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+&gt;<i> perhaps a statement in the package description would suffice.
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+There should be a clear difference in the tree. A description is not enouch.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 02/10/2012 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PLF,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PLF had both free and non-free repo's.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you include both free and non-free in tainted, which is probably the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;least bad&quot; solution, then there needs to be a way for FOSS enthusiasts (who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choose to do so) to avoid the non-free packages - perhaps a statement in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package description would suffice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, are you saying that tainted includes free packages although they
+</I>&gt;<i> are subject to a patent?
+</I>
+Yes. Those are the only packages that are included at present in
+tainted. The fact that a package includes software that may be
+encumbered by patent claims does not make it non-free.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:03, James Kerr wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps a statement in the package description would suffice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There should be a clear difference in the tree. A description is not enouch.
+</I>
+Says who? You alone?
+
+With tainted, you need to check each individual package anyway before
+installing, to check whether whatever reason it is put into tainted
+does affect you.
+
+What about asking uses via a poll whether they actually need the
+distinction of a separate tree.
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+I surely don't.
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+ciao
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+&gt;<i> On 02/10/2012 13:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 02/10/2012 12:26, Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> At least for my part, I always viewed tainted as being the equivalent of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PLF,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PLF had both free and non-free repo's.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you include both free and non-free in tainted, which is probably the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;least bad&quot; solution, then there needs to be a way for FOSS enthusiasts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (who
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> choose to do so) to avoid the non-free packages - perhaps a statement in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> package description would suffice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, are you saying that tainted includes free packages although they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are subject to a patent?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. Those are the only packages that are included at present in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact that a package includes software that may be encumbered by patent
+</I>&gt;<i> claims does not make it non-free.
+</I>
+Oops, sorry, I just realize that my question reads just the opposite
+of what I wanted to say (damn foreign langauge! :) To make my position
+clearer:
+
+IMHO a package is not free when it is subject to a patent. It may be
+not &quot;non-free&quot; per definition of &quot;non-free software&quot; but is not free
+nevertheless when it bears any restrictions because of patents or (in
+some countries) legal issues.
+
+It is a difference by strict definition but it makes no difference in
+practical terms and usage.
+
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+&gt;<i> IMHO a package is &quot;not free&quot; anyway as soon as it qualifies for
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+That is subject to jurisdiction. I happen to live in a country where software patents doesn't apply. Therefore patented software is Free software in my country. And I believe that is the situation in several european countries, and other countries around the world. Even FSF and Stallman says this. If the software is not patented in &quot;your&quot; country, it is Free software in &quot;your&quot; country.
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+And up until now, I've had the impression that this is the difference between the tainted and nonfree repos. And we should keep it this way.
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+As to what we should do with packages that are both patented and proprietary, I seriously do not see the problem of having them in the nonfree tree.
+Patented or not, they are Nonfree software, and therefore belong in the nonfree tree. If we should further distinguish between nonfree and patented nonfree, then we should do that inside the nonfree tree.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO a package is &quot;not free&quot; anyway as soon as it qualifies for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot; - whatever reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is subject to jurisdiction. I happen to live in a country where software patents doesn't apply. Therefore patented software is Free software in my country. And I believe that is the situation in several european countries, and other countries around the world. Even FSF and Stallman says this. If the software is not patented in &quot;your&quot; country, it is Free software in &quot;your&quot; country.
+</I>
+Yes, that's correct. But we should look at the reason why we decided
+to have this &quot;tainted&quot; repositiry in the first place (was decided
+after a lengthy discussion right at the beginning). We have it because
+Mageia is not only for those countries who do not recognize software
+patents, it is for the whole world.
+
+The &quot;tainted&quot; repository was implemented to make it easy for those who
+do live in countries like USA and others to be able to avoid this
+software which may be illegal in their country. The alternative would
+be for them to have to search the whole &quot;core&quot; repository for such
+software to be able to avoid it. Same goes for mirrors - we
+implemented the &quot;tainted&quot; repo to make it easy for mirror maintainers
+to offer this software on their servers or not. We give them the
+opportunity of easy distinction, what they actually do is up to them.
+
+If all Mageia users were living in France or the same kind of
+jurisdiction we would not need the tainted repo at all.
+
+So, the reason we have tainted is not caused by any official
+definitions but it is a service for users and mirror maintainers who
+are not as lucky as you and me.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 02 October 2012 14:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO a package is &quot;not free&quot; anyway as soon as it qualifies for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;tainted&quot; - whatever reason.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is subject to jurisdiction. I happen to live in a country where software patents doesn't apply. Therefore patented software is Free software in my country. And I believe that is the situation in several european countries, and other countries around the world. Even FSF and Stallman says this. If the software is not patented in &quot;your&quot; country, it is Free software in &quot;your&quot; country.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, we have repos all over the world, so we adapt then to least common
+dominator... if a software is subject to a software patent,
+it ends up in /tainted regardless of what happends to be the law
+in your country.
+
+&gt;<i> And up until now, I've had the impression that this is the difference between the tainted and nonfree repos. And we should keep it this way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is... _any_ package with patent issues ends up in /tainted
+
+&gt;<i> As to what we should do with packages that are both patented and proprietary, I seriously do not see the problem of having them in the nonfree tree.
+</I>&gt;<i> Patented or not, they are Nonfree software, and therefore belong in the nonfree tree. If we should further distinguish between nonfree and patented nonfree, then we should do that inside the nonfree tree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's your view.
+
+For those that live in countries affected by software patents, they see
+it the other way, so they want it in tainted as that is the
+&quot;problematic&quot; part. the nonfree part does not make them break the law.
+
+So for them &quot;distinguish between nonfree and patented nonfree, then we
+should do that inside the tainted tree&quot;...
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+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu skrev 2.10.2012 16:35:
+</I>&gt;<i> if a software is subject to a software patent, it ends up in /tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> regardless of what happends to be the law in your country.
+</I>
+That was my point. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; And up until now, I've had the impression that this is the difference between the tainted and nonfree repos. And we should keep it this way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is... _any_ package with patent issues ends up in /tainted
+</I>
+Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't.
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories</A>
+That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted.
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted</A>
+Current policy states that nonfree packages are Not allowed in tainted. That includes patented nonfree packages.
+
+According to this thread, the discussion is what should happen with nonfree packages that is also tainted with patents.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; As to what we should do with packages that are both patented and proprietary, I seriously do not see the problem of having them in the nonfree tree.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patented or not, they are Nonfree software, and therefore belong in the nonfree tree. If we should further distinguish between nonfree and patented nonfree, then we should do that inside the nonfree tree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's your view.
+</I>
+Yes it is. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> For those that live in countries affected by software patents, they see
+</I>&gt;<i> it the other way, so they want it in tainted as that is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;problematic&quot; part. the nonfree part does not make them break the law.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for them &quot;distinguish between nonfree and patented nonfree, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> should do that inside the tainted tree&quot;...
+</I>
+Then we also need to change current guidelines as to what goes in tainted.
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Current policy states that nonfree packages are Not allowed in tainted. That includes patented nonfree packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we also need to change current guidelines as to what goes in tainted.
+</I>
+This is exactly why we are discussing it here ! :)
+These guidelines were set when this special case (faac) did not come
+to mind. When it did, this discussion started.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 02/10/12 11:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 01/10/12 18:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Last, you'd better use autofs to mount those filesystems on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> demand, rather than hardcoding them in /etc/fstab, which avoid to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relies on server availability during the boot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Replace nfs with autofs in those lines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, that means dropping any nfs filesystem entry in your /etc/fstab, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuring autofs daemon instead. But that's off-topic right now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While off-topic, I think you can make this a magic autofs entry without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using the full autofs - Just add the &quot;x-systemd.automount&quot; option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't try this right now tho', best get everything working nicely first.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But something for the future perhaps (not tried it myself).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hmm, is this like automagically mounting it when you get into this network
+</I>&gt;<i> and unmount when you leave the network?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've been looking for something like this for my wife's laptop...
+</I>
+Sadly not. Just run of the mill automounting.
+
+I'd kinda like a similar thing too.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+As isos are not finalized yet for alpha 2, I will not attend the
+meeting. Still some isos to build for QA (in case they get bored with a
+too small todo list :))
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+So see you next week. As usual you mail here also to speak about one topic.
+
+Cheers
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos
+that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+satisfy most of Mageia users.
+
+Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+
+2 liveCDs:
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+ - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+ - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+
+These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+
+4 liveDVDs:
+
+ - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+ - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+ - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+ - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+
+Classic Installation ISOs
+
+ - LXDE DualCD - all locales - Free only
+ - DVD i586 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+ - DVD x86_64 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+
+DVDs will propose by default 100% free software installation. Users will
+be asked if he wants to use non free drivers. This is still to be done
+inside drakx installer and will not be available yet for alpha 2 release.
+
+Cheers
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Jehan Pag&#232;s</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Kernel%203.4.11%20patched%20with%20Wacom%20Intuos%205%20supported%0A%20%28wacom%20driver%20backported%20from%203.5.4%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAFgjPJ-PsgP%2BAYJw%3DPTGMQ3QUMv1ZvxaF5n27oQLjKzmuPqX2Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Hi Thomas,
+
+we had this discussion earlier on dev list
+(<A HREF="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/18602/focus=18623">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel/18602/focus=18623</A>)
+where you told me that there is plan to pass Mageia 2 from the 3.3.8
+kernel (reaching end of life) to 3.4 branch.
+I assumed you meant 3.4.11 which is currently the stable one.
+
+And as the discussion was about backporting the support of the Wacom
+Intuos 5 into 3.4 (on vanilla, support started on 3.5), I decided to
+test the backport.
+You will find on Bugzilla the ticket, with a patch here:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7659">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7659</A>
+
+I personally applied this patch on kernel.org 3.4.11 archive, compiled
+a vanilla kernel and have been testing it on my desktop for the last
+24 hours. Compiled fine. Up to now no unexpected kernel panic, or
+whatever. And Intuos 5 worked on my Mageia 2 running this kernel.
+Would it be possible to apply it in the spec file for kernel-desktop
+(kernel-rt would be great too!)? That would be awesome and would make
+Mageia the Linux distribution for professional graphists. :-)
+
+I will obviously personally run daily the RPM with this patch to
+ensure before finale release to be sure it does not make bad things,
+and will report any issue. :-)
+Thanks a lot.
+
+Jehan
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos that
+</I>&gt;<i> will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy most of Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>
+What about events and newspapers outside of the USA and UK? You don't
+expect us (for ex: in Germany) to demonstrate Mageia in a foreign
+language or German magazines to distribute cover cds with Mageia in a
+foreign language? Of course this goes for all other countries as well.
+
+This proposal may have received a majority of &quot;votes&quot; because
+residents of USA and UK are the majority of participants in the
+mailing list. Everybody else (the majority of Mageia promoters) would
+have no live cds but will need to use the DVDs.
+
+Pls consider instead cds which cover the main languages (English,
+French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portoguese). EN covering North
+America and India, Spanish+Portoguese covering all of South America,
+French and English covering most of Africa, all 6 covering most of
+Europe. Which make at least more than 2 of the 3 major areas instead
+of North America and UK.
+
+Before there were live cds (700MB) with 6 and more langages, so a cd
+with these 6 instead of one language would not make a difference, or
+will Mageia 3 need that much more space than Mageia 2?
+
+&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Classic Installation ISOs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - LXDE DualCD - all locales - Free only
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD i586 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD x86_64 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DVDs will propose by default 100% free software installation. Users will be
+</I>&gt;<i> asked if he wants to use non free drivers. This is still to be done inside
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx installer and will not be available yet for alpha 2 release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2012 17:58:03 schreef Anne Nicolas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy most of Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Classic Installation ISOs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - LXDE DualCD - all locales - Free only
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD i586 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD x86_64 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DVDs will propose by default 100% free software installation. Users will
+</I>&gt;<i> be asked if he wants to use non free drivers. This is still to be done
+</I>&gt;<i> inside drakx installer and will not be available yet for alpha 2 release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+would it be possible to adapt the dualCD to have eng only and some
+network/raid firmwares instead? (not all nonfree)
+
+all locales on the dual arch which is for advanced users only seems not
+necessary to me...
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+<PRE>HI Anne, *,
+
+On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>
+Not happy with this solution.
+DVDs / the full set of packages is so *not* needed.
+
+Downoad 4GB just to have 3GB obsoleted in a few months. :-((
+
+Just create USB-editions of the english only media with additional languages.
+
+So what fits into 700MB en-US only, will fit into &lt;1GB for all languages.
+
+As was written numerous times: Most people don't burn actual CDs
+anymore, but rather put the image onto usb-sticks.
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+<PRE>02.10.2012 21:37, Christian Lohmaier skrev:
+&gt;<i> HI Anne, *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not happy with this solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> DVDs / the full set of packages is so *not* needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actally the DVD part is because we go over 700M...
+(so no &quot;CD&quot; format anymore)
+
+It does not mean we will make 4G liveDVD
+(wich might be ~16G installed size)
+
+&gt;<i> Downoad 4GB just to have 3GB obsoleted in a few months. :-((
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just create USB-editions of the english only media with additional languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what fits into 700MB en-US only, will fit into &lt;1GB for all languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Current liveDVD images are around 1G with all languages,
+and that is somewhat matching what we will ship ...
+but final size depends on package selection...
+
+&gt;<i> As was written numerous times: Most people don't burn actual CDs
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore, but rather put the image onto usb-sticks.
+</I>
+Actually people do both...
+
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What about having an option in the installer to download and install
+additional languages (don't know if this is already possible) ?
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+--
+Juancho
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>
+As everybody can see from the afore mentioned discussion as well as by
+the answers to this announcement it is not possible to cater to each
+and everybody's needs &amp; wishes.
+
+The solution for everybody (makers and users) would be a &quot;Joe
+User-friendly&quot; way to roll your own, ideal would be a GUI but CLI is
+also possible. Maybe a script which
+ - lists all packages including dependencies (as the individual
+packages selection does) so you can pack a customized live CD
+ - including the system related stuff with hardware recognition and
+drivers (as a normal live cd)
+ - including the &quot;installer from live system to harddisk&quot;
+ - at the end of the package selection hands out the size of the ISO
+
+And at the end it wraps up everything resulting in a customized Mageia live cd.
+
+This way Mageia would only have to distribute even less ISOs than
+currently planned (saving QA time) and everybody can roll his/her own
+flavor, depending on the purpose (showing and hand-out at events, in
+your environment, for special projects, etc.)
+
+I know that there is a way to do this already but I'm talking about a
+userfriendly &quot;interactive tool&quot; for the not so experienced. Looking at
+the work&amp;time Mageia could save in future it may be a reasonable
+suggestion.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As everybody can see from the afore mentioned discussion as well as by
+</I>&gt;<i> the answers to this announcement it is not possible to cater to each
+</I>&gt;<i> and everybody's needs &amp; wishes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And at the end it wraps up everything resulting in a customized Mageia live cd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This way Mageia would only have to distribute even less ISOs than
+</I>&gt;<i> currently planned (saving QA time) and everybody can roll his/her own
+</I>&gt;<i> flavor, depending on the purpose (showing and hand-out at events, in
+</I>&gt;<i> your environment, for special projects, etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that there is a way to do this already but I'm talking about a
+</I>&gt;<i> userfriendly &quot;interactive tool&quot; for the not so experienced. Looking at
+</I>&gt;<i> the work&amp;time Mageia could save in future it may be a reasonable
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I fail to see how it would be better from a QA point of view, since
+the purpose of this change is to decrease the number of ISOs that we
+have to test to ensure that Mageia works as intended... Should we make
+a blog post saying &#8220;Hey guys it took too much time to test all the
+LiveCDs and DVDs we used to ship previously, so now we don't provide
+any medium and you just have to make your own... of course we can't
+ensure the distribution will behave as intended because we didn't test
+it :)&#8221;?
+
+But I guess I may have misunderstood your point.
+Though if it is really about letting people create their own customs
+ISOs instead of using ours, I fail to see how it could be more
+user-friendly that having to download a 1 GB LiveDVD and to burn it or
+dump it on a USB key. I suppose most end-users would just freak out
+when they see that they have to do most of the job by themselves. At
+least I would.
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I guess I may have misunderstood your point.
+</I>
+Yes, you did :)
+
+1. My proposal was in no way ro replace all ISOs. There must be some
+&quot;master&quot; ISOs which went through Mageia QA and are distributed as
+&quot;official&quot; ISOs. But the number of different ISOs can be reduced
+further than currently planned.
+
+2. Of course one who wants to create a custom ISO has to install
+Mageia first - this he could do using the smallest way there is,
+another live cd, no matter which flavor.
+
+But the advantage is, from this one download and installation he can
+produce any flavor for any purpose he wants. Example:
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+I would only need one English live cd. From this I could install the
+system. And then I could create
+ - live cd with German with the DE of my choice and the software of my
+personal choice
+ - live cd in German for German events and to demonstrate to friends
+ - live cd in German for a magazine, customized to their wishes,
+etc.
+
+All this also helps to keep everybody satisfied, not only the part who
+is satisfied with the original Mageia ISOs. As such it would reduce
+work for Mageia.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I guess I may have misunderstood your point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you did :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. My proposal was in no way ro replace all ISOs. There must be some
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;master&quot; ISOs which went through Mageia QA and are distributed as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;official&quot; ISOs. But the number of different ISOs can be reduced
+</I>&gt;<i> further than currently planned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Of course one who wants to create a custom ISO has to install
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia first - this he could do using the smallest way there is,
+</I>&gt;<i> another live cd, no matter which flavor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But the advantage is, from this one download and installation he can
+</I>&gt;<i> produce any flavor for any purpose he wants. Example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would only need one English live cd. From this I could install the
+</I>&gt;<i> system. And then I could create
+</I>&gt;<i> - live cd with German with the DE of my choice and the software of my
+</I>&gt;<i> personal choice
+</I>&gt;<i> - live cd in German for German events and to demonstrate to friends
+</I>&gt;<i> - live cd in German for a magazine, customized to their wishes,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All this also helps to keep everybody satisfied, not only the part who
+</I>&gt;<i> is satisfied with the original Mageia ISOs. As such it would reduce
+</I>&gt;<i> work for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+Danke f&#252;r die Erkl&#228;rung :)
+
+Then that makes sense and I can see your point. The &#8220;Live-CD
+generator&#8221; would be used by advanced users, e.g. by Mageia
+contributors wanting to create a set of German LiveCDs for the
+LinuxTag in Berlin, and the average users could still download our
+tested ISOs with all locales on the LiveDVDs / DVDs or in English on
+the LiveCDs.
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+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Current policy states that nonfree packages are Not allowed in tainted. That includes patented nonfree packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then we also need to change current guidelines as to what goes in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is exactly why we are discussing it here ! :)
+</I>&gt;<i> These guidelines were set when this special case (faac) did not come
+</I>&gt;<i> to mind. When it did, this discussion started.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To sumarize : ;)
+
+1) Core repo = opensource and free softwares without any patent problem
+in any country : OK for FOSS zealous users
+opensource licences =
+ Academic Free License 3.0 (AFL-3.0)
+ Affero GNU Public License: See &quot;GNU Affero General Public License
+3.0 (AGPL-3.0)&quot;
+ Adaptive Public License (APL-1.0)
+ Apache License 2.0 (Apache-2.0)
+ Apple Public Source License (APSL-2.0)
+ Artistic license 2.0 (Artistic-2.0)
+ Attribution Assurance Licenses (AAL)
+ BSD 3-Clause &quot;New&quot; or &quot;Revised&quot; License (BSD-3-Clause)
+ BSD 2-Clause &quot;Simplified&quot; or &quot;FreeBSD&quot; License (BSD-2-Clause)
+ Boost Software License (BSL-1.0)
+ Computer Associates Trusted Open Source License 1.1 (CATOSL-1.1)
+ Common Development and Distribution License 1.0 (CDDL-1.0)
+ Common Public Attribution License 1.0 (CPAL-1.0)
+ CUA Office Public License Version 1.0 (CUA-OPL-1.0)
+ EU DataGrid Software License (EUDatagrid)
+ Eclipse Public License 1.0 (EPL-1.0)
+ Educational Community License, Version 2.0 (ECL-2.0)
+ Eiffel Forum License V2.0 (EFL-2.0)
+ Entessa Public License (Entessa)
+ European Union Public License, Version 1.1 (EUPL-1.1) (links to
+every language's version on their site)
+ Fair License (FAIR)
+ Frameworx License (Frameworx-1.0)
+ GNU Affero General Public License v3 (AGPL-3.0)
+ GNU General Public License version 2.0 (GPL-2.0)
+ GNU General Public License version 3.0 (GPL-3.0)
+ GNU Library or &quot;Lesser&quot; General Public License version 2.1 (LGPL-2.1)
+ GNU Library or &quot;Lesser&quot; General Public License version 3.0 (LGPL-3.0)
+ Historical Permission Notice and Disclaimer (HPND)
+ IBM Public License 1.0 (IPL-1.0)
+ IPA Font License (IPA)
+ ISC License (ISC)
+ LaTeX Project Public License 1.3c (LPPL-1.3c)
+ Lucent Public License Version 1.02 (LPL-1.02)
+ MirOS Licence (MirOS)
+ Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL)
+ Microsoft Reciprocal License (Ms-RL)
+ MIT license (MIT)
+ Motosoto License (Motosoto)
+ Mozilla Public License 2.0 (MPL-2.0)
+ Multics License (Multics)
+ NASA Open Source Agreement 1.3 (NASA 1.3)
+ NTP License (NTP)
+ Naumen Public License (Naumen)
+ Nethack General Public License (NGPL)
+ Nokia Open Source License (Nokia)
+ Non-Profit Open Software License 3.0 (NPOSL-3.0)
+ OCLC Research Public License 2.0 (OCLC-2.0)
+ Open Font License 1.1 (OFL 1.1)
+ Open Group Test Suite License (OGTSL)
+ Open Software License 3.0 (OSL-3.0)
+ PHP License 3.0 (PHP-3.0)
+ The PostgreSQL License (PostgreSQL)
+ Python License (Python-2.0) (overall Python license)
+ CNRI Python license (CNRI-Python) (CNRI portion of Python License)
+ Q Public License (QPL-1.0)
+ RealNetworks Public Source License V1.0 (RPSL-1.0)
+ Reciprocal Public License 1.5 (RPL-1.5)
+ Ricoh Source Code Public License (RSCPL)
+ Simple Public License 2.0 (SimPL-2.0)
+ Sleepycat License (Sleepycat)
+ Sun Public License 1.0 (SPL-1.0)
+ Sybase Open Watcom Public License 1.0 (Watcom-1.0)
+ University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License (NCSA)
+ Vovida Software License v. 1.0 (VSL-1.0)
+ W3C License (W3C)
+ wxWindows Library License (WXwindows)
+ X.Net License (Xnet)
+ Zope Public License 2.0 (ZPL-2.0)
+ zlib/libpng license (Zlib)
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+And perhaps some other forgotten licenses
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+
+2) Non free repo = freedom of use, but proprietary and not opensource
+stuff (no good for FOSS zealous users)
+ they bring no patent problem in any country : they can be distributed
+without restriction...
+that means mainly graphics drivers for Nvidia, ATI, firmwares for wifi-
+cheapsets...
+(Some prefer to use nouveau instead of nvidia drivers... and some will
+have to wait until a cheapset with opensource firmware appears, but most
+of users want to install and use GNU Linux on their actual computer
+thanks to non-free repo)
+
+Non free repo contains too :
+some utilities to download some non opensource softwares from the
+proprietary web site (Adobe-flash, Skype) that can't be distributed .
+FOSS zealous wouldn't use this no more... Ordinary user may need these
+softwares
+
+
+
+3) tainted repo = opensource and free softwares with patent problem in
+some countries : quite OK for FOSS addicts (nevertheless some of them
+wouldn't even use an opensource software to read a patented format such
+as mp3 : they prefer ogg and ask to boycott mp3... or aac)
+
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+
+FAAC problem : it's indeed and absolutely tainted because of patent
+problem (like FAAD which allows to read aac files and is provided in
+tainted repo, same as lame to encode mp3 and gstreamer-plugin-ugly to
+decode mp3 )
+but : it's not entirely opensource because it is based on a ISO
+reference code which of course is not opensource .... this standard was
+developed by several companies which cooperated and contributed to
+create it (AT T, Dolby, Fraunhofer, Nokia ...)
+
+It's not good for FOSS addicts !!!!
+
+There were endless discussions about it (like zoologists about platypus
+ie ornythorynchus
+is it a mammalian yes the female milk the young... but it lays eggs like
+a bird or a reptile... but it is venomous like a reptile or an
+arthropode ... but it has a beak like a duck! is it a hoax ? where must
+it be classified ?)
+
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+
+Not lots of possibilities to create aac or mp4 files :
+- Neroaacenc proprietary (non-free and non distributable)
+- libavcodec not so good
+- vo-aacenc ( for andro&#239;d, seems to have the same ISO basis as faac !!!)
+- fdk-aac (copyleft from Fraunhofer... who wrote the ISO standard !!!!)
+this last one is too young to have been used by other programs
+
+Nowadays Cinerella, Handbrake need FAAC and can't be provided by Mageia!
+Gstreamer, FFMPEG, VLC, avidemux, mencoder, CDex ... might be built with
+FAAC and then allow to create mp4 or aac files (that are quite a
+standard on the web) they were built this way in PLF... they are not
+provided built this way by Mageia.
+
+If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a
+third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake
+and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms
+? the spec files are ready for this!)
+
+
+
+
+Last thoughts :
+
+Anyway :
+Some other free softwares are based on ISO references (we can even find
+them in the Core repo !)
+Is there anybody to complain to have to use a unicode based or ISO
+8859-* based web-browser, or text-writer ?... is it still opensource ?
+Or must we use a FOSS standard that only FOSS users may understand ?
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+<PRE>2012/10/2 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/10/2 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But I guess I may have misunderstood your point.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, you did :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. My proposal was in no way ro replace all ISOs. There must be some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;master&quot; ISOs which went through Mageia QA and are distributed as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;official&quot; ISOs. But the number of different ISOs can be reduced
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> further than currently planned.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Of course one who wants to create a custom ISO has to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia first - this he could do using the smallest way there is,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another live cd, no matter which flavor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But the advantage is, from this one download and installation he can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> produce any flavor for any purpose he wants. Example:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would only need one English live cd. From this I could install the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> system. And then I could create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - live cd with German with the DE of my choice and the software of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> personal choice
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - live cd in German for German events and to demonstrate to friends
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - live cd in German for a magazine, customized to their wishes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All this also helps to keep everybody satisfied, not only the part who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is satisfied with the original Mageia ISOs. As such it would reduce
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Danke f&#252;r die Erkl&#228;rung :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then that makes sense and I can see your point. The &#8220;Live-CD
+</I>&gt;<i> generator&#8221; would be used by advanced users, e.g. by Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors wanting to create a set of German LiveCDs for the
+</I>&gt;<i> LinuxTag in Berlin, and the average users could still download our
+</I>&gt;<i> tested ISOs with all locales on the LiveDVDs / DVDs or in English on
+</I>&gt;<i> the LiveCDs.
+</I>
+Or we could do the obvioous:
+ - local user organisations could provide localized live cd isos on
+their servers,
+ - supporters in such organisations or local &quot;Mageia Usergroups&quot; could
+make customized ISOs on request
+ - They could have workshops at events on how to roll your own, etc.
+
+There are lots of possibilities, each one of them an improvement of
+&quot;marketing&quot;. :)
+
+All it needs is either such a userfriendly system or at least an easy
+understandable How-To in the Mageia wiki. In the German MandrivaUser
+wiki we did that with a special Mandriva release.
+
+It's just an idea that came to my mind because I have a problem with
+the list of planned MGA3 isos (I wrote about that earlier in this
+thread).
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+Thx for this nice sumup, including your comments!
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>Le 02/10/12 16:58,Anne Nicolas nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy most of Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 liveCDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE 700M i586 - english only - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are mainly targetted for distribution during events or for Newspapers
+</I>
+The target audience is not too little to justify the extra QA?
+Is it worth having them at all?
+(Note that I'm among the ones who still uses CDs, a CD-RW)
+
+If we keep them, we should show them as unimportant from a marketing
+point of view (i.e. last in the list of media).
+Otherwise the headlines will be &quot;Mageia gives up on internationalization
+for Mageia 3&quot; or &quot;Mageia gives up on x86_64 for Mageia 3&quot;.
+The headlines should be &quot;Mageia turns to LiveDVDs for Mageia 3&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i> 4 liveDVDs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - GNOME DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD i586 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - KDE DVD x86_64 - all locales - Nonfree
+</I>
+These are now the main media then.
+
+&gt;<i> Classic Installation ISOs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - LXDE DualCD - all locales - Free only
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD i586 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> - DVD x86_64 - all locales - Free/Nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> DVDs will propose by default 100% free software installation. Users will
+</I>&gt;<i> be asked if he wants to use non free drivers. This is still to be done
+</I>&gt;<i> inside drakx installer and will not be available yet for alpha 2 release.
+</I>
+My 2 cts.
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>Em 02-10-2012 17:58, Anne Nicolas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos
+</I>&gt;<i> that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy most of Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thank you both for this list. I feel it comes with almost every ideas
+that came along. Let's see if Mageia 3 will rock in his medias.
+
+Still, we could remember anyone that draklive is also open-source, so
+any rockin' media idea can be tested without consensus. Where is the
+better updated doc about it? (if it exists) I volunteer to do it if it
+does not exist at the moment.
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+<PRE>2012/10/3 zezinho &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lists.jjorge at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Em 02-10-2012 17:58, Anne Nicolas escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So as planned when starting discussion, here is the final set of isos
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that will be built for Mageia 3. We have listed all the proposals and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> explanations (from both this ML and forums) to find a list that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> satisfy most of Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you both for this list. I feel it comes with almost every ideas that
+</I>&gt;<i> came along. Let's see if Mageia 3 will rock in his medias.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still, we could remember anyone that draklive is also open-source, so any
+</I>&gt;<i> rockin' media idea can be tested without consensus. Where is the better
+</I>&gt;<i> updated doc about it? (if it exists) I volunteer to do it if it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> exist at the moment.
+</I>
+That would be great - this discussion is a great motivation to dive
+into creating isos but I need documentation to start learning.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On 3 October 2012 01:19, malo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Flrig is a transceiver control program designed to be used either stand
+</I>&gt;<i> alone or as an adjunct to fldigi. The user interface changes to accommodate
+</I>&gt;<i> the degree of CAT support available for the transceiver in use.
+</I>&gt;<i> The back end control code for each transceiver is unique to flrig.
+</I>&gt;<i> No additional libraries or definition files are required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Authors:
+</I>&gt;<i> --------
+</I>&gt;<i> W1HKJ - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">w1hkj at w1hkj.com</A>
+</I>
+%description is not AUTHORS file.
+Please fix
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+&gt;<i> malo &lt;malo&gt; 1.3.08-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 302267
+</I>&gt;<i> - update RPM group
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 02/10/2012 23:58, PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a
+</I>&gt;<i> third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake
+</I>&gt;<i> and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> ? the spec files are ready for this!)
+</I>It is perfectly soluble, and we don't need anyone else. If you reread
+the thread, there is a consensus to use the tainted repository for
+hosting it, provided some minor changes to its content definition first.
+
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+--
+BOFH excuse #437:
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+crop circles in the corn shell
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+ <B>Claire Robinson</B>
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+<PRE>On 03/10/12 08:00, zezinho wrote:
+&gt;<i> Em 02-10-2012 17:58, Anne Nicolas escreveu:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the list (Thanks MrsB for doing it first :) ):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you both for this list. I feel it comes with almost every ideas
+</I>&gt;<i> that came along. Let's see if Mageia 3 will rock in his medias.
+</I>
+
+I had nothing to do with the decision btw, just to be clear. (Didn't
+even voice any opinion). I was just first to email the list to the QA
+team. The list was decided by the board and announced at council on
+Monday night.
+
+You can see the logs of that meeting here:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2012/mageia-meeting.2012-10-01-19.08.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2012/mageia-meeting.2012-10-01-19.08.html</A>
+
+The decision to include only one language on the two LiveCD's was made
+to allow more space for the DE. A tool to create those with better l10n
+would be a good idea IMHO. Anybody creating one though would need to
+perform adequate QA before publishing.
+
+Thanks
+Claire (MrsB)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 03/10/12 08:40 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 02/10/2012 23:58, PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ? the spec files are ready for this!)
+</I>&gt;<i> It is perfectly soluble, and we don't need anyone else. If you reread
+</I>&gt;<i> the thread, there is a consensus to use the tainted repository for
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting it, provided some minor changes to its content definition first.
+</I>
+Just as a possible solution here (which might actually make life easier
+generally and perhaps even see the deprecation of the non-free
+repository completely....
+
+Could we add a &quot;license blacklist&quot; (or whitelist) feature to URMI?
+
+We could maintain a list of non-free (or free) licenses and users who
+prefer foss only, could easily configure their systems (it could be the
+default) to reject any RPM where the license does not match the rules.
+
+This way we only have core and tainted. The only issue is patents or
+not. The rest is just sorted out by filtering by the tools involved.
+
+Just a suggestion.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+</I>+1
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+<PRE>On 03/10/2012 12:58, tv wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : drakx-installer-stage2 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 14.46.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Wed Oct 3 13:54:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 4455908 License: GPLv2+
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX">http://wiki.mandriva.com/Tools/DrakX</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : DrakX installer stage2 image
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the stage2 image for Mageia DrakX installer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The quoted URL no longer exists. The nearest appropriate mdv page seems
+to be:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/MDK_Installer">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/MDK_Installer</A>
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+That page has been imported to the mga wiki as:
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+&gt;<i> there is a consensus to use the tainted repository for
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+If we're using tainted for this, I still think we should separate the Free from the Nonfree packages.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Free from the Nonfree packages. We could have, say, tainted/free and
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted/nonfree.
+</I>How is that any different than the &quot;new repository&quot; approach that keeps
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Johnny A. Solbu at 03/10/12 14:01 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 03 October 2012 09:40, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there is a consensus to use the tainted repository for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hosting it, provided some minor changes to its content definition first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we're using tainted for this, I still think we should separate the Free from the Nonfree packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have, say, tainted/free and tainted/nonfree.
+</I>
+Well a solution involving a new repository is a relatively simple one
+just add a non-free-tainted repository and we're done (of course this
+actually adds another four real-repositories because each will have
+release, updates, backports and updates_testing).
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+Adding a new media however will result in a few interesting problems.
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+I can't help bug feel that we're being somewhat blinkered here by
+already assuming that the problems of &quot;free vs. non-free&quot; and &quot;tainted
+vs. non-tainted&quot; are to be solved by a single solution.
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+Perhaps taking a step back will allow different solutions to each
+problem present themselves.
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+i.e. tainted has problems with both installation and distribution, but
+non-free is a purely user-led &quot;political&quot; choice (unless there are some
+distribution restrictions on some non-free packages?)
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+If this is the crux of the media &quot;conundrum&quot; then perhaps the problems
+should be treated differently and different solutions sought?
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 03 October 2012 15:13, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Perhaps taking a step back will allow different solutions to each
+</I>&gt;<i> problem present themselves.
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+Perhaps. :-)=
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+My only concern here is that we should not start to mingle free and nonfree packages in the same folder.
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 03/10/12 08:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 02/10/2012 23:58, PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ? the spec files are ready for this!)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is perfectly soluble, and we don't need anyone else. If you reread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the thread, there is a consensus to use the tainted repository for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hosting it, provided some minor changes to its content definition first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just as a possible solution here (which might actually make life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> generally and perhaps even see the deprecation of the non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> repository completely....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we add a &quot;license blacklist&quot; (or whitelist) feature to URMI?
+</I>
+This is an interesting idea.
+
+For tainted/not tainted, we need to have separate repositories, so that
+mirror owners can easily filter tainted packages if needed.
+
+For free/non-free, we mainly need users to be able to select what kind
+of packages they want. This is currently done by having separate
+repositories for free and non-free, but if urpmi had a feature to select
+what kind of license you want, I think we could have both free and
+non-free packages in the same repository.
+
+However in that case, some package which can optionally be linked to
+nonfree software will need to be present two times in the same repository:
+one version of the package linked to nonfree software, and an other
+version not linked to nonfree software. Maybe using different package
+names.
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+<PRE>Le 03/10/2012 15:25, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 03 October 2012 15:13, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps taking a step back will allow different solutions to each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem present themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My only concern here is that we should not start to mingle free and nonfree packages in the same folder.
+</I>Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
+
+OK, let's vote here:
+- how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+- how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+
+Any solution involving technical changes doesn't qualify for a simple
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any solution involving technical changes doesn't qualify for a simple
+</I>&gt;<i> solution, and doesn't seems worth the effort for just a single package...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As far as I'm concerned, making it possible for mirror admins to stay
+within the law trumps ease of use for FOSS believers (i. e. not having
+to check the license of a tainted package).
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+So, if we're excluding technical solutions, I vote tainted.
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+However, I still think that Col's solution would be preferable, for the
+same reasons that I think a free/nonfree switch in the installer is
+preferable to excluding nonfree code from our media and installs
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+&gt;<i> Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any solution involving technical changes doesn't qualify for a simple solution, and
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't seems worth the effort for just a single package...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, you can't list 'non-free' as an option here as faac contains content that belongs to
+tainted repo. If you land it there we will cause problems for some mirrors and that is a
+no-go option.
+
+If you want to vote then we can vote between those options:
+- land it in 'tainted'
+- it remains excluded
+
+My vote goes to tainted. Yes, non-free and free packages will be mixed but most users would
+vote for including it. Free software lovers can just avoid it. They should be better
+informed than normal user anyway.
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+&gt;<i> However, I still think that Col's solution would be preferable, for the same reasons that
+</I>&gt;<i> I think a free/nonfree switch in the installer is preferable to excluding nonfree code
+</I>&gt;<i> from our media and installs unilaterally.
+</I>I have one concern for that solution, how are we gonna build free packages if they can use
+non-free packages from the same repo. It seems technically a bit too complicated. BS would
+need some rewrite or we would have to rename a lot of packages that are currently in non-free.
+
+But on the other hand if some packages that require faac and also some package that is both
+in non-free and in core then how do we solve this problem? Packages in tainted probably
+don't use non-free as a media for buildrequires.
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+<PRE>On 03/10/12 15:20, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 03.10.2012 17:07, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any solution involving technical changes doesn't qualify for a simple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solution, and doesn't seems worth the effort for just a single package...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, you can't list 'non-free' as an option here as faac contains
+</I>&gt;<i> content that belongs to tainted repo. If you land it there we will cause
+</I>&gt;<i> problems for some mirrors and that is a no-go option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to vote then we can vote between those options:
+</I>&gt;<i> - land it in 'tainted'
+</I>&gt;<i> - it remains excluded
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My vote goes to tainted. Yes, non-free and free packages will be mixed
+</I>&gt;<i> but most users would vote for including it. Free software lovers can
+</I>&gt;<i> just avoid it. They should be better informed than normal user anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I vote for tainted. I like Colin's idea too though.
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+<PRE>On 3 October 2012 14:50, James Kerr &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> The quoted URL no longer exists.
+</I>
+Indeed
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+&gt;<i> The nearest appropriate mdv page seems to be:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/MDK_Installer">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/MDK_Installer</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That page has been imported to the mga wiki as:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Drakx-installer_tips_and_tricks</A>
+</I>
+It's not the appropriate one.
+This one is about hinting people who want to hack drakx
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 10/03/2012 10:32 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> I have one concern for that solution, how are we gonna build free
+</I>&gt;<i> packages if they can use non-free packages from the same repo. It
+</I>&gt;<i> seems technically a bit too complicated. BS would need some rewrite or
+</I>&gt;<i> we would have to rename a lot of packages that are currently in non-free.
+</I>
+I don't understand. If a core package is free, why would it build any
+differently if packages it doesn't use now are present in the repo ?
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But on the other hand if some packages that require faac and also some
+</I>&gt;<i> package that is both in non-free and in core then how do we solve this
+</I>&gt;<i> problem? Packages in tainted probably don't use non-free as a media
+</I>&gt;<i> for buildrequires.
+</I>
+I guess if urpmi becomes smart enough to know which license types you
+want excluded, then it would use this same knowledge to filter
+buildrequires.
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+<PRE>Am 09.08.2012 10:42, schrieb Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Florian Hubold at 08/08/12 20:57 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sadly i need to announce that i'll suspend maintainership
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because lack of time currently, and in the near future, say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at least for the next half year or so. I've already waited a bit too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long and some others already did some security updates on my behalf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like for wireshark and avidemux.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Quite sad about this, but in the end it's better than falsely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pretending packages are maintained when they are effectively not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll try to take on the bugs which are currently assigned to me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as i find the time to do so.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In exchange i'd try to mentor one or two new padawans, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somehow make up for the gap.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sad to hear but such is the way of things sometimes. Thankfully you'll
+</I>&gt;<i> still be &quot;around&quot; generally which is very nice to hear :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the best
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To finalize this, after resolving most of the bugs which were assigned
+to me, i've dropped maintainership of all packages which
+i grabbed to not see them dropped. After all that was maybe not the best idea,
+as that's nearly the same as having them unmaintained, at least partially.
+
+
+Here's the list:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at Mageia2</A> ~]$ mgarepo maintdb get | grep doktor5000 | grep -vE
+'thunderbird|hplip' | cut -d&quot; &quot; -f1
+X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
+2mandvd
+aircrack-ng
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+<PRE>Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 03/10/12 15:20, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 03.10.2012 17:07, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any solution involving technical changes doesn't qualify for a simple
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solution, and doesn't seems worth the effort for just a single package...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, you can't list 'non-free' as an option here as faac contains
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> content that belongs to tainted repo. If you land it there we will cause
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problems for some mirrors and that is a no-go option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to vote then we can vote between those options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - land it in 'tainted'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it remains excluded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My vote goes to tainted. Yes, non-free and free packages will be mixed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but most users would vote for including it. Free software lovers can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just avoid it. They should be better informed than normal user anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote for tainted. I like Colin's idea too though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I vote for tainted too ...
+
+It is quite simple for faac and handbrake and cinerella (both absolutely
+needing faac) :
+They may be provided in tainted with some information in URPMI telling
+that they contain a basis (MPEG4 standard) that is not opensource, even
+if everything else in their source is GPL or LGPL... so that opensource
+exclusive users may choose not to install them, and other users are not
+afraid with this information...)
+
+There's a patent problem for them ... mirror admins may choose to
+provide or not the tainted repo in their country. and users may choose
+to use a foreign country repo if they want not to respect the local
+law... ;)
+
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+It is a little more complex for avidemux, mplayer (the mencoder part of
+it) libquicktime, gstreamer ... for them faac is an option
+
+Now they are provided in core (built without option leading to patent
+problems) and in tainted (built with options leading to patent problem
+such as libdvdcss, lame, faad ...)
+Every user has the choice to use or not patent encoumbered softwares
+(this choice is only restricted by local laws) don't have to question if
+they are opensource or not : they are !
+
+
+If faac is pushed into tainted
+What to do with the &quot;build with faac&quot; option for vlc mplayer and others ?
+1) - Build them all only with this option (plf choice) (excluding de
+facto strict opensource users from some useful tainted other options !)
+
+2) -Build them once without this option (OK for strict users )
+- and build them a second time with this option ... informing
+opensource strict users that it's not for them and others that this adds
+the possibility to work on aac or mp4 files
+(can the two versions coexist in the same repo ? need to give two
+different names to them? modify the buildsystem? increases QA job ? )
+
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+
+A developers informal vote is perhaps not enough ... Need a poll ?
+More than this, that concerns the QA team too and perhaps the Board :
+perhaps some legal problem, even in France indeed, that we do not know!!!
+I can't know if the fact that Fraunhofer (one of the authors of the
+standard) provides a copyleft enhanced encoder is a good or a bad news
+for the possibility to use freely faac --- I mean free as beer, until
+everything is rewritten to be built upon fdk-aac instead of faac !)
+
+For Mageia4 the faac problem will certainly be closed, thanks to fdk-aac.
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+Philippe
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Guillaume Rousse
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>
+Definitely vote for tainted.
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+The only question is whether packages that depend on tainted stuff as
+a hard/non-optional dependency need to be themselves in tainted.
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+I don't care, but this is the next thing to consider.
+Having stuff in free (and thus enabled for selection/installation by
+default) depending on stuff from tainted (and thus non-installable,
+since the media is not enabled/not checked for availability) might be
+more problematic than having those packages in tainted.
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+ciao
+Christian
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+<PRE>03.10.2012 20:59, Christian Lohmaier skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Guillaume Rousse
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OK, let's vote here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'tainted' ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Definitely vote for tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only question is whether packages that depend on tainted stuff as
+</I>&gt;<i> a hard/non-optional dependency need to be themselves in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't care, but this is the next thing to consider.
+</I>&gt;<i> Having stuff in free (and thus enabled for selection/installation by
+</I>&gt;<i> default) depending on stuff from tainted (and thus non-installable,
+</I>&gt;<i> since the media is not enabled/not checked for availability) might be
+</I>&gt;<i> more problematic than having those packages in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+this will never happed.
+one of the base rules of core media is that it _must_ be selfcontained.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) Firmware. Package contains firmware images for some
+</I>&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) adapters. Currently supported are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Broadcom Corporation BCM2033
+</I>&gt;<i> * AVM Computersysteme Vertriebs GmbH BLUEFRITZ! USB
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The BLUETOOTH trademarks are owned by Bluetooth SIG, Inc., USA.
+</I>
+description != LICENSE file.
+Please fix
+
+&gt;<i> malo &lt;malo&gt; 1.2-7.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 302588
+</I>&gt;<i> - update RPM group
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+Thanks for starting to move your packages to the new RPM group
+hierarchy. There is however still lots to do.
+
+As a reminder, here is the policy:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy#List_of_official_groups</A>
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+Please try to fit your packages into these categories. I take notes of
+the complaints I hear, so that for the next iteration (~Beta1 time), we
+can adjust the policy a tiny bit.
+
+Before that, can everyone get on with implementing the new RPM group
+policy, and especially:
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+- Documentation group replaces the Books/* groups (still 490 packages),
+so please change the groups of all your doc subpackages to Documentation
+
+- Office (still 445 packages), Sound (749), Graphics (425) and Video
+(641) are split in the new policy, please start changing the groups to
+have a finer grain classification.
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+Thanks!
+--
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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+ <I>Thu Oct 4 06:20:05 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I need some help.
+I have been trying to build the 389-ds-base (needed for kolab 3) but it's not
+finding libperl.so except if I put a symlink in to /usr/lib/libperl.so
+It doesn't have this problem in mga2. I suspect libtool to be the problem.
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+--
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
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+I vote for non-free
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+&gt;<i> &gt; My only concern here is that we should not start to mingle free and nonfree packages in the same folder.
+</I>&gt;<i> Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
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+Or spliting tainted/ into tainted/free/ and tainted/nonfree/.
+I would have no objection to this.
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 03 October 2012 16:07, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - how many people for using 'non-free' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I vote for non-free
+</I>
+And I vote for tainted.
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+My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a filter:
+That may be technically possible to integrate into urpm* and rpmdrake.
+But it will create confusion and problems.
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+1. Problems for mirror maintainers who do not want to mirror non-free
+(if we cater to the free-enthousiasts at other issues we have to do it
+here as well).
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+2. Problems for users who may not trust the filter system, they rather
+trust a visual separation.
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+As for the repositories core and non-free it is just right as it is -
+userfriendly and easy to understand for everybody. And I really wonder
+why this should be changed anyway.
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2012 06:31, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 03 October 2012 16:07, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My only concern here is that we should not start to mingle free and nonfree packages in the same folder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which means using 'nonfree' repository instead of 'tainted'...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or spliting tainted/ into tainted/free/ and tainted/nonfree/.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have no objection to this.
+</I>Which means a 4th repository, and lots of adaptation to the build system.
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+<PRE>Le 03/10/2012 20:37, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 3 October 2012 20:34, malo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) Firmware. Package contains firmware images for some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) adapters. Currently supported are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Broadcom Corporation BCM2033
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * AVM Computersysteme Vertriebs GmbH BLUEFRITZ! USB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The BLUETOOTH trademarks are owned by Bluetooth SIG, Inc., USA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> description != LICENSE file.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please fix
+</I>You can fix it directly as well, if you feel concerned.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #204:
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+Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. &quot;Well you said we
+should get more lines so we don't have voice lines.&quot;
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 4 October 2012 09:39, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) Firmware. Package contains firmware images for some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bluetooth(TM) adapters. Currently supported are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Broadcom Corporation BCM2033
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * AVM Computersysteme Vertriebs GmbH BLUEFRITZ! USB
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The BLUETOOTH trademarks are owned by Bluetooth SIG, Inc., USA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> description != LICENSE file.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please fix
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can fix it directly as well, if you feel concerned.
+</I>
+I did for years.
+Now I prefer to educate other packagers.
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+ <B>Liutauras Adomaitis</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20build%20problems%20with%20x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2BvRaM1CXXCfbzj5moUwvA9Pq-LeouHYUurDfRD0i-i9SsV99g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Thu Oct 4 10:45:04 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi, anyone any ideas on the issue below?
+
+Liutauras
+
+
+---------- Forwarded message ----------
+From: Liutauras Adomaitis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras.adomaitis at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:29 AM
+Subject: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+To: Mageia development mailing-list &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+
+
+Hi there,
+
+I am trying to build sflphone and getting error message saying that
+command x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar is not found.
+This command doesn't exist, although I can see broken symlinks is
+/usr/bin (see below).
+So it looks like there 2 errors:
+- Couldron has broken symlinks in /usr/bin.
+- Even after fixing broken symlinks, build requires
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar, but there is only
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ar. Why is that?
+
+Liutauras
+
+if test ! -d ../lib; then mkdir -p ../lib; fi
+x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar rv ../lib/libpj-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu.a
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ioqueue_select.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/file_access_unistd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/file_io_ansi.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_core_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_error_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_time_unix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_timestamp_posix.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/guid_uuid.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/addr_resolv_sock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/log_writer_stdout.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_timestamp_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_policy_malloc.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_bsd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_select.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/activesock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/array.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/config.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ctype.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/errno.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/except.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/fifobuf.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/guid.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/hash.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ip_helper_generic.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/list.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/lock.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/log.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_time_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/os_info.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_buf.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_caching.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/pool_dbg.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/rand.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/rbtree.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_qos_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/sock_qos_bsd.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_common.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_ossl.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/ssl_sock_dump.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/string.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/timer.o
+output/pjlib-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu/types.o
+make[2]: x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar: Command not found
+make[2]: *** [../lib/libpj-x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu.a] Error 127
+make[2]: Leaving directory
+`/home/liutauras/rpmbuild/BUILD/sflphone-1.2.0/daemon/libs/pjproject/pjlib/build'
+make[1]: *** [pjlib] Error 2
+make[1]: Leaving directory
+`/home/liutauras/rpmbuild/BUILD/sflphone-1.2.0/daemon/libs/pjproject/pjlib/build'
+make: *** [all] Error 1
+error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.qUDU3x (%build)
+
+
+RPM build errors:
+ Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.qUDU3x (%build)
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras at lenovo</A> SPECS]$ ll /usr/bin/x8*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Sep 17 16:48 /usr/bin/x86_64 -&gt; setarch*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-c++ -&gt; g++-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-g++ -&gt; g++-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc -&gt; gcc-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-4.7.2 -&gt; gcc-4.7.2*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ar -&gt; gcc-ar-4.7.2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-nm -&gt; gcc-nm-4.7.2
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Sep 24 08:04
+/usr/bin/x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-gcc-ranlib -&gt; gcc-ranlib-4.7.2
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">liutauras at lenovo</A> SPECS]$ ll /usr/bin/gcc*
+lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Sep 18 17:38 /usr/bin/gcc -&gt;
+/etc/alternatives/gcc*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 590824 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-4.7.2*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc4.7-version*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28704 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-ar*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28696 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-nm*
+-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28704 Sep 23 01:47 /usr/bin/gcc-ranlib*
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fwd%3A%20build%20problems%20with%20x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar&In-Reply-To=%3C506D52CA.2050807%40mageia.org%3E"
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+<PRE>Liutauras Adomaitis skrev 4.10.2012 11:45:
+&gt;<i> Hi, anyone any ideas on the issue below?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Liutauras
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Seems a broken gcc packaging...
+
+I'll fix it up soon...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+I accidentally submitted new shapelib packages, which are completely
+broken and need some more work.
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+Could you please remove:
+libshapelib1-1.3.0-1.mga3.i586.rpm
+libshapelib-devel-1.3.0-1.mga3.i586.rpm
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+shapelib-debug-1.3.0-1.mga3.i586.rpm
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+and the corresponding x86_64 packages from the repos?
+I will then resubmit the old packages and try to do the new ones correctly.
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+Thx,
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a
+</I>&gt;<i> filter: That may be technically possible to integrate into urpm* and
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+</I>
+That's a good point, but are there actually any of these ? Was there
+any PLF mirror that only hosted free ?
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+&gt;<i> 2. Problems for users who may not trust the filter system, they rather
+</I>&gt;<i> trust a visual separation.
+</I>
+I can't see this. If they trust us to place the package correctly to
+start with, why wouldn't they trust a filter we write ? And if they
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 02:29 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> filter: That may be technically possible to integrate into urpm* and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpmdrake. But it will create confusion and problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Problems for mirror maintainers who do not want to mirror non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (if we cater to the free-enthousiasts at other issues we have to do it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a good point, but are there actually any of these ? Was there
+</I>&gt;<i> any PLF mirror that only hosted free ?
+</I>AFAIK, no. At least, I've never seen any.
+
+This kind of hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' is quite similar for
+me to the mythical 'average joe user': a practical justification to any
+kind of argument :)
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 02:29 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My position about mixing non-free into the core repository with a filter:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That may be technically possible to integrate into urpm* and rpmdrake. But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it will create confusion and problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Problems for mirror maintainers who do not want to mirror non-free (if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we cater to the free-enthousiasts at other issues we have to do it here as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a good point, but are there actually any of these ? Was there any
+</I>&gt;<i> PLF mirror that only hosted free ?
+</I>
+There are/were enough Mandriva mirrors who did not mirror PLF at all.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Problems for users who may not trust the filter system, they rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trust a visual separation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't see this. If they trust us to place the package correctly to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with, why wouldn't they trust a filter we write ? And if they don't trust
+</I>&gt;<i> us, they're reading the license themselves anyway.
+</I>
+A built-in filter in a software is not the same as a separate branch.
+It is a difference between seeing free and non-free in separate
+branches and just believe that there is a filter and that it is
+working all the time. There have been bugs in urpmi, why do you regard
+that filter to be perfect per se?
+It's a difference between a developer/packager who uploads a package
+to a branch by intention and a packager who just adds a tag (or may
+have forgotten to add it). A packager who just forgot to add a
+dependency is no hoax - why do you think a packager who forgot to add
+a tag is a hoax? Or a myth?
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> This kind of hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' is quite similar for me
+</I>&gt;<i> to the mythical 'average joe user': a practical justification to any kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> argument :)
+</I>
+Pardon me but do vou know all mirror maintainers that you can say
+that? We (mandrivauser.de) discussed the contents of our mirror and
+intentionally did not mirror PLF. One example - I do not think that we
+are a myth and do not believe that we are the only exception.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Problems for users who may not trust the filter system, they rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; trust a visual separation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't see this. &#160;If they trust us to place the package correctly to
+</I>&gt;<i> start with, why wouldn't they trust a filter we write ?
+</I>
+Because software have bugs, even filters, whereas physical separation is not prone to the same errors.
+A filter can stop working or work incorrectly, but a repo separation does not start to install from a deactivated or removed/not imported repo. Nor will a bug suddenly activate or add a nonfree repo.
+
+&gt;<i> And if they don't trust us, they're reading the license themselves anyway.
+</I>
+That's not an easy task for commandline users. &quot;urpmq -i foo&quot; does not show the license tag.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; That's a good point, but are there actually any of these ? &#160;Was there any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PLF mirror that only hosted free ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> There are/were enough Mandriva mirrors who did not mirror PLF at all.
+</I>
+I believe that was not his point.
+His point was, does anyone who Do mirror PLF only mirror the Free PLF repo and Not the nonfree PLF repo.
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+&gt;<i> There are/were enough Mandriva mirrors who did not mirror PLF at all.
+</I>
+I'm well aware of that, since PLF wouldn't have existed otherwise. The
+question concerned mirroring nonfree, not tainted. The reasons for not
+mirroring each of these is quite different.
+
+&gt;<i> A built-in filter in a software is not the same as a separate branch.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a difference between seeing free and non-free in separate
+</I>&gt;<i> branches and just believe that there is a filter and that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> working all the time. There have been bugs in urpmi, why do you regard
+</I>&gt;<i> that filter to be perfect per se? It's a difference between a
+</I>&gt;<i> developer/packager who uploads a package to a branch by intention and
+</I>&gt;<i> a packager who just adds a tag (or may have forgotten to add it). A
+</I>&gt;<i> packager who just forgot to add a dependency is no hoax - why do you
+</I>&gt;<i> think a packager who forgot to add a tag is a hoax? Or a myth?
+</I>
+Sorry, I don't buy that. If a packager omits a tag or chooses a wrong
+repository, the reason is probably the same - he didn't read the license
+and that means the package is going to be misfiled under either scheme.
+And the only way a FOSS activist is going to catch this is to read the
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2012 16:50, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/4 Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This kind of hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' is quite similar for me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the mythical 'average joe user': a practical justification to any kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> argument :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pardon me but do vou know all mirror maintainers that you can say
+</I>&gt;<i> that? We (mandrivauser.de) discussed the contents of our mirror and
+</I>&gt;<i> intentionally did not mirror PLF. One example - I do not think that we
+</I>&gt;<i> are a myth and do not believe that we are the only exception.
+</I>The question was about people mirroring PLF *partially*, and you're
+giving fuel to my fire...
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+&gt;<i> Because software have bugs, even filters, whereas physical separation
+</I>&gt;<i> is not prone to the same errors.
+</I>
+Sure it is. See my response to Wolfgang.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And if they don't trust us, they're reading the license themselves anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not an easy task for commandline users. &quot;urpmq -i foo&quot; does not show the license tag.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I didn't say it was easy, I said that anyone strongly interested in this
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 10:46 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are/were enough Mandriva mirrors who did not mirror PLF at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm well aware of that, since PLF wouldn't have existed otherwise. The
+</I>&gt;<i> question concerned mirroring nonfree, not tainted. The reasons for not
+</I>&gt;<i> mirroring each of these is quite different.
+</I>
+I understand.
+
+&gt;<i> Sorry, I don't buy that. If a packager omits a tag or chooses a wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> repository, the reason is probably the same - he didn't read the license and
+</I>&gt;<i> that means the package is going to be misfiled under either scheme.
+</I>Or he just forgot to add the tag - that's easier than to chose a
+repository on intention.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Or he just forgot to add the tag - that's easier than to chose a
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+</I>Doesn't the name of the license already appear in the packaging ? Why
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 10:54 AM, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because software have bugs, even filters, whereas physical separation is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not prone to the same errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure it is. See my response to Wolfgang.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And if they don't trust us, they're reading the license themselves
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's not an easy task for commandline users. &quot;urpmq -i foo&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> show the license tag.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't say it was easy, I said that anyone strongly interested in this who
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't trust us to get it right will be doing it, easy or hard.
+</I>
+You do not seem to understand different levels in trust. There is no
+black OR white, rather shades of black and shades of white. Of course
+there is some trust in the packagers to place packages correctly in
+different branches depending on the licenses. But having all
+free/non-free packages in one repo, separated just by a software
+filter adds an additional level of trust in the packagers AND in the
+software filter.
+
+Well, enough said. I think I have stated my position and the reasons,
+I am not part of the decision making group anyway.
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or he just forgot to add the tag - that's easier than to chose a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository on intention.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't the name of the license already appear in the packaging ? Why would
+</I>&gt;<i> you need a new separate tag which could be forgotten ?
+</I>
+Ah, that's just my imagination how this filter could work. If the
+filter searches for the license description and if all possible
+licenses are known to the filter, then the packagers are fine. Still
+the trust on a software filter is not the same as the trust in a
+visible separation. If you think there is no technical difference,
+this discussion is not just on technical of the issue.
+
+If I go into an empty room which is dark, everybody could tell me that
+the room is empty and I can't hurt myself by falling over some
+furniture - still I'd prefer the lights on.
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+&gt;<i> Still the trust on a software filter is not the same as the trust in a
+</I>&gt;<i> visible separation. If you think there is no technical difference,
+</I>&gt;<i> this discussion is not just on technical of the issue. If I go into an
+</I>&gt;<i> empty room which is dark, everybody could tell me that the room is
+</I>&gt;<i> empty and I can't hurt myself by falling over some furniture - still
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd prefer the lights on.
+</I>You're correct, and one of the points I'm trying to make is that while
+it is reasonable to technically enable FOSS enthusiasts to install a
+FOSS-only system easily, it is not reasonable to make things difficult
+for everyone else simply to pander to FOSS political correctness.
+
+The same argument underlies the issue of an install process that caters
+to both free and nonfree via a switch versus one that allows no nonfree
+software on the install media or no nonfree repo to be considered by the
+installer. In both cases, a FOSS enthusiast can have what he wants,
+but I'm sure the enthusiast would be happier with the latter case, for
+all the non-technical reasons you mention, including that it makes it
+more difficult for others to do things of which he disapproves.
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+If there's no technical difference between two approaches, we ought to
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+&gt;<i> On 10/04/2012 11:29 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Still the trust on a software filter is not the same as the trust in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> visible separation. If you think there is no technical difference, this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussion is not just on technical of the issue. If I go into an empty room
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is dark, everybody could tell me that the room is empty and I can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hurt myself by falling over some furniture - still I'd prefer the lights on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're correct, and one of the points I'm trying to make is that while it is
+</I>&gt;<i> reasonable to technically enable FOSS enthusiasts to install a FOSS-only
+</I>&gt;<i> system easily, it is not reasonable to make things difficult for everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> else simply to pander to FOSS political correctness.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same argument underlies the issue of an install process that caters to
+</I>&gt;<i> both free and nonfree via a switch versus one that allows no nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> software on the install media or no nonfree repo to be considered by the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer. In both cases, a FOSS enthusiast can have what he wants, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sure the enthusiast would be happier with the latter case, for all the
+</I>&gt;<i> non-technical reasons you mention, including that it makes it more difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> for others to do things of which he disapproves.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there's no technical difference between two approaches, we ought to pick
+</I>&gt;<i> the one that works best for the greatest part of the user base.
+</I>
+Yes, that's why I prefer the separation of free and non-free repos.
+IMHO opinion it is easier to have non-free visually out of the way for
+the FOSS enthousiasts and it's just one click (actually 2 including
+non-free/updates) for the users who want it all.
+
+Furthermore there is another reason to keep the repos separated: it is
+Mageias written intention to support and advocate FOSS. Separating
+non-free and FOSS is a visible demonstration of this intention. Mixing
+both in the same repo is the opposite.
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's why I prefer the separation of free and non-free repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO opinion it is easier to have non-free visually out of the way for
+</I>&gt;<i> the FOSS enthousiasts and it's just one click (actually 2 including
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free/updates) for the users who want it all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore there is another reason to keep the repos separated: it is
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageias written intention to support and advocate FOSS. Separating
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free and FOSS is a visible demonstration of this intention. Mixing
+</I>&gt;<i> both in the same repo is the opposite.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As you said earlier, it's not black and white, but shades of gray.
+
+We already choose to do a lot of stuff that is counter to FOSS (LiveCD,
+having nonfree to begin with, etc.), and that's all done to make a
+distro that serves FOSS and not-so-FOSS (I won't say non-FOSS here) alike.
+
+ From the various threads in this ML over the course of the last year,
+there seems to be consensus to expand our non-FOSS footprint in the
+interest of usability as long as we still make FOSS possible for those
+who want it.
+
+Once you start mixing for pragmatic reasons, the basis for future
+decisions becomes pragmatic rather than political.
+
+Witness your own vote here for &quot;tainted&quot; over &quot;nonfree&quot;, because you
+find more value in keeping nonfree untainted than you do in keeping
+tainted free. It's all a matter of degree.
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+ <B>EatDirt</B>
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+<PRE>As I guess all new packagers make the mistake, as I did recently too;
+please check out:
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Version_and_Release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packaging_guidelines#Version_and_Release</A>
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+once the mistake done; it is either package removal of adding an epoch
+number (that can not be removed later)
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+Cheers,
+chris.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 04 October 2012 10:56, EatDirt wrote:
+&gt;<i> adding an epoch number
+</I>&gt;<i> (that can not be removed later)
+</I>
+I'm sure I'm not the only one confused about this epoch thing, so I'll ask.
+What is an epoch? (I think I know it's function, but still)
+
+And why can it not be removed once instated? No, really, why?
+
+--
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 04 October 2012 10:56, EatDirt wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adding an epoch number
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (that can not be removed later)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sure I'm not the only one confused about this epoch thing, so I'll ask.
+</I>&gt;<i> What is an epoch? (I think I know it's function, but still)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And why can it not be removed once instated? No, really, why?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is like a more-than-major version, which allows
+e.g. version 3.4 with epoch 1 to be treated as more recent than
+ version 3.5 without epoch.
+If epoch once defined is removed in subsequent versions,
+these subsequent versions will be treated as older than any version with
+epoch defined, so once defined, epoch can't be removed (without changing
+the name of the package).
+Epoch can be increased like other version numbers, if the need arises.
+
+Evidently, if a package version error is caught early enough, the use of
+epoch can be avoided.
+
+--
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+I've gotten the ATI open source drivers to work on my radeonsi with glamor
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7717">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7717</A>
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+I've also packaged some python packages
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515</A>
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7517">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7517</A>
+
+There's also an uploaded patch that fixed lynx
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7399">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7399</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and andre999 at 05/10/12 07:13 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thursday 04 October 2012 10:56, EatDirt wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> adding an epoch number
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (that can not be removed later)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm sure I'm not the only one confused about this epoch thing, so I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ask.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is an epoch? (I think I know it's function, but still)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And why can it not be removed once instated? No, really, why?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is like a more-than-major version, which allows
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. version 3.4 with epoch 1 to be treated as more recent than
+</I>&gt;<i> version 3.5 without epoch.
+</I>&gt;<i> If epoch once defined is removed in subsequent versions,
+</I>&gt;<i> these subsequent versions will be treated as older than any version with
+</I>&gt;<i> epoch defined, so once defined, epoch can't be removed (without changing
+</I>&gt;<i> the name of the package).
+</I>&gt;<i> Epoch can be increased like other version numbers, if the need arises.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Evidently, if a package version error is caught early enough, the use of
+</I>&gt;<i> epoch can be avoided.
+</I>
+It's also worth stating explicitly that epochs are a pain in the
+backside! They should only be added when no other solution exists. e.g.
+we would likely never use epoch to fix any issue in cauldron, only when
+we need to fix something going from mgaN to mgaN+1.
+
+The reason they are a pain is that they are, intentionally, hidden from
+view. If you have package foo-3.5 but it has an epoch of 1, then any
+package requiring foo &gt;= 3 would have to put &quot;Requires: foo &gt;= 1:3&quot; in
+the spec.
+
+Perhaps not the best example, but it's makes inter package deps a bit
+trickier.
+
+So it solves a problem, but should be used sparingly.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 05/10/2012 15:07, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> It's also worth stating explicitly that epochs are a pain in the
+</I>&gt;<i> backside!
+</I>Is 'backside' a politically-correct scottish version of 'ass' ?
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+<PRE>yes, backside is another version of ass. not sure on the political
+correctness though.
+
+On 05/10/2012, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 05/10/2012 15:07, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's also worth stating explicitly that epochs are a pain in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backside!
+</I>&gt;<i> Is 'backside' a politically-correct scottish version of 'ass' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> BOFH excuse #47:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Complete Transient Lockout
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Donald Stewart at 05/10/12 16:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> yes, backside is another version of ass. not sure on the political
+</I>&gt;<i> correctness though.
+</I>
+Yup, backside is the &quot;nice&quot; term for ass, arse, butt, bottom or (if you
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+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll take care of:
+</I>&gt;<i> aircrack-ng
+</I>&gt;<i> airsnort
+</I>&gt;<i> devede
+</I>&gt;<i> dvdauthor
+</I>&gt;<i> exaile
+</I>&gt;<i> grip
+</I>&gt;<i> gwibber
+</I>&gt;<i> wireshark
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Atte.
+</I>&gt;<i> C&#233;sar Vargas
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Registered User: 423743
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Registered Machine: 331399
+</I>&gt;<i> Key GPG: 61513A1E
+</I>&gt;<i> FingerPrinting: 263E 102B B8ED 8F2B 2ACE ED31 9FAD 9DFD 6151 3A1E
+</I>Please don't forget to set yourself as maintainer via mgarepo for those:
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>On 05/10/12 13:53, Joseph Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>
+Hi Joseph!
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+&gt;<i> Been lurking for a while.
+</I>
+Welcome!
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+&gt;<i> I've gotten the ATI open source drivers to work on my radeonsi with glamor
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7717">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7717</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've also packaged some python packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7515</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7517">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7517</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's also an uploaded patch that fixed lynx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7399">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7399</A>
+</I>
+That's great! Thanks.
+But, maybe you should join our packager's team, and upload the packages
+yourself :-)
+Please consider our apprenticeship program:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager</A>
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+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> dlucio &lt;dlucio&gt; 1.3.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 302992
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix conflicts
+</I>
+Well the library package is still empty breaking installed package but also
+preventing installation of marble package ( c.f. #7685). Also Oliver asked
+to remove this package from cauldron in order to push the working one..
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+ <B>Joseph Wang</B>
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+<PRE>I added my name to the wiki a few weeks ago. I haven't been contacted
+by anyone, yet.
+Would appreciate it if someone gets in touch with me. I have a queue of
+several other packages
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+ <B>David Sj&#246;lin</B>
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+I just installed Mageia 2 on my laptop (I've been using Mageia 1 up to
+now), and since I'm doing some java developing I've installed Java,
+Eclipse, Subversion and Ant. Since I use Sun Java at work I want to use Sun
+Java at home as well instead of OpenJDK, so I installed it in /opt and
+created a symbolic link to /usr/lib.
+
+But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or
+1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH for
+existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses Sun
+Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java before
+installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?
+
+Regards,
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 07/10/2012 12:04, David Sj&#246;lin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or
+</I>&gt;<i> 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH
+</I>&gt;<i> for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java
+</I>&gt;<i> before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?
+</I>While technically possible, using file dependencies seems a bad idea
+here, because they have their own limitations. And more generally, the
+whole idea of altering our packages to allow better interaction with
+non-packaged or foreign-controlled stuff defeat the whole purpose of a
+self-contained distribution.
+
+Just remove openjdk using rpm --nodeps option. Or better, build your own
+empty package, providing the missing dependencies (java, jre) as virtual
+packages. I wonder if we could add some kind of --ignore-dependency
+option to urpmi to achieve the same result.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #253:
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+We've run out of licenses
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+<PRE>04.10.2012 12:11, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+&gt;<i> Liutauras Adomaitis skrev 4.10.2012 11:45:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi, anyone any ideas on the issue below?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Liutauras
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Seems a broken gcc packaging...
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+</I>&gt;<i> I'll fix it up soon...
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+</I>
+Fixed in gcc-4.7.2-2.mga3 currently building.
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+&gt;<i> make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so .desktop files work in atleast
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME
+</I>
+shouldn't this be done by regular requires?
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+&gt;<i> Modified: images-config/draklive/trunk/config/auto_inst.cfg.pl
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- images-config/draklive/trunk/config/auto_inst.cfg.pl 2012-10-07 11:59:38
+</I>&gt;<i> UTC (rev 6179)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ images-config/draklive/trunk/config/auto_inst.cfg.pl 2012-10-07 13:17:33
+</I>&gt;<i> UTC (rev 6180)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -221,6 +221,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> if_($ENV{DRAKLIVE_ARCH} eq 'x86_64', 'lib64canberra-gtk0'),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'usbutils', # we want lsusb
+</I>&gt;<i> + 'shared-mime-info', # needed for .desktop files to work atleast in
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+&gt;<i> Revision: 6180
+</I>&gt;<i> Author: tmb
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: 2012-10-07 15:17:33 +0200 (Sun, 07 Oct 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;<i> make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so .desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+This seems unneeded, shared-mime-info is already required by gnome-vfs2,
+so it should be already be on live CDS.
+Maybe you had another install issue?
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Revision: 6180
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Author: tmb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Date: 2012-10-07 15:17:33 +0200 (Sun, 07 Oct 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so .desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems unneeded, shared-mime-info is already required by gnome-vfs2,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it should be already be on live CDS.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you had another install issue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Heh,
+You mean besides nothing requiring it :)
+
+It's not on any of the current Gnome live medias :/
+(and no mention in any ddebug.log)
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+--
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+&gt;<i> 08.10.2012 01:26, Olivier Blin skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A> writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Revision: 6180
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Author: tmb
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Date: 2012-10-07 15:17:33 +0200 (Sun, 07 Oct 2012)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Log Message:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so .desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This seems unneeded, shared-mime-info is already required by gnome-vfs2,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so it should be already be on live CDS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you had another install issue?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heh,
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean besides nothing requiring it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not on any of the current Gnome live medias :/
+</I>&gt;<i> (and no mention in any ddebug.log)
+</I>
+Don't you have gnome-vfs2 on a default Gnome install?
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Don't you have gnome-vfs2 on a default Gnome install?
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+That has been deprecated for many years. I hope by now nothing requires
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+ <B>David Sj&#246;lin</B>
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+&gt;<i> Le 07/10/2012 12:04, David Sj&#246;lin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But when I try to install ant it has a dependency on openjdk 1.5, 1.6 or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1.7. Would it be possible to setup the dependencies so it checks PATH
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for existing java-versions instead? I can override the paths so it uses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Java, but it would be simpler if it was possible to install Sun Java
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before installing ant and then not install OpenJDK?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While technically possible, using file dependencies seems a bad idea here,
+</I>&gt;<i> because they have their own limitations. And more generally, the whole idea
+</I>&gt;<i> of altering our packages to allow better interaction with non-packaged or
+</I>&gt;<i> foreign-controlled stuff defeat the whole purpose of a self-contained
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remove openjdk using rpm --nodeps option. Or better, build your own
+</I>&gt;<i> empty package, providing the missing dependencies (java, jre) as virtual
+</I>&gt;<i> packages. I wonder if we could add some kind of --ignore-dependency option
+</I>&gt;<i> to urpmi to achieve the same result.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks, I'll try that (rpm --nodeps). Yes, being able to skip the
+java-dependency in the installer (I used Install/Remove Software), would
+probably be good, with OpenJDK selected by default still. Now I got the
+option to choose java-version, so I guess a solution would be to be able to
+choose &quot;1.5, 1.6, 1.7 or none&quot;.
+
+Regards,
+
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+<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update today I get
+
+The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+ (due to missing marble-common)
+marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+ (due to missing marble-common)
+marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+ (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+ (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+ (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+
+Is this expected?
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+It looks odd to me, as the versions set to be removed appear to be the
+same as the &quot;unsatisfied&quot; version. Am I missing something?
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:14:14 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update today I get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+</I>&gt;<i> marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+</I>&gt;<i> plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this expected?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No :( .
+
+I look this
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+<PRE>Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 14:19:54 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:14:14 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update today I get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is this expected?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No :( .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I look this
+</I>
+how can we submit such &quot;crap&quot; ? :(
+
+ %files -n %{libname}
+ %defattr (-,root,root)
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+so no libs provided anymore.
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>
+&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;<i> - add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>
+I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+llvmpipe.
+
+This should make it easier to run GNOME in a VM or any case where
+hardware acceleration is missing.
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+On 08/10/12 13:21, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 14:19:54 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:14:14 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> today I get
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The following packages have to be removed for others to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgraded: digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this expected?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No :( .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I look this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how can we submit such &quot;crap&quot; ? :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %{libname} %defattr (-,root,root) -%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +#%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so no libs provided anymore.
+</I>
+Accidents happen, in the best-regulated families :-) I'll wait for them.
+
+Anne
+
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:46:43 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 08/10/12 13:21, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 14:19:54 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:14:14 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; today I get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; The following packages have to be removed for others to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; upgraded: digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Is this expected?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No :( .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I look this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; how can we submit such &quot;crap&quot; ? :(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %files -n %{libname} %defattr (-,root,root) -%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +#%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so no libs provided anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Accidents happen, in the best-regulated families :-) I'll wait for them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Please try with next marble.
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+is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on
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+regards,
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+<PRE>2012/10/8 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 14:19:54 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 13:14:14 Anne Wilson a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hash: SHA1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I've been away from Cauldron for a while, but trying to update today I get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; digikam-2.9.0-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; marble-common-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing libshp.so.1)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; marble-handbook-4.9.1-1.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (due to unsatisfied marble &gt;= 4.9.1-1.mga3)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; plasma-wallpaper-marble-4.9.1-1.mga3.i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (due to missing marble-common) (y/N)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Is this expected?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No :( .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I look this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how can we submit such &quot;crap&quot; ? :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %files -n %{libname}
+</I>&gt;<i> %defattr (-,root,root)
+</I>&gt;<i> -%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i> +#%{_libdir}/*.so.*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so no libs provided anymore.
+</I>
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7685">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7685</A>
+Oliver asked sysadmin to remove this bogus package so he can submit
+back the old one (1.5.x) until he fixed the 1.3.x version of shapelib
+but somehow thoses packages were not removed &amp; even more dlucio pushed
+a new 1.3.x version.
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+<PRE>2012/10/8 neoclust &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Name : marble Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.9.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:42:32 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Geography Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 19829323 License: LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : neoclust &lt;neoclust&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/education/marble/">http://www.kde.org/applications/education/marble/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A virtual globe and world atlas
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Marble is a Virtual Globe and World Atlas that you can use to learn more
+</I>&gt;<i> about Earth: You can pan and zoom around and you can look up places and
+</I>&gt;<i> roads. A mouse click on a place label will provide the respective
+</I>&gt;<i> Wikipedia article.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> neoclust &lt;neoclust&gt; 4.9.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 303541
+</I>&gt;<i> - Do not link against shapelib-devel anymore the package does not exist
+</I>&gt;<i> - Revert to 4.9.1
+</I>Well i guess/hope that the shapelib package is going to be fixed somedays...
+Also please don't forget to upload again the 4.9.2 ;o)
+(The marble changelog is going to be amazing :p )
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>Em 08-10-2012 10:27, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on
+</I>&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Fedora 17, openSUSE 12.2 and ubuntu (don't remember the version) are
+already using it.
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+<PRE>On 8 October 2012 16:41, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.75-5.mga2:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 303577
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild with kernel-3.4.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + ennael &lt;ennael&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - rebuild for new mageia-theme
+</I>
+What for?
+mga2 installer is frozen..
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+<PRE>Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on
+</I>&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>
+PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe
+Rosa too.
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+<PRE>On 08/10/12 16:20, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> Rosa too.
+</I>
+It's an accepted Feature for Mga3, I guess it just needs people to work
+on it.
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
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+Claire
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+</I>&gt;<i> some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+</I>&gt;<i> in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+</I>&gt;<i> llvmpipe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>On my system, running mga2, unblacklisting llvmpipe (so as to use
+regular gnome3, instead of classic/fallback mode) makes all display in
+regular gnome3 run extremely slow.
+It must be that llvmpipe is used for all display, even when acceleration
+isn't indicated.
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+BTW, regular gnome3 might well be called &quot;tablet mode&quot;. A lot of
+extensions have been developped to revert to a display more like gnome2.
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Fedora 17, openSUSE 12.2 and ubuntu (don't remember the version) are
+</I>&gt;<i> already using it.
+</I>
+openSUSE retains Grub Legacy as an option, which I use on every installation.
+YaST has yet to be updated to fully manage Grub2 configuration. In distros
+that offer only a choice between Grub2 and no bootloader I choose no
+bootloader every time. *buntu I quit even experimenting with half because of
+its Grub2 headaches. Fedora I install with no bootloader, and use Grub Legacy
+from openSUSE or Knoppix. Grub2 is buggier than stink and far more
+complicated to maintain and use than Grub Legacy on systems that don't need
+what Grub2 can do that Grub Legacy can't.
+--
+&quot;The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
+words are persuasive.&quot; Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
+
+ Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
+
+Felix Miata *** <A HREF="http://fm.no-ip.com/">http://fm.no-ip.com/</A>
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+<PRE>2012/10/8 Felix Miata &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mrmazda at earthlink.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 2012-10-08 11:45 (GMT-0300) Luiz Alberto Saba composed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora 17, openSUSE 12.2 and ubuntu (don't remember the version) are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> openSUSE retains Grub Legacy as an option, which I use on every
+</I>&gt;<i> installation. YaST has yet to be updated to fully manage Grub2
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration. In distros that offer only a choice between Grub2 and no
+</I>&gt;<i> bootloader I choose no bootloader every time. *buntu I quit even
+</I>&gt;<i> experimenting with half because of its Grub2 headaches. Fedora I install
+</I>&gt;<i> with no bootloader, and use Grub Legacy from openSUSE or Knoppix. Grub2 is
+</I>&gt;<i> buggier than stink and far more complicated to maintain and use than Grub
+</I>&gt;<i> Legacy on systems that don't need what Grub2 can do that Grub Legacy can't.
+</I>
+Well, as long as the installer gives me a choice to put the bootloader
+into the root partition I don't mind whether Mageia uses grub-legacy
+or grub2. I'm using chainloader anyway.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:32:16PM -0400, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;+ Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;- add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;llvmpipe.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> On my system, running mga2, unblacklisting llvmpipe (so as to use
+</I>&gt;<i> regular gnome3, instead of classic/fallback mode) makes all display
+</I>&gt;<i> in regular gnome3 run extremely slow.
+</I>&gt;<i> It must be that llvmpipe is used for all display, even when
+</I>&gt;<i> acceleration isn't indicated.
+</I>
+Hmm, that is not good. I'll test for a few days, otherwise I'll revert.
+
+What is reported in System Settings &#8594; Details under Graphics? llvmpipe
+or something else?
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, regular gnome3 might well be called &quot;tablet mode&quot;. A lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> extensions have been developped to revert to a display more like
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome2.
+</I>
+I am not using a tablet and suggest you first try it on a tablet.
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 08/10/12 15:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 8 October 2012 16:41, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.75-5.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303577
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild with kernel-3.4.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + ennael &lt;ennael&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new mageia-theme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What for?
+</I>&gt;<i> mga2 installer is frozen..
+</I>
+Yes, but due to a bug when the ISOs were last redone (for the theme
+copyright violation) they introduced a problem that caused initrds to be
+generated too early (i.e. during install not at the end).
+
+I would certainly welcome a run of the isos to fix this problem
+specifically, but it's a lot of QA, so I'm not sure if there is
+something else going on here that needs this.
+
+If so, then we should make sure the afore mentioned fix is indeed included!
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+ <I>Mon Oct 8 22:21:54 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hello everyone,
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+I saw this article today and I think that it would be great to add
+this to the default fonts that we have available as it would allow
+greater ease of access to people with dyslexia.
+
+<A HREF="https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic">https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341</A>
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+If someone could direct me to the package that contains the fonts, I
+will happily add this too it if it is agreed, failing that, having it
+available elsewhere would be good.
+
+Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
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+ <B>Claire Robinson</B>
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+<PRE>On 08/10/12 21:21, Donald Stewart wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw this article today and I think that it would be great to add
+</I>&gt;<i> this to the default fonts that we have available as it would allow
+</I>&gt;<i> greater ease of access to people with dyslexia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic">https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone could direct me to the package that contains the fonts, I
+</I>&gt;<i> will happily add this too it if it is agreed, failing that, having it
+</I>&gt;<i> available elsewhere would be good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
+</I>
+I saw that same article and created a bug for it
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629</A>
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+Claire
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+<PRE>On 8 October 2012 21:30, Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 08/10/12 21:21, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I saw this article today and I think that it would be great to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this to the default fonts that we have available as it would allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> greater ease of access to people with dyslexia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic">https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone could direct me to the package that contains the fonts, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will happily add this too it if it is agreed, failing that, having it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available elsewhere would be good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw that same article and created a bug for it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+Nice, thanks for this.
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+<PRE>Em 08-10-2012 22:30, Claire Robinson escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On 08/10/12 21:21, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I saw this article today and I think that it would be great to add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this to the default fonts that we have available as it would allow
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> greater ease of access to people with dyslexia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic">https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If someone could direct me to the package that contains the fonts, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will happily add this too it if it is agreed, failing that, having it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available elsewhere would be good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Donald 'Schultz' Stewart
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw that same article and created a bug for it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7629</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+I suppose we should not force it as default, only provide a package named :
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+fonts-ttf-open-dyslexic that people can install.
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+&gt;<i> I added my name to the wiki a few weeks ago. I haven't been contacted
+</I>&gt;<i> by anyone, yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would appreciate it if someone gets in touch with me. I have a queue of
+</I>&gt;<i> several other packages
+</I>&gt;<i> to add...
+</I>
+It is volunteer-based, so it can take some time.
+Please come to #mageia-mentoring, you will find a mentor quicker.
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+<PRE>08.10.2012 20:17, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thierry Vignaud at 08/10/12 15:56 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 8 October 2012 16:41, tmb &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tmb &lt;tmb&gt; 1.75-5.mga2:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303577
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild with kernel-3.4.13-1.mga2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + ennael &lt;ennael&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - rebuild for new mageia-theme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What for?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mga2 installer is frozen..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but due to a bug when the ISOs were last redone (for the theme
+</I>&gt;<i> copyright violation) they introduced a problem that caused initrds to be
+</I>&gt;<i> generated too early (i.e. during install not at the end).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would certainly welcome a run of the isos to fix this problem
+</I>&gt;<i> specifically, but it's a lot of QA, so I'm not sure if there is
+</I>&gt;<i> something else going on here that needs this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If so, then we should make sure the afore mentioned fix is indeed included!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well,
+so far there is discussed to atleast add versioned boot(-nonfree).iso
+that uses the 3.4 series kernel to the install tree...
+
+So if we have some needed fixes that would be good / not too intrusive
+to have, we could fix it... and the bug Colin is referring to should
+be fixed regardless...
+
+
+Speaking of this...
+
+Thierry,
+
+- do you thing the fixes to the firmware loading bug can be backported
+ safely ?
+- and I guess we should backport the kmod modules.order bugfix for
+ compressed modules should be fixed too, wdyt ?
+
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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+</I>&gt;<i> Nice, thanks for this.
+</I>
+So fonts-ttf-open-dyslexic is avaliable in Cauldron.
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+&gt;<i> Em 08-10-2012 23:18, Donald Stewart escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nice, thanks for this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So fonts-ttf-open-dyslexic is avaliable in Cauldron.
+</I>
+Nice that is really good to know.
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+I wasnt meaning as default, but just available in the default install.
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+We should also make sure that this gets into the release notes.
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 21:21 +0100, Donald Stewart wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw this article today and I think that it would be great to add
+</I>&gt;<i> this to the default fonts that we have available as it would allow
+</I>&gt;<i> greater ease of access to people with dyslexia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic">https://github.com/antijingoist/open-dyslexic</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19734341</A>
+</I>
+The typographic experts I've heard from on this issue say that in
+general it doesn't help very much - increasing line spacing, for
+example, will help more, and almost none of the Linux software has that
+basic and essential feature.
+
+On the other hand, being seen to do something is not bad, as it may
+increase awareness.
+
+Liam
+
+--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:32:16PM -0400, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> llvmpipe.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On my system, running mga2, unblacklisting llvmpipe (so as to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regular gnome3, instead of classic/fallback mode) makes all display
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in regular gnome3 run extremely slow.
+</I>
+This includes the virtual console, or scrolling in gedit, neither of
+which has any need for accelerated display.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> It must be that llvmpipe is used for all display, even when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> acceleration isn't indicated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, that is not good. I'll test for a few days, otherwise I'll revert.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is reported in System Settings &#8594; Details under Graphics? llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i> or something else?
+</I>
+It says
+&quot;Carte graphique Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)&quot;
+
+Strangely enough, I have now uninstalled llvmpipe and am running gnome3
+in fallback/classic mode.
+But it said the same thing before uninstalling.
+I guess that the message is only set/reset under regular gnome.
+I don't think classic mode was slow with llvmpipe installed, but
+uninstalled it since llvmpipe was in the libllvm-devel package (version
+3.0 on mga2), which is huge (1 G in size).
+The equivalent package on fedora is apparently llvm-devel.
+(I uninstalled it to leave more space on /.)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, regular gnome3 might well be called &quot;tablet mode&quot;. A lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> extensions have been developped to revert to a display more like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gnome2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not using a tablet and suggest you first try it on a tablet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My wife has a tablet-like android computer. The default regular gnome3
+has the same appearance (and awkwardness to quickly access applications).
+Sorry, but don't have access to a tablet powerful enough to run gnome3.
+I looked at a number of extensions, and it was surprising how many were
+oriented to bringing back a more gnome2-like (and/or less tablet-like)
+appearance.
+So there are already solutions for most of the appearance problems.
+(And if necessary, I'll modify some to regain a convenient environment.)
+
+I'm surprised at the performance problems of llvmpipe. Although my cpu
+is 32-bit and 64-bit is recommended, it does have the recommended sse2
+function.
+See <A HREF="http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html">http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html</A>
+
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+Next to regain access to svn.)
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+<PRE>I just noticed that &quot;roadmap&quot; is listed with a dependency error, missing libshp.so.1. So I upgraded the shapelib packages and tried a local build, which failed.
+I then discovered that neoclust have removed the files in the shapelib packages. Specifically &quot;libshp.so&quot; and &quot;shapelib.h&quot;.
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+I checked out the package and tried a local build and the files are build, but not installed and packaged.
+Why are those files removed, when they are building? (They compile for me localy, at least)
+
+What should I do now with packages that depends on libshapelib-devel and libshapelib1, which currently have No files in them?
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+ <I>Tue Oct 9 07:25:52 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 9 octobre 2012 06:05:26 Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I just noticed that &quot;roadmap&quot; is listed with a dependency error, missing
+</I>&gt;<i> libshp.so.1. So I upgraded the shapelib packages and tried a local build,
+</I>&gt;<i> which failed. I then discovered that neoclust have removed the files in the
+</I>&gt;<i> shapelib packages. Specifically &quot;libshp.so&quot; and &quot;shapelib.h&quot;.
+</I>
+NO NO NO, i have not removed the files they were commented out already so we
+were shipping empty packages.
+
+&gt;<i> I checked out the package and tried a local build and the files are build,
+</I>&gt;<i> but not installed and packaged. Why are those files removed, when they are
+</I>&gt;<i> building? (They compile for me localy, at least)
+</I>
+so perfect fix it.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What should I do now with packages that depends on libshapelib-devel and
+</I>&gt;<i> libshapelib1, which currently have No files in them?
+</I>
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> so no libs provided anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7685">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7685</A> Oliver asked
+</I>&gt;<i> sysadmin to remove this bogus package so he can submit back the old
+</I>&gt;<i> one (1.5.x) until he fixed the 1.3.x version of shapelib but
+</I>&gt;<i> somehow thoses packages were not removed &amp; even more dlucio pushed
+</I>&gt;<i> a new 1.3.x version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I know it isn't a digikam's problem, but i'd like to apologize anyway,
+i cannot be of help in these days and until next week.
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+Cheers,
+ Angelo
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fixing%20shapelib%20%5BWas%3A%20Build%20error%3A%20%22/bin/ld%3A%20cannot%0A%09find%20-lshp%22%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C201210091015.19828.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 09 October 2012 07:25, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> fix it
+</I>
+Ok, then. Here's my attempt.
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+I've taken a look at it, and made partial progress.
+I've managed to get the shapelib.h installed and packaged, but it still doesn't compile libshp.so file, only libshp.a.
+And it seems to me that a new Makefile is the reason. so I'm not sure how to proceed.
+
+I have committed what I've done (but not submited). Hopefully Oliver can take a look at how to fix the remaning missing libshp.so file.
+It seems like there's only a missing compile line (cc) that might fix it, but the solution is evading me. Perhaps not surprising, since I'm not a programmer.
+
+
+I won't take offence if my attempt is not good enough, and get reverted and redone. :-)=
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+--
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fixing%20shapelib%20%5BWas%3A%20Build%20error%3A%20%22/bin/ld%3A%0A%20cannot%20find%20-lshp%22%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C5073E987.2060206%40gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Am 09.10.2012 10:15, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have committed what I've done (but not submited). Hopefully Oliver can take a look at how to fix the remaning missing libshp.so file.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems like there's only a missing compile line (cc) that might fix it, but the solution is evading me. Perhaps not surprising, since I'm not a programmer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+At the moment I don't have a clue, how to fix this, that's why I asked
+for removal of the new shapelib package.
+
+I will try and fix it then.
+I will ping sysadmins again, so we can push the old working shapelib.
+
+Oliver
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+<PRE>On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:08:23 +0200
+Oliver Burger wrote:
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+&gt;<i> At the moment I don't have a clue, how to fix this, that's why I asked
+</I>&gt;<i> for removal of the new shapelib package.
+</I>
+
+You might want to look at the rawhide 1.3.0b2 rpm.
+The patches will need to be re-diffed/updated for 1.3.0
+
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+ Charles
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Am 09.10.2012 11:16, schrieb Charles A Edwards:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:08:23 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment I don't have a clue, how to fix this, that's why I asked
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for removal of the new shapelib package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You might want to look at the rawhide 1.3.0b2 rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i> The patches will need to be re-diffed/updated for 1.3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am looking at it right now, but it seems, shapelib's Makefile did
+change a lot between 1.3.0b2 and 1.3.0.
+
+Oliver
+
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+--
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+
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3sj9nkj9n.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3">mageia at blino.org
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+<PRE>tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Name : mesa Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 9.0.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Oct 9 08:28:25 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 5889346 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.mesa3d.org">http://www.mesa3d.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : OpenGL 3.0 compatible 3D graphics library
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa is an OpenGL 3.0 compatible 3D graphics library.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 303797
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix blino packaging so that stable is newer than git snapshot
+</I>
+It was not my packaging, you changed yourself the version from 9.0.0 to
+9.0 in your initial 9.0 final commit...
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C507413A8.6050304%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 09/10/12 11:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : mesa Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 9.0.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Oct 9 08:28:25 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : System/Libraries Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 5889346 License: MIT
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : tv &lt;tv&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.mesa3d.org">http://www.mesa3d.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : OpenGL 3.0 compatible 3D graphics library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mesa is an OpenGL 3.0 compatible 3D graphics library.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303797
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix blino packaging so that stable is newer than git snapshot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was not my packaging, you changed yourself the version from 9.0.0 to
+</I>&gt;<i> 9.0 in your initial 9.0 final commit...
+</I>
+svn propedit --revprop svn:log + s/blino/tv/ :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:08:42AM -0400, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> zago a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 12:32:16PM -0400, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;+ Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;- add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;llvmpipe.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;On my system, running mga2, unblacklisting llvmpipe (so as to use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;regular gnome3, instead of classic/fallback mode) makes all display
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;in regular gnome3 run extremely slow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This includes the virtual console, or scrolling in gedit, neither of
+</I>&gt;<i> which has any need for accelerated display.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;It must be that llvmpipe is used for all display, even when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;acceleration isn't indicated.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Hmm, that is not good. I'll test for a few days, otherwise I'll revert.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;What is reported in System Settings &#8594; Details under Graphics? llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It says
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Carte graphique Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Strangely enough, I have now uninstalled llvmpipe and am running
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome3 in fallback/classic mode.
+</I>&gt;<i> But it said the same thing before uninstalling.
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess that the message is only set/reset under regular gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think classic mode was slow with llvmpipe installed, but
+</I>&gt;<i> uninstalled it since llvmpipe was in the libllvm-devel package
+</I>&gt;<i> (version 3.0 on mga2), which is huge (1 G in size).
+</I>&gt;<i> The equivalent package on fedora is apparently llvm-devel.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I uninstalled it to leave more space on /.)
+</I>
+So it seems to be using llvmpipe eventhough better methods are
+available. That is not what is supposed to be done :-(
+
+I'll check, otherwise I'll revert for now.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;BTW, regular gnome3 might well be called &quot;tablet mode&quot;. A lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;extensions have been developped to revert to a display more like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;gnome2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I am not using a tablet and suggest you first try it on a tablet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> My wife has a tablet-like android computer. The default regular
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome3 has the same appearance (and awkwardness to quickly access
+</I>&gt;<i> applications).
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, but don't have access to a tablet powerful enough to run gnome3.
+</I>&gt;<i> I looked at a number of extensions, and it was surprising how many
+</I>&gt;<i> were oriented to bringing back a more gnome2-like (and/or less
+</I>&gt;<i> tablet-like) appearance.
+</I>
+Judging based on appearance is not enough. One example: On a tablet
+computer you rely completely on the on screen keyboard. The on screen
+keyboard in GNOME 3 cannot be relied upon. A really reliable on screen
+keyboard would be great for accessibility reasons...
+
+Now if you really use a touch interface, you'll indeed have the same
+thing with GNOME 3 as with e.g. Android. But with either a mouse of a
+keyboard I don't see any difficulties. Obviously it works differently,
+but I have an Android phone and use GNOME 3 and the experience is not
+the same. There is more to it than showing applications as icons in a
+grid.
+
+&gt;<i> So there are already solutions for most of the appearance problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> (And if necessary, I'll modify some to regain a convenient
+</I>&gt;<i> environment.)
+</I>
+GNOME 3 allows for way more customizations than ever before.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm surprised at the performance problems of llvmpipe. Although my
+</I>&gt;<i> cpu is 32-bit and 64-bit is recommended, it does have the
+</I>&gt;<i> recommended sse2 function.
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html">http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (It has taken me ages to get gnome3 -- classic -- in a usable state.
+</I>&gt;<i> Next to regain access to svn.)
+</I>
+I tried it under Fedora and it was not slow. Currently we're long away
+from a stable release so IMO it is the right time for some testing, but
+it should at least not use llvmpipe when something better is available.
+
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303797
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix blino packaging so that stable is newer than git snapshot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was not my packaging, you changed yourself the version from 9.0.0 to
+</I>&gt;<i> 9.0 in your initial 9.0 final commit...
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 8 octobre 2012 16:29:01 Claire Robinson a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 08/10/12 16:20, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; working on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Rosa too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's an accepted Feature for Mga3, I guess it just needs people to work
+</I>&gt;<i> on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Grub2AsDefault</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Claire
+</I>
+does someone know where to start ?
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 01:09:07AM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't you have gnome-vfs2 on a default Gnome install?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That has been deprecated for many years. I hope by now nothing requires
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>
+Right, it seems nothing pulls gnome-gvfs2 from a default install, only:
+lib64gnome-vfs2_0:gnome-vfs2[&gt;= 2.24.4-3.mga2]
+gnome-python-gnomevfs:gnome-vfs2[&gt;= 2.0.2]
+lib64gnome-vfsmm2.6-devel:gnome-vfs2-devel[&gt;= 2.8.1]
+sugar-log-activity:gnome-vfs2
+gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs:gnome-vfs2[&gt; 1.9.4.00]
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+Shouldn't we drop gnome-gvfs2 + these then?
+
+And add a shared-mime-info require in a core Gnome package?
+(as Thierry said)
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+It seems lib64gio2.0_0 might be the proper place
+Try strings /usr/lib64/libgio-2.0.so | grep mime
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> On 9 October 2012 12:54, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 9.0.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303797
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix blino packaging so that stable is newer than git snapshot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It was not my packaging, you changed yourself the version from 9.0.0 to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 9.0 in your initial 9.0 final commit...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B/c it's really mesa-9.0 not 9.0.0...
+</I>
+Well, configure.ac reads 9.0.0, and has been like this during the all
+the dev cycle IIRC. And minor releases will be named 9.0.x
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:32:24PM +0200, ovitters wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : gnome-session Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 3.6.0 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 8 14:26:33 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.0-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303504
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - add patch to unblacklist llvmpipe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've unblacklisted llvmpipe like Fedora has done for a few releases. In
+</I>&gt;<i> some cases I noticed my normal driver not working (reason unknown), so
+</I>&gt;<i> in case GNOME is sometimes slow, check if it isn't rendering using
+</I>&gt;<i> llvmpipe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This should make it easier to run GNOME in a VM or any case where
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware acceleration is missing.
+</I>
+And this will make Gnome3 awfully slow on aging systems running high
+resolution displays.
+
+Even on a Core2 Duo (whose graphics chipset does not support a recent
+enough OpenGL version), a 1920x1080 display is extremly slow with
+llvmpipe.
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+--
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20iDevices%20support%20%28was%20Re%3A%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%0A%09core/release%20libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm38vbfjnbe.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"
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+<PRE>blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Name : libimobiledevice Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.1.4 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Tue Oct 9 00:24:27 2012
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien Nocera)
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+again in Cauldron.
+
+But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+
+We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+probably something that is expected by end-users.
+
+Any opinions about that?
+
+Thanks
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;<i> because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;<i> probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is more a question for mikala but, how is currently the support
+for iDevices in cauldron's KDE ? (I don't have a local cauldron
+install or VM ATM to test).
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+--
+Juancho
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks.
+However there is still a lot to do.
+
+Let's start with the easy Books/* group: all should go to Documentation,
+so it's easy (apart from the documentation packages that are currently
+in wrong groups).
+
+Here is the detailed list, sorted by maintainers. Please fix them!
+
+* Books/Computer books: 77
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+anaselli:ucommon-doc
+bertl:kernel-vserver-doc
+blino:wayland-doc
+blue_prawn:chipmunk-doc
+buchan:openldap-doc
+dmorgan:ant-contrib-javadoc
+dmorgan:jython-demo
+dmorgan:jython-javadoc
+dmorgan:jython-manual
+fwang:clanlib-docs
+jquelin:perl-Glib-doc
+jquelin:perl-Gtk2-doc
+jquelin:perl-Pango-doc
+jquelin:perl-PDL-doc
+kamil:lout-doc
+malo:ghc-doc
+malo:js_of_ocaml-doc
+malo:obrowser-doc
+malo:ocsigenserver-doc
+mitya:gsl-doc
+neoclust:cxxtest-doc
+neoclust:qt4-assistant
+neoclust:qt4-demos
+neoclust:qt4-doc
+neoclust:qt4-examples
+neoclust:qt4-linguist
+neoclust:qt5-assistant
+neoclust:qt5-doc
+neoclust:qt5-examples
+neoclust:qt5-linguist
+nobody:clang-doc
+nobody:dbus-doc
+nobody:directfb-doc
+nobody:docbook-style-dsssl-doc
+nobody:docbook-style-xsl-doc
+nobody:flute-javadoc
+nobody:geoclue-doc
+nobody:graphviz-doc
+nobody:grep-doc
+nobody:grub-doc
+nobody:gypsy-docs
+nobody:libbase-javadoc
+nobody:libfonts-javadoc
+nobody:libformula-javadoc
+nobody:liblayout-javadoc
+nobody:libloader-javadoc
+nobody:libmtp-doc
+nobody:libserializer-javadoc
+nobody:libx11-doc
+nobody:lkmpg
+nobody:llvm-doc
+nobody:mcpp-manual
+nobody:mplayer-doc
+nobody:nasm-doc
+nobody:nss-doc
+nobody:oar-doc
+nobody:opencv-doc
+nobody:opencv-samples
+nobody:pentaho-libxml-javadoc
+nobody:readline-doc
+nobody:sac-javadoc
+nobody:slang-doc
+nobody:xsd-doc
+ovitters:gnome-shell-docs
+ovitters:gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-doc
+pterjan:exiv2-doc
+shikamaru:zsh-doc
+shlomif:bash-doc
+shlomif:gawk-doc
+shlomif:gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-doc
+tmb:coreutils-doc
+tmb:kernel-doc
+tmb:kernel-linus-doc
+tmb:kernel-rt-doc
+zezinho:clanlib0.6-docs
+zezinho:clanlib0.8-docs
+zezinho:clanlib2.1-docs
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+* Books/Howtos: 7
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+colin:libalsa2-docs
+dmorgan:libcdr-doc
+dmorgan:libcdr-tools
+dmorgan:libmspub-doc
+dmorgan:qt-mobility-doc
+fwang:libvisio-doc
+nobody:qmf-doc
+
+* Books/Other: 155
+
+anaselli:python-xlib-doc
+dlucio:log4cpp-doc
+dmorgan:inchi-doc
+dmorgan:libomxil-bellagio-doc
+dmorgan:qtscriptgenerator-doc
+fwang:gimp-help-de
+fwang:gimp-help-el
+fwang:gimp-help-en
+fwang:gimp-help-es
+fwang:gimp-help-fi
+fwang:gimp-help-fr
+fwang:gimp-help-ja
+fwang:gimp-help-ko
+fwang:gimp-help-nn
+fwang:gimp-help-ru
+fwang:gimp-help-sl
+fwang:gimp-help-sv
+fwang:gimp-help-zh_CN
+fwang:goocanvasmm-doc
+guillomovitch:bind-doc
+kamil:drakx-installer-help
+malo:gtkglextmm-doc
+neoclust:akregator-handbook
+neoclust:ark-handbook
+neoclust:blinken-handbook
+neoclust:blogilo-handbook
+neoclust:bomber-handbook
+neoclust:bovo-handbook
+neoclust:cantor-handbook
+neoclust:dolphin-handbook
+neoclust:dragon-handbook
+neoclust:filelight-handbook
+neoclust:granatier-handbook
+neoclust:gwenview-handbook
+neoclust:jovie-handbook
+neoclust:juk-handbook
+neoclust:kaddressbook-handbook
+neoclust:kajongg-handbook
+neoclust:kalarm-handbook
+neoclust:kalgebra-handbook
+neoclust:kalzium-handbook
+neoclust:kamera-handbook
+neoclust:kanagram-handbook
+neoclust:kapman-handbook
+neoclust:kate-handbook
+neoclust:katomic-handbook
+neoclust:kbattleship-handbook
+neoclust:kblackbox-handbook
+neoclust:kblocks-handbook
+neoclust:kbounce-handbook
+neoclust:kbreakout-handbook
+neoclust:kbruch-handbook
+neoclust:kcalc-handbook
+neoclust:kcharselect-handbook
+neoclust:kcm_cddb-handbook
+neoclust:kcron-handbook
+neoclust:kde4-audiocd-handbook
+neoclust:kdeadmin4-handbooks
+neoclust:kdebase4-handbooks
+neoclust:kdebase4-runtime-handbook
+neoclust:kdebase4-workspace-handbooks
+neoclust:kdelibs4-handbooks
+neoclust:kdepasswd-handbook
+neoclust:kdepimlibs4-handbooks
+neoclust:kdf-handbook
+neoclust:kdiamond-handbook
+neoclust:kdm-handbook
+neoclust:kfilereplace-handbook
+neoclust:kfloppy-handbook
+neoclust:kfourinline-handbook
+neoclust:kgamma-handbook
+neoclust:kgeography-handbook
+neoclust:kget-handbook
+neoclust:kgoldrunner-handbook
+neoclust:kgpg-handbook
+neoclust:khangman-handbook
+neoclust:kig-handbook
+neoclust:kigo-handbook
+neoclust:killbots-handbook
+neoclust:kimagemapeditor-handbook
+neoclust:kinfocenter-handbook
+neoclust:kiriki-handbook
+neoclust:kiten-handbook
+neoclust:kjots-handbook
+neoclust:kjumpingcube-handbook
+neoclust:klettres-handbook
+neoclust:klickety-handbook
+neoclust:klines-handbook
+neoclust:klinkstatus-handbook
+neoclust:kmag-handbook
+neoclust:kmahjongg-handbook
+neoclust:kmail-handbook
+neoclust:kmines-handbook
+neoclust:kmix-handbook
+neoclust:kmousetool-handbook
+neoclust:kmouth-handbook
+neoclust:knetwalk-handbook
+neoclust:knode-handbook
+neoclust:knotes-handbook
+neoclust:kolf-handbook
+neoclust:kollision-handbook
+neoclust:kolourpaint-handbook
+neoclust:konqueror-handbook
+neoclust:konquest-handbook
+neoclust:konsole-doc
+neoclust:kontact-handbook
+neoclust:kopete-handbook
+neoclust:korganizer-handbook
+neoclust:kpat-handbook
+neoclust:kppp-handbook
+neoclust:krdc-handbook
+neoclust:kremotecontrol-handbook
+neoclust:kreversi-handbook
+neoclust:krfb-handbook
+neoclust:kruler-handbook
+neoclust:kshisen-handbook
+neoclust:ksirk-handbook
+neoclust:ksnapshot-handbook
+neoclust:kspaceduel-handbook
+neoclust:ksquares-handbook
+neoclust:ksudoku-handbook
+neoclust:ksystemlog-handbook
+neoclust:ktimer-handbook
+neoclust:ktimetracker-handbook
+neoclust:ktnef-handbook
+neoclust:ktron-handbook
+neoclust:ktuberling-handbook
+neoclust:kubrick-handbook
+neoclust:kuser-handbook
+neoclust:kwallet-handbook
+neoclust:kwrite-handbook
+neoclust:lskat-handbook
+neoclust:okular-handbook
+neoclust:palapeli-handbook
+neoclust:sweeper-handbook
+nobody:atkmm-doc
+nobody:cogl-doc
+nobody:freetds-doc
+nobody:gconfmm2.6-doc
+nobody:glibmm2.4-doc
+nobody:gnome-vfsmm2.6-doc
+nobody:gtkmm2.4-doc
+nobody:gtkmm3.0-doc
+nobody:libglademm2.4-doc
+nobody:libgnomecanvasmm2.6-doc
+nobody:libgnomeuimm2.6-doc
+nobody:libpcap-doc
+nobody:libsigc++2.0-doc
+nobody:tracker-docs
+nobody:xerces-c-doc
+ovitters:gnome-devel-docs
+ovitters:gnome-user-docs
+shlomif:pangomm-doc
+spuhler:php-manual-en
+stormi:graphicsmagick-doc
+
+I'll send some other lists of packages to fix in a few days. Meanwhile,
+please fix!
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+Thanks!
+--
+Malo
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fixing%20shapelib%20%5BWas%3A%20Build%20error%3A%20%22/bin/ld%3A%0A%20cannot%20find%20-lshp%22%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C5075188B.8090009%40gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]">oliver.bgr at gmail.com
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 08:41:15 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>TMB has removed the broken shapoelib packages from the repos so I can
+push the old version again.
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+But how do I do it?
+Can I push an older revision from svn?
+Or do I just revert the values in the spec file and push a new revision?
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+Oliver
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+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
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+Mageia contributor
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20iDevices%20support%20%28was%20Re%3A%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%0A%20cauldron%20core/release%20libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtZaJnohnJXVgTMw1kUESJpDdiRR75PdwNHzTEgVNLFd_w%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 09:22:30 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 10 October 2012 00:24, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien Nocera)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+</I>&gt;<i> again in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;<i> because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;<i> probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any opinions about that?
+</I>
+Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage">guillomovitch at gmail.com
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 09:35:15 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I'm a bit puzzled to discover than network-manager stores its
+connections configuration both under
+/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ and as legacy ifcfg files under
+/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. Given than both are available
+system-wise (by opposition to an user home directory), I don't
+understand the purpose of such split.
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+Moreover, in both cases, secrets are stored in plain-text... I was quite
+convinced than gnome keyring was supposed to be used, at least for
+user-specific connections. Am I completly wrong ?
+--
+BOFH excuse #229:
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+wrong polarity of neutron flow
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 10/10/12 08:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I'm a bit puzzled to discover than network-manager stores its
+</I>&gt;<i> connections configuration both under
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ and as legacy ifcfg files under
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. Given than both are available
+</I>&gt;<i> system-wise (by opposition to an user home directory), I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> understand the purpose of such split.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moreover, in both cases, secrets are stored in plain-text... I was quite
+</I>&gt;<i> convinced than gnome keyring was supposed to be used, at least for
+</I>&gt;<i> user-specific connections. Am I completly wrong ?
+</I>
+I don't know as I've not looked super closely, but I think the keeping
+of them in /etc/sysconfig/ folders is likely related to the add-on
+scripts in NM, rather than anything specific.
+
+I would obviously prefer if the details were kept in a keyring of some
+sort, but again I've not looked too closely.
+
+COl
+
+--
+
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+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%202%20core/updates_testing%0A%09drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtZoTq2%3DWQv-h7_%2BDqhMj1TJhjXj%3DhnMu95FG-acyZUs1Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 8 October 2012 23:42, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> so far there is discussed to atleast add versioned boot(-nonfree).iso
+</I>&gt;<i> that uses the 3.4 series kernel to the install tree...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if we have some needed fixes that would be good / not too intrusive
+</I>&gt;<i> to have, we could fix it... and the bug Colin is referring to should
+</I>&gt;<i> be fixed regardless...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Speaking of this...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thierry,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - do you thing the fixes to the firmware loading bug can be backported
+</I>&gt;<i> safely ?
+</I>
+It needs more testing.
+If you've a network/disk card that need a firmware... :-)
+
+Maybe playing with an ATI card and using stage1 firmware loading in the initrd.
+
+&gt;<i> - and I guess we should backport the kmod modules.order bugfix for
+</I>&gt;<i> compressed modules should be fixed too, wdyt ?
+</I>
+Yes!
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/8 Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">manuel.mageia at hiebel.eu</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 08/10/2012 15:27, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PoK started something in Mandriva with the classical installer, maybe Rosa
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Indeed!
+
+While I had hopes of us getting our first beta ready soon, I've decided to
+postpone it, very much due to running late with grub2 stuff, which it some
+of the features that I have on my *MUSTDO* list and I find crucial to have
+ready for deployment in time for a beta candidate.
+So far I've only switched the installer to use grub2 (and unfortunately my
+work on the installer won't be that easy for you to merge and benefit from
+as I've done some heavy work on cleaning up, sanitizing and rewriting the
+tools to create the installer in python, for which the python code is
+rather modest, but this is very much due to heavy work and improvements on
+the distribution core in advance and also tied into various new rpm
+functionality that I've implemented myself and that there's been next to
+zero interest in from anyone at Mageia. So unfortunately I don't see it as
+very realistic to see any of it making it into Mageia, despite the obvious
+mutual benefits, poltics keeps getting in the way..
+
+For ROSA they migrated to grub 2 a somewhat while ago, their work can most
+likely be picked up and more easily be reused by yourself as the required
+changes in drakx has been done already in a drakx branch with relatively
+few changes commited to it, likely making it fairly trivial to merge.
+
+Personally I'm not sure if I'll go with the same approach as ROSA and
+upstream grub encourages by default, but would rather have a grub
+configurantion entry shipped with each kernel package, ie. like a .
+/boot/grub2/cfg.d directory where one could put like
+/boot/grub2/cfg.d/3.4.1-1.4-desktop.grub which houlds the config with
+kernel and initrd images, which gets automatically read by grub without
+having to regenerate whole grub2 configuration each time a new package gets
+installed.
+This would also free one from any special tools and script to handle this
+for each and every kernel as is the situation today..
+This would also be quite distribution neutral as well. :)
+
+I'm not sure of what use this might actually be or even if any at any sense
+for others to try grasp, but I hope to have grub 2 migration more or less
+working in a week or so, I've decided to push a second alpha as soon as I'm
+done with my work on the installer for this round, then hopefully a beta 2
+should be about ready in a couple more weeks or so..
+
+Don't hesitate asking any questions if you have any interest in my work on
+these things. :)
+
+--
+Regards,
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/8 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working on
+</I>&gt;<i> it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You mean this ?
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-September/018934.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-September/018934.html</A>
+
+&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas.
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+<PRE>Am 10.10.2012 13:19, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 10 October 2012 08:41, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But how do I do it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can I push an older revision from svn?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the way to do that is: &quot;mgarepo submit -r 12345 package&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>But I think I have to reupload the old tar ball, don't I?
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 10 October 2012 14:56, Oliver Burger wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I think the way to do that is: &quot;mgarepo submit -r 12345 package&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think I have to reupload the old tar ball, don't I?
+</I>
+No, that's why you're submiting an old revision. :-)=
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 10 octobre 2012 14:15:05 Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/8 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is there any plans to add grub2 support ? is there someone already working
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-September/018934.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-September/018934.html</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Oliver Burger at 10/10/12 13:56 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Am 10.10.2012 13:19, schrieb Johnny A. Solbu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wednesday 10 October 2012 08:41, Oliver Burger wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But how do I do it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can I push an older revision from svn?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the way to do that is: &quot;mgarepo submit -r 12345 package&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think I have to reupload the old tar ball, don't I?
+</I>
+No, the tarball is still in the binrepo (they never get removed - we may
+have to do purges from time to time, but at the moment it contains
+everything we've ever done AFAIK), the sha1.txt file in the SOURCES
+folder is what controls which binaries are used and it should be covered
+by the revision you pass with -r when submitting.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fixing%20shapelib%20%5BWas%3A%20Build%20error%3A%20%22/bin/ld%3A%0A%20cannot%20find%20-lshp%22%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C507588B9.2070607%40gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> No, the tarball is still in the binrepo (they never get removed - we may
+</I>&gt;<i> have to do purges from time to time, but at the moment it contains
+</I>&gt;<i> everything we've ever done AFAIK), the sha1.txt file in the SOURCES
+</I>&gt;<i> folder is what controls which binaries are used and it should be covered
+</I>&gt;<i> by the revision you pass with -r when submitting.
+</I>Oh, I thought they were removed...
+Ok, old shapelib resubmitted.
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+I will work on the new one in the near future.
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2012/9/30 Steven Tucker &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tuxta2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it was my language of choice I would be writing it in C++. It was 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> due to discussions on the list and in IRC that led to writing it in Perl.
+</I>&gt;<i> As noted, I have previously never written any Perl, and so it would not
+</I>&gt;<i> have been my first or even second choice, I did it purely because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> feedback I received from the Mageia community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perl is a dead-end, and most of the code is horrible even by perl
+standards, we've been started on rewriting a lots of the code for drakx in
+mandriva, some of the progress has been rather slow, but things are
+moving at least, where I've already rewritten much of the perl specific
+parts of it has been rewritten in C &amp; shell so far, with some of the tools
+to generate the installer isos being rewritten in python so far.
+
+What I'm intending to target is more of some new libraries for the purpose
+(ie. the backend), preferrably written in C++, whileas higher level
+functionality such as gui matters would have ie. some python bindings
+provided as well.
+
+It's not really *that* much code that needs to be rewritten, the worst part
+is to try dechiffer and wasting more time spent on trying to understand the
+code than just writing the code once you know how to do it.
+
+The drakx tools's perl code should really be considered as legacy, I can't
+think of anyone who has deeper insight on it who'd ever find anything but
+som sentimental value from it..
+
+If you'd have any interest in any of this, don't hesitate to get in touch.
+:<i>)
+</I>
+PS: considering your drakx branch is a fork of the original upstream drakx
+project and that these two have heavily diverged since, established
+etiquete would dictate that the forket project should change..
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 18:34:07 CEST 2012</I>
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+how can we deal with this bug <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514</A> ?
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+is my suggestion the good one ?
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11</A>
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 18:40:05 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> The drakx tools's perl code should really be considered as legacy, I can't
+</I>&gt;<i> think of anyone who has deeper insight on it who'd ever find anything but
+</I>&gt;<i> som sentimental value from it..
+</I>
+How can you expect cooperation by saying blunt things like this?
+Don't you think you make the &quot;politics&quot; issues bigger just by yourself?
+
+&gt;<i> PS: considering your drakx branch is a fork of the original upstream drakx
+</I>&gt;<i> project and that these two have heavily diverged since, established
+</I>&gt;<i> etiquete would dictate that the forket project should change..
+</I>
+Well, many authors of DrakX have switched to Mageia, making it a
+natural host.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>zago</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center">olav at vitters.nl
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+ <I>Wed Oct 10 19:00:41 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:31:09PM +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+&gt;<i> PS: considering your drakx branch is a fork of the original upstream drakx
+</I>&gt;<i> project and that these two have heavily diverged since, established
+</I>&gt;<i> etiquete would dictate that the forket project should change..
+</I>
+Various projects have forked gnome-shell, mutter (which was a fork of
+metacity), nautilus, etc. I don't really see why e.g. nautilus should
+have any influence on any of its forks? I'm guessing I don't understand
+what you're trying to say though.
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+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 09:22:30 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
+&gt;<i> On 10 October 2012 00:24, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Nocera)&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; again in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Any opinions about that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
+</I>
+perhaps if it is or not on certain media should not be depedant on package
+dependencies...
+
+why don't we just have a task-iso-dvd, task-iso-kde, task-iso-gnome and be
+done with all these dependency changes?
+
+cause one of these days we'll be reintroducing something that shouldn't be on
+basesystem or basesystem-minimal ...
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+just my 2 cents,
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+AL13N
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+<PRE>2012/10/9 Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre-malo.denielou at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> However there is still a lot to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's start with the easy Books/* group: all should go to Documentation,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it's easy (apart from the documentation packages that are currently
+</I>&gt;<i> in wrong groups).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Malo
+</I>
+All -handbooks are already fixed in svn : i did it when i upgraded KDE
+to 4.9.2 but i never submitted so far due to :
+- embargo
+- iso generation for alpha2
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20121011081451.GA31898%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>
+This is wrong.
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+$ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+typelib(Meta) = 3.0
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+I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:12:31PM +0200, barjac wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : grub2 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : barjac &lt;barjac&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : alpha.gnu.org/pub/gnu/grub/
+</I>
+That is not an URL.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Steven Tucker at 11/10/12 04:26 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have just paid for my ticket and accommodation to <A HREF="http://linux.conf.au">http://linux.conf.au</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> apparently the only conference Linus always attends because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel dev meeting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any Mageia people going? If so let me know, we can catch up. Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> even spread the Mageia word.
+</I>
+This is one of those few conferences I've always wanted to attend. Sadly
+it's always in &quot;winter&quot; for me, which is usually a bad time to travel so
+far! Maybe one year tho'...
+
+Hope it's a fun conference!
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>11.10.2012 11:14, Olav Vitters skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ rpm -q gnome-shell --requires | grep Meta
+</I>&gt;<i> typelib(Meta)
+</I>&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Because of:
+$ urpmq --provides -p &quot;typelib(Meta)&quot;
+muffin: muffin[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+muffin: muffin(x86-64)[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+muffin: default.so()(64bit)
+muffin: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+
+lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64)[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+lib64mutter-gir3.0: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+
+but gnome-shell does not work with muffin, it needs lib64mutter-gir3.0
+
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+--
+
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:47:01AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 11:14, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;$ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;$ rpm -q gnome-shell --requires | grep Meta
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;typelib(Meta)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides -p &quot;typelib(Meta)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin: muffin[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin: muffin(x86-64)[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin: default.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> muffin: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64)[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but gnome-shell does not work with muffin, it needs lib64mutter-gir3.0
+</I>
+So if Muffin is breaking this automatic dependency tracking, then IMO
+the bug is in Muffin. It (upstream/ package) should properly rename
+things as not to cause bugs in GNOME packages. Even if upstream doesn't
+do that, a muffin package should not provide something which conflicts
+with mutter. That automatic provides should be removed in Muffin IMO.
+
+The import of Cinnamon caused a very big QA issue in GNOME. I don't like
+that. Cinnamon came after GNOME, so the extra work to support Cinnamon
+should be limited to Cinnamon packages, not GNOME ones.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 11/10/12 10:21 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:47:01AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 11:14, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q gnome-shell --requires | grep Meta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides -p &quot;typelib(Meta)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin(x86-64)[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: default.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64)[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but gnome-shell does not work with muffin, it needs lib64mutter-gir3.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So if Muffin is breaking this automatic dependency tracking, then IMO
+</I>&gt;<i> the bug is in Muffin. It (upstream/ package) should properly rename
+</I>&gt;<i> things as not to cause bugs in GNOME packages. Even if upstream doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> do that, a muffin package should not provide something which conflicts
+</I>&gt;<i> with mutter. That automatic provides should be removed in Muffin IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The import of Cinnamon caused a very big QA issue in GNOME. I don't like
+</I>&gt;<i> that. Cinnamon came after GNOME, so the extra work to support Cinnamon
+</I>&gt;<i> should be limited to Cinnamon packages, not GNOME ones.
+</I>
++1
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and philippe makowski at 10/10/12 17:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how can we deal with this bug <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is my suggestion the good one ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11</A>
+</I>
+Seems like a good one, but importing notify2 is only part one. The
+second part would be modifying anything that uses the current module to
+use the new one...
+
+Col
+
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
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+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>11.10.2012 13:58, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we should revert in Cauldron?
+</I>Well, it's cauldron and the bug will be fixed before we get it reverted. We just have to
+wait a day or two. 16.0.1 candidate is already uploaded, so the bug is probably already fixed..
+
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 11/10/12 10:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:47:01AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 11:14, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan &lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q gnome-shell --requires | grep Meta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides -p &quot;typelib(Meta)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin(x86-64)[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: default.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64)[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but gnome-shell does not work with muffin, it needs lib64mutter-gir3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if Muffin is breaking this automatic dependency tracking, then IMO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the bug is in Muffin. It (upstream/ package) should properly rename
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things as not to cause bugs in GNOME packages. Even if upstream doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do that, a muffin package should not provide something which conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with mutter. That automatic provides should be removed in Muffin IMO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The import of Cinnamon caused a very big QA issue in GNOME. I don't like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that. Cinnamon came after GNOME, so the extra work to support Cinnamon
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be limited to Cinnamon packages, not GNOME ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+cinnamon isn't in mageia and muffin isn't required by anything. Maybe
+we can remove it from mageia.
+
+WDYT ?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of this...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do you thing the fixes to the firmware loading bug can be backported
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> safely ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It needs more testing.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you've a network/disk card that need a firmware... :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe playing with an ATI card and using stage1 firmware loading in the initrd.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - and I guess we should backport the kmod modules.order bugfix for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compressed modules should be fixed too, wdyt ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes!
+</I>
+Also I've backported fixing NTFS resizing (got gratuitously broken when ntfs-3g
+obsoleted ntfsprogs w/o including our patch)
+
+I wonder why nobody reported this for Mageia2
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+<PRE>Le 11/10/2012 14:19, D.Morgan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 11/10/12 10:21 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:47:01AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 11:14, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:08:51PM +0200, ennael wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Make gnome-shell to require libmutter-gir3.0 ( mga #7710 )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q lib64mutter-gir3.0 --provides
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0 = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64) = 3.6.0-1.mga3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ rpm -q gnome-shell --requires | grep Meta
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> typelib(Meta) = 3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see why an explicit libmutter-gir3.0 would be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because of:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmq --provides -p &quot;typelib(Meta)&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: muffin(x86-64)[== 1:1.1.1-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: default.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> muffin: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: lib64mutter-gir3.0(x86-64)[== 3.6.0-1.mga3]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> lib64mutter-gir3.0: typelib(Meta)[== 3.0]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but gnome-shell does not work with muffin, it needs lib64mutter-gir3.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if Muffin is breaking this automatic dependency tracking, then IMO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the bug is in Muffin. It (upstream/ package) should properly rename
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> things as not to cause bugs in GNOME packages. Even if upstream doesn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> do that, a muffin package should not provide something which conflicts
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with mutter. That automatic provides should be removed in Muffin IMO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The import of Cinnamon caused a very big QA issue in GNOME. I don't like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that. Cinnamon came after GNOME, so the extra work to support Cinnamon
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be limited to Cinnamon packages, not GNOME ones.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cinnamon isn't in mageia and muffin isn't required by anything. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> we can remove it from mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT ?
+</I>
+Please do. That subject has been discussed already too many times
+Thanks
+
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 13:58, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should revert in Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it's cauldron and the bug will be fixed before we get it reverted. We just have to
+</I>&gt;<i> wait a day or two. 16.0.1 candidate is already uploaded, so the bug is probably already fixed..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>True - however since I use Cauldron 24/7 I have reverted to 15.0.1 and
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+On 11/10/2012 14:24, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 10 October 2012 11:44, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Speaking of this...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - do you thing the fixes to the firmware loading bug can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> backported safely ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It needs more testing. If you've a network/disk card that need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> firmware... :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe playing with an ATI card and using stage1 firmware loading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the initrd.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - and I guess we should backport the kmod modules.order bugfix
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for compressed modules should be fixed too, wdyt ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also I've backported fixing NTFS resizing (got gratuitously broken
+</I>&gt;<i> when ntfs-3g obsoleted ntfsprogs w/o including our patch)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why nobody reported this for Mageia2
+</I>
+Hmm, I do remember not getting the resizing screen after choosing to
+use a windowspartition, but installer just continuing. Is that what
+you are referring to? If so: I didn't file a bug report because I
+thought my expectations had been wrong.
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+ <B>philippe makowski</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/11 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and philippe makowski at 10/10/12 17:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how can we deal with this bug <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514</A> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is my suggestion the good one ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6514#c11</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like a good one, but importing notify2 is only part one. The
+</I>&gt;<i> second part would be modifying anything that uses the current module to
+</I>&gt;<i> use the new one...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>yes, and there is too much dependencies on python-notify
+
+so I will let python-notify as is, since I have no idea to fix the bug
+but will import a new package for notify2
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+&gt;<i> On 11/10/12 12:29, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 13:58, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should revert in Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's cauldron and the bug will be fixed before we get it reverted. We just have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wait a day or two. 16.0.1 candidate is already uploaded, so the bug is probably already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fixed..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True - however since I use Cauldron 24/7 I have reverted to 15.0.1 and added it to
+</I>&gt;<i> skip.list for my own peace of mind ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>So, instead of 1 security hole you now have 14 (most of them critical
+:<i><A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox16">http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox16</A>)? ;P
+</I>
+Not sure if it's safer or not :)
+
+--
+Sander
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+<PRE>On Thursday 11 October 2012 14:24, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> I wonder why nobody reported this for Mageia2
+</I>
+One reason might be that theer aren't that many users who are resixing NTFS partitions that are likely to repport it as a bug.
+Many users never file a bug when they encounter a problem, sometimes because they don't know how or where to repport it, and tries other distros untill it works as they expect.
+I used to be one of them, some 9 years ago. :-)=
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Also I've backported fixing NTFS resizing (got gratuitously broken
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when ntfs-3g obsoleted ntfsprogs w/o including our patch)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wonder why nobody reported this for Mageia2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I do remember not getting the resizing screen after choosing to
+</I>&gt;<i> use a windowspartition, but installer just continuing. Is that what
+</I>&gt;<i> you are referring to? If so: I didn't file a bug report because I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought my expectations had been wrong.
+</I>
+The bug I refer to is that drakx offer to resize NTFS as &quot;let's _format_
+it to a smaller partition&quot;
+Actual message is &quot;After resizing partition /dev/foobar, all data
+on this partition will be lost&quot;
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 11 oktober 2012 19:19:33 schreef Sander Lepik:
+&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 18:32, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 11/10/12 12:29, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 11.10.2012 13:58, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Maybe we should revert in Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Well, it's cauldron and the bug will be fixed before we get it reverted.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We just have to wait a day or two. 16.0.1 candidate is already uploaded,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; so the bug is probably already fixed..
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; True - however since I use Cauldron 24/7 I have reverted to 15.0.1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; added it to skip.list for my own peace of mind ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Barry
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, instead of 1 security hole you now have 14 (most of them critical
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :<A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox1">http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> :6)? ;P
+</I>&gt;<i> Not sure if it's safer or not :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+the thing is: 1 very new one, or 14 old ones... that's the trick...
+
+1 for which only very very recently an exploit and 14 widespread exploits
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests
+again...
+
+But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and add
+any information about versions and new softwares:
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+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha2</A>
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+Cheers
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+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> Please do. That subject has been discussed already too many times
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>
+For now I've killed the provides in muffin. I guess removing a package
+means asking a sysadmin?
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+--
+Regards,
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+<PRE>Em 11-10-2012 21:33, Anne Nicolas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests
+</I>&gt;<i> again...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and add
+</I>&gt;<i> any information about versions and new softwares:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_alpha2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What about mass rebuild? Is it still waiting for some bricks?
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+<PRE>Le 11/10/2012 22:16, zago a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:03:07PM +0200, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please do. That subject has been discussed already too many times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For now I've killed the provides in muffin. I guess removing a package
+</I>&gt;<i> means asking a sysadmin?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks. Muffin has been removed now.
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+On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:33:51 +0200
+Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests
+</I>&gt;<i> again...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and add
+</I>&gt;<i> any information about versions and new softwares:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm not singling the OP's message in particular, but since this is a common
+mistake, I thought I'd highlight it. In English, &quot;software&quot; is an uncountable
+noun and so one should not say &quot;softwares&quot; or &quot;a software&quot;.
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+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>2012/10/12 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:33:51 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any information about versions and new softwares:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not singling the OP's message in particular, but since this is a common
+</I>&gt;<i> mistake, I thought I'd highlight it. In English, &quot;software&quot; is an uncountable
+</I>&gt;<i> noun and so one should not say &quot;softwares&quot; or &quot;a software&quot;.
+</I>
+But &quot;(soft)warez&quot; :)
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+<PRE>Hi Wolfgang,
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+On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:01:44 +0200
+Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/12 Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:33:51 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That was a real alpha release! Bugs, flu, tests and tests and tests
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; again...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But alpha 2 is now very near. Please have a look in wiki page and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; add any information about versions and new softwares:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not singling the OP's message in particular, but since this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a common mistake, I thought I'd highlight it. In English,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;software&quot; is an uncountable noun and so one should not say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;softwares&quot; or &quot;a software&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But &quot;(soft)warez&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+See:
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+<A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wares">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wares</A> (meaning No. 2).
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
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+<PRE>On 12 October 2012 11:51, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 7.6-42.mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 2907
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove old ldconfig scriptlets
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package tcp_wrappers
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+Why? This is more or less deprecated with systemd...
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 12 October 2012 11:51, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 7.6-42.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 2907
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - remove old ldconfig scriptlets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package tcp_wrappers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why? This is more or less deprecated with systemd...
+</I>
+See the tagged release in the changelog, it reads mga1:
+blino &lt;blino&gt; 7.6-42.mga1
+
+I did not submit it this time (it was Funda), I don't know why it
+appears this way, maybe because of a missing release bump.
+
+Though, it is still required by tons of packages, and provides hosts*
+manpages.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 12/10/12 13:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 12 October 2012 11:51, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 7.6-42.mga1:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 2907
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - remove old ldconfig scriptlets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - imported package tcp_wrappers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why? This is more or less deprecated with systemd...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See the tagged release in the changelog, it reads mga1:
+</I>&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 7.6-42.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not submit it this time (it was Funda), I don't know why it
+</I>&gt;<i> appears this way, maybe because of a missing release bump.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Though, it is still required by tons of packages, and provides hosts*
+</I>&gt;<i> manpages.
+</I>
+Yup:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ rpm -e tcp_wrappers
+error: Failed dependencies:
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) ntop-4.1.0-6.mga3.x86_64
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) xinetd-2.3.15-2.mga3.x86_64
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) net-snmp-5.7.1-6.mga3.x86_64
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) quota-3.17-8.mga3.x86_64
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) openssh-6.1p1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ tcp_wrappers is needed by (installed) nfs-utils-1:1.2.6-6.mga3.x86_64
+
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+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> ~]$ rpm -e lib64wrap0
+error: Failed dependencies:
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+mariadb-core-5.5.25-2.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed) xinetd-2.3.15-2.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+lib64net-snmp30-5.7.1-6.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed) quota-3.17-8.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+openssh-server-6.1p1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed) gdm-3.6.0-1.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+nfs-utils-1:1.2.6-6.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed) systemd-194-1.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+lib64pulsecommon2.1-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+lib64pulseaudio0-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
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+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed) pulseaudio-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
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+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
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+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-jack-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
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+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-gconf-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-xen-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-module-lirc-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ libwrap.so.0()(64bit) is needed by (installed)
+pulseaudio-utils-2.1-5.mga3.x86_64
+ lib64wrap0 = 7.6-42.mga1 is needed by (installed)
+lib64wrap-devel-7.6-42.mga1.x86_64
+
+
+
+So while I agree that we should likely try and start phasing out
+redundant systems (xinetd next? :p) it's perhaps a bit too early to go
+down this route just yet for this package.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Also I've backported fixing NTFS resizing (got gratuitously broken when ntfs-3g
+</I>&gt;<i> obsoleted ntfsprogs w/o including our patch)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder why nobody reported this for Mageia2
+</I>
+I experienced the bug a while back (or maybe saw somebody on IRC having
+the bug, trem?), but never found time to fix it.
+
+Thanks for having fixed this longstanding one!
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+--
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 12 23:51:48 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Name : drakx-net Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.16 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 12 09:13:00 2012
+</I>
+[...]
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+&gt;<i> - fix device path for &quot;cdc_acm&quot; (mga#3841)
+</I>
+Fix? No, that's not a fix.
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+ my $tty_interface = 0;
+...
+ $self-&gt;get_driver eq &quot;cdc_acm&quot; ?
+- &quot;/dev/ttyACM&quot; . $tty_interface :
++ &quot;/dev/ttyACM0&quot; . $tty_interface :
+
+You hardcoded the &quot;0&quot;, while it was supposed to be the content of the
+tty_interface variable.
+
+Instead, the tty interface detection code should be fixed.
+But I don't understand how it could be broken, we already default to &quot;0&quot;
+for tty_interface.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+ <I>Sat Oct 13 19:52:16 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+This is a first patch, concerning the drakdisk feature
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
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+the patch does the following:
+- group the functionality to actually get all the disks in a function
+- pass a ref to the function as the do_force_reload parameter to interactive
+- make a Refresh function that returns &quot;force_reload&quot;
+- add a button in the gtk
+
+what it still needs for the first stage of this feature:
+- a button for the curses one
+- remove the abort message if no disks are found, but add a text in place of
+the disk tabs to say there are no disks and telling you can refresh after
+plugging in a disk.
+
+
+attached is a small patch for /soft/drakx
+
+can *anyone* tell me if i'm on the right track, or if i'm doing ugly stuff, or
+if i'm forgetting important parts?
+
+Thanks,
+
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+Could someone knowledgeable please fix this annoying bug:
+/lib64/liblzma.so.5: no version information available
+It has been around for a while.
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+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09svgalib-1.9.25-8.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtZ8GitWeDG9vn9tEFQwaLeqWaPNnOd9v_jYMPOFbkyzMA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 14 October 2012 06:01, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.9.25-8.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 305300
+</I>&gt;<i> - lock libmajor
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+BTW, it's insecure, unneeded those days where we have FB &amp; KMS.
+I would favor stop linking against it and drop it....
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+ <I>Sun Oct 14 15:25:58 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>2012/10/5 blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Name : ocaml Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.00.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 5 18:46:33 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/OCaml Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 3345223 License: QPL with exceptions and LGPLv2 with exceptions
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://caml.inria.fr">http://caml.inria.fr</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The OCaml compiler and programming environment
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> OCaml is a high-level, strongly-typed, functional and object-oriented
+</I>&gt;<i> programming language from the ML family of languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 4.00.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 302936
+</I>&gt;<i> - update to last version 4.00.1
+</I>
+Could you have a look @ facile package because due to new ocaml it's
+going to prevent the build of kalzium ?
+
+A simple rebuild seems to failed on this in local iurt :
+
+ocamlc.opt -g -c fcl_data.ml
+File &quot;fcl_data.ml&quot;, line 1:
+Error: The implementation fcl_data.ml
+ does not match the interface fcl_data.cmi:
+ ...
+ In module Hashtbl:
+ Values do not match:
+ val create : ?random:bool -&gt; int -&gt; ('a, 'b) Hashtbl.t
+ is not included in
+ val create : int -&gt; ('a, 'b) t
+ File &quot;fcl_data.ml&quot;, line 19, characters 6-12: Actual declaration
+make[1]: *** [fcl_data.cmo] Error 2
+make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mikala/rpm/BUILD/facile-1.1/src'
+make: *** [compile] Error 2
+error: Bad exit status from /home/mikala/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.Zklk80 (%build)
+
+
+Thanks,
+
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+After some days of bug hunting, alpha 2 isos are finally available for
+tests. You will find both classical installer and live CDs and DVDs.
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+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/10/14/after-a-nice-bug-hunting-mageia-3-alpha-2-is-out/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/10/14/after-a-nice-bug-hunting-mageia-3-alpha-2-is-out/</A>
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+As usual we need as many reports as possible to improve the next release.
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+Enjoy!
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+--
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+Since alpha 2 is out i'm now going to push KDE SC 4.9.2 on cauldron
+There's also at least 2 regressions :
+- for kopete , the otr support will be not build since it does not
+support the last version of otr pushed a few days ago.
+- for kalzium, since facile was not rebuild against new ocaml the
+equation solver won't work.
+
+I'll also push later telepathy-kde 0.5.1 too
+
+Regards,
+
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+--
+Balcaen John
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20iDevices%20support%20%28was%20Re%3A%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%0A%09cauldron%20core/release%20libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3sj9gfw9j.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"
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+&gt;<i> On 10 October 2012 00:24, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien Nocera)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any opinions about that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
+</I>
+Can't we fix bcd to handle suggests?
+Suggests usually pull in important features.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>2012/10/14 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10 October 2012 00:24, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien Nocera)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any opinions about that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't we fix bcd to handle suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests usually pull in important features.
+</I>If thoses &#171; features &#187; are really important for the maintainer, than
+it should probably use a requires (even if it seems to be too much :p
+).
+Also if i'm not wrong it is possible to ask bcd to add specific
+package which should be enough here i guess/hope.
+
+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Angelo Naselli</B>
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+<PRE>Il 14/10/2012 23:17, John Balcaen ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> Since alpha 2 is out i'm now going to push KDE SC 4.9.2 on cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> There's also at least 2 regressions :
+</I>&gt;<i> - for kopete , the otr support will be not build since it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> support the last version of otr pushed a few days ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> - for kalzium, since facile was not rebuild against new ocaml the
+</I>&gt;<i> equation solver won't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll also push later telepathy-kde 0.5.1 too
+</I>
+Does it contain new libkipi (for digikam 3.0.0 from gsoc 2012) in
+kdegraphics?
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+The digikam problem found for desktop file conflict, is not upstream,
+it has just been added by using internal kdegraphics building.
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+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't we fix bcd to handle suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests usually pull in important features.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think that would bloat or image and is not really needed.
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Le 15/10/2012 01:51, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10 October 2012 00:24, Olivier Blin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blino&lt;blino&gt; 1.1.4-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 303682
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fix crash in upowerd when run from systemd (from upstream git, Bastien Nocera)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I've fixed a few things to get iDevices (iPod, iPhone, iPad) detected
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> again in Cauldron.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But in a default install, it still won't be recognized in nautilus,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because we don't install gvfs-iphone by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this something that we can suggest in libimobiledevice or nautilus?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We already pull a bunch of libimobiledevice things anyway (thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upower, er?!...), and having iDevices working out of the box is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably something that is expected by end-users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any opinions about that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suggests means not having it on install DVD...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't we fix bcd to handle suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests usually pull in important features.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+bcd does handle suggests. But we do not use it as we will get much too
+big isos. We can also add packages to existing lists to include it in iso.
+
+But if it's that important why not add a require?
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ibus-1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3">olav at vitters.nl
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+ <I>Mon Oct 15 10:02:28 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:34:18AM +0200, fwang wrote:
+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 306008
+</I>&gt;<i> - turn the macro into glib settings
+</I>
+As the alpha has been released and 1.4.99 is now available I've enabled
+ibus support in GNOME. Could be the cause some issues of course. I've
+added Suggests for ibus-gtk3 and ibus-gtk in gnome-settings-daemon, as
+this support should be optional (might link against the lib, but you
+should be able to get rid of actually making use of ibus).
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+<PRE>Hey!
+
+I have some very stupid problem on Mageia 2 with NM. I created system
+wide connection so that it gets connected at boot time. Now if wifi
+happens to drop for some reason, NM won't reconnect and asks for *root*
+password. Search results so long show that i'm not the only one having
+that problem. And some suggest to add my user to network group. I think
+it's a bad idea and in Mageia we have solved such problems better. Any
+ideas how can i avoid that root password prompt?
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+--
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Suggests usually pull in important features.
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+</I>&gt;<i> bcd does handle suggests. But we do not use it as we will get much too big
+</I>&gt;<i> isos. We can also add packages to existing lists to include it in iso.
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+</I>&gt;<i> But if it's that important why not add a require?
+</I>
+Or else he could not have spent money on a proprietary device :-)
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Sander Lepik at 15/10/12 09:47 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hey!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some very stupid problem on Mageia 2 with NM. I created system
+</I>&gt;<i> wide connection so that it gets connected at boot time. Now if wifi
+</I>&gt;<i> happens to drop for some reason, NM won't reconnect and asks for *root*
+</I>&gt;<i> password. Search results so long show that i'm not the only one having
+</I>&gt;<i> that problem. And some suggest to add my user to network group. I think
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a bad idea and in Mageia we have solved such problems better. Any
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas how can i avoid that root password prompt?
+</I>
+Hmm, it's a polkit auth dialog if i'm not mistaken. I've never had to
+enter the root password, just my user password, but I guess if it's a
+system wide connection then the root password makes sense here.
+
+We could of course tweak the default polkit policy here to not require
+that, but is that wise in and off itself? e.g. you wouldn't want a
+student to reconfigure the terminals in a university network without
+authorisation. It should likely be tied to security levels in some capacity.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Sander Lepik</B>
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+<PRE>15.10.2012 12:18, Colin Guthrie kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> We could of course tweak the default polkit policy here to not require
+</I>&gt;<i> that, but is that wise in and off itself? e.g. you wouldn't want a
+</I>&gt;<i> student to reconfigure the terminals in a university network without
+</I>&gt;<i> authorisation. It should likely be tied to security levels in some capacity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>Yes, i wouldn't want that. But the question is not about configuring.
+It's about reconnecting. It can perfectly connect at boot w/o asking any
+password. Now connection drops and all it should do is reconnect as it
+did at boot. Why ask for password now? :/
+It should be quite easy to reproduce, just unplug router and plug it
+back, wifi is available but you are prompted for root password to
+connect. I don't want to share my root password so user could reconnect,
+other option seems to be reboot which isn't quite normal solution either :)
+
+--
+Sander
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 09:03:49 Angelo Naselli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Il 14/10/2012 23:17, John Balcaen ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since alpha 2 is out i'm now going to push KDE SC 4.9.2 on cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There's also at least 2 regressions :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - for kopete , the otr support will be not build since it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; support the last version of otr pushed a few days ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - for kalzium, since facile was not rebuild against new ocaml the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equation solver won't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll also push later telepathy-kde 0.5.1 too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it contain new libkipi (for digikam 3.0.0 from gsoc 2012) in
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegraphics?
+</I>
+no new libkipi will be provided with kde 4.10 ( so the 21st november ).
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
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+On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:03:49 +0200
+Angelo Naselli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anaselli at linux.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Il 14/10/2012 23:17, John Balcaen ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Since alpha 2 is out i'm now going to push KDE SC 4.9.2 on cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There's also at least 2 regressions :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - for kopete , the otr support will be not build since it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; support the last version of otr pushed a few days ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - for kalzium, since facile was not rebuild against new ocaml the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equation solver won't work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll also push later telepathy-kde 0.5.1 too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it contain new libkipi (for digikam 3.0.0 from gsoc 2012) in
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegraphics?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The digikam problem found for desktop file conflict, is not upstream,
+</I>&gt;<i> it has just been added by using internal kdegraphics building.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+For reference, the bug report for it is:
+
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7747">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7747</A>
+
+Please also comment there.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+&gt;<i> Name : kremotecontrol Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.9.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 15
+</I>&gt;<i> 13:46:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Accessibility Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 1084589 License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> and GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control
+</I>&gt;<i> system
+</I>&gt;<i> (LIRC).
+</I>&gt;<i> It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>
+
+kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> no new libkipi will be provided with kde 4.10 ( so the 21st november ).
+</I>
+So how can we handle it? we need to decide which one to ship in the
+mean while, or we cannot use last digikam and co.
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+<PRE>2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Name : kwallet Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.9.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 15
+</I>&gt;<i> 14:31:55 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Networking/Remote access Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 284003 License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/">http://www.kde.org/applications/system/kwalletmanager/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : KDE Wallet Management Tool
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE Wallet Manager is for management of the wallets installed on the
+</I>&gt;<i> system. The KDE wallet subsystem provides a convenient and secure way
+</I>&gt;<i> to manage all your passwords.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 301985
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>
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+Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 13 October 2012 19:52, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> This is a first patch, concerning the drakdisk feature
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch does the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> - group the functionality to actually get all the disks in a function
+</I>&gt;<i> - pass a ref to the function as the do_force_reload parameter to interactive
+</I>&gt;<i> - make a Refresh function that returns &quot;force_reload&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - add a button in the gtk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what it still needs for the first stage of this feature:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a button for the curses one
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove the abort message if no disks are found, but add a text in place of
+</I>&gt;<i> the disk tabs to say there are no disks and telling you can refresh after
+</I>&gt;<i> plugging in a disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> attached is a small patch for /soft/drakx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can *anyone* tell me if i'm on the right track, or if i'm doing ugly stuff, or
+</I>&gt;<i> if i'm forgetting important parts?
+</I>
+I'll let Pascal comment on this one
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 11 oktober 2012 19:19:33 schreef Sander Lepik:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 18:32, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 11/10/12 12:29, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 11.10.2012 13:58, Barry Jackson kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19909106</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should revert in Cauldron?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, it's cauldron and the bug will be fixed before we get it reverted.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We just have to wait a day or two. 16.0.1 candidate is already uploaded,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so the bug is probably already fixed..
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> True - however since I use Cauldron 24/7 I have reverted to 15.0.1 and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> added it to skip.list for my own peace of mind ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Barry
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, instead of 1 security hole you now have 14 (most of them critical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :<A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox1">http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox.html#firefox1</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :6)? ;P
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure if it's safer or not :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the thing is: 1 very new one, or 14 old ones... that's the trick...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 for which only very very recently an exploit and 14 widespread exploits
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Point taken - it was fixed very quickly.
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a first patch, concerning the drakdisk feature
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the patch does the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> - group the functionality to actually get all the disks in a function
+</I>&gt;<i> - pass a ref to the function as the do_force_reload parameter to interactive
+</I>&gt;<i> - make a Refresh function that returns &quot;force_reload&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - add a button in the gtk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what it still needs for the first stage of this feature:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a button for the curses one
+</I>&gt;<i> - remove the abort message if no disks are found, but add a text in place of
+</I>&gt;<i> the disk tabs to say there are no disks and telling you can refresh after
+</I>&gt;<i> plugging in a disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> attached is a small patch for /soft/drakx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can *anyone* tell me if i'm on the right track, or if i'm doing ugly stuff, or
+</I>&gt;<i> if i'm forgetting important parts?
+</I>
+Sorry for not looing at it faster but after one month travelling my
+home was burgled 10 days ago which mean I could not yet come back to a
+normal life...
+
+How is it different from the &quot;Reload partition table&quot; action hidden
+behind &quot;More&quot; (which for some reason was per disk even if it reloads
+them all) and only displayed during install?
+There is nothing obviously wrong, most of the work will be to make
+sure every part of the code handles this correctly (mostly
+raid/lvm/...) and interface also recreates tabs correctly etc...
+It has been broken/fixed various times and if this is to be displayed
+more visibly it should be properly tested
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:26:04 Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 13 October 2012 19:52, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a first patch, concerning the drakdisk feature
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the patch does the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - group the functionality to actually get all the disks in a function
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - pass a ref to the function as the do_force_reload parameter to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interactive - make a Refresh function that returns &quot;force_reload&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - add a button in the gtk
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what it still needs for the first stage of this feature:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a button for the curses one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - remove the abort message if no disks are found, but add a text in place
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the disk tabs to say there are no disks and telling you can refresh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after plugging in a disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attached is a small patch for /soft/drakx
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can *anyone* tell me if i'm on the right track, or if i'm doing ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stuff, or if i'm forgetting important parts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll let Pascal comment on this one
+</I>
+i tested it and reported on irc that this doesn't work at all for me ( and
+worth this breaks the UI )
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : kremotecontrol Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 4.9.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 15
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 13:46:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : Accessibility Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 1084589 License: GPLv2 and LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (LIRC).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Fix group
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>
+i am sure you can be constructiv and propose a group instead of whining /
+writing those kind of mails.
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/5 blue_prawn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : ocaml Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 4.00.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 5 18:46:33 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/OCaml Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 3345223 License: QPL with exceptions and LGPLv2 with exceptions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://caml.inria.fr">http://caml.inria.fr</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The OCaml compiler and programming environment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OCaml is a high-level, strongly-typed, functional and object-oriented
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> programming language from the ML family of languages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> blue_prawn &lt;blue_prawn&gt; 4.00.1-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 302936
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update to last version 4.00.1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you have a look @ facile package because due to new ocaml it's
+</I>&gt;<i> going to prevent the build of kalzium ?
+</I>
+I just patched facile to work with the new ocaml. You should be able to
+build kalzium now.
+
+Blue_prawn and I are in the middle of the ocaml-4.0 migration, sorry
+about that.
+
+Thanks for the notice,
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+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>We're of course open to suggestion...
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>Do you have a better group for this ?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 16:53:29 vous avez &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Could you have a look @ facile package because due to new ocaml it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; going to prevent the build of kalzium ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just patched facile to work with the new ocaml. You should be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> build kalzium now.
+</I>Thanks for that :)
+I initially simple disable the equation solver functionnality to build it.
+I'll test locally &amp; submit a new version if everything is ok.
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>
+Security
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 18:07:26 Malo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Security
+</I>Why not.
+For memory it's just to store keys for local/remote access which does not
+really match the description of Security group.
+I simply initially copy the gnome-keyring group for coherence between the two
+dm.
+Olav, what do you think about switching them to this group ?
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>&gt;<i> We're of course open to suggestion...
+</I>
+I've put some IR things in Communications/Serial
+
+It's not perfect, but might be ok while we find out all the troubled
+categories.
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+Cheers,
+--
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+&gt;<i> On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Security
+</I>I expected 'security' group to contain actual security-tools, such as
+vuln scanners, not desktop components as kwallet or gnome-keyring.
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+--
+BOFH excuse #193:
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+Did you pay the new Support Fee?
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+<PRE>15.10.2012 21:46, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Le 15/10/2012 19:07, Malo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Security
+</I>&gt;<i> I expected 'security' group to contain actual security-tools, such as vuln scanners, not
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop components as kwallet or gnome-keyring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Why not just 'Graphical desktop/KDE'? It's pretty much integrated into KDE and requires a
+lot of KDE packages.
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+--
+Sander
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+Due to the delay of Alpha 2 and to let people work enough on Alpha 3,
+the development planning has been modified a bit. Then Alpha 3 is
+planned for 2012 Nov. 12th instead of 6th.
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+Cheers
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+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 02:30:53PM -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 18:07:26 Malo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Security
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not.
+</I>&gt;<i> For memory it's just to store keys for local/remote access which does not
+</I>&gt;<i> really match the description of Security group.
+</I>&gt;<i> I simply initially copy the gnome-keyring group for coherence between the two
+</I>&gt;<i> dm.
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav, what do you think about switching them to this group ?
+</I>
+Seems to make sense. I've submitted a new gnome-keyring.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%20kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20121015201948.GA31775%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:15:12PM +0200, zago wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Olav, what do you think about switching them to this group ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems to make sense. I've submitted a new gnome-keyring.
+</I>
+Note that Graphical Desktop/GNOME might also be ok, though IIRC with the
+new freedesktop.org security thing gnome-keyring is supposed to go away
+in favour of libsecret.
+
+I checked seahorse (the UI to manage the keyring), and it is in
+Graphical Desktop/GNOME&#8230; maybe that is better?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>Op maandag 15 oktober 2012 15:05:28 schreef Pascal Terjan:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a first patch, concerning the drakdisk feature
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:DiskDrakeRedesign</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the patch does the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - group the functionality to actually get all the disks in a function
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - pass a ref to the function as the do_force_reload parameter to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interactive - make a Refresh function that returns &quot;force_reload&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - add a button in the gtk
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what it still needs for the first stage of this feature:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a button for the curses one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - remove the abort message if no disks are found, but add a text in place
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the disk tabs to say there are no disks and telling you can refresh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after plugging in a disk.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attached is a small patch for /soft/drakx
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can *anyone* tell me if i'm on the right track, or if i'm doing ugly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stuff, or if i'm forgetting important parts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for not looing at it faster but after one month travelling my
+</I>&gt;<i> home was burgled 10 days ago which mean I could not yet come back to a
+</I>&gt;<i> normal life...
+</I>
+that is no worries, i hope you'll be better soon-ish.
+
+&gt;<i> How is it different from the &quot;Reload partition table&quot; action hidden
+</I>&gt;<i> behind &quot;More&quot; (which for some reason was per disk even if it reloads
+</I>&gt;<i> them all) and only displayed during install?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is nothing obviously wrong, most of the work will be to make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure every part of the code handles this correctly (mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> raid/lvm/...) and interface also recreates tabs correctly etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> It has been broken/fixed various times and if this is to be displayed
+</I>&gt;<i> more visibly it should be properly tested
+</I>
+i realized this afterwards, and i think you're right, perhaps i should handle
+it a bit better:
+
+-&gt; actively look for new devices (or size-changed devices) and handle those;
+and thus not change all the changes you've made already.
+
+The point of this is more like stepping stone towards the real things: ie: not
+aborting if there are no disks. and later adding installable network-based
+disks (for diskless systems).
+
+And also, if your one of your hotplugged disks isn't correctly in it, i'd like
+to refresh it, so the 4th one is detected and so i can add it to the raid, for
+instance. instead of exiting the installer, etc...
+
+in any case, it seems like someone found that it showed gray for a all disks,
+so it might not be that good after all...
+
+but it would be nice for me though if i could pick your brain about the code
+and the way of programming though... it's not always easy to get around this
+kind of code.
+
+Can i ask you in the future to look at this from time to time?
+
+also, i fail to correctly grasp the purpose of the $do_force_reload variable.
+in some forms, it's used, and some it doesn't. but the function that is
+supposed to be parsed into that, it not clear what it should return. (to me)
+
+Thanks for the feedback already.
+
+AL13N
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+ <I>Mon Oct 15 23:50:41 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2012 22:47, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> --- rpm/urpmi/trunk/NEWS 2012-10-15 17:51:47 UTC (rev 6239)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/urpmi/trunk/NEWS 2012-10-15 20:47:50 UTC (rev 6240)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not use aria2 deprecated option (Sam Bailey, mga#7781)
+</I>&gt;<i> -- do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092
+</I>&gt;<i> +- do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+</I>&gt;<i> +- aria2 optimisations from mdv svn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Version 7.9 - 11 October 2012, by Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpm/download.pm
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpm/download.pm 2012-10-15 17:51:47 UTC (rev 6239)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ rpm/urpmi/trunk/urpm/download.pm 2012-10-15 20:47:50 UTC (rev 6240)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -93,13 +93,6 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> $urpm-&gt;{log}(N(&quot;%s is not available, falling back on %s&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> $requested_downloader, $preferred));
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i> - # in some cases, we may want not to use metalink (aria2) since it can
+</I>&gt;<i> - # cause issues, see #53434 for example
+</I>&gt;<i> - if ($metalink_disabled &amp;&amp; member($preferred, @metalink_downloaders)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> - $urpm-&gt;{log}(&quot;not using $preferred since metalink has been disabled&quot;);
+</I>&gt;<i> - my @no_metalink = urpm::util::difference2(\@available,
+</I>&gt;<i> \@metalink_downloaders);
+</I>&gt;<i> - $preferred = $no_metalink[0];
+</I>&gt;<i> - }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if ($$use_metalink &amp;&amp; !member($preferred, @metalink_downloaders)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> $warned{not_using_metalink}++ or
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -699,19 +692,24 @@
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my $aria2c_command = join(&quot; &quot;, map { &quot;'$_'&quot; }
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/aria2c&quot;, $options-&gt;{debug} ? ('--log',
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;$options-&gt;{dir}/.aria2.log&quot;) : @{[]},
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;--auto-file-renaming=false&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--auto-file-renaming=false',
+</I>&gt;<i> '--ftp-pasv',
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;--follow-metalink=mem&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--summary-interval=0',
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--follow-metalink=mem',
+</I>&gt;<i> $medium-&gt;{mirrorlist} ? (
+</I>&gt;<i> - '--metalink-enable-unique-protocol=false', # so that it can try both ftp
+</I>&gt;<i> and http access on the same server. aria2 will only do this on first calls
+</I>&gt;<i> - '--max-tries=1', # nb: not using $options-&gt;{retry}
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--metalink-enable-unique-protocol=true', # do not try to connect to the
+</I>&gt;<i> same server using the same protocol
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--metalink-preferred-protocol=http', # try http as first protocol as
+</I>&gt;<i> they're stateless and
+</I>&gt;<i> + # will put less strain on ie. the
+</I>&gt;<i> ftp servers which connections
+</I>&gt;<i> + # are statefull for, causing
+</I>&gt;<i> unhappy mirror admins complaining
+</I>&gt;<i> + # about increase of connections,
+</I>&gt;<i> increasing resource usage.
+</I>&gt;<i> + '--max-tries=5', # nb: not using $options-&gt;{retry}
+</I>&gt;<i> '--lowest-speed-limit=20K', &quot;--timeout&quot;, 3,
+</I>&gt;<i> '--split=3', # maximum number of servers to use for one download
+</I>&gt;<i> '--uri-selector=adaptive', &quot;--server-stat-if=$stat_file&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;--server-stat-of=$stat_file&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> - $options-&gt;{is_versioned} ? @{[]} : '--max-file-not-found=3', #
+</I>&gt;<i> number of not found errors on different servers before aborting file
+</I>&gt;<i> download
+</I>&gt;<i> + $options-&gt;{is_versioned} ? @{[]} : '--max-file-not-found=9', #
+</I>&gt;<i> number of not found errors on different servers before aborting file
+</I>&gt;<i> download
+</I>
+You should have keep their changelog isntead of &quot;optimizations&quot;, like:
+&quot;- reenable aria2 + metalink for downloading metadata by default to
+make it more reliable
+- try tune aria2 download parameters for faster and more reliable options
+- suppress aria2's printing of summaries to avoid it confusing urpmi
+parsing the output&quot;
+
+Please edit NEWS (as well as SVN log)
+Also it would have been better to commit them one at a time.
+Have you tested them?
+
+&gt;<i> '--connect-timeout=6', # $CONNECT_TIMEOUT,
+</I>&gt;<i> ) : @{[]},
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;-Z&quot;, &quot;-j1&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> + '-Z', '-j1',
+</I>
+That bit was unneeded. But that's OK.
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ As there are new groups policy, I'd propose either Graphical desktop/KDE,
+as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it
+is &quot;a tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE
+wallet subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also
+to access and manage the passwords of every application that integrates
+with the KDE wallet&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn't right one
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+<PRE>2012/10/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Name : kremotecontrol Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Version : 4.9.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 15
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 13:46:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Group : Accessibility Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Size : 1084589 License: GPLv2 and
+</I>&gt;<i> LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; URL :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Summary : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (LIRC).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a configuration
+</I>&gt;<i> module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - Fix group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am sure you can be constructiv and propose a group instead of whining /
+</I>&gt;<i> writing those kind of mails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As kremotecontrol is &quot;a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote Control
+system (LIRC)&quot;, I'd propose rather &quot;Networking&quot;, maybe &quot;Networking/Other&quot;
+or &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot;. but I'm not sure... configuration module can
+also be in &quot;System/Configuration/Networking&quot;. Just &quot;Accessibility&quot; doesn't
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+<PRE>16.10.2012 01:30, Marek Laane skrev:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/10/15 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/10/15 mikala &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Name : kremotecontrol Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Version : 4.9.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Mon Oct 15
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 13:46:37 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> jonund.mageia.org &lt;<A HREF="http://jonund.mageia.org">http://jonund.mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Group : Accessibility Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Size : 1084589 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> and LGPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and GPLD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Packager : mikala &lt;mikala&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; URL :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/">http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kremotecontrol/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Summary : KDE Frontend for the LIRC Suite
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; KRemoteControl is a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote
+</I>&gt;<i> Control
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; system
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (LIRC).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It consist of two parts: a systemtray applet and a
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration module.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - Fix group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am sure you can be constructiv and propose a group instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> whining /
+</I>&gt;<i> writing those kind of mails.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As kremotecontrol is &quot;a KDE frontend for the Linux Infrared Remote
+</I>&gt;<i> Control system (LIRC)&quot;, I'd propose rather &quot;Networking&quot;, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Networking/Other&quot; or &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot;. but I'm not sure...
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration module can also be in &quot;System/Configuration/Networking&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just &quot;Accessibility&quot; doesn't seem right one.
+</I>
+
+Networking ???
+for something that pretty much can control your tv, stereo, mediaplayer,
+lights,...
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 22:15:20 Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 15.10.2012 21:46, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 15/10/2012 19:07, Malo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Security
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I expected 'security' group to contain actual security-tools, such as vuln
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; scanners, not desktop components as kwallet or gnome-keyring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not just 'Graphical desktop/KDE'? It's pretty much integrated into KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> and requires a lot of KDE packages.
+</I>Well there's a *bunch* of stuff inside Graphical desktop/KDE (or in any
+Graphical desktop/* ) so that's why i initially moved some of thoses apps from
+this category.
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+<PRE>Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 22:19:48 Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:15:12PM +0200, zago wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Olav, what do you think about switching them to this group ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Seems to make sense. I've submitted a new gnome-keyring.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that Graphical Desktop/GNOME might also be ok, though IIRC with the
+</I>&gt;<i> new freedesktop.org security thing gnome-keyring is supposed to go away
+</I>&gt;<i> in favour of libsecret.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I checked seahorse (the UI to manage the keyring), and it is in
+</I>&gt;<i> Graphical Desktop/GNOME&#8230; maybe that is better?
+</I>Well we'll end up with a lot of stuff in the Graphical Desktop/yourdm if we put
+everything from a &#171; desktop &#187; in this category reducing visibility when
+browsing them in rpmdrake for example.
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+<PRE>Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>&gt;<i> We're of course open to suggestion...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Its a front end for kde for an infrared interface.
+
+Note that an infrared is line-of-sight, so it is in proximity like a usb
+or parallel port, and not network-oriented like ethernet, in my view.
+
+Assuming that it is graphical, I would suggest that it goes into
+Graphical_desktop/KDE.
+
+Otherwise, it could be communications, but that seems to be more for
+passing information to and/or from independant devices, such as
+smartphones or fax machines.
+
+In any case, it would be useful to have a short description of the
+purpose of each rpm group
+
+my 2 cents :)
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+<PRE>Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 22:15:20 Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 15.10.2012 21:46, Guillaume Rousse kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 15/10/2012 19:07, Malo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 15/10/12 17:34, Balcaen John wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 15:48:46 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Again, is &quot;Networking/Remote access&quot; right group for Kwallet?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a better group for this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Security
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I expected 'security' group to contain actual security-tools, such as vuln
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> scanners, not desktop components as kwallet or gnome-keyring.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not just 'Graphical desktop/KDE'? It's pretty much integrated into KDE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and requires a lot of KDE packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well there's a *bunch* of stuff inside Graphical desktop/KDE (or in any
+</I>&gt;<i> Graphical desktop/* ) so that's why i initially moved some of thoses apps from
+</I>&gt;<i> this category.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm beginning to think that we should use tags in addition to the rpm
+groups.
+Then we could use Graphical_desktop/KDE for all KDE related packages,
+with a &quot;security&quot; tag, and users could easily find the particular package.
+Similarly for packages oriented to other desktops, particularly gnome.
+A similar desktop-agnostic package would only appear in the security group.
+This could even be used to reduce the nesting of groups, as in
+system/configuration/*
+
+Alternately, we could add subgroups to Graphical_desktop/KDE and other
+major desktops.
+
+WDYT ?
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>I have a guest computer, that also operates as a file server.
+Up until recent weeks, it ran Mandriva 2010.2, and various mdv versions before that.
+It was configured to disallow any user except root from reboting or shutting it down. If any user managed to figure out how to shut it down, it would prompt for the root password.
+
+In Mageia 2 this does not work, and it creates a security issiue for me, as it is critical that this computer is always running.
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+I have done the same in Mageia that I did in Mandriva:
+systemsettings --&gt; Login-screen --&gt; Shutdown --&gt; Allow shutdown
+Select &quot;Only Root&quot; in Loal, and &quot;Nobody&quot; for remote, and press Apply. When i launch systemsettings again to check, the changes are still there.
+I restart X, to have the settigns take effect. It does not change anything. Users can still reboot or shutdown the system.
+When the computer is rebooted, the settings are reset to default, which is &quot;Everybody&quot;
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+Has anyone else seen this?
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+--
+Johnny A. Solbu
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+<PRE>This used to allow installation of packages with no signature without
+prompting. Recently, there have been a bunch of packages in cauldron
+with no signature, but I'm finding that urpmi --auto-update --no-md5sum
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+<PRE>16.10.2012 14:28, Frank Griffin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> This used to allow installation of packages with no signature without
+</I>&gt;<i> prompting. Recently, there have been a bunch of packages in cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> with no signature, but I'm finding that urpmi --auto-update
+</I>&gt;<i> --no-md5sum is prompting me anyway for each such package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I incorrect in my assumption of how this should work ? If not,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll enter a bug report.
+</I>Isn't &quot;--no-verify-rpm&quot; the right thing to use here?
+
+--
+Sander
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum">ftg at roadrunner.com
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+ <I>Tue Oct 16 14:18:53 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 10/16/2012 08:09 AM, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 16.10.2012 14:28, Frank Griffin kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This used to allow installation of packages with no signature without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> prompting. Recently, there have been a bunch of packages in cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with no signature, but I'm finding that urpmi --auto-update
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --no-md5sum is prompting me anyway for each such package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am I incorrect in my assumption of how this should work ? If not,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll enter a bug report.
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't &quot;--no-verify-rpm&quot; the right thing to use here?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+Oops, you're correct. Serves me right for referring to old code samples
+instead of the man page.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] libtool problem: No relink_command for g++ compiled lib.">mageia at colin.guthr.ie
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I have a problem when building PulseAudio with webrtc support.
+
+The problem should be visible if you simply install
+lib64webrtc-audio-processing-devel and rebuild pulseaudio.
+
+Having traced the problem a bit, it fails due to not finding a library.
+(libwebrtc-utils.so) which is built in-tree.
+
+While the source builds fine, the relinking stage fails due to a
+relink_command= variable not being present in the src/libwebrtc-utils.la
+file that is generated by libtool.
+
+In contrast all the other src/*.la files *do* have relink_command=
+specified in their .la file. The primary difference being that all other
+.la files are generated by gcc rather g++.
+
+I suspect it's just missing some variable or some flags not being
+included properly in the upstream Makefile.am or something of that ilk,
+but I'm afraid I'm kinda clueless about anything libtool related.
+
+Any help appreciated!!
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+Unless you have specific topic for meeting we will postpone it until
+next week.
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+About mentoring, mentors couls you please update the wiki page.
+Apprentice please ping me if you are still waiting for a mentor.
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+Cheers
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+--
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>16.10.2012 18:42, Anne Nicolas kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless you have specific topic for meeting we will postpone it until next week.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About mentoring, mentors couls you please update the wiki page. Apprentice please ping me
+</I>&gt;<i> if you are still waiting for a mentor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I haven't heard a word about mass rebuild. Alpha3 seems to be the last milestone for it to
+happen or we have to cancel this for mga3.
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+--
+Sander
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+<PRE>it took a while for me to find it, but:
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+1. open up tcp/6566 firewall
+2. in mcc scanner make sure you give access to only a few ips, the &quot;all
+computers&quot; selection does NOT work.
+3. add saned to the lp group if you have a printer+scanner setup
+4. don't forget to restart the xinetd service manually afterwards
+
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+3) i guess someone could add saned to lp group by default
+4) and convert the saned xinetd to systemd too
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+ <I>Wed Oct 17 00:04:09 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+So I think everything these days is using pm-utils are:
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+kdebase4-workspace
+samsung-tools
+upower
+xfce4-power-manager
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+I've already dropped the requirement from upower and I suspect that kde
+these days also uses upower for suspend/resume (can someone please test
+for me? Just remove pm-utils with --nodeps and make sure everything
+still works is a nice easy test :D)
+
+The samsung-tools stuff should be easily updatable to systemd suspend
+stuff (likely Arch will have fixes if we're not first).
+
+Only one I have no idea about is xfce4. I suspect it'll use upower too,
+but not really sure.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
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+<PRE>May I ask a question? Which KDE branch will Mageia 3 contain? 4.10.x or 4.9.x?
+
+2012/10/15 John Balcaen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> Since alpha 2 is out i'm now going to push KDE SC 4.9.2 on cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> There's also at least 2 regressions :
+</I>&gt;<i> - for kopete , the otr support will be not build since it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> support the last version of otr pushed a few days ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> - for kalzium, since facile was not rebuild against new ocaml the
+</I>&gt;<i> equation solver won't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll also push later telepathy-kde 0.5.1 too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>&gt;<i> Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%20gnome-user-docs-3.6.1-2.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C20121017084420.GA23238%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"
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+&gt;<i> ovitters &lt;ovitters&gt; 3.6.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 307474
+</I>&gt;<i> - update group
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 3.6.1
+</I>
+Pretty sure for gnome-user-docs, the 3.6.1-1.mga3 was rejected due to
+the wrong group. However, src rpm seemed to be available anyway. No
+x86_64/i586/noarch though.
+
+The availability of the src rpm impacts by cross checks (I do cross
+checks between the src rpm versions and upstream).
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+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 14:08:50 Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> May I ask a question? Which KDE branch will Mageia 3 contain? 4.10.x or
+</I>&gt;<i> 4.9.x?
+</I>We're going to get the 4.10.x branch &amp; will probably switch directly with the
+beta1.
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 06:57:23 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 14:08:50 Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; May I ask a question? Which KDE branch will Mageia 3 contain? 4.10.x or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4.9.x?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We're going to get the 4.10.x branch &amp; will probably switch directly with
+</I>&gt;<i> the beta1.
+</I>
+yes 4.10 which is out for beta1 the 21st nov.
+
+After yes the questions is &quot;will we push in testing or directly in release&quot; .
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+Mikala what is your though ?
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> I've already dropped the requirement from upower and I suspect that kde
+</I>&gt;<i> these days also uses upower for suspend/resume (can someone please test
+</I>&gt;<i> for me? Just remove pm-utils with --nodeps and make sure everything
+</I>&gt;<i> still works is a nice easy test :D)
+</I>
+So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+command if you want to suspend from the command line?
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+&gt;<i> So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;<i> command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>
+No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+# systemctl suspend
+
+see systemctl --help for various alternatives
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+--
+Regards,
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+It seems that latest wayland is breakking libEGL with:
+/lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_bind'
+/lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_iterate'
+/lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_sync'
+/lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_get_global'
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+Is there anybody willing to fix it?
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+ <B>David Walser</B>
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;<i> # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>
+Thanks. Can this command be run as a regular user?
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 17/10/12 14:02 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks. Can this command be run as a regular user?
+</I>
+Depends on policy kit policy, but it should basically respect the same
+rules as other suspend operations triggered from GUIs.
+
+e.g. if the system is multi-seat and has other sessions active on other
+seats, then it will prompt you to enter the root password, but in a
+typical case where you are the only active, logged in user, then yes, it
+should work fine.
+
+Obviously the overall system policy here is more complex than what I've
+outlined above, but you get the picture.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 16/10/12 03:50,andre999 nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le lundi 15 octobre 2012 14:54:27 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mikala &lt;mikala&gt; 4.9.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 301978
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Update tarball to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Fix group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kremotecontrol in group &quot;Accessibility&quot;? hmm, really? ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We're of course open to suggestion...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Its a front end for kde for an infrared interface.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that an infrared is line-of-sight, so it is in proximity like a usb
+</I>&gt;<i> or parallel port, and not network-oriented like ethernet, in my view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming that it is graphical, I would suggest that it goes into
+</I>&gt;<i> Graphical_desktop/KDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise, it could be communications, but that seems to be more for
+</I>&gt;<i> passing information to and/or from independant devices, such as
+</I>&gt;<i> smartphones or fax machines.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, it would be useful to have a short description of the
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose of each rpm group
+</I>
+
+I started writing some indications here:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A>
+
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>17.10.2012 15:43, Funda Wang skrev:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that latest wayland is breakking libEGL with:
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_bind'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_iterate'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_sync'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_get_global'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anybody willing to fix it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wayland broke api with 0.99...
+
+Final Wayland 1.0 should be out on October 22nd, 2012
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+--
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+<PRE>On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:04:09 +0100
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think everything these days is using pm-utils are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kdebase4-workspace
+</I>&gt;<i> samsung-tools
+</I>&gt;<i> upower
+</I>&gt;<i> xfce4-power-manager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>.. snip ..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only one I have no idea about is xfce4. I suspect it'll use upower
+</I>&gt;<i> too, but not really sure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+After checking Arch and Fedora pkgs I guess it's not needed and
+dropped the req from xfce4-power-manager. We'll see later if someone
+complains about the removal. :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Jani V&#228;limaa at 17/10/12 16:54 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:04:09 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I think everything these days is using pm-utils are:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kdebase4-workspace
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> samsung-tools
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xfce4-power-manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .. snip ..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Only one I have no idea about is xfce4. I suspect it'll use upower
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too, but not really sure.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After checking Arch and Fedora pkgs I guess it's not needed and
+</I>&gt;<i> dropped the req from xfce4-power-manager. We'll see later if someone
+</I>&gt;<i> complains about the removal. :)
+</I>
+Well the main issue is the various &quot;quirks&quot;, but I'm convinced a good
+chunk of those quirks are not needed these days anyway. They seem to be
+a dumping group of things that have been done once to fix an issue with
+given h/w on a given kernel/graphics driver, but other tools and
+infrastructure has since moved on and they've not been
+revisited/retested. I'm reaching out to other upstreams to see what
+their take on things is.
+
+I still have some issues with network mounts but that's the only thing I
+have had a problem with recently (and the same was true with pm-utils
+anyway I think!).
+
+But I'll need to investigate a bit more.
+
+Ideally everyone should do an rpm -e --nodeps pm-utils and just see how
+their installs fair :)
+
+Perhaps for the alpha3 I'll see if we can enforce this and get wider
+testing :D
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 17 oktober 2012 14:09:18 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 17/10/12 14:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks. Can this command be run as a regular user?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends on policy kit policy, but it should basically respect the same
+</I>&gt;<i> rules as other suspend operations triggered from GUIs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. if the system is multi-seat and has other sessions active on other
+</I>&gt;<i> seats, then it will prompt you to enter the root password, but in a
+</I>&gt;<i> typical case where you are the only active, logged in user, then yes, it
+</I>&gt;<i> should work fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously the overall system policy here is more complex than what I've
+</I>&gt;<i> outlined above, but you get the picture.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+it should actually just pop up a screen for the other sessions in which case
+they can &quot;ok&quot; the suspend/reboot, and at the same time allow for root password
+to force it...
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+On 17/10/2012 00:04, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think everything these days is using pm-utils are:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kdebase4-workspace samsung-tools upower xfce4-power-manager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've already dropped the requirement from upower and I suspect that
+</I>&gt;<i> kde these days also uses upower for suspend/resume (can someone
+</I>&gt;<i> please test for me? Just remove pm-utils with --nodeps and make
+</I>&gt;<i> sure everything still works is a nice easy test :D)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't see a mail in which someone gives feedback about this test, so:
+
+On a KDE cauldron partition, I tested the only way I ever let my
+laptop suspend:
+
+Unplug the power cable, lock the screen and leave the laptop for a while.
+Come back later to see the laptop is sleeping (little crescent moon is
+highlighted), and let it resume by pressing the power button very shortly.
+
+This worked very well, both before and after removing pm-utils :)
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+<PRE>&quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> I have a guest computer, that also operates as a file server.
+</I>&gt;<i> Up until recent weeks, it ran Mandriva 2010.2, and various mdv versions before that.
+</I>&gt;<i> It was configured to disallow any user except root from reboting or
+</I>&gt;<i> shutting it down. If any user managed to figure out how to shut it
+</I>&gt;<i> down, it would prompt for the root password.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In Mageia 2 this does not work, and it creates a security issiue for me, as it is critical that this computer is always running.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have done the same in Mageia that I did in Mandriva:
+</I>&gt;<i> systemsettings --&gt; Login-screen --&gt; Shutdown --&gt; Allow shutdown
+</I>&gt;<i> Select &quot;Only Root&quot; in Loal, and &quot;Nobody&quot; for remote, and press Apply. When i launch systemsettings again to check, the changes are still there.
+</I>&gt;<i> I restart X, to have the settigns take effect. It does not change anything. Users can still reboot or shutdown the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> When the computer is rebooted, the settings are reset to default, which is &quot;Everybody&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anyone else seen this?
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+You can probably configure this with msecgui, there's an ALLOW_REBOOT
+setting there.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;<i> # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>
+It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+
+And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+How will they be run now?
+
+--
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+<PRE>Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems that latest wayland is breakking libEGL with:
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_bind'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_iterate'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_sync'
+</I>&gt;<i> /lib64/libEGL.so.1: undefined reference to `wl_display_get_global'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anybody willing to fix it?
+</I>
+Backporting and testing the 3 patches from krh was in my todo list for
+tonight, but you beat me at it.
+
+I've just uploaded mesa in tainted/release, try to remember this one
+next time :)
+
+Thanks
+
+--
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 18 October 2012 00:33, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> You can probably configure this with msecgui, there's an ALLOW_REBOOT
+</I>&gt;<i> setting there.
+</I>
+I foundit looking through my mdv systems, lurking in /etc/security/msec/security.conf
+and that stoped the system from rebooooting or halting.
+However it broke the shutdown procedure.
+The graphical login screen stopped, and teh system displayed a message saying something about not finding the reboot command.
+
+It did not prompt me for any passwords, like the previously mdv install did.
+So something has changed since mdv2010.2 and mga2 that broke this setup.
+
+The end resullt is that I can't use this setting. :-\=
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+ <I>Thu Oct 18 00:49:36 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:36:47AM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>
+That will likely be in a newer systemd once they figured out what to
+call it.
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+&gt;<i> And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+</I>&gt;<i> How will they be run now?
+</I>
+That is a question for Colin :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 17/10/12 23:49 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:36:47AM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That will likely be in a newer systemd once they figured out what to
+</I>&gt;<i> call it.
+</I>
+Yeah being discussed now. As this is now in-kernel as of 3.6, systemd
+will support this within a very short time frame.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How will they be run now?
+</I>
+Not 100% sure but as mentioned in another thread I think many of the
+quirks are likely outdated. Certainly graphical quirks that used to be
+present on my hardware have not been needed for many years since KMS
+came along. So this is likely an opportunity to tidy it up and get rid
+of the kruft.
+
+But overall some of the quirks are likely still needed, so I've started
+a discussion upstream with a view to gathering feedback from how other
+distros are planning to handle this.
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 17 October 2012 22:25, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Revision 6305 Author filip Date 2012-10-17 22:25:23 +0200 (Wed, 17 Oct 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Slovenian translation updated
+</I>
+You didn't actually updated anything...
+
+&gt;<i> drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Modified: drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po
+</I>&gt;<i> ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> --- drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 18:13:11 UTC (rev 6304)
+</I>&gt;<i> +++ drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 20:25:23 UTC (rev 6305)
+</I>&gt;<i> @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakwizard\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2008-03-26 15:44+0100\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-05-04 13:25+0200\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-10-17 22:17+0200\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Last-Translator: Filip Komar &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">filip.komar at gmail.com</A>&gt;\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Language-Team: Slovenian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lugos-slo at lugos.si</A>&gt;, Translation list &lt;mageia-&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n at mageia.org</A>&gt;\n&quot;
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+<PRE>Le 18/10/2012 00:36, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>I tested pm-suspend-hybrid on my AAO and it seems to work fine.
+It would be fine to have it implemented for mga3 instead of the standard
+&quot;suspend to ram&quot;
+willing to test it further but a procedure/howto will help.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+</I>&gt;<i> How will they be run now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>JPB
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+<PRE>Hi Thierry. Thanks for notification. It's true. I needed a minute to
+figured out what actually happened. Since we (translators) don't have any
+notification of changes of pot files yet I use an old version of
+script&lt;<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/i18n-tools/check_for_translation_work.sh?view=log">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/i18n-tools/check_for_translation_work.sh?view=log</A>&gt;to
+search for them and it also merges my existing translation with the
+new
+pot file. Since there was only one space removed there was really no need
+to commit. But the script is to dumb to notice that so it fuzzied that
+string anyway and I overlooked why it did that. I do double check my
+commits but I'm not perfect :(. I'm sorry if there was any confusion
+because of that. But there is no real damage, is it?
+
+Have a nice day,
+Filip.
+
+On 18 October 2012 12:48, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On 17 October 2012 22:25, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Revision 6305 Author filip Date 2012-10-17 22:25:23 +0200 (Wed, 17 Oct
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Log Message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Slovenian translation updated
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You didn't actually updated anything...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Modified: drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ===================================================================
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 18:13:11 UTC (rev 6304)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +++ drakwizard/trunk/po/sl.po 2012-10-17 20:25:23 UTC (rev 6305)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Project-Id-Version: drakwizard\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;POT-Creation-Date: 2008-03-26 15:44+0100\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-05-04 13:25+0200\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +&quot;PO-Revision-Date: 2012-10-17 22:17+0200\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Last-Translator: Filip Komar &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">filip.komar at gmail.com</A>&gt;\n&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Language-Team: Slovenian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">lugos-slo at lugos.si</A>&gt;, Translation list
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mageia-&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n at mageia.org</A>&gt;\n&quot;
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and jpbfree at 18/10/12 11:58 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 18/10/2012 00:36, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:10:35AM +0000, David Walser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So if you get rid of pm-utils, what's the new alternative to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pm-suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> command if you want to suspend from the command line?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No clue about pm-utils, but guess you're after:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # systemctl suspend
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> see systemctl --help for various alternatives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I tested pm-suspend-hybrid on my AAO and it seems to work fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be fine to have it implemented for mga3 instead of the standard
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;suspend to ram&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> willing to test it further but a procedure/howto will help.
+</I>
+See the upstream discussion on this on the systemd list. Not everyone
+will like to use this by default as it does take a lot longer to enter
+the suspend state which might not be favoured by everyone, especially
+those with rotating media and a lot of working RAM.
+
+So options are essential here, but I agree, that this should be a
+configurable option for those that want it.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
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+<PRE>Le 18/10/2012 00:41, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 18 October 2012 00:33, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> So something has changed since mdv2010.2 and mga2 that broke this setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, systemd is here ;-)
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+<PRE>On Thursday 18 October 2012 18:49, Jose Jorge wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; something has changed since mdv2010.2 and mga2 that broke this setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, systemd is here ;-)
+</I>
+And nobody told msec? ;-)=
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+ <B>Jeff Robins</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM, AL13N &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> it took a while for me to find it, but:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. open up tcp/6566 firewall
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. in mcc scanner make sure you give access to only a few ips, the &quot;all
+</I>&gt;<i> computers&quot; selection does NOT work.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. add saned to the lp group if you have a printer+scanner setup
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. don't forget to restart the xinetd service manually afterwards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TODO:
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) i guess someone could add saned to lp group by default
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) and convert the saned xinetd to systemd too
+</I>
+Thank you so much, I will try this when I get home.
+
+--Jeff
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 17/10/12 23:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:36:47AM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That will likely be in a newer systemd once they figured out what to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> call it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah being discussed now. As this is now in-kernel as of 3.6, systemd
+</I>&gt;<i> will support this within a very short time frame.
+</I>
+Is it equivalent?
+Can the kernel hibernate support write a compressed and encrypted image to swap?
+Does it allow showing a splash for suspend progress?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How will they be run now?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not 100% sure but as mentioned in another thread I think many of the
+</I>&gt;<i> quirks are likely outdated. Certainly graphical quirks that used to be
+</I>&gt;<i> present on my hardware have not been needed for many years since KMS
+</I>&gt;<i> came along. So this is likely an opportunity to tidy it up and get rid
+</I>&gt;<i> of the kruft.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But overall some of the quirks are likely still needed, so I've started
+</I>&gt;<i> a discussion upstream with a view to gathering feedback from how other
+</I>&gt;<i> distros are planning to handle this.
+</I>
+That's not only about video quirks.
+This one is required to forbid messing with the suspend image in swap by
+rebooting in another kernel:
+/usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/01bootloader
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+There may be some other useful ones, notifying apps about resume, like:
+/usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/95packagekit
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Name : squashfs-tools Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 4.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Thu Oct 18 16:53:26 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 4.2-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 307990
+</I>&gt;<i> - obsoletes squashfs3-tools which is useless for years
+</I>
+No it's not useless.
+squashfs3-tools is still useful to generate squashfs3 images for other
+systems with older kernels, and this is still used for some embedded
+devices, I use this at work.
+
+Please revert
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtZ-c_uAb%2B4ZtrOgJTEtKNN%3Dggw26_2ebP6wiUxtod5GwA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 18 October 2012 22:21, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> No it's not useless.
+</I>&gt;<i> squashfs3-tools is still useful to generate squashfs3 images for other
+</I>&gt;<i> systems with older kernels, and this is still used for some embedded
+</I>&gt;<i> devices, I use this at work.
+</I>
+Humm....
+Kernel didn't support squashfs3 for years when we were still
+working at mdv...
+No Mageia release ever had support for reading squashfs3 in
+its kernel.
+But you can still generate images for such older systems.
+I won't oppose a revert.
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+<PRE>On 18 October 2012 22:31, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> No it's not useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> squashfs3-tools is still useful to generate squashfs3 images for other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systems with older kernels, and this is still used for some embedded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devices, I use this at work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Humm....
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel didn't support squashfs3 for years when we were still
+</I>&gt;<i> working at mdv...
+</I>&gt;<i> No Mageia release ever had support for reading squashfs3 in
+</I>&gt;<i> its kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> But you can still generate images for such older systems.
+</I>&gt;<i> I won't oppose a revert.
+</I>
+Though I would question developing for a target using squashfs3
+whereas we switched to v4 in 2009 when it was officially included in
+kernel...
+That means targeting 2.6.28 at most...
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+<PRE>Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 18 October 2012 22:31, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No it's not useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> squashfs3-tools is still useful to generate squashfs3 images for other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems with older kernels, and this is still used for some embedded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> devices, I use this at work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Humm....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kernel didn't support squashfs3 for years when we were still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working at mdv...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No Mageia release ever had support for reading squashfs3 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> its kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But you can still generate images for such older systems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I won't oppose a revert.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Though I would question developing for a target using squashfs3
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas we switched to v4 in 2009 when it was officially included in
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel...
+</I>&gt;<i> That means targeting 2.6.28 at most...
+</I>
+Then you feel my daily pain.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>Hi...
+
+As this page reads
+
+<A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit</A>
+
+CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+
+We can not remove the packages because of dependencies:
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+werewolf:~# urpmq --whatrequires consolekit consolekit-x11 lib64consolekit0
+accountsservice
+consolekit
+consolekit-x11
+elsa
+kdm
+lib64consolekit-devel
+lib64consolekit0
+lxdm
+polkit
+slim
+xinit
+
+but in the meantime I have disabled it completely following this:
+<A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=246130">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=246130</A>
+
+and disabling it in systemctl.
+
+Everything seems to work fine, I have noticed no problem.
+Will it be possible to build the above packages without CK support and
+with systemd-enabled options it they are there ?
+So mga3 will be a CK-free edition ;)
+
+TIA
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and JA Magall&#243;n at 19/10/12 00:24 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As this page reads
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit">http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can not remove the packages because of dependencies:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> werewolf:~# urpmq --whatrequires consolekit consolekit-x11 lib64consolekit0
+</I>&gt;<i> accountsservice
+</I>&gt;<i> consolekit
+</I>&gt;<i> consolekit-x11
+</I>&gt;<i> elsa
+</I>&gt;<i> kdm
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64consolekit-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64consolekit0
+</I>&gt;<i> lxdm
+</I>&gt;<i> polkit
+</I>&gt;<i> slim
+</I>&gt;<i> xinit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but in the meantime I have disabled it completely following this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=246130">http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=246130</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and disabling it in systemctl.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything seems to work fine, I have noticed no problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be possible to build the above packages without CK support and
+</I>&gt;<i> with systemd-enabled options it they are there ?
+</I>&gt;<i> So mga3 will be a CK-free edition ;)
+</I>
+It would certainly be nice!
+
+I'm not 100% sure the various DMs can be built without consolekit
+support easily, but I don't think it's super problematic to rip it out
+in a patch. If there is specific consolekit support in the DMs then it
+will likely need to be replaced with logind support. I know there are
+patches for some of them if we don't include it by default.
+
+Col
+
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+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:24:11AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> accountsservice
+</I>[..]
+&gt;<i> polkit
+</I>
+Both support systemd and don't need consolekit in their latest versions.
+Accountsservice can fall back to consolekit (using DBus it seems), but
+we rely on systemd anyway.
+
+I've dropped consolekit support from both in line with Fedora. This also
+eases &quot;bootstrap&quot;.
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+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 18/10/12 23:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 18 October 2012 22:31, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No it's not useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> squashfs3-tools is still useful to generate squashfs3 images for other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems with older kernels, and this is still used for some embedded
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> devices, I use this at work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Humm....
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Kernel didn't support squashfs3 for years when we were still
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working at mdv...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No Mageia release ever had support for reading squashfs3 in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> its kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But you can still generate images for such older systems.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I won't oppose a revert.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Though I would question developing for a target using squashfs3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whereas we switched to v4 in 2009 when it was officially included in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That means targeting 2.6.28 at most...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you feel my daily pain.
+</I>
+:<i>)
+</I>
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:24:11AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> xinit
+</I>
+Dropped it here as well. Might break stuff, Colin gave a +1 on this.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 19/10/12 11:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin gave a +1 on this
+</I>
+Might as well do it now before the final alpha after all!
+
+So some things that might break here are:
+ 1. Any xinit scripts that call ck-xinit-session unconditionally
+assuming it will be there. I think most of the ones I've seen do this
+conditionally, but it's worth checking.
+
+ 2. Apps which might use CK via dbus to do things differently in UIs.
+Normally this is done indirectly via polkit so it shouldn't be too big a
+deal, but keep your eyes open.
+
+ 3. KDM: There are various systemd related patches in Fedora. If I get
+the change I'll go through these and apply them to our packages, but
+someone is welcome to beat me to it!
+<A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/</A>
+
+
+Most startx related issues should be minimal as UI stuff (permission to
+shutdown, reboot etc) uses polkit and that, in turn, uses systemd for a
+while now.
+
+Device permissions should be 100% handled by systemd+logind these days
+so shouldn't really be affected. udev-acl has not been installed for
+ages so that should be fine. Any udev rules with the TAG+=&quot;udev-acl&quot;
+should be updated as this tag is redundant now. It *might* make sense to
+replace such rules with TAG+=&quot;uaccess&quot;, but this should be thought about
+carefully - it's normally a &quot;private&quot; tag to the core package, but there
+are occasions when it's correct to use it in third party rules too.
+
+
+Happy testing :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>tv &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Name : urpmi Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 7.10 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Wed Oct 17 17:33:26 2012
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tv &lt;tv&gt; 7.10-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 307687
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not offer to remove DKMS modules for current kernel (mga#5092)
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Now urpme orphans tries to remove the current kernel, and prebuilt dkms
+packages for the latest kernel.
+
+# LC_ALL=C urpme --auto-orphans
+To satisfy dependencies, the following 2 packages will be removed
+(40MB):
+
+(orphan packages)
+ kernel-desktop-3.5.5-0.rc1.1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ virtualbox-kernel-3.6.2-desktop-1.mga3-4.2.0-4.mga3.x86_64
+Remove 2 packages? (y/N) y
+removing kernel-desktop-3.5.5-0.rc1.1.mga3-1-1.mga3.x86_64
+ virtualbox-kernel-3.6.2-desktop-1.mga3-4.2.0-4.mga3.x86_64
+Removal failed:
+ virtualbox-kernel-3.6.2-desktop-1.mga3 = 4.2.0-4.mga3 is needed
+ by (installed) virtualbox-kernel-desktop-latest-4.2.0-4.mga3.x86_64
+ kernel-desktop-3.5.5-0.rc1.1.mga3 is needed by (installed)
+ virtualbox-kernel-3.5.5-desktop-0.rc1.1.mga3-4.2.0-3.mga3.x86_64
+# uname -r
+3.5.5-desktop-0.rc1.1.mga3
+# ls -1 /boot/vmlinuz-3*
+/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.4-desktop-1.mga3
+/boot/vmlinuz-3.5.5-desktop-0.rc1.1.mga3
+/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.2-desktop-1.mga3
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Steven Tucker</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Control%20Center%20Progress&In-Reply-To=%3C508156F1.8020307%40gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Fri Oct 19 15:34:41 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+just wanted to give everyone an update on how the new control center is
+going.
+Everything still says mcc2 but I think naming it &quot;Admin Panel&quot; is a good
+idea so will get to that shortly.
+
+The basic functionality is now there, the categories and modules are
+dynamically loaded from the config file with the right panel updating to
+what is selected on the left panel.
+
+See <A HREF="http://qldlinux.com/mcc">http://qldlinux.com/mcc</A> for screenshots of the panel in Qt, GTk and
+NCurses.
+
+As you will see all 3 widget sets have a consistent layout and usage,
+but while the functionality is now there, the final look is not, so you
+are just seeing the basics, it still needs to be made attractive with
+appropriate button sizing, backgrounds etc.
+
+It is not a whole lot of code, but it has been a little challenging
+,firstly using Perl (never touched it before) and also navigating this
+fairly new library which could do with some more examples and docs
+(which we plan to have ready for those wanting to make modules).
+
+I look forward to uploading the code, however I am still waiting for svn
+access.
+
+Hopefully it won't be too far away that we will be calling for help to
+port modules.
+
+Cheers
+Tuxta
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/19 Steven Tucker &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tuxta2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://qldlinux.com/mcc">http://qldlinux.com/mcc</A> for screenshots of the panel in Qt, GTk and
+</I>&gt;<i> NCurses.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you will see all 3 widget sets have a consistent layout and usage, but
+</I>&gt;<i> while the functionality is now there, the final look is not, so you are just
+</I>&gt;<i> seeing the basics, it still needs to be made attractive with appropriate
+</I>&gt;<i> button sizing, backgrounds etc.
+</I>I remembered we used to paint main interface with html code, is it
+impossible now?
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>The service fails to start.
+
+cf. <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7751">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7751</A>
+
+Le jeudi 11 octobre 2012 03:58:56 fwang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : postgresql9.2 Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 9.2.1 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 2.mga3 Build Date: Thu Oct 11 03:53:17
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> jonund.mageia.org Group : Databases Source RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 16139986 License: BSD
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.postgresql.org/">http://www.postgresql.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : PostgreSQL client programs and libraries
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL is an advanced Object-Relational database management system
+</I>&gt;<i> (DBMS) that supports almost all SQL constructs (including transactions,
+</I>&gt;<i> subselects and user-defined types and functions). The postgresql package
+</I>&gt;<i> includes the client programs and libraries that you'll need to access a
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL DBMS server. These PostgreSQL client programs are programs that
+</I>&gt;<i> directly manipulate the internal structure of PostgreSQL databases on a
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL server. These client programs can be located on the same machine
+</I>&gt;<i> with the PostgreSQL server, or may be on a remote machine which accesses a
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL server over a network connection. This package contains the
+</I>&gt;<i> client libraries for C and C++, as well as command-line utilities for
+</I>&gt;<i> managing PostgreSQL databases on a PostgreSQL server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to manipulate a PostgreSQL database on a remote PostgreSQL
+</I>&gt;<i> server, you need this package. You also need to install this package if
+</I>&gt;<i> you're installing the postgresql-server package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 9.2.1-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 304559
+</I>&gt;<i> - drop exexstartpre, we do not use relavant script
+</I></PRE>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%20php-5.4.8-3.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C50816BC8.6050901%40colin.guthr.ie%3E"
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+ <I>Fri Oct 19 17:03:36 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and fwang at 19/10/12 05:45 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Name : php Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 5.4.8 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 19 06:33:26 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/PHP Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 14270941 License: PHP License
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.php.net">http://www.php.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : The PHP5 scripting language
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP5 is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. PHP5 offers built-in database
+</I>&gt;<i> integration for several commercial and non-commercial database management
+</I>&gt;<i> systems, so writing a database-enabled script with PHP5 is fairly simple. The
+</I>&gt;<i> most common use of PHP5 coding is probably as a replacement for CGI scripts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3:5.4.8-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 308147
+</I>&gt;<i> - all mysql exts are now using mysqlnd now
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm getting the following on a fully updated Cauldron:
+
+PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+'/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so' -
+/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect in
+Unknown on line 0
+PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+'/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so' -
+/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect
+in Unknown on line 0
+PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+'/usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so' -
+/usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol:
+mysqlnd_allocator in Unknown on line 0
+
+
+Can you fix or revert?
+
+Thanks.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%20php-5.4.8-3.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOfq2QSC81D-601D73gXY7i0kqY%2BD7hAVbHXwqXOw6sc3-HcOw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>The usage of mysqlnd is promoted and set as default in php 5.4.x, so I
+guess reverting is not a good idea. Will investigate next week. Or,
+somebody could check it in the weekend.
+
+2012/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and fwang at 19/10/12 05:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : php Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 5.4.8 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 19 06:33:26 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/PHP Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 14270941 License: PHP License
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.php.net">http://www.php.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The PHP5 scripting language
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PHP5 is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. PHP5 offers built-in database
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> integration for several commercial and non-commercial database management
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> systems, so writing a database-enabled script with PHP5 is fairly simple. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most common use of PHP5 coding is probably as a replacement for CGI scripts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3:5.4.8-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 308147
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - all mysql exts are now using mysqlnd now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm getting the following on a fully updated Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so' -
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect in
+</I>&gt;<i> Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so' -
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect
+</I>&gt;<i> in Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so' -
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;<i> mysqlnd_allocator in Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you fix or revert?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3">fundawang at gmail.com
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+ <I>Fri Oct 19 18:00:27 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I've got some ideas from debian, so plz test 5.4.8-5.mga3
+
+2012/10/19 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> The usage of mysqlnd is promoted and set as default in php 5.4.x, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess reverting is not a good idea. Will investigate next week. Or,
+</I>&gt;<i> somebody could check it in the weekend.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/10/19 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and fwang at 19/10/12 05:45 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : php Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 5.4.8 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 3.mga3 Build Date: Fri Oct 19 06:33:26 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Development/PHP Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Size : 14270941 License: PHP License
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.php.net">http://www.php.net</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Summary : The PHP5 scripting language
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PHP5 is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. PHP5 offers built-in database
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> integration for several commercial and non-commercial database management
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> systems, so writing a database-enabled script with PHP5 is fairly simple. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> most common use of PHP5 coding is probably as a replacement for CGI scripts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3:5.4.8-3.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 308147
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - all mysql exts are now using mysqlnd now
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm getting the following on a fully updated Cauldron:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so' -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysql.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so' -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/mysqli.so: undefined symbol: mysqlnd_connect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '/usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so' -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/php/extensions/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mysqlnd_allocator in Unknown on line 0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can you fix or revert?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>zezinho</B>
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+<PRE>Em 18-10-2012 19:07, Johnny A. Solbu escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 18 October 2012 18:49, Jose Jorge wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> something has changed since mdv2010.2 and mga2 that broke this setup.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, systemd is here ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And nobody told msec? ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I said what has changed, not what needs to be changed
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:24:11AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> slim
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+IMO should be reverted.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Friday 19 October 2012 18:46, zezinho wrote:
+&gt;<i> I said what has changed, not what needs to be changed
+</I>
+And I tried to be funny. ;-)=
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+Anyway, hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 19 22:32:06 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 19.10.2012 01:24, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>Hello!
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+</I>There were some hacks in WindowMaker with Polkit, is this the same
+thing?
+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup</A>
+
+I tried to enable it due to the network manager applet.
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+ <B>zezinho</B>
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+ <I>Sat Oct 20 00:34:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>I cannot succeed submitting a specfile that builds locally :
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++ mkdir build
++ mv CMakeLists.txt build
++ mv CMakeModules po src version build
++ cp COPYING README build
++ %cmake
+/home/iurt/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.qTjZ5m: line 34: fg: no job control
+error: Bad exit status from /home/iurt/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.qTjZ5m (%build)
+
+Any hint? Thanks
+
+
+Full log here :
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+<A HREF="http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121019221513.zezinho.valstar.15864/log/fgrun-1.6.2-1.mga3/build.0.20121019221616.log">http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/uploads/failure/cauldron/core/release/20121019221513.zezinho.valstar.15864/log/fgrun-1.6.2-1.mga3/build.0.20121019221616.log</A>
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 20 octobre 2012 00:34:20 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I cannot succeed submitting a specfile that builds locally :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + mkdir build
+</I>&gt;<i> + mv CMakeLists.txt build
+</I>&gt;<i> + mv CMakeModules po src version build
+</I>&gt;<i> + cp COPYING README build
+</I>&gt;<i> + %cmake
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/iurt/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.qTjZ5m: line 34: fg: no job control
+</I>&gt;<i> error: Bad exit status from /home/iurt/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.qTjZ5m (%build)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any hint? Thanks
+</I>
+yes add cmake as builrequire.
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+ <B>zezinho</B>
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+<PRE>Em 20-10-2012 00:35, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 20 octobre 2012 00:34:20 zezinho a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I cannot succeed submitting a specfile that builds locally :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any hint? Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes add cmake as builrequire.
+</I>
+Mouahahahah.....
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+thank you, I am confused
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+&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some progress has happened on the RPM group move. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> However there is still a lot to do.
+</I>
+Following up on some remarks, questions and bug reports
+(<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7719">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7719</A>). I think we should
+clarify what goes into Documentation (otherwise it becomes cluttered).
+
+I propose to exclude from Documentation any documentation that is
+development-targeted (e.g. javadoc, API documentation), and leave them
+in their Development/* group. The benefit is that it clears
+Documentation from long lists of API definitions that only advanced user
+might need.
+
+I will update <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A> with a
+comment if no one objects.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 10/10/12 01:02,Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following up on some remarks, questions and bug reports
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7719">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7719</A>).
+</I>Being able to search inside an rpm group would be really useful enhancement.
+
+&gt;<i> I think we should
+</I>&gt;<i> clarify what goes into Documentation (otherwise it becomes cluttered).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I propose to exclude from Documentation any documentation that is
+</I>&gt;<i> development-targeted (e.g. javadoc, API documentation), and leave them
+</I>&gt;<i> in their Development/* group. The benefit is that it clears
+</I>&gt;<i> Documentation from long lists of API definitions that only advanced user
+</I>&gt;<i> might need.
+</I>
++1
+It's a plus for advanced users as well, who will generally be more
+interested in development-oriented documentation.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will update <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/RPM_groups_policy</A> with a
+</I>&gt;<i> comment if no one objects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Kamil Rytarowski at 19/10/12 21:32 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 19.10.2012 01:24, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi...
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CK is not maintaned anymore, it is deprecated.
+</I>&gt;<i> There were some hacks in WindowMaker with Polkit, is this the same
+</I>&gt;<i> thing?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/windowmaker/current/SOURCES/windowmaker-0.95.2-mga-Mageia-preconfigured-desktop.patch?view=markup</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried to enable it due to the network manager applet.
+</I>
+No the polkit stuff is somewhat separate here. Polkit would have in the
+past used CK as input to judge the current session state, but it these
+days uses logind. So in this case the high level stuff is abstracted
+from the low level change.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 19/10/12 17:00 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I've got some ideas from debian, so plz test 5.4.8-5.mga3
+</I>
+Works for me! Thanks :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:24:11AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> xinit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dropped it here as well. Might break stuff, Colin gave a +1 on this.
+</I>
+So, with policykit, consolekit and hal having been obsoleted in the past
+month, do we have any other deprecated freedesktop/gnome *kit/*d stuff
+to remove? :)
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 12:40:55 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 06:57:23 Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 17 octobre 2012 14:08:50 Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; May I ask a question? Which KDE branch will Mageia 3 contain? 4.10.x or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 4.9.x?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We're going to get the 4.10.x branch &amp; will probably switch directly with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the beta1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes 4.10 which is out for beta1 the 21st nov.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After yes the questions is &quot;will we push in testing or directly in release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mikala what is your though ?
+</I>Let's have fun :p
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+<PRE>Le mardi 16 octobre 2012 01:22:39 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As there are new groups policy, I'd propose either Graphical desktop/KDE,
+</I>as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it is &quot;a
+tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE wallet
+subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also to access
+and manage the passwords of every application that integrates with the KDE
+wallet&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn't right one
+
+Well the definition of this is going to change since with &#171; libsecret &#187;
+supports we'll be able to &#171; share &#187; secrets between GNOME &amp; KDE for example.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 19 octobre 2012 11:43:28 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> 3. KDM: There are various systemd related patches in Fedora. If I get
+</I>&gt;<i> the change I'll go through these and apply them to our packages, but
+</I>&gt;<i> someone is welcome to beat me to it!
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/</A>
+</I>|<i>...]
+</I>Patches added on kde-workspace.
+It seems to work correctly here so i push a new kde-workspace package.
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 03:34:29PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 01:24:11AM +0200, JA Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; xinit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dropped it here as well. Might break stuff, Colin gave a +1 on this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, with policykit, consolekit and hal having been obsoleted in the past
+</I>&gt;<i> month, do we have any other deprecated freedesktop/gnome *kit/*d stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> to remove? :)
+</I>
+syslog :P
+(for default install)
+
+Seriously, IIRC udisks v1. I try to avoid lower level stuff, so looked
+through the alpha live dvd to figure out more&#8230; Stuff that should
+eventually be removed is gnome-keyring (in favour of the freedesktop
+libsecret). Aside from that gconf, gstreamer 0.10, bonobo+orbit.
+
+Wonder about: usermode (no clue what it does :P). Also noticed GNOME
+live dvd (Mageia 3) having xdm + gdm.. seems a bit of a waste.
+
+ConsoleKit removal seem to have gone well, didn't notice anything going
+wrong within GNOME.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Seriously, IIRC udisks v1. I try to avoid lower level stuff, so looked
+</I>&gt;<i> through the alpha live dvd to figure out more&#8230;
+</I>
+Well, we just migrated away from hal, and some of the migration was
+about merging udisks v1 patches.
+Maybe a bit early to drop it?
+
+&gt;<i> Stuff that should
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually be removed is gnome-keyring (in favour of the freedesktop
+</I>&gt;<i> libsecret).
+</I>
+Yep
+
+&gt;<i> Aside from that gconf, gstreamer 0.10, bonobo+orbit.
+</I>
+Can't we have thirdparty depending on gstreamer 0.10?
+Like Fluendo apps?
+
+&gt;<i> Wonder about: usermode (no clue what it does :P).
+</I>
+We use consolehelper heavily in drakxtools.
+
+&gt;<i> Also noticed GNOME
+</I>&gt;<i> live dvd (Mageia 3) having xdm + gdm.. seems a bit of a waste.
+</I>
+Weird, we should investigate that.
+
+Thomas, I couldn't find the build data of latest live releases, probably
+because /home/draklive/var-data is on a tmpfs.
+After a build is completed, we should backup the content of the matching
+/home/draklive/var-data directories on disk.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>22.10.2012 01:45, Olivier Blin skrev:
+&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also noticed GNOME
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> live dvd (Mageia 3) having xdm + gdm.. seems a bit of a waste.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Weird, we should investigate that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas, I couldn't find the build data of latest live releases, probably
+</I>&gt;<i> because /home/draklive/var-data is on a tmpfs.
+</I>&gt;<i> After a build is completed, we should backup the content of the matching
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/draklive/var-data directories on disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I do store those that I give to QA, so alpha2 is here:
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+/home/draklive/ISOs/mageia3-alpha2/round6/
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+--
+
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> 22.10.2012 01:45, Olivier Blin skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Also noticed GNOME
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> live dvd (Mageia 3) having xdm + gdm.. seems a bit of a waste.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Weird, we should investigate that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas, I couldn't find the build data of latest live releases, probably
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because /home/draklive/var-data is on a tmpfs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After a build is completed, we should backup the content of the matching
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/draklive/var-data directories on disk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do store those that I give to QA, so alpha2 is here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/draklive/ISOs/mageia3-alpha2/round6/
+</I>
+Thanks!
+
+So xdm seems to be pulled from rpmsrate when CAT_X is selected.
+
+Maybe task-x11 should instead require the dm virtual package?
+But then we may also need to add &quot;xdm&quot; to /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list,
+so that it gets preferred over other dms for minimal installs.
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Balcaen John at 21/10/12 22:17 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 19 octobre 2012 11:43:28 Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. KDM: There are various systemd related patches in Fedora. If I get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the change I'll go through these and apply them to our packages, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone is welcome to beat me to it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/">http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-workspace.git/tree/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> |...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Patches added on kde-workspace.
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to work correctly here so i push a new kde-workspace package.
+</I>
+Awesome work :)
+
+My weekend was pretty much tied up with socialising, so didn't get much
+time for hacking!
+
+Col
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 16 octobre 2012 01:22:39 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As there are new groups policy, I'd propose either Graphical desktop/KDE,
+</I>&gt;<i> as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it is &quot;a
+</I>&gt;<i> tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE wallet
+</I>&gt;<i> subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also to access
+</I>&gt;<i> and manage the passwords of every application that integrates with the KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> wallet&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn't right one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well the definition of this is going to change since with &#171; libsecret &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> supports we'll be able to &#171; share &#187; secrets between GNOME &amp; KDE for example.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A thought ...
+Is there anything now stopping us from having a package belong to more
+than one group ?
+Then a package used by several desktops could appear in each.
+
+That used to happen on release installs from iso on mdv (or maybe mdk ?)
+Which I found frustrating before I realised that, since deselecting
+everything in one group would deselect the packages involved from all
+other groups. But it was ok once I realised what was happening.
+(It would just be a good idea to warn users.)
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le lundi 22 octobre 2012 01:10:59 andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Balcaen John a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 16 octobre 2012 01:22:39 Marek Laane a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As there are new groups policy, I'd propose either Graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; desktop/KDE,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as it is quite pure KDE application, or System/Configuration/Other, as it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is &quot;a tool to manage the passwords on your KDE system. By using the KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wallet subsystem it not only allows you to keep your own secrets but also
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to access and manage the passwords of every application that integrates
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with the KDE wallet&quot;. Maybe really &quot;Security&quot; group isn't right one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well the definition of this is going to change since with &#171; libsecret &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; supports we'll be able to &#171; share &#187; secrets between GNOME &amp; KDE for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; example.
+</I>&gt;<i> A thought ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anything now stopping us from having a package belong to more
+</I>&gt;<i> than one group ?
+</I>
+No, a group is unique you can't add more than one group.
+
+&gt;<i> Then a package used by several desktops could appear in each.
+</I>
+this is why we are searching for the best group.
+
+&gt;<i> That used to happen on release installs from iso on mdv (or maybe mdk ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Which I found frustrating before I realised that, since deselecting
+</I>&gt;<i> everything in one group would deselect the packages involved from all
+</I>&gt;<i> other groups. But it was ok once I realised what was happening.
+</I>&gt;<i> (It would just be a good idea to warn users.)
+</I>
+i don't understand
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+<PRE>Le 21/10/2012 07:22, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Name : 389-ds-base Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.2.11.15 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Oct 21 07:20:25 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : System/Servers Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 2994435 License: GPLv2 with exceptions
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://port389.org/">http://port389.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : 389 Directory Server (base)
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> 389 Directory Server is an LDAPv3 compliant server. The base package includes
+</I>&gt;<i> the LDAP server and command line utilities for server administration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.11.15-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 308664
+</I>&gt;<i> - upgrade to version 2.12.11.15
+</I>Why -base ? Is there any other 389-ds package available ?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> That used to happen on release installs from iso on mdv (or maybe mdk ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which I found frustrating before I realised that, since deselecting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything in one group would deselect the packages involved from all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other groups. But it was ok once I realised what was happening.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (It would just be a good idea to warn users.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't understand
+</I>
+He is mentioning the package selection tool found in the installer,
+which sorts packages based on their .desktop categories as far as I can
+tell (which mean that they can appear in several categories).
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+<PRE>Le lundi 22 octobre 2012 10:48:21 Malo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 22/10/12 06:31, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That used to happen on release installs from iso on mdv (or maybe mdk ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Which I found frustrating before I realised that, since deselecting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; everything in one group would deselect the packages involved from all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; other groups. But it was ok once I realised what was happening.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (It would just be a good idea to warn users.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i don't understand
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> He is mentioning the package selection tool found in the installer,
+</I>&gt;<i> which sorts packages based on their .desktop categories as far as I can
+</I>&gt;<i> tell (which mean that they can appear in several categories).
+</I>
+are you sure ? i think that on the installer this is based on &quot;Group&quot; too
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Task Coach is a simple open source todo manager to keep track of personal
+</I>&gt;<i> tasks and todo lists. It grew out of a frustration that most task managers
+</I>&gt;<i> do not provide facilities for composite tasks. Often, tasks and other
+</I>&gt;<i> things todo consist of several activities. Task Coach is designed to deal
+</I>&gt;<i> with composite tasks. In addition, it offers effort tracking, categories,
+</I>&gt;<i> and notes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Task Coach is available for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, and iPhone and
+</I>&gt;<i> iPod Touch.
+</I>
+This is Mageia Linux, we don't care about other OSes, especially in description
+
+&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 1.3.20-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309164
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 1.3.20
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+<PRE>On 22 October 2012 13:39, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> It is also used for forum technical support, as a debugging tool, to quickly
+</I>&gt;<i> ascertain user system configuration and hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i> inxi shows system hardware, CPU, drivers, Xorg, Desktop, kernel, GCC version,
+</I>&gt;<i> processes, RAM usage, and a wide variety of other useful information.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 1.8.20-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309174
+</I>&gt;<i> - update Suggests (xrandr &amp; lsusb)
+</I>
+If it needs those for actually getting data, those should not be
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2">anaselli at linux.it
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+ <I>Mon Oct 22 15:41:30 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Let's have fun :p
+</I>Please patch kdegraphics. So that we could also have fun
+using digikam :p
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+Angelo
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 18/10/12 21:06 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 17/10/12 23:49 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:36:47AM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It does not seem to provide a replacement for pm-suspend-hybrid.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That will likely be in a newer systemd once they figured out what to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> call it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah being discussed now. As this is now in-kernel as of 3.6, systemd
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will support this within a very short time frame.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it equivalent?
+</I>&gt;<i> Can the kernel hibernate support write a compressed and encrypted image to swap?
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it allow showing a splash for suspend progress?
+</I>
+I'm not 100% sure on all the implementation specifics here so I won't
+pretend otherwise.
+
+I'd hope that as a blessed kernel implementation that it would be clever
+and sensible here, but who knows!
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And what about all the hooks that used to be run by pm-utils?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How will they be run now?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not 100% sure but as mentioned in another thread I think many of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quirks are likely outdated. Certainly graphical quirks that used to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> present on my hardware have not been needed for many years since KMS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> came along. So this is likely an opportunity to tidy it up and get rid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the kruft.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But overall some of the quirks are likely still needed, so I've started
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a discussion upstream with a view to gathering feedback from how other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distros are planning to handle this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not only about video quirks.
+</I>
+Yeah, so the video quirks should be mostly useless now.
+
+I spoke to some Arch and Fedora folks and they've all had very few
+issues with the switch in this regard.
+
+See reply to my upstream question here:
+<A HREF="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/6937">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.sysutils.systemd.devel/6937</A>
+
+&gt;<i> This one is required to forbid messing with the suspend image in swap by
+</I>&gt;<i> rebooting in another kernel:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/01bootloader
+</I>
+I'm not sure of this one specifically - will try and clarify.
+
+&gt;<i> There may be some other useful ones, notifying apps about resume, like:
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/95packagekit
+</I>
+
+Yeah those kind of ones should just be migrated I think.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09acoustid-fingerprinter-0.6-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAONrEtb0o8o0Ce67J8z4JgH6XFuLNFMm%2BtSL-4NBRjD%2BhL%2BiOg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On 22 October 2012 15:45, gw666 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Acoustid fingerprinter is a cross-platform GUI application that uses
+</I>&gt;<i> Chromaprint to submit audio fingerprints from your music collection
+</I>&gt;<i> to the Acoustid database. Only tagged audio files are submitted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Files tagged by MusicBrainz applications such as Picard are preferred,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it will submit fingerprints for any files that have tags such as
+</I>&gt;<i> track title, artist name, album name, etc.
+</I>
+please remove empty line at top of %description.
+Thx
+
+&gt;<i> gw666 &lt;gw666&gt; 0.6-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309211
+</I>&gt;<i> - imported package acoustid-fingerprinter
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C50856162.6060005%40kde.org%3E"
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+On 22/10/12 12:32, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> This is Mageia Linux, we don't care about other OSes, especially in
+</I>&gt;<i> description
+</I>
+If one has to work in a Windows environment (or other, for that
+matter) at times, then knowing that an application is cross-platform
+makes it much more attractive.
+
+Anne
+- --
+Need KDE help? Try
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C201210221728.56520.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"
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+<PRE>On Monday 22 October 2012 17:08, Anne Wilson wrote:
+&gt;<i> If one has to work in a Windows environment (or other, for that
+</I>&gt;<i> matter) at times, then knowing that an application is cross-platform
+</I>&gt;<i> makes it much more attractive.
+</I>
+That does not justify having it in the description. This belongs on the software's website, and in the documentation.
+
+--
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3CCAPn0va5-%3DLbtAt%2Bu7KHRUh2nvB_r%3Dx-VMwwq-Yjn1OBryRbeHA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Mon Oct 22 19:07:29 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 22 October 2012 16:28, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 22 October 2012 17:08, Anne Wilson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If one has to work in a Windows environment (or other, for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matter) at times, then knowing that an application is cross-platform
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> makes it much more attractive.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That does not justify having it in the description. This belongs on the software's website, and in the documentation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>&gt;<i> PGP key ID: 0xFA687324
+</I>
+If being cross platform is a defining point of the piece of software
+then I feel that it does belong in the description. Take arora as an
+example, it aimed amongst many things to be a completely cross
+platform browser, therefor having that in the description is
+important. Whereas the KDE stack, which is cross platform, but as a
+secondary goal should not have any such info in its description. There
+are many pieces of software that I wouldn't use if the fact that they
+were cross platform wasn't in the description.
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Let's have fun :p
+</I>&gt;<i> Please patch kdegraphics. So that we could also have fun
+</I>&gt;<i> using digikam :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Angelo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Big +1 from me on this.
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C50854D8E.5060402%40damsweb.net%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3">mageia at damsweb.net
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+ <I>Mon Oct 22 15:43:42 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le 22/10/2012 13:32, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2012 13:18, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is a simple open source todo manager to keep track of personal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tasks and todo lists. It grew out of a frustration that most task managers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do not provide facilities for composite tasks. Often, tasks and other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things todo consist of several activities. Task Coach is designed to deal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with composite tasks. In addition, it offers effort tracking, categories,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and notes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is available for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, and iPhone and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iPod Touch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is Mageia Linux, we don't care about other OSes, especially in description
+</I>
++1
+Removed in SVN for next release.
+--
+Damien Lallement
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin
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+&gt;<i> Name : warsow Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.02 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3.nonfree Build Date: Mon Oct 22 19:57:21 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Games/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>
+Can you put it in the right RPM group, please?
+There is a Games/Shooter now.
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+Thanks,
+--
+Malo
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+<PRE>Le 22/10/2012 13:44, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2012 13:39, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is also used for forum technical support, as a debugging tool, to quickly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ascertain user system configuration and hardware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inxi shows system hardware, CPU, drivers, Xorg, Desktop, kernel, GCC version,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> processes, RAM usage, and a wide variety of other useful information.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dams &lt;dams&gt; 1.8.20-2.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 309174
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - update Suggests (xrandr &amp; lsusb)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it needs those for actually getting data, those should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests but requires instead.
+</I>
+No, it's &quot;just a suggest&quot; as inxi works without lsusb and xrandr.
+Only glxinfo is mandatory
+--
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+<PRE>Le 22/10/2012 20:11, Malo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 22/10/12 19:01, dams wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : warsow Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Version : 1.02 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3.nonfree Build Date: Mon Oct 22
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 19:57:21 2012
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: ecosse.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Group : Games/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you put it in the right RPM group, please?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a Games/Shooter now.
+</I>
+Oops, done. :-)
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+&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>
+yw
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+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2012 13:18, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is a simple open source todo manager to keep track of personal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tasks and todo lists. It grew out of a frustration that most task managers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do not provide facilities for composite tasks. Often, tasks and other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> things todo consist of several activities. Task Coach is designed to deal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with composite tasks. In addition, it offers effort tracking, categories,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and notes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is available for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, and iPhone and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iPod Touch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is Mageia Linux, we don't care about other OSes, especially in description
+</I>
+No, this is Mageia :-)
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22 October 2012 13:18, dams &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is a simple open source todo manager to keep track of personal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tasks and todo lists. It grew out of a frustration that most task managers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> do not provide facilities for composite tasks. Often, tasks and other
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with composite tasks. In addition, it offers effort tracking, categories,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and notes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Task Coach is available for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, and iPhone and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> iPod Touch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is Mageia Linux, we don't care about other OSes, especially in description
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, this is Mageia :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>
+But what about GNU?
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
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+Please welcome him aboard!
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+--
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Welcome !!
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+Cheers,
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le 17/10/2012 00:04, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I've already dropped the requirement from upower and I suspect that kde
+</I>&gt;<i> these days also uses upower for suspend/resume (can someone please test
+</I>&gt;<i> for me? Just remove pm-utils with --nodeps and make sure everything
+</I>&gt;<i> still works is a nice easy test :D)
+</I>
+upower 0.9.18 still requires pm-utils for some features:
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+- up_backend_supports_sleep_state (src/linux/up-backend.c line 360)
+calls /usr/bin/pm-is-supported to determine if suspend or hibernate are
+available on the system. upower uses this to reply to dbus call on
+org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend or .CanHibernate.
+Without pm-utils, org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend or .CanHibernate
+always return false.
+At startup, KDE asks org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend and .CanHibernate
+to know if, respectively, suspend and hibernate are possible on the
+system. So, without pm-utils installed, suspend and hibernate entries
+are not available in KDE's menus and applets (it's needed to reboot
+after the removal of pm-utils).
+
+- up_backend_get_powersave_command (src/linux/up-backend.c line 615)
+calls /usr/sbin/pm-powersave to apply powersave's adjustments.
+
+
+So, we should re-add the Requires pm-utils in upower for now (btw,
+Fedora still has this requirement).
+
+regards,
+Luc
+
+--
+Luc Menut
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 22/10/12 22:15 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>
+\o/
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions, G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Welcome!
+
+Regards,
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+ Shlomi Fish
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luc Menut at 22/10/12 22:57 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Le 17/10/2012 00:04, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've already dropped the requirement from upower and I suspect that kde
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> these days also uses upower for suspend/resume (can someone please test
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for me? Just remove pm-utils with --nodeps and make sure everything
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still works is a nice easy test :D)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> upower 0.9.18 still requires pm-utils for some features:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - up_backend_supports_sleep_state (src/linux/up-backend.c line 360)
+</I>&gt;<i> calls /usr/bin/pm-is-supported to determine if suspend or hibernate are
+</I>&gt;<i> available on the system. upower uses this to reply to dbus call on
+</I>&gt;<i> org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend or .CanHibernate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Without pm-utils, org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend or .CanHibernate
+</I>&gt;<i> always return false.
+</I>&gt;<i> At startup, KDE asks org.freedesktop.UPower.CanSuspend and .CanHibernate
+</I>&gt;<i> to know if, respectively, suspend and hibernate are possible on the
+</I>&gt;<i> system. So, without pm-utils installed, suspend and hibernate entries
+</I>&gt;<i> are not available in KDE's menus and applets (it's needed to reboot
+</I>&gt;<i> after the removal of pm-utils).
+</I>
+Good catch. Seems like it should be asking logind for this info these days.
+
+I think Gnome asks logind directly rather than going via upower, but if
+the interface exists it should work!
+
+&gt;<i> - up_backend_get_powersave_command (src/linux/up-backend.c line 615)
+</I>&gt;<i> calls /usr/sbin/pm-powersave to apply powersave's adjustments.
+</I>
+Cool. I'll take a look and see what is needed here.
+
+&gt;<i> So, we should re-add the Requires pm-utils in upower for now (btw,
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora still has this requirement).
+</I>
+Well I believe their plan is still to remove it, so let's see if we can
+help this process along. If it's not possible before mga3, then yeah,
+adding the require back to upower makes sense (perhaps even with a
+stripped down pm-utils package).
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>
+Welcome, it really amazes me how many people have come over or come
+back to the project. Its great to see.
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+&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>
+That name was one of the first names I noticed in various changelogs, when Olav Dahlum and Per &#216;yvind Karlsen started traning me as a packager in march 2010.
+I noticed it because I tried to convert some of the spec files from iso-8859 to utf8 to satisfy rpmlint, and had some problems with the &#171;&#246;&#187; character. So i ended up doing it manually on some of the files.
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+Welcome aboard.
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+--
+Johnny A. Solbu
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+o/
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+2012/10/22 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 22 October 2012 23:15, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That name was one of the first names I noticed in various changelogs, when Olav Dahlum and Per &#216;yvind Karlsen started traning me as a packager in march 2010.
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed it because I tried to convert some of the spec files from iso-8859 to utf8 to satisfy rpmlint, and had some problems with the &#171;&#246;&#187; character. So i ended up doing it manually on some of the files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome aboard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>&gt;<i> PGP key ID: 0xFA687324
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+<A HREF="http://filipesaraiva.info/">http://filipesaraiva.info/</A>
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+<PRE>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 22 octobre 2012 10:48:21 Malo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 22/10/12 06:31, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That used to happen on release installs from iso on mdv (or maybe mdk ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which I found frustrating before I realised that, since deselecting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everything in one group would deselect the packages involved from all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other groups. But it was ok once I realised what was happening.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (It would just be a good idea to warn users.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i don't understand
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He is mentioning the package selection tool found in the installer,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which sorts packages based on their .desktop categories as far as I can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tell (which mean that they can appear in several categories).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> are you sure ? i think that on the installer this is based on &quot;Group&quot; too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's exactly what I meant :)
+That existed for a number of releases; I used to always use it. (Maybe
+it still does ?)
+But I didn't know how it worked.
+If multiple rpm groups aren't feasable, I think that adding tags would
+be a good idea. And allowing searching within an rpm group (which could
+only have packages in subgroups) and/or tags.
+e.g., if a development-oriented package is wanted, related to sound, one
+could choose the development group with tag sound.
+There wouldn't be any packages directly in development, but in
+development subgroups.
+
+WDYT ?
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+&gt;<i> On 22 October 2012 22:15, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome, it really amazes me how many people have come over or come
+</I>&gt;<i> back to the project. Its great to see.
+</I>
+I know G&#246;tz in person because for the last 5-6 years I've been meeting
+him regularly on German Linuxtag. Last time he talked about the
+frustrating situation at Mandriva and I thought it will not take long
+until we see him here - here he is! :)
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+Welcome!
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+<PRE>On 10/22/2012 05:15 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Salut, Gotz.
+
+It's really good to see you back in the fold.
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5Bchangelog%5D%20%5BRPM%5D%20cauldron%20core/release%0A%09389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3&In-Reply-To=%3C201210222244.44968.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E"
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+ <I>Tue Oct 23 07:44:44 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Monday, October 22, 2012 12:29:37 AM Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 21/10/2012 07:22, spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : 389-ds-base Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Version : 1.2.11.15 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Sun Oct 21
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 07:20:25 2012 Install Date: (not installed) Build Host:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ecosse.mageia.org Group : System/Servers Source
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 2994435 License: GPLv2 with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exceptions Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://port389.org/">http://port389.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : 389 Directory Server (base)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 389 Directory Server is an LDAPv3 compliant server. The base package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; includes the LDAP server and command line utilities for server
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; administration.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spuhler &lt;spuhler&gt; 1.2.11.15-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 308664
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - upgrade to version 2.12.11.15
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why -base ? Is there any other 389-ds package available ?
+</I>it's the upstream name.
+There are more modules
+
+<A HREF="http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Source">http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Source</A>
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+--
+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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+&gt;<i> Name : bison Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 2.6.3 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Tue Oct 23 04:00:15 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : Development/Other Source RPM: (none)
+</I>
+It should probably be either in Development/C or Development/Tools (if
+it's not C-specific).
+Development/Other should be for other programming languages.
+
+&gt;<i> Size : 1747896 License: GPL
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : fwang &lt;fwang&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/bison.html">http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/bison.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A GNU general-purpose parser generator
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Bison is a general purpose parser generator which converts a grammar
+</I>&gt;<i> description for an LALR context-free grammar into a C program to parse
+</I>&gt;<i> that grammar. Bison can be used to develop a wide range of language
+</I>&gt;<i> parsers, from ones used in simple desk calculators to complex programming
+</I>&gt;<i> languages. Bison is upwardly compatible with Yacc, so any correctly
+</I>&gt;<i> written Yacc grammar should work with Bison without any changes. If
+</I>&gt;<i> you know Yacc, you shouldn't have any trouble using Bison (but you do need
+</I>&gt;<i> to be very proficient in C programming to be able to use Bison). Many
+</I>&gt;<i> programs use Bison as part of their build process. Bison is only needed
+</I>&gt;<i> on systems that are used for development.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If your system will be used for C development, you should install Bison
+</I>&gt;<i> since it is used to build many C programs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.6.3-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309399
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 2.6.3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Il 22/10/2012 23:15, Olivier Blin ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions, G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Awesome!
+
+Angelo
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:15:53 +0800, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Welcome!
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+<PRE>Am 22.10.2012 23:15, schrieb Olivier Blin:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Welcome aboard!
+
+--
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca
+
+Mageia contributor
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+<PRE>Le lundi 22 octobre 2012 23:15:53 Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
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+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>
+
+really a good news
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+<PRE>Helo,
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+I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
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+However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+content, whereas I want a text base install only.
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+If I try to remove some of them, I end up having to remove basesystem
+which isn't an option.
+
+So why is libdrakx-kbd-mouse mandatory e.g. in basesystem ?
+Another question is I could urpme lib64xrandr2 (and erase as a
+consequence 26 packages, none of them being in my list).
+Why did they came on my install first ??
+
+Is there a way to have the smallest working text base install
+possible ?
+
+Here is my package list:
+ 'default_packages' =&gt; [
+ 'acpi',
+ 'acpid',
+ 'basesystem',
+ 'dhcp-client',
+ 'grub',
+ 'kernel-server-latest',
+ 'locales-fr',
+ 'nss',
+ 'ntpd',
+ 'numlock',
+ 'openssh-server',
+ 'openssh-client',
+ 'postfix',
+ 'rsyslog',
+ 'squid',
+ 'squidguard',
+ 'pm-utils',
+ 'shorewall',
+ 'sudo',
+ 'tmpwatch',
+ 'vim-enhanced',
+ 'wget',
+ ],
+
+I'm working at the moment with Mageia 2 but could try with cauldron if
+needed.
+
+Thanks in advance for your advises,
+Bruno.
+--
+Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA <A HREF="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</A>
+EMEA Open Source HPISC Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Helo,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;<i> using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;<i> content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I try to remove some of them, I end up having to remove basesystem
+</I>&gt;<i> which isn't an option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So why is libdrakx-kbd-mouse mandatory e.g. in basesystem ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Another question is I could urpme lib64xrandr2 (and erase as a
+</I>&gt;<i> consequence 26 packages, none of them being in my list).
+</I>&gt;<i> Why did they came on my install first ??
+</I>
+Suggests?
+There is an option to not use them
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+<PRE>Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Helo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I try to remove some of them, I end up having to remove basesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which isn't an option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So why is libdrakx-kbd-mouse mandatory e.g. in basesystem ?
+</I>
+libdrakx-kbd-mouse is required by drakxtools-backend, which is required
+for bootloader-utils, pulled by kernel (required to build initrd).
+But this one is not too bad.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Another question is I could urpme lib64xrandr2 (and erase as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consequence 26 packages, none of them being in my list).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why did they came on my install first ??
+</I>
+Which packages did this uninstall?
+
+&gt;<i> Suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an option to not use them
+</I>
+That's more complicated than that.
+
+A big issue to me is the following dep chain:
+dracut -&gt; plymouth -&gt; desktop-common-data -&gt; xdg-utils -&gt; xprop -&gt; libx11
+
+You can test some of the issues by just doing this:
+mkdir chroot-minimal-cauldron
+urpmi --no-suggests --root ./chroot-minimal-cauldron basesystem urpmi
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Le 23/10/2012 15:23, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Helo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If I try to remove some of them, I end up having to remove basesystem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which isn't an option.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So why is libdrakx-kbd-mouse mandatory e.g. in basesystem ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another question is I could urpme lib64xrandr2 (and erase as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consequence 26 packages, none of them being in my list).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why did they came on my install first ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an option to not use them
+</I>
+For auto_inst.cfg.pl:
+'no_suggests' =&gt; 1,
+--
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olivier Blin at 23/10/12 14:37 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> A big issue to me is the following dep chain:
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut -&gt; plymouth -&gt; desktop-common-data -&gt; xdg-utils -&gt; xprop -&gt; libx11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can test some of the issues by just doing this:
+</I>&gt;<i> mkdir chroot-minimal-cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi --no-suggests --root ./chroot-minimal-cauldron basesystem urpmi
+</I>
+Yeah, dracut almost certainly doesn't really need plymouth. I didn't
+have time to debug it pre-mga2, but thought it had been removed from
+dracut in cauldron - tho' on inspection, this is not the case.
+
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+I'll nuke it on the next build of dracut (I'll be submitting a new
+version soonish - just need to polish a couple patches).
+
+Col
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+--
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+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+The first thing I do on every Mandriva/Mageia installation is to remove many of the aliases defined in &#171;/etc/profile.d/60alias.sh&#187;. I always remove every instance of &#171;rm/cp/mv -i&#187;, every instance of &#171;cd&#187; aliases, and some of the &#171;ls&#187; aliases.
+I do this plainly because these aliases Really Do Annoy me! I don't care for other users on my system. If they really want these aliases, they can create them them selves.
+
+Last night I did an rsync of my local mirror and updated one of my mageia systems, only to find that a bash update have reinstalled the Default 60alias.sh.
+
+Is it possible to configure the system so it under no circumstances automatically overwrite files I've reconfigured?
+And, why isn't the files in &#171;/etc/profile.d/&#187; marked as &#171;%config(noreplace)&#187; ?
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+<PRE>2012/10/23 Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Helo,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;<i> using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;<i> content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>
+I had the same experience with Mageia 1 - the lowest I could get was
+somewhere in the high 500. I spent some time tinkering with that but
+whatever I tried, whichever package I wanted to remove, I always ended
+up with the removal of part of the base system. In the end I gave up
+(possibly due to lack of knowledge) :(
+
+I just checked Olivier's suggestion, ending up with some 270 packages...
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le 22/10/2012 23:15, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>
+Yeah! Very good new!
+Welcome G&#246;tz! \o/
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+<PRE>Damien Lallement said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:28:14PM +0200:
+
+&gt;<i> For auto_inst.cfg.pl:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'no_suggests' =&gt; 1,
+</I>
+Thanks will try that one.
+
+However, I find it very sad that the auto_inst tool is not much more
+documented in an accurate way.
+I blogged already coupld of years ago on that
+<A HREF="http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/auto_inst-the-best-kept-mandrivas-secret/">http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/auto_inst-the-best-kept-mandrivas-secret/</A>
+and I don't think the situation has improved with Mageia, for that
+particular point.
+
+Example, no auto_inst wiki page for Mageia.
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Utilisateur:Roudoud0u">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Utilisateur:Roudoud0u</A> doesn't mention
+no_suggests nor does the older <A HREF="http://members.shaw.ca/mandrake/">http://members.shaw.ca/mandrake/</A>
+
+I can copy paste some of the previous content, but as I'm not developing
+that, I don't know what is accurate or not for Mageia 2 e.g.
+
+Would be great if anyone more legitimate to work on this would do it.
+
+Bruno.
+--
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+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+Wolfgang Bornath said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:54:38PM +0200:
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/23 Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Helo,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had the same experience with Mageia 1 - the lowest I could get was
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere in the high 500. I spent some time tinkering with that but
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever I tried, whichever package I wanted to remove, I always ended
+</I>&gt;<i> up with the removal of part of the base system. In the end I gave up
+</I>&gt;<i> (possibly due to lack of knowledge) :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked Olivier's suggestion, ending up with some 270 packages...
+</I>
+Well I *know* i can do better:
+
+sudo chroot /users/rpmbootstrap/mageia/2/x86_64 /bin/bash
+bash-4.2# rpm -aq | wc -l
+172
+
+That chroot is made by a tool I'm developing to create build
+environments for multiple Linux distributions (supports Fedora, CentOS,
+Mageia, Mandriva, OpenSuSE, debian, Ubuntu). Cf: rpmbootstrap in Mageia
+(SVN at <A HREF="http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/rpmbootstrap">http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/rpmbootstrap</A> tar
+at <A HREF="ftp://ftp.project-builder.org/src/rpmbootstrap-0.12.1.tar.gz">ftp://ftp.project-builder.org/src/rpmbootstrap-0.12.1.tar.gz</A>).
+
+The base approach is to cpio first a list of packages (the minimal one
+which allows urpmi to work) and then reinstall them running urpmi.
+List of packages is at:
+<A HREF="http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/pb-modules/etc/pb.conf">http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/pb-modules/etc/pb.conf</A>
+line 389/390.
+
+So I was hoping to get near that number after all. Of course a chroot
+doesn't require a boot loader, so all the packages brought due to the
+install of grub are creating the extra blurb.
+
+
+So I already have one mean to make it as small as possible. Now I'm
+working on another case, where I just use auto_inst. So I'd like to be
+able to use all the params available that could make me as near as
+possible of 170 + grub and its deps (the real ones).
+
+Will answer to some other mail in //
+Bruno.
+--
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+EMEA Open Source HPISC Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
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+<PRE>Olivier Blin said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:37:21PM +0200:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Another question is I could urpme lib64xrandr2 (and erase as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; consequence 26 packages, none of them being in my list).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Why did they came on my install first ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which packages did this uninstall?
+</I>
+Sorry configured in french, but should work for you Olivier ;-):
+
+ GConf2-3.2.5-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de polkit-agent,
+ en raison du manque de libgconf-2.so.4()(64bit),
+ car lib64GConf2_4 == 3.2.5 est non satisfait)
+ canberra-gtk-0.28-10.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libcanberra-gtk3.so.0()(64bit))
+ gcr-3.4.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgcr-3.so.1()(64bit))
+ gnome-keyring-3.4.1-1.1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit))
+ gtk+2.0-2.24.10-4.mga2.x86_64
+ (car lib64gtk+2.0_0 == 2.24.10 est non satisfait,
+ en raison du manque de xdg-user-dirs-gtk)
+ gtk+3.0-3.4.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ car lib64gtk+3_0 == 3.4.1 est non satisfait)
+ lib64GConf2_4-3.2.5-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (car GConf2 &gt;= 3.2.5 est non satisfait)
+ lib64canberra-gtk3_0-0.28-10.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ car canberra-gtk &gt;= 0.28-10.mga2 est non satisfait)
+ lib64gcr3_1-3.4.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ car gcr == 3.4.1-1.mga2 est non satisfait)
+ lib64gtk+-x11-2.0_0-2.24.10-4.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libXrandr.so.2()(64bit),
+ car lib64gtk+2.0_0 == 2.24.10 est non satisfait,
+ car gtk+2.0 &gt;= 2.24.10-4.mga2 est non satisfait)
+ lib64gtk+2.0_0-2.24.10-4.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit))
+ lib64gtk+3_0-3.4.1-2.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libXrandr.so.2()(64bit),
+ car gtk+3.0 == 3.4.1-2.mga2 est non satisfait,
+ car gtk+3.0 == 3.4.1-2.mga2 est non satisfait)
+ lib64ia_ora-gnome-1.0.25-1.mga1.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit))
+ lib64notify4-0.7.5-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de virtual-notification-daemon)
+ lib64oxygen-gtk-1.2.3-2.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit))
+ lib64oxygen-gtk3-1.0.3-1.1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit))
+ lib64xrandr2-1.3.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+ notification-daemon-0.7.4-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libcanberra-gtk3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de GConf2[*])
+ notification-daemon-engine-nodoka-0.1.0-3.mga1.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de notification-daemon)
+ oxygen-gtk-1.2.3-2.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de oxygen-gtk2-engine)
+ oxygen-gtk3-1.0.3-1.1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ car oxygen-gtk3-engine == 1:1.0.3 est non satisfait)
+ pinentry-gtk2-0.8.1-3.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit))
+ polkit-gnome-0.105-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit))
+ s2u-0.9.2-2.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libnotify.so.4()(64bit))
+ seahorse-3.4.1-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgdk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgtk-3.so.0()(64bit),
+ en raison du manque de libgcr-3.so.1()(64bit))
+ xdg-user-dirs-gtk-0.8-6.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0()(64bit))
+Supprimer 26 paquetages&#160;? (o/N)
+
+Probably a suggests.
+
+&gt;<i> A big issue to me is the following dep chain:
+</I>&gt;<i> dracut -&gt; plymouth -&gt; desktop-common-data -&gt; xdg-utils -&gt; xprop -&gt; libx11
+</I>
+That's odd :-( Are all these links requires or suggests ?
+Maybe a reason to keep a working mkinitrd old fashioned, but with a
+correct dependancy behaviour. I can't imagine why you would erally need
+a X11 based program to rebuild the initrd part of the system.
+
+As people seem interested by this topic (feeling less alone ;-) I'll
+change my file to not get suggests as indicated in another mail, and
+give you the new result.
+
+Bruno.
+--
+Open Source &amp; Linux Profession Lead EMEA <A HREF="http://opensource.hp.com">http://opensource.hp.com</A>
+EMEA Open Source HPISC Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
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+ <B>Bruno Cornec</B>
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+&gt;<i> I'll nuke it on the next build of dracut (I'll be submitting a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version soonish - just need to polish a couple patches).
+</I>
+Great ! If you want I can easily test with a cauldron deployment, in
+order to confirm whether this is improving stuff or not.
+
+Thanks all for your valuable feedbacks !
+
+Bruno.
+--
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+EMEA Open Source HPISC Chief Technologist <A HREF="http://hpintelco.net">http://hpintelco.net</A>
+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+
+On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:55:49 +0100
+&quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first thing I do on every Mandriva/Mageia installation is to remove many
+</I>&gt;<i> of the aliases defined in &#171;/etc/profile.d/60alias.sh&#187;. I always remove every
+</I>&gt;<i> instance of &#171;rm/cp/mv -i&#187;, every instance of &#171;cd&#187; aliases, and some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171;ls&#187; aliases. I do this plainly because these aliases Really Do Annoy me! I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't care for other users on my system. If they really want these aliases,
+</I>&gt;<i> they can create them them selves.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Last night I did an rsync of my local mirror and updated one of my mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> systems, only to find that a bash update have reinstalled the Default
+</I>&gt;<i> 60alias.sh.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to configure the system so it under no circumstances
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically overwrite files I've reconfigured? And, why isn't the files in
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171;/etc/profile.d/&#187; marked as &#171;%config(noreplace)&#187; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you're looking for a more permanent solution than one that will involve
+changing the system-installed files, then you can either put various unalias
+commands in ~/.bashrc or alternatively create a 99my_customizations.sh file
+with them.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+Best Introductory Programming Language - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/intro-lang">http://shlom.in/intro-lang</A>
+
+*shlomif:* hack, hack, hack ; save ; make ; make test; commit. And start over.
+
+*mrjink:* hack, hack, hack; save; make; swear; fix typos; save; make; make
+test; swear some more; hack some more; save; make; make test; cheer; commit.
+
+*meep:* hack, make, test, segfault, oh noes, revert to previous revision
+
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition to
+cauldron, and I'd like to get a mentor to review them. The main problem is
+that I'm in Asia so it's going to be difficult for me to attend the IRC
+meeting at 3 a.m. :-( :-(
+
+So I'm looking to see how I can get a mentor. If there is some other time
+in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone can send
+me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.
+
+Also the things that I've had ready for submission are
+
+various games
+
+simutrans
+leocad
+vassal
+
+Some python packages
+
+pi2rpm
+pyopencl
+pyopengl
+pip
+
+and lots of others
+
+Some scientific packages
+
+eigen
+quantlib - although this will need some work
+
+X11
+
+glamor
+open source ati for southern islands
+
+Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire
+astrophysical source code library built for mandriva. In particular, once
+I get started, I'd like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution) into
+the distribution.
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+<PRE>On 24/10/12 15:52, Joseph Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition
+</I>&gt;<i> to cauldron, and I'd like to get a mentor to review them. The main
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is that I'm in Asia so it's going to be difficult for me to
+</I>&gt;<i> attend the IRC meeting at 3 a.m. :-( :-(
+</I>
+Hi Joseph,
+Thanks for hanging around even if no one volunteered yet for being your
+mentor.
+
+&gt;<i> So I'm looking to see how I can get a mentor. If there is some other
+</I>&gt;<i> time in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone
+</I>&gt;<i> can send me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.
+</I>
+IRC has people in it all the time. Mageia has contributors from all
+around the world, although there is more activity when it's the day in
+Europe.
+We have some people in Asia that can potentially mentor you.
+
+Otherwise, please hang around #mageia-mentoring and ping me there.
+
+I'm quite busy these days, and not really in your time zone. But if you
+come on IRC #mageia-mentoring during your afternoon/evening, we can
+start chatting a bit, and maybe review a couple of packages before
+finding you an official mentor, ok? (Note that this official mentor can
+be me from mid-November, when I have a bit more time)
+
+If other potential apprentices read that, please follow the same idea:
+come to the #mageia-mentoring channel and say hi to me or other random
+people in order to get you started.
+There is no point just waiting.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+<PRE>On 24/10/12 16:27, wally wrote:
+&gt;<i> Name : grsync Relocations: (not relocatable)
+</I>&gt;<i> Version : 1.2.2 Vendor: Mageia.Org
+</I>&gt;<i> Release : 1.mga3 Build Date: Wed Oct 24 17:25:12 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> Install Date: (not installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Group : File tools Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Size : 312202 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : wally&lt;wally&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> URL : <A HREF="http://www.opbyte.it/grsync/">http://www.opbyte.it/grsync/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Summary : A GTK GUI for rsync
+</I>&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> Grsync is a GUI for rsync, the command line directory
+</I>&gt;<i> synchronization tool. While it can work with remote
+</I>&gt;<i> hosts, its focus is to synchronize local directories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wally&lt;wally&gt; 1.2.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309669
+</I>&gt;<i> - new version 1.2.2
+</I>
+Please change the group to Networking/File transfer, where rsync is.
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+Thanks,
+--
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+<PRE>Le 24/10/2012 16:52, Joseph Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition
+</I>&gt;<i> to cauldron, and I'd like to get a mentor to review them. The main
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is that I'm in Asia so it's going to be difficult for me to
+</I>&gt;<i> attend the IRC meeting at 3 a.m. :-( :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'm looking to see how I can get a mentor. If there is some other
+</I>&gt;<i> time in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone
+</I>&gt;<i> can send me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.
+</I>
+Let see with Funda he should be quite near you. I will mail him and put
+you in copy
+
+Cheers
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also the things that I've had ready for submission are
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> various games
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> simutrans
+</I>&gt;<i> leocad
+</I>&gt;<i> vassal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some python packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pi2rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> pyopencl
+</I>&gt;<i> pyopengl
+</I>&gt;<i> pip
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and lots of others
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some scientific packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> eigen
+</I>&gt;<i> quantlib - although this will need some work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> X11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> glamor
+</I>&gt;<i> open source ati for southern islands
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire
+</I>&gt;<i> astrophysical source code library built for mandriva. In particular,
+</I>&gt;<i> once I get started, I'd like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution)
+</I>&gt;<i> into the distribution.
+</I>
+
+--
+Anne
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+<PRE>On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:37:52 +0100
+Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pierre-malo.denielou at rhul.ac.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 24/10/12 16:27, wally wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : grsync Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 1.2.2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vendor: Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Date: Wed Oct 24 17:25:12 2012 Install Date: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installed) Build Host: jonund.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Group : File tools Source RPM: (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Size : 312202 License: GPLv2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Signature : (none) Packager : wally&lt;wally&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; URL : <A HREF="http://www.opbyte.it/grsync/">http://www.opbyte.it/grsync/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Summary : A GTK GUI for rsync
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Grsync is a GUI for rsync, the command line directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; synchronization tool. While it can work with remote
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hosts, its focus is to synchronize local directories.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wally&lt;wally&gt; 1.2.2-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; + Revision: 309669
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - new version 1.2.2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please change the group to Networking/File transfer, where rsync is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Done.
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+<PRE>Hi Joseph,
+
+On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:52:57 +0800
+Joseph Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">joequant at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition to
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, and I'd like to get a mentor to review them. The main problem is
+</I>&gt;<i> that I'm in Asia so it's going to be difficult for me to attend the IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting at 3 a.m. :-( :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am located in Israel
+( <A HREF="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_IL.aspx?city=Tel_Aviv">http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_IL.aspx?city=Tel_Aviv</A> ) and I
+can try mentoring you. Technically, I have several apprentices, but they
+are not very persistent.
+
+I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on #mageia-mentoring .
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> So I'm looking to see how I can get a mentor. If there is some other time
+</I>&gt;<i> in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone can send
+</I>&gt;<i> me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also the things that I've had ready for submission are
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> various games
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> simutrans
+</I>&gt;<i> leocad
+</I>&gt;<i> vassal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some python packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pi2rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> pyopencl
+</I>&gt;<i> pyopengl
+</I>&gt;<i> pip
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and lots of others
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some scientific packages
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> eigen
+</I>&gt;<i> quantlib - although this will need some work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> X11
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> glamor
+</I>&gt;<i> open source ati for southern islands
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire
+</I>&gt;<i> astrophysical source code library built for mandriva. In particular, once
+</I>&gt;<i> I get started, I'd like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution) into
+</I>&gt;<i> the distribution.
+</I>
+
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+What does &quot;Zionism&quot; mean? - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/def-zionism">http://shlom.in/def-zionism</A>
+
+In the Technion, there are many ways to get from one place to the other, but
+they are all the same length.
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Le 24/10/2012 18:17, Shlomi Fish a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi Joseph,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:52:57 +0800
+</I>&gt;<i> Joseph Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">joequant at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have a number of packages that are ready to be reviewed for addition to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron, and I'd like to get a mentor to review them. The main problem is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that I'm in Asia so it's going to be difficult for me to attend the IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> meeting at 3 a.m. :-( :-(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am located in Israel
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_IL.aspx?city=Tel_Aviv">http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_IL.aspx?city=Tel_Aviv</A> ) and I
+</I>&gt;<i> can try mentoring you. Technically, I have several apprentices, but they
+</I>&gt;<i> are not very persistent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am &quot;rindolf&quot; on #mageia-mentoring .
+</I>
+I've contacted Funda. It would be nice if he can handle this to avoid
+that you manage zillions of apprentices
+
+Cheers
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I'm looking to see how I can get a mentor. If there is some other time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in which the IRC has people on it, I can meet then, or if someone can send
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> me a personal e-mail letting me know where to upload things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also the things that I've had ready for submission are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> various games
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simutrans
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leocad
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> vassal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some python packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pi2rpm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pyopencl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pyopengl
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pip
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and lots of others
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some scientific packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eigen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quantlib - although this will need some work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> X11
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> glamor
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open source ati for southern islands
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Once I get this batch into cauldron, my next goal is to get the entire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> astrophysical source code library built for mandriva. In particular, once
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I get started, I'd like to get CMBFAST and MESA (stellar evolution) into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Anne
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le 24/10/2012 16:15, Bruno Cornec a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Example, no auto_inst wiki page for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can copy paste some of the previous content, but as I'm not developing
+</I>&gt;<i> that, I don't know what is accurate or not for Mageia 2 e.g.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Would be great if anyone more legitimate to work on this would do it.
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+</I>Feel free to add it to the Wiki : it is always good to have a starting
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+<PRE>On 24 October 2012 18:58, blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> tsocks' role is to allow these non SOCKS aware applications (e.g
+</I>&gt;<i> telnet, ssh, ftp etc) to use SOCKS without any modification. It does
+</I>&gt;<i> this by intercepting the calls that applications make to establish
+</I>&gt;<i> network connections and negotating them through a SOCKS server as
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary.
+</I>
+for work obviously :-)
+
+&gt;<i> blino &lt;blino&gt; 1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309693
+</I>&gt;<i> - fix tsocks wrapper by using versionned so file (and fix man page as well)
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+&gt;<i> On 24 October 2012 18:58, blino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tsocks' role is to allow these non SOCKS aware applications (e.g
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> telnet, ssh, ftp etc) to use SOCKS without any modification. It does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this by intercepting the calls that applications make to establish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> network connections and negotating them through a SOCKS server as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> necessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for work obviously :-)
+</I>
+Yep, to push on github over ssh, so that I can make pull requets.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 24 oktober 2012 16:15:13 schreef Bruno Cornec:
+&gt;<i> Damien Lallement said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:28:14PM +0200:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For auto_inst.cfg.pl:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'no_suggests' =&gt; 1,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks will try that one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I find it very sad that the auto_inst tool is not much more
+</I>&gt;<i> documented in an accurate way.
+</I>&gt;<i> I blogged already coupld of years ago on that
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/auto_inst-the-best-kept-mandriva">http://brunocornec.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/auto_inst-the-best-kept-mandriva</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> s-secret/ and I don't think the situation has improved with Mageia, for that
+</I>&gt;<i> particular point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Example, no auto_inst wiki page for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Utilisateur:Roudoud0u">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Utilisateur:Roudoud0u</A> doesn't mention
+</I>&gt;<i> no_suggests nor does the older <A HREF="http://members.shaw.ca/mandrake/">http://members.shaw.ca/mandrake/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can copy paste some of the previous content, but as I'm not developing
+</I>&gt;<i> that, I don't know what is accurate or not for Mageia 2 e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be great if anyone more legitimate to work on this would do it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bruno.
+</I>
+i've noticed this too, it would be nice if it would be documented.
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+<PRE>On 10/22/2012 11:15 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After uncountable years as a packager and maintainer in the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distribution, providing a huge number of impeccable contributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> G&#246;tz Waschk is now joining us as a Mageia packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+MageiaBigBoss++ !!!!
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
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+Yay! Benefited from his work for many many years.
+
+--
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> no description found
+</I>
+Please fix that
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+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 4.100.0-1.mga3:
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 24 octobre 2012 22:50:13 Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yay! Benefited from his work for many many years.
+</I>
+ah there is now 2 gnome packagers :) i hope you will talk to make us a even
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 24 octobre 2012 22:50:13 Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yay! Benefited from his work for many many years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ah there is now 2 gnome packagers :) i hope you will talk to make us a even
+</I>&gt;<i> better gnome distro :)
+</I>Hum there's already more than two.
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+<PRE>2012/10/24 Anne Nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael at mageia.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi Funda
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here somebody you may be able to help to become a Mageia packager. Can you
+</I>&gt;<i> see with him if it's possible ?
+</I>Sure, I'm happy with that. And we could communicate with Chinese :p
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+Please update the mentoring page. Thanks.
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+<PRE>I'm trying to install MGA-2 on an 8TB logical drive provided by an lsi
+logic mega raid.
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+is the install using fdisk or gparted to partiton the disk now-a-days???
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+FDisk won't deal with more that 2TB
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+I went to the &lt;ctl&gt;&lt;alt&gt;&lt;F2&gt; console and can not find parted, only fdisk...
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+Richard
+
+On 10/24/2012 09:08 AM, Bruno Cornec wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:54:38PM +0200:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/10/23 Bruno Cornec&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Helo,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm in the process of redeploying automatically my firewall machine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> using Mageia. For that I'd like to have a very minimal install.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had the same experience with Mageia 1 - the lowest I could get was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> somewhere in the high 500. I spent some time tinkering with that but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whatever I tried, whichever package I wanted to remove, I always ended
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> up with the removal of part of the base system. In the end I gave up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (possibly due to lack of knowledge) :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just checked Olivier's suggestion, ending up with some 270 packages...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I *know* i can do better:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sudo chroot /users/rpmbootstrap/mageia/2/x86_64 /bin/bash
+</I>&gt;<i> bash-4.2# rpm -aq | wc -l
+</I>&gt;<i> 172
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That chroot is made by a tool I'm developing to create build
+</I>&gt;<i> environments for multiple Linux distributions (supports Fedora, CentOS,
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, Mandriva, OpenSuSE, debian, Ubuntu). Cf: rpmbootstrap in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> (SVN at <A HREF="http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/rpmbootstrap">http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/rpmbootstrap</A> tar
+</I>&gt;<i> at <A HREF="ftp://ftp.project-builder.org/src/rpmbootstrap-0.12.1.tar.gz">ftp://ftp.project-builder.org/src/rpmbootstrap-0.12.1.tar.gz</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The base approach is to cpio first a list of packages (the minimal one
+</I>&gt;<i> which allows urpmi to work) and then reinstall them running urpmi.
+</I>&gt;<i> List of packages is at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/pb-modules/etc/pb.conf">http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/pb-modules/etc/pb.conf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> line 389/390.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I was hoping to get near that number after all. Of course a chroot
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't require a boot loader, so all the packages brought due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> install of grub are creating the extra blurb.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I already have one mean to make it as small as possible. Now I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> working on another case, where I just use auto_inst. So I'd like to be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to use all the params available that could make me as near as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible of 170 + grub and its deps (the real ones).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will answer to some other mail in //
+</I>&gt;<i> Bruno.
+</I>
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+In /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-requires, it reads:
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+# Weak symbol versions (from glibc).
+&lt;snip&gt;
+ (START==2) &amp;&amp; (LIBNAME!=&quot;&quot;) &amp;&amp; ($4!=&quot;&quot;) &amp;&amp; (($4~/^GLIBC_*/) ||
+($4~/^GCC_*/)) {
+ print LIBNAME &quot;(&quot; $4 &quot;)'$lib64'&quot;;
+ }
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+That means, we only prints those weak symbols regarding GLIBC and GCC. But why?
+
+$ objdump -x /usr/lib64/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
+Version References:
+ required from libxml2.so.2:
+ 0x08f4cab6 0x00 19 LIBXML2_2.6.6
+ 0x08f4cab0 0x00 16 LIBXML2_2.6.0
+ 0x0f4c8be0 0x00 15 LIBXML2_2.4.30
+ required from libpthread.so.0:
+ 0x09691a75 0x00 10 GLIBC_2.2.5
+ required from libstdc++.so.6:
+ 0x056bafd3 0x00 18 CXXABI_1.3
+ 0x02297f89 0x00 17 GLIBCXX_3.4.9
+ 0x0297f865 0x00 11 GLIBCXX_3.4.15
+ 0x08922974 0x00 08 GLIBCXX_3.4
+ required from libxslt.so.1:
+ 0x0f5c4bd4 0x00 20 LIBXML2_1.0.24
+ 0x08f5c3b9 0x00 14 LIBXML2_1.1.9
+ 0x0f5c4bd2 0x00 12 LIBXML2_1.0.22
+ 0x0f5c4bc1 0x00 07 LIBXML2_1.0.11
+ required from libjpeg.so.8:
+ 0x04cdfde0 0x00 06 LIBJPEG_8.0
+ required from libdl.so.2:
+ 0x09691a75 0x00 04 GLIBC_2.2.5
+ required from libm.so.6:
+ 0x09691a75 0x00 03 GLIBC_2.2.5
+ required from libc.so.6:
+ 0x0d696918 0x00 23 GLIBC_2.8
+ 0x06969191 0x00 22 GLIBC_2.11
+ 0x06969194 0x00 21 GLIBC_2.14
+ 0x0d696914 0x00 13 GLIBC_2.4
+ 0x0d696913 0x00 09 GLIBC_2.3
+ 0x09691a75 0x00 05 GLIBC_2.2.5
+ 0x09691974 0x00 02 GLIBC_2.3.4
+
+That means, ABI versions regarding LIBXML2* and LIBJPEG* are not
+raised when packaging. Fedora is promoting those extra ABI versions
+now. I read history on mandriva's repository, but could not find any
+relevant information.
+
+Any thoughts to export those requirements?
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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+&gt;<i> I'm trying to install MGA-2 on an 8TB logical drive provided by an lsi logic
+</I>&gt;<i> mega raid.
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+</I>&gt;<i> is the install using fdisk or gparted to partiton the disk now-a-days???
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+The installer uses it's own code.
+If you want GPT it will use libparted (but is not able to initialize a
+blank GPT disk, only to add/remove partitions)
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+&gt;<i> FDisk won't deal with more that 2TB
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> You can use this for instance when running 32bit compiles started from
+</I>&gt;<i> inside a Perl program in a 32bit chroot but running on a 64bit host kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> Without hints the compile tools get confused and try do do 64bit in the
+</I>&gt;<i> 32bit environment.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's somewhat comparable to the 'setarch' (also known as 'linux32')
+</I>&gt;<i> utility. With 'personality' you can get similar effect inside a Perl
+</I>&gt;<i> program.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From &quot;man 2 personality&quot;:
+</I>
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+Please remove last bogus line
+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 0.10.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 309792
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+&gt;<i> Description :
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+Please fix that
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+Please fix that
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+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 4.1.0-1.mga3:
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+&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 2.99.0-1.mga3:
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+<PRE>Am 24.10.2012 23:24, schrieb John Balcaen:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/24 Nicolas L&#233;cureuil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mercredi 24 octobre 2012 22:50:13 Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please welcome him aboard!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yay! Benefited from his work for many many years.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ah there is now 2 gnome packagers :) i hope you will talk to make us a even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better gnome distro :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Hum there's already more than two.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Welcome G&#246;tz, long time no see :)
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+ <B>Richard Couture</B>
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+<PRE>So I can use Fedora 17 to partition a new GPT array of 9 Terras and then
+use Mageia to install???
+
+Are we planning on using something that can do it all from Mageia soon??
+
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+Richard
+
+
+On 10/25/2012 02:25 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Richard Couture&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm trying to install MGA-2 on an 8TB logical drive provided by an lsi logic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mega raid.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is the install using fdisk or gparted to partiton the disk now-a-days???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The installer uses it's own code.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want GPT it will use libparted (but is not able to initialize a
+</I>&gt;<i> blank GPT disk, only to add/remove partitions)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FDisk won't deal with more that 2TB
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I went to the&lt;ctl&gt;&lt;alt&gt;&lt;F2&gt; console and can not find parted, only fdisk...
+</I>
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+<PRE>2012/10/25 Richard Couture &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> So I can use Fedora 17 to partition a new GPT array of 9 Terras and then use
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia to install???
+</I>
+Yes
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+&gt;<i> Are we planning on using something that can do it all from Mageia soon??
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+There is nothing to &quot;use&quot;, it's a matter of changing the user
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+Damien Lallement said on Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:28:14PM +0200:
+&gt;<i> Le 23/10/2012 15:23, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Bruno Cornec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Bruno.Cornec at hp.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;However, I'm ending up with 580 packages, among them a lot of X11
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;content, whereas I want a text base install only.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Suggests?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;There is an option to not use them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For auto_inst.cfg.pl:
+</I>&gt;<i> 'no_suggests' =&gt; 1,
+</I>
+With that I passed from 580 to 398 (I added 6 to my list). So I still
+have a problem I do not really understand. I included (IMO) no X11
+program, and however still get lots of x11 related stuff. Now putting
+plymouth apart, for example I see:
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+# urpme libx11-common
+Pour satisfaire les d&#233;pendances, les 4 paquetages suivants vont &#234;tre
+d&#233;sinstall&#233;s (3.7Mo):
+ libx11-common-1.4.99.1-4.mga2.x86_64
+ x11-server-xorg-1.11.4-2.1.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de libx11-common)
+ xdm-1.1.11-5.mga2.x86_64
+ (car xinitrc &gt; 2.4.19-9 est non satisfait)
+ xinitrc-2.4.21-4.mga2.noarch
+ (en raison du manque de x11-server-xorg)
+Supprimer 4 paquetages&#160;? (o/N)
+
+None of these 4 are coming from me, nor should come from suggests now
+that I do not include them. So how can I get them ?
+
+Same for:
+# urpme x11-server-common
+Pour satisfaire les d&#233;pendances, les 5 paquetages suivants vont &#234;tre
+d&#233;sinstall&#233;s (4.1Mo):
+ x11-driver-input-evdev-2.7.0-1.mga2.x86_64
+ (car xserver-abi(xinput-13) &gt;= 0 est non satisfait,
+ en raison du manque de x11-server-common)
+ x11-server-common-1.11.4-2.1.mga2.x86_64
+ x11-server-xorg-1.11.4-2.1.mga2.x86_64
+ (car x11-server-common == 1.11.4-2.1.mga2 est non satisfait,
+ en raison du manque de x11-driver-input-evdev)
+ xdm-1.1.11-5.mga2.x86_64
+ (car xinitrc &gt; 2.4.19-9 est non satisfait)
+ xinitrc-2.4.21-4.mga2.noarch
+ (car x11-server-common &gt;= 1.4.2 est non satisfait,
+ en raison du manque de x11-server-xorg)
+Supprimer 5 paquetages&#160;? (o/N)
+
+So I could remove them, but why are they coming first ?
+
+# urpmi_rpm-find-leaves
+acpi
+acpid
+basesystem
+dhcp-client
+gpg-pubkey
+kernel-desktop-latest === Not in my list
+kernel-server-latest
+locales-fr
+mageia-gfxboot-theme === Not in my list
+mandi-ifw === Not in my list
+microcode_ctl === Not in my list
+mondo
+ntp
+numlock
+openssh-server
+pm-utils
+postfix
+shorewall
+squidguard
+sudo
+tmpwatch
+xdm === Not in my list
+
+What is triggering the fact they are installed ?
+
+Surprisingly also I get these which are simply unnecessary on my
+firewall:
+
+alsa-utils-1.0.25-4.mga2
+aumix-text-2.9.1-1.mga2
+desktop-common-data-2-10.mga2
+desktop-file-utils-0.20-1.1.mga2
+fontconfig-2.8.0-6.mga2
+hicolor-icon-theme-0.12-3.mga1
+lib64alsa2-1.0.25-3.mga2
+lib64x11_6-1.4.99.1-4.mga2 (and a lot of libx stuff)
+libalsa-data-1.0.25-3.mga2
+mageia-theme-common-1.5.0.28-4.mga2
+mageia-theme-Default-1.5.0.28-4.mga2
+mkfontdir-1.0.7-1.mga2
+mkfontscale-1.1.0-1.mga2
+rmt-0.4b42-2.mga1
+sound-scripts-0.62-7.mga2
+tcb-1.1-1.mga2
+thai-data-0.1.14-1.mga1
+x11-data-bitmaps-1.1.1-1.mga1 (and a lot of w11 stuff)
+xdg-user-dirs-0.14-1.mga2
+xdg-utils-1.1.0-0.rc1.2.mga2
+xdm-1.1.11-5.mga2
+xdpyinfo-1.3.0-1.mga2
+xinitrc-2.4.21-4.mga2
+xkbcomp-1.2.3-1.mga2
+xli-20061110-7.mga2
+xmodmap-1.0.5-1.mga1
+xprop-1.2.1-1.mga2
+xrdb-1.0.9-2.mga1
+xset-1.2.2-1.mga2
+xsetroot-1.1.0-1.mga1
+
+Trying to urpme each of them gives:
+
+# urpme mageia-theme-common-1.5.0.28-4.mga2
+La d&#233;sinstallation du paquetage suivant rendra votre syst&#232;me instable
+ basesystem-2-6.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de kernel)
+
+Or
+# urpme libalsa-data
+La d&#233;sinstallation du paquetage suivant rendra votre syst&#232;me instable
+ basesystem-minimal-2-6.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de initscripts,
+ en raison du manque de cronie,
+ en raison du manque de rpm,
+ en raison du manque de util-linux,
+ en raison du manque de mount,
+ en raison du manque de losetup,
+ en raison du manque de shadow-utils,
+ en raison du manque de setup,
+ en raison du manque de stat,
+ en raison du manque de coreutils,
+ en raison du manque de passwd,
+ en raison du manque de gzip,
+ en raison du manque de less)
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+depending on the package.
+
+For me the best is:
+# urpme thai-data-0.1.14-1.mga1
+La d&#233;sinstallation du paquetage suivant rendra votre syst&#232;me instable
+ basesystem-2-6.mga2.x86_64
+ (en raison du manque de kernel)
+# rpm -qi thai-data-0.1.14-1.mga1 | grep Summary
+Summary : Thai language support data
+# rpm -qi lib64thai0| grep Summary
+Summary : Thai language support routines
+
+Isn't this one very puzzling no ?
+
+Any idea on how to progress from here is welcome.
+Any hidden auto_inst.pl option that would help avoid X11 ?
+Bruno.
+--
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+FLOSS projects: <A HREF="http://mondorescue.org">http://mondorescue.org</A> <A HREF="http://project-builder.org">http://project-builder.org</A>
+Musique ancienne? <A HREF="http://www.musique-ancienne.org">http://www.musique-ancienne.org</A> <A HREF="http://www.medieval.org">http://www.medieval.org</A>
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+ <B>Richard Couture</B>
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+<PRE>It worked!
+
+Hopefully in MGA-3 it won't be necessary to use Fedora or Windoze to
+install on HUGE disks ( &lt;2.5TB ) &lt;Grin&gt;
+
+On another note, I'm getting used to system-D and I note that inittab is
+more or less useless.
+
+I am trying to set my machine, MGA-2, to boot without graphics until
+such time as I uninstall Xorg.
+ systemctl disable dm.service tells me that there is no such service.
+ chkconfig calls systemctl ...
+changing the S52dm link in /etc/rc5.d to K30dm still gives me graphics
+on subsequent boots.
+init 3 after boot completion kills graphics.
+
+How do I tell the system that yes graphics are installed and NO I don't
+want to see them on boot??????
+
+Thanks
+
+
+Richard
+
+On 10/25/2012 05:15 PM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/25 Richard Couture&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rrc at linuxcabal.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I can use Fedora 17 to partition a new GPT array of 9 Terras and then use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia to install???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are we planning on using something that can do it all from Mageia soon??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is nothing to &quot;use&quot;, it's a matter of changing the user
+</I>&gt;<i> interface to give the user the choice between GPT and DOS on blank
+</I>&gt;<i> disks
+</I>
+--
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+<PRE>Le 26/10/2012 01:33, Richard Couture a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I am trying to set my machine, MGA-2, to boot without graphics until
+</I>&gt;<i> such time as I uninstall Xorg.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl disable dm.service tells me that there is no such service.
+</I>&gt;<i> chkconfig calls systemctl ...
+</I>&gt;<i> changing the S52dm link in /etc/rc5.d to K30dm still gives me graphics
+</I>&gt;<i> on subsequent boots.
+</I>&gt;<i> init 3 after boot completion kills graphics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How do I tell the system that yes graphics are installed and NO I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to see them on boot??????
+</I><A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_change_the_default_runlevel.3F">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_change_the_default_runlevel.3F</A>
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+BOFH excuse #377:
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 26/10/12 00:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On another note, I'm getting used to system-D and I note that inittab is
+</I>&gt;<i> more or less useless.
+</I>
+Yup, it's not even read now.
+
+&gt;<i> I am trying to set my machine, MGA-2, to boot without graphics until
+</I>&gt;<i> such time as I uninstall Xorg.
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl disable dm.service tells me that there is no such service.
+</I>&gt;<i> chkconfig calls systemctl ...
+</I>
+Yeah, this is a bit rubbish still. dm.service is just a symlink to mask
+the real name of the service but the error message helpfully doesn't
+hint at that. There was a discussion with a proposal to make this much
+better upstream just a couple days ago so it'll probably get better over
+time.
+
+For various reasons I won't go into here (it's on the upstream
+discussion) enabling/disabling services via their aliases is not a great
+idea. More meta info is certainly needed tho'!
+
+&gt;<i> How do I tell the system that yes graphics are installed and NO I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want to see them on boot??????
+</I>
+So in order to see more info, you can do &quot;systemctl status dm.service&quot;
+This will tell you the *real* name of the service: which in this case is
+prefdm.service:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">colin at jimmy</A> code (master)]$ systemctl status dm.service
+prefdm.service - Display Manager
+ Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prefdm.service; static)
+ Active: active (running) since Tue, 2012-10-23 10:54:17 BST; 2 days ago
+
+
+So normally I would say just run &quot;systemctl disable prefdm.service&quot;
+should do the trick but if you look at the output above carefully, this
+is actually a &quot;static&quot; service. This means it cannot be enabled/disabled
+separately. This will eventually change (as in the long term we'll
+transition to separate services for each of the desktop DMs
+(gdm.service, kdm.service etc.).
+
+Anyway, for now it's a hard requirement of graphical.target.
+
+
+So long story short, you need to set your default.target to point at
+multi-user.target rather than graphical.target.
+
+You can use one of the utilities in drakxtools (I forget which) or you
+can simply issue:
+
+ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target
+/etc/systemd/system/default.target
+
+(drop the leading &quot;/usr&quot; if on mga2).
+
+HTHs
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+I've been trying out CPAN2Pkg, and was dismayed by this bug:
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+<A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418</A>
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+&quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages (in the Mageia
+upstream).
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+I did not get a reply to the previous bug I reported (which is of similar
+nature) in 3 months
+- <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510</A> .
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+Now, I tried to find out what the problem with CPAN2Pkg and after a long
+investigation, I realised that check_upstream_availability() and
+_install_from_upstream_with_rpm_lock() are called only on the initial
+$self-&gt;module-&gt;name() (which is object-wide) and not only on its prerequisites.
+That's not good - we should check each prerequisite as well. Can you look into
+fixing this? Otherwise, it makes cpan2pkg extremely frustrating to use.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/sussman">http://shlom.in/sussman</A>
+
+To have bugs is human; to find them &#8212; divine.
+
+Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/reply">http://shlom.in/reply</A> .
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 26 12:19:51 CEST 2012</I>
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+I have used the Gnome LiveCD 32bits to do some disk test on an old box,
+and I have a couple gotchas I would have to share in the list (don't
+know if they are really bugs).
+
+Here I go:
+- this is an old i965 box. The ATA disk is named like hda. Why has
+ IDE driver preference over SATA ? I would expect it to be sda...
+- the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+ wording for the choice is misleading:
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+ [ ] Unsued hardware support
+
+ What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+ hw support or to remove it ? Perhaps you could rephrase it like this,
+ depending on what does it really mean:
+ [ ] Keep unused harware support
+ or
+ [ ] Remove unused hardware support
+
+Thats all for the moment...
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Software is like sex:
+ \ It's better when it's free
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>
+The text reads this way:
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+We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+[ ] Unused hardware support
+[ ] Unused localization
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The text reads this way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localization
+</I>
+Yes, still I was puzzled for a moment as well. To me this is a correct
+choice of words but it is not the best to be un-misunderstandable. I
+agree to JA's suggestion to improve this.
+It's like the question when you want to disable the firewall. First
+line in the assistent says &quot;ALL&quot; which is logical correct but it is
+better understandable with the additional &quot;(no firewall)&quot;
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+--
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+&gt;<i> I've been trying out CPAN2Pkg, and was dismayed by this bug:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages (in the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not get a reply to the previous bug I reported (which is of similar
+</I>&gt;<i> nature) in 3 months
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510</A> .
+</I>
+strange, i did not get the email from rt, which is why i didn't have a
+look at them. :-(
+
+&gt;<i> Now, I tried to find out what the problem with CPAN2Pkg and after a long
+</I>&gt;<i> investigation, I realised that check_upstream_availability() and
+</I>&gt;<i> _install_from_upstream_with_rpm_lock() are called only on the initial
+</I>&gt;<i> $self-&gt;module-&gt;name() (which is object-wide) and not only on its prerequisites.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not good - we should check each prerequisite as well. Can you look into
+</I>&gt;<i> fixing this? Otherwise, it makes cpan2pkg extremely frustrating to use.
+</I>
+sorry, but check_upstream_availability is done in START event from
+app::cpan2pkg::worker class, and thus for each new module. indeed,
+there's a new worker session created for each module to be investigated.
+
+your error comes from this in the output:
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+ * 22:16:46 Running: cpanp /prereqs show Carp::REPL
+
+ [ERROR] No such plugin command
+
+
+==&gt; you need to install
+perl-CPANPLUS-Shell-Default-Plugins-Prereqs-0.100.0-1.mga3.noarch.rpm
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+
+2012/10/25 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In /usr/lib/rpm/mageia/find-requires, it reads:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Weak symbol versions (from glibc).
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;snip&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> (START==2) &amp;&amp; (LIBNAME!=&quot;&quot;) &amp;&amp; ($4!=&quot;&quot;) &amp;&amp; (($4~/^GLIBC_*/) ||
+</I>&gt;<i> ($4~/^GCC_*/)) {
+</I>&gt;<i> print LIBNAME &quot;(&quot; $4 &quot;)'$lib64'&quot;;
+</I>&gt;<i> }
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That means, we only prints those weak symbols regarding GLIBC and GCC. But why?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ objdump -x /usr/lib64/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
+</I>&gt;<i> Version References:
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libxml2.so.2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x08f4cab6 0x00 19 LIBXML2_2.6.6
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x08f4cab0 0x00 16 LIBXML2_2.6.0
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0f4c8be0 0x00 15 LIBXML2_2.4.30
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libpthread.so.0:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x09691a75 0x00 10 GLIBC_2.2.5
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libstdc++.so.6:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x056bafd3 0x00 18 CXXABI_1.3
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x02297f89 0x00 17 GLIBCXX_3.4.9
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0297f865 0x00 11 GLIBCXX_3.4.15
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x08922974 0x00 08 GLIBCXX_3.4
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libxslt.so.1:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0f5c4bd4 0x00 20 LIBXML2_1.0.24
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x08f5c3b9 0x00 14 LIBXML2_1.1.9
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0f5c4bd2 0x00 12 LIBXML2_1.0.22
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0f5c4bc1 0x00 07 LIBXML2_1.0.11
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libjpeg.so.8:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x04cdfde0 0x00 06 LIBJPEG_8.0
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libdl.so.2:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x09691a75 0x00 04 GLIBC_2.2.5
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libm.so.6:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x09691a75 0x00 03 GLIBC_2.2.5
+</I>&gt;<i> required from libc.so.6:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0d696918 0x00 23 GLIBC_2.8
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x06969191 0x00 22 GLIBC_2.11
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x06969194 0x00 21 GLIBC_2.14
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0d696914 0x00 13 GLIBC_2.4
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x0d696913 0x00 09 GLIBC_2.3
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x09691a75 0x00 05 GLIBC_2.2.5
+</I>&gt;<i> 0x09691974 0x00 02 GLIBC_2.3.4
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That means, ABI versions regarding LIBXML2* and LIBJPEG* are not
+</I>&gt;<i> raised when packaging. Fedora is promoting those extra ABI versions
+</I>&gt;<i> now. I read history on mandriva's repository, but could not find any
+</I>&gt;<i> relevant information.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any thoughts to export those requirements?
+</I>
+T
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+&gt;<i> There is no objections?
+</I>
+No.
+BTW what does RH?
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 26/10/12 14:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> There is no objections?
+</I>
+It would seem reasonable I guess. Only question would be what it would
+do to the hdlist sizes and such like.
+
+I think Thierry did some tweaks to reduce these sizes some months ago so
+this may break any advantages this brings.
+
+My uneducated guess is that it wouldn't change things too much, but
+others more informed than I can perhaps make a better call on it.
+
+Cheers
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 26/10/12 14:59 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Funda Wang at 26/10/12 14:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is no objections?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would seem reasonable I guess. Only question would be what it would
+</I>&gt;<i> do to the hdlist sizes and such like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think Thierry did some tweaks to reduce these sizes some months ago so
+</I>&gt;<i> this may break any advantages this brings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My uneducated guess is that it wouldn't change things too much, but
+</I>&gt;<i> others more informed than I can perhaps make a better call on it.
+</I>
+Ha! By the time I fixed my broken sasl auth stuff (new bug for mga2 and
+a bigger one for mga3 discovered!) and was actually able to send my
+mail, Thierry had replied :)
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On 26 October 2012 14:06, shlomif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Description :
+</I>&gt;<i> no description found
+</I>
+Please fix all your new perl packages of today...
+And check future ones before initial import...
+
+&gt;<i> shlomif &lt;shlomif&gt; 4.1.0-1.mga3:
+</I>&gt;<i> + Revision: 310269
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+ <B>Shlomi Fish</B>
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+thanks for replying for the previous bug. Here is a new bug I filed now:
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+<A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80420">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80420</A>
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+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:53:09 +0200
+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi Jerome,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been trying out CPAN2Pkg, and was dismayed by this bug:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages (in the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not get a reply to the previous bug I reported (which is of similar
+</I>&gt;<i> nature) in 3 months
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=78510</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I tried to find out what the problem with CPAN2Pkg and after a long
+</I>&gt;<i> investigation, I realised that check_upstream_availability() and
+</I>&gt;<i> _install_from_upstream_with_rpm_lock() are called only on the initial
+</I>&gt;<i> $self-&gt;module-&gt;name() (which is object-wide) and not only on its
+</I>&gt;<i> prerequisites. That's not good - we should check each prerequisite as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can you look into fixing this? Otherwise, it makes cpan2pkg extremely
+</I>&gt;<i> frustrating to use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The case of faac package has been discussed several times already:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, the conclusion was than we had no perfect solution to handle the
+</I>&gt;<i> case of a software being having both licensing and patents issue,
+</I>&gt;<i> whereas usually software only suffer from one of these problems only,
+</I>&gt;<i> and than creating a dedicated 4th repository was unreasonable. Hence the
+</I>&gt;<i> removal of the package from the mirrors (but not from our svn...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;<i> think it's time to revisit this decision, and rather look for a
+</I>&gt;<i> pragmatic solution rather than a merely bureaucratic one. So far, I
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't see anything in the line of &quot;we don't want to distribute it&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather &quot;we don't know how to do it&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, the simplest solution is just to decide between non-free and
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted repository where this piece of code fits better (or sucks less),
+</I>&gt;<i> eventually document the exception somewhere on the wiki, and stop
+</I>&gt;<i> getting blocked eternally by our own rules...
+</I>
+unfortunately ...
+three weeks after the last post on this thread
+a long silence
+and there is nothing new in Mageia...
+
+Thanks again to Blogdrake's Repo !
+
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/26 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The text reads this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localization
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, still I was puzzled for a moment as well. To me this is a correct
+</I>&gt;<i> choice of words but it is not the best to be un-misunderstandable. I
+</I>&gt;<i> agree to JA's suggestion to improve this.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's like the question when you want to disable the firewall. First
+</I>&gt;<i> line in the assistent says &quot;ALL&quot; which is logical correct but it is
+</I>&gt;<i> better understandable with the additional &quot;(no firewall)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes exactly - I have always felt that this is confusing.
+
+Maybe:-
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+We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+[ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+[ ] Check to remove unused localization
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Friday 26 October 2012 20:48, Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ &#160;] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ &#160;] Check to remove unused localization
+</I>
+Unless I missed something, your example is ambiguous.
+The message is unless you say otherwise, these items will be removed, not keept.
+Therefore the checkboxes is to Keep unused blahblah.
+
+So your example should be:
+===
+We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+[ ] Check to keep unused hardware support
+[ ] Check to keep unused localization
+===
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/26 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 26 October 2012 20:48, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused localization
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unless I missed something, your example is ambiguous.
+</I>&gt;<i> The message is unless you say otherwise, these items will be removed, not keept.
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore the checkboxes is to Keep unused blahblah.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So your example should be:
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to keep unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to keep unused localization
+</I>&gt;<i> ===
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The way the sentance &quot;We will remove the following packages, unless
+you choose otherwise:&quot; is phrased, makes me expect an opt-out
+solution. So it would make sense if it were:
+
+We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+[ x ] Unused hardware support
+[ x ] Unused localization
+
+And you have to uncheck what you want to keep.
+Wouldn't it be clearer?
+
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Le 26/10/12 17:47,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> unfortunately ...
+</I>&gt;<i> three weeks after the last post on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> a long silence
+</I>&gt;<i> and there is nothing new in Mageia..
+</I>
+Sorry Philippe that we are not quick enough for you ...
+
+The packager team is overworked and short of people, so everyone
+prioritises their own work over minor issues like faac (although
+Guillaume is about so solve that issue soon).
+
+If you'd like to help, please join the packager team, we need help with
+maintaining the thousands of packages that are in Mageia and help in
+developing a great Mageia 3.
+
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Friday 26 October 2012 22:14, R&#233;mi Verschelde wrote:
+&gt;<i> The way the sentance &quot;We will remove the following packages, unless
+</I>&gt;<i> you choose otherwise:&quot; is phrased, makes me expect an opt-out
+</I>&gt;<i> solution. So it would make sense if it were:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ x ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ x ] Unused localization
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you have to uncheck what you want to keep.
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be clearer?
+</I>
+That looks much better, yes.
+It get's my vote. :-)=
+
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+ <B>Richard Couture</B>
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+<PRE>More fun with systemd
+
+When I try to start my openvpn client with
+systemctl restart openvpn.service
+
+I get
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl restart openvpn.service
+Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load:
+Invalid argument. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
+for details.
+
+systemctl status openvpn.service
+
+gives me
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl status openvpn.service
+openvpn.service
+ Loaded: error (Reason: Invalid argument)
+ Active: inactive (dead)
+
+
+HOWEVER when I go to /etc/init.d and issue the command
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# cd /etc/init.d
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+Shutting down openvpn: [ OK ]
+Starting openvpn: [ OK ]
+
+everything works fine
+Am I being super twit or something?
+
+I am writing a tutorial on openVPN to present to the international
+Festival of Free Software in Puerto Vallarta <A HREF="http://www.fslvallarta.org">http://www.fslvallarta.org</A>
+ next week and thought to use MGA to indirectly promote it's use.
+
+Thanks
+
+
+
+
+Richard
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+<PRE>Le 26/10/2012 23:36, Richard Couture a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> More fun with systemd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I try to start my openvpn client with
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl restart openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl restart openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load:
+</I>&gt;<i> Invalid argument. See system logs and 'systemctl status
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn.service' for details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl status openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gives me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl status openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> Loaded: error (Reason: Invalid argument)
+</I>&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HOWEVER when I go to /etc/init.d and issue the command
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# cd /etc/init.d
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+</I>&gt;<i> Shutting down openvpn: [ OK ]
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting openvpn: [ OK ]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> everything works fine
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I being super twit or something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am writing a tutorial on openVPN to present to the international
+</I>&gt;<i> Festival of Free Software in Puerto Vallarta
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fslvallarta.org">http://www.fslvallarta.org</A> next week and thought to use MGA to
+</I>&gt;<i> indirectly promote it's use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>
+Hello, I think you can found some help in the related bugs:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6291">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6291</A>
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+if you are a resident of Israel and would like to have an Israeli mirror of
+Mageia, please let <A HREF="http://mirror.isoc.org.il/">http://mirror.isoc.org.il/</A> and me know. So far, the
+administrator of this mirror ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mirrormaster at isoc.org.il</A> ) believes there is too
+little demand for it, and I would like to show him that this is not the case.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
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+A kid always wishes they were older until they are 18. Afterwards, they always
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>On 10/26/2012 12:54 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The text reads this way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localization
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops, sorry for the late answer.
+
+In the live _CD_, I saw no choice for localization, I think it is
+because it only includes english ? The live DVD has both marks to check.
+
+I will rephrase it as:
+
+There is some soft installed by default that is not needed in your
+current setup. Mark them if you want it to be removed now:
+ [ ] Unused hardware support
+ [ ] Unused localizations
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is coming...
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+<PRE>2012/10/27 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 10/26/2012 12:54 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The text reads this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localization
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oops, sorry for the late answer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the live _CD_, I saw no choice for localization, I think it is
+</I>&gt;<i> because it only includes english ? The live DVD has both marks to check.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will rephrase it as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is some soft installed by default that is not needed in your
+</I>&gt;<i> current setup. Mark them if you want it to be removed now:
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localizations
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is
+</I>&gt;<i> coming...
+</I>
+As it is now the user has to read the whole thing (first the leading
+sentence, then the options, then put both in a meaningful relation)
+before he can decide what to do. Our goal was always to make it as
+simple as reasonable for the user to understand what we exactly mean.
+So why not write in the options what is really done?
+
+Some installed packages (hardware and language support) may not be
+needed on your computer.
+[ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+[ ] Check to remove unused language support
+
+Here the option tells exactly and with no room for misunderstanding in
+one line what it is doing when checked or unchecked.
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+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 26 oktober 2012 16:36:50 schreef Richard Couture:
+&gt;<i> More fun with systemd
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I try to start my openvpn client with
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl restart openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I get
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl restart openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load:
+</I>&gt;<i> Invalid argument. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
+</I>&gt;<i> for details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> systemctl status openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gives me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# systemctl status openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> openvpn.service
+</I>&gt;<i> Loaded: error (Reason: Invalid argument)
+</I>&gt;<i> Active: inactive (dead)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HOWEVER when I go to /etc/init.d and issue the command
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> system]# cd /etc/init.d
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at AbelLap</A> init.d]# ./openvpn restart
+</I>&gt;<i> Shutting down openvpn: [ OK ]
+</I>&gt;<i> Starting openvpn: [ OK ]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> everything works fine
+</I>&gt;<i> Am I being super twit or something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am writing a tutorial on openVPN to present to the international
+</I>&gt;<i> Festival of Free Software in Puerto Vallarta <A HREF="http://www.fslvallarta.org">http://www.fslvallarta.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> next week and thought to use MGA to indirectly promote it's use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>
+
+openvpn are now started per configfile:
+
+you should use:
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openvpn at myconffile.service</A>
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+instead (if you have a myconffile.conf in /etc/openvpn/)
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 26 oktober 2012 23:58:52 schreef Shlomi Fish:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if you are a resident of Israel and would like to have an Israeli mirror of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, please let <A HREF="http://mirror.isoc.org.il/">http://mirror.isoc.org.il/</A> and me know. So far, the
+</I>&gt;<i> administrator of this mirror ( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mirrormaster at isoc.org.il</A> ) believes there is
+</I>&gt;<i> too little demand for it, and I would like to show him that this is not the
+</I>&gt;<i> case.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+you can also show him distrowatch.com
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+<PRE>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 26/10/12 17:47,PhilippeDidier nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unfortunately ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> three weeks after the last post on this thread
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a long silence
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and there is nothing new in Mageia..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry Philippe that we are not quick enough for you ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The packager team is overworked and short of people, so everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> prioritises their own work over minor issues like faac (although
+</I>&gt;<i> Guillaume is about so solve that issue soon).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you'd like to help, please join the packager team, we need help with
+</I>&gt;<i> maintaining the thousands of packages that are in Mageia and help in
+</I>&gt;<i> developing a great Mageia 3.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry that you understood that I meant you're not quick enough !!!!
+That was absolutely not what I thought...
+
+But I wondered why the thread suddenly stopped three weeks ago with
+apparently no decision ...
+I was afraid it was buried.
+
+It's a good news when I read that Guillaume is working on it :-)
+
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+I am not skilled enough to become a maintainer... and most of all I
+would not have regularly time to really maintain packages (I wouldn't do
+a serious work for the community if I'm not here to apply corrections
+when needed)
+ When I have time I try my best to test updates, report bugs, propose
+patches or specs (some of them have been used by maintainers), test liveCD
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+ <B>JA Magall&#243;n</B>
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+<PRE>On 10/27/2012 12:40 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/27 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/26/2012 12:54 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the installer asks to remove the unused harware support, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wording for the choice is misleading:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unsued hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What does it really mean if I tick this, I want to keep the unused
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hw support or to remove it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The text reads this way:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We will remove the following packages, unless you choose otherwise:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localization
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oops, sorry for the late answer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the live _CD_, I saw no choice for localization, I think it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because it only includes english ? The live DVD has both marks to check.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will rephrase it as:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is some soft installed by default that is not needed in your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> current setup. Mark them if you want it to be removed now:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Unused localizations
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Winter is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coming...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As it is now the user has to read the whole thing (first the leading
+</I>&gt;<i> sentence, then the options, then put both in a meaningful relation)
+</I>&gt;<i> before he can decide what to do. Our goal was always to make it as
+</I>&gt;<i> simple as reasonable for the user to understand what we exactly mean.
+</I>&gt;<i> So why not write in the options what is really done?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some installed packages (hardware and language support) may not be
+</I>&gt;<i> needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here the option tells exactly and with no room for misunderstanding in
+</I>&gt;<i> one line what it is doing when checked or unchecked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nice
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+<PRE>On Saturday 27 October 2012 00:59, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+&gt;<i> But I wondered why &#160;the thread suddenly stopped three weeks ago with
+</I>&gt;<i> apparently no decision ...
+</I>
+I'm a packager and I also don't remember there beeing a decision.
+There was a lot of discussion, but no resolvement.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>Hi.
+I have encountered a problem with mgarepo that I've never had to deal with until now.
+A package I'm working on has been updated and submitted, before I was finished, and I'm fine with it.
+But &#171;mgarepo up&#187; is asking me what to do, and I have several choices. Two of the choices are &#171;(mc) my conflict&#187; and &#171;(tc) their conflict&#187;. (translated)
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+I have never had a conflict hapening as a result of someone else working on my packages before, so I don't know which these to options do what.
+THink that one of them means that my copy is the copy to use, and the other option means that my copy is to be discarded in favour of the remote copy. but I don't know which option actually does what.
+
+It is Not obvious what the options do, for someone not used to having conflicts. And the manpage or documentation does not mention any options of any kind.
+Can anyone explain to me what these two options do?
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 27 October 2012 03:16, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> A package I'm working on has been updated and submitted, before I was finished, and I'm fine with it.
+</I>
+That is, it was updated and submited by someone else, and not by me.
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+<PRE>On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:16:32 +0100
+&quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have encountered a problem with mgarepo that I've never had to deal
+</I>&gt;<i> with until now. A package I'm working on has been updated and
+</I>&gt;<i> submitted, before I was finished, and I'm fine with it. But &#171;mgarepo
+</I>&gt;<i> up&#187; is asking me what to do, and I have several choices. Two of the
+</I>&gt;<i> choices are &#171;(mc) my conflict&#187; and &#171;(tc) their conflict&#187;. (translated)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have never had a conflict hapening as a result of someone else
+</I>&gt;<i> working on my packages before, so I don't know which these to options
+</I>&gt;<i> do what. THink that one of them means that my copy is the copy to
+</I>&gt;<i> use, and the other option means that my copy is to be discarded in
+</I>&gt;<i> favour of the remote copy. but I don't know which option actually
+</I>&gt;<i> does what.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is Not obvious what the options do, for someone not used to having
+</I>&gt;<i> conflicts. And the manpage or documentation does not mention any
+</I>&gt;<i> options of any kind. Can anyone explain to me what these two options
+</I>&gt;<i> do?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+See e.g.
+<A HREF="http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.cycle.html#svn.tour.cycle.resolve">http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.tour.cycle.html#svn.tour.cycle.resolve</A>
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+thunderbird 16.0.1-1, using imap): my folder display contains twice an
+apparently identical message.
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+The problem had first looked random - some messages single, some
+messages duplicated. Looking closer, it appears as if this problem only
+- and always - happens if messages arrive while thunderbird is already
+running. If messages arrive while I have no active thunderbird, and when
+I then launch thunderbird, these messages are correctly listed as a
+single message.
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+It looks as if this problem is between my thunderbird agent and my
+service provider: if I use the web-access (convergence) to access the
+mail kept on the server, I see the same kind of duplication /
+non-duplication.
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+Does somebody see an explanation? is this problem known?
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Fw%3A%20No%20bluetooth-sendto%20support%20for%20obexd%20%3E%3D%200.47&In-Reply-To=%3C20121027154814.77ef06be.jani.valimaa%40gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>FYI. (Currently we ship obexd 0.45).
+
+Begin forwarded message:
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+Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:14:53 +0200
+From: Bastien Nocera &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bnocera at redhat.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+Subject: No bluetooth-sendto support for obexd &gt;= 0.47
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+As seen in this bug:
+<A HREF="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682106">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682106</A>
+
+obexd changed its API without any warning. It is recommended that
+distributions ship obexd 0.46 until further notice.
+
+Cheers
+
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+<PRE>Another FYI. I guess this one is more important.
+
+Begin forwarded message:
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+Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:04:47 +0200
+From: Stanislav Brabec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sbrabec at suse.cz</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">xdg at lists.freedesktop.org</A>
+Cc: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+Subject: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+
+
+Hallo.
+
+I am pleased to announce changes in Categories in the Desktop Menu
+Specification[1] that incorporated changes and proposals collected in
+last years in XDG list or Bugzilla.
+
+Please update your utilities and distribution menus to accept these new
+Categories.
+
+[1]
+<A HREF="http://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#main-category-registry">http://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#main-category-registry</A>
+
+
+List of changes that affect applications menu:
+
+
+1) Science is now Main Category, not Additional Category.
+
+Bugzilla reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186</A>
+Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64034">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64034</A>
+
+If you had a common &quot;Edutainment&quot; menu, it could be now split to
+&quot;Education&quot; and &quot;Science&quot;.
+
+
+2) Allowed Main Categories changed:
+
+2.1) Science: All items allowed for Education before are now accepted
+for Science as well. Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64036">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64036</A>
+
+2.2) Monitor: Monitor is now accepted for System or Network. It was
+only System before. Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49699">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49699</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64044">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64044</A>
+
+
+3) There are several new Additional Categories:
+
+3.1) Spirituality: Religious and spiritual software, theology; allowed
+Main Categories: Education;Science;Utility;Game Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038</A>
+
+3.2) Humanities: Software for philosophy, psychology and other
+humanities; allowed Main Categories: Education;Science Bugzilla
+reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192</A>
+Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038</A>
+
+3.3) Maps: Sofware for viewing maps, navigation, mapping, GPS; allowed
+Main Categories: Graphics;Utility;Education;Science Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20187">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20187</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64042">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64042</A>
+
+3.4) Feed: RSS, podcast and other subscription based contents; allowed
+Main Categories: Network Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045</A>
+
+3.5) NetworkService: A generic network service not listed elsewhere;
+allowed Main Categories: Network Bugzilla reference:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197</A> Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045</A>
+
+3.6) Shooter: Shooter game; allowed Main Categories: Game
+Bugzilla reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38553">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38553</A>
+Specification Patch:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64043">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64043</A>
+
+
+--
+Best Regards / S pozdravem,
+
+Stanislav Brabec
+software developer
+---------------------------------------------------------------------
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> Some installed packages (hardware and language support) may not be
+</I>&gt;<i> needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here the option tells exactly and with no room for misunderstanding in
+</I>&gt;<i> one line what it is doing when checked or unchecked.
+</I>
+The &quot;Check to&quot; words are a bit too much, it's a checkbox, there should
+be no need to say how to interact with it.
+
+And specifying the &quot;hardware and language&quot; in the introduction sentence
+will make harder to add more items later, since it would break the
+string.
+
+How about this?
+
+Some installed packages may not be needed on your computer.
+You can remove them to save space.
+[ ] Remove unused hardware support
+[ ] Remove unused language support
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/27 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some installed packages (hardware and language support) may not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here the option tells exactly and with no room for misunderstanding in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one line what it is doing when checked or unchecked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;Check to&quot; words are a bit too much, it's a checkbox, there should
+</I>&gt;<i> be no need to say how to interact with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And specifying the &quot;hardware and language&quot; in the introduction sentence
+</I>&gt;<i> will make harder to add more items later, since it would break the
+</I>&gt;<i> string.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some installed packages may not be needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can remove them to save space.
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused language support
+</I>
+Perfect!
+
+--
+wobo
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+Shlomi Fish &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shlomif at shlomifish.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi Jerome,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for replying for the previous bug. Here is a new bug I filed now:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80420">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80420</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And here is another bug:
+
+<A HREF="https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80438">https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80438</A>
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+--
+-----------------------------------------------------------------
+Shlomi Fish <A HREF="http://www.shlomifish.org/">http://www.shlomifish.org/</A>
+&quot;Star Trek: We, the Living Dead&quot; - <A HREF="http://shlom.in/st-wtld">http://shlom.in/st-wtld</A>
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+ &#8212; Andy Lester
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+&gt;<i> I'm a packager and I also don't remember there beeing a decision.
+</I>&gt;<i> There was a lot of discussion, but no resolvement.
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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+<PRE>Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> For some time now, Thunderbird receives messages twice (Mageia 3 Alpha2,
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird 16.0.1-1, using imap): my folder display contains twice an
+</I>&gt;<i> apparently identical message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem had first looked random - some messages single, some
+</I>&gt;<i> messages duplicated. Looking closer, it appears as if this problem only
+</I>&gt;<i> - and always - happens if messages arrive while thunderbird is already
+</I>&gt;<i> running. If messages arrive while I have no active thunderbird, and when
+</I>&gt;<i> I then launch thunderbird, these messages are correctly listed as a
+</I>&gt;<i> single message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks as if this problem is between my thunderbird agent and my
+</I>&gt;<i> service provider: if I use the web-access (convergence) to access the
+</I>&gt;<i> mail kept on the server, I see the same kind of duplication /
+</I>&gt;<i> non-duplication.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does somebody see an explanation? is this problem known?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Same thing here, with mozilla seamonkey, particularly when restarting
+seamonkey.
+I think that it is due to not confirming that the first copy was
+properly received. So a second copy is sent, to assure that you do have
+a good copy of the message.
+The alternative would be missing a message from time to time.
+So I don't think that it is really a problem.
+
+BTW, I sometimes have a similar problem sending SMS messages on my
+mobile phone. It says that it is still sending a message, evidently
+because it didn't receive the confirmation. (All the usual signs except
+the beep at the end.) So to ensure that it is sent, I save the message,
+turn off/on my phone, and resend. Sometimes (but maybe not always) my
+correspondant receives 2 identical messages.
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+--
+Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Le 27/10/12 13:56,Jani V&#228;limaa nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> Another FYI. I guess this one is more important.
+</I>
+Thanks for the forward.
+How do we update our tools? I know youri checks the desktop categories
+on upload.
+I guess this is interesting as well in the context of the RPM group change.
+Cheers,
+--
+Malo
+
+&gt;<i> Begin forwarded message:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:04:47 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Stanislav Brabec &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sbrabec at suse.cz</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">xdg at lists.freedesktop.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cc: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">distributor-list at gnome.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hallo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am pleased to announce changes in Categories in the Desktop Menu
+</I>&gt;<i> Specification[1] that incorporated changes and proposals collected in
+</I>&gt;<i> last years in XDG list or Bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please update your utilities and distribution menus to accept these new
+</I>&gt;<i> Categories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#main-category-registry">http://specifications.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#main-category-registry</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> List of changes that affect applications menu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Science is now Main Category, not Additional Category.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugzilla reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64034">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64034</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you had a common &quot;Edutainment&quot; menu, it could be now split to
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Education&quot; and &quot;Science&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Allowed Main Categories changed:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.1) Science: All items allowed for Education before are now accepted
+</I>&gt;<i> for Science as well. Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64036">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64036</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2.2) Monitor: Monitor is now accepted for System or Network. It was
+</I>&gt;<i> only System before. Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49699">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49699</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64044">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64044</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) There are several new Additional Categories:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.1) Spirituality: Religious and spiritual software, theology; allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> Main Categories: Education;Science;Utility;Game Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.2) Humanities: Software for philosophy, psychology and other
+</I>&gt;<i> humanities; allowed Main Categories: Education;Science Bugzilla
+</I>&gt;<i> reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20192</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64038</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.3) Maps: Sofware for viewing maps, navigation, mapping, GPS; allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> Main Categories: Graphics;Utility;Education;Science Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20187">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20187</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64042">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64042</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.4) Feed: RSS, podcast and other subscription based contents; allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> Main Categories: Network Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.5) NetworkService: A generic network service not listed elsewhere;
+</I>&gt;<i> allowed Main Categories: Network Bugzilla reference:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20197</A> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64045</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3.6) Shooter: Shooter game; allowed Main Categories: Game
+</I>&gt;<i> Bugzilla reference: <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38553">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38553</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Specification Patch:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64043">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=64043</A>
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/27 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some installed packages (hardware and language support) may not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Check to remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here the option tells exactly and with no room for misunderstanding in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one line what it is doing when checked or unchecked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;Check to&quot; words are a bit too much, it's a checkbox, there should
+</I>&gt;<i> be no need to say how to interact with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And specifying the &quot;hardware and language&quot; in the introduction sentence
+</I>&gt;<i> will make harder to add more items later, since it would break the
+</I>&gt;<i> string.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some installed packages may not be needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can remove them to save space.
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>
+Sounds good, though now it is opt-in whereas it was opt-out up to now.
+So we should wonder, what we do want as default behaviour.
+
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">remi at verschelde.fr</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Some installed packages may not be needed on your computer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can remove them to save space.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused hardware support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ ] Remove unused language support
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds good, though now it is opt-in whereas it was opt-out up to now.
+</I>&gt;<i> So we should wonder, what we do want as default behaviour.
+</I>
+Yep, it's just a matter of default values, it should actually be the
+following:
+
+Some installed packages may not be needed on your computer.
+You can remove them to save space.
+[x] Remove unused hardware support
+[x] Remove unused language support
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Hi there,
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+I found the problem was that I didn't have my ssh-agent set, however,
+when I try to add my ssh public key
+to identity.mageia.org, I found that there is no obvious way to add an
+sshPublicKey. I think that's blocking me.
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+Also once I get that, I'll upload &quot;vassal&quot;, &quot;leocad&quot;, &quot;leocad&quot; for your
+review. Once those get in, the next package I want to get in is pyp2rpm
+which converts pypi to python specs. Once that gets in there are about
+a dozen or so python packages that can go in and a few of those are
+astronomy related which gets me to the packages that I really want to
+get into mageia.
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+On 2012&#24180;10&#26376;26&#26085; &#26143;&#26399;&#20116; 11:09 &#19979;&#21320;, Joseph Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> Thanks a lot. I tried that and I got...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">joe at big-apple</A> SRPMS]$ mgarepo import vassal-3.1.20-1.mga3.src.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> Importing package to <A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/vassal">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/vassal</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> error: svn: E170000: URL
+</I>&gt;<i> '<A HREF="svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/vassal">svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron/vassal</A>' doesn't exist
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+<PRE>Hi all,
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+The mentors are helping me get my packages uploaded, so I'm looking for
+more things to package. My background is computational astrophysics so
+there are about a dozen packages in theoretical astrophysics that I'm
+going to package for Mageia once it I get set up. However, I'm
+interested in trying to make Mageia a strong platform for astronomy.
+One thing about linux is that it unites amateur and professional
+communities in a way that isn't possible before. People doing backyard
+experiments can use image processing tools that are available to
+professional astronomers, and part of what I'd like to do is to make
+those tools more accessible.
+
+I have a background in computational astrophysics, so I know what
+packages need to be added in that area. However, I have little
+background in observational astronomy (particularly amateur astronomy)
+and also very little background in astronomy education (particularly
+k-12). So I don't know what packages need to be packaged in that area.
+For example, there are about a dozen projects on telescope control out
+there, but I need some feedback from someone who is actually trying to
+run amateur astronomy experiments so know which one I should change to
+an RPM. I'm going to start reaching out so some contacts I have in the
+astronomy community, but before I do that, I'd like to see if there are
+any astronomers (either amateur or professional) here on this list.
+
+One other thing is that Mageia is particularly well set up to work as
+platform for scientific computing. Astronomers want to do astronomy and
+not system administration, so this means that you have to have
+easy-to-use tools to set up the system, and distributions that are
+focused toward computer geeks don't work. At the same time, both
+professional and amateur astronomers don't work in a corporate business
+environment, which means that enterprise distributions also aren't set
+up for scientific computing. Mageia has I think the right structure for
+becoming the linux distribution of choice for astronomy.
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+<PRE>Le 28/10/2012 05:58, Joseph Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found the problem was that I didn't have my ssh-agent set, however,
+</I>&gt;<i> when I try to add my ssh public key
+</I>&gt;<i> to identity.mageia.org, I found that there is no obvious way to add an
+</I>&gt;<i> sshPublicKey. I think that's blocking me.
+</I>
+You have to ask for that, see
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Howto_start#Getting_your_account_upgraded_for_commit_rights">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Packagers_Howto_start#Getting_your_account_upgraded_for_commit_rights</A>
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+and a test machine installed with cauldron
+both machines are up to date (according to distrib-coffee) and are
+time-synced with fr.pool.ntp.org.
+this morning the cauldron machine is one hour in advance (and wrong).
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+Is this transient or should i open a bugzilla ticket?
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+if this help
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+on my &quot;work&quot; mga2 machine
+# rpm -qa | grep timezone
+timezone-2012c-1.mga2
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+# rpm -qa | grep timezone
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+timezone-java-2012g-1.mga3
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+&gt;<i> I have a desktop machine installed with mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> and a test machine installed with cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> both machines are up to date (according to distrib-coffee) and are
+</I>&gt;<i> time-synced with fr.pool.ntp.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> this morning the cauldron machine is one hour in advance (and wrong).
+</I>
+Well, very likely it is just that you didn't configure the proper
+timezone on that machine.
+
+&gt;<i> Is this transient or should i open a bugzilla ticket?
+</I>
+first check
+$ date
+and/or
+$ date -u
+
+on both machines.
+The -u one (UTC) should be the same on both, and the one without -u
+should display the local (i.e. in the timezone configured for the
+machine)
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> I have a desktop machine installed with mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> and a test machine installed with cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> both machines are up to date (according to distrib-coffee) and are
+</I>&gt;<i> time-synced with fr.pool.ntp.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> this morning the cauldron machine is one hour in advance (and wrong).
+</I>
+Does one system have windows installed as well?
+If so, it might have been configured automatically at install to use the
+BIOS time as local time (instead of UTC time), and depend on Windows
+handling it.
+
+You might need to reboot into Windows one time, so that it syncs again
+your BIOS time.
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+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+ <B>Barry Jackson</B>
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+<PRE>OK here's the challenge.
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+When we view rpm specs in svn using viewvc like this :-
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/acidrip/current/SPECS/acidrip.spec?view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/acidrip/current/SPECS/acidrip.spec?view=markup</A>
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+...the highlighting is incorrect, because viewvc uses pygments to
+generate the language highlighting and it sadly has no lexer for rpm
+spec files.
+
+In many cases the highlighting is totally wrong like this:-
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+<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/abiword/current/SPECS/abiword.spec?revision=304568&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/abiword/current/SPECS/abiword.spec?revision=304568&amp;view=markup</A>
+
+...as viewvc makes an incorrect assumption about the lexer needed, based
+on a parse of the first line. It's horrible.
+
+What is needed is a lexer for rpm spec files.
+
+This would not be too difficult for an experienced Python programmer as
+the building blocks are all in place within pygments :-
+
+<A HREF="http://pygments.org/docs/lexerdevelopment/">http://pygments.org/docs/lexerdevelopment/</A>
+
+If you view any spec file using the kate editor, you will see the style
+of highlighting that is needed.
+
+Not only would this benefit Mageia, but all projects using rpm and viewvc.
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+So that's the challenge - anyone up for it? :)
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+Just a quick announcement that I've enabled persistent journal logs in
+systemd.
+
+This means the journal logs for your machine will be written in
+/var/log/journal.
+
+You will now be able to use journalctl to get log information about more
+than just the current boot. You are also free to set up Forward Secure
+Sealing on the journal logs in order to detect when logs have been
+tampered with in the event of a breaking.
+
+As the journal can capture all syslog logs, systemd now also provides
+syslog-daemon. If we decide that the journal should be optional for mga3
+we will simply move the virtual provides and the ownership of the
+/var/log/journal folder to a subpackage, but for now, everyone will get
+it and see how we get on!
+
+You are now free to &quot;rpm -e rsyslog&quot; and do away with legacy logging.
+
+For more info on how to use journalctl, please read here:
+<A HREF="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journalctl.html</A>
+
+For developers who want to enable journal logging in their apps (beyond
+the simple capabilities of syslog) see here:
+<A HREF="http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html">http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/journal-submit.html</A>
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:46:04 +0100 (CET)
+tmb wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Name : kernel Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.6.4 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun Oct 28 20:39:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> 69791014 License: GPLv2 Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>
+
+Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+
+Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+
+
+ Charles
+
+--
+You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist.
+ -- Indira Gandhi
+----------------------
+Mageia release 3 (Cauldron) for x86_64$
+On SuperSize....<A HREF="http://www.eslrahc.com">http://www.eslrahc.com</A>
+Registered Linux user #182463
+3.6.3-server-1.mga3 x86_64
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
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+Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+hours than before? Is it normal?
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+Regards.
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>And, cauldron repository has been wiped......
+
+2012/10/29 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Monday 29 October 2012 08:26, Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;<i> hours than before?
+</I>
+I have had the same problem for several hours also.
+Using any of the mgarepo commands to access the server have been imposible. (co, ci, rpmlog maintdb etc.)
+
+i have also noticed that all package submitions the last 3 hours have failed.
+And they seem to be faling because they can't install the kernel, so the chroot fails.
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+--
+Johnny A. Solbu
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+<PRE>On Monday 29 October 2012 08:31, Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> And, cauldron repository has been wiped......
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+I just checked the distrib-coffee mirror to see when the last package upload was, and found that everything there is wiped as well, and i really do mean everything.
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+Heh.. Something is clearly up somewhere, or is it down? ;-)=
+I noticed something while writing this mail. The folders at distrib-coffee are empty, and are disapearing only to reappear after a few seconds and disappear and reappear.
+And round and round it goes.
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+<PRE>2012/10/29 Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 29 October 2012 08:31, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And, cauldron repository has been wiped......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked the distrib-coffee mirror to see when the last package upload was, and found that everything there is wiped as well, and i really do mean everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heh.. Something is clearly up somewhere, or is it down? ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed something while writing this mail. The folders at distrib-coffee are empty, and are disapearing only to reappear after a few seconds and disappear and reappear.
+</I>&gt;<i> And round and round it goes.
+</I>
+Concerning distrib-coffee: my mirror (mandrivauser.de) sync with
+distrib-coffee. Everything ok at 04:00 UTC, at 06:00 UTC it only
+sync'd MGA2/x86_64/core/updates - no i586 at all and no cauldron at
+all
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+<PRE>Le lundi 29 octobre 2012 08:47:46 Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday 29 October 2012 08:31, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And, cauldron repository has been wiped......
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just checked the distrib-coffee mirror to see when the last package upload
+</I>&gt;<i> was, and found that everything there is wiped as well, and i really do mean
+</I>&gt;<i> everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heh.. Something is clearly up somewhere, or is it down? ;-)=
+</I>&gt;<i> I noticed something while writing this mail. The folders at distrib-coffee
+</I>&gt;<i> are empty, and are disapearing only to reappear after a few seconds and
+</I>&gt;<i> disappear and reappear. And round and round it goes.
+</I>
+distrib-cofee seems to have a bigger issue see : <A HREF="ftp://distrib-">ftp://distrib-</A>
+coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+<PRE>On Monday 29 October 2012 09:30, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I just checked the distrib-coffee mirror to see when the last package upload
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; was, and found that everything there is wiped as well, and i really do mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everything.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> distrib-cofee seems to have a bigger issue see : <A HREF="ftp://distrib-">ftp://distrib-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/
+</I>
+Yea. That's what I was talking about regarding distrib-coffee. Every folder on the public ftp is unavailable.
+I've never experienced such a joy of refreshing the browser on an ftp server before, untill now. It was actually fun for the fist few minutes. ;-)=
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 29 octobre 2012 15:26:42 Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>
+maybe someone fixed it because here it seems OK
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+<PRE>On Monday 29 October 2012 09:36, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> maybe someone fixed it because here it seems OK
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+Now it works here too. And I see funda managed to build a package.
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 09:53:07PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:46:04 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Name : kernel Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; relocatable) Version : 3.6.4 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sun Oct 28 20:39:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hardware Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 69791014 License: GPLv2 Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packager : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+</I>
+WFM with:
+Linux bkor.dhs.org 3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3 #1 SMP Sun Oct 28 19:47:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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+Regards,
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>
+The machine was overloaded, I think I fixed the cause of it
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Olav Vitters at 29/10/12 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 09:53:07PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:46:04 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Name : kernel Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.6.4 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Oct 28 20:39:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 69791014 License: GPLv2 Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WFM with:
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux bkor.dhs.org 3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3 #1 SMP Sun Oct 28 19:47:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
+</I>
+WFM too:
+Linux jimmy 3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3 #1 SMP Sun Oct 28 19:47:04 UTC 2012
+x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
+
+
+I guess the issue will be a little bit more in-depth.
+
+Col
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 29/10/2012 09:41, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday 29 October 2012 09:36, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maybe someone fixed it because here it seems OK
+</I>&gt;<i> Now it works here too. And I see funda managed to build a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>glad it works for you!
+here is the result of an rsync a few mn ago.
+--------------------------------------
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at master</A> ~]# rsync <A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A>
+/home/mgamirror -a -H -P --delete-after -S
+ ___ ____ ____ _
+|<i>_ _| | _ \ / ___| | |
+</I> | | | |_) | \___ \ | |
+ | | | __/ ___) | | |___
+|<i>___| |_| |____/ |_____|
+</I>
+Institut Pierre Simon Laplace
+<A HREF="http://www.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://www.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+
+Please have a look at <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+
+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olivier.thauvin at aero.jussieu.fr</A>&gt;
+Your favorite sys admin.
+
+2008/03/23: ftp ls -R is now disabled
+
+receiving file list ...
+1 file to consider
+skipping non-regular file &quot;.&quot;
+
+sent 28 bytes received 432 bytes 306.67 bytes/sec
+total size is 0 speedup is 0.00
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at master</A> ~]#
+
+--------------------------------------
+ouch!*
+1 file to consider!!!! ?*
+
+JPB
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+ <B>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil</B>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 29 octobre 2012 11:38:48 jpbfree a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 29/10/2012 09:41, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday 29 October 2012 09:36, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; maybe someone fixed it because here it seems OK
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now it works here too. And I see funda managed to build a package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> glad it works for you!
+</I>&gt;<i> here is the result of an rsync a few mn ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at master</A> ~]# rsync <A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/mgamirror -a -H -P --delete-after -S
+</I>&gt;<i> ___ ____ ____ _
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> |_ _| | _ \ / ___| | |
+</I>&gt;<i> |
+</I>&gt;<i> | | | |_) | \___ \ | |
+</I>&gt;<i> | | | |
+</I>&gt;<i> | | | __/ ___) | | |___
+</I>&gt;<i> |
+</I>&gt;<i> |___| |_| |____/ |_____|
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Institut Pierre Simon Laplace
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://www.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please have a look at <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olivier.thauvin at aero.jussieu.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Your favorite sys admin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2008/03/23: ftp ls -R is now disabled
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> receiving file list ...
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 file to consider
+</I>&gt;<i> skipping non-regular file &quot;.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sent 28 bytes received 432 bytes 306.67 bytes/sec
+</I>&gt;<i> total size is 0 speedup is 0.00
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at master</A> ~]#
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> ouch!*
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 file to consider!!!! ?*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> JPB
+</I>
+Yes but as told distrib-coffee seems to have a pb but not only with mageia see
+:<i> <A HREF="ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/">ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/</A>
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+<PRE>On 10/29/2012 06:40 AM, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yes but as told distrib-coffee seems to have a pb but not only with mageia see
+</I>&gt;<i> : <A HREF="ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/">ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just a reminder, if you normally mirror from distrib-coffee using rsync
+--delete, you probably don't want to do that until it's fully restored.
+Otherwise, you'll be burning a lot of bandwidth.
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Hello list.
+
+I'm trying to port febootstrap to mageia (I need libguestfs, and it's a
+mandatory dependency). I need to be able to resolve dependencies and
+download packages, without root privileges. I see two solutions here:
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+1) use 'urpmq --requires-recursive --sources' first to get the list of
+packages, then check against already installed packages, then use
+another tool (curl, wget, whatever) to download the missing ones.
+
+2) modify urpmi to allow it to be used without root privileges to just
+download files.
+
+I'm currently trying to achieve solution 2. The attached patch relax the
+process uid check when --no-install option is used, provided an explicit
+download directory is used, through --download-all option. However, I'm
+facing multiple issues here:
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+- first, --download-all doesn't just change download-directory, its main
+effect is to change urpmi behaviour from interleaved download/install
+steps to download everything first. It doesn't matter very much here,
+but distinct --download-all and --download-dir options would have been a
+clearer interface.
+
+- second, --noclean seems to be useless when using something an
+alternative download directory
+
+- last, the default downloader (aria, I presume) doesn't specify which
+files it is currently downloading, meaning I'll have to post-process
+download directory to retrieve the list of packages, whereas I'd
+prefered to just parse urpmi output. I had to use --downloader wget to
+get a more verbose output.
+
+urpmi maintainer(s) opinion welcome here.
+--
+BOFH excuse #268:
+
+Neutrino overload on the nameserver
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/29 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 06:40 AM, Nicolas L&#233;cureuil wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes but as told distrib-coffee seems to have a pb but not only with mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> : <A HREF="ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/">ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a reminder, if you normally mirror from distrib-coffee using rsync
+</I>&gt;<i> --delete, you probably don't want to do that until it's fully restored.
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise, you'll be burning a lot of bandwidth.
+</I>
+No, not really. We sync with distrib-coffee but we do not get as far
+as the -delete option could do any damage:
+But putting rsync on hold until the situation is cleared up is
+certainly a good idea.
+
+1 Minute ago distrib-coffee answered to our sync request:
+-------
+receiving incremental file list
+rsync: change_dir &quot;/linux/Mageia&quot; (in pub) failed: No such file or directory (2)
+...............
+
+I checked, all our Mageia branches with all packages are still here! :)
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+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>On 10/29/2012 08:06 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> No, not really. We sync with distrib-coffee but we do not get as far
+</I>&gt;<i> as the -delete option could do any damage: But putting rsync on hold
+</I>&gt;<i> until the situation is cleared up is certainly a good idea. 1 Minute
+</I>&gt;<i> ago distrib-coffee answered to our sync request: ------- receiving
+</I>&gt;<i> incremental file list rsync: change_dir &quot;/linux/Mageia&quot; (in pub)
+</I>&gt;<i> failed: No such file or directory (2) ............... I checked, all
+</I>&gt;<i> our Mageia branches with all packages are still here! :)
+</I>Yes, rsync at the moment aborts because of missing directories. The
+danger will come as the directories get restored and are virtually
+empty, because rsync --delete will blow away all of the taget directory
+files that don't exist in the source.
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+<PRE>29.10.2012 14:50, Frank Griffin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 08:06 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, not really. We sync with distrib-coffee but we do not get as far
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as the -delete option could do any damage: But putting rsync on hold
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> until the situation is cleared up is certainly a good idea. 1 Minute
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ago distrib-coffee answered to our sync request: ------- receiving
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> incremental file list rsync: change_dir &quot;/linux/Mageia&quot; (in pub)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> failed: No such file or directory (2) ............... I checked, all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our Mageia branches with all packages are still here! :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, rsync at the moment aborts because of missing directories. The
+</I>&gt;<i> danger will come as the directories get restored and are virtually
+</I>&gt;<i> empty, because rsync --delete will blow away all of the taget
+</I>&gt;<i> directory files that don't exist in the source.
+</I>I hope they are smart enough to first turn off rsync, then resync
+everything and reenable rsync again.
+
+--
+Sander
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/29 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 08:06 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, not really. We sync with distrib-coffee but we do not get as far as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the -delete option could do any damage: But putting rsync on hold until the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> situation is cleared up is certainly a good idea. 1 Minute ago
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distrib-coffee answered to our sync request: ------- receiving incremental
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> file list rsync: change_dir &quot;/linux/Mageia&quot; (in pub) failed: No such file or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> directory (2) ............... I checked, all our Mageia branches with all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages are still here! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, rsync at the moment aborts because of missing directories. The danger
+</I>&gt;<i> will come as the directories get restored and are virtually empty, because
+</I>&gt;<i> rsync --delete will blow away all of the taget directory files that don't
+</I>&gt;<i> exist in the source.
+</I>
+Yes :)
+
+For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+close down at December 2012. :(
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+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+</I>&gt;<i> close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>
+Oh no! I liked that mirror - waaaay faster than d-c but still regularly
+updated. I will miss it!
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+Col
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+<PRE>29.10.2012 15:52, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh no! I liked that mirror - waaaay faster than d-c but still regularly
+</I>&gt;<i> updated. I will miss it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd suggest to switch to mirror,kernel.org as their distributed infra is
+capable of handling big loads :)
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+<PRE>2012/10/29 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh no! I liked that mirror - waaaay faster than d-c but still regularly
+</I>&gt;<i> updated. I will miss it!
+</I>
+Yes, I liked it too. :)
+I will not make a big fuss about it but the main reason was set when
+we (the German users) decided to let Mageia host our German forum. As
+mandrivauser.de &quot;lost&quot; almost all active people to Mageia (people like
+obgr_seneca, doktor5000, and many more) and Mandriva 2011 did not
+generate new users, due to the bad reception of the release, the forum
+and production came to a screeching halt. Makes no sense to run a
+server with a yearly cost of 500+ Euros in this situation.
+
+We may have come around better if in 2011 we decided to run the German
+Mageia forum on our own server instead of the Mageia server (also for
+other reasons, as it turned out). So I'm part of the cause, made a
+wrong decision then.
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+<PRE>29.10.2012 11:03, Pascal Terjan skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The machine was overloaded, I think I fixed the cause of it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Let me guess, rpmlint got stuck on kernel -debug packages and filled up /tmp
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+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 29.10.2012 11:03, Pascal Terjan skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The machine was overloaded, I think I fixed the cause of it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me guess, rpmlint got stuck on kernel -debug packages and filled up /tmp
+</I>
+Actually no, and it was my fault (and I now know why we had plenty of rpmlint)
+There is a workaround for the upload bug (x86_64 not getting uploaded)
+running in cron to upload the leftovers
+It did not have a lock, and when uploading some missing kernel
+packages took a long time, it started uploading them again in
+parallel, slowing things even more meaning that in 6 hours it had not
+managed to finish the first upload
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
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+ <I>Mon Oct 29 15:41:35 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Monday 29 October 2012 14:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> mirror mandrivauser.de will close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>
+Sorry to hear that.
+Some of the packages I've packaged for Mageia and Mandriva the last few months came from that server. You have some packages that aren't in Mandriva or Mageia.
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+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+<PRE>On 29 October 2012 13:03, Guillaume Rousse &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm trying to port febootstrap to mageia (I need libguestfs, and it's a
+</I>&gt;<i> mandatory dependency). I need to be able to resolve dependencies and
+</I>&gt;<i> download packages, without root privileges. I see two solutions here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) use 'urpmq --requires-recursive --sources' first to get the list of
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, then check against already installed packages, then use another
+</I>&gt;<i> tool (curl, wget, whatever) to download the missing ones.
+</I>
+Which would mean reinventing urpmi logic for computing full URIs :-(
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+&gt;<i> 2) modify urpmi to allow it to be used without root privileges to just
+</I>&gt;<i> download files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm currently trying to achieve solution 2. The attached patch relax the
+</I>&gt;<i> process uid check when --no-install option is used, provided an explicit
+</I>&gt;<i> download directory is used, through --download-all option. However, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> facing multiple issues here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - first, --download-all doesn't just change download-directory, its main
+</I>&gt;<i> effect is to change urpmi behaviour from interleaved download/install steps
+</I>&gt;<i> to download everything first. It doesn't matter very much here, but distinct
+</I>&gt;<i> --download-all and --download-dir options would have been a clearer
+</I>&gt;<i> interface.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - second, --noclean seems to be useless when using something an alternative
+</I>&gt;<i> download directory
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - last, the default downloader (aria, I presume) doesn't specify which files
+</I>&gt;<i> it is currently downloading, meaning I'll have to post-process download
+</I>&gt;<i> directory to retrieve the list of packages, whereas I'd prefered to just
+</I>&gt;<i> parse urpmi output. I had to use --downloader wget to get a more verbose
+</I>&gt;<i> output.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi maintainer(s) opinion welcome here.
+</I>
+This is not the right approach.
+What's more the download-all packages only affect downloading packages before
+transactions, and is restricted to urpm::main_loop.
+
+I would just add a download-dir option the attached patch way (untested),
+and not warn if no-install is used (second (untested) patch).
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+Together with --no-install, it's what you want.
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+ <B>Richard Couture</B>
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+<PRE>I have the same problem at ftp.linuxcabal.org when we get new ISOs. I
+have to sometimes kill cron and get the ISOs manually if I want to
+continue updating every hour.
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+
+On 10/29/2012 08:37 AM, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Thomas Backlund&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 29.10.2012 11:03, Pascal Terjan skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Funda Wang&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Did anybody notice that accessing svn.mageia.org is much slower for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hours than before? Is it normal?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The machine was overloaded, I think I fixed the cause of it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let me guess, rpmlint got stuck on kernel -debug packages and filled up /tmp
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually no, and it was my fault (and I now know why we had plenty of rpmlint)
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a workaround for the upload bug (x86_64 not getting uploaded)
+</I>&gt;<i> running in cron to upload the leftovers
+</I>&gt;<i> It did not have a lock, and when uploading some missing kernel
+</I>&gt;<i> packages took a long time, it started uploading them again in
+</I>&gt;<i> parallel, slowing things even more meaning that in 6 hours it had not
+</I>&gt;<i> managed to finish the first upload
+</I>
+--
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+<PRE>I was looking around to figure out how to enable XDMCP support in GDM,
+and noticed something strange.
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+In the GNOME site GDM3 documentation, they give several options for GDM
+configuration none of which seem to exist in cauldron.
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+An example is given of using gconf-edit to access apps/gdm, but no such
+key exists. Mention is made of using a &quot;gdm3setup&quot; executable that we
+don't seem to have.
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+Mention is made of &quot;gdm&quot; directories in various locations under
+/usr/share and /etc which we don't seem to have, and of enabling XDMCP
+by setting &quot;Enable=true&quot; in a file called daemon.conf, but the only
+daemon.conf we have is in /etc/pulse.
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+I did find /usr/share/X11/dm.d/20gdm.conf and
+/etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf, but neither of these seem to have
+anything to do with XDMCP.
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+I did find a barebones /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf which had an empty
+[Xdmcp] section, but adding Enable=true here had no effect on getting
+the GDM main dropdown to show a Remote Login option. It did, however,
+get the GDM server to export the host as eligible for XDMCP, and accept
+a logon. However, the GDM screen it puts up has no option to close the
+connection, or anything else indicating that it is a remote login.
+
+What do we do in MGA to enable GDM as an XDMCP client, or configure it
+in general ?
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+connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+
+Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+the usual way?
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+<PRE>Le 29/10/2012 16:00, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Together with --no-install, it's what you want.
+</I>Indeed, excepted for two issues:
+- it won't warn the user about the unability to write into
+/var/cache/urpmi/rpms until the download start
+- it won't solve the 'you have to guess what I actually did' issue :/
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+Could we have some kind of non-interactive, easy-to-parse,
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+--
+BOFH excuse #344:
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+Network failure - call NBC
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+ <B>Anne Wilson</B>
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+<PRE>Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my wireless
+connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+
+Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+the usual way?
+
+Anne
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+ <B>Christiaan Welvaart</B>
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+&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello list.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The case of faac package has been discussed several times already:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1730</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-dev@mageia.org/msg08059.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/2012-June/016673.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So far, the conclusion was than we had no perfect solution to handle the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> case of a software being having both licensing and patents issue,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whereas usually software only suffer from one of these problems only,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and than creating a dedicated 4th repository was unreasonable. Hence the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removal of the package from the mirrors (but not from our svn...).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> unfortunately ...
+</I>&gt;<i> three weeks after the last post on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> a long silence
+</I>
+The problem is the following:
+
+1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+
+so we only have 2 options:
+A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+ or another one that can go into tainted
+B. add a special repository for faac
+
+I prefer option A and I patched a gstreamer based video encoding app to
+use vo-aacenc instead of faac a while ago.
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+ <B>AL13N</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?">alien at rmail.be
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+<PRE>Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 19:52:47 schreef Anne Wilson:
+&gt;<i> Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+</I>&gt;<i> report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+</I>&gt;<i> immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+</I>&gt;<i> was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+</I>&gt;<i> the usual way?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+i saw your previous email too (gmail not showing your own messages is a bitch)
+
+i think it's normal, it could be just between syncs that you updated, and it
+could also be that repository problem that seems to have happened...
+
+i just think that instead of MCC, if you done an update then, that it would
+have had the same effect.
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+ <B>Anne Nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>You may be aware that there have been some inter-personal issues,
+which have resulted
+in two prominent Mageia contributors suspending their contributions to
+our community for an unknown period.
+
+We wish to remind members of all teams of the following steps to try
+and prevent disputes getting out of hand.
+
+1. Please review the &quot;Code of Conduct&quot;
+
+ <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/code-of-conduct/</A>
+
+ In addition, please keep in mind, that with text only communications,
+emotions such
+ as sarcasm, or humour, do not always carry across their intended meaning.
+ Please be careful in how things are worded, to avoid saying things
+that might be interpreted as an insult or an attack.
+
+ Always try to assume the other person has good intentions, and is
+trying to help the project.
+
+ Be aware that the person reading a message may not have the same
+understanding of the grammar or syntax
+ of the language it is written in (Often English is being written by
+non-native speakers and may be understood quite differently by another
+non-native speaker from a different region or country)
+
+2. Please be aware that the Council and Board are always available
+(Please ask your team leader for details) and can help to mediate in
+the case of personal
+ differences or team disputes. Please don't let issues reach a stage
+where such mediation cannot help.
+
+3 Team leaders should be constantly aware of the possiblity of
+differences becoming an issue or a threat to the team and ultimately
+to the success of our community and must inform the Council/Board if
+they see a conflict developing.
+
+4. Board members need to inform other board members of any conflict
+arising, of progress and hopefully of resolution
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:46:04 +0100 (CET)
+</I>&gt;<i> tmb wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Name : kernel Relocations: (not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> relocatable) Version : 3.6.4 Vendor:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.Org Release : 1.mga3 Build Date:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sun Oct 28 20:39:16 2012 Install Date: (not installed)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Build Host: jonund.mageia.org Group : System/Kernel and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hardware Source RPM: (none) Size :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 69791014 License: GPLv2 Signature : (none)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packager : tmb &lt;tmb&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+</I>
+If you revert this one:
+<A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6</A>
+
+Does it boot properly then ?
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+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+</I>&gt;<i> report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+</I>&gt;<i> immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+</I>&gt;<i> was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+</I>&gt;<i> the usual way?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I suppose you did the first install with non-free media. Kernel brings
+an open-source driver for some Broadcom cards.
+
+ldetect list still prefers the closed source driver, so mcc ask it's
+install.
+
+The open-source driver has still big problems on my laptop, so I think
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+ <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>2012/10/29 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so we only have 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> or another one that can go into tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> B. add a special repository for faac
+</I>
+Looking at the history if the discussion (and especially this thread),
+it seems that a third option was clearly stated and approved by a few
+contributors:
+
+C. Change the definition of the Tainted repository to open it to
+non-free software.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer option A and I patched a gstreamer based video encoding app to use
+</I>&gt;<i> vo-aacenc instead of faac a while ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>
+Regards,
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 22:19:04 schreef R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/29 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem is the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so we only have 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or another one that can go into tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; B. add a special repository for faac
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking at the history if the discussion (and especially this thread),
+</I>&gt;<i> it seems that a third option was clearly stated and approved by a few
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. Change the definition of the Tainted repository to open it to
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free software.
+</I>
+D. Change the definition of the Nonfree repository to open it to tainted
+software.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>AL13N wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 22:19:04 schreef R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/10/29 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The problem is the following:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; so we only have 2 options:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; or another one that can go into tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; B. add a special repository for faac
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking at the history if the discussion (and especially this thread),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it seems that a third option was clearly stated and approved by a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributors:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C. Change the definition of the Tainted repository to open it to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. Change the definition of the Nonfree repository to open it to tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>
+(D) Already stated to be not an option. Then some mirrors couldn't (or at least shouldn't) mirror nonfree, which would be a big
+inconvenience to its users. Not having tainted, or faac, is not as big of a deal.
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+</I>&gt;<i> D. Change the definition of the Nonfree repository to open it to tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>
+No, because, as far as I understand, tainted might mean illegal in some
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+<PRE>Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 22:34:19 schreef AL13N:
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 22:19:04 schreef R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/10/29 Christiaan Welvaart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The problem is the following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; so we only have 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; or another one that can go into tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; B. add a special repository for faac
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Looking at the history if the discussion (and especially this thread),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it seems that a third option was clearly stated and approved by a few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contributors:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; C. Change the definition of the Tainted repository to open it to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; non-free software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. Change the definition of the Nonfree repository to open it to tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>
+guys, i'm just giving all the options here, whatever is possible or isn't
+possible.
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+I don't care either way.
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+&gt;<i> I suppose you did the first install with non-free media. Kernel brings an
+</I>&gt;<i> open-source driver for some Broadcom cards.
+</I>
+ I also am having problems with Mageia-3-Alpha2 wireless (though no
+problem with Mageia-2). See:
+ <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7844">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7844</A>
+
+(It finds the correct (and only) SSID, but fails to connect, whereas
+Mageia-2 connects solidly.)
+
+I would appreciate any guidance as to whch repositories to use (or not
+use) and/or configuration procedure, to get wireless working, and am
+prepared to re-install if necssary.
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+ (Retired in Surrey, UK)
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> The problem is the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. faac cannot go into main (see 2 &amp; 3)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. faac cannot go into tainted (it is not free software)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. faac cannot go into nonfree (patented in some countries)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so we only have 2 options:
+</I>&gt;<i> A. ban faac and use the AAC encoder(s) we already have in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> or another one that can go into tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> B. add a special repository for faac
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer option A and I patched a gstreamer based video encoding app
+</I>&gt;<i> to use vo-aacenc instead of faac a while ago.
+</I>
+I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+updates/testing/backports/debug brothers).
+
+See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A> for a list of packages
+needing faac.
+
+Yes, that's overkill, it will clutter the urpmi media config UI, but
+that's the only clean way we have.
+
+I guess a simple way to unclutter the drakrpm-edit-media UI would be to
+add a drop-down menu to select between &quot;Release + Updates&quot; (default and
+most commonly used media), &quot;Updates Testing&quot;, &quot;Backports&quot; (whenever it
+gets in), and &quot;Debug&quot; (for debug packages of all aforementioned groups).
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+almost using the same words in their arguments. Is this really needed?
+
+There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options
+now:
+1. act according to the consensus (as it should be at Mageia)
+2. discuss it again in 6 months with the same words and arguments - we
+could even copy and paste the mail contents. As long as there is a
+solution for the users available at blogdrake we have all the time in
+the world.
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+Sorry if it is too offending for one or the other if I call this
+procedure &quot;ridiculous&quot;.
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well.
+</I>
+The consensus was maybe not so clear then.
+
+&gt;<i> Sorry if it is too offending for one or the other if I call this
+</I>&gt;<i> procedure &quot;ridiculous&quot;.
+</I>
+Where do you see a procedure here? :-)
+Offer one if you think that's needed.
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+It could be up to the council or board to chose the lesser evil between:
+- picking tainted for non-free + tainted packages like faac, and thus
+ forbid mirroring tainted packages that are only free-software
+ (but maybe that's the hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' from Guillaume)
+- adding a new nonfree-tainted repository, just for faac for now,
+ despite the relative media clutter that it would add, but for the sake
+ of clear definitions of the media content
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+&gt;<i> I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/testing/backports/debug brothers).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Yes, that's overkill, it will clutter the urpmi media config UI, but
+</I>&gt;<i> that's the only clean way we have.
+</I>
+And it's a way that satisfy most, if not all users. Including me.
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+My only issue here is that we shouldn't start having nonfree software in the same repo as Free software. If that means having two non-free repo's where one is tainted, then so be it.
+It's more important to do things right, than to compromize on our long standing values and murk the waters.
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+&gt;<i> Nice to see that everyone went back to Start with this discussion,
+</I>&gt;<i> almost using the same words in their arguments. Is this really needed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options
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+Each package in non-free must be inspected case-by-case to know if it can
+be distributed/used, but their licenses are valid world-wide (because
+copyright is pretty much universally accepted). The packages in tainted
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+&gt;<i> I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/testing/backports/debug brothers). See
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A> for a list of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> needing faac. Yes, that's overkill, it will clutter the urpmi media
+</I>&gt;<i> config UI, but that's the only clean way we have. I guess a simple way
+</I>&gt;<i> to unclutter the drakrpm-edit-media UI would be to add a drop-down
+</I>&gt;<i> menu to select between &quot;Release + Updates&quot; (default and most commonly
+</I>&gt;<i> used media), &quot;Updates Testing&quot;, &quot;Backports&quot; (whenever it gets in), and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Debug&quot; (for debug packages of all aforementioned groups).
+</I>I don't know what's involved in this, but it is certainly the optimal
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+<PRE>2012/10/30 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The consensus was maybe not so clear then.
+</I>
+Maybe not so clear for those whose opinion differs from the consensus,
+understandable. I did not write about a consensus as first one, it has
+been written repeatedly by others.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry if it is too offending for one or the other if I call this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> procedure &quot;ridiculous&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where do you see a procedure here? :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> Offer one if you think that's needed.
+</I>
+Ah, in case you have missed all those mails in the devel list:
+1. The issue was brought to the attention of the people, including the
+developers.
+2. The issue has been discussed at length including mantra-like repetitions.
+3. Several people suggested the same solution (we did not start a poll
+but to me it looked like a large part of the participants of the
+discussion). If I am wrong here then all others who saw it like me are
+wrong as well
+4. All it needed now was action according to that consensus.
+
+This is what I call a procedure and how issues have been treated many
+times. May be your definition is different.
+
+After the discussion reached this state everybody waited for action,
+which may have ver well have been delayed because of other more
+important work. That was the subject/contents of the opening mail and
+first answers of this thread. Until somebody started to open the
+discussion again.
+
+Another option would have been to bring the issue to the council after
+the first discussion ended but I haven't yet read any mail about such
+a move during the months since then.
+Is that what you were waiting for?
+
+&gt;<i> It could be up to the council or board to chose the lesser evil between:
+</I>&gt;<i> - picking tainted for non-free + tainted packages like faac, and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> forbid mirroring tainted packages that are only free-software
+</I>&gt;<i> (but maybe that's the hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' from Guillaume)
+</I>
+yes, you've been calling those existing mirror maintainers
+&quot;hypothetical&quot; before. Very good argument. If I don't like something I
+just pretend it isn't there.
+
+Anyhow, I said my opinion in the first thread including the reasons
+behind my opinion. The outcome of this is not so interesting (I could
+use the blogdrake solution any time), I'm ok with any decision or
+consensus. But it is the way this issue is handled which I criticise.
+
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 30 October 2012 02:11, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/30 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tainted as has been said in this thread as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The consensus was maybe not so clear then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe not so clear for those whose opinion differs from the consensus,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable. I did not write about a consensus as first one, it has
+</I>&gt;<i> been written repeatedly by others.
+</I>
+Perhaps there is beneficial for the community to establish, what is a &#171;concensus&#187; and how is it reached?
+No, really.
+I am starting to think that what I think it means, means something else to other people. Perhaps there is a cultral difference in play.
+I understand it to man that a desition is reached by seeking concent from all parties. Where not everyone agree with the choice. but agree to abide by it.
+
+If my understanding is correct, there is no concensus yet, because not everyone accept the solution proposed by the majority.
+And everyone doesn't seem to agree or know how one decides what the concensus is.
+... Unless I missed something, which I might have :-)=
+
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+<PRE>Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nice to see that everyone went back to Start with this discussion,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> almost using the same words in their arguments. Is this really needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Each package in non-free must be inspected case-by-case to know if it
+</I>&gt;<i> can be distributed/used, but their licenses are valid world-wide
+</I>&gt;<i> (because copyright is pretty much universally accepted). The packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted can all be used/distributed *if* patents on software are not
+</I>&gt;<i> considered valid in the country where the user/mirror resides. Do you
+</I>&gt;<i> really want to mix those two?
+</I>
+Don't quite follow the logic, but maybe I misunderstand your point.
+
+A package qualifies for nonfree if it is not open source (for whatever
+reason) and there are no restrictions on its' redistribution, world-wide.
+All official mirrors are required to carry nonfree repos, as well as core.
+
+If there is some constraint on the redistribution of a package in some
+countries, such as patent claims or encryption technology used or
+whatever, mirrors in affected countries may reasonably want to avoid
+carrying such packages.
+For this reason, we created the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, which are optional for
+official mirrors.
+However we added the additional restriction that packages in tainted
+must also be open source, to satisfy those that don't want to install
+non-free packages.
+
+If we want to continue this additional restriction, we would have to
+create another set of repos for packages that are both constrained
+(tainted) and non-free, in order to carry such packages.
+However there are very few packages that meet this restriction. Also
+the tainted repos contain relatively few packages, compared with core
+and nonfree.
+
+We could have used another approach.
+We could use a tag in the package name, or some other method, to clearly
+indicate that the package in question is non-free.
+Thus making it easier for those who wish to avoid non-free at all costs,
+to avoid installing non-free packages in the tainted repo.
+(But it still wouldn't remove non-free parts of the kernel.)
+
+Note that packages in the tainted repos aren't distributed on iso, so
+that a user wanting tainted packages would have to download such
+packages from the net. And thus such a user could even avoid having
+(uninstalled) tainted non-free packages on their computer.
+
+In sum, I agree with the proposal of this thread to allow non-free
+packages in tainted repos.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you revert this one:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Does it boot properly then ?
+</I>
+
+Are you sure that is the correct commit?
+
+It dealt with memory holes above 4GB
+(arch/x86/kernel/setup.c) and the commit was not included
+in the linux-3.6.tar.xz from the 3.6.4 src rpm.
+
+Just to clarify my back screen error...
+When attempting to boot any of the mga 3.6.4 kernels
+I get
+&quot;Decompressing Linux ... Parsing ELF ... done&quot;
+&quot;Booting the kernel&quot;
+&quot;-&quot;
+
+and it hangs there with the flashing prompt.
+
+
+ Charles
+
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+--
+Chance is perhaps the work of God when He did not want to sign.
+ -- Anatole France
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:38:06 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Booting this kernel all I get is a black screen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Same occurs if I try to boot linus-3.6.4.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Server-3.6.3 still boots normally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you revert this one:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6">http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=commit;h=54ce8ce298f382a06186cb4672ad6aa090b050b6</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Does it boot properly then ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you sure that is the correct commit?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It dealt with memory holes above 4GB
+</I>&gt;<i> (arch/x86/kernel/setup.c) and the commit was not included
+</I>&gt;<i> in the linux-3.6.tar.xz from the 3.6.4 src rpm.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Yep.
+
+Turns out it did more than the commit message states,
+it caused regressions with a misdetection of memory on some systems,
+rendering them unbootable...
+
+There is atleast 3 fixes for the issues this patch created queued in the
+upcoming 3.6.5...
+
+
+&gt;<i> Just to clarify my back screen error...
+</I>&gt;<i> When attempting to boot any of the mga 3.6.4 kernels
+</I>&gt;<i> I get
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Decompressing Linux ... Parsing ELF ... done&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Booting the kernel&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;-&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and it hangs there with the flashing prompt.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course the bug could be another one too, but that one was the first
+that came to mind....
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nice to see that everyone went back to Start with this discussion,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> almost using the same words in their arguments. Is this really needed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Each package in non-free must be inspected case-by-case to know if it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can be distributed/used, but their licenses are valid world-wide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (because copyright is pretty much universally accepted). The packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted can all be used/distributed *if* patents on software are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> considered valid in the country where the user/mirror resides. Do you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really want to mix those two?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't quite follow the logic, but maybe I misunderstand your point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A package qualifies for nonfree if it is not open source (for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> reason) and there are no restrictions on its' redistribution, world-wide.
+</I>&gt;<i> All official mirrors are required to carry nonfree repos, as well as core.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is some constraint on the redistribution of a package in some
+</I>&gt;<i> countries, such as patent claims or encryption technology used or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever, mirrors in affected countries may reasonably want to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> carrying such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> For this reason, we created the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, which are optional for
+</I>&gt;<i> official mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> However we added the additional restriction that packages in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> must also be open source, to satisfy those that don't want to install
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we want to continue this additional restriction, we would have to
+</I>&gt;<i> create another set of repos for packages that are both constrained
+</I>&gt;<i> (tainted) and non-free, in order to carry such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> However there are very few packages that meet this restriction. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> the tainted repos contain relatively few packages, compared with core
+</I>&gt;<i> and nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have used another approach.
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use a tag in the package name, or some other method, to clearly
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate that the package in question is non-free.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thus making it easier for those who wish to avoid non-free at all costs,
+</I>&gt;<i> to avoid installing non-free packages in the tainted repo.
+</I>&gt;<i> (But it still wouldn't remove non-free parts of the kernel.)
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that packages in the tainted repos aren't distributed on iso, so
+</I>&gt;<i> that a user wanting tainted packages would have to download such
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from the net. And thus such a user could even avoid having
+</I>&gt;<i> (uninstalled) tainted non-free packages on their computer.
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In sum, I agree with the proposal of this thread to allow non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> packages in tainted repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The problem :
+In Tainted repo we can find now vlc-tainted, gstreamer-tainted,
+mencoder-tainted... they are free indeed (because built without faac)
+
+but what to do if we want to build them with faac : they are always
+tainted but become non-free too !
+
+For instance, with vlc (it's the same for mplayer or others) :
+
+1) is it possible to have two versions of the same package in the same
+repo ?
+a vlc-free-tainted one (built with mp3 codec without faac) for strict
+opensource users
+and a vlc-nonfree-tainted one (built with mp3 decoder with faac) for
+ordinary users, with an information for strict opensource users to avoid it
+
+2) or must we choose one version ... and then who will be satisfied
+only vlc-free-tainted (strict opensource users will be happy but other
+ordinary users can't work on aac files)
+only vlc-nonfree-tainted (everybody is happy except the strict
+opensource users that can no more even hear mp3 files with vlc...)
+
+If we can't satisfy everybody, we have to choose who must be satisfied,
+and why !...
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> If there is some constraint on the redistribution of a package in some
+</I>&gt;<i> countries, such as patent claims or encryption technology used or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever, mirrors in affected countries may reasonably want to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> carrying such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> For this reason, we created the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, which are optional for
+</I>&gt;<i> official mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> However we added the additional restriction that packages in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> must also be open source, to satisfy those that don't want to install
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we want to continue this additional restriction, we would have to
+</I>&gt;<i> create another set of repos for packages that are both constrained
+</I>&gt;<i> (tainted) and non-free, in order to carry such packages.
+</I>
+The problem of including nonfree spftware in tainted, is that it no longer is a Free software repo in countries that don't accept software patents.
+
+Nonfree software belongs in a nonfree tree. If we need to create a new repo for them, so be it. That is the right thing to do.
+No one said that the right thing to do would be easy. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> However there are very few packages that meet this restriction. Also
+</I>&gt;<i> the tainted repos contain relatively few packages, compared with core
+</I>&gt;<i> and nonfree.
+</I>
+What has that got to do with anything?
+Either a package is Free and open source software, or it is not. wether it belongs in the majority or a tiny minority is not the issue.
+The issue at stake is our Freedom.
+
+I happens to live in a country where the packages in tainted is Free software in every sense of the word. And I don't believe that I'm the only one that is.
+Tainted is a convenience for those that live in a country that have software patents, not the otherway around. Don't clutter the water for those of us where tainted still is a Free software repo.
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:11:52 +0100, zezinho wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> use) and/or configuration procedure, to get wireless working, and am
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+<PRE>PhilippeDidier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> andre999 a &#233;crit :
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In sum, I agree with the proposal of this thread to allow non-free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages in tainted repos.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem :
+</I>&gt;<i> In Tainted repo we can find now vlc-tainted, gstreamer-tainted,
+</I>&gt;<i> mencoder-tainted... they are free indeed (because built without faac)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but what to do if we want to build them with faac : they are always
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted but become non-free too !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For instance, with vlc (it's the same for mplayer or others) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) is it possible to have two versions of the same package in the same
+</I>&gt;<i> repo ?
+</I>&gt;<i> a vlc-free-tainted one (built with mp3 codec without faac) for strict
+</I>&gt;<i> opensource users
+</I>&gt;<i> and a vlc-nonfree-tainted one (built with mp3 decoder with faac) for
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary users, with an information for strict opensource users to avoid it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) or must we choose one version ... and then who will be satisfied
+</I>&gt;<i> only vlc-free-tainted (strict opensource users will be happy but other
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary users can't work on aac files)
+</I>&gt;<i> only vlc-nonfree-tainted (everybody is happy except the strict
+</I>&gt;<i> opensource users that can no more even hear mp3 files with vlc...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please note : Whatever the repo, if there are 2 almost identical
+packages, whatever the difference, they have to have different names, or
+one would replace the other.
+So we could theoretically use only one set of repos, without changing
+any package names. (Not that I recommend it.)
+That would probably make it trickier to ensure that free/open source
+packages without distribution constraints don't contain non-free or
+contrained dependancies, as well as more confusing for users, but that
+doesn't affect the package names.
+
+Currently you might notice that some packages in tainted contain
+&quot;tainted&quot; after mga* (in the revision part of the full package name),
+and with a corresponding package in core with the same name except
+without the word &quot;tainted&quot;. That is one way to deal with packages
+with/without tainted components.
+Something similar has been done in a few cases to distinguish
+free/nonfree versions of a package.
+
+Personnally, I would favour putting &quot;tainted&quot; or &quot;nonfree&quot; (or rather an
+abbreviated form, say &quot;[nf]&quot; or &quot;[tnt]&quot;) at the end of the main part of
+the package name.
+(We could even do this for those packages without free/nonfree or
+free/tainted versions.)
+By putting this in the main part of the package name, there will never
+be something like a tainted package replacing a core package during
+updates, which can happen now. We could use the provides keyword to
+allow the user to select which type of a particular package they prefer.
+
+A nice secondary effect of this, if we do this for all non-free and
+tainted packages, is that wherever we place the package file, the name
+indicates its' category. Without having to look inside. We could even
+have the build system automatically adding such tags.
+It would make it easier for confirmed free-only or unconstrained-only
+users to avoid unwanted packages.
+
+&gt;<i> If we can't satisfy everybody, we have to choose who must be satisfied,
+</I>&gt;<i> and why !...
+</I>
+But we can ... almost :)
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+<PRE>Le 30/10/2012 01:34, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 06:20 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates/testing/backports/debug brothers). See
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A> for a list of packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needing faac. Yes, that's overkill, it will clutter the urpmi media
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> config UI, but that's the only clean way we have. I guess a simple way
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to unclutter the drakrpm-edit-media UI would be to add a drop-down
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> menu to select between &quot;Release + Updates&quot; (default and most commonly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> used media), &quot;Updates Testing&quot;, &quot;Backports&quot; (whenever it gets in), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Debug&quot; (for debug packages of all aforementioned groups).
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know what's involved in this, but it is certainly the optimal
+</I>&gt;<i> solution.
+</I>Creating a specific workflow (a new buildsystem queue, a new entry in
+package manager configuration, etc...) for a category of packages with a
+unique candidate is not precisely something I'd call 'optimal'. Unless
+in term of complexity.
+
+Morevoer, unless someone volonteers to actually implement it in our
+buildsystem, that's a purely hypothetical solution.
+
+--
+BOFH excuse #363:
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+<PRE>Le 29/10/2012 22:40, David Walser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> (D) Already stated to be not an option. Then some mirrors couldn't (or at least shouldn't) mirror nonfree, which would be a big
+</I>&gt;<i> inconvenience to its users. Not having tainted, or faac, is not as big of a deal.
+</I>You'd better find an actual mirror admin example with such a dilmen to
+backup your point. So far, that's merely a fantasm.
+
+And even if you find one (we dont miss psycopaths in our community),
+you'd have to balance it againt the 99% of other mirrors who don't care
+a single second with this kind of subtility.
+--
+BOFH excuse #94:
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 02:44, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If there is some constraint on the redistribution of a package in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries, such as patent claims or encryption technology used or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whatever, mirrors in affected countries may reasonably want to avoid
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> carrying such packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For this reason, we created the &quot;tainted&quot; repos, which are optional for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> official mirrors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However we added the additional restriction that packages in tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must also be open source, to satisfy those that don't want to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free packages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we want to continue this additional restriction, we would have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> create another set of repos for packages that are both constrained
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (tainted) and non-free, in order to carry such packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem of including nonfree spftware in tainted, is that it no longer is a Free software repo in countries that don't accept software patents.
+</I>
+So how is that a problem ?
+Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to say that they have to
+install a package just because it is in tainted.
+Nobody can install all packages in core, nor all packages in nonfree.
+Maybe one could install all packages in tainted (as there are not very
+many), but it is normal to be selective in installing packages.
+
+Would it help if a user could set a configuration to automatically
+control the installation of non-free packages.
+Something like &quot;never&quot;, &quot;confirm each time&quot;, or &quot;always&quot;, similar to
+what has been proposed for isos ?
+Don't forget that packages in the tainted repo have to be downloaded
+from the net, unlike packages in core or nonfree, which could be on an
+iso. So having an additional control, and using the &quot;never&quot; option
+would eliminate any chance of installing a non-free package from tainted.
+Wouldn't that work for you ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonfree software belongs in a nonfree tree. If we need to create a new repo for them, so be it. That is the right thing to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> No one said that the right thing to do would be easy. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However there are very few packages that meet this restriction. Also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the tainted repos contain relatively few packages, compared with core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and nonfree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What has that got to do with anything?
+</I>&gt;<i> Either a package is Free and open source software, or it is not. wether it belongs in the majority or a tiny minority is not the issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> The issue at stake is our Freedom.
+</I>
+Good point.
+I think that we can all agree that all users have the freedom to not
+install specific packages.
+What many are asking is the freedom to readily access certain tainted +
+non-free packages, while others are worried about the overhead that an
+additional repo will bring for a relatively small number of packages.
+So one possible compromise is putting all constrained packages in the
+tainted repos.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I happens to live in a country where the packages in tainted is Free software in every sense of the word. And I don't believe that I'm the only one that is.
+</I>&gt;<i> Tainted is a convenience for those that live in a country that have software patents, not the otherway around. Don't clutter the water for those of us where tainted still is a Free software repo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Firstly, software patents is only one factor that could put a package in
+tainted. If you live in a NATO country, certain encryption software was
+restricted in the past, and some may still be. So some software in
+tainted may be constrained in your country.
+My suggestion above for additional configuration options that would
+allow automatically ignoring non-free packages in tainted would solve
+your problem in practical terms, as well as solving the problem of freer
+access to certain software for other users.
+Note that I'm not likely to use such packages. I'm essentially a
+bystander looking for a reasonable solution.
+
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+&gt;<i> Personnally, I would favour putting &quot;tainted&quot; or &quot;nonfree&quot; (or rather an
+</I>&gt;<i> abbreviated form, say &quot;[nf]&quot; or &quot;[tnt]&quot;) at the end of the main part of
+</I>&gt;<i> the package name.
+</I>
+It's already the case ...
+
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3-304.60-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
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+<PRE>On 30/10/12 08:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 30/10/2012 01:34, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 06:20 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates/testing/backports/debug brothers). See
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2833</A> for a list of packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needing faac. Yes, that's overkill, it will clutter the urpmi media
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> config UI, but that's the only clean way we have. I guess a simple way
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to unclutter the drakrpm-edit-media UI would be to add a drop-down
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> menu to select between &quot;Release + Updates&quot; (default and most commonly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> used media), &quot;Updates Testing&quot;, &quot;Backports&quot; (whenever it gets in), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Debug&quot; (for debug packages of all aforementioned groups).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what's involved in this, but it is certainly the optimal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> Creating a specific workflow (a new buildsystem queue, a new entry in
+</I>&gt;<i> package manager configuration, etc...) for a category of packages with a
+</I>&gt;<i> unique candidate is not precisely something I'd call 'optimal'. Unless
+</I>&gt;<i> in term of complexity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Morevoer, unless someone volonteers to actually implement it in our
+</I>&gt;<i> buildsystem, that's a purely hypothetical solution.
+</I>
+I'd have to go with Guillaume on that one.
+The inclusion of faac came up a long time ago, and the simple logical
+answer is to created a tainted-non-free repos.
+
+However, the three problems with that solution are:
+- there is only a handful of people at Mageia who can do that, and none
+of them actually did it.
+- there is only faac, so why bother? (fuelling the first reason)
+- the reason that philippe mentioned: is having 3 versions of each
+multimedia package really worth it? ...
+
+Cheers,
+--
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+&gt;<i> I was looking around to figure out how to enable XDMCP support in
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM, and noticed something strange.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the GNOME site GDM3 documentation, they give several options for
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM configuration none of which seem to exist in cauldron.
+</I>
+I'm guessing the documentation is outdated.
+
+&gt;<i> An example is given of using gconf-edit to access apps/gdm, but no
+</I>&gt;<i> such key exists. Mention is made of using a &quot;gdm3setup&quot; executable
+</I>&gt;<i> that we don't seem to have.
+</I>
+GDM has been migrated to gsettings (in practice: dconf).
+
+&gt;<i> Mention is made of &quot;gdm&quot; directories in various locations under
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share and /etc which we don't seem to have, and of enabling
+</I>&gt;<i> XDMCP by setting &quot;Enable=true&quot; in a file called daemon.conf, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> only daemon.conf we have is in /etc/pulse.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did find /usr/share/X11/dm.d/20gdm.conf and
+</I>&gt;<i> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf, but neither of these seem to have
+</I>&gt;<i> anything to do with XDMCP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did find a barebones /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf which had an empty
+</I>&gt;<i> [Xdmcp] section, but adding Enable=true here had no effect on
+</I>&gt;<i> getting the GDM main dropdown to show a Remote Login option. It
+</I>&gt;<i> did, however, get the GDM server to export the host as eligible for
+</I>&gt;<i> XDMCP, and accept a logon. However, the GDM screen it puts up has
+</I>&gt;<i> no option to close the connection, or anything else indicating that
+</I>&gt;<i> it is a remote login.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do we do in MGA to enable GDM as an XDMCP client, or configure
+</I>&gt;<i> it in general ?
+</I>
+No clue at all. Suggest asking upstream. XDMCP was recently discussed in
+relation to fallback mode, but other than that I don't know much
+(assumed it was working).
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+&gt;<i> On 30/10/12 08:20, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 30/10/2012 01:34, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/29/2012 06:20 PM, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would prefer B: adding a nonfree-tainted repo (+ its
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updates/testing/backports/debug brothers).
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know what's involved in this, but it is certainly the optimal
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> solution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Creating a specific workflow (a new buildsystem queue, a new entry in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package manager configuration, etc...) for a category of packages with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unique candidate is not precisely something I'd call 'optimal'. Unless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in term of complexity.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Morevoer, unless someone volonteers to actually implement it in our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> buildsystem, that's a purely hypothetical solution.
+</I>
+That's pretty easy to add in the BS, IIRC, it's about creating the dirs
+in the repo, modifying media.cfg, and youri + iurt config files.
+
+And maybe one-line to patch in Rpmdrake::Gui to recognize that
+nonfree-tainted is not free software (but it looks already broken
+anyway).
+
+&gt;<i> I'd have to go with Guillaume on that one.
+</I>&gt;<i> The inclusion of faac came up a long time ago, and the simple logical
+</I>&gt;<i> answer is to created a tainted-non-free repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, the three problems with that solution are:
+</I>&gt;<i> - there is only a handful of people at Mageia who can do that, and
+</I>&gt;<i> none of them actually did it.
+</I>
+Maybe because Mageia sysadmins are not always dictators and act upon the
+input of other teams.
+Pascal and I will be able to do it.
+
+&gt;<i> - there is only faac, so why bother? (fuelling the first reason)
+</I>&gt;<i> - the reason that philippe mentioned: is having 3 versions of each
+</I>&gt;<i> multimedia package really worth it? ...
+</I>
+Yep, it's only worth the clarity it offers in media descriptions...
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+&gt;<i> 2012/10/30 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The consensus was maybe not so clear then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe not so clear for those whose opinion differs from the consensus,
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable. I did not write about a consensus as first one, it has
+</I>&gt;<i> been written repeatedly by others.
+</I>
+My opinion does not differ from the &quot;consensus&quot;:
+- I don't have a strong opinion on this
+- I just did not see a clear consensus after carefully re-reading all
+ the thread (from the beginning of the month) yesterday
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry if it is too offending for one or the other if I call this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> procedure &quot;ridiculous&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where do you see a procedure here? :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Offer one if you think that's needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, in case you have missed all those mails in the devel list:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. The issue was brought to the attention of the people, including the
+</I>&gt;<i> developers.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. The issue has been discussed at length including mantra-like repetitions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Several people suggested the same solution (we did not start a poll
+</I>&gt;<i> but to me it looked like a large part of the participants of the
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion). If I am wrong here then all others who saw it like me are
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong as well
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. All it needed now was action according to that consensus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is what I call a procedure and how issues have been treated many
+</I>&gt;<i> times. May be your definition is different.
+</I>
+What I call a procedure is a documented way of doing things before we
+actually do them :-)
+
+&gt;<i> After the discussion reached this state everybody waited for action,
+</I>&gt;<i> which may have ver well have been delayed because of other more
+</I>&gt;<i> important work. That was the subject/contents of the opening mail and
+</I>&gt;<i> first answers of this thread. Until somebody started to open the
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another option would have been to bring the issue to the council after
+</I>&gt;<i> the first discussion ended but I haven't yet read any mail about such
+</I>&gt;<i> a move during the months since then.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is that what you were waiting for?
+</I>
+If things don't move on, yes, we should bring this to the council.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> It could be up to the council or board to chose the lesser evil between:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - picking tainted for non-free + tainted packages like faac, and thus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forbid mirroring tainted packages that are only free-software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (but maybe that's the hypothetical 'selective mirror admin' from Guillaume)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes, you've been calling those existing mirror maintainers
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;hypothetical&quot; before. Very good argument. If I don't like something I
+</I>&gt;<i> just pretend it isn't there.
+</I>
+This looks like a misunderstanding, again.
+The hypothetical selective mirror admin was about an admin selectively
+picking sub-trees (free, non-free) of PLF.
+Do you know of any admin doing this?
+
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+&gt;<i> I am not skilled enough to become a maintainer... and most of all I
+</I>&gt;<i> would not have regularly time to really maintain packages (I wouldn't do
+</I>&gt;<i> a serious work for the community if I'm not here to apply corrections
+</I>&gt;<i> when needed)
+</I>
+At long as you spend some time every so often it should be fine. Just be
+a bit sane, meaning: if you make a big change somewhere, ensure you have
+some time afterwards to check if there is any fallout.
+
+I'd totally appreciate if someone takes the effort to make fixes. No
+matter if that is every day, or maybe an hour/month. All that work adds
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+If you make a change and unintentionally it results in some bug and
+you're not around: too bad, shit happens. And you learned something, so
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+All the best
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+On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Christiaan Welvaart
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cjw at daneel.dyndns.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Each package in non-free must be inspected case-by-case to know if it can be
+</I>&gt;<i> distributed/used, but their licenses are valid world-wide (because copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> is pretty much universally accepted). The packages in tainted can all be
+</I>&gt;<i> used/distributed *if* patents on software are not considered valid in the
+</I>&gt;<i> country where the user/mirror resides. Do you really want to mix those two?
+</I>
+Bad argument, as even with a separate repository these then *will* be mixed.
+As you cannot have &quot;free&quot; packages that depend on the nonfree-tainted
+in the free repo. Those would have to be put into nonfree-tainted as
+well.
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+So nonfree-tainted will end up having &quot;nonfree &amp; tainted&quot; and &quot;free,
+but depends on nonfree-tainted&quot; packages.
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+I don't see a gain here.
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+ciao
+Christian
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+&gt;<i> On 30/10/12 07:58, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Personnally, I would favour putting &quot;tainted&quot; or &quot;nonfree&quot; (or rather an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> abbreviated form, say &quot;[nf]&quot; or &quot;[tnt]&quot;) at the end of the main part of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the package name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's already the case ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nvidia-current-kernel-3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3-304.60-2.mga3.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>by &quot;at the end of the main part of the package name&quot;, I meant
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3.nonfree-304.60-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+or
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.6.4-desktop-1.mga3[nf]-304.60-2.mga3.x86_64.rpm
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+That is, before the version, and not in the revision where it is now.
+So it is seen as a different package.
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+On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Anne Wilson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my wireless
+</I>&gt;<i> connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+</I>&gt;<i> report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+</I>&gt;<i> immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+</I>&gt;<i> was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+</I>
+Yeah, that beast is stubborn unfortunately. That driver is unusable
+with the additional channels, and I also struggled to convince
+MCC/Network manager to use the free driver (that unfortunately
+requires firmware to be loaded and thus manual installation of the
+firmware-cutter package and manual extraction of the firmware before
+it can be made usable).
+
+&gt;<i> Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+</I>&gt;<i> the usual way?
+</I>
+Have you been using that driver before?
+
+ciao
+Christian
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+&gt;<i> Hi Anne, *,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Anne Wilson
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cannewilson at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wireless connection has not been working. I started to gather
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information to report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> detection I was immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other packages (one was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, that beast is stubborn unfortunately. That driver is unusable
+</I>&gt;<i> with the additional channels, and I also struggled to convince
+</I>&gt;<i> MCC/Network manager to use the free driver (that unfortunately
+</I>&gt;<i> requires firmware to be loaded and thus manual installation of the
+</I>&gt;<i> firmware-cutter package and manual extraction of the firmware before
+</I>&gt;<i> it can be made usable).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the usual way?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you been using that driver before?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, it has been working fine in the past, and I'm fairly sure that
+(broadcom-wl-kernel) is what it was using. It's worth noting that the
+netbook kernel was only added to my config a few days ago, so that I
+could test it (not done so yet), so it's possible that the problem is there.
+
+I didn't have the error box on screen when I wrote the original, but I
+can see it now. It says -
+
+System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users
+An application is attempting to perform an action that requires
+privileges. Authentication is required to perform this action/
+
+There is then a password entry box, but neither root password or user
+password makes any difference. As Maurice reported, it finds the SSID,
+but fails to connect, no matter what I do.
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Op maandag 29 oktober 2012 19:52:47 schreef Anne Wilson:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Earlier today I did a big update on Cauldron. Since then my wireless
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connection has not been working. I started to gather information to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> report this, but when I asked MCC for hardware detection I was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> immediately told that broadcom-wl-kernel and two other packages (one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> was broadcom-wl-kernel-netbook, I think) needed installing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Have I missed doing something, or should they have been picked up in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the usual way?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i saw your previous email too (gmail not showing your own messages is a bitch)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry about that. I'm subscribed with this address, and once I realised
+I'd sent it from the gmail address I re-sent, thinking that the mod
+queue would just drop it or I would get a mod warning and I could cancel it.
+
+&gt;<i> i think it's normal, it could be just between syncs that you updated, and it
+</I>&gt;<i> could also be that repository problem that seems to have happened...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i just think that instead of MCC, if you done an update then, that it would
+</I>&gt;<i> have had the same effect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I used urpmi --auto-update. I'm not sure what has broken, or why.
+While I'm using the netbook at home to test Cauldron it's not too big an
+issue. I reported it in the hope that I can help debug the problem.
+
+Anne
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+<PRE>Le 29/10/2012 20:43, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 29/10/2012 16:00, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Together with --no-install, it's what you want.
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, excepted for two issues:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it won't warn the user about the unability to write into
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/cache/urpmi/rpms until the download start
+</I>&gt;<i> - it won't solve the 'you have to guess what I actually did' issue :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we have some kind of non-interactive, easy-to-parse,
+</I>&gt;<i> automation-dedicated output ?
+</I>I just tested the patches.
+
+The --download-dir option seems borken:
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillaume at beria</A> trunk]$ LC_ALL=C ./urpmi --no-install --download-dir
+~/tmp/ wine64
+Unknown option: download-dir
+No package named /home/guillaume/tmp/
+
+Without the option, I don't get any write error, but the packages get
+saved into some mysterious temporary directory (/tmp/.urpmi-500/rpms).
+
+lastly, the -v flag seems enough have the needed information in output:
+
+retrieving rpm files from medium &quot;core.release&quot;...
+ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time
+ [...]
+retrieved lib64opencl1-1.3-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+wine-mono-0.0.4-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm wine64-1.5.14-1.mga3.x86_64.rpm
+...retrieving done
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+--
+BOFH excuse #429:
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+Temporal anomaly
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+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7898">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7898</A>
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+This package was imported by misc, who is gone, so it is unmaintained.
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+ <B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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+<PRE>Hi guys,
+
+OK, so I just upgraded my final mga1 machine to mga2.
+
+I ran into a problem with my authenticated postfix setup where I make
+postfix authenticate with saslauthd.
+
+Digging into the issue, it's a systemd unit conversion problem.
+
+In the old sysvinit script for saslauthd it creates hardlinks from
+/var/run/saslauthd/mux (the main socket) to /var/lib/sasl2/mux and
+/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux
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+These hardlinks allow legacy support (the first one which is the path
+defined in /etc/saslauthd/smtp.conf) and for postfix to use it from
+within a chroot.
+
+Both of these solutions no longer work since saslauthd was updated to a
+systemd unit.
+
+I &quot;fixed&quot; this by adding the lines:
+
+ExecStartPost=-/bin/mkdir -p /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd
+/var/lib/sasl2
+ExecStartPost=-/bin/ln -f /var/run/saslauthd/mux
+/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux
+ExecStartPost=-/bin/ln -f /var/run/saslauthd/mux /var/lib/sasl2/mux
+
+
+to the systemd unit in my install (I might push an update for this more
+generally, but it will depend on the rest of this mail).
+
+
+Now this works in mga2, but in mga3 /var/run is just a symlink to /run
+which is on tmpfs. We obviously cannot use hardlinks as a solution here.
+
+It kinda sucks anyway.
+
+So, what should we do? Should we switch to bind mounts? Should we make
+saslauthd/postfix use abstract sockets instead to get around the chroot?
+
+Any thoughts/suggestions welcome!
+
+Col
+
+
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+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/12 14:18 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 29.10.2012 15:52, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh no! I liked that mirror - waaaay faster than d-c but still regularly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated. I will miss it!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd suggest to switch to mirror,kernel.org as their distributed infra is
+</I>&gt;<i> capable of handling big loads :)
+</I>
+Hmm, I tried this, but:
+
+host mirrors.kernel.org
+mirrors.kernel.org is an alias for mirrors.us.kernel.org.
+mirrors.us.kernel.org has address 149.20.4.71
+
+
+So I seem to just be getting the US mirror and it was slow as hell.
+
+According to this page:
+<A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/">http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/</A>
+
+I should be able to use:
+<A HREF="http://www.uk.kernel.org/pub/software/">http://www.uk.kernel.org/pub/software/</A>
+
+But that doesn't resolve either.
+
+And even on:
+<A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/countries/html/UK.html">http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/countries/html/UK.html</A>
+
+None of the links there resolve.
+
+All seems a bit broken to me :s
+
+
+Tried from a couple different ISPs and for a few other countries with
+the same result :(
+
+Col
+
+
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+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Any thoughts/suggestions welcome!
+</I>We should propably first convert postfix to native systemd support...
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:30, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; The problem of including nonfree spftware in tainted, is that it no longer is a Free software repo in countries that don't accept software patents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So how is that a problem ?
+</I>
+I am one of those that have core and tainted activated, but not nonfree. I know that every available package urpm can find is Free and open source software.
+If we start to include nonfree packages in tainted, one can no longer activate tainted and be sure that every package available for instalation is Free software.
+
+&gt;<i> Would it help if a user could set a configuration to automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> control the installation of non-free packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Something like &quot;never&quot;, &quot;confirm each time&quot;, or &quot;always&quot;, similar to
+</I>&gt;<i> what has been proposed for isos ?
+</I>
+If it also works with urpm in the terminal, yes it's a help. I never use the graphical package management tools to install anything, unless I'm showing a user how to use the system. The only time I open the graphical package manager, is to browse through the categories just to see what's there. Sometimes i find cool games this way.
+
+The &#171;never&#187; option should work with the terminal tools like urpmq and urpmf. Meaning, if one choose to configure it to ignore nonfree packages, it should also not show up in searches. Which is one of the benefits of having separate repos.
+
+&gt;<i> Don't forget that packages in the tainted repo have to be downloaded
+</I>&gt;<i> from the net, unlike packages in core or nonfree, which could be on an
+</I>&gt;<i> iso.
+</I>
+That depends. I never install from anything else but a network install. Mainly because i have access to much more software in one go. In the cases I install from a DVD iso it is on behalf of another user, and I usually add a repo anyway.
+In the past when I installed from a DVD on my own systems, I always added my local repo mirror. (urpmi.addmedia --distrib blahblah)
+
+&gt;<i> So having an additional control, and using the &quot;never&quot; option
+</I>&gt;<i> would eliminate any chance of installing a non-free package from tainted.
+</I>
+As would a new repo. :-)=
+
+&gt;<i> Wouldn't that work for you ?
+</I>
+Yes, for me that would work, but this is not my point. :-)=
+I'm not making noice because it's an inconvenience to Me, but because if we do this we are thowing out our long standing tradition of separating Free software from Nonfree software.
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 02:11, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/10/30 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; tainted as has been said in this thread as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The consensus was maybe not so clear then.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe not so clear for those whose opinion differs from the consensus,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; understandable. I did not write about a consensus as first one, it has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; been written repeatedly by others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps there is beneficial for the community to establish, what is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171;concensus&#187; and how is it reached? No, really.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am starting to think that what I think it means, means something else to
+</I>&gt;<i> other people. Perhaps there is a cultral difference in play. I understand
+</I>&gt;<i> it to man that a desition is reached by seeking concent from all parties.
+</I>&gt;<i> Where not everyone agree with the choice. but agree to abide by it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If my understanding is correct, there is no concensus yet, because not
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone accept the solution proposed by the majority. And everyone doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to agree or know how one decides what the concensus is. ... Unless I
+</I>&gt;<i> missed something, which I might have :-)=
+</I>
+how about just doing a quick vote for packaging team, that could be a
+consensus:
+
+no need to trouble board or council with something so ridiculous...
+bikeshedding anyone?
+
+we have the voting thing, just set one up for a few days:
+have A, B, C and D on it, and let it be multiple possibilities, for me that
+would be all of the above.
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+that could clearly show a consensus
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Thomas Backlund at 29/10/12 14:18 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 29.10.2012 15:52, Colin Guthrie skrev:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 29/10/12 13:25 did gyre and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; For me it does not matter so much anyway, mirror mandrivauser.de will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; close down at December 2012. :(
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Oh no! I liked that mirror - waaaay faster than d-c but still regularly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; updated. I will miss it!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Col
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd suggest to switch to mirror,kernel.org as their distributed infra is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; capable of handling big loads :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I tried this, but:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> host mirrors.kernel.org
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors.kernel.org is an alias for mirrors.us.kernel.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors.us.kernel.org has address 149.20.4.71
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I seem to just be getting the US mirror and it was slow as hell.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to this page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/">http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I should be able to use:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uk.kernel.org/pub/software/">http://www.uk.kernel.org/pub/software/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that doesn't resolve either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And even on:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/countries/html/UK.html">http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/countries/html/UK.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> None of the links there resolve.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All seems a bit broken to me :s
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tried from a couple different ISPs and for a few other countries with
+</I>&gt;<i> the same result :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>
+I saw this before... the european kernel.org mirror seems completely broken to
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:37, Malo wrote:
+&gt;<i> - there is only faac, so why bother? (fuelling the first reason)
+</I>
+There is also another side to this, that we either haven't talked about or doesn't know about.
+We are a Free software community, that includes some nonfree software. (And therefore doesn't qualify as a Free Software community according to some, but that's another debate.)
+A part of beeing a Free software community is that we have a preference as to what kind of software we are willing to work with. That also means that there are software we are not willing to work with.
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+We could decide that &#171;patented nonfree software&#187; doesn't belong in our distribution.
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+&gt;<i> how about just doing a quick vote for packaging team, that could be a
+</I>&gt;<i> consensus:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> that could clearly show a consensus
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+Yes. That would be a good idea.
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>Yesterday, the two power supplies of the distrib-coffee's disk array
+failed at the same time.
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+This mean we lost access to our 10TB of data including mirrors.
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+Currently distrib-coffee is syncing again data from mirrors and
+restoring backup (for our own data, but yes we have backup !).
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+Sadly, the switch to another storage array was planed in two or three
+weeks...
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+I do my best to restore the service as soon as possible.
+At time, 26GB of Mageia are restored.
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+Regards.
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+ <B>Claire Robinson</B>
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+&gt;<i> Yesterday, the two power supplies of the distrib-coffee's disk array
+</I>&gt;<i> failed at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mean we lost access to our 10TB of data including mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently distrib-coffee is syncing again data from mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> restoring backup (for our own data, but yes we have backup !).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly, the switch to another storage array was planed in two or three
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do my best to restore the service as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time, 26GB of Mageia are restored.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the info Olivier. Sorry to hear about your problems, it is
+much missed.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do my best to restore the service as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time, 26GB of Mageia are restored.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good news!
+I switched temporarily to <A HREF="rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net">rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net</A> but now find that it
+is also now empty. It was working OK for most of the day.
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+I lost some files from my personal mirror when <A HREF="rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net">rsync://fr2.rpmfind.net</A>
+was wiped, but killed rsync just in time.
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+Using --delete-after it's not easy to avoid this happening, but a safety
+net is needed to stop all downstream mirrors following suit when a
+disaster happens.
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+I will set --max-delete=500 locally in future.
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+Any better ideas?
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+&gt;<i> Yesterday, the two power supplies of the distrib-coffee's disk array
+</I>&gt;<i> failed at the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mean we lost access to our 10TB of data including mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently distrib-coffee is syncing again data from mirrors and
+</I>&gt;<i> restoring backup (for our own data, but yes we have backup !).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadly, the switch to another storage array was planed in two or three
+</I>&gt;<i> weeks...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do my best to restore the service as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time, 26GB of Mageia are restored.
+</I>
+Thanks Olivier, that's much appreciated.
+Your mirror is of a huge use for most of us!
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+I always run rsync manually twice. The first run I use &#171;-n&#187; to make sure my mirror isn't wiped, and then run rsync normally.
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+<PRE>I am teaching a class on administration of GNU &amp; Linux using Mageia 2 at
+one of the State of Jalisco's offices and while teaching iptables I
+noted that reload no longer is supported with this service.
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+I have always used it in the past to avoid disconnecting people with
+restart if whatever changes I made to the tables were not relevant to
+their connection.
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+Has something changed in iptables/netfilter where restart works like
+reload used to work, or have we lost some functionality?
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+<PRE>On 30/10/12 21:29, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 22:21, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will set --max-delete=500 locally in future.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any better ideas?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I always run rsync manually twice. The first run I use &#171;-n&#187; to make sure my mirror isn't wiped, and then run rsync normally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I run it from a cron job via a script, so I could parse the output of a
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+&gt;<i> Le 30/10/2012 17:55, Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any thoughts/suggestions welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i> We should propably first convert postfix to native systemd support...
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+Well yes, but that's somewhat orthogonal to this specific issue :)
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Richard Couture at 30/10/12 21:33 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I am teaching a class on administration of GNU &amp; Linux using Mageia 2 at
+</I>&gt;<i> one of the State of Jalisco's offices and while teaching iptables I
+</I>&gt;<i> noted that reload no longer is supported with this service.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have always used it in the past to avoid disconnecting people with
+</I>&gt;<i> restart if whatever changes I made to the tables were not relevant to
+</I>&gt;<i> their connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has something changed in iptables/netfilter where restart works like
+</I>&gt;<i> reload used to work, or have we lost some functionality?
+</I>
+
+Well, traditionally, the &quot;reload&quot; operation has not generally been
+supported on singleshot services (which iptables.service is), however, a
+patch was recently committed upstream which I suspect you will like:
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+<A HREF="http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=2abba39d759bacebd7461f7370bb108f48dcce92">http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=2abba39d759bacebd7461f7370bb108f48dcce92</A>
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+This is now available in cauldron, but the iptables.service file needs
+to be updated to include the correct line in the unit:
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+ExecReload=/usr/lib64/iptables.init reload
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+I'll make a note to update the iptables package (but someone is welcome
+to beat me to it).
+
+Col
+
+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/10/12 22:28 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I'll make a note to update the iptables package (but someone is welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> to beat me to it).
+</I>
+Just submitted an (untested) fix for this.
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+I think there could be a newer iptables version available, but I didn't
+look at that directly.
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+Cheers
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+Col
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+&gt;<i> I do my best to restore the service as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> At time, 26GB of Mageia are restored.
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+</I>Sorry for your misfortune, Olivier. Your mirror is invaluable to us.
+Please post when your repairs are complete. Syncing with distrib-coffee
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/10/12 22:34 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/10/12 22:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll make a note to update the iptables package (but someone is welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to beat me to it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just submitted an (untested) fix for this.
+</I>
+And of course that failed with the latest kernel!
+
+&gt;<i> I think there could be a newer iptables version available, but I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> look at that directly.
+</I>
+I've updated it to the latest version now: 1.4.16.3
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+There are a few changes. Some modules moved from libipt_* to libxt_*
+(and I've no idea what that means).
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+Also I don't have kernel-source-latest here but it seems to build fine
+with kernel-devel-latest. YMMV.
+
+Can someone who actually knows about this stuff (*cough* Thomas *cough*)
+maybe do a quick review and submit it if it's OK?
+
+connman and xtables-addons will need rebuilt (untested) for the new major.
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+Colin Guthrie
+colin(at)mageia.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
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+Open Source:
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+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+&gt;<i> This is a reminder for the coming Alpha 3 release, planned for 12th
+</I>&gt;<i> of november. We should start working on isos about 9 or 10 days
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+</I>
+November 12 is the GNOME 3.6.2. tarball due date. I expect tarballs up
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/10/12 22:34 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Colin Guthrie at 30/10/12 22:28 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll make a note to update the iptables package (but someone is welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to beat me to it).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just submitted an (untested) fix for this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And of course that failed with the latest kernel!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think there could be a newer iptables version available, but I didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look at that directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've updated it to the latest version now: 1.4.16.3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are a few changes. Some modules moved from libipt_* to libxt_*
+</I>&gt;<i> (and I've no idea what that means).
+</I>
+That means they have been updated from old iptables to new xtables
+codebase...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also I don't have kernel-source-latest here but it seems to build fine
+</I>&gt;<i> with kernel-devel-latest. YMMV.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, it should work, but at some point it needed more so I added full
+source to keep it simple :)
+
+&gt;<i> Can someone who actually knows about this stuff (*cough* Thomas *cough*)
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe do a quick review and submit it if it's OK?
+</I>
+
+Checked and submitted.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> connman and xtables-addons will need rebuilt (untested) for the new major.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>31.10.2012 01:18, Olav Vitters skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:53:10PM +0100, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is a reminder for the coming Alpha 3 release, planned for 12th
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of november. We should start working on isos about 9 or 10 days
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> November 12 is the GNOME 3.6.2. tarball due date. I expect tarballs up
+</I>&gt;<i> to November 14 or so though. It should be fine to include whatever is
+</I>&gt;<i> released up to that point (should not be too many changes, expect mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> translation updates and fixes for crashers)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No guesswork please....
+
+please hold of pushing stuff unless you know it wont break...
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+Consider Friday 2nd Oct 2012 as 21.00 UTC as a &quot;soft freeze&quot; for
+avoiding breakages until alpha3 is released...
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+--
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+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 31 October 2012 01:16, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Consider Friday 2nd Oct 2012 as 21.00 UTC as a &quot;soft freeze&quot; ....
+</I>
+You mean 2nd _Nov_, right? :-)=
+(Which is friday this week.)
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+<PRE>Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:30, andre999 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The problem of including nonfree spftware in tainted, is that it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> no longer is a Free software repo in countries that don't accept
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software patents.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So how is that a problem ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am one of those that have core and tainted activated, but not
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree. I know that every available package urpm can find is Free
+</I>&gt;<i> and open source software. If we start to include nonfree packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted, one can no longer activate tainted and be sure that every
+</I>&gt;<i> package available for instalation is Free software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it help if a user could set a configuration to automatically
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> control the installation of non-free packages. Something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;never&quot;, &quot;confirm each time&quot;, or &quot;always&quot;, similar to what has been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> proposed for isos ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If it also works with urpm in the terminal, yes it's a help. I never
+</I>&gt;<i> use the graphical package management tools to install anything,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless I'm showing a user how to use the system. The only time I open
+</I>&gt;<i> the graphical package manager, is to browse through the categories
+</I>&gt;<i> just to see what's there. Sometimes i find cool games this way.
+</I>
+Myself I prefer graphic tools when they accomplish my goal more readily,
+which is most of the time installing packages. Fewer problems with typos.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &#171;never&#187; option should work with the terminal tools like urpmq and
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf. Meaning, if one choose to configure it to ignore nonfree
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, it should also not show up in searches. Which is one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> benefits of having separate repos.
+</I>
+My idea is to store such a configution option in the global section (at
+the beginning) of /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg, so it would be available to both
+console and graphic tools.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't forget that packages in the tainted repo have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> downloaded from the net, unlike packages in core or nonfree, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could be on an iso.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That depends. I never install from anything else but a network
+</I>&gt;<i> install. Mainly because i have access to much more software in one
+</I>&gt;<i> go. In the cases I install from a DVD iso it is on behalf of another
+</I>&gt;<i> user, and I usually add a repo anyway. In the past when I installed
+</I>&gt;<i> from a DVD on my own systems, I always added my local repo mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i> (urpmi.addmedia --distrib blahblah)
+</I>
+I was thinking of internet installs -- which are often unreliable (at my
+location), if installing/updating many packages. (It seems to depend on
+the weather, even though I have a wired connexion to internet.)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So having an additional control, and using the &quot;never&quot; option would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eliminate any chance of installing a non-free package from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As would a new repo. :-)=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't that work for you ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, for me that would work, but this is not my point. :-)= I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> making noice because it's an inconvenience to Me, but because if we
+</I>&gt;<i> do this we are thowing out our long standing tradition of separating
+</I>&gt;<i> Free software from Nonfree software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If I'm not mistaken, constrained packages tend to be presented elsewhere
+in a single set of repos, free and non-free together.
+I do agree that the category should be very clearly identified.
+As it stands now, most non-free and many constrained(tainted) packages
+have nothing in their name to indicate their category. So if a package
+is not in the correct repo, there is no easy means to determine its'
+category. If we require a tag the package name for all non-free, and
+similarly for all tainted, we would loose this ambiguity.
+Note that if urpmi is configured to keep downloaded packages after
+install, all packages, whatever their category, whatever release, are
+put in the same directory. Putting a tag in the name would remove the
+resulting ambiguity.
+
+Besides the extra overhead, the thought of another set of repos with a
+configuration to maintain is not inviting.
+It wouldn't be so bad if configuration were presented in a grid instead
+of an endless list, at least for official repos.
+If the presentation were simplified and a way found to minimise any
+overhead, I'm not necessarily against an extra set of repos. But having
+to scroll down a few pages to review the configuration, or select among
+a dozen repos every time one updates, is a pain.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:37, Malo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - there is only faac, so why bother? (fuelling the first reason)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is also another side to this, that we either haven't talked
+</I>&gt;<i> about or doesn't know about. We are a Free software community, that
+</I>&gt;<i> includes some nonfree software. (And therefore doesn't qualify as a
+</I>&gt;<i> Free Software community according to some, but that's another
+</I>&gt;<i> debate.) A part of beeing a Free software community is that we have a
+</I>&gt;<i> preference as to what kind of software we are willing to work with.
+</I>&gt;<i> That also means that there are software we are not willing to work
+</I>&gt;<i> with.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could decide that &#171;patented nonfree software&#187; doesn't belong in
+</I>&gt;<i> our distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That has been our temporary decision, to the best of my knowledge always
+to be reviewed later.
+But as we can see, many users want certain packages in this category, so
+the topic keeps getting raised.
+For myself, with a very strong preference for open source, I'm very
+willing to accommodate those with a preference for certain non-free
+software.
+As well, there will always be proprietory software, particularly for
+niche situations, which is not necessarily bad.
+After all good ideas in proprietory software, which focuses on solving
+real-world needs, can inspire a lot of good free software.
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+&gt;<i> In the process of fixing a security bug in tinyproxy, QA discovered several
+</I>&gt;<i> problems with this package: <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7898">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7898</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This package was imported by misc, who is gone, so it is unmaintained.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone is interested in this package, please fix. Otherwise, let's
+</I>&gt;<i> drop this package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>Remove it.
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+Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in
+core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.
+
+The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):
+ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+ ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+ ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal
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+ ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest
+ ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+ ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb
+ ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk
+ ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera
+ ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc
+ ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2
+ ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4
+ ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel
+ ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+ ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree
+ ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc
+ weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby
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+The reason why I couldn't load it directly into release, is that I
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+&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related software
+</I>&gt;<i> (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I think it's time
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+Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron ffmpeg?
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+&gt;<i> So, what should we do? Should we switch to bind mounts? Should we make
+</I>&gt;<i> saslauthd/postfix use abstract sockets instead to get around the chroot?
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 31 October 2012 01:16, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Consider Friday 2nd Oct 2012 as 21.00 UTC as a &quot;soft freeze&quot; ....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean 2nd _Nov_, right? :-)=
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+<PRE>Le 31/10/2012 10:23, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think it's time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron ffmpeg?
+</I>&gt;<i> And we can build it without AAC encoding support I think.
+</I>No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have opened this painful discussion again.
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+&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 10:23, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think it's time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron ffmpeg?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And we can build it without AAC encoding support I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have opened this painful discussion again.
+</I>
+Isn't cinelerra licensed under the GPLv2+, which means we are not allowed
+to distribute binaries linked against a non-free library? It looks like
+the faac discussion is not painful but completely useless.
+
+Who wants to maintain this package? I built it and it appears to work but
+complains a bit - maybe due to cauldron ffmpeg - and crashes when
+trying to output AAC (&quot;mp4a&quot;) because I forgot to remove that UI option.
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+Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless
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+Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
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+&gt;<i>On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 04:55:28PM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, what should we do? Should we switch to bind mounts? Should we make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> saslauthd/postfix use abstract sockets instead to get around the chroot?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>bind mount for just saslauth seems cleanest to me. Don't bind mount
+</I>&gt;<i>entire /run or /var/run, could impact security of the chroot somehow.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 05:59:12AM -0600, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
+&gt;<i> Please explain me why you want to change the current bind mount of
+</I>&gt;<i> sasl for postfix? What you propose?
+</I>
+If you read the thread you'll notice that Colin said it uses hard link
+and that I suggested bind mounts. If it is already using bind mounts
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+I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?
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+Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
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+&gt;<i>On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 05:59:12AM -0600, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please explain me why you want to change the current bind mount of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sasl for postfix? What you propose?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>If you read the thread you'll notice that Colin said it uses hard link
+</I>&gt;<i>and that I suggested bind mounts. If it is already using bind mounts
+</I>&gt;<i>instead of hard links, cool.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le 31/10/2012 13:58, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by
+</I>&gt;<i> changing to bind mount.
+</I>Consistency with similar cases, such as the incoming bind chroot setup
+script (adapted from fedora).
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 06:58:55AM -0600, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by changing to bind mount.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?
+</I>
+As explained by Colin, the hardlink solution won't work anymore.
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+Please read the email by Colin thoroughly...
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+<PRE>Le 31/10/2012 12:57, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 10:23, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think it's time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron ffmpeg?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And we can build it without AAC encoding support I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have opened this painful discussion again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't cinelerra licensed under the GPLv2+, which means we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> allowed to distribute binaries linked against a non-free library? It
+</I>&gt;<i> looks like the faac discussion is not painful but completely useless.
+</I>I wasn't aware of such kind of restriction, but it reminds me of similar
+cases in the past. Anyway, faac isn't only used for cinelerra, and even
+if we can't distribute it, having one less ancestor to rebuild manually
+is still a gain.
+
+&gt;<i> Who wants to maintain this package? I built it and it appears to work
+</I>&gt;<i> but complains a bit - maybe due to cauldron ffmpeg - and crashes when
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to output AAC (&quot;mp4a&quot;) because I forgot to remove that UI option.
+</I>This is a distinct issue.
+
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+--
+BOFH excuse #14:
+
+sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support
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+&gt;&gt;<i> An example is given of using gconf-edit to access apps/gdm, but no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such key exists. Mention is made of using a &quot;gdm3setup&quot; executable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that we don't seem to have.
+</I>&gt;<i> GDM has been migrated to gsettings (in practice: dconf).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I found and installed dconf-editor, and opened it, but the key index
+doesn't have a whisper of GDM.
+
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+this possibly a build option that isn't getting set, or maybe a pam.d
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+
+
+2012/10/31 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason why I couldn't load it directly into release, is that I
+</I>&gt;<i> introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>31.10.2012 17:26, Funda Wang skrev:
+&gt;<i> ping?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Removed...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+&gt;<i> 2012/10/31 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could somebody remove all ruby 1.9 related packages in
+</I>&gt;<i> core/updates_testing, so that we could land it into core/release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The package lists goes (in format of srpm:rpm):
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-bigdecimal
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-io-console
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-json
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-minitest
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rake
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p194-8.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rdoc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:libruby1.9
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-irb
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-1.9.3.p286-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-tk
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-hiera-0.3.0-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-hiera-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:libqtruby4shared2
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-qt4-4.9.1-2.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-qt4-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-RubyGems-1.8.24-4.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-RubyGems
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby-rubytree-0.8.3-1.mga3.src.rpm:ruby-rubytree-doc
+</I>&gt;<i> weechat-0.3.8-1.mga3.src.rpm:weechat-ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason why I couldn't load it directly into release, is that I
+</I>&gt;<i> introduced unwanted epoch for ruby packages when doing testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 12:57, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 10:23, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for instance), I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think it's time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron ffmpeg?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And we can build it without AAC encoding support I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have opened this painful discussion again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't cinelerra licensed under the GPLv2+, which means we are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allowed to distribute binaries linked against a non-free library? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looks like the faac discussion is not painful but completely useless.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wasn't aware of such kind of restriction, but it reminds me of similar
+</I>&gt;<i> cases in the past. Anyway, faac isn't only used for cinelerra, and even if we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't distribute it, having one less ancestor to rebuild manually is still a
+</I>&gt;<i> gain.
+</I>
+We are not going to carry faac just for convenience to build applications
+locally. Handbrake, another application that supposedly needs faac, is
+also GPL licensed so cannot be distributed linked against faac. Arista in
+mageia supports encoding AAC without faac. Audiokonverter appears to use
+mplayer for encoding so it should be able to use ffmpeg for AAC. Anything
+else?
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+<PRE>30.10.2012 04:38, Thomas Backlund skrev:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course the bug could be another one too, but that one was the first
+</I>&gt;<i> that came to mind....
+</I>
+An other thought...
+
+IIRC you are a fglrx user.
+
+The 9.002 driver did not work properly with x11-server despite the fact
+it was supposed to :/
+
+But the 9.01 I just uploaded should work better...
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz at 31/10/12 12:58 did gyre
+and gimble:
+&gt;<i> Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by
+</I>&gt;<i> changing to bind mount.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?
+</I>
+That's the problem, it doesn't work anymore in cauldron as /var/run is
+on a different filesystem to /var/spool/postfix/var/run and hardlinks
+only work within the same filesystem.
+
+Even the old way would have been broken if /var/lib was mounted
+separately (although this would be very rare indeed!).
+
+So as I stated originally, hardlinks simply won't work as a solution any
+more.
+
+I was thinking of bind mounting only the individual mux socket.
+
+It's not ideal, but I can't think of a nicer way.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
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+colin(at)mageia.org
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+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+ PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+ Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 12:57, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/10/2012 10:23, Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Given the importance of this package for several multimedia-related
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> software (it is a mandatory dependency for cinerella, for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> instance), I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think it's time
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you have a cinelerra source rpm that builds against cauldron
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ffmpeg?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And we can build it without AAC encoding support I think.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No. Otherwise, I wouldn't have opened this painful discussion again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't cinelerra licensed under the GPLv2+, which means we are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> allowed to distribute binaries linked against a non-free library? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> looks like the faac discussion is not painful but completely useless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I wasn't aware of such kind of restriction, but it reminds me of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar cases in the past. Anyway, faac isn't only used for cinelerra,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and even if we can't distribute it, having one less ancestor to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rebuild manually is still a gain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are not going to carry faac just for convenience to build
+</I>&gt;<i> applications locally. Handbrake, another application that supposedly
+</I>&gt;<i> needs faac, is also GPL licensed so cannot be distributed linked against
+</I>&gt;<i> faac. Arista in mageia supports encoding AAC without faac.
+</I>&gt;<i> Audiokonverter appears to use mplayer for encoding so it should be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to use ffmpeg for AAC. Anything else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You're wrong about audiokonverter :
+it uses faac to encode into *.aac files
+I proposed the two patches to have it in Mageia:
+one to build it without using lame and faac for core repo (patent
+problem for both of them)
+one to build it with using lame but without using faac for tainted repo
+(as soon as faac is not provided)
+NB for my personal use I packaged audiokonverter without patch, and
+installed faac from blogdrake's repo !
+
+
+About Arista :
+I tried Arista to create an *.aac file : it complains about missing
+elements...
+Could you really create *.aac files ? or did you only read what it is
+supposed to do.
+Arista uses gstreamer... and, in Mageia, gstreamer-plugins in tainted
+are built without faac, I wonder what is missing on my computer to be
+able to do what you did !!!
+
+
+About Cinelerra and Handbrake : everything is GPL licensed except the
+ISO specification they need to be built ...
+provided as bundled in hanbrake (reason why it was banned from
+Mageia-tainted)
+ and required as BuildRequire : faac-devel for cinelerra, preventing to
+build it for Mageia
+
+And Yes absolutely there's a contamination with a non-free source (how
+the hell an ISO MPEG4 norma could be GPL ?!!!! )
+For example : is UTF8 GPL ? is ISO-8859 GPL : nevertheless you use these
+nonGPL specifications to read this thread in your webbrowser)
+
+
+I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+
+Philippe
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+<PRE>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are not going to carry faac just for convenience to build
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> applications locally. Handbrake, another application that supposedly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needs faac, is also GPL licensed so cannot be distributed linked against
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> faac. Arista in mageia supports encoding AAC without faac.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Audiokonverter appears to use mplayer for encoding so it should be able
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to use ffmpeg for AAC. Anything else?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> You're wrong about audiokonverter :
+</I>&gt;<i> it uses faac to encode into *.aac files
+</I>
+I don't know what .aac files are (format), will check.
+
+&gt;<i> I proposed the two patches to have it in Mageia:
+</I>
+Saw that in the bugreport (:
+
+&gt;<i> About Arista :
+</I>&gt;<i> I tried Arista to create an *.aac file : it complains about missing
+</I>&gt;<i> elements...
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you really create *.aac files ? or did you only read what it is
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to do.
+</I>I only tried to transcode video with aac audio track, not audio only.
+
+&gt;<i> Arista uses gstreamer... and, in Mageia, gstreamer-plugins in tainted
+</I>&gt;<i> are built without faac, I wonder what is missing on my computer to be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to do what you did !!!
+</I>libavcodec from tainted and gstreamer-ffmpeg/gstreamer-libav
+ - this depends on libvo-aacenc
++ arista 0.9.7-4
+
+&gt;<i> About Cinelerra and Handbrake : everything is GPL licensed except the
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO specification they need to be built ...
+</I>&gt;<i> provided as bundled in hanbrake (reason why it was banned from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-tainted)
+</I>&gt;<i> and required as BuildRequire : faac-devel for cinelerra, preventing to
+</I>&gt;<i> build it for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And Yes absolutely there's a contamination with a non-free source (how
+</I>&gt;<i> the hell an ISO MPEG4 norma could be GPL ?!!!! )
+</I>AFAIK it's code, not the standard itself
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+
+Driving...
+
+Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless
+
+Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+
+&gt;<i>'Twas brillig, and Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz at 31/10/12 12:58 did gyre
+</I>&gt;<i>and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes i know it uses hardlink, what i mean what advantages do you see by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changing to bind mount.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I mean if it works, why shall we fix it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>That's the problem, it doesn't work anymore in cauldron as /var/run is
+</I>&gt;<i>on a different filesystem to /var/spool/postfix/var/run and hardlinks
+</I>&gt;<i>only work within the same filesystem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Even the old way would have been broken if /var/lib was mounted
+</I>&gt;<i>separately (although this would be very rare indeed!).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>So as I stated originally, hardlinks simply won't work as a solution any
+</I>&gt;<i>more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I was thinking of bind mounting only the individual mux socket.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>It's not ideal, but I can't think of a nicer way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i>colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>
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+<PRE>Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christiaan Welvaart a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We are not going to carry faac just for convenience to build
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> applications locally. Handbrake, another application that supposedly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> needs faac, is also GPL licensed so cannot be distributed linked against
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> faac. Arista in mageia supports encoding AAC without faac.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Audiokonverter appears to use mplayer for encoding so it should be able
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to use ffmpeg for AAC. Anything else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You're wrong about audiokonverter :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it uses faac to encode into *.aac files
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know what .aac files are (format), will check.
+</I>That's compressed audio files (for ipod for instance)
+That's also the audiotrack format for MPEG4
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I proposed the two patches to have it in Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Saw that in the bugreport (:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About Arista :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I tried Arista to create an *.aac file : it complains about missing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> elements...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you really create *.aac files ? or did you only read what it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supposed to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> I only tried to transcode video with aac audio track, not audio only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Do you mean transcode video with aac audio track into other format
+(that's already allowed, thanks to faad provided by Mageia)
+or transcode an existing video (with mp3 audio track for instance) into
+video with aac audio track (that is not allowed with Mageia2 whichever
+software you use : avidemux, vlc, mencoder, gstreamer, ffmpeg)
+&gt;&gt;<i> Arista uses gstreamer... and, in Mageia, gstreamer-plugins in tainted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are built without faac, I wonder what is missing on my computer to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> able to do what you did !!!
+</I>&gt;<i> libavcodec from tainted and gstreamer-ffmpeg/gstreamer-libav
+</I>&gt;<i> - this depends on libvo-aacenc
+</I>&gt;<i> + arista 0.9.7-4
+</I>
+So you use cauldron ;)
+
+Mageia2 has arista 0.9.7.2
+I have too libavcodec from tainted, libvo-aaenc, gstreamer-ffmpeg (can't
+find any gstreamer-libav on Mageia2)
+Is the new built gstreamer on cauldron allowing to create mp4 or aac
+files now ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> About Cinelerra and Handbrake : everything is GPL licensed except the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ISO specification they need to be built ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provided as bundled in hanbrake (reason why it was banned from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-tainted)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and required as BuildRequire : faac-devel for cinelerra, preventing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> build it for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And Yes absolutely there's a contamination with a non-free source (how
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the hell an ISO MPEG4 norma could be GPL ?!!!! )
+</I>&gt;<i> AFAIK it's code, not the standard itself
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Christiaan
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps Cauldron provides something now for this aac encoding problem...
+that's good news for Mageia3
+but I will have to wait and see : I must use the stable Mageia2 on my
+everyday computer... (with some workarounds ;) ) until Mageia3 appears
+
+Regards
+
+Philippe
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, PhilippeDidier wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I don't know actually how to create *.aac files or *.mp4 files with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia... if you help me I will be happy...
+</I>
+ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 -strict -2 -codec:a aac -format adts foo.aac
+
+But AFAIK this uses the ffmpeg internal aac codec which isn't very good.
+ -codec:a libvo_aacenc produces garbage, no idea why
+
+About arista: someone decided to use the internal ffmpeg lib from
+gstreamer-ffmpeg for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg which broke arista. Now arista
+must be ported to gstreamer1.0 .
+
+
+ Christiaan
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+<PRE>On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:15:52 +0200
+Thomas Backlund wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Of course the bug could be another one too, but that one was the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; first that came to mind....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An other thought...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIRC you are a fglrx user.
+</I>
+Partly true.
+
+I'm using fglrx on an older mandriva system but this system
+uses nvidia.
+
+Whatever the cause it appears to have been patched/fixed
+in 3.6.5
+
+This is your latest linus and it booted without issue.
+
+
+ Charles
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:15:52 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Of course the bug could be another one too, but that one was the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> first that came to mind....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> An other thought...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IIRC you are a fglrx user.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Partly true.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm using fglrx on an older mandriva system but this system
+</I>&gt;<i> uses nvidia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever the cause it appears to have been patched/fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> in 3.6.5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is your latest linus and it booted without issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Great, thanks for the info.
+
+--
+Thomas
+
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+ <B>Barry Jackson</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century">zen25000 at zen.co.uk
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+ <I>Wed Oct 31 23:29:14 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 30/10/12 21:49, Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 30/10/12 21:29, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 22:21, Barry Jackson wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I will set --max-delete=500 locally in future.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Any better ideas?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I always run rsync manually twice. The first run I use &#171;-n&#187; to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure my mirror isn't wiped, and then run rsync normally.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I run it from a cron job via a script, so I could parse the output of a
+</I>&gt;<i> dry run and count deletes for example, then let it decide whether to run
+</I>&gt;<i> or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks - worth investigating :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I wrote the attached script. It checks several mirrors until it finds
+one that has the normal number of files and does not fail for any other
+reason.
+
+Currently I have distrib-coffee at the top of the possible mirror list,
+but it is skipped because it only has a fraction of the files yet.
+
+It creates a couple of logs and runs as a cron job (or manually).
+
+If you feel inclined to use it please feel free to suggest any improvements.
+
+I certainly feel safer now.
+
+Barry
+-------------- next part --------------
+#!/bin/bash
+# ~/cronsync
+# Run with e.g. crontab:- 30 * * * * $HOME/cronsync
+# Set using crontab -e
+###################
+# List of mirrors in preference order to use:-
+mymirrors=( \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr:/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://ftp.LinuxCabal.org/Mageia/distrib">rsync://ftp.LinuxCabal.org/Mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/distrib">rsync://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://mirrors.kernel.org:/mirrors/mageia/distrib">rsync://mirrors.kernel.org:/mirrors/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+&quot;<A HREF="rsync://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia/distrib">rsync://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia/distrib</A>&quot; \
+)
+# Set limit for loss of # of files on server before it is skipped
+allowdropfiles=100
+###################
+# Personal config:-
+myexcludes=&quot;--exclude=debug --exclude=SRPMS --exclude=barjac&quot;
+mydestination=&quot;/zmrepo/pub/linux/Mageia/&quot;
+###################
+
+# Get minimum file count for mirror (set at allowdropfiles files less than the last actual file count)
+[[ -f .cronsync ]] || echo &quot;140000&quot; &gt; $HOME/.cronsync
+minfiles=$(cat .cronsync)
+((actualfiles = $minfiles + $allowdropfiles))
+# Check a mirror
+chk_mirror()
+{
+echo &quot;Checking $1 ...&quot;
+chkout=$(rsync -rlptgoDhHSn \
+--stats \
+--delete-after \
+--delete \
+--delete-excluded \
+--protect-args \
+$myexcludes \
+&quot;$1&quot; \
+&quot;$mydestination&quot; | grep &quot;Number of files:&quot; )
+status1=&quot;$?&quot;
+files=$(echo $chkout | cut -d' ' -f4)
+[[ $files -lt $minfiles ]] &amp;&amp; echo &quot;$(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M): Only $files/$actualfiles files in $1 !&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+[[ $status1 &gt; 0 ]] &amp;&amp; echo &quot;$(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M): Error: $status1 while checking $1&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+([[ $status1 = 0 ]] &amp;&amp; [[ $files -gt $minfiles ]]) || return 1
+((chkcount = $files - $allowdropfiles))
+echo $chkcount &gt; $HOME/.cronsync
+return 0
+}
+
+# Loop through mirror list checking until one succeeds
+find_good_mirror()
+{
+for mirr in ${mymirrors[@]}; do
+chk_mirror $mirr
+[[ $? = 0 ]] &amp;&amp; { echo &quot;Found good mirror - $mirr&quot;; return 0; }
+done
+return 1
+}
+
+#=======================Main Program starts here=====================
+
+# Check if rsync is already running (maybe last cron sync taking for ever?)
+ps aux | grep -q [r]sync
+if [[ $? &gt; 0 ]]; then
+
+# Find a good mirror from the list (with files in it)
+find_good_mirror || { echo &quot;$(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M) Can't find a good mirror - aborting&quot; | tee -a $HOME/cronsync_error.log; exit 1; }
+
+echo &quot;Syncing from $mirr ...&quot;
+
+# Live run with --max-delete set to 1000 just in case ;)
+rsync -rlptgoDhHS \
+--progress \
+--stats \
+--delete-after \
+--delete \
+--max-delete=1000 \
+--delete-excluded \
+--protect-args \
+$myexcludes \
+&quot;$mirr&quot; \
+&quot;$mydestination&quot; | tee $HOME/cronsync_last.log
+
+status=$?
+[[ $status = 0 ]] &amp;&amp; { echo &quot;Update complete&quot;; exit 0; }
+[[ $status &gt; 0 ]] &amp;&amp; { echo &quot;Live run error - $(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M) = $status&quot; &gt;&gt; $HOME/cronsync_error.log; exit 1; }
+else
+echo &quot;rsync already running, skipping update - $(date +%d/%m/%Y-%H:%M)&quot; &gt;&gt; $HOME/cronsync_error.log
+exit 1
+fi
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Johnny A. Solbu</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Distrib-coffee%20big%20failure%20of%20the%20century&In-Reply-To=%3C201210312353.53693.cooker%40solbu.net%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century">cooker at solbu.net
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+ <I>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 31 October 2012 23:29, Barry Jackson wrote:
+&gt;<i> I wrote the attached script. It checks several mirrors until it finds
+</I>&gt;<i> one that has the normal number of files and does not fail for any other
+</I>&gt;<i> reason.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> If you feel inclined to use it please feel free to suggest any improvements.
+</I>
+The script was caught in one of my spam and attachment protection cript, Anomy.
+One of the first lines was mangled. So if you could repost that second line, I'd be gratefull.
+===
+#!/bin/sh
+echo DEFANGED.266
+exit
+===
+
+--
+Johnny A. Solbu
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324
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+<LI><A HREF="019117.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
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+<LI><A HREF="019118.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
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+<LI><A HREF="019140.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
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+<LI><A HREF="019292.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
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+<LI><A HREF="019313.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
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+<I>AL13N
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+<I>AL13N
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019366.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
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+<I>AL13N
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019382.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
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+<I>AL13N
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+<LI><A HREF="019397.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
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+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019511.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
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+
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+</A><A NAME="19554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019555.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
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+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019616.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019621.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
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+<I>AL13N
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+<I>AL13N
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+<LI><A HREF="019065.html">[Mageia-dev] build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
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+<LI><A HREF="019187.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019132.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019142.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019175.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19175">&nbsp;</A>
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+</A><A NAME="19188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="19221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="019224.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019370.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019394.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+
+<LI><A HREF="019447.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+</A><A NAME="19604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="019606.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019618.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
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+<LI><A HREF="019636.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019680.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019681.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019689.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019701.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019216.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shapelib-1.3.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019235.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release marble-4.9.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019293.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019333.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019335.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019516.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019143.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019273.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019471.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019577.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019625.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019223.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019225.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019264.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019269.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019270.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019271.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019272.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019290.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019323.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-net-1.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019334.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019399.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019400.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019401.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019412.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019413.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019416.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019441.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019446.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019448.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019470.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019490.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019534.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019565.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019572.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019626.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019628.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019647.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019648.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019670.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019071.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019074.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019084.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019122.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019125.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019129.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019131.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019134.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019139.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019144.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019146.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019149.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019150.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019153.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019182.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019192.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019193.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019199.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019201.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019202.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019204.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019243.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019320.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019480.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019494.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019535.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019553.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019566.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019587.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019599.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019602.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019605.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019627.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019632.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019189.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove new shapelib packages from repos
+</A><A NAME="19189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019261.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019263.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019275.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019283.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019287.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019486.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019488.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019497.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019496.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019498.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019499.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019528.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019518.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019526.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019529.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019549.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019672.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019304.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019151.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Getting on with the change
+</A><A NAME="19177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019215.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019251.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019274.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019502.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019547.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019570.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019623.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019206.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019512.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019262.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019710.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019085.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019319.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019321.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019345.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019474.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019500.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019506.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019532.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019542.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019551.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019567.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019121.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019123.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019158.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019161.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019166.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019171.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019190.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019196.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019198.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019200.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019203.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019205.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019376.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019378.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019481.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019568.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019597.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019600.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019611.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019631.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019677.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019699.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019067.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019069.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019111.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019112.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019135.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019157.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019162.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019210.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019213.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019245.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019265.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019278.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019286.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019297.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019301.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019324.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019342.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019379.html">[Mageia-dev] libtool problem: No relink_command for g++ compiled lib.
+</A><A NAME="19379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019383.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019392.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019396.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019404.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019408.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019418.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019420.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019427.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019439.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019449.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019458.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019473.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019475.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019492.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019531.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019539.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019540.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019581.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Persistent journal logs now enabled.
+</A><A NAME="19581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019594.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019603.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: New initscripts in testing
+</A><A NAME="19650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019658.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019659.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019674.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019675.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019676.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019678.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019704.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019562.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019239.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019550.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019575.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019172.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019214.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019246.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019525.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019302.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019307.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019350.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019544.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019580.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019669.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019673.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019712.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019087.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019356.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019371.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019386.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019442.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019444.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019409.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019508.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019281.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019288.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019124.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019127.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019159.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019485.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019346.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019348.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019368.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019369.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019464.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019491.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019495.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019167.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019168.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019303.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019310.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019337.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019340.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019343.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019377.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019381.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019601.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019120.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019128.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019141.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019174.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019651.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019653.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019229.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019230.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019233.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019234.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019258.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019268.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019285.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019344.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019352.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019387.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019435.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019487.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019515.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019588.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019590.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019596.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019533.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019552.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019557.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019453.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019465.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019483.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release bison-2.6.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019644.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019645.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019472.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019242.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019077.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019088.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019091.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019097.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019101.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019066.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019072.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019073.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019082.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019086.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019259.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019336.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019347.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019457.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019484.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019136.html">[Mageia-dev] Maeeting postponed
+</A><A NAME="19136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019137.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019306.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019314.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019332.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 2 finally out
+</A><A NAME="19332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019338.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019363.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 planning
+</A><A NAME="19363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019380.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019504.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019507.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019617.html">[Mageia-dev] Avoiding Conflicts (All Teams)
+</A><A NAME="19617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019667.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019080.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="19080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019138.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel 3.4.11 patched with Wacom Intuos 5 supported (wacom driver backported from 3.5.4)
+</A><A NAME="19138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019096.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019109.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019115.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019148.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019173.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019543.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019556.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019637.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019705.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019708.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019536.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019255.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019693.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019695.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019707.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019411.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019156.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019169.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019240.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019668.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019076.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019079.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019081.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019098.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019099.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019100.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019107.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019108.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019114.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019119.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019155.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019165.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019183.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019191.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019197.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019211.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019220.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019277.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019361.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019452.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019530.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019598.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019613.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019641.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019642.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019656.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019660.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019691.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019696.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019698.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019433.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019237.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019478.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019219.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019227.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019126.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019130.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019133.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019160.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019163.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019180.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019181.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019194.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019195.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019207.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019257.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019260.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019280.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019284.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019311.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019327.html">[Mageia-dev] What hapened to check.mageia.org?
+</A><A NAME="19327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019375.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019402.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019410.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019432.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019461.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019477.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019493.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019545.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019548.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019558.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019559.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019560.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019585.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019586.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019589.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019591.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019608.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019629.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019633.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019638.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019661.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019664.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019665.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019671.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019682.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019713.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019179.html">[Mageia-dev] need help to build 389-ds-base
+</A><A NAME="19179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019329.html">[Mageia-dev] liblzma bug
+</A><A NAME="19329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019685.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019212.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019247.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019249.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019254.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019462.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019463.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019476.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019083.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019089.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019351.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019489.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019520.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019527.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019593.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019607.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019666.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019064.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019068.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019070.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019075.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019294.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019424.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019178.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019145.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019147.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019546.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019571.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019620.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019218.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release postgresql9.2-9.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019078.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019170.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019176.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120929.3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019222.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019238.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019276.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019305.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019322.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release svgalib-1.9.25-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019341.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019349.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019367.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6240] various optimizations from mdv svn
+</A><A NAME="19367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019415.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019455.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release acoustid-fingerprinter-0.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-4.100.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Linux-Personality-0.10.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019522.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Bootstrap-Perl-0.70.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-Remote-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019524.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk-sharp3-2.99.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019538.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-TestSuite-Benchmark-Perl-Formance-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019609.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019231.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019266.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019295.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019296.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ibus-1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019365.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019385.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-user-docs-3.6.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019389.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019403.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019419.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019431.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019445.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019513.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019646.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019649.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019679.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019688.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019690.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019694.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019697.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019395.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019505.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019561.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019563.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: No bluetooth-sendto support for obexd &gt;= 0.47
+</A><A NAME="19563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019564.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019308.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019398.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019388.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019391.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019622.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019657.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019384.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019390.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019425.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019517.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019519.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019537.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019583.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019584.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019686.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019700.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019209.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019217.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019501.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019573.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019574.html">[Mageia-dev] Calling all astronomers both amateur and professional
+</A><A NAME="19574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019615.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019630.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019687.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019692.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019702.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019706.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019709.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019092.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019095.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019102.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019103.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019104.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019105.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019113.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019228.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019232.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019612.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019614.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019654.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019655.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019208.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019241.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019256.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019373.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019438.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019479.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019569.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019634.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019640.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019643.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019652.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019683.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019684.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019406.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019595.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019289.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019309.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019282.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019090.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019094.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019110.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019164.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019226.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019244.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019291.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019364.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019152.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019250.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019253.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019316.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019430.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019434.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019436.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019619.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019639.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:54:00 CET 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>October 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 1 08:15:25 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 650<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019064.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019065.html">[Mageia-dev] build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019066.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019067.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019069.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019068.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019070.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019071.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019072.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019073.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019074.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019076.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019075.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019077.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019078.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019079.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019080.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="19080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019081.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019082.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019083.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019084.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019085.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019086.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019087.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019088.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019089.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019090.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019091.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019092.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019094.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019095.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019096.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019097.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019098.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019099.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019100.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019101.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019102.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019103.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019104.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019105.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019106.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019107.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019108.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019109.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019110.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019111.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019112.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019113.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019114.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019115.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019116.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019117.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019118.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019119.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019120.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019121.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019122.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019123.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019124.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019125.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019126.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019127.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019128.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019129.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019130.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019131.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019132.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019133.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019134.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019135.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019136.html">[Mageia-dev] Maeeting postponed
+</A><A NAME="19136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019137.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019138.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel 3.4.11 patched with Wacom Intuos 5 supported (wacom driver backported from 3.5.4)
+</A><A NAME="19138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019139.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019140.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019141.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019142.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019143.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019144.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019145.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019146.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019147.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019148.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019149.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019150.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019151.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019152.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019153.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019155.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019156.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019157.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019158.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019159.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019160.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019161.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019162.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019163.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019164.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019165.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019166.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019167.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019168.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019169.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019170.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019171.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019172.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019173.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019174.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019175.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019176.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Getting on with the change
+</A><A NAME="19177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019178.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019179.html">[Mageia-dev] need help to build 389-ds-base
+</A><A NAME="19179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019180.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019181.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019182.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019183.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120929.3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019187.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019206.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019188.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019189.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove new shapelib packages from repos
+</A><A NAME="19189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019190.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019191.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019192.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019193.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019194.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019195.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019196.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019197.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019198.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019199.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019200.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019201.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019202.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019203.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019204.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019205.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019207.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019208.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019209.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019210.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019211.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019212.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019213.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019214.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019215.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019216.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shapelib-1.3.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019217.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019218.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019219.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019220.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019221.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019222.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019223.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019224.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019225.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019226.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019227.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019228.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019229.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019230.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019231.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019232.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019233.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019234.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019235.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release marble-4.9.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019237.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019238.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019239.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019240.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019242.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019241.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019243.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019244.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019245.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019246.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019247.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019249.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019250.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019251.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019252.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019253.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019254.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019255.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019256.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019257.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019258.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019259.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019260.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019261.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019262.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019263.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019264.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019265.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019266.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019268.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019269.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019270.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019271.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019272.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019273.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019274.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019275.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019276.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019277.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019278.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019280.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019281.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019282.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019283.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019284.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019285.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019286.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019287.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019288.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019289.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019290.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019291.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019292.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019293.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019294.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019295.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019296.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019297.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019301.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019302.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019303.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019304.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019305.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019306.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019307.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019308.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019309.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019310.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019311.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019313.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019314.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019316.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019319.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019320.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019321.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019322.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019323.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019324.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-net-1.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019327.html">[Mageia-dev] What hapened to check.mageia.org?
+</A><A NAME="19327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019328.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019329.html">[Mageia-dev] liblzma bug
+</A><A NAME="19329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release svgalib-1.9.25-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019332.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 2 finally out
+</A><A NAME="19332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019333.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019334.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019335.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019336.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019337.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019338.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ibus-1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019340.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019341.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019342.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019343.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019344.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019345.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019346.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019347.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019348.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019349.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019350.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019351.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019352.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019356.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019361.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019363.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 planning
+</A><A NAME="19363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019364.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019365.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019366.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019367.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6240] various optimizations from mdv svn
+</A><A NAME="19367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019368.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019369.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019370.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019371.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019373.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019375.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019376.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019377.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019378.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019379.html">[Mageia-dev] libtool problem: No relink_command for g++ compiled lib.
+</A><A NAME="19379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019380.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019381.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019382.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019383.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019384.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019385.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-user-docs-3.6.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019386.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019387.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019388.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019389.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019390.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019391.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019392.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019394.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019395.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019396.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019397.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019398.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019399.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019400.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019401.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019402.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019403.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019404.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019406.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019408.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019409.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019410.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019411.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019412.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019413.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019415.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019416.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019418.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019419.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019420.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019425.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019424.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release postgresql9.2-9.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019427.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019430.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019431.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019432.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019433.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019434.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019435.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019436.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019438.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019439.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019441.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019442.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019444.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019445.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019446.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019447.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019448.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019449.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019452.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019453.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019455.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019457.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019464.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019458.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release acoustid-fingerprinter-0.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019461.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019462.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019463.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019465.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019470.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019471.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019472.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019474.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019473.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019475.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019476.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019477.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019478.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019479.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019480.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019481.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019483.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release bison-2.6.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019484.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019485.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019486.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019487.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019488.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019489.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019491.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019490.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019494.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019495.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019492.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019493.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019497.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019496.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019498.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019499.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019500.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019501.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019502.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019504.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019506.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019505.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019507.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019508.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019511.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019512.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019513.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-4.100.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019515.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019516.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019518.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019517.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019519.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019520.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Linux-Personality-0.10.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019522.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Bootstrap-Perl-0.70.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-Remote-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019524.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk-sharp3-2.99.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019525.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019526.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019527.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019528.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019529.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019530.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019531.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019532.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019533.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019534.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019535.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019536.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019537.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019539.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019538.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019540.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-TestSuite-Benchmark-Perl-Formance-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019542.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019543.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019544.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019545.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019546.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019547.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019548.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019549.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019550.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019551.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019552.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019553.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019554.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019555.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019556.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019557.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019558.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019559.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019560.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019561.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019562.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019563.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: No bluetooth-sendto support for obexd &gt;= 0.47
+</A><A NAME="19563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019564.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019565.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019566.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019567.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019568.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019569.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019570.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019571.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019572.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019573.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019574.html">[Mageia-dev] Calling all astronomers both amateur and professional
+</A><A NAME="19574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019575.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019577.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019580.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019581.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Persistent journal logs now enabled.
+</A><A NAME="19581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019583.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019584.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019585.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019586.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019587.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019588.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019589.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019590.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019591.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019593.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019594.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019595.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019596.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019597.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019598.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019599.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019600.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019601.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019602.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019603.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019604.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019605.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019606.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019607.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019608.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019609.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019611.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019612.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019615.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019613.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019614.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019616.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019617.html">[Mageia-dev] Avoiding Conflicts (All Teams)
+</A><A NAME="19617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019618.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019619.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019620.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019621.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019622.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019623.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019624.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019625.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019626.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019627.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019628.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019629.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019630.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019631.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019632.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019633.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019634.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019636.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019637.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019638.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019639.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019640.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019641.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019642.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019643.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019644.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019645.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019646.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019647.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019648.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019649.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: New initscripts in testing
+</A><A NAME="19650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019651.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019652.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019653.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019654.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019655.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019656.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019657.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019658.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019659.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019660.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019661.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019662.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019663.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019664.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019665.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019666.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019667.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019668.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019669.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019670.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019671.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019672.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019673.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019674.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019675.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019676.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019677.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019678.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019679.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019680.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019681.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019682.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019683.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019684.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019685.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019686.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019687.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019688.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019689.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019690.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019691.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019692.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019693.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019694.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019695.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019696.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019697.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019698.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019699.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019700.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019701.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019702.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019704.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019705.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019707.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019706.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019708.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019709.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019710.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019712.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019713.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:54:00 CET 2012</i>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>October 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 1 08:15:25 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 650<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019532.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019536.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019542.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019567.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019434.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019435.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019436.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019238.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019245.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019252.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019305.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019308.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019311.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019452.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release acoustid-fingerprinter-0.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019483.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release bison-2.6.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019159.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019170.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-net-1.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019295.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019304.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019306.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019296.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019524.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk-sharp3-2.99.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019594.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019618.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019636.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019346.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019369.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019370.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019373.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019348.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019356.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019361.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019368.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019371.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019453.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019479.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release marble-4.9.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120929.3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019264.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019265.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019270.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019522.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Bootstrap-Perl-0.70.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Linux-Personality-0.10.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-4.100.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-Remote-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-TestSuite-Benchmark-Perl-Formance-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release postgresql9.2-9.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019413.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019415.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019416.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019420.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release svgalib-1.9.25-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019455.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019464.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019461.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019462.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019322.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019323.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019324.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019385.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-user-docs-3.6.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019505.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ibus-1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019710.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019364.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019365.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019176.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019465.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019427.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019140.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019598.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019609.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019613.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019656.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019274.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019293.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019438.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Getting on with the change
+</A><A NAME="19177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019223.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019225.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019269.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019222.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019224.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019226.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019367.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6240] various optimizations from mdv svn
+</A><A NAME="19367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019247.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019249.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019250.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019253.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019254.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019255.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019314.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019316.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019319.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019320.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019321.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: New initscripts in testing
+</A><A NAME="19650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019581.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Persistent journal logs now enabled.
+</A><A NAME="19581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019219.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019220.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019227.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019103.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019106.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019081.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019092.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019095.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019098.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019099.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019100.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019102.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019104.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019108.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019111.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019116.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019135.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019105.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019107.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019112.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019113.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019117.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019119.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019218.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019246.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019501.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019502.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019504.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019506.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019507.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019517.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019573.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019575.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019617.html">[Mageia-dev] Avoiding Conflicts (All Teams)
+</A><A NAME="19617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019493.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019500.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019390.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019394.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019401.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019289.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019301.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019309.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019257.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019258.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019065.html">[Mageia-dev] build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019077.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019078.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019083.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019574.html">[Mageia-dev] Calling all astronomers both amateur and professional
+</A><A NAME="19574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019687.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019691.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019692.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019698.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019702.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019705.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019706.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019708.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019709.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019425.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019424.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019383.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019388.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019389.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019391.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019392.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019395.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019396.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019397.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019398.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019400.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019403.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019404.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019406.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019408.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019412.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019458.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019472.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019475.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019666.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019668.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019669.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019670.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019671.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019673.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019677.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019712.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019713.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019562.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019569.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019207.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019212.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019208.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019210.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019211.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019213.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019551.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019555.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019228.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019229.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019230.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019232.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019233.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019235.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019259.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019518.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019520.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019526.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019527.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019529.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019530.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019531.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019137.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019139.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019141.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019142.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019143.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019144.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019145.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019146.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019147.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019149.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019151.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019152.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019153.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019156.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019302.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019303.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019307.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019310.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019313.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019350.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019280.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019284.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019260.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019261.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019262.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019263.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019275.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019283.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019286.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019287.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019085.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019564.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019570.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019563.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: No bluetooth-sendto support for obexd &gt;= 0.47
+</A><A NAME="19563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019187.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019188.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019221.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019067.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019069.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019216.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shapelib-1.3.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019611.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019646.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019699.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019241.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019256.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019271.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019231.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019244.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019266.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019382.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019411.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019292.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019334.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019272.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019273.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019276.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019335.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019337.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019338.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019341.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019138.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel 3.4.11 patched with Wacom Intuos 5 supported (wacom driver backported from 3.5.4)
+</A><A NAME="19138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019329.html">[Mageia-dev] liblzma bug
+</A><A NAME="19329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019379.html">[Mageia-dev] libtool problem: No relink_command for g++ compiled lib.
+</A><A NAME="19379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019294.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019297.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019136.html">[Mageia-dev] Maeeting postponed
+</A><A NAME="19136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019375.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019399.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019402.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019409.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019410.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019430.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019432.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019332.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 2 finally out
+</A><A NAME="19332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019363.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 planning
+</A><A NAME="19363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019559.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019560.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019561.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019488.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019489.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019491.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019490.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019494.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019492.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019497.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019496.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019498.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019499.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019508.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019511.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019528.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019179.html">[Mageia-dev] need help to build 389-ds-base
+</A><A NAME="19179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019328.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019349.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019351.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019352.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019366.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019076.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019079.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019096.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019109.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019277.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019278.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019533.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019534.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019535.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019544.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019545.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019546.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019548.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019552.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019553.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019557.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019565.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019566.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019571.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019572.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019519.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019537.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019539.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019538.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019540.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019612.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019614.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019616.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019619.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019625.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019639.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019653.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019654.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019655.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019686.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019700.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019701.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019189.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove new shapelib packages from repos
+</A><A NAME="19189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019342.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019343.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019340.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019209.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019215.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019217.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019251.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019080.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="19080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019114.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019115.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019118.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019120.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019121.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019122.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019123.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019124.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019125.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019126.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019127.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019128.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019129.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019130.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019131.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019132.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019133.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019134.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019148.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019150.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019155.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019157.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019158.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019160.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019161.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019162.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019163.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019164.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019165.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019166.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019167.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019168.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019169.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019171.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019173.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019174.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019175.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019180.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019181.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019182.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019183.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019190.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019191.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019192.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019193.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019194.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019195.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019196.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019197.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019198.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019199.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019200.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019201.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019202.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019203.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019204.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019205.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019543.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019547.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019556.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019558.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019568.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019615.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019620.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019621.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019622.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019623.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019624.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019626.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019627.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019628.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019629.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019630.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019631.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019632.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019633.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019634.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019637.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019638.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019640.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019641.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019642.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019643.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019644.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019645.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019647.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019648.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019649.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019651.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019652.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019661.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019662.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019664.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019665.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019683.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019684.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019667.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019679.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019681.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019682.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019689.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019690.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019418.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019419.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019431.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019433.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019439.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019441.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019444.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019445.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019446.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019447.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019448.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019449.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019583.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019584.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019585.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019586.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019587.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019588.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019589.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019590.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019591.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019593.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019595.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019596.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019597.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019599.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019600.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019601.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019602.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019603.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019604.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019605.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019606.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019607.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019608.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019659.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019663.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019658.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019660.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019674.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019688.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019693.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019694.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019695.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019696.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019697.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019704.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019707.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019580.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019234.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019237.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019239.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019240.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019242.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019243.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019268.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019281.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019282.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019285.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019172.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019178.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019214.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019672.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019675.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019676.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019678.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019680.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019549.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019550.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019554.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019064.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019066.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019068.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019070.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019071.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019072.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019073.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019074.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019075.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019082.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019084.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019086.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019087.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019288.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019290.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019291.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019685.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019657.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019380.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019381.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019333.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019336.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019344.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019345.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019347.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019384.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019386.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019387.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019442.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019457.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019463.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019577.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019376.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019377.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019378.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019088.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019089.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019090.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019091.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019094.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019097.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019101.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019110.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019206.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019470.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019471.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019474.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019473.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019476.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019477.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019478.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019480.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019481.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019484.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019485.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019486.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019487.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019495.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019512.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019513.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019515.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019516.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019525.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="019327.html">[Mageia-dev] What hapened to check.mageia.org?
+</A><A NAME="19327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:54:00 CET 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>October 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 1 08:15:25 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 31 23:53:48 CET 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 650<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01349072125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019064.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349076584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019065.html">[Mageia-dev] build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349076584-01349340304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019187.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liutauras Adomaitis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349076584-01349340304-01349341898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019188.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349076584-01349340304-01349341898-01349610380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019221.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: build problems with x86_64-mageia-linux-gnu-ar
+</A><A NAME="19221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349077251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019066.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349077251-01349081618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019068.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349077251-01349081618-01349083457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019072.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01349077251-01349081618-01349097218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019087.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349080136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019067.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349080136-01349080974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019069.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Distributor notes about GNOME 3.6.0
+</A><A NAME="19069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349082589- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019070.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349082589-01349083430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019071.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019073.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897-01349084905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019074.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897-01349084905-01349088186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019075.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897-01349084905-01349090500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019082.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897-01349084905-01349090500-01349093894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019084.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349082589-01349083430-01349083897-01349084905-01349090500-01349093894-01349094576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019086.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349087695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019076.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349088228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019077.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349088228-01349088595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019078.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349088228-01349088595-01349091816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019083.html">[Mageia-dev] build system doesn't use the last ocaml compiler uploaded
+</A><A NAME="19083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349089154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019079.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349089154-01349110297- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019096.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349089470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019080.html">[Mageia-dev] Real Time Kernel version
+</A><A NAME="19080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349090316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019081.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349090316-01349105210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019092.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019098.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349114494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019099.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349119003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019103.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349119003-01349120606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019104.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349119003-01349120606-01349123694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019106.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349119003-01349120606-01349123694-01349124572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019108.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349141084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019111.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349141084-01349173028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019116.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349105210-01349113537-01349141084-01349173028-01349188324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019135.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349090316-01349106388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019095.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019100.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019102.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - One step further
+</A><A NAME="19102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019105.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301-01349124093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019107.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301-01349124093-01349141475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019112.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301-01349124093-01349141475-01349164007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019113.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301-01349124093-01349141475-01349173095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019117.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349090316-01349106388-01349114528-01349117238-01349121301-01349124093-01349141475-01349173095-01349176310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019119.html">[Mageia-dev] Any progress on the NFS mount problem? - SOLVED
+</A><A NAME="19119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349094000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019085.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: PHP maintenance
+</A><A NAME="19085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349103329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019088.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349103329-01349103550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019089.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349103329-01349103850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019090.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349103329-01349103850-01349104556- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019091.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349103329-01349103850-01349104556-01349106137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019094.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349103850-01349104556-01349106137-01349112774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019097.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349103850-01349104556-01349106137-01349116758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019101.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349103850-01349104556-01349106137-01349116758-01349130199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019110.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349103329-01349341003- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019206.html">[Mageia-dev] version scheme blocks mgarepo submit
+</A><A NAME="19206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>EatDirt
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019207.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445-01349417583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019208.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445-01349417583-01349442423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019210.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445-01349417583-01349442423-01349445241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019211.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445-01349417583-01349442423-01349445241-01349449225- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019212.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349103329-01349341003-01349414445-01349417583-01349442423-01349445241-01349449225-01349451360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019213.html">[Mageia-dev] epoch number [Was: version scheme blocks mgarepo submit]
+</A><A NAME="19213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349105642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019093.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: RPM group Policy change taking effect
+</A><A NAME="19093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349128918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019109.html">[Mageia-dev] need some help to build a linuxsampler.rpm
+</A><A NAME="19109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349165026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019114.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349165026-01349166059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019115.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01349166059-01349176766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019120.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349165026-01349173254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019118.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349165026-01349177198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019121.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01349177198-01349178634- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019122.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349178634-01349179376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019123.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019124.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019125.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184260- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019127.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184260-01349184808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019129.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019130.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349185656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019131.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019132.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019133.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019134.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019148.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349216348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019150.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019155.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349254331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019157.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349254331-01349260746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019158.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349254331-01349272266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019164.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019160.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349269766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019161.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019162.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019163.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019165.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349273998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019166.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349273998-01349274758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019168.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349273998-01349274758-01349277160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019171.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349274049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019167.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349274049-01349275007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019169.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349274049-01349275007-01349281574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019173.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349287184- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019174.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349287184-01349289279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019175.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019180.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019182.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019190.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349356989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019191.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349356989-01349362222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019193.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349356989-01349362222-01349363416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019197.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019192.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349362662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019195.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019196.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019199.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490-01349363822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019200.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490-01349363822-01349364580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019202.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490-01349363822-01349364580-01349365953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019203.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490-01349363822-01349364580-01349365953-01349367757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019204.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349361974-01349363238-01349363490-01349363822-01349364580-01349365953-01349367757-01349370788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019205.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349362486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019194.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349362486-01349363443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019198.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349324802-01349332156-01349349787-01349362486-01349363443-01349364070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019201.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349325077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019181.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349182683-01349184952-01349186146-01349187137-01349187390-01349215109-01349250048-01349269261-01349270028-01349270707-01349273258-01349325077-01349336018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019183.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349183849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019126.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01349177198-01349179412-01349183849-01349184340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019128.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349165026-01351270069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019543.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01351270069-01351282623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019547.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351282623-01351292349- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019556.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351282623-01351292349-01351299103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019558.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351282623-01351292349-01351299103-01351362549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019568.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351282623-01351292349-01351590571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019649.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019615.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019620.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544-01351546459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019621.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544-01351546459-01351546815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019622.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544-01351546459-01351546815-01351585443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019642.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544-01351546459-01351546880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019623.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351545544-01351546459-01351547068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019624.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019626.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019627.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019628.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706-01351559519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019632.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706-01351559519-01351560723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019633.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706-01351559519-01351560723-01351624379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019662.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706-01351559519-01351560723-01351624379-01351625587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019665.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351555706-01351559519-01351589923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019648.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019630.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019634.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351564808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019637.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351564808-01351583911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019640.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351564808-01351583911-01351586151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019644.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351564808-01351583911-01351586151-01351595515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019652.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351566156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019638.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351566156-01351585808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019643.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351566156-01351585808-01351623705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019661.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351561455-01351566156-01351585808-01351623705-01351648101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019683.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351554335-01351557142-01351594826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019651.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351556243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019629.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019631.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242-01351585254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019641.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242-01351585254-01351586226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019645.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242-01351585254-01351586226-01351588582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019647.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242-01351585254-01351586226-01351624916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019664.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351270069-01351539178-01351549248-01351557242-01351585254-01351586226-01351624916-01351648648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019684.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue
+</A><A NAME="19684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349165026-01351675397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019687.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019691.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019692.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019698.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257-01351698433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019702.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257-01351698433-01351710023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019705.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257-01351698433-01351710023-01351711249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019706.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257-01351698433-01351710023-01351711249-01351713679- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019708.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>PhilippeDidier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349165026-01351675397-01351683617-01351684644-01351689257-01351698433-01351710023-01351714176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019709.html">[Mageia-dev] cinelerra/audiokonverter/arista (war Re: rehashing the faac issue)
+</A><A NAME="19709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christiaan Welvaart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349192432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019136.html">[Mageia-dev] Maeeting postponed
+</A><A NAME="19136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349193483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019137.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349193483-01349201381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019139.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349193483-01349201440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019140.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349193483-01349203049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019141.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349193483-01349203049-01349203668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019142.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349193483-01349208223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019143.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349193483-01349210857- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019144.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349193483-01349210857-01349212389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019145.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349193483-01349210857-01349212389-01349213388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019146.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349193483-01349210857-01349212389-01349213388-01349214868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019147.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349193483-01349210857-01349212389-01349213388-01349214868-01349216007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019149.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349193483-01349216784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019151.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349193483-01349247658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019152.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349193483-01349247658-01349248692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019153.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01349193483-01349247658-01349250315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019156.html">[Mageia-dev] Final set of isos for Mageia 3
+</A><A NAME="19156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349200450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019138.html">[Mageia-dev] Kernel 3.4.11 patched with Wacom Intuos 5 supported (wacom driver backported from 3.5.4)
+</A><A NAME="19138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jehan Pag&#232;s
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349249642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019154.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release flrig-1.3.08-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349268652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019159.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349268652-01349276957- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019170.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-installer-stage2-14.46.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349277949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019172.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349277949-01349321204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019178.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349277949-01349321204-01349456955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019214.html">[Mageia-dev] Suspending package maintainership
+</A><A NAME="19214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349289469- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019176.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349289469-01349336391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019185.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349289469-01349336391-01349336832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019186.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release bluez-firmware-1.2-7.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349291539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019177.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Getting on with the change
+</A><A NAME="19177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349324405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019179.html">[Mageia-dev] need help to build 389-ds-base
+</A><A NAME="19179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349336310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019184.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-0.git20120929.3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349346995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019189.html">[Mageia-dev] Please remove new shapelib packages from repos
+</A><A NAME="19189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349441638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019209.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349441638-01349462732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019215.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349498480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019216.html">[Mageia-dev] Fwd: Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release shapelib-1.3.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349585270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019217.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349585270-01349731692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019251.html">[Mageia-dev] Radeonsi/glamor and python packages
+</A><A NAME="19251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349603135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019218.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349603135-01349722395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019246.html">[Mageia-dev] AppStream-Core 0.1 released! (forwarded from distributions at lists.freedesktop.org)
+</A><A NAME="19246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349604298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019219.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349604298-01349607850- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019220.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349604298-01349607850-01349685881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019227.html">[Mageia-dev] ant using Sun Java?
+</A><A NAME="19227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Sj&#246;lin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349618363- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019222.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349648798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019223.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349648798-01349649488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019224.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349648798-01349649488-01349651347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019225.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349648798-01349649488-01349651347-01349655335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019226.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349648798-01349649488-01349651347-01349655335-01349820465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019269.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6180] make sure shared-mimoe-info is installed so . desktop files work in atleast GNOME
+</A><A NAME="19269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349698454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019228.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349698454-01349698794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019229.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349698454-01349698794-01349698885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019230.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349698454-01349698794-01349698885-01349700403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019232.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349698454-01349698794-01349698885-01349700403-01349700600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019233.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349698454-01349698794-01349698885-01349704320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019235.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349698454-01349698794-01349698885-01349704320-01349768425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019259.html">[Mageia-dev] Failed Cauldron update
+</A><A NAME="19259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349699959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019231.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349699959-01349713936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019241.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349699959-01349713936-01349716067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019244.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349699959-01349713936-01349716067-01349755722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019256.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349699959-01349713936-01349716067-01349755722-01349789967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019266.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349699959-01349821155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019271.html">[Mageia-dev] GNOME llvmpipe rendering in gnome-session-3.6.0-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349702836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019234.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349702836-01349707523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019237.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luiz Alberto Saba
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349702836-01349707523-01349712946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019242.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Miata
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349702836-01349707523-01349712946-01349714545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019243.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349702836-01349709603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019239.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349702836-01349709603-01349710141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019240.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349702836-01349709603-01349710141-01349816767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019268.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01349702836-01349709603-01349870900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019281.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349702836-01349871305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019282.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349702836-01349871305-01349875179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019285.html">[Mageia-dev] Support of grub2 in the installer/drakboot
+</A><A NAME="19285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349704518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019236.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release marble-4.9.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349708200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019238.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349708200-01349716659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019245.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019252.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019279.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019305.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299-01349972202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019308.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299-01349972202-01349973270- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019312.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299-01349973242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019311.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299-01349995095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019318.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349708200-01349716659-01349732555-01349862255-01349958299-01350078402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019325.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] 2 core/updates_testing drakx-installer-images-1.75-5.mga2
+</A><A NAME="19325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349727714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019247.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349727714-01349728227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019248.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349727714-01349728227-01349731126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019249.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349727714-01349728227-01349731126-01349733132- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019253.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349727714-01349728227-01349731126-01349733132-01349733784- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019254.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01349727714-01349728227-01349731197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019250.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01349727714-01349736989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019255.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding a new font to the default install
+</A><A NAME="19255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349759126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019257.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349759126-01349760352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019258.html">[Mageia-dev] Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;
+</A><A NAME="19258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019260.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019261.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019262.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019263.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019275.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275-01349867996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019280.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275-01349867996-01349873761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019283.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275-01349867996-01349873761-01349873988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019284.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275-01349867996-01349873761-01349877682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019286.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349759126-01349760352-01349770514-01349773703-01349774186-01349774578-01349851275-01349867996-01349873761-01349877682-01349879993- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019287.html">[Mageia-dev] Fixing shapelib [Was: Build error: &quot;/bin/ld: cannot find -lshp&quot;]
+</A><A NAME="19287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349780084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019264.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349780084-01349784488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019265.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349780084-01349801414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019267.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349780084-01349801414-01349820741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019270.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release mesa-9.0.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349821493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019272.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349821493-01349822676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019273.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349821493-01349853750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019276.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349821493-01349853750-01349891992- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019292.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01349821493-01349853750-01350258664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019334.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349821493-01349853750-01350258664-01350260368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019335.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349821493-01349853750-01350258664-01350284928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019337.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349821493-01349853750-01350258664-01350285316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019338.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349821493-01349853750-01350258664-01350285316-01350291767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019341.html">[Mageia-dev] iDevices support (was Re: [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release libimobiledevice-1.1.4-2.mga3)
+</A><A NAME="19341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349827341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019274.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349827341-01349915042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019293.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349827341-01350762514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019437.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349827341-01350762514-01350771515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019438.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] Dealing with Books/*
+</A><A NAME="19438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349854515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019277.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349854515-01349860549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019278.html">[Mageia-dev] Network-manager secret storage
+</A><A NAME="19278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349883069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019288.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349883069-01349887205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019290.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349883069-01349888441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019291.html">[Mageia-dev] The shiny new Control Center
+</A><A NAME="19291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349886847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019289.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349886847-01349948218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019301.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349886847-01349948218-01349972354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019309.html">[Mageia-dev] Bug 6514 need advice
+</A><A NAME="19309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349925970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019294.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349925970-01349943856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019297.html">[Mageia-dev] linux.conf.au
+</A><A NAME="19297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349943292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019295.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349943292-01349945221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019298.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019299.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292-01349947757- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019300.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292-01349947757-01349957977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019304.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>D.Morgan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292-01349947757-01349957977-01349967787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019306.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292-01349947757-01349957977-01349967787-01349986582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019315.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349943292-01349945221-01349947292-01349947757-01349957977-01349967787-01349986582-01349990845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019317.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-shell-3.6.0-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349943366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019296.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grub2-2.0-5.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01349953131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019302.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349953131-01349954961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019303.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349953131-01349954961-01349969575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019307.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349953131-01349954961-01349969575-01349972373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019310.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349953131-01349954961-01349969575-01349972373-01349978362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019313.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01349953131-01349954961-01349969575-01349972373-01349978362-01350309839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019350.html">[Mageia-dev] Firefox 16 - security issue - withdrawn
+</A><A NAME="19350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01349984031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019314.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01349984031-01349986674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019316.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01349984031-01350030007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019319.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01349984031-01350030007-01350032504- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019320.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01349984031-01350030007-01350032504-01350032962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019321.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 is very near
+</A><A NAME="19321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350038371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019322.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350038371-01350046075- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019323.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350038371-01350046075-01350052905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019324.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tcp_wrappers-7.6-42.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350078708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019326.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release drakx-net-1.16-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350101699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019327.html">[Mageia-dev] What hapened to check.mageia.org?
+</A><A NAME="19327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350150736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019328.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350150736-01350307564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019349.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350150736-01350307564-01350311133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019352.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350150736-01350309928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019351.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350150736-01350309928-01350336308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019366.html">[Mageia-dev] NEED REVIEW: drakdisk refresh feature
+</A><A NAME="19366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350163695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019329.html">[Mageia-dev] liblzma bug
+</A><A NAME="19329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350220737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019330.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release svgalib-1.9.25-8.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350221158- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019331.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350221158-01350316409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019354.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350221158-01350316409-01350321636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019357.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ocaml-4.00.1-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350246298- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019332.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 alpha 2 finally out
+</A><A NAME="19332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350249461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019333.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350249461-01350284629- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019336.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350249461-01350284629-01350300126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019344.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350249461-01350284629-01350300126-01350303028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019347.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01350249461-01350284629-01350300606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019345.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350249461-01350454130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019384.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350249461-01350454130-01350467843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019386.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350249461-01350454130-01350467843-01350470455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019387.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350249461-01350454130-01350467843-01350470455-01350845782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019442.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350249461-01350454130-01350467843-01350470455-01350845782-01350913290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019457.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350249461-01350454130-01350467843-01350470455-01350845782-01350913290-01350925751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019463.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350249461-01351429926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019577.html">[Mageia-dev] Update to KDE SC 4.9.2
+</A><A NAME="19577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350288148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019339.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release ibus-1.4.99.20121006-4.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350290864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019340.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350290864-01350292710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019342.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350290864-01350292710-01350294240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019343.html">[Mageia-dev] Problem with NetworkManager and system wide connections
+</A><A NAME="19343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350302067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019346.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350302067-01350311840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019353.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350302067-01350311840-01350340224- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019369.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350302067-01350311840-01350340224-01350340453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019370.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350302067-01350318978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019355.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350302067-01350318978-01350320815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019360.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01350302067-01350318978-01350355835- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019373.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350302067-01350318978-01350355835-01350484982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019393.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kremotecontrol-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350305326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019348.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350305326-01350318873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019356.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019358.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350322253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019359.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350322253-01350332112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019364.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zago
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350322253-01350332112-01350332388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019365.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350322253-01350332112-01350332388-01350341448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019372.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350326804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019361.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350326804-01350328520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019362.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350326804-01350328520-01350341326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019371.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350320846-01350326804-01350328520-01350341326-01350356810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019374.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019368.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019443.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959-01350882659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019450.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959-01350882659-01350883866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019451.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959-01350882659-01350883866-01350899301- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019453.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959-01350882659-01350883866-01350899301-01350899559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019454.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350305326-01350318873-01350339759-01350845959-01350882659-01350883866-01350899301-01350899559-01350949185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019479.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kwallet-4.9.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350328846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019363.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 planning
+</A><A NAME="19363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350337841- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019367.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6240] various optimizations from mdv svn
+</A><A NAME="19367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350357185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019375.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350357185-01350513226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019399.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350357185-01350513226-01350513664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019402.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350357185-01350513226-01350513664-01350578958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019409.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350357185-01350513226-01350513664-01350578958-01350580072- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019410.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350357185-01350513226-01350513664-01350578958-01350580072-01350665170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019430.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350357185-01350513226-01350513664-01350578958-01350580072-01350665170-01350672981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019432.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 2 - Security issiue
+</A><A NAME="19432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350386927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019376.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350386927-01350389352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019377.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350386927-01350389352-01350389933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019378.html">[Mageia-dev] urpmi --no-md5sum
+</A><A NAME="19378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350400047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019379.html">[Mageia-dev] libtool problem: No relink_command for g++ compiled lib.
+</A><A NAME="19379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350402128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019380.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350402128-01350402306- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019381.html">[Mageia-dev] Tonight's meeting
+</A><A NAME="19381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350417196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019382.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350417196-01350585126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019411.html">[Mageia-dev] how to get your scanner sharing working
+</A><A NAME="19411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeff Robins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350425049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019383.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350425049-01350472235- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019388.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019389.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350478930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019391.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350478930-01350479358- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019392.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350478930-01350479358-01350495684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019397.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019400.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350514176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019403.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350514176-01350514392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019404.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350514176-01350514392-01350590807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019412.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350514176-01350514392-01350590807-01350916733- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019458.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350557919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019406.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350425049-01350472235-01350473144-01350513407-01350557919-01350566599- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019408.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350425049-01350489264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019395.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350425049-01350489264-01350490126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019396.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350425049-01350498462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019398.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marja van Waes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350425049-01350943028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019472.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luc Menut
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350425049-01350943028-01350945095- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019475.html">[Mageia-dev] Deprecating pm-utils
+</A><A NAME="19475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350463460- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019385.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gnome-user-docs-3.6.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350477803- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019390.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350477803-01350486941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019394.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350477803-01350513607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019401.html">[Mageia-dev] Broken wayland in cauldron
+</A><A NAME="19401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350557326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019405.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350557326-01350561390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019407.html">[Mageia-dev] [soft-commits] [6305] Slovenian translation updated
+</A><A NAME="19407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filip Komar
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350591693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019413.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350591693-01350592277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019414.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350591693-01350592277-01350595427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019415.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350591693-01350592277-01350595427-01350598013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019416.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350591693-01350592277-01350595427-01350598013-01350640038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019420.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release squashfs-tools-4.2-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350602651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019417.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350602651-01350639539- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019418.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350602651-01350640021- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019419.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350602651-01350641827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019421.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350602651-01350641827-01350643408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019422.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350643408-01350854251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019444.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350643408-01350854251-01350861773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019449.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01350602651-01350641827-01350826469- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019441.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350826469-01350855797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019445.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350826469-01350855797-01350859532- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019446.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350826469-01350855797-01350859532-01350859809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019447.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350602651-01350641827-01350826469-01350855797-01350859532-01350859809-01350860942- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019448.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350602651-01350665373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019431.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350602651-01350678726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019433.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kamil Rytarowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350602651-01350678726-01350818467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019439.html">[Mageia-dev] Removing ConsoleKit
+</A><A NAME="19439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350651195- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019423.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release urpmi-7.10-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350653681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019424.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Steven Tucker
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350653681-01350653238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019425.html">[Mageia-dev] Control Center Progress
+</A><A NAME="19425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350653970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019426.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release postgresql9.2-9.2.1-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350659016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019427.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350659016-01350661352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019428.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350659016-01350661352-01350662427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019429.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350659016-01350661352-01350662427-01350821724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] cauldron core/release php-5.4.8-3.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350686060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019434.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350686060-01350686129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019435.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350686060-01350686129-01350686373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019436.html">[Mageia-dev] %cmake magic
+</A><A NAME="19436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350890977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019452.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350890977-01350971084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019482.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release 389-ds-base-1.2.11.15-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350905526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019455.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350905526-01350913422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019464.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350905526-01350918498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019460.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350905526-01350918498-01350919730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019461.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350905526-01350918498-01350919730-01350925649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019462.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350905526-01350937691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019468.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350905526-01350937691-01350939608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019469.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release taskcoach-1.3.20-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350906272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019456.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350906272-01350913376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019466.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release inxi-1.8.20-2.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350917347- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019459.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release acoustid-fingerprinter-0.6-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350929488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019465.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350929488-01350930663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019467.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron nonfree/release warsow-1.02-1.mga3.nonfree
+</A><A NAME="19467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350940553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019470.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350940553-01350941168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019471.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Luis Baptiste
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350943746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019474.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350944066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019473.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350946829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019476.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350940553-01350946829-01350949236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019480.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350940553-01350947854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019477.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350940553-01350947854-01350948180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019478.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350940553-01350954068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019481.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350977959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019484.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Angelo Naselli
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350978152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019485.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350979322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019486.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01350982645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019487.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01351002392- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019495.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01351109542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019512.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eatdirt
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01350940553-01351111813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019513.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350940553-01351111813-01351113102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019515.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350940553-01351111813-01351113102-01351113852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019516.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350940553-01351111813-01351113102-01351113852-01351188056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019525.html">[Mageia-dev] Welcome G&#246;tz!
+</A><A NAME="19525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01350977022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019483.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release bison-2.6.3-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01350996787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019488.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01350996787-01350998639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019489.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350996787-01350998639-01350998894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019491.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350998894-01351088113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019496.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350998894-01351088113-01351102328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019508.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jose Jorge
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350998894-01351088113-01351107098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019511.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350998894-01351207616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019528.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01350996787-01350998639-01350999441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019490.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350999441-01351003337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019492.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350999441-01351003337-01351088901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019499.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01350998639-01350999441-01351088844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019498.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01350996787-01351000478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019494.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019497.html">[Mageia-dev] Minimal mageia install
+</A><A NAME="19497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bruno Cornec
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019518.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019520.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943-01351198178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019526.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943-01351198178-01351203335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019527.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943-01351198178-01351203335-01351208035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019529.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943-01351198178-01351203335-01351208035-01351235441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019530.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01350996787-01351000478-01351087715-01351121499-01351149943-01351198178-01351203335-01351208035-01351239895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019531.html">[Mageia-dev] fdisk or gparted
+</A><A NAME="19531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351007749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019493.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351007749-01351089067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019500.html">[Mageia-dev] Bash Update revoked customized configuration
+</A><A NAME="19500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351090377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019501.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351090377-01351092916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019502.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351090377-01351093912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019504.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351090377-01351095473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019506.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351090377-01351095473-01351096630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019507.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351093072- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019503.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351093072-01351095687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019505.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release grsync-1.2.2-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351103058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019509.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351103058-01351105255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019510.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release tsocks-1.8-0.beta5.10.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351111990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019514.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-4.100.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351122138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019517.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351146025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019519.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351146025-01351258113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019537.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351146025-01351258113-01351259990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019539.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351146025-01351258113-01351259990-01351261407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019540.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01351146025-01351258113-01351261152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019538.html">[Mageia-dev] On binary version references requirements
+</A><A NAME="19538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351159084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019521.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Linux-Personality-0.10.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351159100- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019522.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-App-Bootstrap-Perl-0.70.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351159120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019523.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-Remote-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351159789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019524.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release gtk-sharp3-2.99.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351245189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019532.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351245189-01351253394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019536.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351245189-01351266690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019542.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351245189-01351266690-01351359552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019567.html">[Mageia-dev] &quot;App-CPAN2Pkg keeps failing on already available packages&quot; - https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=80418
+</A><A NAME="19567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351246791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019533.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351246791-01351248874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019534.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351246791-01351248874-01351251973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019535.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351251973-01351277309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019544.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351251973-01351277309-01351278231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019545.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351251973-01351277309-01351278231-01351282452- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019546.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351251973-01351277309-01351278231-01351282452-01351282959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019548.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019552.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019553.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227-01351293859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019557.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227-01351351673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019565.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227-01351351673-01351357247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019566.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227-01351351673-01351378750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019571.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351246791-01351248874-01351290106-01351291227-01351351673-01351378750-01351379892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019572.html">[Mageia-dev] Notes about live CD
+</A><A NAME="19572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351262988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019541.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release perl-Tapper-TestSuite-Benchmark-Perl-Formance-4.1.0-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351287410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019549.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351287410-01351287647- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019550.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351287410-01351291511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019554.html">[Mageia-dev] systemd and openvpn
+</A><A NAME="19554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351288732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019551.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351288732-01351291554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019555.html">[Mageia-dev] Establishing a Mageia Mirror in Israel
+</A><A NAME="19555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351300592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019559.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351300592-01351300675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019560.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351300592-01351317120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019561.html">[Mageia-dev] mgarepo question
+</A><A NAME="19561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351335892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019562.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351335892-01351363489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019569.html">[Mageia-dev] Duplicate reception of email messages
+</A><A NAME="19569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351342094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019563.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: No bluetooth-sendto support for obexd &gt;= 0.47
+</A><A NAME="19563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351342582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019564.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jani V&#228;limaa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351342582-01351377845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019570.html">[Mageia-dev] Fw: Changes in Categories in the XDG Desktop Menu Specification
+</A><A NAME="19570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351400336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019573.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351400336-01351409643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019575.html">[Mageia-dev] Asia-Pacific packager newbie needs mentor
+</A><A NAME="19575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351401406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019574.html">[Mageia-dev] Calling all astronomers both amateur and professional
+</A><A NAME="19574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joseph Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351425731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019576.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351425731-01351431400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019578.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351425731-01351431413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019579.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia versus Mageia.
+</A><A NAME="19579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351455792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019580.html">[Mageia-dev] Small project for a Python programmer
+</A><A NAME="19580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351464887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019581.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: Persistent journal logs now enabled.
+</A><A NAME="19581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351475587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019582.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351475587-01351500688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019592.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351475587-01351500688-01351505094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019594.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351475587-01351543086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019618.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351475587-01351543086-01351563862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019635.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351475587-01351543086-01351563862-01351564734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019636.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351475587-01351543086-01351563862-01351564734-01351700152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019703.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351475587-01351543086-01351563862-01351564734-01351700152-01351717755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019710.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Charles A Edwards
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351475587-01351543086-01351563862-01351564734-01351700152-01351717755-01351717990- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019711.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kernel-3.6.4-1.mga3
+</A><A NAME="19711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351495602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019583.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351495602-01351495863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019584.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351495602-01351495863-01351496866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019586.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351495602-01351495863-01351496866-01351497581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019587.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351495863-01351496866-01351499454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019588.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351495863-01351496866-01351499454-01351499706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019589.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351495602-01351496109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019585.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351495602-01351499762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019590.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019591.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019595.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jpbfree
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019596.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nicolas L&#233;cureuil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019597.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019599.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019600.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351515884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019601.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019602.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351518764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019603.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351518764-01351520292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019604.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351518764-01351520292-01351622277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019659.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351518764-01351520292-01351622277-01351624560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019663.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351518764-01351520488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019605.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351499762-01351500098-01351507128-01351507239-01351509977-01351512419-01351515007-01351517116-01351521695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019608.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351495602-01351501390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019593.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351495602-01351501390-01351520799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019606.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351495602-01351501390-01351520799-01351521446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019607.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351495602-01351501390-01351520799-01351521446-01351522968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019610.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository access problem?
+</A><A NAME="19610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351512230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019598.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351512230-01351522809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019609.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351512230-01351522809-01351539823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019613.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351512230-01351522809-01351539823-01351608064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019656.html">[Mageia-dev] [patch] use urpmi without root privileges to just download packages
+</A><A NAME="19656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351532606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019611.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351532606-01351588510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019646.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351532606-01351588510-01351696013- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019699.html">[Mageia-dev] GDM Configuration
+</A><A NAME="19699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351538986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019612.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351538986-01351545112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019619.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351538986-01351545112-01351547153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019625.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351538986-01351545112-01351547153-01351583146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019639.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>zezinho
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351538986-01351595808- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019653.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christian Lohmaier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351538986-01351595808-01351599107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019654.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351540367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019614.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351540367-01351540887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019616.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>AL13N
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351540367-01351540887-01351599478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019655.html">[Mageia-dev] Packages not updating?
+</A><A NAME="19655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351542810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019617.html">[Mageia-dev] Avoiding Conflicts (All Teams)
+</A><A NAME="19617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351592684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019650.html">[Mageia-dev] ANN: New initscripts in testing
+</A><A NAME="19650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01351614749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019657.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Walser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351614749-01351659228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019685.html">[Mageia-dev] tinyproxy: fix buggy unmaintained package or remove it
+</A><A NAME="19685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351616128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019658.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351616128-01351622665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019660.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351616128-01351622665-01351635069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019674.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351616128-01351678773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019688.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351628166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019666.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351628166-01351631769- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019668.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Claire Robinson
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351628166-01351632086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019669.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351628166-01351632086-01351632559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019671.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351628166-01351632086-01351632559-01351633768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019673.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351628166-01351632086-01351632559-01351633768-01351722554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019712.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351628166-01351632086-01351632559-01351633768-01351722554-01351724028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019713.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01351628166-01351632222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019670.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351628166-01351637400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019677.html">[Mageia-dev] Distrib-coffee big failure of the century
+</A><A NAME="19677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351630390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019667.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351630390-01351639136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019679.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351630390-01351639136-01351642591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019681.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351630390-01351639136-01351642591-01351645572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019682.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Johnny A. Solbu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351630390-01351639136-01351642591-01351645572-01351680480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019689.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351630390-01351639136-01351642591-01351680779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019690.html">[Mageia-dev] Reminder: Mageia 3 alpha 3
+</A><A NAME="19690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351632802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019672.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard Couture
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351632802-01351636090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019675.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351632802-01351636090-01351636454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019676.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01351632802-01351636090-01351636454-01351638233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019678.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01351632802-01351636090-01351636454-01351638233-01351640398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019680.html">[Mageia-dev] systemctl no longer supports reload on iptables
+</A><A NAME="19680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351674764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019686.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351674764-01351697205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019700.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01351674764-01351697205-01351697724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019701.html">[Mageia-dev] please remove all ruby related packages from cauldron core/updates_testing for landing into release
+</A><A NAME="19701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351684752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019693.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351684752-01351686318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019694.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351688335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019695.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01351688335-01351689065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019696.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351688335-01351689163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019697.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01351688335-01351700313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019704.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01351711207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="019707.html">[Mageia-dev] saslauthd + systemd + postfix
+</A><A NAME="19707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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