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At one point I thought about +using dbxml (a small, fast interface to XML documents, with a btree +index and dynamic hashing), which would probably make rpmdrake and urpmi +a lot faster, but the dbxml packages didn't even build easily on +Mandriva, and the rpm didn't install the perl API. + +Liam + +-- +Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A> +Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A> +Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#816">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#816">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#816">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#816">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000817.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000817.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e447dc73f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000817.html @@ -0,0 +1,122 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004194058.1c574b81.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000830.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000819.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004194058.1c574b81.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:40:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#817">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#817">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#817">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#817">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:03:41 +0200 +Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean-Qt13gs6zZMY at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +</I>><i> > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>><i> > 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> > make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> > be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> > systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> > year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> > space waste. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> > suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> > code names. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's your opinion? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) I do not +</I>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> computer, so wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 +</I>><i> months or every year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Olivier Méjean +</I>><i> Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +</I>><i> twitter : obagoom +</I>><i> identi.ca : goom +</I>><i> +</I>Could we have a different approach? + +As a computers professional I love the idea of upgrading my distro's version every 6 months, but as a teacher, I simply can't do that, (maybe I only can do that every two years) + +But in my two personalities I want (and in determinated circumstances I simply need them) some programs running in its latest versions + +A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new versions are available. + +Other distros are now trying this model, only for browsers as I now. + +We can run a poll for select what are the programs in that list, and then the devel team must tell us what programs can be upgraded due technical reasons and what programs can't do. + +My own favourites list is: + +Openoffice (LibreOficce?) +Firefox +Chromium-Browser +Gimp +Netbeans +Gambas2 +Lazarus/fpc +VLC +Openshot +Wine + +Note that I'm not mentioning in the list any program that directly depends (or be developed) for a GNome or KDE projects, because it's really could be a problem talking on technical issues. + +Regards from México + +-- + <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#817">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#817">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#817">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#817">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000818.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000818.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3941c36d7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000818.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%09Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinMBX%2B4kJRME-RSB19%2BWdeow0T77x4tMdpss7K9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000861.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000820.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?</H1> + <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%09Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinMBX%2B4kJRME-RSB19%2BWdeow0T77x4tMdpss7K9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?">ajunior at brasifort.com.br + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 02:49:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#818">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#818">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#818">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#818">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I liked Wobo's opinions about Mageia Central. + +Júnior + +2010/10/2 andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> + +><i> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2010/9/30 andré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) +</I>>>><i> already +</I>>>><i> has most if not all the hardware configuration elements. +</I>>>><i> How about adding an information page to the MCC ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> More like a Documentation&Help section like the other sections. You +</I>>><i> can have an icon for the main Mageia site, one for the local wiki page +</I>>><i> according to the selected language, one for the local forum, etc. +</I>>><i> whatever fits in there. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Exactly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can even add an icon for the donation page :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Good point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is IMHO the most attraccting idea I have read so far. Then the +</I>>><i> MCC should be renamed to "Mageia Central". Like a one-stop shopping +</I>>><i> mall for configuration, information and help. +</I>>><i> ____ +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> "Mageia Central" has a nice ring to it. 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A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new versions are available. +</I> +That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) + + +Cheers, +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#819">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#819">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#819">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#819">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000820.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000820.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e31c30994 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000820.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004203542.e5bdd9d0.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000818.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000822.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Fernando Parra</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004203542.e5bdd9d0.gato2707%40yahoo.com.mx%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 03:35:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#820">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#820">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#820">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#820">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Begin forwarded message: + +Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:32:56 -0500 +From: Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +Newsgroups: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> +Subject: Re: How will be the realese cycle? + + +On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:01:33 -0500 +Juan Luis Baptiste <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juan.baptiste-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra <gato2707-/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">E1597aS9LQGXtTpemXPTA at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Could we have a different approach? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > As a computers professional I love the idea of upgrading my distro's version every 6 months, but as a teacher, I simply can't do that, (maybe I only can do that every two years) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One would be the current community version to give it a name and the +</I>><i> other one would be the long term release, like the corporate +</I>><i> desktop/server of Mandriva. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > But in my two personalities I want (and in determinated circumstances I simply need them) some programs running in its latest versions +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new versions are available. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Juancho +</I>><i> +</I> +Maybe backports are funny for a user with more experience than a regular one, but if we are trying to maintain a user friendly distro, We must improve in the things that they really ask us. + +One of the regular questions I received when install a linux distro is: "But I really need to upgrade all my OS, if I only want the new version of my Office Suite?" + +Let me remind you, The privative OS don't have this model, in them the users can install a new version of their favourite software as they want (or pay it). This is true at least as a Mayor upgrade at the OS, and in some cases the compatibility are maintained. + +I understand that it could be a technical problem, for that reason I proposed packages developed by other's different than gnome and kde. + +Send me a light in my ignorance, could you install any new version of OOO downloading the packages directly from de OOO site without meaning the distro version (except of course when occurs a mayor upgrade at their main pieces, kernel by example)? + +Saludos desde México +-- + <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> + + +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#820">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#820">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#820">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#820">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000821.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000821.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3fd90b2d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000821.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik5rqqpDS%3D0_Y_hMGH9n26obrZrVxmg6x7Go%3Dze%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000824.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000823.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>R James</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik5rqqpDS%3D0_Y_hMGH9n26obrZrVxmg6x7Go%3Dze%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">upsnag2 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:06:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> The point is, such scripts break all the time. e.g. chromium-browser +</I>><i> has a "make chrome the default browser" button, the problem is, it +</I>><i> works only under GNOME, but doesn't work under KDE4 or XFCE. It's +</I>><i> using a variant of the xdg-utils scripts... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> xdg-utils is trying to do the huge job of working with all possible +</I>><i> desktop environments, this is, by its very nature, a hard thing to +</I>><i> accomplish. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Firefox also has a "make firefox the default web browser", again it +</I>><i> works only with GTK/GConf based applications, but it doesn't change +</I>><i> KDE settings. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If upstream can't accomplish this in their apps, how do you expect +</I>><i> downstream to do it? +</I>><i> +</I>Easy. Both upstream and downstream should obey the $BROWSER +environment variable. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#821">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#821">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#821">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#821">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000822.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000822.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dabdad29e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000822.html @@ -0,0 +1,149 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTbFX4UPXJsh1_nXfimfP7z9whuBEGn65GizKZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000820.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000840.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTbFX4UPXJsh1_nXfimfP7z9whuBEGn65GizKZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:14:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 03:35, Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Begin forwarded message: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:32:56 -0500 +</I>><i> From: Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</I>><i> Newsgroups: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> Subject: Re: How will be the realese cycle? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:01:33 -0500 +</I>><i> Juan Luis Baptiste <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">juan.baptiste-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra <gato2707-/<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">E1597aS9LQGXtTpemXPTA at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Could we have a different approach? +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > As a computers professional I love the idea of upgrading my distro's version every 6 months, but as a teacher, I simply can't do that, (maybe I only can do that every two years) +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> One would be the current community version to give it a name and the +</I>>><i> other one would be the long term release, like the corporate +</I>>><i> desktop/server of Mandriva. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> > But in my two personalities I want (and in determinated circumstances I simply need them) some programs running in its latest versions +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new versions are available. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>>><i> just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>>><i> versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>>><i> the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Cheers, +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Juancho +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe backports are funny for a user with more experience than a regular one, but if we are trying to maintain a user friendly distro, We must improve in the things that they really ask us. +</I>><i> +</I> +Usually it's just: +- enable a backports repo +- search for the app you want +- if a newer version exists there, install it. + +rpmdrake (aka "install & remove software") makes it even easier, you +don't need to explicitly enable backports, just change the filter to +"Backports" and it'll show packages from there. + +><i> One of the regular questions I received when install a linux distro is: "But I really need to upgrade all my OS, if I only want the new version of my Office Suite?" +</I>><i> +</I> +That's what backports are for, you get the latest version of an app +without upgrading your whole system. For example look at the backports +repos in 2010.1, you'll find the latest version of: wine, openshot, +vlc, chromium-browser, gimp. + +Latest version of firefox usually got pushed as an official update. + +><i> Let me remind you, The privative OS don't have this model, in them the users can install a new version of their favourite software as they want (or pay it). This is true at least as a Mayor upgrade at the OS, and in some cases the compatibility are maintained. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I understand that it could be a technical problem, for that reason I proposed packages developed by other's different than gnome and kde. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Send me a light in my ignorance, could you install any new version of OOO downloading the packages directly from de OOO site without meaning the distro version (except of course when occurs a mayor upgrade at their main pieces, kernel by example)? +</I>><i> +</I> +Actually yes, it's one of the - rather rare - cases where upstream, +OOo, offers readily installable binary rpms :) +(although you have to bear in mind that the openoffice version in the +Mandriva repos was the <A HREF="http://go-oo.org/">http://go-oo.org/</A> version, which has a saner +build system and is easier to maintain). + +><i> Saludos desde México +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i>  <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#822">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#822">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#822">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#822">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000823.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000823.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fe137254 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000823.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpnxRJ79b2u2-O4tNN5uLDXs31uNLP104TyLLD%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000821.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000825.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpnxRJ79b2u2-O4tNN5uLDXs31uNLP104TyLLD%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:15:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 04:06, R James <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The point is, such scripts break all the time. e.g. chromium-browser +</I>>><i> has a "make chrome the default browser" button, the problem is, it +</I>>><i> works only under GNOME, but doesn't work under KDE4 or XFCE. It's +</I>>><i> using a variant of the xdg-utils scripts... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> xdg-utils is trying to do the huge job of working with all possible +</I>>><i> desktop environments, this is, by its very nature, a hard thing to +</I>>><i> accomplish. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Firefox also has a "make firefox the default web browser", again it +</I>>><i> works only with GTK/GConf based applications, but it doesn't change +</I>>><i> KDE settings. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If upstream can't accomplish this in their apps, how do you expect +</I>>><i> downstream to do it? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Easy. Both upstream and downstream should obey the $BROWSER +</I>><i> environment variable. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yeah, "should" :) + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#823">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#823">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#823">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#823">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000824.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000824.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3c15157f9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000824.html @@ -0,0 +1,156 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286246112.29594.39.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000846.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000821.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286246112.29594.39.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:35:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 20:35 -0500, Fernando Parra a écrit : + + +><i> One of the regular questions I received when install a linux distro is: "But I really need to upgrade all my OS, if I only want the new version of my Office Suite?" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let me remind you, The privative OS don't have this model, +</I>><i> in them the users can install a new version of their favourite +</I>><i> software as they want (or pay it). This is true at least as a +</I>><i> Mayor upgrade at the OS, and in some cases the compatibility are maintained. +</I> +Well, their model is too different, I have made a full 40 minutes +conferences on the subject, except it is in french ( and the video is +still not there ). + +But basically, that's because Microsoft or Apple work in a segmented +fashion. You have clear delimitations on what is the os, and what is +not. Os is controled by a single entitie, and there is only a few APIs +that you can use, and lots of test to ensure that the API is not broken +( even if that mean keeping old code around, see +<A HREF="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html">http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html</A> ). +This segmentation also mean there is few lines of code put in common, be +it for technical reasons, or legal ones. And the lack of code sharing +mean complexity of the source code, which usually also mean more bugs, +and more time to develop ( thus, less quality, if you invest the same +ressources ). + +Never wondered why windows takes so much memory ? Now, you have the +start of a answer. + +Now, on free software side, there is no artificial barrier between os +and applications, no committee to declare "this is the official API for +X years". There is just a bunch of people who constantly give source +code, with the hope that everything will work fine together. And that's +what we do as distributors, we pick components everywhere and make sure +they are presented in a way that everybody can use. We even make more, +we make sure they integrate cleanly with the others ( menu, code and +library sharing, packages system, integrated installation ), which is +something that usually is not done in proprietary os. + +People could do like windows. Just take a distribution, declare that you +will never upgrade it for 4/5 years. Be sure to have a team ready to +backport security fixes, and you will have the stable plateform you +want. + +But then, people will want the latest kernel, to get support for their +hardware. The latest xorg, for the same reason. But then, after +upgrading xorg, you will need to update udev, and hal. After that you +will see that gnome or kde no longer have a working automount so they +need to be patched, or updated. But updating gnome may requires to +update others components ( like gstreamer ) and so on. + +Even with this problem, this kind of distribution already exist. That's +RHEL, or Centos. ( Or even Opensolaris, when it was still existing, or +maybe others ). + +But : +1) RHEL is not gratis, far from it. Centos is, but I do not think Centos +could exist without RHEL. That's because the whole "let's validate the +API" business is costly for the distribution. Far more costly that what +we can afford as a community distribution, and far from being sexy for +coders. For the coder that use a old API, this usually mean the API +offer less features. For the coder who wrote a library and thus offer a +API, this usually mean that no one test your new and improved code, +which can be simpler, easier to debug, etc. So you cannot count on +"free" coders, ie you have to pay someone to do the job. You also have +to pay someone to do the formal and rigorous QA. + +2) newer distributions are usually offering more features. And people +want features. The start of this discussion is "how can I install the +new office suite", which basically mean "i would like to have new +features of some software". While everybody will tell "but I only need +this feature", nobody will give the same feature. + +But I think people can try to do it. Just install Centos to your +friends, and make a rpm repository of update to firefox, to openoffice +and others, and see how it goes. Or maybe use a BSD, like PcBSD +( <A HREF="http://www.pcbsd.org/">http://www.pcbsd.org/</A> ). + +Maybe you will have success. And maybe not. + +Personally, and as arrogant and elitist it sounds, I value more the +innovation than binary endless compatibility, and so I think free +software ressources are best spent into new features than into keeping +unmaintained binary softwares working ( because yes, a software that no +one recompile since X years is a unmaintained piece of binary to me ). + +So, to me, the current situation is fine. I know it is not for +everybody, but as I said, for people who want a different system, there +is a solution. +But I do not know why people do not use it. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#824">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#824">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#824">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#824">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000825.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000825.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..088ca57fb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000825.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim70FpAjwrwiG-7gndgspHd%3DOgJWFJPjxr9QzbP%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000823.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000831.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim70FpAjwrwiG-7gndgspHd%3DOgJWFJPjxr9QzbP%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 04:43:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#825">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#825">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#825">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#825">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +>>><i> +</I>>>><i> If upstream can't accomplish this in their apps, how do you expect +</I>>>><i> downstream to do it? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Easy. Both upstream and downstream should obey the $BROWSER +</I>>><i> environment variable. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yeah, "should" :) +</I>><i> +</I> +Then you "should" file a bug report if you encounter non-support of +$BROWSER, correct? + + + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#825">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#825">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#825">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#825">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000826.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000826.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6e63dbc3b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000826.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%3D%3Fwindows-1252%3Fq%3FWrong_link_for_FAQ_on_Mageia_%3D96_Pr%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Fwindows-1252%3Fq%3Fess_Reviews_page%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinksQtiqR9cDfXvY5wskAYonFyXtJnuxPGRo3%3DA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000831.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000828.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page</H1> + <B>Filip Komar</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%3D%3Fwindows-1252%3Fq%3FWrong_link_for_FAQ_on_Mageia_%3D96_Pr%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Fwindows-1252%3Fq%3Fess_Reviews_page%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinksQtiqR9cDfXvY5wskAYonFyXtJnuxPGRo3%3DA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page">filip.komar at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 08:49:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#826">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#826">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#826">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#826">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Now it's <A HREF="http://mageia.org/press/faq/">http://mageia.org/press/faq/</A> it should be <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/faq/">http://mageia.org/en/faq/</A> + +Also Press reviews <<A HREF="http://mageia.org/press/">http://mageia.org/press/</A>> link is missing on some pages. +For example <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/.">http://mageia.org/en/.</A> + +I know it's temporary but I think it's still important. + +Thanks to all contributors and especially to starters of this great project, +Filip. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101005/1b203e7c/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#826">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#826">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#826">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#826">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000827.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000827.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf17ffbb7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000827.html @@ -0,0 +1,180 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Every +</I>><i> > > 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> > > make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> > > be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> > > systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> > > year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> > > space waste. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> > > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> > > suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> > > code names. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > What's your opinion? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) I do not +</I>><i> > think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> > computer, so wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every +</I>><i> > 6 months or every year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Could we have a different approach? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As a computers professional I love the idea of upgrading my distro's +</I>><i> version every 6 months, but as a teacher, I simply can't do that, (maybe I +</I>><i> only can do that every two years) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But in my two personalities I want (and in determinated circumstances I +</I>><i> simply need them) some programs running in its latest versions +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A +</I>><i> distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new +</I>><i> versions are available. +</I> +This is already available, via backports. + +However, changing to a "light" rolling distro would force other users, who +don't necessarily want these updates (or, don't want to pay for all the +bandwidth for these updates, because they are happy with the version they +have) to download them. + +><i> Other distros are now trying this model, only for browsers as I now. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We can run a poll for select what are the programs in that list, and then +</I>><i> the devel team must tell us what programs can be upgraded due technical +</I>><i> reasons and what programs can't do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My own favourites list is: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Openoffice (LibreOficce?) +</I> +So, you want to force everyone to download 300MB of packages, because you want +a few new features? + +2009.1 got a security update from 3.0.1 to 3.1.1. + +If you want newer, use binaries from <A HREF="http://download.openoffice.org/">http://download.openoffice.org/</A> + +><i> Firefox +</I> +3.6.10 available for 2010.0 and 2010.1 in updates + +If you want newer, use binaries from getfirefox.com ... oh wait, there isn't a +newer firefox ... + +><i> Chromium-Browser +</I> +7.0.530 available for 2010.0 and 2010.1 in backports + +<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=chromium-">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=chromium-</A> +browser&st=rpmname + +><i> Gimp +</I> +2.6.11 is in backports for 2010.1 (which shipped with 2.6.8). + +><i> Netbeans +</I> +cooker isn't even current ... + +><i> Gambas2 +</I> +2.21.0 is in cooker and in backports for 2010.1 and 2010.0 and 2.20.0 is +available back to 2009.0: + +<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=gambas2&st=rpmname">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=gambas2&st=rpmname</A> + +><i> Lazarus/fpc +</I> +0.9.28.2 in backports for 2010.1 to 2009.1: +<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=lazarus&st=rpmname">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=lazarus&st=rpmname</A> + +><i> VLC +</I> +1.1.4 is available for 2010.1, 2010.0 and 2009.0 in backports +<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=vlc&st=rpmname">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=vlc&st=rpmname</A> + +><i> Openshot +</I> +2010.0 got a backport of 1.1.3, I don't know if there are obstacles to +backporting 1.2.x to 2010.0 and older. + +><i> Wine +</I> +1.3.4 is available for 2010.1 and 2010.0 in backports: +<A HREF="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=wine&st=rpmname">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?distrib=Mandriva&version=&arch=&search=wine&st=rpmname</A> + +So, of your list of 10 apps, 1 is up-to-date in updates, 6 are up-to-date in +backports (at least for 2010.1, 5 are up-to-date in 2010.0), 1 has had at +least one backport, 1 isn't even up-to-date in cooker, and the biggest one at +300MB hasn't got backports (but binaries are available upstream). + +I think you need to offer assistance in maintaining netbeans, rather than +asking that everyone be inflicted with the pain of a rolling distribution +(which wouldn't help you get a newer netbeans). + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many tools ? +</I> +That's a nop argument. 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+</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Easy. Both upstream and downstream should obey the $BROWSER +</I>>>><i> environment variable. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yeah, "should" :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then you "should" file a bug report if you encounter non-support of +</I>><i> $BROWSER, correct? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Hoyt +</I>><i> +</I> +Sure, if I can dive in each browser and DE way of setting a default +browser. Personally I can't get my head fully around it up till now. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#831">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#831">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#831">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#831">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000832.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000832.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f2b0ba185 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000832.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYaf-EfnUivWi4zQ7renPDLz2OKvFq0P9w5B1Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000828.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000833.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYaf-EfnUivWi4zQ7renPDLz2OKvFq0P9w5B1Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 13:30:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#832">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#832">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#832">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#832">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/5 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Specifying what exactly is wrong is an essential issue here: +</I>>>><i> - Just "perl is hard to understand" isn't a problem for users, users +</I>>>><i> don't code it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> but for dev and potential contributor this increase the antry barrier +</I>>><i> for contribution +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No. You are just moving the entry barrier against another dev group +</I>><i> (those who would know perl but not eg C). +</I>><i> And because of the manual memory management of the language you're +</I>><i> promoting, you would both: +</I>><i> - increase the actual barrier entry (need to understand how to +</I>><i> properly do mem management, ...) +</I>><i> - introduce new classes of bugs (and among them a lot of security ones +</I>><i> (overwriting stack and the like) +</I> +php/java have memory management. Python ( which syntax is closer to C +than perl ) also have memory management. The same for mono ( .Net ), +vala, ... + +>><i> sure. But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many tools ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's a nop argument. Rewriting from scratch needs more manpower +</I>><i> whatever is the number of tools... +</I> +sure, but if more people are able to contribute, this could counter +balanced this fact . + + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#832">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#832">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#832">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#832">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000833.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000833.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..87e306fd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000833.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C1286278754.29594.50.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000832.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000837.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C1286278754.29594.50.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 13:39:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 13:30 +0200, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/5 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > On 3 October 2010 09:58, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> sure. But do Mandriva still have enough man power to maintain so many tools ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's a nop argument. Rewriting from scratch needs more manpower +</I>><i> > whatever is the number of tools... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> sure, but if more people are able to contribute, this could counter +</I>><i> balanced this fact . +</I> +I didn't see a flood of contributions on msec ( written in python ) or +the initscripts ( written in bash ). Nor much contribution on the kenobi +web interface ( written in php ). So there is no evidence of "more +people will contribute", quite the contrary. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#833">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#833">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#833">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#833">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000834.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000834.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cac4d3abd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000834.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f41e%24304%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000819.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000827.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8f41e%24304%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 14:00:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Juan Luis Baptiste wrote: + +><i> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Fernando Parra +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> wrote: +</I> +>><i> A different approach could be a "light rolling distro", let me explain. A +</I>>><i> distro with a selected number of programs updated regular as their new +</I>>><i> versions are available. +</I> +><i> That's what backports are for, no need for a "light rolling distro", +</I>><i> just contribute and help doing the backports for different Mageia +</I>><i> versions if you really want them. That's what I do and it was one of +</I>><i> the main reasons to become a contrib packager :) +</I> +I totally agree with both Juan Luis Baptiste and Buchan Milne. + +No rolling release! + +This is just a fancy word. + +But then, the "goals" of "rolling release" are already accomplished with the +current Mandriva system, and I hope Mageia will keep this functionality: + +backports + +Probably, what needs to happen is to publicize more backports for +advanced/cutting edge/rolling users instead of changing something that is +not broken. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#834">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#834">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#834">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#834">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000836.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000836.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..34361284c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000836.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Rewriting from scratch needs more manpower +</I>><i> > whatever is the number of tools... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> sure, but if more people are able to contribute, this could counter +</I>><i> balanced this fact . +</I> +Well, Fabrice you should know how FOSS works. + +Demanding leads nowhere. If you want the draktools in python or C or +whatever, start writing them and put your source on some svn/git repo. If +others are interested they will join you and eventually your codebase will +be good enough to replace the current one. + +That's how FOSS works. Telling others to do it, doesn't work. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#837">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#837">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#837">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#837">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000838.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000838.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..610c09e6a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000838.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim-bguSu8_W2mRDZqgsuZD0ExFb4-Y%3D%3DHQ4pi_A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000836.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000841.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim-bguSu8_W2mRDZqgsuZD0ExFb4-Y%3D%3DHQ4pi_A%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:47:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#838">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#838">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#838">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#838">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>><i> for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>><i> +</I> +How is it a waste? + +A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. + +><i> I do agree that Mageia should be a semi-rolling distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By "semi rolling distro" I mean the following: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Release a distro every 8-12 months (the exact cyle is not the point I'm +</I>><i> debating here, it could be 6 months too, it doesn't mater for the concept +</I>><i> I'm trying to explain). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Provide updates/security patches for all the basic stuff that has a lot of +</I>><i> dependencies (kernel, core libs, kde, gnome, xorg, etc.). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Provide newer release rather than backported security patches for all other +</I>><i> apps. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In other words, backports (rather than backported security fixes) should be +</I>><i> the rule for everything apart from the core system stuff that has loads of +</I>><i> dependencies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This would reduce the space requirements on the mirrors and it would mean +</I>><i> that Mageia is a "rolling distro" for most apps, making it more attractive +</I>><i> compared to ubuntu/Fedora/opensuse and at the same time reduce the workload +</I>><i> for packagers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +inexperienced user won't. + +Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +new/inexperienced/non-power user? + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#838">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#838">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#838">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#838">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000839.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000839.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aaedb6fe1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000839.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8fa4m%242l3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000827.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000861.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8fa4m%242l3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:44:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#839">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#839">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#839">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#839">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> However, changing to a "light" rolling distro would force other users, who +</I>><i> don't necessarily want these updates (or, don't want to pay for all the +</I>><i> bandwidth for these updates, because they are happy with the version they +</I>><i> have) to download them. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Other distros are now trying this model, only for browsers as I now. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We can run a poll for select what are the programs in that list, and then +</I>>><i> the devel team must tell us what programs can be upgraded due technical +</I>>><i> reasons and what programs can't do. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My own favourites list is: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Openoffice (LibreOficce?) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, you want to force everyone to download 300MB of packages, because you want +</I>><i> a few new features? +</I>><i> +</I> +We were just reminded in another thread that many users are still using +dial-up services. I think we should also keep this in mind. It would be +nice to know, even if you are just speaking in terms of your knowledge +of your country, if dial-up service are prevalent in your country. + +The update or do a rolling update may have a huge impact on these users. + +In Canada, dial-up is still used but high speed hookup is the norm. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#839">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#839">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#839">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#839">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000840.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000840.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..44591e458 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000840.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010050849270.25360%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000822.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000842.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010050849270.25360%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:54:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#840">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#840">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#840">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#840">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: + +><i> Actually yes, it's one of the - rather rare - cases where upstream, +</I>><i> OOo, offers readily installable binary rpms :) +</I>><i> (although you have to bear in mind that the openoffice version in the +</I>><i> Mandriva repos was the <A HREF="http://go-oo.org/">http://go-oo.org/</A> version, which has a saner +</I>><i> build system and is easier to maintain). +</I> +Not wanting to be confrontational, just curious. Are "saner build +system" and "easier to maintain" relevant to the user, which he should +take into account in making his choice, or are they mainly relevant +to developers/maintainers? + +Thanks, +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#840">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#840">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#840">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#840">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000841.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000841.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ee0639680 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000841.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C241.4cab2e82%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000838.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000845.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C241.4cab2e82%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 15:56:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#841">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#841">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#841">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#841">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 15:47 +><i> +</I>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I> +I don't think you really read or understood my proposal. +I'm not talking about a real rolling distro like Gentoo, I'm only talking +about foregoing backported security fixes for newer versions with regards +to apps that don't have anything depending on them. + +Mandriva already does that with very few apps (like Firefox), I'm just +proposing to extend that to more apps where it can be done safely. +A backported security fix can introduce as much regressions or instability +(IMHO actually more, because it's essentially a fork so less tested)than +upgrading to a new version. + +Of course it's up to the packager to use good judgement, if the new version +of a particular app is a complete rewrite, then it might not be safe to +provide the new version, but there are many case where it is perfectly +safe and beneficial for the user. + +><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I> +Sorry, but that comparison is nonsense, Debian and even mre so Gentoo are +not suite for novices for many reasons, not because they are rolling +distros. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#841">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#841">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#841">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#841">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000842.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000842.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a66746dae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000842.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikg8n7-_Vyiw1gYVvqY%2B2qBKAOFoWSPLnAR9v_m%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000840.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000846.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikg8n7-_Vyiw1gYVvqY%2B2qBKAOFoWSPLnAR9v_m%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:00:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 15:54, Dale Huckeby <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">spock at evansville.net</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Actually yes, it's one of the - rather rare - cases where upstream, +</I>>><i> OOo, offers readily installable binary rpms :) +</I>>><i> (although you have to bear in mind that the openoffice version in the +</I>>><i> Mandriva repos was the <A HREF="http://go-oo.org/">http://go-oo.org/</A> version, which has a saner +</I>>><i> build system and is easier to maintain). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not wanting to be confrontational, just curious. Are "saner build +</I>><i> system" and "easier to maintain" relevant to the user, which he should +</I>><i> take into account in making his choice, or are they mainly relevant +</I>><i> to developers/maintainers? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks, +</I>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I>><i> +</I> +Mainly for developers/maintainers. + +Also go-oo has some features that ooo doesn't have (I can't remember +those off hand), that would be relevant for users. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#842">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#842">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#842">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#842">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000843.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000843.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0b5a7bd2b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000843.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikQS3rM8Q-0UOXJczL24z4cDg6Q2Db1e7ZO8wCZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000868.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000844.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikQS3rM8Q-0UOXJczL24z4cDg6Q2Db1e7ZO8wCZ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:01:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#843">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#843">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#843">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#843">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maybe here could fit "my" idea of "core" repo. +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20101001/001761.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20101001/001761.html</A> + +In fact, what you need to define is what's the "core" system. + +Then you could see "core system" will be updated every X month. +Example: you decide to update core system every 12 month. + +So, "core system 2011" will last 12 month. But during those 12 month +you provide constantly updates / upgrades for all the rest of the +software that isn't part to "core". + +And of course, for "core system 2011" updates / bug fix / security +patches / etc. + +During those 12 month, you can work in "core system 2012". + +Here, the "rolling" part is the "non-core" software that is constantly updated. + +This way "core system" becomes more stable every day during the whole +year. But without getting older because in every moment you have the +latest GIMP or Thunderbird available. + +Cheers! + + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#843">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#843">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#843">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#843">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000844.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000844.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..075374052 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000844.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C245.4cab3087%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000843.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000847.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C245.4cab3087%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:04:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#844">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#844">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#844">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#844">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Gustavo Giampaoli wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 16:01 +><i> +</I>><i> In fact, what you need to define is what's the "core" system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then you could see "core system" will be updated every X month. +</I>><i> Example: you decide to update core system every 12 month. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, "core system 2011" will last 12 month. But during those 12 month +</I>><i> you provide constantly updates / upgrades for all the rest of the +</I>><i> software that isn't part to "core". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And of course, for "core system 2011" updates / bug fix / security +</I>><i> patches / etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> During those 12 month, you can work in "core system 2012". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here, the "rolling" part is the "non-core" software that is constantly +</I>><i> updated. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way "core system" becomes more stable every day during the whole +</I>><i> year. But without getting older because in every moment you have the +</I>><i> latest GIMP or Thunderbird available. +</I> +This is very similar to what I just suggested so I perfectly agree with +you. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#844">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#844">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#844">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#844">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000845.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000845.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ebb332451 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000845.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimigAAppiyv4LKkyRA0KwrGyGuaPdrsMZeQd1Ln%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000841.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000867.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimigAAppiyv4LKkyRA0KwrGyGuaPdrsMZeQd1Ln%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:10:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#845">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#845">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#845">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#845">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 15:56, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 15:47 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think you really read or understood my proposal. +</I>><i> I'm not talking about a real rolling distro like Gentoo, I'm only talking +</I>><i> about foregoing backported security fixes for newer versions with regards +</I>><i> to apps that don't have anything depending on them. +</I>><i> +</I> +Which, if you read the umpteen emails up there :), can and will +introduce new fixes/features and also new regressions, I don't think +any QA team can handle such kind of flow all year long. + +><i> Mandriva already does that with very few apps (like Firefox), I'm just +</I>><i> proposing to extend that to more apps where it can be done safely. +</I> +That's *one* app, and a sort of a special case, and when updating +firefox, it's not just one package, sec. team has to update the +localisation packages, new libnss, new libnspr... etc, as a new +firefox version requires newer libs sometimes. + +><i> A backported security fix can introduce as much regressions or instability +</I>><i> (IMHO actually more, because it's essentially a fork so less tested)than +</I>><i> upgrading to a new version. +</I>><i> +</I> +Not really, I think a sec. fix/patch has much less chances of breaking +an app than a whole new version. + +><i> Of course it's up to the packager to use good judgement, if the new version +</I>><i> of a particular app is a complete rewrite, then it might not be safe to +</I>><i> provide the new version, but there are many case where it is perfectly +</I>><i> safe and beneficial for the user. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, but that comparison is nonsense, Debian and even mre so Gentoo are +</I>><i> not suite for novices for many reasons, not because they are rolling +</I>><i> distros. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +No, it isn't nonsense (not just because I posted it :)); +Cooker/Cauldron is the same, it _is_not_ for new/inexperienced users, +too much work, you have to figure out when to update / skip an update, +how to revert to an older package to get a working system again... +etc. Read cooker ML archives, many examples on this. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#845">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#845">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#845">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#845">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000846.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000846.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4d19b614f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000846.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Are "saner build +</I>><i> system" and "easier to maintain" relevant to the user, which he should +</I>><i> take into account in making his choice, or are they mainly relevant +</I>><i> to developers/maintainers? +</I> +Given that developers/maintainers time directly impact ont he number of +bugs and features they can work on for users, I would say both. + +Except that most users do not realize. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#846">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#846">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#846">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#846">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000847.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000847.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..71a18bca1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000847.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051621.23729.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000844.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000848.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051621.23729.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:21:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#847">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#847">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#847">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#847">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 15:47:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>><i> > for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I> +No need to update. What on earth is that feeling that a rolling distro forces +users to update ? + +><i> +</I>><i> > I do agree that Mageia should be a semi-rolling distro. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > By "semi rolling distro" I mean the following: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Release a distro every 8-12 months (the exact cyle is not the point I'm +</I>><i> > debating here, it could be 6 months too, it doesn't mater for the concept +</I>><i> > I'm trying to explain). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Provide updates/security patches for all the basic stuff that has a lot +</I>><i> > of dependencies (kernel, core libs, kde, gnome, xorg, etc.). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Provide newer release rather than backported security patches for all +</I>><i> > other apps. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In other words, backports (rather than backported security fixes) should +</I>><i> > be the rule for everything apart from the core system stuff that has +</I>><i> > loads of dependencies. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This would reduce the space requirements on the mirrors and it would mean +</I>><i> > that Mageia is a "rolling distro" for most apps, making it more +</I>><i> > attractive compared to ubuntu/Fedora/opensuse and at the same time reduce +</I>><i> > the workload for packagers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I> +PCLinuxOS is a rolling distro and is to inexperienced users. + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#847">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#847">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#847">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#847">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000848.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000848.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c983450a6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000848.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinJLYwFwNmSpsBVR8-wHx9xCAGkDUiGutON--u_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000847.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000851.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinJLYwFwNmSpsBVR8-wHx9xCAGkDUiGutON--u_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 16:27:20 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#848">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#848">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#848">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#848">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 16:21, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 15:47:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>>><i> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> > Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and backports +</I>>><i> > for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How is it a waste? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>>><i> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>>><i> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>>><i> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>>><i> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>>><i> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No need to update. What on earth is that feeling that a rolling distro forces +</I>><i> users to update ? +</I> +Really? they wouldn't be interested in security updates at all? + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>>><i> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>>><i> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>>><i> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>>><i> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>>><i> inexperienced user won't. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>>><i> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>>><i> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> PCLinuxOS is a rolling distro and is to inexperienced users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Olivier +</I>><i> +</I> +And nothing breaks? no critical apps get broken in that model? + +Personally I haven't use PCLinuxOS before, so can't tell for sure; my +guess would be yes, stuff break because new versions are prone to +introduce regressions. Note that this happens in cooker, which is +indeed a rolling distro. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#848">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#848">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#848">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#848">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000849.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000849.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a2c6a1253 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000849.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Note that this happens in cooker, which is +</I>><i> indeed a rolling distro. +</I> +Sure there can be breakages, but i have also experienced breakages (even +huges one like 2009.0 with kd4 updats completely uninstalling kde3 even +though kde 3 was still supported in 2009.0) with the mandriva model of +backported security fixes. + +Saying that the current mdv model is safer than a 'light' rolling model as +suggested in the previous posts is your personal opinion, not a fact. + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#851">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#851">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#851">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#851">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000852.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000852.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a9ba23701 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000852.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286294021.29594.118.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000850.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000853.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286294021.29594.118.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 17:53:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#852">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#852">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#852">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#852">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 15:28 +0200, Tux99 a écrit : + +><i> This would reduce the space requirements on the mirrors and it would mean +</I>><i> that Mageia is a "rolling distro" for most apps, making it more attractive +</I>><i> compared to ubuntu/Fedora/opensuse and at the same time reduce the workload +</I>><i> for packagers. +</I> +well, as a sysadmin who want to use the distribution, i think my +workload would increase. And so, as a packager who care about quality, I +think that my workload will also increase. + +Instead of focusing on features in cooker and focus on bug fixing once +the release is near, I will just have to focus on bug fixing every time. +So to me, that's a increase of workload. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#852">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#852">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#852">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#852">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000853.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000853.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f280f158e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000853.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Note that this happens in cooker, which is +</I>>><i> indeed a rolling distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sure there can be breakages, but i have also experienced breakages (even +</I>><i> huges one like 2009.0 with kd4 updats completely uninstalling kde3 even +</I>><i> though kde 3 was still supported in 2009.0) with the mandriva model of +</I>><i> backported security fixes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Saying that the current mdv model is safer than a 'light' rolling model as +</I>><i> suggested in the previous posts is your personal opinion, not a fact. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +A personal opinion based on facts. + +A rolling distro isn't a defined term, as Michael explained, now you +add "light" to the equation and it becomes even more undefined. + +I said all I got to say on this topic, now I can wait and see how +things turn out (my guess would be it'll stay the same, Cauldron a +rolling/dev distro, and stable releases on predefined intervals, just +my "personal" guess). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+ +If that is the case, it looks like a good idea. + + Daniel +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#855">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#855">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#855">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#855">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000856.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000856.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2e6685a91 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000856.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Remove msec. +</I>><i> 2. Disable PulseAudio. +</I>><i> 3. Delete /etc/X11/xinit.d/70net_applet +</I>><i> (net_applet is a pig and not needed for static wired connection) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Google Chromium is finally a browser that can handle gmail on +</I>><i> low-resource systems. Of course, it won't be playing YouTube +</I>><i> videos but for basic email and web-surfing, this system is usable. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here are some interesting outputs: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "free" right after logging into IceWM: (27MB RAM, no swap) +</I>><i> +</I>some of resources are not taken only by the window manager but also by +the toolkits and themes, which increase the memory usage. +Add a mail client (other than a browser looking at gmail or alpine via +imap) and you are puzzled...; but you have just described what is +considered the ideal client of the cloud os. Just a browser, nothing +more because you have everything you need (sort of). Some user might +have noticed the bouncing between these two kind of models: a mainframe +which becomes a PC (so program and data stored locally) a PC which +becomes again a mainframe (where applications and data are stored remotely). + +Such kind of a system, indeed more optimized/tweaked and lighter is also +included in some ASUS Deluxe motherboard FlashROM with the name of +ExpressGate/SplashTOP (includes firefox, a chat client, skype and +something for handling photos). + +><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On the front-panel of this system, there is the old LED which says +</I>><i> "233" with the "Turbo" button enabled and "133" with it disabled. +</I>><i> That could make an interesting photo for proving that Mandriva +</I>><i> and soon Mageia *can* run on legacy hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not sure if this was helpful but perhaps its a good data point? +</I>><i> +</I>A 233 is probably possible to be emulated on a core i7 using qemu +without any virtualization (kqemu, etc.), to look how it appear. Your +consideration about the network tools, etc. were also true: most of the +development were made for building a more confortable system for the +average user but at the same time become unconfortable and more resource +hungry for expert users which spent maybe some more time to learn how to +do a manual configuration. + +Bye +Giuseppe. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#858">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#858">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#858">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#858">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000859.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000859.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..56fc89253 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000859.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim9Wq5zhH3vrR7c5kpByNBKqz8KeiNx_cwCrMZ%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000858.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000864.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20i686%20must%20be%20Pentium%20II%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim9Wq5zhH3vrR7c5kpByNBKqz8KeiNx_cwCrMZ%3D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ?">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 19:26:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#859">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#859">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#859">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#859">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/5 Giuseppe Ghibò <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ghibomgx at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> A 233 is probably possible to be emulated on a core i7 using qemu without +</I>><i> any virtualization (kqemu, etc.), to look how it appear. +</I> +Still too fast. We would need to emulate slow PCI bus used for nearly +everything, slower memory, slow memory card :-) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#859">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#859">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#859">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#859">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000860.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000860.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..56eb48b29 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000860.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik%3DPvDZS306GAS3876wXRf9R6XSiagsp9rLc_1S%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000857.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000862.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik%3DPvDZS306GAS3876wXRf9R6XSiagsp9rLc_1S%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 19:33:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#860">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#860">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#860">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#860">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 18:54, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 17:41 +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A rolling distro isn't a defined term, as Michael explained, now you +</I>>><i> add "light" to the equation and it becomes even more undefined. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You shouldn't look at the name but rather at the description that me and +</I>><i> others have given here earlier. +</I>><i> +</I> +I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +sense here. + +>><i> I said all I got to say on this topic, now I can wait and see how +</I>>><i> things turn out (my guess would be it'll stay the same, Cauldron a +</I>>><i> rolling/dev distro, and stable releases on predefined intervals, just +</I>>><i> my "personal" guess). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess that depends mostly on what the packagers will feel like doing, +</I>><i> ultimately in a community distro nobody can be force anyone to do +</I>><i> anything, if too few people are doing security fix backports but most are +</I>><i> doing version backports then we will have this 'light' rolling distro (or +</I>><i> whatever you want to call it), if not then we will have the old mdv +</I>><i> model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +It's not I'll-work-my-own-way-and-do-what-I-want, any packager can do +so in his own repo/distro. There'll be rules which should be followed +even in a community-driven distro, otherwise it'll be chaos. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#860">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#860">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#860">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#860">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000861.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000861.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7343a472a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000861.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005184255.4cc3040b%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000839.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000818.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Margot</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101005184255.4cc3040b%40otfordduckscomputers.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 19:42:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#861">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#861">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#861">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#861">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 09:44:53 -0400 +Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> > +</I>><i> > However, changing to a "light" rolling distro would force other +</I>><i> > users, who don't necessarily want these updates (or, don't want +</I>><i> > to pay for all the bandwidth for these updates, because they +</I>><i> > are happy with the version they have) to download them. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> Other distros are now trying this model, only for browsers as +</I>><i> >> I now. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> We can run a poll for select what are the programs in that +</I>><i> >> list, and then the devel team must tell us what programs can +</I>><i> >> be upgraded due technical reasons and what programs can't do. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> My own favourites list is: +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Openoffice (LibreOficce?) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So, you want to force everyone to download 300MB of packages, +</I>><i> > because you want a few new features? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We were just reminded in another thread that many users are still +</I>><i> using dial-up services. I think we should also keep this in mind. +</I>><i> It would be nice to know, even if you are just speaking in terms +</I>><i> of your knowledge of your country, if dial-up service are +</I>><i> prevalent in your country. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The update or do a rolling update may have a huge impact on these +</I>><i> users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In Canada, dial-up is still used but high speed hookup is the +</I>><i> norm. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I> +Very few people in the UK are still using dialup, BUT there are +lots of people who are using netbooks with mobile broadband while +out and about. Mobile broadband in this country has very restricted +bandwidth, and if you go over your allowance it's very expensive! + +I doubt if mobile broadband users will be running cauldron on their +netbooks - possibly they will be brave enough to use cauldron on a +home machine but they will need the stable version on the netbook +so they have access to business records while they are away from +home/office - but it needs to be easy to switch off/opt out of +updating automatically every time there's an internet connection so +that netbook users don't have to waste precious bandwidth on an +update for OpenOffice. + +I know a couple of netbook users who have had problems with +automatic Windows updates running in the background on their +netbooks eating all their bandwidth and I wouldn't want Megeia +users to suffer the same fate. + +-- +Margot +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +**Otford Ducks Computers** +We teach, you learn... +...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you! +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#861">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#861">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#861">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#861">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000862.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000862.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3a51cf2ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000862.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051934560.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000860.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000863.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Tux 99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010051934560.20026-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 19:53:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#862">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#862">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#862">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#862">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: + +><i> I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +</I>><i> a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +</I>><i> sense here. +</I> +I give up, i'm not sure if it's a communication problem or if you are +simply pretending not to understand to wind us up. + +><i> It's not I'll-work-my-own-way-and-do-what-I-want, any packager can do +</I>><i> so in his own repo/distro. There'll be rules which should be followed +</I>><i> even in a community-driven distro, otherwise it'll be chaos. +</I> +Sure, guidelines on how to package, but not on what particular package a +specific packager has to package otherwise it wouldn't be a fun project +but rather unpaid drudge work. + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#862">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#862">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#862">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#862">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000863.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000863.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..749c7ae60 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000863.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikwhQVu2ohwUNaiZgPJDHuf%3DsPPiBB2u59i2uVp%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000862.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000865.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikwhQVu2ohwUNaiZgPJDHuf%3DsPPiBB2u59i2uVp%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 20:17:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#863">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#863">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#863">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#863">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 5 October 2010 19:53, Tux 99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +</I>>><i> a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +</I>>><i> sense here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I give up, i'm not sure if it's a communication problem or if you are +</I>><i> simply pretending not to understand to wind us up. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, according to you I don't understand what you're saying, and also +Michael doesn't understand what you're saying, but maybe it's +coincidence? + +I can only speak for myself though, IMHO, a rolling distro model +wouldn't work well in Mageia. It'll mean more work for packagers and +instead of packagers +concentrating/working-more/giving-more-of-their-free-time before a +release is pushed to polish their packages / fix critical bugs in +them, the workload will increase throughout the whole year, because +new versions are released all the time by upstream. + +>><i> It's not I'll-work-my-own-way-and-do-what-I-want, any packager can do +</I>>><i> so in his own repo/distro. There'll be rules which should be followed +</I>>><i> even in a community-driven distro, otherwise it'll be chaos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sure, guidelines on how to package, but not on what particular package a +</I>><i> specific packager has to package otherwise it wouldn't be a fun project +</I>><i> but rather unpaid drudge work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +I was mainly talking about major version upgrades in stable releases, +whether they go to backports or updates, that'll be according to the +policy the project leaders agree on. Packaging policies should always +be used, to maintain the quality of the packages in the distro. + +FWIW the argument that a rolling distro will cause less mirror size is +a bit wrong, main/updates + main/backports are always much smaller +than main/release, the same goes for contrib (though contrib/release +is bigger than all other repos put together). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#863">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#863">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#863">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#863">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000864.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000864.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40b901b54 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000864.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052046.45915.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000859.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Various%20proposals%20around%20backports%20and%20other%20media%0A%09management&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052046.45915.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 20:46:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#864">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#864">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#864">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#864">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello to everyone on the list, + +As some people said in another thread, Mandriva's current media schema already gives the opportunity to : +- install newer versions of software if needed (from backports media), +- keep a stable system with only security fixes if needed (updates media, for servers or any workstation where stability counts more than being bleeding-edge) + +However, we can improve things around backports, updates, testing and debug media for the end user's benefit. + +I'd like to propose the following improvements if you think they would be good (and I'm ready to help make them happen) : + + +- a section on the mageia website dedicated to package updates : what's new in security/bugfix updates, what's new in backports (aka version updates), ... with screen captures, description of what changed in this version, links to upstream websites, comments from users, focus on some applications... Some user communities already did that for 3rd party repositories for Mandriva, and having it in a centralized and visible place would make backports more visible. How many users know that latest versions for wine, wesnoth (one of the best opensource games), vlc, and many other packages are already available in backports media for mandriva ? Today there is a changelog mailing list, but this is not for everyone. +This would be more user-centric than packager-centric. I tried to improve backports visibility on the Mandriva forum, but without any automation it took an enormous amount of time to maintain : +<A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewforum.php?f=123</A> (see threads beginning with "New Soft" or "Backport") + + +- add a "welcome" screen to rpmdrake, where people could choose between : + * Browse and install security / bugfix updates + * Browse and install new versions of software ("backports") + * Install new software + * Uninstall software + * Skip this newbie step and get me to the real stuff, I'll use the various options to do what I need +Rpmdrake can also be enhanced to show for each package update whether it's a backport or a standard update. It's not easy currently (you have to dig into package details). + + +- (the biggest part, but the one with most long term benefits I hope) add metadata to media to make urpmi more media-aware. Today, rpmdrake detects backports because the backports media have "backports" in their name. That's a (useful) hack, but we could do better. One solution could be to give metadata to each media : + * release vs updates vs backports + * testing vs stable + * debug vs non-debug +Combination of these "tags" would give the following media : + * main release (just like today's media) + * main updates + * main updates testing : for update candidates, this is our current "main testing" media + * main backports + * main backports testing : for backports candidates (as someone who frequently does backports, I sometimes feel the lack for it) + * main release debug... + * contrib... + * non-free... +It may seem a lot of media, but in fact you have to think they all are only flavours of the main, contrib, non-free, and other media. We can think of a better presentation in UI tools that will in fact make them appear less cluttered than it is today : +<A HREF="http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/media-configuration-proposal.ods">http://stormi.lautre.net/fichiers/mageia/media-configuration-proposal.ods</A> + +In CLI, urpmi would default to using only release and updates media (which you could change in configuration if needed), and you could use other media with the following switches for example : +--use-backports : enables all backports media +--use-testing : enables all testing media +--use-debug : enables all debug media + +This way, no one would have to activate/unactivate the various media globally anymore. Let's say you need to test the latest vlc backport before it goes to "stable" backports. You'll type : urpmi vlc vlc-debug --use-backports --use-testing --use-debug and voilà ! No need to temporarily activate backports, testing and debug media globally, or specify every media manually via the --media switch. + +To not put too much burden on mirrors, packages going from a testing media to an non-testing media would be removed from the testing media. + + +This proposals are open to discussion, of course, as I have no power of decision and may be wrong. I guess there may be several weak points in my view, but I'm sure there are also strong points. + +Regards + +Samuel Verschelde +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#864">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#864">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#864">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#864">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000865.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000865.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b5e0d969 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000865.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286305014.29594.224.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000863.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000866.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1286305014.29594.224.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 20:56:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#865">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#865">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#865">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#865">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 20:17 +0200, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 5 October 2010 19:53, Tux 99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ahmad Samir wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> I looked at the description that Michael gave. And I think I know what +</I>><i> >> a rolling distro is having Cooker and all :). light/heavy makes no +</I>><i> >> sense here. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I give up, i'm not sure if it's a communication problem or if you are +</I>><i> > simply pretending not to understand to wind us up. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, according to you I don't understand what you're saying, and also +</I>><i> Michael doesn't understand what you're saying, but maybe it's +</I>><i> coincidence? +</I> +Well, let's try to be constructive. + +For all people interested into having a rolling release or a core based +distribution, I propose that they write a document explaining : + +- the release process ( ie, what you put on iso ) + - based on what criteria + - time based ? + - regular snapshot ? + - features based ? +- how to decide what packages are upgraded day to day + - what criteria for what kind of upgrade ( version upgrade, patch +upgrade ) + - what procedure for upgrade ( test stage, direct upgrade ? ) + - for how long + - how are updates built ( ie, against what tree ) +- what packages are not upgraded , unless there is a release, if there +is one + - what criteria warrant the stability of this component + - how do we decide it will be upgraded + +Once people are able to produce this document, we will all be able to be +on the same wavelength. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#865">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#865">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#865">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#865">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000866.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000866.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6be61679e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000866.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051741.54618.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000865.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000849.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010051741.54618.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 17:41:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#866">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#866">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#866">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#866">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 16:27:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 5 October 2010 16:21, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > Le mardi 5 octobre 2010 15:47:20, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +</I>><i> >> On 5 October 2010 15:28, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> >> > Personally I think the way Mandriva maintains both updates and +</I>><i> >> > backports for each release is a waste of resources. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> How is it a waste? +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> A practical example is the college professor / school teacher (see +</I>><i> >> Fernando Parra post a few emails back); he doesn't want to upgrade the +</I>><i> >> boxes in the lab, he doesn't care if they have the newest/shiniest +</I>><i> >> versions, just that the distro is stable and works(tm). The same +</I>><i> >> applies for a company, servers... etc. We aren't talking only about +</I>><i> >> personal boxes that can break without too much drastic consequences. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > No need to update. What on earth is that feeling that a rolling distro +</I>><i> > forces users to update ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Really? they wouldn't be interested in security updates at all? +</I> +I just say that updating is not something imposed, you are free to update or +not to update, you are free to just install security updates. Either under +fixed or rolling no one is imposed to do updates. When reading the topic i get +the feeling that some think that rolling distro means to be forced to do +updates. + +><i> +</I>><i> >> Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>><i> >> be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>><i> >> users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>><i> >> introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>><i> >> experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>><i> >> inexperienced user won't. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>><i> >> right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>><i> >> new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > PCLinuxOS is a rolling distro and is to inexperienced users. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Olivier +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And nothing breaks? no critical apps get broken in that model? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I haven't use PCLinuxOS before, so can't tell for sure; my +</I>><i> guess would be yes, stuff break because new versions are prone to +</I>><i> introduce regressions. Note that this happens in cooker, which is +</I>><i> indeed a rolling distro. +</I>><i> +</I> +From what i've heard (mainly former users of Mandriva who switched to PCLOS +because they did not want to change their distro every 6 months while wishing +to have up-to-date softwares) there is no major break. + +Rolling distro does not mean no test for updates or no development version. + +I find it odd for a user llike me to read that we can have a rolling +distribution unstable, but we can't have a stable rolling distribution + +Olivier +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#866">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#866">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#866">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#866">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000867.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000867.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3a044a621 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/000867.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052201.13419.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000845.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000868.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Buchan Milne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010052201.13419.bgmilne%40multilinks.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">bgmilne at multilinks.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 5 23:01:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#867">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#867">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#867">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#867">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday, 5 October 2010 14:56:21 Tux99 wrote: +><i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 15:47 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Again a rolling distro is something that's not clearly defined. And to +</I>><i> > be honest, a rolling distro isn't suitable for new or inexperienced +</I>><i> > users. Simply because you can't guarantee that a new package won't +</I>><i> > introduce regressions (or totally break an app), in this case an +</I>><i> > experienced user will know how to revert to an older version, a new or +</I>><i> > inexperienced user won't. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think you really read or understood my proposal. +</I>><i> I'm not talking about a real rolling distro like Gentoo, I'm only talking +</I>><i> about foregoing backported security fixes for newer versions with regards +</I>><i> to apps that don't have anything depending on them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva already does that with very few apps (like Firefox), I'm just +</I>><i> proposing to extend that to more apps where it can be done safely. +</I> +So, you don't want a rolling release, just a different security updates policy? + +><i> A backported security fix can introduce as much regressions or instability +</I>><i> (IMHO actually more, because it's essentially a fork so less tested)than +</I>><i> upgrading to a new version. +</I> +In many cases, this depends on the complexity of the fix. In many cases, the +security fix is trivial, but other changes that have ocurred in between are +significant and require much wider testing. + +So, this *will* vary from package to package. But, this has nothing to do with +the system of creating and deploying updates, rolling releases, whether users +are forced to upgrade everything whether they neeeded it or not. It is merely +a policy decision, which is up to the security team. + +><i> Of course it's up to the packager to use good judgement, if the new version +</I>><i> of a particular app is a complete rewrite, then it might not be safe to +</I>><i> provide the new version, but there are many case where it is perfectly +</I>><i> safe and beneficial for the user. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Look at the rolling distros that've been mentioned, Debian or Gentoo, +</I>><i> > right? would anyone recommend Debian or Gentoo for a +</I>><i> > new/inexperienced/non-power user? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sorry, but that comparison is nonsense, Debian and even mre so Gentoo are +</I>><i> not suite for novices for many reasons, not because they are rolling +</I>><i> distros. +</I> +Name one rolling release that is suitable to a large community of non-expert +users. + +Anyway, the rate-of-change in non-rolling distros which have high update rate +(e.g. Fedora) is unacceptable, real rolling distros are a usability nightmare +IMHO. + +Regards, +Buchan +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</A><A NAME="862"> </A> +<I>Tux 99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="815"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="819"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="855"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="825"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="832"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="858"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="843"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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+</A><A NAME="866"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="817"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="820"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="839"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="834"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="816"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="822"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="831"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="838"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="842"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="845"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="848"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="854"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="860"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="863"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="824"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="833"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="846"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="852"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="865"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="868"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="836"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="837"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="841"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="844"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="850"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="851"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="853"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="856"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="857"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="864"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="828"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="829"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="830"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="849"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="859"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:26:00 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7c616459 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,312 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 5 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:06:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 53<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="815"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="816"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="817"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="818"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="819"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="820"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="821"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="822"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="824"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="825"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page +</A><A NAME="826"> </A> +<I>Filip Komar +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="827"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="828"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="829"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="830"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="831"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="832"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="833"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="834"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="836"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="837"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="839"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="838"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="840"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="841"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="842"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="843"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="844"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="845"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="846"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="847"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="848"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="849"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="850"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="851"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="854"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="866"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="852"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="853"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="855"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="856"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="857"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="858"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="859"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="860"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="861"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="862"> </A> +<I>Tux 99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="863"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="864"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="865"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="867"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="868"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:26:00 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/subject.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/subject.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f31bd6002 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/subject.html @@ -0,0 +1,312 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 5 October 2010 Archive by subject</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:06:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 53<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="815"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="816"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="829"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="830"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="828"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="832"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="837"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="833"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="817"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="819"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="820"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="822"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="824"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="827"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="834"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="836"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="839"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="838"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="840"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="841"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="842"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="843"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="844"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="845"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="846"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="847"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="848"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="849"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="850"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="851"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="854"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="866"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="852"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="853"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="855"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="856"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="857"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="860"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="861"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="862"> </A> +<I>Tux 99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="863"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="865"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="867"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="868"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="858"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="859"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="821"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="825"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="831"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="864"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="818"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page +</A><A NAME="826"> </A> +<I>Filip Komar +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:26:00 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91620c628 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101005/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,409 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 5 October 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:06:20 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 53<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01286229980- --> +<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="815"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<!--0 01286230194- --> +<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="816"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286230194-01286277285- --> +<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="830"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286239258- --> +<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="817"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286239258-01286240493- --> +<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="819"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286239258-01286240493-01286280046- --> +<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="834"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01286239258-01286268916- --> +<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="827"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286239258-01286268916-01286286293- --> +<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="839"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286239258-01286268916-01286286293-01286300575- --> +<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="861"> </A> +<I>Margot +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286239786- --> +<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="818"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<!--0 01286242542- --> +<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="820"> </A> +<I>Fernando Parra +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286242542-01286244884- --> +<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="822"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286242542-01286244884-01286286884- --> +<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="840"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286242542-01286244884-01286286884-01286287220- --> +<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="842"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286242542-01286244884-01286286884-01286288170- --> +<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="846"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286242542-01286246112- --> +<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="824"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286244378- --> +<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="821"> </A> +<I>R James +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286244378-01286244927- --> +<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="823"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286244378-01286244927-01286246625- --> +<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="825"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286244378-01286244927-01286246625-01286277591- --> +<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="831"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286261374- --> +<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-dev] Wrong link for FAQ on Mageia – Press Reviews page +</A><A NAME="826"> </A> +<I>Filip Komar +</I> + +<!--0 01286276804- --> +<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="828"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286276804-01286278230- --> +<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="832"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286276804-01286278230-01286278754- --> +<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="833"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--2 01286276804-01286278230-01286286247- --> +<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="837"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286277193- --> +<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="829"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01286285311- --> +<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="836"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286285311-01286286440- --> +<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="838"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286285311-01286286440-01286286981- --> +<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="841"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286286981-01286287838- --> +<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="845"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286286981-01286312473- --> +<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="867"> </A> +<I>Buchan Milne +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286286981-01286312473-01286313944- --> +<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="868"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286285311-01286286440-01286287317- --> +<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="843"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286287317-01286287497- --> +<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="844"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483- --> +<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="847"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840- --> +<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="848"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017- --> +<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="851"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300- --> +<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="854"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300-01286297643- --> +<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="857"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300-01286297643-01286300039- --> +<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="860"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300-01286297643-01286300039-01286301192- --> +<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="862"> </A> +<I>Tux 99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300-01286297643-01286300039-01286301192-01286302645- --> +<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="863"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293017-01286293300-01286297643-01286300039-01286301192-01286302645-01286305014- --> +<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="865"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286286440-01286288483-01286288840-01286293314- --> +<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="866"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286285311-01286290677- --> +<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="849"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286285311-01286290677-01286291547- --> +<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="850"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01286285311-01286294021- --> +<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="852"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286285311-01286294021-01286294291- --> +<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="853"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286285311-01286294021-01286294291-01286296757- --> +<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="855"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<!--3 01286285311-01286294021-01286294291-01286296757-01286296930- --> +<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="856"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286298836- --> +<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="858"> </A> +<I>Giuseppe Ghibò +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286298836-01286299581- --> +<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-dev] i686 must be Pentium II ? +</A><A NAME="859"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286304405- --> +<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-dev] Various proposals around backports and other media management +</A><A NAME="864"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 5 23:25:44 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:26:00 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |