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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> must not do, it is better to not respond.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
+</I>&gt;<i> process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
+</I>
+Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :)
+
+&gt;<i> me saying &quot;I prefer&quot;... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
+</I>&gt;<i> any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
+</I>&gt;<i> instructions on what Mageia should so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, I didn't take it that way...
+
+I just pointed out that the distro &lt;-&gt; DE symbiosis need to be
+considered from both POV.
+
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is long term and difficult.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Power I fully agree with.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and you are done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends on who is giving the support.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So true.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
+</I>&gt;<i> like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
+</I>&gt;<i> own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
+</I>&gt;<i> just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
+</I>&gt;<i> with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly
+progressing...
+
+&gt;<i> Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
+</I>&gt;<i> does.. nothing more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Same here,
+
+--
+
+Thomas
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