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<H1>[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans</H1>
<B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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<I>Mon Jun 4 21:21:14 CEST 2012</I>
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<PRE>04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev:
><i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
</I>>><i> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev:
</I>>>><i> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
</I>>>><i> gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
</I>>>><i> must not do, it is better to not respond.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long
</I>><i> process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
</I>
Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :)
><i> me saying "I prefer"... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that
</I>><i> any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are
</I>><i> instructions on what Mageia should so.
</I>><i>
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Nope, I didn't take it that way...
I just pointed out that the distro <-> DE symbiosis need to be
considered from both POV.
>>><i> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed,
</I>>><i> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better...
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
</I>>>><i> need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
</I>>>><i> should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
</I>>>><i> is long term and difficult.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_
</I>>><i> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Power I fully agree with.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what
</I>>><i> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing
</I>>><i> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then...
</I>>><i> and you are done.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Depends on who is giving the support.
</I>><i>
</I>
So true.
>><i> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to
</I>>><i> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Indeed.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one
</I>>><i> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And
</I>><i> sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something
</I>><i> like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their
</I>><i> own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions,
</I>><i> just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly
</I>><i> with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it.
</I>><i>
</I>
Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly
progressing...
><i> Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it
</I>><i> does.. nothing more.
</I>><i>
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Same here,
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Thomas
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