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And of courses we are here for any question (but +</I>><i> a response can take a little time). +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree on making 2 + 4 requires. Is anyone against that? + +>><i> However, a new member might dislike reading documentation (but +</I>>><i> if that's the case, will he like reading bug reports?), might +</I>>><i> have no real Mga or similar experience, might have only a few +</I>>><i> hours a week available and might feel very uncomfortable about +</I>>><i> everything that he does in Bugzilla being visible "for ever". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, instead of saying: "read our documentation, read some bugs +</I>>><i> and then start", we should maybe first inquire who the new person +</I>>><i> is. How much time can he dedicate, how well does he know Mageia +</I>>><i> or other Linux distro's, is he used to working with the command +</I>>><i> line, does he like to read? +</I>><i> Yep, than will help to better assist newcomers. +</I>>><i> Also, I know we don't have time to mentor people. However to +</I>>><i> make things less hard for newcomers, would it be an idea to let +</I>>><i> them start with doing reports about package requests or (if they +</I>>><i> have more Linux experience) needinfo bugs? +</I>><i> I don't see what we can ask for package requests (beside make them +</I>><i> more readable, which will take 10mins (?) ) +</I> +For old ones: check whether they got packaged without anyone noticing +(that happened before) and, if they got packaged for cauldron only, +whether it is valid to package them for 2 + 1 as well. +For new ones - and maybe some of the old ones too: check whether they +were filed according to the rules -including good readability - and +whether the package was in Mdv 2010.x + + +><i> +</I>><i> For the needinfo bugs of courses, they could said if they +</I>><i> reproduce, provide more info if they can etc, it should be our jobs +</I>><i> too, but with our resources it's hard to do that for the most of +</I>><i> issue. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Or should we consider to *make* time for mentoring? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> WDYT? +</I>><i> Why not, we could start with the good practice in the bugzilla, +</I>><i> then each 1/2 week a new categories of bugs +</I>><i> (installer/media/segfault bugs/specific rpms/etc) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> btw: as you have certainly see, I have less time than before, but +</I>><i> can try to help newcomers if possible. (and I don't know why, with +</I>><i> that above I have less patience for doing something :s) +</I> +Don't worry, having little time makes impatient, that is normal. If +you do help newcomers, then please forget about all the bugs you'd +normally do. It is impossible to do both. + + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQaHIBAAoJEKWubDMI5nEB9gQH/RL8EQlYlHur6+7oHQUd/pT9 +bwlBoWswAahQ4qVXGUTC1A51LZOOOpgzKT4ue7/LLGET+xIggi5BBuzpe/jdpd02 +9Mbtf69WY3rRLGrNtipac13rAzwJi79ix4D3IohSybkoyYuJigkcHKI28xv1WvpO +pCpREwwLhdWKHlzqRvqtjS3fdM+eCoDh+Y/EB3F2VnQMHx6kxdX2PkGLZFPm42E/ +31dMvty/29arAuqiBqMz+pnSjDd450z0meEi9kwCv0EdPCK8sTRuyL62CQr1SFKR +HXe/6XNHTamzz2izxUBPxwdPGozMXtF7Da6lMAy07OlGU1L9YXiRl52QPGn2wlw= +=XWlO +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-bugsquad] all the new bug squad members we are going to have +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-bugsquad">More information about the Mageia-bugsquad +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |