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I never ever heard any Ubuntu user (nor even fan boys at +</I>><i> events) talking about names or colors when describing the benefits of +</I>><i> their distribution. Oh, and BTW: Ubuntu changed colors because a lot +</I>><i> of Ubuntu users did not like the colors - how could they have been +</I>><i> attracted by colors they don't like and want to be changed? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What Ubuntu did very well and what made their success is based on 3 +</I>><i> parts (and I do not mean lots of money to win tenders in the business +</I>><i> world): +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Give the users the illusion that it is their distribution and that +</I>><i> it is what they are doing, not some company far away. With all +</I>><i> appearances, all speeches and all publications Shuttleworth gave out +</I>><i> one message: Ubuntu is you, you are Ubuntu. That was the top reason he +</I>><i> succeeded to build a critical mass of organised users who became the +</I>><i> most valued asset - a cost free PR system. +</I> +Indeed, but it was a holistic approach, nothing in isolation, everything +worked together + +><i> +</I>><i> 2. Ubuntu lets people download ISOs just as all the others. But it +</I>><i> also sends you CDs for free - I tried that once and 10 CDs were +</I>><i> delivered to my door within 3 days. For new users this is far more +</I>><i> attractive than any downloadable - what's it called, ISO?. +</I> +Indeed, That was a stroke of genius, not so keen on doing that now but as you +say, it grabbed new user base. OpenSUSE do this now, I had 200 DVDs sitting +on my doorstep 5 days after ordering for Sofware Freedom day + +><i> +</I>><i> 3. PR, PR, PR, PR and then again PR. The media, print and web were +</I>><i> flooded with PRs from Canonical, from local user organisations, etc. +</I>><i> Ubuntu succeeded to have their name hammered into the attention of +</I>><i> website and magazine readers, even non-IT media. Once started this is +</I>><i> a runner. +</I> +Oh yeah agreed + +><i> +</I>><i> None of this is related to the color or some names. Ubuntu would have +</I>><i> the same success, not one user less if they had never thought of those +</I>><i> names. +</I> +On this I would disagree. Colour is incredibly powerful, emotion is +incredibly powerful, style is incredibly powerful. + +None of the above would have worked without visual appeal and emotional +connection. Ask any PR professional. + +The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example. The packaging up to 11.2 was +designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well +packaged. I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave +away about 30 of the hundred I had. I decided to make a play for LCA and got +a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended +with a wjhole lot left over. + +Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called +OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market +bright colours and no grey. There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists. +Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense. + +The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave +away. Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it +has to be part of a whole package. + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2076">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2076">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2076">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2076">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002077.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002077.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3b4eb301f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002077.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Mirror%20size&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3ocbbkjxz.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002081.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002079.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20Mirror%20size&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3ocbbkjxz.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 00:09:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2077">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2077">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2077">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2077">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> writes: + +>><i> If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all +</I>>><i> arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have 2 choices : +</I>><i> - all arch synced ( ie, x86 and x86_64 for now, likely arm and others in +</I>><i> the future ) +</I>><i> - main archs synced, others possibly unsynced ( either the time to be +</I>><i> ported, or more "permanently" ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In the past, we did it the secund way. Arm was ported from stable +</I>><i> release, ppc, sparc were develop as side arch, etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Since arm buildbots may be slower than x86 builder, using solution 1 +</I>><i> ( everything synced ) can cause trouble. Noarch rpm will be synced, but +</I>><i> since some noarch depend on arch dependent rpms ( like python modules +</I>><i> who depend on the version of python, or packages who produces +</I>><i> arch-dependent and noarch rpms ), we will need to keep also binary rpm +</I>><i> in sync. +</I>><i> So that mean we will have to wait on the slower builder before +</I>><i> uploading. Think of open office, for example. +</I> +Right, we probably don't want to wait for slower arches to finish their +build to push i586/x86_64/src packages on the mirrors. + +Having unsynced noarch packages sort of defeats the goal of noarch +packages, but well, it's probably better than waiting for arm builds on +every upload. +We could use qemu-arm to rebuild ARM packages from x86_64 build hosts +(the OBS way), but rtp would probably not be happy with that, since the +toolchain binaries are not tested on real hardware at build time. + +Using cross-compilantion would be even worse, since the ARM toolchain +binaries would not even be run at build time; so you can get an ARM +toolchain package that is built fine but is never used on the official +build system, meaning you don't know if it can produce correct code, and +you can't really trust it. + +Also, have unsynced ARM tree can cause some deps timing issue at build +time. + +For example, one uploads a new gtk. Just after upload is finished (meaning +built on i586 + x86_64), she uploads a new gimp with a buildrequire on +this new gtk. +This gimp should be built fine on i586 + x86_64, but will not get +through on ARM because the gtk dep will probably not be available yet. + + +Another solution could be the way we handled x86_64 at the beginning of +its port in Mandrake. There was a iurt rebuild bot that was not +triggered at upload time, but running in a loop to rebuild packages +releases that were available on i586 but not yet on x86_64. + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2077">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2077">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2077">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2077">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002078.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002078.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd2608dfb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002078.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA8FE0B.5000500%40mageia-devel.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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It will need some tweaking (that others would have +needed also : mainly about troll management, and also support +enhancements for example to mark support topics as [solved]) to match +more closely our needs... + +So we started to work on phpBB3 with ash (thanks to ennael personal +funding)... + +One cool thing is that phpBB3 is published also through git so we are +able to track upstream changes and merge them quickly into our running +version without breaking local patches and enhancements. (The upgrade +via this method has been successfully tested a few hours ago) + +At this precise minute we have a fresh new (skinned) up-to-date phpBB3 +running that still needs a few adds (language packs for example). + +Hope we'll be soon able to push DNS records so that everybody can get in +and give us feedback and improvement proposals. + +Stay tuned, +Maât (a little bit tired... sorry my english is probably uglier than usual) + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2079">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2079">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2079">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2079">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002080.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002080.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aa31f6446 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002080.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C20101003222948.GH1637%40virgo.home.nanardon.zarb.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Ireland has its +own country code all of its own. ISO agreement are traditionally closely +monitored by the UN membership states. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2082">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2082">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2082">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2082">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002083.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002083.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b35a8c5a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002083.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b5e1%241gm%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002082.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002085.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b5e1%241gm%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:00:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2083">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2083">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2083">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2083">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a +</I>><i> channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I +</I>><i> don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make +</I>><i> sense. +</I>><i> The reason for having those "sub channels" is, that people can speak in their +</I>><i> own language... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized +German language code is now "ger" as seen by the ISO Country code +charts. It used to be "de", however, "ger" is more representative of the +spoken language and not of the country code and is now accepted as the +language code for the german language.. In this case, if you are +observing the ISO standard, #mageia-de signifies a German (country) +channel. To represent the language, #mageia-ger would be representative +of the german language speaking users. So, for example, where I live, it +is a german-speaking community, Oktoberfest in Waterloo Canada is about +to begin. The german-speaking community interested in speaking on an Irc +Mageia channel would then look for #mageia-ger channel. + +It is a shame when we clamour for W3C and document standards adherence +to then dis-regard the use of ISO country and language standards. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2083">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2083">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2083">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2083">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002084.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002084.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..00f69e2db --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002084.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b5jk%241gm%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002117.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002086.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b5jk%241gm%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:03:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2084">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2084">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2084">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2084">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 17:34, Margot a écrit : +><i> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:45:37 +0200 +</I>><i> Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Le 3 oct. 2010 à 22:05, Patricia Fraser<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>> a +</I>>><i> écrit : +</I>>>><i> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:43:15 +0200 +</I>>>><i> Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Le 3 oct. 2010 à 21:12, Patricia Fraser<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>> +</I>>>>><i> a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography +</I>>>>>><i> (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here: +</I>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). +</I>>>>>><i> or by language (such as en-gb)? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Depends what people join channels for: language or local +</I>>>>><i> acquaintances? [...] +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> In our case it was a local support channel for UK users, so it's +</I>>>><i> geographic - could we support a mixture, so use the iso code for +</I>>>><i> language if the channel is for language, but where there's a +</I>>>><i> conflict fall back on the long form (such as en-gb)? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> After reading Marc's suggestion, maybe: +</I>>><i> - keeping the 2 letters ISO format for locales (ie #mageia-fr +</I>>><i> for French, #mageia-en-gb for British English etc.), +</I>>><i> - using full country name for local-based channels (ie +</I>>><i> #mageia-france, #mageia-greatbritain) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> could a solution? (although it makes for longer channel names). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Using two letters code for country and 3 letters code for +</I>>><i> languages would be more confusing. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please read my other posts - #mageia-unitedkingdom would be OK, +</I>><i> #mageia-greatbritain would NOT! +</I>><i> +</I> +This is why using the ISO country code and ISO language code works. It +sets the standard. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2084">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2084">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2084">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2084">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002085.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002085.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b6f93508e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002085.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DybFboR0Qx4t4_QzajOOvzC%3DfjLv8uWY0%2BkNQx%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002083.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002089.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DybFboR0Qx4t4_QzajOOvzC%3DfjLv8uWY0%2BkNQx%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:19:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2085">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2085">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2085">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2085">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized +</I>><i> German language code is now "ger" as seen by the ISO Country code charts. +</I> +Thanks for this lecture, it's the first time I even hear/read about +those 3-letter codes. In all the years of internet usage, in web, +usenet, mail I never came across this. Whenever somebody referred to +Germany and the language German it was "de". You never stop +learning... + +So we should change all the URLs for the language-specific pages like +mageia.org/de into mageia.org/ger (and all other languages) same with +the IRC channels, unless the channels are country-related. I wonder +whether the users of such pages and channels know this. I don't think +that anybody in Germany would search for "ger"... + +How would you suggest to solve this? +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2085">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2085">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2085">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2085">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002086.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002086.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..19b5761b8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002086.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b6ld%2454t%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002084.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002087.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b6ld%2454t%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:21:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2086">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2086">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2086">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2086">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> Hi there +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are +</I>><i> quite different from ML users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a +</I>><i> distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are +</I>><i> also end-users). End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we +</I>><i> will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum +</I>><i> must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top +</I>><i> posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just +</I>><i> use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in +</I>><i> computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how +</I>><i> theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside +</I>><i> those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite +</I>><i> impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. As a user i +</I>><i> do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to +</I>><i> navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more +</I>><i> attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same +</I>><i> thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient, +</I>><i> but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point +</I>><i> and click, validate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also +</I>><i> two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc +</I>><i> Paré is on) ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>><i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me +</I>><i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>><i> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I>><i> +</I> +You have actually enumerated the many reasons why this is such a great +setup. Regardless of anyone's preference of communication, we can all +talk to each other. It's as if there was a universal translator that +would enable everyone to speak in their native language but we could all +understand each other --- you know like on StarTrek Voyageur! + +Anyone can pick the way they want their voice to be heard and we can all +hear, whether you are a dev or user. I don't think that there will ever +be an efficient and unified communication tool, so if we can offer ML, +usenet and forums to everyone to pick from, then it is a big plus for +our distro. How wonderful is that? + +BTW ... I also manage an online magazine and receive messages from user +mailists ... approximately 20-30 of them. They are pretty active and +none of them are dev mailists. + +Eh! oui, je participe aussi à alt.os.linux.mandriva mais je ne suis pas +le seul du groupe usenet Mandriva qui est à l'écoute ici sur le Mageia +mailist. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2086">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2086">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2086">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2086">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002087.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002087.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a6e15d8a3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002087.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b7f2%247pl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002086.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002095.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b7f2%247pl%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:34:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2087">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2087">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2087">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2087">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 17:41, Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 à 21:12 +0000, André Machado a écrit : +</I>>><i> Marc, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> When Mageia Association have the sufficient financial resources, won't it can +</I>>><i> make an agreement for these drivers deployment with yours manufacturers? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, how much is "sufficient financial resources" ? +</I>><i> +</I> +One of the stories about this problem is that some of the modem, etho +card manufacturers may have at one time "borrowed" proprietary code to +make their hardware work. So, for some of them, there is no interest in +having their code exposed. + +I think that most manufacturers are at the point where they can no +longer disregard the linux user base. They will eventually all +contribute if they want to sell more of their hardware. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2087">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2087">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2087">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2087">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002088.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002088.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca9336fe7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002088.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinq-1h_CqrG%2Bc3ire%2B9if%2BiR5mWkZK8%2BohqVBJm%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002076.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002140.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinq-1h_CqrG%2Bc3ire%2B9if%2BiR5mWkZK8%2BohqVBJm%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:38:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2088">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2088">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2088">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2088">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example.  The packaging up to 11.2 was +</I>><i> designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well +</I>><i> packaged.  I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave +</I>><i> away about 30 of the hundred I had.  I decided to make a play for LCA and got +</I>><i> a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended +</I>><i> with a wjhole lot left over. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called +</I>><i> OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market +</I>><i> bright colours and no grey.  There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists. +</I>><i> Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave +</I>><i> away.  Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it +</I>><i> has to be part of a whole package. +</I>><i> +</I> +Matches my experience with CDs/DVDs on events. Put 20 CDs without +colorful labels beside 100 CDs with colored labels, both stacks with +the same software - you will end up with 20 unlabeled CDs left, no +labeled left. That's obvious. + +The downside with this experiment is: at exhibitions many people grab +everything which looks nice, then afterwards they start looking at +those things and sorting out what to take home and what to throw away. +You can see it everywhere at consumer exhibitions, be it Solutions +Linux, Linux World Expo, Linuxtag - outside the buildings you will +find lots of colorful nice looking things in the waste baskets. + +After I learned that back in 2000 where Mandrakelinux handed out 4000 +CDs on one weekend, I don't give anything on this particular feature. +Don't get me wrong, the wrapping is important. But by the end of the +day the contents is what counts, not the wrapping. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2088">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2088">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2088">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2088">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002089.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002089.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ebf1d0ebe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002089.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b83v%249l2%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002085.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002090.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8b83v%249l2%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 02:45:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 20:19, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/4 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized +</I>>><i> German language code is now "ger" as seen by the ISO Country code charts. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks for this lecture, it's the first time I even hear/read about +</I>><i> those 3-letter codes. In all the years of internet usage, in web, +</I>><i> usenet, mail I never came across this. Whenever somebody referred to +</I>><i> Germany and the language German it was "de". You never stop +</I>><i> learning... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So we should change all the URLs for the language-specific pages like +</I>><i> mageia.org/de into mageia.org/ger (and all other languages) same with +</I>><i> the IRC channels, unless the channels are country-related. I wonder +</I>><i> whether the users of such pages and channels know this. I don't think +</I>><i> that anybody in Germany would search for "ger"... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How would you suggest to solve this? +</I>><i> +</I> +I'll just use my magazine as an example, when I post a news item, I post +the country code. Some readers said that they were confused about this +and I just posted a link in the FAQ to inform them. Most of the readers +are now well informed of the system and I get very few comments about +country codes anymore. <A HREF="http://www.EarlyMusicNews.org">http://www.EarlyMusicNews.org</A> (it's in kind of a +live re-build right now -- for a couple of reasons.) + +There just needs to be an FAQ for the explanation to users and the IRC +channels are already mostly there. If the UK users wish to have their +own channel, then, following the naming pattern that Mageia has adopted +it would be #mageia-uk for the UK country channel, #mageia-eng for the +english language user channel; #mageia-de for the German country +channel, #mageia-ger for the german language channel. Once people get +the hang of it, it will be better understood. I don't really think it +would be a big deal to re-organize. + +There will be the usual complaints from the few but the FAQ will just +explain and common sense will prevail. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2089">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2089">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2089">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2089">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002090.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002090.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f92776b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002090.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin2J0Nby3fz9N1B3gomQC6-%3DkhR_C4cxMJ7AMyo%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002089.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002091.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin2J0Nby3fz9N1B3gomQC6-%3DkhR_C4cxMJ7AMyo%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 03:24:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2090">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2090">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2090">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2090">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> There will be the usual complaints from the few but the FAQ will just +</I>><i> explain and common sense will prevail. +</I> +It's easy with a small set of users who are using a certain platform, +I could possibly do that at mandrivauser.de as well. But if I would +tell a user to join me on the German Mageia channel on IRC he would +not find me because he does not know that the channel is mageia-ger +instead of mageia-de. +We are not talking about some users and some IRC channels. We are +talking about the majority of users, we are talking about all IRC +channels, and we are talking about all language related sub-pages of +mageia.org. Same goes for all other language related things like in +i18n the file de.po has to be renamed to ger.po and so on. + +We can not enforce this rule on one part of mageia.org and ignore it +in an other part. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2090">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2090">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2090">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2090">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002091.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002091.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3fb1117c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002091.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikTk328iEu-dxUfJm4z4kGXku845svp%2By%3DV2M5L%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I have been +</I>><i> using the Gmane so far, but for people who don't have access to the +</I>><i> Gmane this is a very good option. For that matter, the Gmane almost +</I>><i> becomes unnecessary. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nice work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +No! Gmane is essential. I certainly don't want to be dragged back kicking +and screaming to the eighties. For me personally, a forum is OK for +reference but awful for just looking at new posts. + +-- +Cliff + +Please reply to the list only. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2095">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2095">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2095">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2095">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002096.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002096.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7e7650673 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002096.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040904.26596.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002126.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002099.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040904.26596.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:04:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-04 +><i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized +</I>><i> German language code is now "ger" as seen by the ISO Country code +</I>><i> charts. It used to be "de", however, "ger" is more representative of the +</I>><i> spoken language and not of the country code and is now accepted as the +</I>><i> language code for the german language. +</I> +Ok, there is an ISO standard telling me, that GER is more representative then +DE. I understand that and I can't do anything about it. +But why should that be the case? If I were somebody not speaking German (or +"deutsch" as the German speaking people call it) I would search for GER, but +if I were speaking German I wouldn't because I don't call my language German, +I call it "deutsch". +No matter where you look, the German localization is called "de", not "ger". +Just go to KDE, GNOME or any big distro. +OO.o even calls the language packs "de_DE", "de_AT" and "de_CH". No GER again. +I'm not an Austrian and not a Swiss, but I think, they won't have any problem +with using "de" as code for the German language, not just the German national +state. +E.g. we do have quite some austrian and swiss members at mandrivauser.de who +did never see any reason for founding mandrivauser.at or mandrivauser.ch. +Because it would mean a lot of work to be done in triplets. + +I do think, that standardization commitees like the ISO (which in fact is an +US american organization, just widely acknowledged) should go out andf look at +reality before they decide on what is the standard. +Of course, I am young enough to lear to change from de to ger, but the +question is: does it make any sense at all? + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2096">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2096">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2096">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2096">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002097.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002097.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d85b7b45f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002097.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040926.03512.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002094.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frédéric CUIF</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040926.03512.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fredux86 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:26:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2097">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2097">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2097">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2097">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>><i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me +</I>><i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>><i> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I> +I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together. + +-- +Frédéric CUIF +Cofondateur de l'Association des Utilisateurs +Francophones de Mandriva Linux +www.mandrivafr.org +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2097">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2097">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2097">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2097">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002098.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002098.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7db1c6002 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002098.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040926.03512.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002094.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002100.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frédéric CUIF</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040926.03512.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fredux86 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:26:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2098">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2098">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2098">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2098">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>><i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me +</I>><i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>><i> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I> +I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together. + +-- +Frédéric CUIF +Cofondateur de l'Association des Utilisateurs +Francophones de Mandriva Linux +www.mandrivafr.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2098">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2098">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2098">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2098">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002099.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002099.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1d2c19d2f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002099.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C000301cb6397%249f0a1240%24dd1e36c0%24%40de%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002096.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002104.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C000301cb6397%249f0a1240%24dd1e36c0%24%40de%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">tvl83 at gmx.de + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:41:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- +Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von Oliver Burger + +><i>I do think, that standardization commitees like the ISO (which in fact is an +</I>><i>US american organization, just widely acknowledged) should go out andf look at +</I>><i>reality before they decide on what is the standard. +</I>><i>Of course, I am young enough to lear to change from de to ger, but the +</I>><i>question is: does it make any sense at all? +</I> +><i>Oliver +</I> + +As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too. But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a standardization. + +Regards, +TeaAge + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2099">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2099">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2099">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2099">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002100.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002100.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a966e1f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002100.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9854A.7070107%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002098.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002103.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9854A.7070107%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:42:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 09:26, Frédéric CUIF a écrit : +><i> Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>>><i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me +</I>>><i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>>><i> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together. +</I>><i> +</I>... provided that setting up such a bridge does not push developers and +packagers to retreat to (future) Cauldron list or to ruletrash emails +coming from the bridge (or even to switch to another distro with less +draconian rules) :-/ + +You can not force people to communicate without their assent :) + +Maât + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2100">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2100">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2100">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2100">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002101.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002101.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6462a22b0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002101.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C61AC698F-DACB-40C4-8B04-0A850B59580A%40marneau.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002124.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002113.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C61AC698F-DACB-40C4-8B04-0A850B59580A%40marneau.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">tempo2 at marneau.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 09:48:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the +</I>><i> only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category +</I>><i> of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as +</I>><i> Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it +</I>><i> promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want +</I>><i> a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk +</I>><i> together. +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi, +I love this last sentence. +But I have just a point to underline : an end-user will neither adapt +him to the discussions / methods / spirit / state of mind of a +developper ... for the unik reason that's just impossible for him. If +he adapt him, he's already a "fucky good" Geek : very near a developper. + +So : other developpers adapt they to the way of life of end-users +other you will neither have a discussion. + +At the end the distro will be made realy for end-users. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2101">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2101">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2101">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2101">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002102.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002102.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fdb946623 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002102.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFLiAPU3dTHwZLsrZS9LDTsBWmY8mAGEDcdOqW%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002122.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002106.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFLiAPU3dTHwZLsrZS9LDTsBWmY8mAGEDcdOqW%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 10:13:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 3 oct. 2010 à 23:34, Margot <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>> a écrit : +>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Please read my other posts - #mageia-unitedkingdom would be OK, +</I>><i> #mageia-greatbritain would NOT +</I> +Sure, but that was just an example. Don't take offense! :) + +My answer was not to say which exact name to use but what scheme to +use for local places/areas. + +Having read the full thread... using the 3-letters code for languages +is definitely not so obvious for native speaker looking for their +language. + +Having both #mageia-fr (country) and #mageia-fre (language) for +instead looks really confusing (or #mageia-de/#mageia-ger). + +We're already refering to -fr, -de, -es, etc. as language-based channels. + +#mageia-france, -deutschland, -espana, -chile, -argentina (or some +more locally designed community name) will look way more obvious for +what they imply (location-based). + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2102">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2102">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2102">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2102">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002103.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002103.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fab57b114 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002103.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C17d.4ca98ed5%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002100.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002108.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C17d.4ca98ed5%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 10:22:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 09:42 + +><i> ... provided that setting up such a bridge does not push developers +</I>><i> and +</I>><i> packagers to retreat to (future) Cauldron list or to ruletrash emails +</I>><i> coming from the bridge (or even to switch to another distro with less +</I>><i> draconian rules) :-/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :) +</I> +Maat this is unrational fear, that probably originates from the Mandriva +past. You cannot run a pure community distro like a distro run by a +commercial company, where paid developers (with the help of volunteer +devs) do their job and then throw it out there for the 'wild hordes' to +consume. + +A commercial distro attracts the kind of users who just want to be served a +good product and if they are not happy about it they come complain. +I perfectly understand why devs want to hide from those kinds of users. + +But a pure community distro attracts a different kind of user, users of +community distros know they are not owed anything, that they are "in debt" +with the devs and therefore the users behave differently. You can see that +if you look at other pure community FOSS projects. + +If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm +sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums) +simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk +only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums. + +Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will +also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't +behave. +The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are +volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them. + +XBMC is for example a FOSS project that has the developer subforums on the +main user forum and from my experience this is respected by the users. +see here: <A HREF="http://forum.xbmc.org/">http://forum.xbmc.org/</A> + +-- +(post sent from the Mageia ML Gateway Test Forum) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2103">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2103">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2103">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2103">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002104.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002104.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d76060565 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002104.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004102428.0000100c%40unknown%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002099.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002117.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Patricia Fraser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%20the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004102428.0000100c%40unknown%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">trish at thefrasers.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 10:24:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +Hi Thorsten, + +><i> As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between +</I>><i> the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the +</I>><i> ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country +</I>><i> code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too. +</I>><i> But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per +</I>><i> language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So +</I>><i> we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a +</I>><i> standardization. +</I> +Um... no, that's exactly the opposite of why the question was asked. +The UK (or GB) channel was opened *specifically* for local +support/action/events, not primarily for language support, so we *do* +want a locality/geographically-based channel identifier. + +Some other folks want language-based channel identifiers. + +Seems like we need a scheme that would incorporate both types of +identifier, and maybe some explanation of the identifiers on the +blog/chanserv/whatever. + +Also we've noted that we don't have a structure for naming ops and +granting privileges and so forth - need to think about that before the +trolls turn up. + +Cheers, + +- -- +Patricia Fraser +On the move +Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org +Dark Side - approach with caution +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMqY9NAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4Bz4IAIzDX748yNn98yb6NmRSj11D +zFXKCBfo0WOaUuibZyTKbmVHgrWpOQZk0S5pKuD9nS5n6iRuAdvl3TpRoczwQeze +m6Y83dnMObeoUaMTKFvWFkyCSzKbZqqCUf/c4F0c8Po1xRalzeRzFgqj+EXcSY17 +s5gF9C0qfNLntTohhQ5wdANNS1wnG0q/jzTRAJ7Xtm3hLkI4m/T3Vuaz90wZmMXh +G+3HCy1pJNt+IZAgwgsMhIUlCjw9aGJms6gaH65j2l3oEJAeMvwQX7LOLSXLDtUN +430IUs/VyaCHdT1V9Eae+kOvcdVLOJmKB0qKE3UZXttnFnFoYoDhPiEIqdmyCvc= +=danF +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2104">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2104">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2104">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2104">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002105.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002105.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..915c8d2a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002105.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041024.39788.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002143.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002120.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frédéric CUIF</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041024.39788.fredux86%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fredux86 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 10:24:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 4 octobre 2010 09:42:02, Maât a écrit : +><i> Le 04/10/2010 09:26, Frédéric CUIF a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML +</I>><i> >> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me +</I>><i> >> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>><i> >> will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :) +</I> +Yes, I know that my sentence sounds irrealistic or like a fairy tale... +But I think we should discuss about what could change in our behaviours. Why couldn' we think about adapting the way of treating information ? That's juste what i'm saying, and you might have noticed that I'm not working in computers ;) +Please, take into account that's only y point of view, and that my bad english makes me write my sentences not exactly as I would like to explain them :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2105">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2105">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2105">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2105">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002106.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002106.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ee1d31e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002106.html @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9972E.2010403%40tuxette.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002102.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002129.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup</H1> + <B>Lombard Marianne</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mirror%20infrastructure%20setup&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9972E.2010403%40tuxette.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup">marianne at tuxette.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 10:58:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 03/10/2010 23:32, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : +><i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote: +</I>>><i> Hi, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I did some work this Week-end: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Done. Nothing really interesting to say except the current setup is +</I>><i> temporary. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2) Mirrors list +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The application is availlable here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The svn can be fetch here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/">http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Short FAQ: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * the application need css and some html improvement: +</I>><i> => patch welcome +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * some features are missing +</I>><i> => yes, I know +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Comment welcome. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Done: +</I>><i> <A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You can already try to setup a mageia mirror over this URL. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The mageia_timestamp file is updated every 5 minutes on rsync.mageia, +</I>><i> distrib-coffee perform synchronisation every 20 minutes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think to register your mirror :) +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 4) Documentation +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A start is done: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Patch welcome. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards. +</I>><i> +</I>Juste try with my "mobile mirror" (a external usb disk who I use for +events and IP) + +And it works \o/ + +Thank you Olivier + +-- +Marianne (Jehane) Lombard +Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team +Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a +lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2106">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2106">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2106">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2106">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002107.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002107.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e1f0199a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002107.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041105.28477.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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We had a lively discussion on +the cooker ML not long ago where developpers gave some reasonable and +logic points where "intrudors from userland" would hold back +developpers from their work. Read the forums how some users keep +asking for this and that - IMHO not at all related to the fact that +they want to be served by some employees of a commercial company. The +proper way to communicate with developpers was the Bugzilla system. + +But you have a valid point in saying that Mageia is/will be different. +We already discussed a system of "Bug Friends", experienced users in +the forum helping unexperienced users to write proper bug reports to +express their wishes/suggestions. The ML<->Forum system with a good +set of rules and mods who keep enforcing those rules would be a good +system, too. In the Mandriva forum I was often told that an answer to +my question was in the cooker mailinglist - I refused to read that +lively list just to search for this particular answer. But with a +forum-like structure I would have searched the ML even before asking. + +So, yes, IMHO the gateway should be implemented - provided that it +will be in it's own section of the forum and it will be "guarded" by +some mods. Otherwise the devels will look for some other way to remain +undisturbed. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2108">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2108">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2108">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2108">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002109.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002109.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..916f2b8e8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002109.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041112.30547.cedbor%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002129.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002110.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>cedbor</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041112.30547.cedbor%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">cedbor at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 11:12:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2109">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2109">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2109">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2109">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le Sunday 03 October 2010 22:29:42, Marc Paré a écrit : + +><i> Could we follow conventional schemes such as: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ISO Country codes as found here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A> -- +</I>><i> normally 2 letter code +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ISO Language codes as found here: <A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp</A> +</I>><i> -- normally 3 letter code for language (or you could also use the +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</A> -- also 3 letter +</I>><i> code) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At least we would be follow standardized nomenclature schemes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO. +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A> +They're 2 letters and everybody knows them. 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Should be enough for us. +</I> +The good thing about 3 letters is that you easily see it is not a country +code. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2110">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2110">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2110">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2110">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002111.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002111.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d30bc4af2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002111.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimxqLjcSVjF-%3D9weKs_qFABEey74fJYW-hWb5J6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002110.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002114.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimxqLjcSVjF-%3D9weKs_qFABEey74fJYW-hWb5J6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 11:40:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>>: +><i> Den 2010-10-04 11:12:29 skrev cedbor: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO. +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A> +</I>>><i> They're 2 letters and everybody knows them. Should be enough for us. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The good thing about 3 letters is that you easily see it is not a country +</I>><i> code. +</I> +Provided you know about the 3-letter-code and the difference to the +2-letter-code +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2111">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2111">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2111">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2111">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002112.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002112.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..65a1ec00a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002112.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20wrong%20reference%20to%20flickr%20in%20the%20blog%20page&In-Reply-To=%3Cf98ff5fc459234aa2b4e6facff34b726%40localhost%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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The best way for me +</I>><i> > is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us +</I>><i> > will be on both tools but most will use just one. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow +</I>><i> end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We +</I>><i> cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because +</I>><i> it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution +</I>><i> set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together. +</I> +Excuse me ? + +You should maybe read what I posted on cooker last time this issue was +brought up, I may even have already posted the link here +<A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-08/msg00358.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-08/msg00358.php</A> + +Developers ( and people who contribute in general ) are free to act as +they want, there is no place for "MUST" in a community of volunteers, be +it for free software or for association. While there is case where it +will not work +( <A HREF="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all</A> ), i think that we are no in such case. + +If you still think that's not true and try to coerce developers into +reading users "because they must do it", this will likely result in +obvious clash, with user being unhappy ( because of false promise and +false hope ), or a lack of growth in the contributers base ( with lose +due to the usual erosion ), and at worst, a exodus to others projects. I +do not know for others, but neither alternative seems good for me. + +See also my mail on +<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100925/001191.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100925/001191.html</A> on how +we should try to improve things, based on what I think to be logical +arguments. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2113">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2113">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2113">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2113">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the 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<H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinFkDp_VnvtQEqBSN_OYnzOZXb3U0zO3%3DS9ssdQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 12:35:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2114">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2114">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2114">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2114">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Let's see other projects: + + * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no +strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language +primarily) + * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2 +letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel) + * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme + * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme + * others? + +What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to +their preferred channel. + + +So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: + 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); + 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; + 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +- and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; + 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; + +In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +#mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. + +That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +#mageia-brasil instead. + + +That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +soon). + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + 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all, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We've been (a few of us) hanging out in #mageia-uk, and the name of the +</I>><i> channel has annoyed some folks from the Ukraine, who wanted that name. +</I>><i> So, we have a nother (unofficial) channel now, called #mageia-gb. +</I>><i> However, when we looked at the ISO country codes, we discover that +</I>><i> Ukraine would actually be UA, and SE is Sweden, not the Sammi language, +</I>><i> as some thought. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter +</I>><i> country codes as per the ISO list here: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by +</I>><i> language (such as en-gb)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we could nail this down right away, it would save much grief later. +</I> +My own opinion is that : +1) a ruling would be too much dictatorial and bureaucratic +2) we should hear both group in case of trouble +3) we should also try to model this based on irc user expectations + +So, instead of trying to generalize naming, and trying to solve problem +that do not show up, let's focus on the issue of -uk . + +How are the others community channel named for both groups ? + +Fedora : +<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC</A> + +#fedora-uk -> united kingdom +nothing for ukranian + +Debian : +<A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> debian + +#debian-uk -> united kingdom +again, nothing for ukranian + +Ubuntu : +<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> +<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList</A> + +#ubuntu-uk -> united kingdom +#ubuntu-ua -> ukrainian + +Opensuse : +<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list</A> + +nothing for both + +Gentoo : +<A HREF="http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml">http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml</A> +#gentoo-uk -> united kingdom +#gentoo-ua -> ukrainian + +Arch : +<A HREF="http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channels">http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channels</A> + +Nothing from both. + +Freebsd : +<A HREF="http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels">http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels</A> +Nothing rom both + +So, my own understanding is that most users would expect to have -uk to +be us united kingdom, so we should follow this too. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2116">[ date ]</a> + <a 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We have to differentiate between +</I>>><i> the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the +</I>>><i> ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country +</I>>><i> code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too. +</I>>><i> But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per +</I>>><i> language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So +</I>>><i> we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a +</I>>><i> standardization. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Um... no, that's exactly the opposite of why the question was asked. +</I>><i> The UK (or GB) channel was opened *specifically* for local +</I>><i> support/action/events, not primarily for language support, so we *do* +</I>><i> want a locality/geographically-based channel identifier. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Some other folks want language-based channel identifiers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I'll go so far as to use South Africa as an example, We have many +official languages, using .za is possibly the best solution as it is +both the country and language code. I'm sure a good few other countries +have similar. I know for one, if i was wanting to get support in German, +I'd go to .de or French, I'd go to .fr. It's not that big a deal. +><i> Seems like we need a scheme that would incorporate both types of +</I>><i> identifier, and maybe some explanation of the identifiers on the +</I>><i> blog/chanserv/whatever. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also we've noted that we don't have a structure for naming ops and +</I>><i> granting privileges and so forth - need to think about that before the +</I>><i> trolls turn up. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I have over 15 years experience on IRC as both a Network admin right +down to channel op, I can assure you, no structure will prevent trolls. +What one can do is limit the trouble they cause as they cause it. I +suggest the various Mageia channels get to know the server staff in +#help and get brushed up on commands used on the type of IRCD that +Freenode uses. As for naming ops, I'd steer away from granting ops to +friends, but rather give it to those noteworthy and capable persons we +have at our disposal. + + +Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode) +><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - -- +</I>><i> Patricia Fraser +</I>><i> On the move +</I>><i> Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org +</I>><i> Dark Side - approach with caution +</I>><i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +</I>><i> Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMqY9NAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4Bz4IAIzDX748yNn98yb6NmRSj11D +</I>><i> zFXKCBfo0WOaUuibZyTKbmVHgrWpOQZk0S5pKuD9nS5n6iRuAdvl3TpRoczwQeze +</I>><i> m6Y83dnMObeoUaMTKFvWFkyCSzKbZqqCUf/c4F0c8Po1xRalzeRzFgqj+EXcSY17 +</I>><i> s5gF9C0qfNLntTohhQ5wdANNS1wnG0q/jzTRAJ7Xtm3hLkI4m/T3Vuaz90wZmMXh +</I>><i> G+3HCy1pJNt+IZAgwgsMhIUlCjw9aGJms6gaH65j2l3oEJAeMvwQX7LOLSXLDtUN +</I>><i> 430IUs/VyaCHdT1V9Eae+kOvcdVLOJmKB0qKE3UZXttnFnFoYoDhPiEIqdmyCvc= +</I>><i> =danF +</I>><i> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</I>><i> +</I> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2117">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2117">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2117">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2117">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002118.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002118.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..67e240ef9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002118.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9B017.1030604%40o2.co.uk%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002112.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002149.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>doug</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9B017.1030604%40o2.co.uk%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">dougrb at o2.co.uk + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 12:44:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2118">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2118">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2118">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2118">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> +</I>><i> As for proprietary winmodem drivers, there is nothing that +</I>><i> Mageia could really do as drivers are normally not allowed +</I>><i> to be distributed by third parties. But, like you mention, +</I>><i> some softmodems are supported. I guess it all depends on how +</I>><i> lucky/unlucky you are when you buy your desktop or laptop +</I>><i> computer. On the positive side however, the trend for major +</I>><i> computer builders this year is that they have been moving +</I>><i> away from "windows" only modem/ethernet cards. They are +</I>><i> including more OS inclusive hardware. Although, I believe +</I>><i> that this has also a lot to do with the Kernel version used +</I>><i> by Mageia as some of the OSS drivers are included in the +</I>><i> kernel. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So to re-cap this wish: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Mageia should be a little more sensitive to users who +</I>><i> have telephone hookups by providing and installing the tools +</I>><i> right at the very first install. There should be no +</I>><i> downloading of software at all if you are setting up a +</I>><i> dial-up connection in the MCC (Mageia Control Centre) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- Mageia should also try to be sensitive to the telephone +</I>><i> hook-ups by including the necessary tools for installing +</I>><i> winmodems/softmodems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a +telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection, +e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged +to depend on a 'dongle'? + +I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely +available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the +Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself +uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in +particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted +out for different broadband providers. + + +Doug + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2118">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2118">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2118">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2118">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002119.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002119.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf29964c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002119.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cc29%243r5%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002114.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002133.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cc29%243r5%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 12:59:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2119">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2119">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2119">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2119">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}: +</I>><i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already); +</I>><i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding; +</I>><i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team +</I>><i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway; +</I>><i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding; +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and +</I>><i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both +</I>><i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the +</I>><i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for +</I>><i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need +</I>><i> #mageia-brasil instead. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a "IRC +</I>><i> Council" of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to +</I>><i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage +</I>><i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the +</I>><i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation +</I>><i> soon). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +I am just curious to know, if you are mailing a package to the Ukraine +from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is +used in Europe. + +In North America, UK would be sent to the United Kingdom. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2119">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2119">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2119">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2119">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002120.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002120.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5c12d7252 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002120.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9B80F.7030007%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002105.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002124.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9B80F.7030007%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 13:18:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2120">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2120">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2120">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2120">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 10:24, Frédéric CUIF a écrit : +><i> Le lundi 4 octobre 2010 09:42:02, Maât a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, I know that my sentence sounds irrealistic or like a fairy tale... +</I>><i> But I think we should discuss about what could change in our behaviours. Why couldn' we think about adapting the way of treating information ? That's juste what i'm saying, and you might have noticed that I'm not working in computers ;) +</I>><i> Please, take into account that's only y point of view, and that my bad english makes me write my sentences not exactly as I would like to explain them :) +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry Fred i did not make my point clear :-( + +Your goal is something that i target too. Communication between end +users and devs IS definetely something we want to exist. + +But we need to take into the debate what the various people want or +reject to make something viable on the long run. + +The base of my point is this : + +1) Developers and packagers dont want to : +-- be harrassed +-- or to support stupid questions (think RTFM, STFW...) +-- or see useless topics (like "yey all see my new shiny pink desktop +theme \o/") + +1.1) But they are always ready to : +-- hear clever suggestions about missing cool feature or possible +improvement +-- and (of course) hear about real bugs + +2) Basic users want to: +-- have their problems adressed... wether by (upstream or not) devs or +packagers or support teams they don't care :) +-- provide feedback with the sureness that it will be taken into account + +2.2) they dont want to: +-- be blackballed by grunting dev / packager +-- have their requests or feedback trashed + +So the inescapable conclusion is that we cannot avoid to think a kind of +"permeable membrane" between the two communities that will : + +-- protect devs and packagers from useless topics or inconsequential +chatter from end users +-- allow subjects which deserve special attention to pass through +(whether bugs or cool suggestions) and keep people linked on this +particular subject + +So the bridge must not be systematic (or at least not systematically +symmetric) and managed by human beings able to make the difference +between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time... + +We could give moderators and forum support team the ability to click on +a particular subject to create this special link. the simplest way is +something like an alert sent to devs/packageds lists to catch their +eye... the more complex way could be to allow devs/packagers to reply +using the mailing list so that their answers appear on the forum. + +This would make (imho) devs more comfortable with user interaction and +forums and in the same time make end user happy to have complex problems +taken care of by brilliant people. + +And i'm pretty sure that forcing all to pass from a forum to a list +would make devs escape from the linked list. + +The other way (systematic forward of lists to forums would bring volume +and performances issues on the long run with the consequence of a poor +user experience on the forums) + +Hope i made it clearer this time :) + +Maât + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2120">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2120">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2120">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2120">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002121.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002121.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2e375eac3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002121.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cdbp%24bas%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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You come to the +table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are not +forced to eat everything. + +So, if the communication schemes all come together and if there are +enough devs and members on-board to create and manage the distro, some +devs will follow some user threads/discussions and others will follow +their own interesting user threads/discussions in their spare time. The +same could then be said of the user base. + +The devs would then, presumably, talk at some point to the other devs of +what they had read of interest in some user discussion and pass this +information on to the other devs. The same could then be said of the +user base, They would do the same. + +No one is forced to follow a thread/conversation, but realistically +speaking one group could not function without the other. At some point +you have to come up for air and take a look around at who else is +participating in the distro. We can't all work in our little +compartmentalized world. + +The gateway would be great as it would offer all of us insight into +everyone's world. Much like a newspaper where we read articles of +interest. Sometimes it is just nice to read the other sections of the +newspaper. + +There will be as usual the disturbers who will every now and then join a +discussion to cause problems or irritate the others. But, hey, this is a +common problem in any setup. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2121">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2121">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2121">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2121">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002122.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002122.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d0486a36e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002122.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C1286191459.29680.257.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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PLEASE READ IT IF YOU USE THE ML GATEWAY FORUM! + +You can find it here: +<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=81">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=81</A> + +- I have also added a notice on top of each ML sub-forum that points to +the above instructions + +- while looking through the logs I found that a couple of posts made in +the last 24 hours from the forum were not propagated by the Mageia +mailing lists, they probably sit in the approval queue of the +mailing-list admin (I believe that's Michael Scherer). +It appears these were sent by fellow members who are subscribed to SOME +of the MLs, but not to the specific one they posted to. + +In the interest of these fellow community members can the mailing-list +admin please approve them, so they get propagated? + +I have addressed this particular issue in the instructions at the link +above, please read and follow them before posting from the forum. + +- Last thing: as I said in my first post, my ML forum gateway is not a +permanent setup, but rather a temporary solution until the official +forum has an equivalent feature. +I will keep this forum running until the official forum has an +equivalent gateway. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2123">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2123">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2123">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2123">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002124.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002124.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cfed8a119 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002124.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFYmiKwMW0zLnoWb6BNMZE3zBWKGuNcdPrkgQ9%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002120.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002101.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>yvan munoz</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikFYmiKwMW0zLnoWb6BNMZE3zBWKGuNcdPrkgQ9%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 13:34:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2124">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2124">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2124">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2124">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>> + +><i> managed by human beings able to make the difference +</I>><i> between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>(i agree) + + +this could be done with the triage team, in that function very much like a +pre-sorting. +The experience of the old forum shows that it is difficult to do this +without much formalized at the outset. + +I fully endorse the idea. The essence of the forum makes it difficult to +reconcile automation and quality report. And whatever your technical choice. + +In more general terms, this should be the same triage team who cares (or at +least those involved to sort information on the forum is part of the team +yards). 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You come to +</I>><i> the +</I>><i> table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are not +</I>><i> forced to eat everything. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, if the communication schemes all come together and if there are +</I>><i> enough devs and members on-board to create and manage the distro, some +</I>><i> +</I>><i> devs will follow some user threads/discussions and others will follow +</I>><i> their own interesting user threads/discussions in their spare time. The +</I>><i> +</I>><i> same could then be said of the user base. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The devs would then, presumably, talk at some point to the other devs +</I>><i> of +</I>><i> what they had read of interest in some user discussion and pass this +</I>><i> information on to the other devs. The same could then be said of the +</I>><i> user base, They would do the same. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No one is forced to follow a thread/conversation, but realistically +</I>><i> speaking one group could not function without the other. At some point +</I>><i> +</I>><i> you have to come up for air and take a look around at who else is +</I>><i> participating in the distro. We can't all work in our little +</I>><i> compartmentalized world. +</I> ++1000 +Marc, you expressed my opinion exactly, but much better than I could put it +in words :) + +><i> There will be as usual the disturbers who will every now and then join +</I>><i> a +</I>><i> discussion to cause problems or irritate the others. But, hey, this is +</I>><i> a +</I>><i> common problem in any setup. +</I> +Precisely, and that's why a forum has moderators. + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2125">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2125">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2125">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2125">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002126.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002126.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b5bbb3a78 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002126.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040838.54357.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002107.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002096.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010040838.54357.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 13:38:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2126">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2126">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2126">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2126">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Monday 04 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive + from Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>> who wrote: + +><i> And i love standards :) +</I> +So do I: There are so many to choose from ;-3p + +Cheers, + +Ron. +-- + Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. + -- Robert A. 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It is a good working +model that the official forums, even if the tools are different, could +take a serious look at. If this model works for communication between +all the participating groups, well, that is one step in the "we should +have", where the official forums developers can consider explored. They +will not have to wonder if the community can operate in such a system +when the groups were voluntarily and reacting positively to it. + +So I wonder, is Tux99 part of the official forums dev group? He could +obviously bring good experience and advice to the group. + +Thanks for the temporary use of the forums! Quite impressive! + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2130">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2130">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2130">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2130">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002131.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002131.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dddaa2079 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002131.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9D184.7030900%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002130.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002135.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9D184.7030900%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 15:07:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2131">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2131">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2131">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2131">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Sander Lepik a écrit : +><i> 02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, André Machado wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> * Mageia 2011.0 ? +</I>>><i> * Mageia 2001.1 ? +</I>>><i> * Mageia 11.01 ? :D +</I>>><i> * Mageia 1.0 ? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> 20xx.0 -> 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later +</I>><i> the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy +</I>><i> released in 20x(y-1). +</I>><i> +</I>Exactly. Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars. +(You know, all image and no substance.) +So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. (Hopefully) +And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring. +Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so +changing the version number should cause no problem. +>><i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3 +</I>>><i> for a release made in March. That way we are always "up to date" and can +</I>>><i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year +</I>>><i> if needed / fitting. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't +</I>><i> like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and +</I>><i> then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember +</I>><i> which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5? +</I>><i> +</I>It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1. +If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you +want to have to change the names of 100's of files ? +Including the dependancies in the RPM's ? +Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1. + +And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes +in Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for +security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system +we are inheriting (like virtually all others). +><i> -- +</I>><i> Sander +</I>><i> +</I>- André (andre999) + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2131">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2131">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2131">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2131">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002132.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002132.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d1fef1390 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002132.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9D40B.2020502%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002135.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002134.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9D40B.2020502%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 15:18:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-03 15:30, Robert Wood a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target +</I>>>><i> market, there +</I>>>><i> must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt +</I>>>><i> their market +</I>>>><i> share. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a +</I>>>><i> good +</I>>>><i> idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't +</I>>>><i> repeat them +</I>>>><i> rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't think it necessarily follows though that they are successful due +</I>>><i> to that naming convention. They might do even better were it not so naff +</I>>><i> a scheme. ;~) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If anything that Ubuntu is good at, it is to market their brand. They +</I>><i> make sure consistently that their name is in some kind of media +</I>><i> corner, and, as often as possible. I also don't think that their +</I>><i> naming convention has too much to do with this. It is mostly due to +</I>><i> their marketing knowledge and timing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>I agree. And certainly not due to their drab brown theme colour, either. +Bottomless pockets for advertising and promotion doesn't hurt any ... + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2132">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2132">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2132">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2132">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002133.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002133.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..099f3d37d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002133.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041529.34954.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002119.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002142.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C201010041529.34954.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 15:29:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-04 +><i> I am just curious to know, if you are mailing a package to the Ukraine +</I>><i> from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is +</I>><i> used in Europe. +</I>I would write "Ukraine" if I were to send a mailing package there. That's the +way it's done at least in Germany... + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2133">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2133">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2133">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2133">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002134.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002134.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e818389df --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002134.html @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikm6jXG2eE%3D02%2BLPhHi60USnGBd9GUEsMs9%2BXV4%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002132.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002154.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikm6jXG2eE%3D02%2BLPhHi60USnGBd9GUEsMs9%2BXV4%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 15:26:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi everyone, + +it's been two weeks now since we announced Mageia and, again, thank you. + +We are still amazed by the amount of contributions, discussions and enthusiasm +here. We hope it will enable us to build a strong, great Linux distribution +that benefits users, upstream and adjacent projects. + +As well as working on/setting up the legal side, founding docs, the very first +pieces of infrastructure, meeting people, we have discussed and thought about +the governance model for the project. Here is the result. + +It is not a rigid structure and we are definitely open to comments and +adjustements as things go (hence the "draft"); but we do mean to start +with this schema for the first year. + +As stated in the announcement, this model has two targets: + + * ensure that the project direction & management is done by volunteer people + that are recognized by their peers as having valuable role and insight + into the project (no 3rd party take-over); + + * enable the project to learn and improve on itself. + + +Of course, that only won't prevent heated discussions, decisions to be taken +(and justified) or failure - all this construction will only work because of +reciprocal trust, goodwill and desire of all participants, plus a working schema +for discussion, decision and conflict resolution. + +To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups: + + * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers, + etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community), + + * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team), + + * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members & past + members of the council who can be on and elect the board), + + * Mageia project & association Board (direction of the project). + + +Because things are organized this way does not mean that there is a strict +hierarchical relationship between entities. This governance model is here +to coordinate the work of everyone and identify who is in charge of what. + +Here is the doc: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</A> + + +Now, having read all this, beyond other discussion, here is a little point +about Teams, where actually everything starts; here are teams we have already +on the wiki: + * Packaging team + * Security team + * Developers team + * Documentation team + * Translation team + * QA team + * Triage team + * Users communities management and representation team; this one is pretty + big so it may need to organize into three dedicated groups: + * forums + * mailing-lists + * IRC + * local groups + * Web team + * Designers + * Marketing team + * Communication team + + +That makes for a lot of people; about 300 at this time if we count everyone +who enlisted. + +Now, this is practically a bit odd for a start, of course, since no team exist +formally yet. So we will go to freeze today's list of members of each team +and those will be the first round teams. + +Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks: + + * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team + has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain + why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve); + + * how/who to sponsor (don't sponsor just a good friend, but someone who + can bring great things to your team and the project); + + * for their Council Representative, Team leader and Team backup; + + * for a list of ranked work topics to submit to the Council and Board + for the project and for the first distribution release (we will + announce Board's plans about that a bit later); these will be sorted + through for the long-term roadmap and will help to get a picture + of what we could do; see see <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method</A> + for simple priorities; + + * propose/ask the tools they would need to explore/use to work collectively + (in- and cross-teams; see at the end of this post). + + +Ok... This is already a LOT of information. We may post more specific +discussion about: + * Community Council and Board roles, Board nomination and communication + channels (all lists are not active for now); + * Teams sponsoring/mentoring process, election and constitution process; + * tools; again, this is a per-team definition but we can certainly share + that; + * something else? + +Your input is welcome and PLEASE: + * quote the original message, + * use text-only, + * be specific in your answers. + +Cheers, + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2134">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2134">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2134">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2134">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002135.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002135.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f106efa2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002135.html @@ -0,0 +1,117 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004133240.GC24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002131.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002132.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Remco Rijnders</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004133240.GC24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">remco at webconquest.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 15:32:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2135">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2135">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2135">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2135">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 09:07:16AM -0400, andré wrote: +>>><i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3 +</I>>>><i> for a release made in March. That way we are always "up to date" and can +</I>>>><i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year +</I>>>><i> if needed / fitting. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't +</I>>><i> like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and +</I>>><i> then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember +</I>>><i> which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1. +</I>><i> If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you +</I>><i> want to have to change the names of 100's of files ? +</I>><i> Including the dependancies in the RPM's ? +</I>><i> Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1. +</I> +I don't see why you'd want to put the release name in the name of a RPM +anyway. + +><i> And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes +</I>><i> in Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for +</I>><i> security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system +</I>><i> we are inheriting (like virtually all others). +</I> +I don't think it is too unlikely to have a December scheduled release +slipping to January. 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Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Fedora 14 beta is out. Slackware 13.1, too. But when we get there, we +</I>><i> can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name +</I>><i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). Or +</I>><i> we can use both, eg: M$ Office 2010 is, internally, Office 14. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For more than a version to year, we can use months, sequential numbers +</I>><i> or a strange numbering system like Mageia 1.0.20110101 where last part +</I>><i> is YYYYMMDD. +</I>><i> +</I>Numbering with the date appended is more suitable for individual +applications, like Mozilla (Firefox or Thunderbird or Seamonkey), or +Openoffice (or Go-oo or Libreoffice) among others. + +Since a distro like Mageia is a collection of applications from various +sources, it is useful to indicate at least the year in the version +number, to indicate generally the vintage of the applications contained. +I favour something like 2010.1 for this fall, or 2011.0 for the spring. +(avoiding the car model type numbering of Mandriva, which would be +"2011.0" and "2011.1".) +It could just as easily be 10.1 or 11.0, for a shorter number that is +somewhat more distinct from Mandriva numbering. But with the full year +included, it is obvious that it is indeed the year. + +A name like "Breezy something" (I forget what), indicates nothing about +its age to those not very familiar with the distro, is it older or newer +than "somethingelse" from the same distro ? +The lack of numbering could create unnecessary problems attracting +serious users to Mageia. + +- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2136">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2136">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2136">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2136">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002137.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002137.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..98f21af4d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002137.html @@ -0,0 +1,185 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9DF15.6010506%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002108.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002143.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9DF15.6010506%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:05:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 10:22, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 09:42 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Maat this is unrational fear, that probably originates from the Mandriva +</I>><i> past. You cannot run a pure community distro like a distro run by a +</I>><i> commercial company, where paid developers (with the help of volunteer +</I>><i> devs) do their job and then throw it out there for the 'wild hordes' to +</I>><i> consume. +</I>><i> +</I>Nope. This is just common sense. + +Mageia is thought to remain user friendly and potentially desktop oriented +even if there is a raising demand of Mageia for servers. + +So we WILL have newbies and we need to take care that they are properly +welcomed. + +Debian would have to face the very same problem if they decided to +target new linux users +and non technical users. We are not a new Debian... even if we there are +many domains in which +we have things to learn from them :) + +Developers can live without users because they are their own users :) +The contrary is not true... + +><i> A commercial distro attracts the kind of users who just want to be served a +</I>><i> good product and if they are not happy about it they come complain. +</I>><i> I perfectly understand why devs want to hide from those kinds of users. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>We will have still newbies and people that see themselves as customers +even if what they get is free (as in freedom AND and in free beer) + +The basic uneducated end-user often feels he's got the right to require +something that "just work"... and often tries to enforce hes view to people +with rude words... that understandable... + +...and that quite normal that a developper/packager feels that difficult +to endure :) + +><i> But a pure community distro attracts a different kind of user, users of +</I>><i> community distros know they are not owed anything, that they are "in debt" +</I>><i> with the devs and therefore the users behave differently. You can see that +</I>><i> if you look at other pure community FOSS projects. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Perhaps that will be true in the veeeery long run. for the coming year +and the next +and the next... that's completely false imho :) +><i> If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm +</I>><i> sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums) +</I>><i> simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk +</I>><i> only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Moderators and Support team will have to face many other problems. + +The beginning of a forum makes those people quite busy with forum +user "basic" education (post a new topic for a new subject for example). + +These basic rules take time before people abide by them... + +More complex rules are a far bigger challenge... + +><i> Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will +</I>><i> also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't +</I>><i> behave. +</I>><i> The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are +</I>><i> volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> XBMC is for example a FOSS project that has the developer subforums on the +</I>><i> main user forum and from my experience this is respected by the users. +</I>><i> see here: <A HREF="http://forum.xbmc.org/">http://forum.xbmc.org/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I also comes from a projet which had been using fudforum as a full +symmetric gateway for several lists (users, devs). + +People answering existing topics for a new subject force moderators to +split them + +Hence the thread is broken on the mailing list (and no way to change +back thread id on a mailing list) + +=> devs and advanced users angry + +And if moderators don't split the thread people on forums are lost (and +people on the list are angry also) + +People answering on the lists using an existing thread for a new subject +make devs angry also + +And on forums moderators need to split the topics... + +But at each new answer on the old thread the posts goes to the old topic... +so moderators need to split-then-merge for each new message ! + +On a tiny forum with few activity mailing lists that can be bearable... +when it comes to bigger forum and active lists the number of cases that +moderators will have to deal with manually will make this unlivable. + +You can trust me underestimating the problems with this +mutli-communities-communication problem would bring more harm than good. + +But as i said to Frederic there is here a real need that we need to +answer to properly :) + +All the best, +Maât + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2137">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2137">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2137">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2137">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002138.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002138.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8e2753020 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002138.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E07F.9070100%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002125.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002139.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E07F.9070100%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:11:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to +</I>><i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are +</I>><i> not forced to eat everything. +</I>><i> +</I>devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your bowl :) + +and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :) + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2138">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2138">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2138">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2138">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002139.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002139.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1b37f42a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002139.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8co68%24ua4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002138.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002144.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8co68%24ua4%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:26:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 10:11, Maât a écrit : +><i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to +</I>>><i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are +</I>>><i> not forced to eat everything. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your bowl :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the +conversations that they would like to choose and follow, they will not +want to participate? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2139">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2139">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2139">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2139">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002140.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002140.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ea67c8e3d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002140.html @@ -0,0 +1,161 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E430.8060901%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002088.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002078.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>andré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E430.8060901%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:26:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2140">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2140">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2140">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2140">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Graham Lauder a écrit : +><i> On Monday 04 Oct 2010 10:11:48 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/3 Graham Lauder<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That is your opinion, and of course unprovable. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Same as yours. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> You write a lot about how the naming and the colors ate away market +</I>>><i> shares. I never ever heard any Ubuntu user (nor even fan boys at +</I>>><i> events) talking about names or colors when describing the benefits of +</I>>><i> their distribution. Oh, and BTW: Ubuntu changed colors because a lot +</I>>><i> of Ubuntu users did not like the colors - how could they have been +</I>>><i> attracted by colors they don't like and want to be changed? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What Ubuntu did very well and what made their success is based on 3 +</I>>><i> parts (and I do not mean lots of money to win tenders in the business +</I>>><i> world): +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. Give the users the illusion that it is their distribution and that +</I>>><i> it is what they are doing, not some company far away. With all +</I>>><i> appearances, all speeches and all publications Shuttleworth gave out +</I>>><i> one message: Ubuntu is you, you are Ubuntu. That was the top reason he +</I>>><i> succeeded to build a critical mass of organised users who became the +</I>>><i> most valued asset - a cost free PR system. +</I>><i> Indeed, but it was a holistic approach, nothing in isolation, everything +</I>><i> worked together +</I>><i> +</I>There was a lot of money invested in that promotion. Money talks. +>><i> 2. Ubuntu lets people download ISOs just as all the others. But it +</I>>><i> also sends you CDs for free - I tried that once and 10 CDs were +</I>>><i> delivered to my door within 3 days. For new users this is far more +</I>>><i> attractive than any downloadable - what's it called, ISO?. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, That was a stroke of genius, not so keen on doing that now but as you +</I>><i> say, it grabbed new user base. OpenSUSE do this now, I had 200 DVDs sitting +</I>><i> on my doorstep 5 days after ordering for Sofware Freedom day +</I>That was a major factor. They were the first distro to do that, having +the $ to do it. +>><i> 3. PR, PR, PR, PR and then again PR. The media, print and web were +</I>>><i> flooded with PRs from Canonical, from local user organisations, etc. +</I>>><i> Ubuntu succeeded to have their name hammered into the attention of +</I>>><i> website and magazine readers, even non-IT media. Once started this is +</I>>><i> a runner. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Oh yeah agreed +</I>><i> +</I>Again, $ didn't hurt. + +Another factor was focusing on excellent documentation. (They paid for +much of this, as well.) Particularly on their CD, for the installation +process. At the time, starting Linux on much hardware was problematic, +despite the fact that the Linux kernel accepted many options to overcome +these difficulties. +Extensive documentation on the Ubuntu CD permitted me to correct some +booting configuration problems on my Mandriva system. (My system +booted, but some things didn't work.) +I stayed with Mandriva because of better package selection, including +urpmi and the mcc. +None of this is related to the colour or names. +>><i> the same success, not one user less if they had never thought of those +</I>>><i> names. +</I>><i> On this I would disagree. Colour is incredibly powerful, emotion is +</I>><i> incredibly powerful, style is incredibly powerful. +</I>><i> +</I>Yes yes. Ugly drab brown is particularly attractive. +Don't forget, the CDs were mailed out for free, to anyone asking for +them, without questions. (Just an email adresse.) +><i> None of the above would have worked without visual appeal and emotional +</I>><i> connection. Ask any PR professional. +</I>><i> +</I>Emotional connexion, makes sense. Helped by extensive advertising and +promotion. +><i> The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example. The packaging up to 11.2 was +</I>><i> designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well +</I>><i> packaged. I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave +</I>><i> away about 30 of the hundred I had. I decided to make a play for LCA and got +</I>><i> a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended +</I>><i> with a wjhole lot left over. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called +</I>><i> OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market +</I>><i> bright colours and no grey. There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists. +</I>><i> Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave +</I>><i> away. Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it +</I>><i> has to be part of a whole package. +</I>Having distributed the DVDs, it could be considered a success from a +marketing point of view. +However the important is attracting users who will actually use the +distribution, continue to use it, and hopefully contribute to ensure its +success. +This requires a lot more than gloss. +And I suspect that the first batch could well have had more success in +these terms than the second, in targeting those more likely to contribute. +(Kids like fancy looking DVDs - they make great frisbees.) +The content of the DVD is critical, in other words the packages included +and their ease of use and relevance. +Not that appearance is unimportant - just in my mind it is a much less +important factor. +><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I>- André (andre999) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2140">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2140">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2140">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2140">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002141.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002141.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..77a78c2ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002141.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101021163522.000016dd%40unknown%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002160.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002150.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Patricia Fraser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101021163522.000016dd%40unknown%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">trish at thefrasers.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:35:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2141">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2141">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2141">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2141">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:11:11 +0200 +Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>> wrote: + +><i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>><i> > I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to +</I>><i> > the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are +</I>><i> > not forced to eat everything. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your +</I>><i> bowl :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :) +</I> +And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won't +be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be +good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get +to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and +how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users +where to go for help/how to report bugs etc. + +Maybe we have a page where there's netiquette, the various places for +help, and the URL's in the footer of emails? and then we can politely +point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the +right place? + +Cheers, + +- -- +Patricia Fraser +On the move +Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org +Dark Side - approach with caution +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMwE+1AAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG49joH/2g78tSn2JU4FFxdPxvA9r4b +bYFJcM19+97M7D6ka+TWhIWzppaPg9gdPD5LTk1mY5PLYSlFOMLvKijl2iykxj/S +9/UkxI+N+2epoJrz8JYP04+RNjp+0SKEDTYLlZSMgprmIudgc3XJRp8J8pa+C0PC +TkNubpMFw8rGq0gJncAL3wX6gttqd4eXKFnWabP5DoiJvSBKv6JE6aOkqmCOAfkv +iExhrehCrg/C3aYLfEZhJB4DcioVuRDsyUMtu5EwuLw5t6Hic0qGQJS2n7E0GnZT +NemmO399p8615KhjEj/nN6BB6wlo48W9CgG6Y6vWMNEGdlwnKnroZpxJTi5jkPo= +=rCdx +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2141">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2141">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2141">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2141">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002142.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002142.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..baabe1ef6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002142.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8coo8%242d9%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002133.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002146.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8coo8%242d9%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:35:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2142">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2142">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2142">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2142">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 09:29, Oliver Burger a écrit : +><i> Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-04 +</I>>><i> I am just curious to know, if you are mailing a package to the Ukraine +</I>>><i> from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is +</I>>><i> used in Europe. +</I>><i> I would write "Ukraine" if I were to send a mailing package there. That's the +</I>><i> way it's done at least in Germany... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the +full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal +authority? The same question in other European countries? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2142">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2142">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2142">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2142">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002143.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002143.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7201ba566 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002143.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C1c1.4ca9e69a%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002137.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002105.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C1c1.4ca9e69a%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:37:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 16:05 +><i> Nope. This is just common sense. +</I> +It's about as much common sense as what Marc, me and others said. + +None of us can know what kind of users Mageia will attract, but a fork of a +small, relatively unknown minority Linux distro (all survey results I have +seen give Mandriva about a 5-10% share of the Linux desktop users) will +very unlikely attract hordes of clueless newbies that will behave badly on +the forum and the MLs. + +Of course there will be always some odd exception, but that's unavoidable +and manageable. + +Maybe once Mageia becomes as popular as Ubuntu, then we might have to worry +about this. + +><i> I also comes from a projet which had been using fudforum as a full +</I>><i> symmetric gateway for several lists (users, devs). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> People answering existing topics for a new subject force moderators to +</I>><i> split them +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hence the thread is broken on the mailing list (and no way to change +</I>><i> back thread id on a mailing list) +</I> +Well, this is wrong. Even with my little experience so far, common sense +tells me not to split any threads in the ML gw forums, the only safe +manipulation is merging threads and +worst case censoring/deleting posts (in extreme cases, if they are +completely out of order, with swear words and personal attacks). + +Of course that means that some threads contain OT posts, but that would be +the case on the ML anyway. + +A ML gw subforum on a web forum cannot be moderated in the same way as a +normal web forum thread, it needs to be treated like a ML thread. + + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002144.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002144.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b641793bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002144.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E6C1.90401%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002139.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002145.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9E6C1.90401%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:37:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 16:26, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-04 10:11, Maât a écrit : +</I>>><i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>>><i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to +</I>>>><i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are +</I>>>><i> not forced to eat everything. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your +</I>>><i> bowl :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the +</I>><i> conversations that they would like to choose and follow, they will not +</I>><i> want to participate? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>I mean that if you flood them with forum posts by users happy to post +all their lives into the bridge devs will add a rule to drop +automatically everything coming from the forum (and grunt about wasted +bandwidth) + +And if they dont use the rule approach they will simply unsuscribe... +you will not force devs to cooperate... you will not have them cooperate +without making big efforts to filter topics they don't want to see. + +They are skilled enough to make all your efforts to force them useless +however hard you try. + +And the global community (all contrib and users included) is to have +devs employed to tasks they alone are able to do :) + +So this is *also* in the best users interest to avoid bothering devs +with useless mail reading or questions that support or advanced users +can perfectly deal with :) + +Maât + + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2144">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2144">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2144">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2144">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002145.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002145.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3686ee783 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002145.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C1c3.4ca9e7ec%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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That's +</I>><i> > the way it's done at least in Germany... +</I>><i> Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the +</I>><i> full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal +</I>><i> authority? The same question in other European countries? +</I>I think, most people use the full name, when writing letters to other +countries. I can't speak of other European countries but the Germans do. +And I think one of the reasons is, there are many national states in a small +area compared to Northern America. And most people wouldn't even know, what +the county codes for most of their neighbours are. If you would ask me, I +couldn't say I knew even one without looking it up. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2146">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2146">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2146">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2146">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002147.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002147.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a73c93bbc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002147.html @@ -0,0 +1,134 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cq2n%248qn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002145.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002151.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cq2n%248qn%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 16:58:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your +</I>>>><i> bowl :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the +</I>>><i> conversations that they would like to choose and follow, they will not +</I>>><i> want to participate? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I mean that if you flood them with forum posts by users happy to post +</I>><i> all their lives into the bridge devs will add a rule to drop +</I>><i> automatically everything coming from the forum (and grunt about wasted +</I>><i> bandwidth) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if they dont use the rule approach they will simply unsuscribe... +</I>><i> you will not force devs to cooperate... you will not have them cooperate +</I>><i> without making big efforts to filter topics they don't want to see. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They are skilled enough to make all your efforts to force them useless +</I>><i> however hard you try. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And the global community (all contrib and users included) is to have +</I>><i> devs employed to tasks they alone are able to do :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So this is *also* in the best users interest to avoid bothering devs +</I>><i> with useless mail reading or questions that support or advanced users +</I>><i> can perfectly deal with :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maât +</I>><i> +</I>Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My apologies +if I was not clear. + +I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing the +devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would clearly +not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were not +interested in. + +And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and +devs not having the patience for "with useless mail reading or questions +that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with". + +So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different +perspective. + +So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering +bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each +other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I understand +your argument, you are saying that devs may not be interested in having +non-knowledgeable users taking part in their discussions as they could +find this annoying and they could possibly just quit participating in +discussions where they are overwhelmed with "novice" input. + +My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of the +bidirectional gateway, the ability to "see" everyone's conversations and +that, whichever conversation would look interesting to them, they could +join in. + +Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to the +normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc, +forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own and +if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is overwhelmed +with questions by "less-informed" users/devs, then you could either +ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to inform them of +the issues. Often times this will fix the problem. + +I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not +contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be permitted +to sit in on the sidelines? + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2147">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2147">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2147">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2147">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002148.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002148.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f8b8e6b12 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002148.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cqit%24bjd%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002146.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002156.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8cqit%24bjd%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 17:07:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 10:56, Oliver Burger a écrit : +><i> Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-04 +</I>>>><i> I would write "Ukraine" if I were to send a mailing package there. That's +</I>>>><i> the way it's done at least in Germany... +</I>>><i> Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the +</I>>><i> full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal +</I>>><i> authority? The same question in other European countries? +</I>><i> I think, most people use the full name, when writing letters to other +</I>><i> countries. I can't speak of other European countries but the Germans do. +</I>><i> And I think one of the reasons is, there are many national states in a small +</I>><i> area compared to Northern America. And most people wouldn't even know, what +</I>><i> the county codes for most of their neighbours are. If you would ask me, I +</I>><i> couldn't say I knew even one without looking it up. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +We tend to follow our federal postal authority guidelines called "Canada +Post" who used to have reference books volumes at their postal outlets +but now promote their website reference areas and when posting overseas +they would prefer country code designation ( +<A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A> -- you just +click on the country and it will return the country code) which are btw +the ISO country code designations. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002149.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002149.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d1471a34c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002149.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286205022.29680.507.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002118.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002165.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286205022.29680.507.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 17:10:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 11:44 +0100, doug a écrit : + +><i> Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a +</I>><i> telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection, +</I>><i> e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged +</I>><i> to depend on a 'dongle'? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely +</I>><i> available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the +</I>><i> Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself +</I>><i> uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in +</I>><i> particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted +</I>><i> out for different broadband providers. +</I> +If you have information to share, you should fill a bug report. +Developers cannot really track down every provider on the planet. + +No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the +only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not +user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g +modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug +report. + +But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work +fine. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2149">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2149">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2149">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2149">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002150.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002150.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..98c3d0ae4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002150.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinfiSLLt78jZO-NhFaUNZbB3shYTLnkhMJLUSS1%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002141.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002152.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinfiSLLt78jZO-NhFaUNZbB3shYTLnkhMJLUSS1%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 17:32:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won't +</I>><i> be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be +</I>><i> good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get +</I>><i> to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and +</I>><i> how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users +</I>><i> where to go for help/how to report bugs etc. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue. +I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear +directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by moderation. +(And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected by moderators.) + +The aim is to : + +1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who think +they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens + +2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded + +There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we succeed I +think there will be a great payoff. + +I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more moderators, +and at different levels. + +><i> +</I>><i> Maybe we have a page where there's netiquette, the various places for +</I>><i> help, and the URL's in the footer of emails? and then we can politely +</I>><i> point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the +</I>><i> right place? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> yes +</I> + +><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - -- +</I>><i> Patricia Fraser +</I>><i> +</I>-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101004/0d754c49/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2150">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2150">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2150">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2150">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002151.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002151.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..545a8e349 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002151.html @@ -0,0 +1,182 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9F58E.1060907%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002147.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002160.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA9F58E.1060907%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 17:41:02 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 16:58, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My +</I>><i> apologies if I was not clear. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing +</I>><i> the devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would +</I>><i> clearly not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were +</I>><i> not interested in. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and +</I>><i> devs not having the patience for "with useless mail reading or +</I>><i> questions that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with". +</I>><i> +</I>No. + +If a user want to suscribe to a dev list and take the risk to raise his +"user voice" in the middle of an expert debate he's free to do so. + +He should though perhaps prepare himself to a "somewhat virile welcome" +but this he should not be forbidden to do that :) +(and he is not) + +I'm talking about users creating "pure" user topics : +-- how do i -- put a RTMF question here -- ? +-- look at my new wallpaper (isn't my new baby dog lovely ?) +-- i think that -- put an old secular troll here -- +-- why do this fscking -- put the package you want here -- works like +that and not like that ? +-- who's the fsking b*stard that removed -- put the removed by upstream +feature you want here -- ? +-- i want to sell my old car to buy a new one... (<A HREF="http://blah">http://blah</A>) who wants +to make an offer ? +-- /et caetera/ + +These topics in a subforum are many. And these topics are precisely what +upset devs and packagers. +And reading those or trying to filter to "separate the wheat from the +chaff" is dev time waste that the +global community should want to minimize... + + +><i> +</I>><i> So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different +</I>><i> perspective. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering +</I>><i> bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each +</I>><i> other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I +</I>><i> understand your argument, you are saying that devs may not be +</I>><i> interested in having non-knowledgeable users taking part in their +</I>><i> discussions as they could find this annoying and they could possibly +</I>><i> just quit participating in discussions where they are overwhelmed with +</I>><i> "novice" input. +</I>><i> +</I>No you dit not understand my argument at all :) +(see above ^^) + +><i> +</I>><i> My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of +</I>><i> the bidirectional gateway, the ability to "see" everyone's +</I>><i> conversations and that, whichever conversation would look interesting +</I>><i> to them, they could join in. +</I>><i> +</I>That they have already : some monitor forums and join in whenever they +want to. +(But this is time consuming. Hence very few do this on a regular basis.) + +><i> Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to +</I>><i> the normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc, +</I>><i> forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own +</I>><i> and if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is +</I>><i> overwhelmed with questions by "less-informed" users/devs, then you +</I>><i> could either ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to +</I>><i> inform them of the issues. Often times this will fix the problem. +</I>><i> +</I>No because you start from the end. One you have a community of perfectly +educated users the problem will disappear beacause users will use +bugtracker and mailing lists... the need of a forum is just the proof +that your start point is a false statement :) + +The second point is the volume... with a few list subscibers i am +something like 300 mails late + +With 20 000 forum suscribers (or even 5000) posting that would change +many things. Devs would give up all the list :) + +That's as simple as that. + +Especially since the news will spread that advanced users are answering +"magically" on a specific forum will push all users to try their chance +here and not in an other forum... resulting in a worst flood than you +could imagine :) + +And moderators would have to educate people wanting to post there and +not elsewhere. + +That's the better way to create a war between moderators and users :-( + +><i> I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not +</I>><i> contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be +</I>><i> permitted to sit in on the sidelines? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>That's the other part... very different matter. This could be dealt with +a read only forum section. But can you give me a correct estimation of +the extra volume needed for 3 years of forum + ml life with 1000 posters +on one side and 5000+ (more likely 10 000 or 20 000) ? + +And about global system performance once filled with 5 million posts and +browsed by 400 simultaneous active members. + +(And if you imagine to add also Cauldron which can reach the rate of 600 +mails per day just to be able to "to sit in on the sidelines" the volume +is even huger) + +That's why these questions need to be treated with caution :) + +Cheers, +Maât + + + + + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2151">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2151">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2151">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2151">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002152.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002152.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..31f32f0aa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002152.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101021174855.0000255d%40unknown%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002150.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002155.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Patricia Fraser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C20101021174855.0000255d%40unknown%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">trish at thefrasers.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 17:48:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- +Hash: SHA1 + +On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:32:11 +0200 +Frederic Janssens <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there +</I>><i> > won't be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of +</I>><i> > people be good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure +</I>><i> > that users get to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right +</I>><i> > ones to use, and how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers +</I>><i> > know to show users where to go for help/how to report bugs etc. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue. +</I>><i> I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear +</I>><i> directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by +</I>><i> moderation. (And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected +</I>><i> by moderators.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The aim is to : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who +</I>><i> think they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we +</I>><i> succeed I think there will be a great payoff. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more +</I>><i> moderators, and at different levels. +</I> +/me puts hand up + +Also, "moderators" - people who drop out of the sky on the heads of +those who misbehave. + +What about if we dream up a whole new group: facilitators? bridges? +just plain helpers? + +Moderating could then be our last resort? + +Cheers, + +- -- +Patricia Fraser +On the move +Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org +Dark Side - approach with caution +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMwGDtAAoJEFTnxl6Z2dG4L10H+wWE8zXAlMRAPi67zrHNLY6d +TLJgsD6+dYfR1225k09oL4qYe4HSUi5mi9X3YLs+QaDzvxKyAJq+6nyHWjE1ANUX +udi2lYf8v4rwnYBhyKZyohQFjSopJasIqKe5mCzQ0p/nCvwY+8GSgRPwVo501hnh +0tfq50rEhmcrlfgUj2or/beU7MnlDVLeOkGs4y62EHnbAp3E56JSANeTOvmsAqc2 +kwZCGuManucKpIs1Yxs24l8vSdkLWSlr3A2F6KIPIyvRWG60keQZKiKVfpvZWdgR ++y0KWlHIHheBibPASk4DkhwJSG9UxzStpworSQ9AjNgTA70OxibIgyLSRd5xmv8= +=ft6z +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2152">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2152">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2152">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2152">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002153.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002153.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e7ddc654d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002153.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3C1d4.4ca9f7ff%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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One reason is, they don't know about those +guidlines and are too lazy to look if there are any. +And most people will not go into the web to look if there are any guidlines. +After all the postal services have computer systems that are quite clever and +are able to sort by country names as well. +If you are sending a postcard there even is (most of the times) an extra line +for putting the country name (under the two lines designated for ZIP and +town). + +But that's neither here nor there. </OT> + +After all, I think the way Romain has posted is the best. Use the two-letter +codes we (and most others) are already using and in case of problems, let's +find solutions for those because there may be some isolated problems but there +definitely is no general problem... + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2156">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2156">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2156">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2156">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002157.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002157.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8d52b98e5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002157.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinJ8qEi8t%3DL-jdHPYA-Fd17CMjZCb9dqhMbpbhD%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002156.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002158.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinJ8qEi8t%3DL-jdHPYA-Fd17CMjZCb9dqhMbpbhD%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 18:33:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> <OT>I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service +</I>><i> anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure +</I>><i> most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those +</I>><i> guidlines as well. +</I> +Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes +similar to international license plates for cars. Like "I" for Italy, +"F" for France, "D" for Germany, etc. +Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system. + +><i> After all, I think the way Romain has posted is the best. Use the two-letter +</I>><i> codes we (and most others) are already using and in case of problems, let's +</I>><i> find solutions for those because there may be some isolated problems but there +</I>><i> definitely is no general problem... +</I> ++1 + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2157">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2157">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2157">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2157">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002158.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002158.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6405c4da0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002158.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004164004.GJ24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002157.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002168.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Remco Rijnders</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004164004.GJ24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">remco at webconquest.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 18:40:04 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2158">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2158">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2158">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2158">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:33:31PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/4 Oliver Burger <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <OT>I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service +</I>><i> > anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure +</I>><i> > most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those +</I>><i> > guidlines as well. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes +</I>><i> similar to international license plates for cars. Like "I" for Italy, +</I>><i> "F" for France, "D" for Germany, etc. +</I>><i> Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system. +</I> +<OT> And this actually means that even sending mail out of country without +putting any sort of country designation on the envelope or package might +work! 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Then, that person will still be an "active member" of the +Association, since this situation is not listed in the cases when one +can loose such status, if I'm understanding the list correctly. I am +just saying that this should be clarified. In particular, the number +of "active members" may increase with time. + +Cheers! +motitos +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2159">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2159">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2159">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2159">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002160.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002160.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4387a75de --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002160.html @@ -0,0 +1,222 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d0c3%248ed%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002151.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002141.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mailing%20List%20to%20Web%20Forum%20Bidirectional%20Gateway&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d0c3%248ed%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 18:45:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2160">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2160">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 11:41, Maât a écrit : +><i> Le 04/10/2010 16:58, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>>><i> Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My +</I>>><i> apologies if I was not clear. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing +</I>>><i> the devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would +</I>>><i> clearly not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were +</I>>><i> not interested in. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and +</I>>><i> devs not having the patience for "with useless mail reading or +</I>>><i> questions that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with". +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> No. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If a user want to suscribe to a dev list and take the risk to raise his +</I>><i> "user voice" in the middle of an expert debate he's free to do so. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> He should though perhaps prepare himself to a "somewhat virile welcome" +</I>><i> but this he should not be forbidden to do that :) +</I>><i> (and he is not) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm talking about users creating "pure" user topics : +</I>><i> -- how do i -- put a RTMF question here -- ? +</I>><i> -- look at my new wallpaper (isn't my new baby dog lovely ?) +</I>><i> -- i think that -- put an old secular troll here -- +</I>><i> -- why do this fscking -- put the package you want here -- works like +</I>><i> that and not like that ? +</I>><i> -- who's the fsking b*stard that removed -- put the removed by upstream +</I>><i> feature you want here -- ? +</I>><i> -- i want to sell my old car to buy a new one... (<A HREF="http://blah">http://blah</A>) who wants +</I>><i> to make an offer ? +</I>><i> -- /et caetera/ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These topics in a subforum are many. And these topics are precisely what +</I>><i> upset devs and packagers. +</I>><i> And reading those or trying to filter to "separate the wheat from the +</I>><i> chaff" is dev time waste that the +</I>><i> global community should want to minimize... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Is it not a rule to NOT post a reply to an someone who abuses. Then the +offending thread just dies. There is no problem, if we all follow this +rule. If we all followed this rule then there would be no problem. Why +would a dev or even for that matter a user answer an offending post? We +all know that it is useless. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different +</I>>><i> perspective. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering +</I>>><i> bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each +</I>>><i> other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I +</I>>><i> understand your argument, you are saying that devs may not be +</I>>><i> interested in having non-knowledgeable users taking part in their +</I>>><i> discussions as they could find this annoying and they could possibly +</I>>><i> just quit participating in discussions where they are overwhelmed with +</I>>><i> "novice" input. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> No you dit not understand my argument at all :) +</I>><i> (see above ^^) +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of +</I>>><i> the bidirectional gateway, the ability to "see" everyone's +</I>>><i> conversations and that, whichever conversation would look interesting +</I>>><i> to them, they could join in. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That they have already : some monitor forums and join in whenever they +</I>><i> want to. +</I>><i> (But this is time consuming. Hence very few do this on a regular basis.) +</I> +But this is quite understandable.The very few who do it then are +enjoying the threads that they follow. I don't think that there is a +problem with this. + +><i> +</I>>><i> Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to +</I>>><i> the normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc, +</I>>><i> forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own +</I>>><i> and if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is +</I>>><i> overwhelmed with questions by "less-informed" users/devs, then you +</I>>><i> could either ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to +</I>>><i> inform them of the issues. Often times this will fix the problem. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> No because you start from the end. One you have a community of perfectly +</I>><i> educated users the problem will disappear beacause users will use +</I>><i> bugtracker and mailing lists... the need of a forum is just the proof +</I>><i> that your start point is a false statement :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The second point is the volume... with a few list subscibers i am +</I>><i> something like 300 mails late +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With 20 000 forum suscribers (or even 5000) posting that would change +</I>><i> many things. Devs would give up all the list :) +</I>><i> That's as simple as that. +</I> +If the volume of posts increase to that size, then we could all +congratulate ourselves for having such a great and vibrant distro. Devs +would still have the option of following the posts/threads that most +interest them. I would say that the conditions that you describe are +actually those of a successful distro. I would not think that a dev who +initially found a thread that was interesting would just quit on it +because it got too busy. That is when a thread becomes really exciting. + +><i> +</I>><i> Especially since the news will spread that advanced users are answering +</I>><i> "magically" on a specific forum will push all users to try their chance +</I>><i> here and not in an other forum... resulting in a worst flood than you +</I>><i> could imagine :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And moderators would have to educate people wanting to post there and +</I>><i> not elsewhere. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's the better way to create a war between moderators and users :-( +</I>><i> +</I> +If users are having to seek out and find devs to try to get their +attention, then I would hope that the mailist, irc, and forums +moderators would be vigilant enough to realize that somewhere along the +way the communication between the users and devs is NOT working. There +is a broken link and user dissatisfaction is growing. This would be a +sign to watch out for from an organizational point of view. It means +that somewhere along the way the communications link is broken. It needs +to be corrected to promote proper communications behaviour. + +>><i> I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not +</I>>><i> contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be +</I>>><i> permitted to sit in on the sidelines? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That's the other part... very different matter. This could be dealt with +</I>><i> a read only forum section. But can you give me a correct estimation of +</I>><i> the extra volume needed for 3 years of forum + ml life with 1000 posters +</I>><i> on one side and 5000+ (more likely 10 000 or 20 000) ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And about global system performance once filled with 5 million posts and +</I>><i> browsed by 400 simultaneous active members. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (And if you imagine to add also Cauldron which can reach the rate of 600 +</I>><i> mails per day just to be able to "to sit in on the sidelines" the volume +</I>><i> is even huger) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's why these questions need to be treated with caution :) +</I> +Unfortunately, then the distro would then have to re-evaluate its goals +if the volume of communications is limited by the physical capabilities +of their hardware. It may be that the "community" aspirations of the +distro has struck a serious lack of balance with reality. However, +usually when the participation is at such a height, a community will +rally financially and support the request for more funds for hardware +upgrades. We have to have faith in the overriding community wishes for +the good will of the distro. + +><i> +</I>><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> Maât +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2160">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2160">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2160">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2160">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002161.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002161.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e31397813 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002161.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004165451.GK24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002159.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002162.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Remco Rijnders</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004165451.GK24493%40winter.webconquest.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">remco at webconquest.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 18:54:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2161">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2161">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2161">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2161">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +><i> To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers, +</I>><i> etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community), +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team), +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members & past +</I>><i> members of the council who can be on and elect the board), +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Mageia project & association Board (direction of the project). +</I> +Romain, + +I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend +general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some +physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be +stripped of "active member" status. + +Would this not make it harder for people in certain geographical regions +(say, outside Europe or France) to become an association member, even when +they spend a lot of their free time dedicated to the project? 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Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be +</I>><i> stripped of "active member" status. +</I> +I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some +physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So, +formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel. +Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus +be validated. + +wobo, of course not speaking for Romain :) +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2162">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2162">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2162">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2162">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002163.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002163.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..312ba26fe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002163.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinE5t%3Du4BsG80fbKg3kSYuLOz4b1PV8O6id707E%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002162.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002164.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinE5t%3Du4BsG80fbKg3kSYuLOz4b1PV8O6id707E%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:03:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some +</I>><i> physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So, +</I>><i> formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel. +</I>><i> Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus +</I>><i> be validated. +</I>><i> +</I> +I may add that this is legally ok in France, I'm an associate of a +small french company where some of us are living far away. For +official papers we download them from the internal website, clearsign +them and send them back to the french office. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2163">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2163">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2163">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2163">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002164.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002164.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e99294f20 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002164.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimawsWW_%2Btr8bUM1R2%2B%2B4LCDHhWqFue9KPVE4Bi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002163.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002169.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimawsWW_%2Btr8bUM1R2%2B%2B4LCDHhWqFue9KPVE4Bi%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">ennael1 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:04:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> 2010/10/4 Remco Rijnders <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend +</I>>><i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some +</I>>><i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be +</I>>><i> stripped of "active member" status. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some +</I>><i> physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So, +</I>><i> formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel. +</I>><i> Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus +</I>><i> be validated. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo, of course not speaking for Romain :) +</I> +But you are right :) Association has been setup so that we can have +"virtual" meetings and electronic vote. So this will not be a pb. We +hope of course to be able to have also physical meeting as it's +important also to meet everybody. + + +><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2164">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2164">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2164">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2164">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002165.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002165.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1b8e0e5bb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002165.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d2dm%24hli%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002149.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002174.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d2dm%24hli%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:20:54 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the +</I>><i> only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not +</I>><i> user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g +</I>><i> modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug +</I>><i> report. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I> +I think that we often forget that some users struggle with dial-up +connections. André pointed this out to us a couple of posts ago. Mageia +should maybe be a little more sensitive to this and have the tools for +dial-up connection already installed rather than having the user go back +and download either from the install disk or internet. + +My mother and father/mother-in-laws are on Madriva 2009.1 Dial-ups with +external modems. They are quite happy with the setups, but I did have to +install the dial-up software at the time. Apparently Kppp will be part +of the install package with KDE installs. + +I prefer external modems, less driver problems. + +Dial-up in Canada is $9/month Cdn. in most cities. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2165">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2165">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2165">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2165">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002166.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002166.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc0cd9119 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002166.html @@ -0,0 +1,196 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikByQm5-0gvgqhOH86f_sSiM%2BNvj1GSddZPoTMO%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002171.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002175.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikByQm5-0gvgqhOH86f_sSiM%2BNvj1GSddZPoTMO%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">ajunior at brasifort.com.br + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:22:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2166">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2166">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2166">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2166">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>MacXi, + +Tier1 é um tipo de rede IP, isso não se traduz. Talvez você possa colocar um +link para uma página que explique o que é. +Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que lá tenha algo bem explicado. + +Abraços, + +Júnior + +Em 1 de outubro de 2010 22:43, MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>> escreveu: + +><i> Em Sex 01 Out 2010, às 21:11:44, André Machado escreveu: +</I>><i> > Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work to +</I>><i> > you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog +</I>><i> too. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > ------------------ +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sua tradução está compatível com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu +</I>><i> > trabalho para que você o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferenças. +</I>><i> Nós +</I>><i> > precisaremos ver o blog também. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> André, +</I>><i> Sending a suggested translation of the text of today's Blog +</I>><i> Regarding the translation, do not worry, your English must be better than +</I>><i> mine +</I>><i> and you are having more contact whit mageia forum. You and Filipe feel +</I>><i> free +</I>><i> to make corrections and changes that fit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> MacXi +</I>><i> ___________________________________- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> André, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Envio uma sugestão de tradução do texto de hoje do Blog. +</I>><i> Quanto a tradução, não se preocupe, acho que seu inglês deve ser melhor que +</I>><i> o +</I>><i> meu e vc tem mais contato e está acompanhando melhor o forum Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fiquem a vontade, vc e o Filipe, para fazer as correções e alterações que +</I>><i> achar melhor. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Obs: Não consegui traduzir "Tier1" da frase: Mas ainda estamos procurando +</I>><i> Tier1 (???) espelhos. --> But we are still looking for Tier1 mirrors. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Abs +</I>><i> +</I>><i> MacXi +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ________________________________________________ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/">http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projeto - +</I>><i> Posted on October 2, 2010 by ennael +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Dado todas as propostas e contribuições que recebemos até agora, parece que +</I>><i> Mageia tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que estão +</I>><i> querendo saber o que está acontecendo agora, aqui estão algumas notícias +</I>><i> sobre +</I>><i> vários assuntos: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * A fim de responder às principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um +</I>><i> FAQ +</I>><i> já está disponível no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir mais +</I>><i> perguntas se você acha que alguns assuntos estão em falta. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * A associação mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com uma +</I>><i> publicação oficial em cerca de um mês (depois revisto pela administração), +</I>><i> graças à Severina e RTP +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Um Manifesto Mageia está em andamento. Nós fornecemos uma lista de +</I>><i> itens +</I>><i> para ajudar Lauder Graham e alguns caras de marketing & comunicação para +</I>><i> trabalhar em um primeiro esboço. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Uma equipe sysadmin foi criado por Nicolas (boklm), para começar a +</I>><i> trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Para a infra-estrutura de hardware, recebemos propostas para +</I>><i> servidores +</I>><i> e hospedagem. Agora temos o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a +</I>><i> construção +</I>><i> de sistema (build system)) e de acolhimento dos principais serviços. Já +</I>><i> começamos a instalação de uma máquina virtual oferecida pelo gandi.net que +</I>><i> vamos usar em breve para hospedar os sites e blog. Em relação à hospedagem +</I>><i> dos +</I>><i> outros servidores, nós temos uma proposta de um ano e já estão trabalhando +</I>><i> em +</I>><i> uma solução de longo prazo. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Misc está trabalhando em um planejamento para a implantação do sistema +</I>><i> de compilação (aproximadamente, 4/5 dias a partir do zero, sem a instalação +</I>><i> do +</I>><i> servidor, se tudo correr bem) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos +</I>><i> e +</I>><i> uma aplicação web para cuidar disto. Nós já temos muitas propostas para os +</I>><i> espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda estamos +</I>><i> procurando Tier1 espelhos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Buchan está trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP +</I>><i> * Mageia tem sido contactada por vários jornais, podcasts, webTV, rádio +</I>><i> web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. 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We learned from past that packagers and users +interaction is not something so simple to deal with + +In fact communication between humans is never simple :) + +So there it's something here we really need to anticipate. Debian (that +i truly love) or other (considered as) elitist distros don't bother with +those subjects: users have to match the skills and education level +requirements or end "naturally" rejected (they go away by themselves). + +We don't want this because Mageia IS thought to remain as user friendly +as possible. Considering that there is no problem there and letting +forums and lists flood each other would be a dramatic mistake. And +that's just hiding yourself the obvious imho :) + +So i respectfully but *totally* diagree with you on these points :) + +Maât + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2167">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2167">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2167">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2167">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002168.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002168.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18abb7de5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002168.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d415%24pu3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002158.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002170.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3Ci8d415%24pu3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:48:21 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 12:40, Remco Rijnders a écrit : +><i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:33:31PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> 2010/10/4 Oliver Burger<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> <OT>I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service +</I>>>><i> anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure +</I>>>><i> most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those +</I>>>><i> guidlines as well. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes +</I>>><i> similar to international license plates for cars. Like "I" for Italy, +</I>>><i> "F" for France, "D" for Germany, etc. +</I>>><i> Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <OT> And this actually means that even sending mail out of country without +</I>><i> putting any sort of country designation on the envelope or package might +</I>><i> work! (Or at least it used to when postal workers still had a decent pay +</I>><i> and took pride in their work). +</I> +<OT> Yup a little off topic but still a bit informational on Mageia +naming conventions. + +I have to admit that I find it funny that the OpenOffice.or group and +many of us were appalled when countries and states did not adopt the ISO +OASIS document formats. Many of us condemned others for not accepting +these international ISO document formats. It took a lot of effort to +come up with these standards along with a lot of debating. + +Yet, in Mageia's case, where ISO country and language formats could have +been applied for its internal standard naming convention, the window of +opportunity for the ISO-format adoption may have been lost. + +As it was pointed out earlier, it may be sadly too late to re-organise, +and the present standard in use (that of common practice) for the Mageia +group will probably remain. + +I guess we will hear the decision from the Mageia "higher-ups" +eventually on this count. + +BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format? +Hey, but that's could be for another discussion. LOL + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2168">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2168">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2168">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2168">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002169.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002169.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e0bf2b830 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002169.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004175033.GX7260%40mongueurs.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002164.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002177.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Jerome Quelin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004175033.GX7260%40mongueurs.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">jquelin at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:50:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/10/04 18:54 +0200, Remco Rijnders wrote: +><i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> > To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers, +</I>><i> > etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members & past +</I>><i> > members of the council who can be on and elect the board), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia project & association Board (direction of the project). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend +</I>><i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some +</I>><i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be +</I>><i> stripped of "active member" status. +</I> +you missed the "(or not being represented)": + + not attending (or not being represented) at two consecutive general + assemblies; she then become honorific member of the association. + +it's therefore possible to give your voting power to someone else - even +with some voting instructions. and there may be some voting software +that can palliate this (epoll?) + +jérôme +-- +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A> +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2169">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2169">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2169">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2169">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002170.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002170.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74328dff1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002170.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004175505.GB16029%40winter.webconquest.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002168.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002172.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Remco Rijnders</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%0A%09from%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004175505.GB16029%40winter.webconquest.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">remco at webconquest.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 19:55:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2170">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2170">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2170">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2170">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 01:48:21PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +><i> BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format? +</I>><i> Hey, but that's could be for another discussion. LOL +</I> +Yup... but I don't like that T in between the date and the time. I do love +the yyyy-mm-dd format though. 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Considering that there is no problem there and letting +</I>><i> forums and lists flood each other would be a dramatic mistake. And +</I>><i> that's just hiding yourself the obvious imho :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So i respectfully but *totally* diagree with you on these points :) +</I> +You are aware that you keep running around the same point all the +time, right? The same reasons given again and again although they were +taken care of long ago in this thread. + +I repeat: +I do see your points as I see Michael's points and others. But nobody +is talking about a flooding of anything. It has been said several +times that the implementation of this gateway section has to be +watched by guidelines and moderators to enforce these guidelines. This +way users will learn to avoid the usual userland discussions on the +gateway, there's lots of room for that in the rest of the forum. It +may take a short time to get the message through to them but it can +work if we try and (of course) if the developpers will be patient +during this initial stage. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2171">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2171">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2171">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2171">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002172.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002172.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a0188690 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002172.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Du%2BiyxwUTw7Nq53ZaKeF-c9gi%2BLAvFQd2nKrJj%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002170.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002112.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20IRC%20community%20channels%20-%20need%20a%20ruling%20from%0A%09the%20board&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Du%2BiyxwUTw7Nq53ZaKeF-c9gi%2BLAvFQd2nKrJj%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 20:03:44 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2172">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2172">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2172">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2172">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/4 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format? Hey, +</I>><i> but that's could be for another discussion. LOL +</I> +Yes, this is due to the point that Oliver mentioned before: those +"standards" are made by a certain group which is located in one region +and accustomed to that region's language and ways to do things. Who in +some other country could imagine what that "T" is there for? + +We do have official standards in Germany for official letters, usable +in legal battles - use this date format and your letter may be useless +in court (I'm a bit exaggerating here, I know) because this so-called +standard does not match the German standard for time stamps. But, ok, +most people do not know about that date standard anyway. A good +feature for a standard. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2172">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2172">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2172">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2172">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002173.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002173.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2574bf42b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002173.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004210715.5e0e07b8%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002136.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002153.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Sigrid Carrera</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C20101004210715.5e0e07b8%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">sigrid.carrera at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 21:07:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2173">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2173">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2173">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2173">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +Am Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:45:24 -0400 +schrieb andré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: + +><i> André Machado a écrit : +</I>><i> >> Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :) +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> Since a distro like Mageia is a collection of applications from +</I>><i> various sources, it is useful to indicate at least the year in the +</I>><i> version number, to indicate generally the vintage of the applications +</I>><i> contained. I favour something like 2010.1 for this fall, or 2011.0 +</I>><i> for the spring. (avoiding the car model type numbering of Mandriva, +</I>><i> which would be "2011.0" and "2011.1".) +</I>><i> It could just as easily be 10.1 or 11.0, for a shorter number that is +</I>><i> somewhat more distinct from Mandriva numbering. But with the full +</I>><i> year included, it is obvious that it is indeed the year. +</I> +I don't see where you avoid the "car model type numbering"? You still +get 2011.0 and 2011.1, so where is the difference? + +I do see the reason for including the distro version number in the RPM +name. + +To be clear, I do like the year as version number, so I don't want to +remove this. I think, this is the easiest thing to figure out on your +own. It doesn't need any lengthy explanation. + +><i> A name like "Breezy something" (I forget what), indicates nothing +</I>><i> about its age to those not very familiar with the distro, is it older +</I>><i> or newer than "somethingelse" from the same distro ? +</I> +AFAIK, Ubuntu goes on alphabetically, so something that starts with "B" +should be significantly older than something that starts with "J". I'm +just curious, how they will handle this, when they are through the +alphabet - do they start again at "A"? ;) + +Sigrid (aka eskroni) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2173">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2173">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2173">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2173">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002174.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002174.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..290d8e6ba --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002174.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C201010050833.48354.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002165.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002116.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C201010050833.48354.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 21:33:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tuesday 05 Oct 2010 06:20:54 Marc Paré wrote: +><i> > No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the +</I>><i> > only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not +</I>><i> > user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g +</I>><i> > modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug +</I>><i> > report. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work +</I>><i> > fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think that we often forget that some users struggle with dial-up +</I>><i> connections. André pointed this out to us a couple of posts ago. Mageia +</I>><i> should maybe be a little more sensitive to this and have the tools for +</I>><i> dial-up connection already installed rather than having the user go back +</I>><i> and download either from the install disk or internet. +</I> +Yes please do that, one reason I went to openSUSE is the fact that dialup was +so simple to set up. It installed wvdial and qinternet if it detected a modem +during install, it even prelists all the dialup providers phone numbers so you +just click through and it's done. Brilliant. + + +><i> +</I>><i> My mother and father/mother-in-laws are on Madriva 2009.1 Dial-ups with +</I>><i> external modems. They are quite happy with the setups, but I did have to +</I>><i> install the dial-up software at the time. Apparently Kppp will be part +</I>><i> of the install package with KDE installs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems. +</I> +indeed + +><i> +</I>><i> Dial-up in Canada is $9/month Cdn. in most cities. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2174">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2174">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2174">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2174">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002175.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002175.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..368a19f6f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002175.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042142.14373.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002166.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002176.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042142.14373.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 21:42:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2175">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2175">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2175">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2175">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 02 octobre 2010 22:42:27, Graham Lauder a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 10:36:59 Sander Lepik wrote: +</I>><i> > I remember that Mandriva once had 1 year release. But in the Linux world +</I>><i> > things move too fast to wait whole year before new release. And more than +</I>><i> > 2 is too much pain for everyone. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Sander +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm a fan of OpenSUSE's release cycle every eight months. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3 releases every two years seems a good compromise +</I>><i> +</I> +The eight months release cycle looks interesting to me : +- it gives 2 months more than the 6-months-cycle +- only 3 releases in 2 years, so 1 release less than with the 6-months-cycle. That's either + * less releases to support at a given time + * longer supported releases (If we could flag one release as a Long Term Support release every 2 years, that would be really great and Mageia could really be seen as a reliable distribution). + +As someone whose main contribution is backporting software to the stable releases of the distribution, this compromise between the 6-months and 1-year cycles looks promising. + +What would be the drawbacks ? What can the openSuse experience teach us ? + +Samuel Verschelde +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2175">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2175">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2175">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2175">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002176.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002176.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..82bfaada6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002176.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Wish List + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286222314.29680.521.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002175.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002178.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Wish List</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3C1286222314.29680.521.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 21:58:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2176">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2176">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2176">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2176">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 21:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : + +><i> What would be the drawbacks ? What can the openSuse experience teach us ? +</I> +Imho : + +- you will end up being un-synchronized with others projects and +distributions, which mean we will not benefit from the usual big PR +around them ( like gnome, for example ). Now, this may provides PR with +others projects + +- I fear that 8 months wold just provides us more reason to slack :) + +- we will end doing a release in some months who are not really good for +communication ( christmas, summer holidays ), and for events. + +Fedora also discussed this in the past +( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/306800/">http://lwn.net/Articles/306800/</A> ) and more recently, iirc ( even if I +cannot find some reference ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2176">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2176">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2176">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2176">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002177.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002177.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eaba8b298 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002177.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042333.35747.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002169.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002136.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Mageia%20governance%20model%20draft&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042333.35747.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 23:33:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op maandag 04 oktober 2010 18:54:51 schreef Remco Rijnders: +><i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>><i> > To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups: +</I>><i> > * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, +</I>><i> > designers, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members & +</I>><i> > past +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > members of the council who can be on and elect the board), +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > * Mageia project & association Board (direction of the project). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend +</I>><i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some +</I>><i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be +</I>><i> stripped of "active member" status. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Would this not make it harder for people in certain geographical regions +</I>><i> (say, outside Europe or France) to become an association member, even when +</I>><i> they spend a lot of their free time dedicated to the project? Right now it +</I>><i> seems biased towards locations with the most board members (France). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Remco +</I> + +tbf, i think its logical to have the physical location on the place around +where most of the board members live. on the wiki it seemed not to specify +exactly _that_ location, i suspect if somehow, there's a totally diff group of +board members over time (which i really doubt, it would be bad for continuity +for the project), they would simply choose another place. + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2177">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2177">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2177">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2177">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002178.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002178.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..629451c85 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/002178.html @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] hat off + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20hat%20off&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042345.57377.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002176.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] hat off</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20hat%20off&In-Reply-To=%3C201010042345.57377.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] hat off">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2178">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2178">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2178">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2178">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I didn't want to dirty the governance model thread, so i will be saying it in +this thread: + +hat off! + +You seem to have really been deeply thinking about it, the details can always +be discussed, but the major points are really there. + +(and also, very important that you lose your seat when you become deceased, +you don't want the S.O. to take over the project :-) ) +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2178">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2178">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2178">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2178">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf0190bf8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,547 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 4 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>4 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 100<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - 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need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2168"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2154"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2169"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2135"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2158"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2161"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2170"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2113"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2116"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2122"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2149"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2176"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2080"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2103"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2115"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2123"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2125"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2143"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2145"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2153"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2177"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off +</A><A NAME="2178"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2175"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2131"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2132"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2136"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2140"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2109"> </A> +<I>cedbor +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2102"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2114"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2134"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2118"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2159"> </A> +<I>motitos +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2124"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2164"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:46:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c434cdf0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,547 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 4 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>4 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 100<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2076"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2078"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size +</A><A NAME="2077"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="2079"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2080"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2081"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2082"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2083"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2084"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2085"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2086"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2087"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2088"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2089"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2090"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2091"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2092"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2093"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2095"> </A> +<I>Cliff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2094"> </A> +<I>Lawrence A Fossi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2096"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2098"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2099"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2100"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2101"> </A> +<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2102"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2103"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2104"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2105"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2106"> </A> +<I>Lombard Marianne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2129"> </A> +<I>Cédric Bortolussi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2107"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2108"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2109"> </A> +<I>cedbor +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2110"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2111"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A><A NAME="2112"> </A> +<I>Damien Lallement +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2113"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2114"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2115"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2118"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2116"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2117"> </A> +<I>Rory Albertyn +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2119"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2120"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2121"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2122"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2123"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2124"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2126"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2125"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2130"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2131"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2132"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2134"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2133"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2135"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2136"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2137"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2138"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2139"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2140"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2141"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2142"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2143"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2144"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2145"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2146"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2147"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2148"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2149"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2150"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2151"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2152"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2153"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2154"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2155"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2156"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2157"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2158"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2159"> </A> +<I>motitos +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2160"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2161"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2162"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2163"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2164"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2165"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2166"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2167"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2168"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2169"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2170"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2172"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2173"> </A> +<I>Sigrid Carrera +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2174"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2175"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2176"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2177"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off +</A><A NAME="2178"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:46:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101004/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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<b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 100<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off +</A><A NAME="2178"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2099"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2158"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2170"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2082"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2083"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2084"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2085"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2089"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2090"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2091"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2092"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2093"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2096"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2102"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2129"> </A> +<I>Cédric Bortolussi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2107"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2109"> </A> +<I>cedbor +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2110"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2111"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2114"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2119"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2126"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2133"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2142"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2146"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2148"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2156"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2157"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2168"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2172"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2104"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2116"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2117"> </A> +<I>Rory Albertyn +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2134"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2154"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2159"> </A> +<I>motitos +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2161"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2162"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2163"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2164"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2169"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2177"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size +</A><A NAME="2077"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2086"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2095"> </A> +<I>Cliff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2094"> </A> +<I>Lawrence A Fossi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2098"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2100"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2101"> </A> +<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2103"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2105"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2108"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2113"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2115"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2120"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2121"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2122"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2124"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2125"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2137"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2138"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2139"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2141"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2143"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2144"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2145"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2147"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2150"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2151"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2152"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2153"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2155"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2160"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2167"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2171"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2078"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2080"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2081"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2106"> </A> +<I>Lombard Marianne +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="2079"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2166"> </A> +<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida Júnior +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2130"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2123"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2076"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2087"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2088"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2118"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2131"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2132"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2135"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2136"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2140"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2149"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2165"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2173"> </A> +<I>Sigrid Carrera +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2174"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2175"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2176"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A><A NAME="2112"> </A> +<I>Damien Lallement +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:46:05 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a 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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 100<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01286143452- --> +<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2076"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286143452-01286152681- --> +<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2088"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--1 01286143452-01286202416- --> +<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2140"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01286143499- --> +<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2078"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286143499-01286144989- --> +<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2080"> </A> +<I>Olivier Thauvin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286143499-01286144989-01286147268- --> +<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2081"> </A> +<I>Tomáš Kindl +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286143752- --> +<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size +</A><A NAME="2077"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--0 01286144053- --> +<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum +</A><A NAME="2079"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--0 01286149738- --> +<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2082"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01286150401- --> +<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2083"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286150401-01286151546- --> +<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2085"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150- --> +<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2089"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493- --> +<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2090"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801- --> +<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2091"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134- --> +<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2092"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286156443- --> +<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2093"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286183128- --> +<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2107"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286183128-01286192334- --> +<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2126"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286150401-01286175866- --> +<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2096"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116- --> +<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2099"> </A> +<I>Thorsten van Lil +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116-01286180668- --> +<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2104"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<!--3 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116-01286180668-01286189910- --> +<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2117"> </A> +<I>Rory Albertyn +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286150580- --> +<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2084"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01286151661- --> +<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2086"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01286152481- --> +<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2087"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01286164475- --> +<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2095"> </A> +<I>Cliff +</I> + +<!--0 01286165114- --> +<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2094"> </A> +<I>Lawrence A Fossi +</I> + +<!--0 01286177163- --> +<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2098"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286177163-01286178122- --> +<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2100"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566- --> +<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2103"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286183530- --> +<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2108"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286201109- --> +<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2137"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286201109-01286203035- --> +<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2143"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679- --> +<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2105"> </A> +<I>Frédéric CUIF +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679-01286191119- --> +<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2120"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679-01286191119-01286192098- --> +<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2124"> </A> +<I>yvan munoz +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01286177163-01286178517- --> +<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2101"> </A> +<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath +</I> + +<!--1 01286177163-01286188105- --> +<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2113"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972- --> +<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2115"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289- --> +<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2121"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286192524- --> +<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2125"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471- --> +<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2138"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376- --> +<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2139"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073- --> +<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2144"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286203373- --> +<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2145"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310- --> +<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2147"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310-01286206862- --> +<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2151"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310-01286206862-01286210754- --> +<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2160"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939- --> +<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2141"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331- --> +<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2150"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331-01286207335- --> +<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2152"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331-01286207335-01286209232- --> +<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2155"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191459- --> +<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2122"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286180025- --> +<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2102"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--0 01286182702- --> +<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup +</A><A NAME="2106"> </A> +<I>Lombard Marianne +</I> + +<!--0 01286182900- --> +<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2129"> </A> +<I>Cédric Bortolussi +</I> + +<!--0 01286183549- --> +<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2109"> </A> +<I>cedbor +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286183549-01286184619- --> +<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2110"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237- --> +<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2111"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546- --> +<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2114"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961- --> +<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2119"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974- --> +<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2133"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952- --> +<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2142"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208- --> +<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2146"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829- --> +<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2148"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950- --> +<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2156"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011- --> +<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2157"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404- --> +<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2158"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501- --> +<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2168"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501-01286214905- --> +<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2170"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501-01286215424- --> +<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2172"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286186583- --> +<LI><A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page +</A><A NAME="2112"> </A> +<I>Damien Lallement +</I> + +<!--0 01286189079- --> +<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2118"> </A> +<I>doug +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286189079-01286205022- --> +<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2149"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286189079-01286205022-01286212854- --> +<LI><A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2165"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286189079-01286205022-01286212854-01286220828- --> +<LI><A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List +</A><A NAME="2174"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01286189385- --> +<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board +</A><A NAME="2116"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01286191838- --> +<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2123"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01286191838-01286197045- --> +<LI><A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway +</A><A NAME="2130"> </A> 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governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2161"> </A> +<I>Remco Rijnders +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01286198799-01286211291-01286211630- --> +<LI><A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2162"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01286198799-01286211291-01286211630-01286211815- --> +<LI><A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2163"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01286198799-01286211291-01286211630-01286211861- --> +<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2164"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01286198799-01286211291-01286214633- --> +<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2169"> </A> +<I>Jerome Quelin +</I> + +<!--2 01286198799-01286211291-01286228015- --> +<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft +</A><A NAME="2177"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + 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