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<H1>[Mageia-bugsquad] all the new bug squad members we are going to have</H1>
<B>Marja van Waes</B>
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<I>Sun Sep 30 18:23:33 CEST 2012</I>
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On 28/09/2012 10:59, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
><i> Le 27/09/2012 14:34, Marja van Waes a écrit :
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</I>>><i> Hi everyone,
</I>><i> Hi !
</I>>><i> If plans haven't changed, one of the next blogs will be about
</I>>><i> our leader, leuhmanu :-D
</I>><i> Nothing in my mailbox for now 0:)
</I>
Maybe I should ping someone ;)
>><i> That might lead to a lot of new bug squad members joining us.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> However, until now we have *not* been very successful in keeping
</I>>><i> new members, nor in helping them to get started. :-(
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> One thing that at least I did wrong: I expected that what worked
</I>>><i> for me, would work for them, without wondering whether they'd
</I>>><i> maybe be very different.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> What made it easier for me to get started and do a lot for bug
</I>>><i> squad (until I ended up in other teams) was:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> 1. that I liked to read the documentation 2. that I had Mdk +
</I>>><i> Mdv+ Mga experience 3. that, after initially not really having
</I>>><i> time, I was able to free up 16 hours a week 4. that the idea that
</I>>><i> everyone could see my silliest mistakes, didn't terrify me
</I>>><i> (that's one of the upsides of getting older ;) )
</I>><i> 2+4 seems à require for me to not loose time for the new contrib,
</I>><i> aka have a little experience in the rh/mdv/mga world and do not be
</I>><i> afraid to make a blunder, there are enough people who read bugs@ to
</I>><i> correct a mistake. And of courses we are here for any question (but
</I>><i> a response can take a little time).
</I>><i>
</I>
I agree on making 2 + 4 requires. Is anyone against that?
>><i> However, a new member might dislike reading documentation (but
</I>>><i> if that's the case, will he like reading bug reports?), might
</I>>><i> have no real Mga or similar experience, might have only a few
</I>>><i> hours a week available and might feel very uncomfortable about
</I>>><i> everything that he does in Bugzilla being visible "for ever".
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> So, instead of saying: "read our documentation, read some bugs
</I>>><i> and then start", we should maybe first inquire who the new person
</I>>><i> is. How much time can he dedicate, how well does he know Mageia
</I>>><i> or other Linux distro's, is he used to working with the command
</I>>><i> line, does he like to read?
</I>><i> Yep, than will help to better assist newcomers.
</I>>><i> Also, I know we don't have time to mentor people. However to
</I>>><i> make things less hard for newcomers, would it be an idea to let
</I>>><i> them start with doing reports about package requests or (if they
</I>>><i> have more Linux experience) needinfo bugs?
</I>><i> I don't see what we can ask for package requests (beside make them
</I>><i> more readable, which will take 10mins (?) )
</I>
For old ones: check whether they got packaged without anyone noticing
(that happened before) and, if they got packaged for cauldron only,
whether it is valid to package them for 2 + 1 as well.
For new ones - and maybe some of the old ones too: check whether they
were filed according to the rules -including good readability - and
whether the package was in Mdv 2010.x
><i>
</I>><i> For the needinfo bugs of courses, they could said if they
</I>><i> reproduce, provide more info if they can etc, it should be our jobs
</I>><i> too, but with our resources it's hard to do that for the most of
</I>><i> issue.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Or should we consider to *make* time for mentoring?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> WDYT?
</I>><i> Why not, we could start with the good practice in the bugzilla,
</I>><i> then each 1/2 week a new categories of bugs
</I>><i> (installer/media/segfault bugs/specific rpms/etc)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> btw: as you have certainly see, I have less time than before, but
</I>><i> can try to help newcomers if possible. (and I don't know why, with
</I>><i> that above I have less patience for doing something :s)
</I>
Don't worry, having little time makes impatient, that is normal. If
you do help newcomers, then please forget about all the bugs you'd
normally do. It is impossible to do both.
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