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I really +</I>><i> believe it is too far and that some should be pruned. +</I>><i> The question is, how long should we maintain suck +</I>><i> hacks in packages? +</I> +While I cannot answer, i think we should indeed try to have a policy for +this. + +And in fact, I would also try to remove older Conflicts and Obsoletes +from specs files, as this only add useless computation on urpmi side. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1254">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1254">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1254">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1254">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001255.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001255.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e88abe887 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001255.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1287359069.3696.31.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001272.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001259.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1287359069.3696.31.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 01:44:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 à 22:00 -0500, Fernando Parra a écrit : + +I am just coming back from my weekend, so I may have missed lots of +discussion, but there is 2 points in your mail that I really wanted to +address. + +><i> The basic/novice user doesn't read anything, doesn't request anything +</I>><i> to some like a bugzilla, +</I> +And so, because some users are considered too lazy, we should do the +work for them ? + +I am living in a world where days are only 24h long. If people are not +able to do their part of the work like "filling a proper bug report on +bugzilla to get their wish done for free by a already overworked +volunteer", the only answer I can give is 'too bad for them'. + +If packagers were not already busy, yeah, I would think we should have +more backports requests. But if there is any packager that think "I do +not have enough work, give me more", he can send me a mail and I will +have no problem to help him solve this issue fo too much free time. + +While I agree we should lower the bar for all kind of contributions, I +am not sure that giving more work to packagers by requesting backports +clearly qualify as a contribution, and so as such should not be lowered +too easily. + +So before doing anything, we need to think about scaling from our side. + +><i> Please take in mind that we are trying to get a considerable number of new users. +</I> +I do not think I am ok to be counted in the "we" you use. I do not think +I want, nor that I will even try to get a considerable number of new +users, I want a sustainable number of users that can be properly taught +of free software way and ecosystem, so they can be later part of the +community as people who help us in very direct way. And that's what I +will try to do. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1255">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1255">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1255">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1255">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001256.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001256.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e6c246be0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001256.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1287359624.3696.40.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001275.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001257.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%20firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C1287359624.3696.40.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 01:53:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 à 07:43 +0200, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 01:18:37, Michael scherer a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 09:57:03PM +0200, Olivier Méjean wrote: +</I>><i> > > then French law is the law we have to consider for Mageia. Debian runs +</I>><i> > > under SPI organization located in the state of New York, USA, thus is +</I>><i> > > ruled by US Laws. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Since the only people who will have issue with this are the president ( aka +</I>><i> > Anne ) and the people who distribute this ( ie mirrors admins ), I think +</I>><i> > we should ask them and follow their opinions, and only theirs. Because +</I>><i> > we can speak of "we have no problem", we will have nothing what ever we do, +</I>><i> > because we are likely not liable. Anne and mirrors owners are. So their +</I>><i> > words is what does count. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So is Mageia a community project or not ? +</I> +1) This is starting to look like FUD. I suggest you to re-read you again +next time you post in a non native language. + +2) Being a community doesn't mean that you can force some people to take +responsibility for everybody's wishes. + +><i> Then when we will talk about Marketing stuff we will follow only marketing +</I>><i> group opinions ? +</I> +When the penal responsibility of the marketing group will be involved, +this would be a valid comparaison. Since this is not the case, this is +offtopic and a wrong comparaison. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1256">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1256">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1256">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1256">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001257.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001257.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e1f0f8053 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001257.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101018002558.GW18704%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001256.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001258.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc</H1> + <B>Olivier Thauvin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mageia%20repository%20sections%2C%20licenses%2C%20restrictions%2C%0A%09firmware%20etc&In-Reply-To=%3C20101018002558.GW18704%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 02:25:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>* Olivier Méjean (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>) wrote: +><i> So is Mageia a community project or not ? +</I>><i> Then when we will talk about Marketing stuff we will follow only marketing +</I>><i> group opinions ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course their views count, but there is a difference between the +</I>><i> responsability of Mageia association that must comply with French Laws and +</I>><i> mirrors admins that must comply with the laws of the country the mirror is +</I>><i> located. OpenBSD project is located in Canada to avoid some US law about +</I>><i> restriction for export (meanwhile for example Red Hat has a policy for its +</I>><i> employees not to answer by IRC to demand from an user located in countries +</I>><i> that are under export restriction due to US law) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If the structure of the repos need to be adapted so one part can be not +</I>><i> mirrored in certain countries that could be a solution (let's call it export- +</I>><i> restriction) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do quite accept that Fedora, OpenSuse, Debian comply with US Law since there +</I>><i> are located in the USA, thus accepting their policy about software patents. I +</I>><i> would like that the same occurs for Mageia that is located in France. +</I> +Since I am in charge of mirrors management I think I have some thing to +said about this: + +- adapting the mirror structure is not so easy. There is technical part + to think, especially how do you plan in practice to separate packages +with legal issues and make this understable by someone who just +want to create a mirror without having specific knowledge about internal +Mageia working ? Mirrors admin don't know all the distribution they host, +they just know rsync command line. + +- We don't choose the location of mirrors, we can only accept help from + mirror admin accepting to host us. According the expected size of our +tree, I do think it is on our side to do something except if you plan to +deny us to be distributed by half the only mirror sable to host such +tree. + +Ho ! I hadn't time to announce it yet but Ibiblio agreed to be Tier1, +bad news, they are located in USA. + +Finally, since I am the admin of our first Tier1, I'd really like if the +Mageia project could avoid to me some discuss with ou network administrators, +or worst, to cops. + +-- + +Olivier Thauvin +CNRS - LATMOS +♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 197 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101018/566f38c5/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1257">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1257">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1257">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1257">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001258.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001258.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e29a284ff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001258.html @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101017195630.dbe4f09a.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001257.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001273.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101017195630.dbe4f09a.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 02:56:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:01:27 -0400 +andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55-QFKgK+z4sOrR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + + +><i> With Mandriva and thus initially Mageia, often one only has to select +</I>><i> the new version, and the old version is automatically removed. +</I>><i> Otherwise the old version can be removed later. So we already have it +</I>><i> easier :) +</I> +I agree, our way is better, but its still strange for the new users + +><i> This is simply not advisable. In the event of a problem resulting from +</I>><i> an automatic update, the user will have no idea what was done. So how +</I>><i> easy will it be to support the user in such a case ? All changes should +</I>><i> be expressly confirmed (or specifically requested) by the user. +</I> +I never wrote something like an automatic and forced upgrade, automatic means that the upgrade must be offered by the SO as soon as a new version is available for its download. + +All here will consider it as an offence of course, and invasion to the user space. Therefore it can be result in a law suite. + +I despise the way MS applies the updates to operating system, because when you install Windows remains as the default option to automatically download and install all updates. If you want to change, it must be done manually. + +><i> They will only likely want a new version of their favorite program if +</I>><i> they know it is available. Which they will probably discover via backports. +</I> +Again, nobody is trying to kill backports. Question: if the backports repository was browsed by a draktool that only search for the Rolling Light Apps, and offer the updates available, would this be a problem? + +><i> Agree 100%. The presentation definitely needs improvement. +</I>><i> Obviously the novice user would use Rpmdrake via the MCC. +</I>><i> And Rpmdrake definitely needs improvement. +</I> +100% with you, MCC needs and urgent improvement. As an examples we can see the Apple, Google and Ubuntu equivalent tools. I'm pretty sure we can do a better job. + +><i> It's not just creating the update that costs, also due to these changing +</I>><i> dependancies, dealing with bugs on various installations of the release +</I>><i> in question becomes much more problematic. Installing a backport is +</I>><i> generally more stable than installing a new version. +</I> +100% with you, more than that, we need take in count the panic caused by the installation of the complete OS. + +Linux experienced users take this practice as a regular one, but anyone who has had to reinstall Windows with all previous applications, a process known to be hell, slow, tedious and often risky + +><i> I think that all updates should be specifically confirmed. Otherwise, +</I>><i> it's a bit like driving a car blind-folded, and later wondering why one +</I>><i> had an accident. +</I>><i> It is a good idea to tag updates as "security", "recommended", etc. +</I>><i> Implicitly, an advanced user is more likely to decide otherwise. +</I>><i> But anyone who is intelligent enough to use a computer should be +</I>><i> respected enough to at least confirm updates. +</I> +The Ubuntu's automatic update tool has this functionality, but it has not a choice for permanently forget an a package in particular (as Mandriva too, only not obviously). + +I causes, that every day an update not initially desired appear in the invitation window. + +As an example in Mandriva One 2010.1 there is installed by default "tracker" this tool demands a lot of time and resources. Well there are a lot of recommendations for to inhibit this tool, I did it, but since last week every morning I see the invitation to update "tracker" + +Anyway I suggest two different apps / ways / other. Why? Because it will be a better experience for the user. + +There a lot of recommended updates as well as security updates, some weeks 2 or 3, that is good of course, but it can be converted in a routine, again nobody reads. I know users that never update their SO, why? because it's a tedious job (¿?) + +IMHO an elegant different window or globe indicative of a new version of program "XWZ" should be a great opportunity for say: We are here, we are pending of your needs. + +><i> And you didn't train your users ? From personal experience, most users +</I>><i> learn quickly to copy error messages that appear on the screen - even +</I>><i> those who initially seem totally inept. I regularly trained users who +</I>><i> initially required a lot of hand-holding to let me reliably troubleshoot +</I>><i> by telephone. But it does take a little patience. +</I>><i> Of course, novice home users will be more problematic, since they will +</I>><i> often use the computer much less. +</I> +Well it depends in a lot of factors, Corporative rules is one of them, but there a lot more. + +Think in a novice user (maybe a young grandma), totally tired of crashes and malware, suddenly he/she reads in a blog about Mageia. She go to an cafe Internet and obtain a DVD installed on the laptop. Weeks later he/she are at an error situation. + +What kind of training he/she has? he/she acts as always, try, and try again, and when finally looks outside, his/her behaviour could be as described above. + +Thanks for your comments. + +Regards from México. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1258">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1258">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1258">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1258">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001259.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001259.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8ba37f43b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001259.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101017200453.64e8635c.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001255.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001277.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101017200453.64e8635c.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 03:04:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1259">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1259">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1259">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1259">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:44:29 +0200 +Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc-QFiJtcdG+fw at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + + +><i> I do not think I am ok to be counted in the "we" you use. I do not think +</I>><i> I want, nor that I will even try to get a considerable number of new +</I>><i> users, I want a sustainable number of users that can be properly taught +</I>><i> of free software way and ecosystem, so they can be later part of the +</I>><i> community as people who help us in very direct way. And that's what I +</I>><i> will try to do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>There are a biological law: Grow up in population or die, as simple as that. + +Regards from Mexico + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1259">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1259">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1259">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1259">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001260.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001260.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5270e8a08 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001260.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9geo5%24uj4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001279.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001264.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9geo5%24uj4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 05:25:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1260">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1260">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1260">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1260">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-17 19:44, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le vendredi 15 octobre 2010 à 22:00 -0500, Fernando Parra a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am just coming back from my weekend, so I may have missed lots of +</I>><i> discussion, but there is 2 points in your mail that I really wanted to +</I>><i> address. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The basic/novice user doesn't read anything, doesn't request anything +</I>>><i> to some like a bugzilla, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And so, because some users are considered too lazy, we should do the +</I>><i> work for them ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am living in a world where days are only 24h long. If people are not +</I>><i> able to do their part of the work like "filling a proper bug report on +</I>><i> bugzilla to get their wish done for free by a already overworked +</I>><i> volunteer", the only answer I can give is 'too bad for them'. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If packagers were not already busy, yeah, I would think we should have +</I>><i> more backports requests. But if there is any packager that think "I do +</I>><i> not have enough work, give me more", he can send me a mail and I will +</I>><i> have no problem to help him solve this issue fo too much free time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While I agree we should lower the bar for all kind of contributions, I +</I>><i> am not sure that giving more work to packagers by requesting backports +</I>><i> clearly qualify as a contribution, and so as such should not be lowered +</I>><i> too easily. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So before doing anything, we need to think about scaling from our side. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Please take in mind that we are trying to get a considerable number of new users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not think I am ok to be counted in the "we" you use. I do not think +</I>><i> I want, nor that I will even try to get a considerable number of new +</I>><i> users, I want a sustainable number of users that can be properly taught +</I>><i> of free software way and ecosystem, so they can be later part of the +</I>><i> community as people who help us in very direct way. And that's what I +</I>><i> will try to do. +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks Michael for the note. This is why I am in favour of streamlining +the reporting of bugs from the user side and not the dev. Devs should +always count on seeing bugs reported on bugzilla and nothing more. +However, on the user side, to keep the reporting of bug flow from +breaking down, I suggest a two tier format that I discussed earlier. +Maybe have a look at this and comment? + +I imagine that the Mageia devs are interested in hearing of bugs from as +many sources as possible regardless of user experience. + +Marc Pare + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1260">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1260">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1260">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1260">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001261.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001261.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b467720a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001261.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9ghs0%246s4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001276.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001262.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9ghs0%246s4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 06:19:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1261">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1261">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1261">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1261">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-17 15:28, atilla ontas a écrit : +><i> Hi. If you interested, Mandriva Turkiye Community poll ended about +</I>><i> release cycle. Here are the results: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> *Exactly as Mandriva, 6 months release cycle 18.2% +</I>><i> *Like OpenSuse, 8-9 months release cycle 13.6% +</I>><i> *One release a year 31.8% +</I>><i> * 6 months cycle for core, rolling release model other for other software 4.5% +</I>><i> * Rolling release 31.8% +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi Atilla: + +Thanks for reporting back to the mailist with the poll results.Did you +find that users were well informed of a "rolling release model"? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1261">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1261">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1261">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1261">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001262.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001262.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0b664b42f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001262.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimvxx%3DCTuwRHTTbSV1QiLjM36qUBU5JeFg_aYX4%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001261.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001263.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimvxx%3DCTuwRHTTbSV1QiLjM36qUBU5JeFg_aYX4%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 08:27:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1262">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1262">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1262">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1262">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/18 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Hi Atilla: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for reporting back to the mailist with the poll results.Did you find +</I>><i> that users were well informed of a "rolling release model"? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes. They know what is a rolling release model. Most of them also use +Arch Linux or try to get Arch on their computer. They know about +updating every day and less test, less stability. What can i say some +folks just want to get high. :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1262">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1262">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1262">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1262">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001263.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001263.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4514e6b63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001263.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinP9O8OvQ2N0dMuRYPfz1tu7S-kmLxeXjrRSKG1%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001262.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001274.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinP9O8OvQ2N0dMuRYPfz1tu7S-kmLxeXjrRSKG1%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 10:18:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1263">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1263">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1263">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1263">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Here's the result of the German community. +After the initial opening of the poll there was a discussion with more +than 40 postings, still going on. Involved were people actively using +ArchLinux, members of our packaging team and interested users. Voters +had the chance to alter their vote during the discussion, which was +used by some who learned more about "rolling release" during the +discussion. + + +* Exactly as Mandriva, 6 months release cycle 4% +* Exactly as Mandriva, 12 months release cycle 20% +* 6 months cycle for core, rolling release model for other software 13% +* 12 months cycle for core, rolling release model for other software 41% +* Rolling release 22% + +With 54 % this is a majority for the "rolling light" model (where the +12 months cycle for core received the most votes). Remarkable is the +fact that the Mandriva release cycle (6 months) came in last. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1263">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1263">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1263">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1263">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001264.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001264.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6c22cd5da --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001264.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinme_UZx7mcj1KMQJpzz0PsUovB1jvRsBGKMRCn%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001260.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001275.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinme_UZx7mcj1KMQJpzz0PsUovB1jvRsBGKMRCn%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 10:26:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1264">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1264">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1264">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1264">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/18 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Thanks Michael for the note. This is why I am in favour of streamlining the +</I>><i> reporting of bugs from the user side and not the dev. Devs should always +</I>><i> count on seeing bugs reported on bugzilla and nothing more. However, on the +</I>><i> user side, to keep the reporting of bug flow from breaking down, I suggest a +</I>><i> two tier format that I discussed earlier. Maybe have a look at this and +</I>><i> comment? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I imagine that the Mageia devs are interested in hearing of bugs from as +</I>><i> many sources as possible regardless of user experience. +</I> +Here's the place where I may bring back to attention the proposed +system of helpers in the user forums. People who help unexperienced +users to write bug reports and will also help them along if the devs +ask questions during the lifetime of that bug in bugzilla. A user who +has done this once (ideally from the start of a bug until its end) +will be eager to do it again when he stumbles across another bug. He +will also be eager to "teach" his new knowledge to other users. This +way we will get a larger community of "bug reporters" than by any +documents. + +There must not be a fixed "Bug Friends" group, this "mentoring" can +be done by all experienced users. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1264">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1264">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1264">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1264">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001265.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001265.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..93e1a3db8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001265.html @@ -0,0 +1,126 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh1Cey7GM0%3D_TmPwrachncYqKWCeDP0hRfAX05%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001274.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001266.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinh1Cey7GM0%3D_TmPwrachncYqKWCeDP0hRfAX05%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 12:25:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1265">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1265">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1265">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1265">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 14 October 2010 19:05, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +>><i> However, I then found that the new version of VLC had problems with +</I>>><i> DVD menus, and the new CUPS introduced problems (not just in my +</I>>><i> installation but at least one other Mandriva user). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would put this down to the fact that currently in Mandriva backports +</I>><i> are given little attention by the packagers (as has been mentioned by +</I>><i> the Mandriva packagers here themselves). +</I> +You really look only at what you want :-) + +><i> Of course if we make them more central to the Mageia strategy then more +</I>><i> care and testing is needed before a backport is pushed out. +</I> +That just mean double the amount of work for the QA team... +Experience told us that QA team has already too much work, the same +way, bug triage team has too much work, ... + +And double is a minimum since : +- you're asking for quite a lot more agressive backports, thus quite a +lot more packages to test +- instead of just testing the security hole & basic work, we would +have to test quite a lot more stuff. + (eg: for above VLC, playing various video, playing various musics, +playing DVD, ...) +- there would be quite a lot more situation to checks. eg: + o bare distro + one updated package + o bare distro + one backported package + o bare distro + one backported package + backported some of its deps + +Whereas updates can be tested on top of released distro + its updates, +for backports, we would have to test the distro + its updates, the +distro with some backports applied, ... + +You're asking for a maintenance nightmare. + +Let's focus. Let's maintain & stabilize one thing at a time, that is a +distro every 6 monthes. + +><i> So I wouldn't consider that a fundamental issue with backports, just a +</I>><i> procedural issue. +</I> +Yeah sure. + +><i> Also personally I would consider CUPS a core app so I wouldn't have +</I>><i> included that in backports at all. +</I> +No comment... +And what about above VLC? +Cannot you understand that _ANY_ backport can & will break ? + +That's remains me new MDV leadership who tried to explain to us how +easy it's to maintain a stabe distro with 10% of the team... + + + +Unrelated, I just found out that fglrx updates are half in +<A HREF="http://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/MandrivaLinux/official/2010.1/x86_64/media/main/updates/">http://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/MandrivaLinux/official/2010.1/x86_64/media/main/updates/</A> +and half in nonfree/release... whereas they're fully not open +source... +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1265">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1265">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1265">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1265">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001266.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001266.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a73348d37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001266.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimf9OFPQnGt82EjV8_RZOfWyibVEijWnFKMG4c_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001265.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001267.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimf9OFPQnGt82EjV8_RZOfWyibVEijWnFKMG4c_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 12:32:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 15 October 2010 13:42, Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at multilinks.com</A>> wrote: +><i> "Now, maybe the user interface needs to be improved. For example, maybe there +</I>><i> should be no dropdown box, but instead when searching for a package by name, +</I>><i> it should show you all the versions: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ============================================================================ +</I>><i> Find: | digikam         | In: ->Graphical applications   |By: ->Package Name +</I>><i> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> Package|                |Status                          | Action +</I>><i> +digikam                |Security update recommended     |Update            | +</I>><i> - 1.3.0-1mdv            |Installed                       |Uninstall         | +</I>><i> - 1.3.0-1.1mdv          |Security Update                 |Update            | +</I>><i> - 1.4.0-4mdv            |Unsupported upgrade (backport)  |Upgrade           | +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> digikam - A KDE ........ +</I>><i> ============================================================================= +</I> +woot! I love that +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1266">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1266">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1266">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1266">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001267.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001267.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d6cd084e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001267.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYYZnEONv%2BV3ZH5MyMPwo9sS6-38J-f8eU%3D6i5%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001266.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001268.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYYZnEONv%2BV3ZH5MyMPwo9sS6-38J-f8eU%3D6i5%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 12:35:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1267">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1267">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1267">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1267">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 17 October 2010 09:56, David W. Hodgins <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> The problem I've experienced with the current Mandriva release cycle +</I>><i> is with one friend, who has a slow system.  It took 13 hours to go +</I>><i> from 2010.0 to 2010.1, even though (I'm guessing) the bulk of the files +</I>><i> being downloaded were identical (except for the release number, and +</I>><i> date of build), to what he already had. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The same upgrade only took a couple of hours, on my system.  He has a +</I>><i> faster internet connection, but a much slower computer.  I thought the +</I>><i> faster download would be more important than the speed of the system, +</I>><i> so I mistakenly gave him a 4 hour guesstimate. +</I> +Uh? +I've updated <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">PIII at 733Mhz</A> with 256 to 512Mb of RAM on a 100kb/sec line +on a couple hours (let say between 2 & 6 hours) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1267">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1267">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1267">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1267">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001268.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001268.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e1602835 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001268.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C20101018120916.9FF507F0F8%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001267.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001269.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C20101018120916.9FF507F0F8%40kirsikkapuu.dnainternet.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 14:09:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wednesday 06 October 2010 09:44:37 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +><i> Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 00:06:41, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>><i> > As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In +</I>><i> > Mandriva, I think there were some uploads to backports before the +</I>><i> > upload to cooker, which can cause problems for users if not corrected. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed. I think that the current policy already tries to enforce that. Those +</I>><i> uploads to backports before upload to cooker were mistakes. +</I> +What about when cooker is in freeze? + +I guess we should allow backports to cooker backports then? + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1268">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1268">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1268">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1268">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001269.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001269.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a10918ff1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001269.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C1287406364.3696.220.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001268.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%20management&In-Reply-To=%3C1287406364.3696.220.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 14:52:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 18 octobre 2010 à 15:09 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On Wednesday 06 October 2010 09:44:37 Samuel Verschelde wrote: +</I>><i> > Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 00:06:41, Buchan Milne a écrit : +</I>><i> > > As long as it doesn't take the focus off the development release. In +</I>><i> > > Mandriva, I think there were some uploads to backports before the +</I>><i> > > upload to cooker, which can cause problems for users if not corrected. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Indeed. I think that the current policy already tries to enforce that. Those +</I>><i> > uploads to backports before upload to cooker were mistakes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about when cooker is in freeze? +</I> +If we are in freeze, I would try to focus our ressources on bug fixing. +Having to wait for a backport never caused much troubles. Not fixing a +bug in a new version we try to mark as stable is much more problematic, +IMHO. + +Alternatively, a system like Fedora and Debian have would maybe lessen +the issue. + +Ie, once you decide to freeze, you fork the distribution, but you don't +label it as stable. + +Then cooker/cauldron is updated as usual, and only bugfixes are pushed +to the forked distribution, before it got labeled as stable. And we can +imagine to even have backport pushed to this distribution. + +See +<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal</A> and the various +debian wiki pages for testing/unstable relation, and the policy after a +freeze. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1269">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1269">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1269">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1269">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001270.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001270.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..41e319c07 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001270.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? 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Installing a backport is +</I>>><i> generally more stable than installing a new version. +</I>><i> 100% with you, more than that, we need take in count the panic caused by the installation of the complete OS. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Linux experienced users take this practice as a regular one, but anyone who has had to reinstall Windows with all previous applications, a process known to be hell, slow, tedious and often risky +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry, but i don't buy your arguments, This is not about making Mageia +noobproof installation. And when someone has panic about reinstalling +his/her box, then someone else should do it for them, simple as that. + +Hate to do that, but could we please focus on the topic of the thread +and not dream about the next best thing in operating systems? +We should focus on getting our base cleaned up, and to get a stable +and good quality release out the door, This should be our top priority, +and not endless discussions what everybody would wish for. + +For this there should be a wiki page or keep this on your private wishlist, +until the time has come to look if it can be realized and/or if it has more +advantages than disadvantages. + + +On topic: I'd like to see a snapshot/release every 12 months, +the core system (aka basesystem plus default de) should +be "frozen" and only receive bugfixes/security updates +and mostly everything else should be more-or-less rolling. +That also means there is no more difference in backports +and updates, that would be my model to go. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1273">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1273">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1273">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1273">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001274.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001274.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..446058b53 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001274.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9i342%24ths%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001263.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001265.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9i342%24ths%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 20:19:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1274">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1274">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1274">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1274">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-18 04:18, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> Here's the result of the German community. +</I>><i> After the initial opening of the poll there was a discussion with more +</I>><i> than 40 postings, still going on. Involved were people actively using +</I>><i> ArchLinux, members of our packaging team and interested users. Voters +</I>><i> had the chance to alter their vote during the discussion, which was +</I>><i> used by some who learned more about "rolling release" during the +</I>><i> discussion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Exactly as Mandriva, 6 months release cycle 4% +</I>><i> * Exactly as Mandriva, 12 months release cycle 20% +</I>><i> * 6 months cycle for core, rolling release model for other software 13% +</I>><i> * 12 months cycle for core, rolling release model for other software 41% +</I>><i> * Rolling release 22% +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With 54 % this is a majority for the "rolling light" model (where the +</I>><i> 12 months cycle for core received the most votes). Remarkable is the +</I>><i> fact that the Mandriva release cycle (6 months) came in last. +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks again for the results. I wonder how many more communities are +running the poll? + +The results are becoming more and more obviously clear. + +Could we start a new thread on this with the results posted on it? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1274">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1274">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1274">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1274">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001275.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001275.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..abde68f02 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001275.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9i3ev%243bs%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001264.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001256.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9i3ev%243bs%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 18 20:25:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-18 04:26, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/18 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Thanks Michael for the note. This is why I am in favour of streamlining the +</I>>><i> reporting of bugs from the user side and not the dev. Devs should always +</I>>><i> count on seeing bugs reported on bugzilla and nothing more. However, on the +</I>>><i> user side, to keep the reporting of bug flow from breaking down, I suggest a +</I>>><i> two tier format that I discussed earlier. Maybe have a look at this and +</I>>><i> comment? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I imagine that the Mageia devs are interested in hearing of bugs from as +</I>>><i> many sources as possible regardless of user experience. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here's the place where I may bring back to attention the proposed +</I>><i> system of helpers in the user forums. People who help unexperienced +</I>><i> users to write bug reports and will also help them along if the devs +</I>><i> ask questions during the lifetime of that bug in bugzilla. A user who +</I>><i> has done this once (ideally from the start of a bug until its end) +</I>><i> will be eager to do it again when he stumbles across another bug. He +</I>><i> will also be eager to "teach" his new knowledge to other users. This +</I>><i> way we will get a larger community of "bug reporters" than by any +</I>><i> documents. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There must not be a fixed "Bug Friends" group, this "mentoring" can +</I>><i> be done by all experienced users. +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually, the process that you describe is exactly what mentoring is all +about. I would be in favour of both processes. + +BTW ... someone mentioned that we should have a different thread for +this. Should we do this? Maybe call it "Report Bug Process" ? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1275">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1275">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1275">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1275">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001276.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001276.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a071abac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/001276.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Are we setting up a bio version of Mageia? :D + + +Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO +<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A> + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1279">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1279">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1279">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1279">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4e511f91c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,177 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 18 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>18 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:31:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 22:55:37 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 26<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</A><A NAME="1255"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1258"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1259"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1260"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1261"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1262"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1263"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1264"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1265"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1266"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1267"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1273"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1274"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1275"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1276"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1277"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1278"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1279"> </A> +<I>Dubeau, Patrick +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1257"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1256"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1254"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1270"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001271.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1271"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1272"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="1268"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="1269"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Oct 18 22:55:37 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4b429ea28 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101018/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,231 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 18 October 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>18 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:31:56 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 22:55:37 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 26<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01287354716- --> +<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1254"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287354716-01287412251- --> +<LI><A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1270"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287354716-01287412251-01287416482- --> +<LI><A HREF="001271.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1271"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287354716-01287412251-01287416482-01287416605- --> +<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A><A NAME="1272"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287359069- --> +<LI><A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1255"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287359069-01287363893- --> +<LI><A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1259"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287359069-01287363893-01287434213- --> +<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1277"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287359069-01287363893-01287434213-01287435132- --> +<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1278"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287359069-01287363893-01287434213-01287435132-01287435337- --> +<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1279"> </A> +<I>Dubeau, Patrick +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01287359069-01287372357- --> +<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1260"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287359069-01287372357-01287390401- --> +<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1264"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287359069-01287372357-01287390401-01287426334- --> +<LI><A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1275"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287359624- --> +<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1256"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01287361559- --> +<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia repository sections, licenses, restrictions, firmware etc +</A><A NAME="1257"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<!--0 01287363390- --> +<LI><A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1258"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287363390-01287423479- --> +<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1273"> </A> +<I>Florian Hubold +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287363390-01287423479-01287430094- --> +<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1276"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287375552- --> +<LI><A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1261"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287375552-01287383277- --> +<LI><A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1262"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287375552-01287383277-01287389933- --> +<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1263"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287375552-01287383277-01287389933-01287425986- --> +<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1274"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01287397538- --> +<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1265"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01287397957- --> +<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1266"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01287398149- --> +<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="1267"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01287403755- --> +<LI><A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="1268"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287403755-01287406364- --> +<LI><A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="1269"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Oct 18 22:55:37 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 23:12:56 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |