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+ <B>Buchan Milne</B>
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+----- &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 11:18:03 schreef Olivier Blin:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; It can't be &quot;free&quot; and have &quot;non-free&quot; firmware... previously
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; firmware only were on the Live CD's. I am not sure anything has
+</I>&gt;<i> been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; changed in that regard (i.e. I didn't see the matter get
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; yet).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; They were also on the PowerPack images, and they are installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; automatically over a network install
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; But to be installed via network you have to have a network
+</I>&gt;<i> connection
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; first, n'est-ce pas?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That's what this thread is about.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is now also about &quot;in which media should we include non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages?&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, about if they are really non-free... stuff released as BSD is free
+</I>&gt;<i> in my
+</I>&gt;<i> book. if they don't comply, they could be sued for all i care, but
+</I>&gt;<i> it's still
+</I>&gt;<i> free.
+</I>
+Well, even if they say the source code is BSD, if:
+1)The source is not provided (under a free license)
+2)The source can't be compiled with a free toolchain
+then it is non-free, and most likely the license is wrong, and they have chosen to relicense from BSD to a proprietary licence (which BSD of course allows).
+
+Compare e.g. Darwin and Mac OS X. Since Mac OS X is has some originally BSD source code, must Apple provide me with complete Mac OS X source code? If they don't, do I have grounds to sue? No. Is it Free? Most definitely not.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
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