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Just curious. + +-Jason A. 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Just curious. +</I> +Chromium is a pain to properly package, imho. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#528">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#528">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#528">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#528">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000529.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000529.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e29a6882 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000529.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwJi%2B4ATcDKqeJZ%3DK6yOwkiMvLOZd3_ErZEeUb%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000528.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000612.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Robert Xu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwJi%2B4ATcDKqeJZ%3DK6yOwkiMvLOZd3_ErZEeUb%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">robxu9 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 00:36:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#529">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#529">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#529">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#529">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 18:34, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 18:32 -0400, sorteal a écrit : +</I>>><i> I'm curious if Chromium has been considered as the default browser? +</I>>><i> With KDE seeming to be the DE of choice and Firefox having a less than +</I>>><i> stellar record with KDE integration  I find Chromium to be an appealing +</I>>><i> alternative to Firefox.  Just curious. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Chromium is a pain to properly package, imho. +</I>><i> +</I> +Some alternatives could include Epiphany for GTK desktops and ReKonq for KDE... +While this mess is being sorted out. + +-- +later, Robert Xu +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#529">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#529">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#529">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#529">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000530.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000530.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11a4d401f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000530.html @@ -0,0 +1,143 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1285886593.5530.241.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000572.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000558.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1285886593.5530.241.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 00:43:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#530">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#530">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#530">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#530">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 00:28 +0300, P. Christeas a écrit : +><i> On Thursday 30 September 2010, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:05 +0800, Kira a écrit : +</I>><i> > > "A distribution for Newbie" is good, but I think what Graham said is +</I>><i> > > better. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Well, +</I>><i> > saying "a distribution for newbies" is not as good as it sound. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > If you market the distribution so people think "if you are a newbie, use +</I>><i> > this distro", people will think "he use this distribution so he is a +</I>><i> > newbie". ... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > In turn, this mean a diminution of the global expertise in the +</I>><i> > community.... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ++ +</I>><i> What about the "easy to learn distro" as a concept? +</I> +Yup, the distro that make you become expert, something like that. + +One thing we must not forget is that we need people that contribute if +we want to survive. A commercial distribution requires money ( and +therefore users that can bring money , either directly, or either +indirectly ( service, ads, etc )) to survive. We are not a commercial +distribution, so the pressure is lower with regard to money. But we +still to have people that develop it, and if we cannot pay people for +that directly ( since we are not a company, even if maybe some companies +will help us later ), we need to directly use contributions as a way to +ensure our own sustainability. + +SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering +contributions should be one of our goals. + +The second point is that we are here because we want community +empowerment. So community also must be a strong point, especially since +it will appeal to people that would allow the community to survive. + +So again, I think that empowerment should be another one of the goals. + +Now, we must ask ourself "what is pushing people to contribute". +There is various papers, like this one +<A HREF="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033">http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033</A> + +( I let the analysis as a exercise for the moment ). + +And we need to find a way to combine this with others goals. + +While a traditional motivation in free software is to solve our own +problem ( and that's also part of community empowerment ), this is not +enough. We also need to think to more than us. And I think that's the +complex part. + +We have 2 choices. Either we try to find a market where no one went, or +a market where someone went, and try to be better. Or maybe both. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#530">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#530">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#530">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#530">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000531.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000531.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ae5bb605e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000531.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] So? 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+ +Salut, +Sinner +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#531">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#531">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#531">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#531">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000532.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000532.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e40124e29 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000532.html @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] So? 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+</I> +I guess Anne forgot, thanks for reminding us. + +I can make a brief summary from what I remind : + +- a sysadmin team have been created, except we do not have yet servers +to manage ( ok, 1 ). I will let nicolas (boklm) explain, as he was in +charge of this + +- we have a vm offered by gandi.net, to host secondary dns + blog + www ++ secondary mx + temporary svn. It is not installed yet ( besides the +os ) + +- damien(damsweb), raphael(rapsys) and anne (ennael) are taking care of +getting a hoster for the 5 servers that were offered by a donor who wish +to stay anonymous, and for the missing hardware ( mainly hard drives ). + +- the statuts of the association should be sent on friday or at the +beginning of the week, published 1 month later roughly ( once reviewed +by administration ), by severine ( sevalienor ) + +- olivier (Nanar) should soon annonce plan for mirrors ( and a perl web +application to take care of this, so if people want to help him on +anything ). + +- afaik, we will also soon post a FAQ on the website, written by damien +and severine, and proofread by anssi and ahmad + +- I am working on a planning for the deployment of the buildsystem +( roughly, 4/5 days from scratch without server installation if all goes +well ), when I am not answering to mails or taking care of servers. + +- romain is still working on the manifesto, among others ( like helping +for statuts, organisation rules, getting contacts, etc ) + +- we have been contacted by various newspapers, podcasts, etc, which +have took lots of time. I will not spoil the surprise however to tell +where we answered :p + +- buchan ( bgmilne) is taking care of the ldap part to store accounts + + +I may have forgot some parts, and some people, but I think that +summarizing everything that was since a few days. Of course, you can +also add the work of AUFML for donation, the part about blog done by +damien, etc. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#532">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#532">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#532">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#532">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000533.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000533.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..84f2247c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000533.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? 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This will drive knowledgeable peoples away to others +</I>><i> distribution, because they will feel they will learn more by using +</I>><i> another distro ( which is wrong ) and because others peoples will appear +</I>><i> as more knowledgeable when they use a distro that is not aimed at +</I>><i> newbies. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In turn, this mean a diminution of the global expertise in the +</I>><i> community. Less expert users to answer to support, less experts users to +</I>><i> report bug, fix packages, create softwares or contribute, and to +</I>><i> basically teach to new users how to be good community member resulting +</I>><i> in less quality, and a less sustainable community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apple does it correctly. They never say "we target newbie users". +</I>><i> See <A HREF="http://www.apple.com//why-mac/">http://www.apple.com//why-mac/</A> +</I>><i> "better computer" "most advanced os" "award winning support" "latest +</I>><i> technology" "software you love". +</I> +Neither are we saying that, in fact what we would possibly be saying is +"Mageia has the tools to allow your Genius (tm) to achieve their place in the +world" or something of that nature. What you are talking about is an +advertising approach not a marketing demographic and so is somewhat premature + +We haven't stated how we would approach the market only that we identified +this as a possible target. + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#534">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#534">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#534">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#534">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000535.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000535.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..503092aba --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000535.html @@ -0,0 +1,182 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011150.56966.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000591.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000556.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011150.56966.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 00:50:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#535">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#535">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#535">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#535">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 01 Oct 2010 10:11:18 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Reading all this one thing comes to my mind: the world is not the same +</I>><i> all over the world. Same applies to your assessments of school +</I>><i> decisions, families and the Linux/WIndows issue. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Over here the public office of a state controlls what computers and +</I>><i> operating systems are used in schools, money is not a criteria there. +</I>><i> It is, of course, in the sense that many schools can not have +</I>><i> computers at all or just 10 machines for a school of 500 students. Ah, +</I>><i> yes, I'm talking about Germany, not somewhere in central Africa. +</I>><i> The public office makes deals with Microsoft (sometimes Mr. Gates +</I>><i> himself came to visit before a new contract was signed), the largest +</I>><i> local t-com provider sponsors the internet access and the schools have +</I>><i> no say in that. +</I> +It used to be like that here too, but governments don't like exclusivity and +given the option they will contract other players with the right sort of +pressure. Novell did it here in NZ, got the same deal as MickySoft. +Education departments respond to pressure from industry, simple + +><i> +</I>><i> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new +</I>><i> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no +</I>><i> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know +</I>><i> anything about computers. +</I> +Nonsense, It's interesting I know quite a few German families here in NZ, +perhaps that's why they migrated, so the wife could make the majority of the +purchasing decisions. ;) I'm afraid that your impressions fly in the face of +all the real marketing intelligence. Dad or kids buy the computers because Mum +has been left out of the demographic, typical given the number of women in the +industry, but target that demographic and Mum becomes decision maker. + +In this day and age everyone knows about computers even if they don't know how +to operate them. They also know the significance of computers in modern +society and In this target group they would invariably know how to work them. +I'm talking young parents here, they've likely had computers to work and play +with right through their Secondary school career and now they have school age +kids of their own who demand technology + + +><i> +</I>><i> One of the largest and fastest growing groups of computer users over +</I>><i> here are people of age, retired persons who visit computer courses in +</I>><i> the neighborhood center (I'm teaching there sometimes). They are a +</I>><i> target group also. +</I> +Agreed wholeheartedly and guess what, many have Grandchildren and families + +><i> +</I>><i> I think the one you picked (young couples with kids) are those who are +</I>><i> the unlikeliest targets - Mom and Dad are working, perhaps with +</I>><i> computers, most times with Windows. Kids will learn their computer +</I>><i> knowledge in school, not at home because Mom and Dad have no time for +</I>><i> that. +</I> +Nonsense, this group understands that education is nonstop process and for +their children to make the most of their educational opportunities then they +need the tools at home to do it. It is a market that is ripe for the plucking +because the only people targeting them right now is Microsoft. + +><i> +</I>><i> See, this is quite different to the picture you are painting, and I +</I>><i> can imagine that it may be still different in other areas of the +</I>><i> world. +</I> +Every place is unique, but not as unique as we'd all like to believe, one +thing that marketing tells you. A good example is Micky Ds, the same +everywhere, with slight local variations. + +><i> +</I>><i> Therefore picking one target group for a worldwide project like this +</I>><i> is the wrong way IMHO. +</I> +I am not picking one target group, I am identifying an untapped market and a +potentially large one. It's also a small network of 4.2 people and more when +you include a third generation, and personal network is our weakest link and +MS's strongest + +><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +cheers +GL + + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#535">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#535">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#535">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#535">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000536.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000536.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f70dd9bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000536.html @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011224.08005.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000635.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000531.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011224.08005.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 01:24:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#536">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#536">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#536">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#536">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 01 Oct 2010 05:03:25 Thorsten van Lil wrote: +><i> Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A>] +</I>><i> Im Auftrag von Gustavo Giampaoli +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Every distro, with the +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > right packages, can be whatever the user whants it to be. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >From a logical point of you, your right. But people aren't logical. Ship a +</I>><i> +</I>><i> distribution with a background with balloons and some fancy window +</I>><i> decoration and kids will love it, while other will never try it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's stupid, because you can easily change it but nevertheless, that's it +</I>><i> like it work. So for me the question of our main market is a question of +</I>><i> who we want to attract. And I think Graham aims at this to, because we +</I>><i> need a logo, main colors, a website, ... . All these parts should attract +</I>><i> the people of our main market. +</I> +YodaMan, Yo all hear dis: HEdaMan :D + +Sorry sleep deprivation and I watched Martin Lawrence last night! ;) + + +><i> +</I>><i> What packages we ship doesn't really matters, because as you said "Linux is +</I>><i> Linux". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, who do we want to attract? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> TeaAge +</I>><i> +</I>><i> _______________________________________________ +</I>><i> Mageia-dev mailing list +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">Mageia-dev at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A> +</I> +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#536">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#536">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#536">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#536">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000537.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000537.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..67e3e42eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000537.html @@ -0,0 +1,166 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA53E7C.5080204%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000533.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000539.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA53E7C.5080204%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 03:50:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#537">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#537">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#537">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#537">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Graham Lauder wrote: +><i> In a phrase: Horse Doo doo +</I>[....] + +><i> Mageia has a donation system +</I>><i> +</I> +[....] +><i> We do this because at the end of the day infrastructure costs, marketing +</I>><i> costs, a whole pile of things cost. One day some patch or application, which +</I>><i> is essential but completely non-sexy could require us to pay a dev on contract +</I>><i> and so on and so forth. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now our problem is that in these days of "everything free off the Internet" +</I>><i> getting Koha is problematic. However there is, obviously, a proportion of the +</I>><i> market that is willing to give Koha. That proportion in a market is generally +</I>><i> but arguably fixed, so the bigger the market the greater the Koha. Our +</I>><i> advantage is that our "costs" vary little with the size of the market. +</I>><i> +</I> +I'm not exactly ignorant of Economics 101, having been in this business +(on the commercial side) for about 35 years. :-) + +You make my point exactly. The infrastructure costs are fixed, and the +donor pool will be larger if the user base is larger. You can either +choose to entice people to donate because of their perception of the +slant (market vision) of the distro, or you can entice people to donate +because they find the distro useful to them personally (otherwise known +as pseudo-shareware). If you narrow the audience using the former +approach, you're excluding potential contributors. I was a member of +Mandriva Club for years because I thought Mandriva worth supporting; I +never bought a PowerPack or a Box Set because I never needed that +stuff. If MDV had trumpeted itself as a KDE-only Family (or Education, +or whatever) distro, and reinforced that by excluding packages and +infrastructure support for other stuff, I wouldn't have given a dime. + + +><i> There is already a way of doing that, it's called OBS (OpenSUSE Build service, +</I>><i> it's free software, install it or in fact use it) and with that and SUSE +</I>><i> Studio, OpenSUSE have that corner of the market targeted and nailed. +</I>><i> +</I> +Except that they don't have the tools that we have. The software +packages are common to every distro. The tools aren't. The key to +whether someone would use OBS or ours (or even OBS ported to use our +packages) is the quality of the packages (currency, stability) and the +quality of the distro tools. +"Focus" is all about excluding "non-essential" activities so that a +company can focus its limited resources on the desires of a specific +market. A community distro is about servicing the largest possible +community and providing a base from which others (including ourselves) +can specialize. The assumption is that the community will supply the +manpower needed to achieve the objectives they want achieved, and if you +think that the potential developer contributor pool gives a rat's +whatever about targeted "image" distros that don't satisfy their +specific needs, then you don't know developers. And I would seriously +question the assumption that 20-something families looking for commodity +computing are going to become a significant donor base; that might +happen if they were required to pay for it up front, and if their desire +to buy it was great enough, but if they can get it and install it for +free, they're outta there after that. Your contributions are going to +come from people who have a longer-term view or an investment in the +health of the distro. + +Cheers, +Frank +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#537">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#537">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#537">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#537">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000538.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000538.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d90de1083 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000538.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA540A7.8020001%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000539.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000541.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA540A7.8020001%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:00:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#538">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#538">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#538">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#538">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Could the admin for this list please change the Reply-To default to the +list itself ? The other Mageia lists appear to have done this, but this +one still sends replies to both the sender and the list. I've just had +one experience where the reply goes to the sender and *not* to the +list. I'm aware of the prejudices of the Mailman developers, but let's +please adhere to standards. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#538">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#538">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#538">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#538">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000539.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000539.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..129b1403d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000539.html @@ -0,0 +1,182 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011403.33009.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000537.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000538.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011403.33009.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 03:03:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#539">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#539">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#539">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#539">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 01 Oct 2010 14:50:52 Frank Griffin wrote: +><i> Graham Lauder wrote: +</I>><i> > In a phrase: Horse Doo doo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [....] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Mageia has a donation system +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [....] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > We do this because at the end of the day infrastructure costs, marketing +</I>><i> > costs, a whole pile of things cost. One day some patch or application, +</I>><i> > which is essential but completely non-sexy could require us to pay a dev +</I>><i> > on contract and so on and so forth. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Now our problem is that in these days of "everything free off the +</I>><i> > Internet" getting Koha is problematic. However there is, obviously, a +</I>><i> > proportion of the market that is willing to give Koha. That proportion +</I>><i> > in a market is generally but arguably fixed, so the bigger the market +</I>><i> > the greater the Koha. Our advantage is that our "costs" vary little +</I>><i> > with the size of the market. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not exactly ignorant of Economics 101, having been in this business +</I>><i> (on the commercial side) for about 35 years. :-) +</I> +42 for me, I started with NCR in August of 1968 and eventually went on to be +MD of my own company for eighteen years, these days retired on my little +country estate, wonderful lifestyle, bloody awful internet connection. :) + +And this is not economics this is Marketing 101 + +><i> +</I>><i> You make my point exactly. The infrastructure costs are fixed, and the +</I>><i> donor pool will be larger if the user base is larger. +</I> +><i> [....] If MDV had trumpeted itself as a KDE-only Family (or Education, +</I>><i> or whatever) distro, and reinforced that by excluding packages and +</I>><i> infrastructure support for other stuff, I wouldn't have given a dime. +</I> +And you miss my point entirely, there is NO trumpeting, that's advertising, +there is no exclusion, rather inclusion of a missed market + +><i> +</I>><i> > There is already a way of doing that, it's called OBS (OpenSUSE Build +</I>><i> > service, it's free software, install it or in fact use it) and with that +</I>><i> > and SUSE Studio, OpenSUSE have that corner of the market targeted and +</I>><i> > nailed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Except that they don't have the tools that we have. The software +</I>><i> packages are common to every distro. The tools aren't. The key to +</I>><i> whether someone would use OBS or ours (or even OBS ported to use our +</I>><i> packages) is the quality of the packages (currency, stability) and the +</I>><i> quality of the distro tools. +</I> +I'm a marketing guy not a hacker and I haven't been part of the marketing of +OBS, but I seem to remember that OBS packages for a whole heap of distros +including even deb based ones. However I may be wrong talk to Jos Poortvliet +or Andreas Jaeger on the opensuse lists + +><i> +</I>><i> "Focus" is all about excluding "non-essential" activities so that a +</I>><i> company can focus its limited resources on the desires of a specific +</I>><i> market. +</I> +Focus in this case is about establishing branding, nothing else + +[....] + + +><i> Cheers, +</I>><i> Frank +</I> +Cheers +GL +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#539">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#539">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#539">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#539">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000540.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000540.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d838689a7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000540.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010010344540.18004-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000612.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000542.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010010344540.18004-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:07:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#540">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#540">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#540">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#540">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, sorteal wrote: + +><i> I'm curious if Chromium has been considered as the default browser? +</I>><i> With KDE seeming to be the DE of choice and Firefox having a less than +</I>><i> stellar record with KDE integration I find Chromium to be an appealing +</I>><i> alternative to Firefox. Just curious. +</I> +I'd much prefer to keep Firefox as default, it is still much more +popular than Chromium and since Google as a company is considered +highly controversial because of their attitude to privacy, using +Chromium as default would antagonize a part of our potential users. + +Also while Chromium is technically open source, in practice Google +discourages community collaboration, see this blog entry from the +Fedora Chromium packager: +<A HREF="http://spot.livejournal.com/314645.html">http://spot.livejournal.com/314645.html</A> + +While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by +default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? +Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#540">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#540">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#540">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#540">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000541.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000541.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..154568533 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000541.html @@ -0,0 +1,112 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C1285899871.5530.289.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000538.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000547.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C1285899871.5530.289.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:24:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#541">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#541">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#541">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#541">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:00 -0400, Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> Could the admin for this list please change the Reply-To default to the +</I>><i> list itself ? The other Mageia lists appear to have done this, but this +</I>><i> one still sends replies to both the sender and the list. +</I> +That's not the same setting, there is first_strip_reply_to and +reply_goes_to_list . The second was enabled, not the former. I have +activated it, and I think i will need to review -i18n for that too. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#541">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#541">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#541">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#541">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000542.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000542.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b62a00f90 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000542.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285899492.4971.113.camel%40desktop.barefootcomputing.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000540.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000545.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Liam R E Quin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285899492.4971.113.camel%40desktop.barefootcomputing.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">liam at holoweb.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:18:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#542">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#542">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#542">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#542">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 04:07 +0200, Tux99 wrote: +[...] +><i> While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by +</I>><i> default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? +</I>><i> Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! +</I> +Possibly, but then you don't get the ads... which, like it or not, are +funding an awful lot of Web sites. + +There's always the myth that Linux users have no money, and/or just want +things without paying for them... + +Better to make AdBlock scripts easy to install (e.g. via +MageiaControlCentre?), and maybe include them (so no download needed) +but not enabled. + +Liam + +-- +Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A> +Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A> +Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#542">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#542">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#542">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#542">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000543.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000543.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..177152d0f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000543.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1009302119120.16988%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000547.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000549.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1009302119120.16988%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:33:56 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#543">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#543">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#543">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#543">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 30 Sep 2010, Michael Scherer wrote: + +><i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:05 +0800, Kira a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> "A distribution for Newbie" is good, but I think what Graham said is +</I>>><i> better. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, +</I>><i> saying "a distribution for newbies" is not as good as it sound. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you market the distribution so people think "if you are a newbie, use +</I>><i> this distro", people will think "he use this distribution so he is a +</I>><i> newbie". This will drive knowledgeable peoples away to others +</I>><i> distribution, because they will feel they will learn more by using +</I>><i> another distro ( which is wrong ) and because others peoples will appear +</I>><i> as more knowledgeable when they use a distro that is not aimed at +</I>><i> newbies. +</I> +I think Mageia should be marketed/presented on the basis of its tools +and hardware recognition. It lends itself to easy configuration and +administration with the Mageia Control Center and its many excellent +individual tools, like the partitioner, so is newbie friendly, but is +also power user and system controller friendly, and person who wants +to learn computers friendly, if you want to use cli. We should talk +about our assets and explain what individuals/groups those assets might +be relevant to. Mandriva's/Mageia's unique set of tools is what +differentiate's it/them from other distros. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#543">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#543">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#543">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#543">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000544.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000544.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ed8c4a8c9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000544.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] So? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20So%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C6DAEB780-D588-4406-B764-11C7C3805EEF%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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The second was enabled, not the former. I have +</I>><i> activated it, and I think i will need to review -i18n for that too +</I> +Thanks, Michael. + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#546">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#546">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#546">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#546">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000547.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000547.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe1b43c69 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000547.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA54C24.4030302%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000541.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000543.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Mailman%20idiot%20defaults&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA54C24.4030302%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 04:49:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#547">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#547">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#547">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#547">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> That's not the same setting, there is first_strip_reply_to and +</I>><i> reply_goes_to_list . The second was enabled, not the former. I have +</I>><i> activated it, and I think i will need to review -i18n for that too +</I> +Thanks, Michael. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#547">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#547">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#547">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#547">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000548.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000548.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aeb9e9fbe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000548.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimpiHs%2BCX4FYf03KkdnKE3ONbZ66zpU4mVPSnJM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Everyone brainstormed +</I>>>><i> what they saw as the core values of Mageia to give a direction that the +</I>>>><i> Projects Vision and mission statement could head. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The reasoning behind this is it points a figurative arrow at our primary +</I>>>><i> target market and thus gives us a guide toward where our branding should +</I>>>><i> be aimed. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A mistake that is often made is branding from an internal aesthetic when +</I>>>><i> in fact branding should be more aimed externally to attract a new +</I>>>><i> demographic. If the gods are in alignment then ideally it should point +</I>>>><i> toward our principle point of difference and again this influences our +</I>>>><i> branding choices in terms of Colour Pallet Logo and so forth. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The "feel" to me that came from the brainstorming was that Mageia could +</I>>>><i> be marketed as the "Family Distro". This being a principle point of +</I>>>><i> difference when a user makes a decision as to what operating system to +</I>>>><i> run. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Our principle competitor, MS competes against the Linux universe as a +</I>>>><i> whole but other distros compete for the MS user base aimed at particular +</I>>>><i> Demographics. For instance: +</I>>>><i> OpenSUSE aims at the "Power User" Market +</I>>>><i> Ubuntu aims at the young individual end of the market +</I>>>><i> CentOS at Community enterprise and Not For Profits +</I>>>><i> Fedora at the Computing Professional +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Mageia could therefore aim at the Young Married professional market, +</I>>>><i> being the Distro that could be installed on the home computer and geared +</I>>>><i> so that the whole family could use it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>This seems to be an excellent target market. The relative ease-of-use +of Mandriva should have been targeted here. In the past, without +realising it, I've targeted such users myself for Mandriva. And Mageia +has the advantage of not being tied to a commercial market. +>>><i> So for instance as well as the standard software, educational programmes +</I>>>><i> would be installed by default, be NetSafe (Dans Guardian), have OOo4Kids +</I>>>><i> installed as well as a full office suite, Tuxtype, TuxPaint and so on. +</I>>>><i> +</I>Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have +to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational +group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups +available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young +Family". + +Note that in the past (at least about 10 years ago), RedHat CD's had +many selectable installation groups, many of which overlapped. So using +this approach, there could be groups called "Educational", "Young +Family", and "Home Office", for example, all containing the +go-openoffice office suite, among other applications. +I believe that the current Mandriva DVD doesn't have any overlap between +installation groups. + +>>><i> Documentation added to show parents how to set up accounts for the kids +</I>>>><i> and how to make it Net safe. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I think that this is an untapped market right now and something that the +</I>>>><i> project could leverage into a marketing campaign and guide us in terms of +</I>>>><i> branding. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Comments? +</I>>>><i> +</I>I think you are right on the mark. +>>><i> Cheers +</I>>>><i> GL +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think that if you target the software packages that are compatible +</I>>><i> with Educational software advocated by educational organizations, we +</I>>><i> could make quite large inroads in the adaptability of Mageia.For +</I>>><i> example, when marketing the OS, emphasis on the distro that can carry +</I>>><i> your kids through their educational paths with such packages as +</I>>><i> OpenOffice (soon to be LibreOffice -- make sure the MSWorks plug-in is +</I>>><i> also included) compatible with MSOffice; GIMP similar to Photoshop and +</I>>><i> some plugins are compatible; Freemind mindmapping; etc. If Mageia +</I>>><i> concentrated on making these software packages work solidly then you +</I>>><i> could have a good run at competing with other linux distros in the +</I>>><i> educational field. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, that's why I suggest OOo4Kids. The go-oo.org version is pretty much +</I>><i> essential right now because of it's GoogleDocs/Zoho integration. Schools are +</I>><i> using the cloud as an educational tool more and more. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> BTW, in Canada, many school boards still use the Novel Netware setups +</I>>><i> and they are just now in the midst of planning out its replacement. My +</I>>><i> school board for example will have to replace close to 10,000 units if +</I>>><i> they were to move to a Linux setup. I sat in on a meeting about 5 years +</I>>><i> ago to hear out a RehHat re-seller's pitch. Most school boards are +</I>>><i> almost at the break point and will be actively looking for new +</I>>><i> networking/desktop solutions. +</I>>><i> +</I>Mageia to the rescue :) +><i> Common all over the world and if the school can see that the software used at +</I>><i> school is as friendly on the home computer... +</I>><i> +</I>The big plus : no extra cost for exactly what is used at school. +>><i> So, compatibility with educational software. The distro should also be +</I>>><i> an easy install for everyone and GUI run. If we are going to make it and +</I>>><i> contend with other distros, the majority of users want a GUI run install +</I>>><i> where everything works right away. There should be as little fiddling +</I>>><i> around as possible. Install (15-20 minutes), then, register user +</I>>><i> accounts, shares for accounts, re-name the computer to instill a sense +</I>>><i> of ownership to the user (rather than having your computer called +</I>>><i> "localhost" all the time, and then you are done! (Cups and 3d should be +</I>>><i> installed automatically during the install phase). Make the install as +</I>>><i> easy as possible. +</I>>><i> +</I>15-20 minutes is probably a bit short; realistically Microsoft takes an +hour to install. +In the current Mandriva, during installation one can do all that. +However, what is needed is a friendlier GUI, and much better help/info +along the way. +(For help/info on install, Ubuntu is much better than Mandriva. But +please, Ubuntu's ugly brown theme is depressing.) +Cups is installed by default if there is a printer connected. + +3D should probably be an option, as it requires a lot of horsepower. On +a netbook, for example, it would be extremely slow. Currently, 3D +doesn't work properly under Linux on certain brands of computers, like +Toshiba. +And most games for young children wouldn't use it anyway. +(Really useful for the teenage and young adult gamer market, though. +But they'll probably have their own computer.) +Easy to install is indeed an important point. +><i> When I started using Linux (Mandrake was my first distro and the reason I +</I>><i> abandoned Windows) MCC to me, a nongeek, was the killer app. OpenSuSE's Yast +</I>><i> is/was the only real competition. The ability to administer everything from a +</I>><i> GUI is killer for the Ex-windows user. +</I>><i> +</I>MCC is part of the reason why I originally switched to Mandriva from RedHat. +Actually I like the fact that more info is available under Linux. +><i> The next is a distro with games and solid multi-player game setups that +</I>><i> work. Get the distro to play nice with WOW and other popular games. This +</I>><i> will kill the competition and grab kids attention. Have a Mageia games +</I>><i> advocate(s) who periodically send out "snazzy" e-newsletters and a +</I>><i> "Magei Games Korner" on the website to foster gamesmanship on the +</I>><i> distro. Get the kids talking about the "rock-solid" install of WOW (for +</I>><i> example) using Wine -- the distro should come "hard wired" to play! and +</I>><i> rock! +</I>><i> +</I>That would be a big plus going after the teenage game market. M$ seems +to own it now. +That could evolve from a focus on the family market. The fact that +Linux natively networks is a plus. +><i> The critical thing about aiming at a family market is that you are not aiming +</I>><i> at Kids. The target in this market is Mum, she is the power here, the rest of +</I>><i> the family follow along meekly. +</I>><i> +</I>Or enthusiastically, if Mageia is packaged right. True. +><i> +</I>>><i> Have a great advocacy group that will stand up to Mageia bashing and +</I>>><i> hand out comparative studies on the distro's performance and keep the +</I>>><i> name in the headlines with such sites as LinuxToday.com. Be proactive +</I>>><i> rather reactive to Linux possibilities of use where it can rationalized +</I>>><i> as a good replacement desktop distro. +</I>>><i> +</I>Sound a bit like M$ "studies" that prove that black is white. But if it +works ... +Didn't Mandriva promote itself as the desktop distro a while back ? +Reminds me that a company that does commercial support for Linux here in +Canada recently won a lawsuit against the Québec (provincial) govt for +considering only a Microsoft solution. So next time they have to take +Linux into consideration. +><i> What we have to do is replace the Linux=Ubuntu with Mageia instead of Windows. +</I>><i> Linux has already been sold to those who fill the market that needs to know +</I>><i> about that, let Ubuntu have that space. What I would like to see is a +</I>><i> decision making process that goes Windows or Mac or Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>One way to combat Linux=Ubuntu is to have "Linux" in our logo. +><i> +</I>>><i> Cheers +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I>><i> +</I>- André (andre999) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#549">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#549">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#549">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#549">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000550.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000550.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7ee91b022 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000550.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Hello + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Hello&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikLR8QdoPOJ1hQJL%3DP%3DfBo8oM0AmfABZ9BGpE-f%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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The current version of the protocol seems very complicated to +me, I'd say unnecessarily complicated, which is not what you would want +from a potentially privacy-sensitive feature. + +( <A HREF="http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec">http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec</A> ) + +The fact remains that when this feature is enabled, Firefox interacts +with a Google service, without the user being aware of it. + +My main point is, any program (not just Firefox) that contacts a remote +service (where it's not obvious for the user) should notify the user +about this with a dialog box before doing so the first time, asking +for the informed consent of the user. + +In fact this could be a strong unique selling point of Mageia, if we +make sure that all Mageia packages are configured by default to respect +the user's privacy and to always request consent from the user before +connecting to remote services. + +A slogan could be: +"Mageia the Linux distro that takes your privacy seriously" + +Drakrpm is a good example on how to do it correctly, since before +setting up the list of mirrors it asks the user for consent to contact +the Mandriva site to download the list of mirrors. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#551">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#551">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#551">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#551">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000552.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000552.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..466db23f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000552.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik2MvL_8hG-Bu22Vdgw%3D%3DezN5A2_LYXsETxKpy7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000551.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000553.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Pascal Terjan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik2MvL_8hG-Bu22Vdgw%3D%3DezN5A2_LYXsETxKpy7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">pterjan at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 06:34:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 21:27, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> What I did though is read the specs of the protocol that implements this +</I>><i> 'feature' and I must say that it's not entirely clear what information +</I>><i> Firefox passes on to Google when contacting the Google 'safe-browsing' +</I>><i> databse. The current version of the protocol seems very complicated to +</I>><i> me, I'd say unnecessarily complicated, which is not what you would want +</I>><i> from a potentially privacy-sensitive feature. +</I> +Well the complexity of the protocol is to allow firefox to download +only needed part of the blacklist, without sending the url to google +and without downloading a huge list periodically. +All the information passed by firefox to google is which chunk of the +list it wants do download, this being determined by the beginning of +the hash of the url. +It would indeed be simpler to send the url. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#552">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#552">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#552">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#552">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000553.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000553.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f9d1ee696 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000553.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin5hgJB0f3vmC1pdKCAKCr-wvUWFRbjxAhXKk_1%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000552.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000554.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin5hgJB0f3vmC1pdKCAKCr-wvUWFRbjxAhXKk_1%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">msdobrescu at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 06:43:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#553">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#553">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#553">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#553">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I love FireFox for its plethora of add-ons. 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+I don't think this can be said with certainty, thanks to the complexity +of the protocol. + +In any case, regardless what data gets passed on, I think we should +follow the principle of making sure that apps only interact with remote +services when the user is aware of it, i.e. INFORMED CONSENT, like I +mentioned in the previous mail. + +Therefore any features that interact automatically with remote services +without the informed consent of the user should be disabled by default. +(the user is still free to enable them at any time, so we are not +limiting the user in any way) + +The following article makes it very clear why this is always a good +practice to follow: +<A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/09/some-android-apps-found-to-covertly-send-gps-data-to-advertisers.ars">http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/09/some-android-apps-found-to-covertly-send-gps-data-to-advertisers.ars</A> + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000555.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000555.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d228afda3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000555.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikGdbZPrF7kKXR1%2BxpV%2BK6VMGrAzqwg9y8FJtz0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000589.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000604.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikGdbZPrF7kKXR1%2BxpV%2BK6VMGrAzqwg9y8FJtz0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 08:51:34 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Every +6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +space waste. + +One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +code names. + +What's your opinion? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#555">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#555">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#555">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#555">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000556.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000556.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c3d9461ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000556.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8NiZJKWfg0jw%2BRiMMpbE_uT%2BV2WQDOE14KoDH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000535.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000557.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim8NiZJKWfg0jw%2BRiMMpbE_uT%2BV2WQDOE14KoDH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 09:37:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +>><i> +</I>>><i> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new +</I>>><i> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no +</I>>><i> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know +</I>>><i> anything about computers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nonsense, It's interesting I know quite a few German families here in NZ, +</I>><i> perhaps that's why they migrated, so the wife could make the majority of the +</I>><i> purchasing decisions.  ;)  I'm afraid that your impressions fly in the face of +</I>><i> all the real marketing intelligence. Dad or kids buy the computers because Mum +</I>><i> has been left out of the demographic, typical given the number of women in the +</I>><i> industry, but target that demographic and Mum becomes decision maker. +</I> +I don't know about marketing, I've just been living here for decades +and been helping in the computer field for more than 15 years. I hold +computer courses entry level, I give advice with computer purchases in +families, etc. All my practical experience tells me what I've written +here. + +><i> Every place is unique, but not as unique as we'd all like to believe, one +</I>><i> thing that marketing tells you.  A good example is Micky Ds, the same +</I>><i> everywhere, with slight local variations. +</I> +Nonsense (to use the same language as you do). You can't apply some +junkfood chain success story to computers and software. + +As I said, I disagree with your points not because I am another +marketing guy but because of experience. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000557.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000557.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9e9c8d66f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000557.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010010949.11603.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000556.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000575.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010010949.11603.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 09:49:11 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-01 +><i> 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +</I>><i> >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new +</I>><i> >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no +</I>><i> >> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know +</I>><i> >> anything about computers. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Nonsense, It's interesting I know quite a few German families here in NZ, +</I>I think it's quite strange to tell someone he's talking nonsense, when his +experience is based on linving in a country for decades and your own by +knowing some people who migrated from there... +><i> +</I>><i> I don't know about marketing, I've just been living here for decades +</I>><i> and been helping in the computer field for more than 15 years. I hold +</I>><i> computer courses entry level, I give advice with computer purchases in +</I>><i> families, etc. All my practical experience tells me what I've written +</I>><i> here. +</I>I have to fully agree with Wolfgang. The mother-centrated family model may be +true in the amer-austra-new-zealandian world (at least the soap operas on TV +tell this) but I'm quite sure that in more conservative europe the story is +quite different. +And: kids want their 3D-splash-them-all-games. Kids won't switch to Linux as +long as the games industry doesn't change. +Moms usually will work with what they know, every change is a problem, since +it's different from what they are used to and they have to learn anew. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000558.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000558.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..09d5e8e71 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000558.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vjv0g2mjn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000530.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000559.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vjv0g2mjn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 09:59:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:43:13 -0400, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering +</I>><i> contributions should be one of our goals. +</I> +In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be linux developers, +since they are the people who can contribute the most. It should +also target people who want to use the distribution used by the people +who are actually developing the tools. Magiea is the distribution +targeting the linux community itself. Easy to use for all users, +especially developers. + +Magiea should not be targeting windows or mac users. It should be the +best linux distribution for linux developers, and users. Things like +the welcome application are good, but the target market shouldn't be +new linux users. + +I also think things like 3d, or "Desktop Effects" should be disabled by +default, as things like animating a window minimizing make the system +seem slow, even with good hardware. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000559.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000559.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b02ec6a7a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000559.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011111.45428.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000558.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000611.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>P. Christeas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011111.45428.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">p_christ at hol.gr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 10:11:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 01 October 2010, David W. Hodgins wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be linux developers, +</I> +Yes and no. I am a developer, using Mandriva all these years and want Mageia +also to be a _developer friendly_ distribution. But not a /developer oriented/ +like slackware or gentoo. + +For that target I would make a wishlist: + - Must be easy to keep in "production". That is, allow us to work every day +without major feature breakages. We want to develop our package, not be fixing +the Linux installation all of our time. + - Have all latest libs and packages, *available*. Not force us to use them by +default, but have recent things at the repos, so that we can pick them to +develop against. + - Have minimal obtrusion from the desktop, yet be powerful. Think of the +kde3,4 environment. We like the fact that we have a very rich text editor, +many commands and utilities. But, all these shouldn't take more than 5% of our +cpu, not take much memory. Because, our main work is *NOT* to search with +nepomuk, or waste our resources on plasmoids. Our work is to make the package +we are developing to compile, run, test etc. + - Be easy to report bugs, work with the main team. + +I think Mandriva already was a good choice for the above wishlist. Keep that, +please. + +><i> I also think things like 3d, or "Desktop Effects" should be disabled by +</I>><i> default, as things like animating a window minimizing make the system +</I>><i> seem slow, even with good hardware. +</I> +Defaults is not an issue. A developer should be experienced enough to switch +some things off and customize his system. As long as there *is* a switch for +that (and not the "you must use GL animations for your menu rendering" +mentality). + + + +-- +Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows! +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000560.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000560.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2a09f0c27 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000560.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYiXqqHNz%3DypAG%3DRRdM88NBEt_9%2BUi4MgUWM_6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000620.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000561.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimYiXqqHNz%3DypAG%3DRRdM88NBEt_9%2BUi4MgUWM_6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 10:15:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 October 2010 04:07, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by +</I>><i> default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? +</I>><i> Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! +</I> +I've packaged this extension (in contribs) a long time ago so that not +every user of a sytem has to install it in its own account. +Of course you still have to subscribe to easylist. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000561.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000561.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bcb2f9d8b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000561.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3DyVEgdg9JtF6LD5X7rE84ZSo%2Bp2Zv0Z1z-Jyb%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000560.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000564.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3DyVEgdg9JtF6LD5X7rE84ZSo%2Bp2Zv0Z1z-Jyb%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 10:44:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#561">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#561">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#561">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#561">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 1 October 2010 04:07, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by +</I>>><i> default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? +</I>>><i> Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've packaged this extension (in contribs) a long time ago so that not +</I>><i> every user of a sytem has to install it in its own account. +</I>><i> Of course you still have to subscribe to easylist. +</I> +Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's +decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by +default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. +Somebody told me to install Adblock and whatever, I did and FF became +unstable but not one second faster. +Maybe because I do not visit many sites with large ads and all that +bling-bling stuff. + +Anyhow, as a rule do not add any stuff by default that the user ought +to decide for himself, this is not Windows. We should not tell the +user what he wants to do. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#561">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#561">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#561">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#561">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000562.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000562.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..aae5be890 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000562.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285923589.5530.332.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000554.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000565.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285923589.5530.332.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 10:59:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#562">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#562">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#562">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#562">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:18 -0400, Liam R E Quin a écrit : +><i> On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 04:07 +0200, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> > While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by +</I>><i> > default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? +</I>><i> > Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Possibly, but then you don't get the ads... which, like it or not, are +</I>><i> funding an awful lot of Web sites. +</I> +I always wondered why Microsoft didn't crush Google by forcing such +settings in Internet Explorer some years ago. They could even have done +worst, downloading but not showing and ask the choice to users on +install time, and let advertisers know this fact ( which would have +rendered all statistics useless, and therefor disrupted the market in a +way that Google would no longer earn as much money ). + +Maybe I am more evil than Microsoft :( + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#562">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#562">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#562">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#562">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000563.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000563.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0c0ccb486 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000563.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%20Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010010909.o9199Aqo081289%40smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000633.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000576.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?</H1> + <B>Dick Gevers</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%20Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010010909.o9199Aqo081289%40smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?">dvgevers at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:09:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:49:34 +0000 (UTC), André Machado wrote about Re: +[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: + +><i>Think in emotive computer. Think that user starts up your computer and +</I>><i>sees a window with text: "Good morning/afternon/night username!". And in +</I>><i>another line, "You have 3 new e-mails". And on side, tue current weather +</I>><i>and, below, a list of user compromises for that day, all together the +</I>><i>hardware information and shortcuts for common tasks and diagnostic tests +</I>><i>of hardware and software, and a warning that package updates are +</I>><i>available! - yes, I had all these new ideas now! +</I> +Well, YMMV, but that is precisely the kind of computer I want to have only +as far away from me as possible: I want to be in control, I have enough +emotions at work, at home, in transport and in recreation - I want my boxen +to be tools without *any* emotion or interest in me, just let them do for +me what I choose to imagine as far as they can. No more no less. Also, it +does not have to approach the looks of a mobile phone. + +Anyway, I'll see what Mageia gives when it is there. So far she remains my +best choice still. (Compare my headers ;) + +Ciao, +=Dick Gevers= + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000564.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000564.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9b1cd17e1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000564.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFviY6Xg%3D8j71VXLruKw1fid9zEouRCaZ0NFoJ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000561.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000566.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DFviY6Xg%3D8j71VXLruKw1fid9zEouRCaZ0NFoJ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:12:15 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's +</I>><i> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by +</I>><i> default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. +</I>><i> Somebody told me to install Adblock and whatever, I did and FF became +</I>><i> unstable but not one second faster. +</I>><i> Maybe because I do not visit many sites with large ads and all that +</I>><i> bling-bling stuff. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyhow, as a rule do not add any stuff by default that the user ought +</I>><i> to decide for himself, this is not Windows. We should not tell the +</I>><i> user what he wants to do. +</I> +Then we shouldn't install neither firefox nor konqueror at all since +that's a choice that the user ought to decide for himself... +Installing the extension doesn't mean neither auto subscrubing nor +being unable to disable it +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000565.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000565.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bbc4a8e40 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000565.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dd0ggF3OtgdY8fDEs5%3DLBPonRKO3RBfH49Z%3D5K%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000562.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000613.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dd0ggF3OtgdY8fDEs5%3DLBPonRKO3RBfH49Z%3D5K%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:12:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#565">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#565">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#565">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#565">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> I always wondered why Microsoft didn't crush Google by forcing such +</I>><i> settings in Internet Explorer some years ago. They could even have done +</I>><i> worst, downloading but not showing and ask the choice to users on +</I>><i> install time, and let advertisers know this fact ( which would have +</I>><i> rendered all statistics useless, and therefor disrupted the market in a +</I>><i> way that Google would no longer earn as much money ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe I am more evil than Microsoft :( +</I> +No, I don't think so, although one never knows :) + +I think it's logical. The smaller you are the more you need to come up +with sophisticated ideas to compete with the Big Ones. Microsoft grew +too big too fast, then all they needed to compete was their sheer +force. As an elephant does not need smart escape strategies like +little animals or poison like small snakes. Imagine an elephant with a +poisonous tooth (set aside that he is a vegetarian). + +Microsoft always had a blind spot for such things, they did not +recognize the internet early enough and they did not recognize the ad +business early enough. They are nothing more than a very large but +dumb monster. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#565">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#565">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#565">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#565">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000566.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000566.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2c7b5269c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000566.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4vRRgJuWThG-aUDwM8M2DjF_BeWmv71sboC8X%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000564.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000567.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4vRRgJuWThG-aUDwM8M2DjF_BeWmv71sboC8X%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:17:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#566">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#566">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#566">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#566">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's +</I>>><i> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by +</I>>><i> default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. +</I>>><i> Somebody told me to install Adblock and whatever, I did and FF became +</I>>><i> unstable but not one second faster. +</I>>><i> Maybe because I do not visit many sites with large ads and all that +</I>>><i> bling-bling stuff. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Anyhow, as a rule do not add any stuff by default that the user ought +</I>>><i> to decide for himself, this is not Windows. We should not tell the +</I>>><i> user what he wants to do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then we shouldn't install neither firefox nor konqueror at all since +</I>><i> that's a choice that the user ought to decide for himself... +</I> +C'mon, a browser is not the same as a browser extension. Of course +there must be defaults. But installing browser extensions by default +is too much "default" IMHO. Same as with mail clients. You should set +a mail client by default but you should not add any extensions to this +client by default. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#566">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#566">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#566">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#566">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000567.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000567.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a39e30182 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000567.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4f3XyFUp5s0ZEjt1LOVc%3D7XKj9bBUTxzDop_a%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000566.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000569.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>atilla ontas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4f3XyFUp5s0ZEjt1LOVc%3D7XKj9bBUTxzDop_a%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">tarakbumba at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:28:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>>: +><i> 2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's +</I>>>><i> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by +</I>>>><i> default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. +</I>>>><i> Somebody told me to install Adblock and whatever, I did and FF became +</I>>>><i> unstable but not one second faster. +</I>>>><i> Maybe because I do not visit many sites with large ads and all that +</I>>>><i> bling-bling stuff. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Anyhow, as a rule do not add any stuff by default that the user ought +</I>>>><i> to decide for himself, this is not Windows. We should not tell the +</I>>>><i> user what he wants to do. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Then we shouldn't install neither firefox nor konqueror at all since +</I>>><i> that's a choice that the user ought to decide for himself... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> C'mon, a browser is not the same as a browser extension. Of course +</I>><i> there must be defaults. But installing browser extensions by default +</I>><i> is too much "default" IMHO. Same as with mail clients. You should set +</I>><i> a mail client by default but you should not add any extensions to this +</I>><i> client by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I>Please do not make any extension as default. Even do not paxckage +extensions. A user should decide which extension he/she uses. Also, i +don't understand why extensions packaged. Day by day extensions +updated on upstream. So, packages left behind current versions. + +Btw, i noticed that Firefox installed in +/usr/share/firefox-release-number. I don't know how buildsystem works +but when ff updated all extensions must be updated for new install +dir. Doesn't this behaviour brings extra workload? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000568.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000568.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2c44013bb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000568.html @@ -0,0 +1,105 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpZ6wdWaNwoSTbsKh4x5qRZBjmDGph0kz6jX36%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000569.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000572.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinpZ6wdWaNwoSTbsKh4x5qRZBjmDGph0kz6jX36%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:36:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#568">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#568">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#568">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#568">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 October 2010 11:17, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's +</I>>>><i> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by +</I>>>><i> default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. +</I>>>><i> Somebody told me to install Adblock and whatever, I did and FF became +</I>>>><i> unstable but not one second faster. +</I>>>><i> Maybe because I do not visit many sites with large ads and all that +</I>>>><i> bling-bling stuff. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Anyhow, as a rule do not add any stuff by default that the user ought +</I>>>><i> to decide for himself, this is not Windows. We should not tell the +</I>>>><i> user what he wants to do. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Then we shouldn't install neither firefox nor konqueror at all since +</I>>><i> that's a choice that the user ought to decide for himself... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> C'mon, a browser is not the same as a browser extension. Of course +</I>><i> there must be defaults. But installing browser extensions by default +</I>><i> is too much "default" IMHO. Same as with mail clients. You should set +</I>><i> a mail client by default but you should not add any extensions to this +</I>><i> client by default. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +Usually the more the extensions you have the +heavier/more-ram/more-startup-time firefox gets (and the last time I +used AdBlock Plus, about 10 months ago, it leaked memory...). Also +it's not useful all over, I think I can do without it if I have +noscript installed, (now what would you say if noscript is installed +by default?). + +IMHO, I think no extra extensions should be installed by default, the +user should make a choice of which ones he wants (and installing any +extensions by default without the "user's consent" isn't ideal too, if +it's going to impact the performance of Firefox). + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#568">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#568">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#568">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#568">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000569.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000569.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a345eb037 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000569.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285926478.5530.390.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000567.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000568.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C1285926478.5530.390.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:47:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#569">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#569">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#569">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#569">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 12:28 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : + +><i> Please do not make any extension as default. Even do not paxckage +</I>><i> extensions. A user should decide which extension he/she uses. Also, i +</I>><i> don't understand why extensions packaged. Day by day extensions +</I>><i> updated on upstream. So, packages left behind current versions. +</I> +Well, they are packaged for the same reason that others rpms : +- unified installation with others packages, + - can be automated ( ie, if I have 200 computers, do I really update +each of them by hand ? ) + - unified interface, ie, no need to search on 3 or 4 differents +websites or software + - installed systemwide and updated system wide +- ability to know the version, and to ensure a know good version is used +- checked by packagers ( ie, it should work with the distro browser ) + +If "there is update on upstream" is sufficient to not package something, +then we shouldn't package anything ... + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#569">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#569">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#569">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#569">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000570.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000570.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2abbd1dd5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000570.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84ar4%245o9%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000549.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000571.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84ar4%245o9%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:49:23 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#570">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#570">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#570">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#570">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have +</I>><i> to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational +</I>><i> group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups +</I>><i> available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young +</I>><i> Family". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Note that in the past (at least about 10 years ago), RedHat CD's had +</I>><i> many selectable installation groups, many of which overlapped. So using +</I>><i> this approach, there could be groups called "Educational", "Young +</I>><i> Family", and "Home Office", for example, all containing the +</I>><i> go-openoffice office suite, among other applications. +</I>><i> I believe that the current Mandriva DVD doesn't have any overlap between +</I>><i> installation groups. +</I>><i> +</I> +><i> - André (andre999) +</I>><i> +</I> +I like this approach. When I have helped people with their install of +Mandriva, once we get to the choice of applications, I usually tell them +to choose the 3rd choice and go to the package selection. If we could +add a specific choice of "Education Workstation" then this would be +enough to satisfy most users installing for the first time. We could +then focus on education specific softs in this category. (I have +noticed, BTW, that most, if not all, users will ask to include the "Game +Workstation" in their installation.) + +There should, in fact, be an "Education" focussed marketing group inside +the larger Mageia marketing group. + +It has long been known that if you can market to the younger kids, they +will most likely continue with what they were used to use later on in +life. Apple has followed this principle quite well, music companies +follow this principle quite well (Yamaha Corp.) for schools. This gives +them a marketing edge and a good slice of the consumer end of things. +Imagine if Mageia could corner 1-2% of consumer acceptance of its +product. That would be quite a feat in itself. + +In fact, I use this principle at work where I used years ago +Mandriva2007 for a lab. I was told that linux was not welcomed in our +school board. So I created a lab with Mandriva 2007 disguised as Windows +machines (themes, icons, etc). Students and staff used the "extra lab" +and even the "special education" teachers used it to teach students with +learning disabilities. No one ever complained of the lab and at year end +I told the staff and students that it was a linux lab. I got more +requests that year to install linux on home boxes that I could imagine. + +Since then, linux has been part of my school's student history, with my +helping install home installations for free (help) and doing remote +maintenance/service if they need help. I have approx. 150 students using +OpenOffice and roughly 40-50 students using Mandriva at home. + +Marc + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#570">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#570">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#570">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#570">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000571.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000571.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b09f0e5cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000571.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DnYLx7i2YHudLv%3DnPnQp-QqOiJ%3DWGKeHFaYuSK%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000570.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000574.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DnYLx7i2YHudLv%3DnPnQp-QqOiJ%3DWGKeHFaYuSK%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:56:47 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#571">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#571">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#571">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#571">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +>><i> Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have +</I>>><i> to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational +</I>>><i> group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups +</I>>><i> available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young +</I>>><i> Family". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Note that in the past (at least about 10 years ago), RedHat CD's had +</I>>><i> many selectable installation groups, many of which overlapped. So using +</I>>><i> this approach, there could be groups called "Educational", "Young +</I>>><i> Family", and "Home Office", for example, all containing the +</I>>><i> go-openoffice office suite, among other applications. +</I>>><i> I believe that the current Mandriva DVD doesn't have any overlap between +</I>>><i> installation groups. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I like this approach. +</I> +Same here. When I used SuSE Linux 4.4.1 they had the same approach. I +even did several installations, each with a different set of +applications, using the same /home. A good way to find out what you +really want/need. + +Marc, what you wrote about kids being the future is common knowledge, +I wonder that so many companies do not recognize that. Microsoft does, +they are sponsoring school computer networks and internet access, thus +creating their future client base. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#571">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#571">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#571">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#571">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000572.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000572.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3303fe7ca --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000572.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84bna%248t3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000568.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000530.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84bna%248t3%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 12:04:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> +</I>><i> Usually the more the extensions you have the +</I>><i> heavier/more-ram/more-startup-time firefox gets (and the last time I +</I>><i> used AdBlock Plus, about 10 months ago, it leaked memory...). Also +</I>><i> it's not useful all over, I think I can do without it if I have +</I>><i> noscript installed, (now what would you say if noscript is installed +</I>><i> by default?). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMHO, I think no extra extensions should be installed by default, the +</I>><i> user should make a choice of which ones he wants (and installing any +</I>><i> extensions by default without the "user's consent" isn't ideal too, if +</I>><i> it's going to impact the performance of Firefox). +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree, I think the user should be in charge of the extensions. How +many of us have heard people say that "Hey, I never installed the Yahoo! +bar!" or "Hey, I never installed Safari!". Users are knowledgeable +enough to make up their own mind on extensions. Browser use is generally +a user specific preference. + +If Mageia is going to focus more on being a good KDE distro, then it +should go along with the defaults with KDE -- Kmail/Konqueror. But, if +Mageia is to decide on a "flagship" choice of browser, I think that most +computer users these days know of Firefox and this would be a good/safe +choice to use as a Mageia endorsed/default browser, but without any +extensions pre-installed. + +The user can tailor his preferences later on depending on his/her +browser choice. + + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000573.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000573.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..42598bc74 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000573.html @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012206.42889.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000575.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000590.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012206.42889.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 11:06:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Friday 01 Oct 2010 20:37:52 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +</I>><i> >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new +</I>><i> >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no +</I>><i> >> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know +</I>><i> >> anything about computers. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Nonsense, It's interesting I know quite a few German families here in NZ, +</I>><i> > perhaps that's why they migrated, so the wife could make the majority of +</I>><i> > the purchasing decisions. ;) I'm afraid that your impressions fly in +</I>><i> > the face of all the real marketing intelligence. Dad or kids buy the +</I>><i> > computers because Mum has been left out of the demographic, typical +</I>><i> > given the number of women in the industry, but target that demographic +</I>><i> > and Mum becomes decision maker. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know about marketing, I've just been living here for decades +</I>><i> and been helping in the computer field for more than 15 years. I hold +</I>><i> computer courses entry level, I give advice with computer purchases in +</I>><i> families, etc. All my practical experience tells me what I've written +</I>><i> here. +</I> +OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. Probably +in the same geographic area. It's a pretty good guess that you have probably +no more than three degrees of separation to maybe 90% of the people you +interact with. 90+% of the people that you interact with speak the same +native tongue as you, so already your view of the world is extremely limited. + +So lets talk hypothetically: If you have taught for 15 years and you had an +average class size of say 20. 5 periods a day that's a hundred faces a day +and you saw these people once a week and assuming a 40 week school year. +That's 20,000 a year.... hang on not enough, OK you change completely 4 times +a year, so that's 80.000 a year... wow that's a lot, over 15 years that's +1.2million people you could have hypothetically interacted with each for about +ten hours total. However in marketing terms on a global scale that is a +pinprick sample. Marketers get information for instance, just from rewards +programmes that do that sort of sample in many countries in any one hour of +any one day across many demographics, ages, income streams, locations and so +on and what this tells us is that apart from some minor local differences, +people in western democratic, first world countries behave in a very similar +fashion. + +><i> +</I>><i> > Every place is unique, but not as unique as we'd all like to believe, one +</I>><i> > thing that marketing tells you. A good example is Micky Ds, the same +</I>><i> > everywhere, with slight local variations. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nonsense (to use the same language as you do). You can't apply some +</I>><i> junkfood chain success story to computers and software. +</I> +LOL, in fact you can, at the end of the day it is a consumer item. It is a +luxury good that only a small proportion of the worlds population can afford. +In capitalist consumer model societies the market has little variation apart +from local fashion. So for instance, like McDs, Ipods and Iphones are sold +the same way world wide and that is matched with other global brands. + +><i> +</I>><i> As I said, I disagree with your points not because I am another +</I>><i> marketing guy but because of experience. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I> +As I pointed out above your experience is in fact limited, that's not a bad +thing, it means you can target those variations that the global brands ignore +in a local market. However our need is to be a global brand and so we target +demographics that we know exist every where. So for instance: Parents +everywhere, no matter what country or society, want the best for their Kids... +simple really. + +Cheers +GL + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000574.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000574.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..68e8ff2ee --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000574.html @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84cif%24deh%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000571.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000550.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84cif%24deh%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 12:18:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#574">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#574">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#574">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#574">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-01 05:56, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/1 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>>><i> Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have +</I>>>><i> to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational +</I>>>><i> group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups +</I>>>><i> available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young +</I>>>><i> Family". +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Note that in the past (at least about 10 years ago), RedHat CD's had +</I>>>><i> many selectable installation groups, many of which overlapped. So using +</I>>>><i> this approach, there could be groups called "Educational", "Young +</I>>>><i> Family", and "Home Office", for example, all containing the +</I>>>><i> go-openoffice office suite, among other applications. +</I>>>><i> I believe that the current Mandriva DVD doesn't have any overlap between +</I>>>><i> installation groups. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> - André (andre999) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I like this approach. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Same here. When I used SuSE Linux 4.4.1 they had the same approach. I +</I>><i> even did several installations, each with a different set of +</I>><i> applications, using the same /home. A good way to find out what you +</I>><i> really want/need. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc, what you wrote about kids being the future is common knowledge, +</I>><i> I wonder that so many companies do not recognize that. Microsoft does, +</I>><i> they are sponsoring school computer networks and internet access, thus +</I>><i> creating their future client base. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +Suse Linux really lost momentum when Novell didn't/has not recognized +that its netware application days are at an end. If they pushed for a +Suse educational netware application/distro, most school boards using +the Novel netware apps would migrate this way. Fewer disruptions to +their systems. School boards plan 5-10 years in advance for changes and +it is extremely difficult for them to change in the middle of planned +migration. There is a lot of money involved in this. Most board will pay +Microsoft approx. $30-50/seat for use of MSWord -- so for example our +board has over 10,000 computers. That is a huge cost just for the use of +a Wordprocessor. I don't know the cost of the Novell install/contract +but it would most likely approach this amount. + +If Mageia had educational partners on-board it would be a huge initial +plus to the distro. School boards are, in a traditional sense, expected +to spend money and not save/make money. We could, for example, offer to +tailor certain aspects of the distro for our education partners. Note +that the focus on educational institutions is for foster use of +knowledge, so they would most likely be interested in areas of a distro +that focussed on kids/adult learning needs. If Mageia did this well, +then this could then lead to more educational partners coming on board. +We would only need 2-5 educational partners to kick-start this approach. +I would suggest to try for 1 educational partner per continent. It would +then mushroom from there. + +Unfortunately, not having a Mageia server service may hurt us. But there +is nothing to stop us from partnering or tooling up our community distro +to work well with a server (in this case I would go for RedHat servers). + +There is no doubt that the next major expenses in the very near future +for school boards is the change in netware applications. And they are +still very confused. What they do know is that it will most likely be a +linux solution. 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If you're going to the market with a global brand then limited local +experience doesn't tell us a lot but global research does tell us a hell of a +lot. + +><i> +</I>><i> > I don't know about marketing, I've just been living here for decades +</I>><i> > and been helping in the computer field for more than 15 years. I hold +</I>><i> > computer courses entry level, I give advice with computer purchases in +</I>><i> > families, etc. All my practical experience tells me what I've written +</I>><i> > here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have to fully agree with Wolfgang. The mother-centrated family model may +</I>><i> be true in the amer-austra-new-zealandian world (at least the soap operas +</I>><i> on TV tell this) but I'm quite sure that in more conservative europe the +</I>><i> story is quite different. +</I> +Conservative Europe is not the market I'm talking about, I'm talking about +young professional parents world wide + +><i> And: kids want their 3D-splash-them-all-games. Kids won't switch to Linux +</I>><i> as long as the games industry doesn't change. +</I> +There are plenty of games on linux, but the point is that the computer isn't +bought by the Kids it's bought *for* them. Games come later and I show people +the games that are on the OpenSUSE repos and they're after them and those are +only the gratis ones. + +><i> Moms usually will work with what they know, every change is a problem, +</I>><i> since it's different from what they are used to and they have to learn +</I>><i> anew. +</I> +Excuse me if I sound a little frustrated here but you could make that argument +for any demographic, that's what marketing is about, leading people to change. +If people never changed then you wouldn't need marketing, we would all the use +the same thing forever. Mageia would still be Mandriva, Connectiva and +Mandrake would be separate, there would be no need for desktop linux..... and +come to think of it I wouldn't have a job.... given that change management is +often part of my job description. :) + +Young families are in a demographic that embraces change if they can see that +there is value in it for them or their family, they do it every day in myriad +ways. + +><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I> +Cheers +GL + + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#575">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#575">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#575">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#575">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000576.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000576.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f1a3f6756 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000576.html @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%09Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84dgm%24hic%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000563.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000577.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%20create%20a%20Mageia%20Welcome%0A%09Center%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84dgm%24hic%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 12:35:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#576">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#576">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#576">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#576">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Re: Survey + +Any distro who does not know the user usage is working in the dark. +Mageia should (just like Mandriva) have a quick initial questionnaire +offering an account to its registering service. This is necessary for +marketing purposes and for planning purposes. There would be nothing +worse that to work without knowing how many people are using your distro +and for what reasons. Users are used to agreeing to EULA's (user +agreements) and, yes, in general they do blindly agree to them. But, if +they agree to the same on Mageia and it was used to keep stats on the +number of installations in use then that would be great. + +This would, of course, have to be done only once at the initial +installation (or even distro Update). I think most users would +understand the need for this. Mageia should also make it clear that +there is no storing of personal data being done at this step. + +Mageia could offer and promote the use of their forums somewhere else +once the distro is installed and working just as a piece of information. +It could be made in such a way as to make the user feel like they are +now owner of a community driven distro and that in being an owner, they +now have a voice in its development and direction. 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I found +it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a +serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have +no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow +this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future. + +As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools, +however Mandriva tools have some issues : +- they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think +that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages. +However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the +Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could +help a little. + +- Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except +PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external +contributions : They notably lack visibility. + +I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an +efficient way. + +Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss : + +1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +have a Mandriva account ) + +2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we +should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with +system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten ( +python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier +than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do +this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some +Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues : +python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva +infrastructure + +3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager + +4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will +have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par +with the competition : +- Ubuntu software center : +<A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A> +, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> , +<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A> +- iTunes App Store : +<A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A> +, <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A> +- Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction : +<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> + +So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to +packagekit with and urpmi backend. + +5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the +LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to +contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to +improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could +be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments. + +Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion +about the people we should target. Here are some interesting +reflexions : +Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A> +fedoraproject.org redesign update : +<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A> +You must be this tall to ride: __ : +<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/</A> + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#577">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#577">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#577">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#577">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000578.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000578.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f1f83f1f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000578.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Cm34od6rxq5.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000577.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000585.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Cm34od6rxq5.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 12:52:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> writes: + +><i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +</I>><i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +</I>><i> have a Mandriva account ) +</I> +Why host them externally? +A self-hosted "forge" is probably better. + +But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, +because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push +incremental patchsets. + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000579.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000579.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..163ff4427 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000579.html @@ -0,0 +1,203 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84eqs%24naa%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000603.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000580.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84eqs%24naa%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 12:57:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-01 06:38, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : +><i> I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found +</I>><i> it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a +</I>><i> serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have +</I>><i> no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow +</I>><i> this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools, +</I>><i> however Mandriva tools have some issues : +</I>><i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think +</I>><i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages. +</I>><i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the +</I>><i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could +</I>><i> help a little. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except +</I>><i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external +</I>><i> contributions : They notably lack visibility. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an +</I>><i> efficient way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +</I>><i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +</I>><i> have a Mandriva account ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we +</I>><i> should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with +</I>><i> system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten ( +</I>><i> python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier +</I>><i> than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do +</I>><i> this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some +</I>><i> Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues : +</I>><i> python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva +</I>><i> infrastructure +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will +</I>><i> have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par +</I>><i> with the competition : +</I>><i> - Ubuntu software center : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> , +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A> +</I>><i> - iTunes App Store : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A> +</I>><i> - Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to +</I>><i> packagekit with and urpmi backend. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the +</I>><i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to +</I>><i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to +</I>><i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could +</I>><i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion +</I>><i> about the people we should target. Here are some interesting +</I>><i> reflexions : +</I>><i> Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A> +</I>><i> fedoraproject.org redesign update : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A> +</I>><i> You must be this tall to ride: __ : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks for your observations Fabrice. + +Just speaking from the "user" point of view. Let us not lose sight that +one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC. +Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what +really distinguishes Mandriva from the other distros. Practically in all +of the news items that I have read of Mandriva, they mention the +powerful tools at the users' disposal to help in configure/maintain the +Mandriva distro, and this type of comment has been going on for years. + +I hope that Mageia would not stray from this tool. Whichever way the +devs decide to programme the tools from the back-en does not matter to +the user. How easily it is to configure/maintain the distro is what +counts to the user and it is quite a strong selling point. + +When I help out people with their Mandriva setup and I tell them to go +to their MCC (if they are not familiar with it, I usually say "You know, +the blue sceen and red wrench thingy at the bottom of your monitor.", +they are confortable in using it. + +The only thing that I find lacking for the MCC is the lack of immediate +help. If a user has never used a section of MCC, they will normally +abandon the use of that section. But if there were a help button that +would explain, in a graphic way (either video or by slide show) the use +of that section, then that would go a long way in helping out. + +I sincerely hope that the MCC (Mageia Contol Centre) will not be abandoned. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000580.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000580.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4a7388933 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000580.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010011259530.15309-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000579.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000582.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010011259530.15309-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:03:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Marc Paré wrote: + +><i> Just speaking from the "user" point of view. Let us not lose sight that +</I>><i> one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC. +</I>><i> Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what +</I>><i> really distinguishes Mandriva from the other distros. Practically in all +</I>><i> of the news items that I have read of Mandriva, they mention the +</I>><i> powerful tools at the users' disposal to help in configure/maintain the +</I>><i> Mandriva distro, and this type of comment has been going on for years. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I hope that Mageia would not stray from this tool. Whichever way the +</I>><i> devs decide to programme the tools from the back-en does not matter to +</I>><i> the user. How easily it is to configure/maintain the distro is what +</I>><i> counts to the user and it is quite a strong selling point. +</I> +100% agree, let's not destroy one of the most outstanding unique selling +points of Mandriva/Mageia, the MCC. + +Don't fix what ain't broken, let's concentrate on improving it but +certainly not on replacing it. + +Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs. +deb thread... + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000581.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000581.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..20c47a8a4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000581.html @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%09%3D%3Fkoi8-r%3Fb%3FQWJvdXQgTWFuZHJpdmEgdG9vbHMgZnV0dXJlIDog%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Fkoi8-r%3Fb%3FSG9zdCBNYW5kcml2YSB0b29scyBvbiBnaXRodWI%3D%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CE1P1dUQ-0000C4-00.arvidjaar-mail-ru%40f242.mail.ru%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000593.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000626.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Andrey Borzenkov</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%0A%09%3D%3Fkoi8-r%3Fb%3FQWJvdXQgTWFuZHJpdmEgdG9vbHMgZnV0dXJlIDog%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Fkoi8-r%3Fb%3FSG9zdCBNYW5kcml2YSB0b29scyBvbiBnaXRodWI%3D%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CE1P1dUQ-0000C4-00.arvidjaar-mail-ru%40f242.mail.ru%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">arvidjaar at mail.ru + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:09:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#581">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#581">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#581">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#581">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:38:31 +0200 письмо от Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>>: + +><i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager +</I> +I do not see why they should exclude each other. network-scripts/NM +coexist in Fedora; Fedora ifup will request NM to start interface +if required; if NM is not up it will do it itself. + +That is exactly what I'd love to see in the long run here. + +The real decision to be made is about network configuration files +future. Currently they diverged far too far from what Fedora is using +without offering any significant added value(I stay corrected; blino +probably can say more here). Unification with Fedora initscripts would +allow to reuse their infrastructure and seamlessly integrate NM. + +And of course we seem to be the only distribution to require +network start before D-Bus. That needs to be decided upon as you cannot +start NM without D-Bus but if NM is providing service we cannot +start D-Bus without it ... + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#581">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#581">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#581">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#581">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000582.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000582.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fda967d37 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000582.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84fm5%24q2l%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000580.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000583.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84fm5%24q2l%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:12:05 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#582">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#582">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#582">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#582">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> +</I>><i> Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs. +</I>><i> deb thread... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same +arguments will be restated again because people can not browse back to +the previous arguments. In a lot of cases, "Déjà vu" could almost be +called the alias of "Mailist". LOL + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#582">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#582">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#582">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#582">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000583.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000583.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..708843c22 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000583.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2uqxiQDtwrjxAobwLoS6d9h4nbCQwGTqJVkBB%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000582.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000584.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D2uqxiQDtwrjxAobwLoS6d9h4nbCQwGTqJVkBB%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:15:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs. +</I>>><i> deb thread... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same arguments +</I>><i> will be restated again because people can not browse back to the previous +</I>><i> arguments. In a lot of cases, "Déjà vu" could almost be called the alias of +</I>><i> "Mailist". LOL +</I> +this is not rpm vs deb or synaptic vs smart vs rpmdrake. + +This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the +Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes +buggy. +The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we +should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to +make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another +GUI. + + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000584.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000584.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..edb47bdd4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000584.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010011318390.15309-100000%40outpost-priv%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000583.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000586.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CPine.LNX.4.44.1010011318390.15309-100000%40outpost-priv%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:23:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: + +><i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the +</I>><i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes +</I>><i> buggy. +</I>><i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we +</I>><i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to +</I>><i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another +</I>><i> GUI. +</I> +Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools. + +If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them +with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort +and/or step backwards just for the estetics. + +Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. + +P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many +people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000585.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000585.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7d24c6b81 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000585.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C1285932589.5530.531.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000578.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000592.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C1285932589.5530.531.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:29:49 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#585">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#585">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#585">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#585">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 12:52 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit : +><i> Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +</I>><i> > fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +</I>><i> > have a Mandriva account ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why host them externally? +</I>><i> A self-hosted "forge" is probably better. +</I> +Yup, and I can only add a link +<A HREF="http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html">http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html</A> + +><i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, +</I>><i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push +</I>><i> incremental patchsets. +</I> +I would be in favor of 1 git repository for 1 software, even if I didn't +see people complaining that svn prevented them to provides patches :) + +On the infrastructure side, it was also proposed to look at gitorious +for this. Is it packaged in mandriva ? ( if not, maybe that would be a +good way to help ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#585">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#585">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#585">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#585">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000586.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000586.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..751d4d268 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000586.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84gqd%24af%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000584.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000587.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84gqd%24af%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:31:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#586">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#586">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#586">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#586">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-01 07:23, Tux99 a écrit : +><i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the +</I>>><i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes +</I>>><i> buggy. +</I>>><i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we +</I>>><i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to +</I>>><i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another +</I>>><i> GUI. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them +</I>><i> with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort +</I>><i> and/or step backwards just for the estetics. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many +</I>><i> people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the +dev side. + +The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#586">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#586">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#586">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#586">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000587.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000587.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a5fdf87ec --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000587.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84h5l%24af%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000586.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000588.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci84h5l%24af%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 13:37:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#587">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#587">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#587">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#587">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +>><i> +</I>>><i> P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many +</I>>><i> people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the +</I>><i> dev side. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Oops again, I thought I was responding on the dev mailist side. How +funny is that? + +Marc + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#587">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#587">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#587">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#587">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000588.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000588.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2b3c6ebb2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000588.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikVOq_6Vado94pZzXjCCM2WBRgwWeghaY8kj6L6%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000587.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000594.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikVOq_6Vado94pZzXjCCM2WBRgwWeghaY8kj6L6%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 14:11:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#588">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#588">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#588">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#588">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. +</I> +Of course, but we must not be "closed minds". Yes, maybe from the +developers POV or from advanced user POV or some "geek" POV, the +appearance isn't too important. + +But common people (and my self) like "pretty things". Even when the +eye-candy isn't related with if distro "works fine", why we should be +ugly? Why can't we have pretty tools that looks and works nice? You +think that MacOS is the "coolest" OS just because it's unix or because +it works fine? No. People (the common people like some one's sister) +love it because it's beautiful, looks great and they can tell friends +"look at my screen... nice! I'm cool because I have a Mac!" + +If the only important thing is being unix and working fine, why Mac +users don't use Solaris? + +Since I'm with Linux / Mandriva I remember talks about how slow is +Perl and how slow are MDV tools and why not to use some better +programing language (I think someone said "C" once?). So, if someone +says "we must change something to be better", please, don't say "NO" +in the beginning without any chance. + +IMHO that we're in a special moment. A moment where we must look the +brightside of the situation: we're starting. This is the moment when +we must think and evaluate in the most crazy ideas, the most radical +ideas. + +Because once you started to roll, changes must be made one bit at the +time. But if we didn't start, we can say "this isn't useful anymore; +let's change it / rewrite it / leave it forever". + +We're forking MDV, yes. But MDV shouldn't be seen as some kind of +"sanctuary" where "things can't be touched" (not even the "holly" +MCC). Personally, I joined Mageia because I believe we can make things +better than Mandriva did. I won't look to the past. I want to look to +the future. 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I responded to a post by +Graham Lauder, and it ended up going to him but not the ML. He then +responded to me privately, and we both agreed to repost to the ML. +According to the gmane archives, he did, but I never received his +repost, so I can't place my reply in the correct branch of the thread. +I'll post it here, just so that it's *somewhere* in the thread... + +Graham Lauder wrote: +><i> 42 for me, I started with NCR in August of 1968 and went on to be MD of my own +</I>><i> company for eighteen years, these days retired on my little country estate, +</I>><i> wonderful lifestyle, bloody awful internet connection. :) +</I>><i> +</I>Congrats, we're both old farts :-) +><i> And this is not economics this is Marketing 101 +</I>><i> +</I> +No, sorry, it's not marketing when you frame it as you did: + +><i> We do this because at the end of the day infrastructure costs, marketing +</I>><i> > costs, a whole pile of things cost. One day some patch or application, which +</I>><i> > is essential but completely non-sexy could require us to pay a dev on contract +</I>><i> > and so on and so forth. +</I> +That's economics, pure and simple. Marketing is trying to make +something attractive to potential purchasers. A distro doesn't have any +of those. + +><i> +</I>>><i> You make my point exactly. The infrastructure costs are fixed, and the +</I>>><i> donor pool will be larger if the user base is larger. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> [....] If MDV had trumpeted itself as a KDE-only Family (or Education, +</I>>><i> or whatever) distro, and reinforced that by excluding packages and +</I>>><i> infrastructure support for other stuff, I wouldn't have given a dime. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> And you miss my point entirely, there is NO trumpeting, that's advertising, +</I>><i> there is no exclusion, rather inclusion of a missed market +</I>><i> +</I> +Oh, come on. Trumpeting and advertising are essentially the same thing, +at last in the context of this discussion. And what you're advocating +is certainly exclusion; you're saying that we should design and promote +the distro as a <fill-in-the-blank> distro in order to capture the +mindset of a specific market share, to the implicit exclusion of other +aims if resource limitations encroach. +><i> I'm a marketing guy not a hacker and I haven't been part of the marketing of +</I>><i> OBS, but I seem to remember that OBS packages for a whole heap of distros +</I>><i> including even deb based ones. However I may be wrong talk to Jos Poortvliet +</I>><i> or Andreas Jaeger on the opensuse lists +</I>><i> +</I> +OK, then maybe we need to look at piggybacking on OBS. The idea I +floated was an idea, with a suggestion of an implementation. If there's +a better implementation, that's fine; we can use it. + +>><i> "Focus" is all about excluding "non-essential" activities so that a +</I>>><i> company can focus its limited resources on the desires of a specific +</I>>><i> market. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Focus in this case is about establishing branding, nothing else +</I>><i> +</I> +You're entitled to your definition, as I am mine. In common parlance +(as well as in this industry) "focus" (as used by non-developers) very +definitely implied "concentrate on this and not that". That not +branding; it's triage and prioritization. + +><i> I am wondering why you are trying to convince me, this is not my decision, I +</I>><i> am merely an idea generator. I give reasons as to why I believe that this +</I>><i> target market is a good one and I foster debate. My goal is simply to +</I>><i> establish criteria for branding, nothing else right now. +</I>><i> +</I> +I'm not sure how seriously to take this. You post an opinion about +channeling the distro to a specific audience, and when I respond, you +wonder why I'm trying to convince *you* ? Frankly, I doubt if I *could* +convince you, and it was never my intention to try. I know an +enthusiast when I read one. I'm simply participating in the debate you +initiated and want to foster. Which includes the issue of whether we +need branding at the distro level or not. + +My opinion is that we do not. Our infrastructure costs will be +relatively fixed, and will be dwarfed by the cost of developer and other +contributor time it will take to maintain Mageia. The community +resources we will discourage by advertising ourselves as a niche distro +will cost us much more than the infrastructure budget. So, while I +would concede that your branding argument would make sense if we were +embarking on a commercial venture, I'd have to say that it is pretty low +on the priority list for a community distro. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#590">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#590">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#590">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#590">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000591.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000591.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..69849b2f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000591.html @@ -0,0 +1,152 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_FKS%2B-UympOtwbJkkOj3bT5k6QnDoZZJWQ2ta%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000611.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000535.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Frederic Janssens</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim_FKS%2B-UympOtwbJkkOj3bT5k6QnDoZZJWQ2ta%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">fjanss at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 15:01:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 00:43, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> Yup, the distro that make you become expert, something like that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One thing we must not forget is that we need people that contribute if +</I>><i> we want to survive. A commercial distribution requires money ( and +</I>><i> therefore users that can bring money , either directly, or either +</I>><i> indirectly ( service, ads, etc )) to survive. We are not a commercial +</I>><i> distribution, so the pressure is lower with regard to money. But we +</I>><i> still to have people that develop it, and if we cannot pay people for +</I>><i> that directly ( since we are not a company, even if maybe some companies +</I>><i> will help us later ), we need to directly use contributions as a way to +</I>><i> ensure our own sustainability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering +</I>><i> contributions should be one of our goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The second point is that we are here because we want community +</I>><i> empowerment. So community also must be a strong point, especially since +</I>><i> it will appeal to people that would allow the community to survive. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So again, I think that empowerment should be another one of the goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, we must ask ourself "what is pushing people to contribute". +</I>><i> There is various papers, like this one +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033">http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1113/1033</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ( I let the analysis as a exercise for the moment ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And we need to find a way to combine this with others goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While a traditional motivation in free software is to solve our own +</I>><i> problem ( and that's also part of community empowerment ), this is not +</I>><i> enough. We also need to think to more than us. And I think that's the +</I>><i> complex part. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We have 2 choices. Either we try to find a market where no one went, or +</I>><i> a market where someone went, and try to be better. Or maybe both. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Michael Scherer +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree. +</I> +One way towards that goal is something I thought about since some years : +lessen the divide between the GUI and CLI approach to computers, and OS's in +particular. And thus between the 'user' and the 'geek' cultures (even if +geeks are users too). + +In particular : that the GUI tools, for example the GUI draktools, provide a +link (button) to a short explanation of how they do what they do. For +example : what are the configuration files that are changed, and how. + +It could be seen as an extension of what is possible with an icon of the +Panel : a right-click gets you to see what it does : the command is visible. + +When I was teaching an introduction to OS's, I used Mandr/ake/iva this way +for +people mainly familiar with Windows : the GUI functions are similar, even if +different, but you can have a 'readable text' access to what really happens. + +At first I just told them which configuration files where concerned. Later I +wrote some simple perl scripts using fileschanged ( +<A HREF="http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/">http://fileschanged.sourceforge.net/</A>) +to let them find it themselves. But there were many limitations : for +instance KDE configurations are not writen to file directly. + +Anyway it would be much more helpful if it is incorporated in the GUI tool +itself (eventually as an option). +It would encourage progressive exploration of the underlying workings. +For anybody, but evidently exploratory behavior is more prevalent in younger +people. + +Viewed with some optimism, if this approach is extended, it could lead to an +experience similar to that of people who came to programming through contact +with the early 8 bit microcomputers. (Many people lament the disapearence of +that path of access). + +><i>From the 'magic' point of view it would point to : Magea : the School of +</I>Magic + +-- + +Frederic +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101001/efccb7f2/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000592.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000592.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..625424792 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000592.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTima2eyu2QghTqT4-pcs1%2Bg9699wf3eWgg%3DpofK5%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think +</I>><i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages. +</I> +That's your point of view. Every programmer will have its own POV. +Thus this is a void argument. + +I think an higher language makes the entry barrier smaller for new programmers: +- real algorithms are not in hidden/drown malloc/free spagetti +- no memory bugs +- no security issues b/c of poorly thinked/coded memory management + +What's more, with ugtk2 & mygtk2 it's easy to express a complex GUI +with a compact +& powerfull dialect which would need 10 times more code to do in C + +><i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the +</I>><i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could +</I>><i> help a little. +</I> +More doc would be better indeed. + +><i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except +</I>><i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external +</I>><i> contributions : They notably lack visibility. +</I> +void argument: SUSE tools (yast, ...) are only used on SUSE, and the like + +><i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an +</I>><i> efficient way. +</I> +In the hand, some users will think about us as just as rh or debian, +just packaged by themselves. +We would just remove what makes us different, loosing users. + +><i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the +</I>><i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to +</I>><i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to +</I>><i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could +</I>><i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments. +</I> +Indeed. People can start by looking at existing bug reports and dig in code. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#593">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#593">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#593">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#593">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000594.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000594.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cd9a3c258 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000594.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimDzdEPvBeyedRUJDGUkj%3DyuVwMkb3PXBjVBcKy%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000588.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000596.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimDzdEPvBeyedRUJDGUkj%3DyuVwMkb3PXBjVBcKy%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 15:15:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#594">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#594">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#594">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#594">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the +</I>>><i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes +</I>>><i> buggy. +</I>>><i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we +</I>>><i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to +</I>>><i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another +</I>>><i> GUI. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools. +</I> +there's many things wrong. Just try Wndows 7 or Windows 2008 R2 tools +<A HREF="http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/themes">http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/themes</A> +<A HREF="http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/29/installing-iis-7-on-windows-server-2008-or-windows-server-2008-r2/">http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/29/installing-iis-7-on-windows-server-2008-or-windows-server-2008-r2/</A> +<A HREF="http://www.verboon.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010061520h01_291.png">http://www.verboon.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010061520h01_291.png</A> +<A HREF="http://4sysops.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/windows-server-2008-r2-bpa.png">http://4sysops.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/windows-server-2008-r2-bpa.png</A> + +><i> If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them +</I>><i> with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort +</I>><i> and/or step backwards just for the estetics. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. +</I> +again you're somewhat wrong + +iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but +they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about +appearance ) and so are successful. + + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#594">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#594">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#594">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#594">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000595.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000595.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b5cb59f56 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000595.html @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C201010011520.20793.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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If you only consider one +without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not +going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it +is the product. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#596">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#596">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#596">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#596">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000597.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000597.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..936a9384a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000597.html @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikge4uB%3DN_f488%3DxMT8RpGVmG6GKo8zb6an0Uud%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000596.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000622.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikge4uB%3DN_f488%3DxMT8RpGVmG6GKo8zb6an0Uud%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 15:26:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#597">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#597">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#597">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#597">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> 2010/10/1 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> again you're somewhat wrong +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but +</I>>><i> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about +</I>>><i> appearance ) and so are successful. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Appearance is not their only reason to be successful at this time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one +</I>><i> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not +</I>><i> going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it +</I>><i> is the product. +</I> +sure, but appearance is the key point. + +Archos is a good example of what we should not do ... + +I'm still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how +people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ... + +iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support +iPhone : no standard visio, no ability to create without iTunes or +third party tools photo albums, less capable facebook integration, no +FM radio, no flash, and so on ... + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#597">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#597">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#597">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#597">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000598.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000598.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5c46bb278 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000598.html @@ -0,0 +1,115 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinoL6TUs3vvfZAGU%3DsDZ0CCP8bWK5euNoyznWB_%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000595.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000628.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Fabrice Facorat</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinoL6TUs3vvfZAGU%3DsDZ0CCP8bWK5euNoyznWB_%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 15:27:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#598">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#598">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#598">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#598">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 15:15:26, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : +</I>>><i> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but +</I>>><i> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about +</I>>><i> appearance ) and so are successful. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want an iPod or an iPhone. +</I> +so do I. But except if you are living in an isolated country, you will +noticed that most "normal/non tech" people around you want them + + +-- +Close the World, Open the Net +<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#598">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#598">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#598">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#598">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000599.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000599.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1729b4007 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000599.html @@ -0,0 +1,177 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010020130.20072.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000590.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000605.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010020130.20072.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 14:30:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#599">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#599">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#599">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#599">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 01:14:36 Frank Griffin wrote: +><i> I'm not sure what's going on with this ML. I responded to a post by +</I>><i> Graham Lauder, and it ended up going to him but not the ML. He then +</I>><i> responded to me privately, and we both agreed to repost to the ML. +</I>><i> According to the gmane archives, he did, but I never received his +</I>><i> repost, so I can't place my reply in the correct branch of the thread. +</I>><i> I'll post it here, just so that it's *somewhere* in the thread... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Graham Lauder wrote: +</I>><i> > 42 for me, I started with NCR in August of 1968 and went on to be MD of +</I>><i> > my own company for eighteen years, these days retired on my little +</I>><i> > country estate, wonderful lifestyle, bloody awful internet connection. +</I>><i> > :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Congrats, we're both old farts :-) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And this is not economics this is Marketing 101 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, sorry, it's not marketing when you frame it as you did: +</I>><i> > We do this because at the end of the day infrastructure costs, marketing +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > costs, a whole pile of things cost. One day some patch or application, +</I>><i> > > which is essential but completely non-sexy could require us to pay a +</I>><i> > > dev on contract and so on and so forth. +</I> +The context of the above was talking about how we do have a sort of a +commercial model and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it because it's +pushed things off the focus of this process, but I happened to be thinking +about it at the time, I'm a chaotic thinker so sue me.. + +><i> +</I>><i> That's economics, pure and simple. Marketing is trying to make +</I>><i> something attractive to potential purchasers. A distro doesn't have any +</I>><i> of those. +</I> +No, you're talking about advertising completely different, sure marketing +makes decisions that will affect advertising, but at this point we don't have +any desire or need to do any advertising, that's a long way off. + +><i> +</I>><i> >> You make my point exactly. The infrastructure costs are fixed, and the +</I>><i> >> donor pool will be larger if the user base is larger. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> [....] If MDV had trumpeted itself as a KDE-only Family (or Education, +</I>><i> >> or whatever) distro, and reinforced that by excluding packages and +</I>><i> >> infrastructure support for other stuff, I wouldn't have given a dime. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And you miss my point entirely, there is NO trumpeting, that's +</I>><i> > advertising, there is no exclusion, rather inclusion of a missed market +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oh, come on. Trumpeting and advertising are essentially the same thing, +</I>><i> at last in the context of this discussion. +</I> +Um, that what I said: That the trumpeting IS advertising... we're not +advertising, we are trying to figure out branding, that means trying to figure +our target markets so that we can make our branding attractive in that market. +that's marketing, not advertising + +><i> And what you're advocating +</I>><i> is certainly exclusion; you're saying that we should design and promote +</I>><i> the distro as a <fill-in-the-blank> distro in order to capture the +</I>><i> mindset of a specific market share, to the implicit exclusion of other +</I>><i> aims if resource limitations encroach. +</I> +You're reading a hell of a lot more in there than I put. You seem to be +talking at cross purposes. When I say inclusion I mean inclusion of another +market that hasn't been catered to before. You're talking about packages, +I'm talking about people. + +[....] +><i> +</I>><i> > I am wondering why you are trying to convince me, this is not my +</I>><i> > decision, I am merely an idea generator. I give reasons as to why I +</I>><i> > believe that this target market is a good one and I foster debate. My +</I>><i> > goal is simply to establish criteria for branding, nothing else right +</I>><i> > now. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm not sure how seriously to take this. You post an opinion about +</I>><i> channeling the distro to a specific audience, and when I respond, you +</I>><i> wonder why I'm trying to convince *you* ? Frankly, I doubt if I *could* +</I>><i> convince you, and it was never my intention to try. I know an +</I>><i> enthusiast when I read one. I'm simply participating in the debate you +</I>><i> initiated and want to foster. Which includes the issue of whether we +</I>><i> need branding at the distro level or not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My opinion is that we do not. Our infrastructure costs will be +</I>><i> relatively fixed, and will be dwarfed by the cost of developer and other +</I>><i> contributor time it will take to maintain Mageia. The community +</I>><i> resources we will discourage by advertising ourselves as a niche distro +</I>><i> will cost us much more than the infrastructure budget. So, while I +</I>><i> would concede that your branding argument would make sense if we were +</I>><i> embarking on a commercial venture, I'd have to say that it is pretty low +</I>><i> on the priority list for a community distro. +</I> +Now I'm convinced we're not talking about the same thing. + +You seem to think we are wanting to embark on some global advertising campaign + +And all I want is to decide what colour pallet our logo and webpage should +use. By figuring out what a primary target market is we can then figure out +the colours that will suit that demographic. That's it Simple! + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#599">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#599">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#599">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#599">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000600.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000600.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..51c960abf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000600.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3k4m2qb98.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> space waste. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#604">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#604">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#604">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#604">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000605.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000605.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4c4de83aa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000605.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA5F2C6.1090501%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000599.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000606.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA5F2C6.1090501%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 16:40:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#605">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#605">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#605">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#605">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Graham Lauder wrote: +><i> On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 01:14:36 Frank Griffin wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> And you miss my point entirely, there is NO trumpeting, that's +</I>>>><i> advertising, there is no exclusion, rather inclusion of a missed market +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Oh, come on. Trumpeting and advertising are essentially the same thing, +</I>>><i> at last in the context of this discussion. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Um, that what I said: That the trumpeting IS advertising... +</I> +Apologies for missing your meaning, but that phrase ("there is NO +trumpeting, that's advertising") can be read two different ways +depending upon what you take "that's" to be modifying, i.e. trumpeting +or what you're advocating. + + +><i> +</I>><i> You're reading a hell of a lot more in there than I put. You seem to be +</I>><i> talking at cross purposes. When I say inclusion I mean inclusion of another +</I>><i> market that hasn't been catered to before. You're talking about packages, +</I>><i> I'm talking about people. +</I>><i> +</I> +No, your original post talked about packages, to quote: + +******************************************** + +So for instance as well as the standard software, educational programmes would +be installed by default, be NetSafe (Dans Guardian), have OOo4Kids installed +as well as a full office suite, Tuxtype, TuxPaint and so on. + +Documentation added to show parents how to set up accounts for the kids and +how to make it Net safe. +**************************************** + +That is a clear recommendation to configure the distro for that target +audience. Installing a lot of kid-friendly packages implies they have +to be in the ISOs, which means that some other packages won't be. + +><i> +</I>><i> Now I'm convinced we're not talking about the same thing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You seem to think we are wanting to embark on some global advertising campaign +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And all I want is to decide what colour pallet our logo and webpage should +</I>><i> use. By figuring out what a primary target market is we can then figure out +</I>><i> the colours that will suit that demographic. That's it Simple! +</I>><i> +</I> +As I pointed out above, you advocated targeting the distribution +*itself* to a niche market. I really have no interest in what colors +the website uses; my replies were prompted because I have lots of +interest in what the distro contains. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#605">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#605">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#605">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#605">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000606.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000606.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..386a79132 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000606.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4YrKSRL7w6YMQF5tYeYgyrdSrXR1SRuyB%2BY6D%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000605.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000609.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik4YrKSRL7w6YMQF5tYeYgyrdSrXR1SRuyB%2BY6D%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 16:42:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#606">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#606">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#606">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#606">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. +</I> +Teaching IT was only the smallest part. I was involved in selling, +purchasing, advising - the whole area, not just that small marketing +section. And I talked to people all over the country, including +international events, not just one special geografic area like NZ. +Western Europe is a mix of many different areas, not just one. +So pls do not try to talk to me like you know it all. + +><i> LOL, in fact you can, at the end of the day it is a consumer item.  It is a +</I>><i> luxury good that only a small proportion of the worlds population can afford. +</I>><i> In capitalist consumer model societies the market has little variation apart +</I>><i> from local fashion. So for instance, like McDs,  Ipods and Iphones are sold +</I>><i> the same way world wide and that is matched with other global brands. +</I> +Wrong, Here it depends on which item it is who makes the decisions in +a family. Over here Mom may decide in general whethere a purchase is +made or not but concerning computers and software the kids or Dad +decide what is bought. The wife just wants to use it. + +><i> As I pointed out above your experience is in fact limited, that's not a bad +</I>><i> thing, it means you can target those variations that the global brands ignore +</I>><i> in a local market. +</I> +Same applies to you if you want to put it that way. Your sample is +really small concerning German imigrants. Why do you think they +emigrated from Germany? Because they were the typical Germans? Sounds +like "I saw a German wearing a hat, all Germans wear hats." thing. I +know some people from NZ but I would never judge all NZ by those few. + +><i> However our need is to be a global brand and so we target +</I>><i> demographics that we know exist every where.  So for instance: Parents +</I>><i> everywhere, no matter what country or society, want the best for their Kids... +</I>><i> simple really. +</I> +Simple but not related. It's related to clothing, food, whatever, not +to the technical stuff. While there is not much trouble with parents +when clothing or schooling is related, we do have an ongoing +discussion in Germany about the problem that parents do not care what +their children do with computers (ego shooters, facebook, etc.) +because the kids know more about computers. + +Anyhow, I made my points. + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#606">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#606">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#606">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#606">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000607.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000607.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..088352a63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000607.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. +</I> + I feel the same way, but from an income point of view Mageia would +probably be better off with 2 per year. + +><i> Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. +</I>><i> do we call our first release 2011.x ? +</I> + Incorporating the year number is a big help. + +-- +/\/\aurice + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#608">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#608">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#608">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#608">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000609.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000609.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ea9444dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000609.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik_-4VOgi_AwjkHEDnoJUDRhHiMsGTGvPyo%2B5aN%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000606.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000617.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Hoyt Duff</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik_-4VOgi_AwjkHEDnoJUDRhHiMsGTGvPyo%2B5aN%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">hoytduff at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 18:07:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#609">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#609">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#609">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#609">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I see that this thread has become a collection of +"No, THIS is what is meant by that word." +"Why is the list broken?" +"Allow me to re-state what I have re-stated many times" +"I like this feature, so that's what we should do." +"I am an expert, so this is what we should do." +"The problem is <some unrelated problem>." +"The fix is <some application or feature>." + +Not very productive. +Difficult to follow. +Mostly redundant. + +We can make guesses about Target Markets all we want, but it won't +amount to much without some valid market research (which none of us +has done for Mageia). + +Why is conjecture and speculation of value? Where are the facts and +numbers to support a position? Where is any kind of analysis of a +propose market? + +That is where this discussion should start. Until then, we are wasting +our time unless the entire point of all this is simply an exercise in +egocentrism. + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#609">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#609">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#609">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#609">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000610.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000610.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9bf3e0bba --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000610.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikUGT9pbFMU%2BZuibAicm1BK9ZQsCEM2tgjKkYEu%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000608.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000621.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sorteal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikUGT9pbFMU%2BZuibAicm1BK9ZQsCEM2tgjKkYEu%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 18:21:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#610">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#610">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#610">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#610">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think that from both a financial and technological point of view Mageia +should have two releases a year. With the rate at which Linux technology +increases it makes a lot of sense to have a release every 6 months. Also, I +do agree that using the year number for each release is very handy. + +-Jason A. Turner + +2010/10/1 Maurice Batey <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>> + +><i> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:51:34 +0300, atilla ontas wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>><i> > 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> > make one release in one year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I feel the same way, but from an income point of view Mageia would +</I>><i> probably be better off with 2 per year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. +</I>><i> > do we call our first release 2011.x ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Incorporating the year number is a big help. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> /\/\aurice +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101001/c90d9d83/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#610">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#610">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#610">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#610">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000611.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000611.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..83e00b8da --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000611.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1285951180.4971.123.camel%40desktop.barefootcomputing.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000559.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000591.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Liam R E Quin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C1285951180.4971.123.camel%40desktop.barefootcomputing.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">liam at holoweb.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 18:39:40 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#611">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#611">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#611">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#611">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 03:59 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote: +><i> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:43:13 -0400, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering +</I>><i> > contributions should be one of our goals. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be linux developers, +</I>><i> since they are the people who can contribute the most. It should +</I>><i> also target people who want to use the distribution used by the people +</I>><i> who are actually developing the tools. +</I> +The biggest strength of Mandriva, and the reason I use(d) it, is/was +that it targets both developers *and* people new to Linux. + +When I speak at conferences, people often ask me what operating +environment I'm using, and when I tell them, they say, "oh, should +I give it a try?" -- in most cases I can say, Yes. + +The Free Software Movement is about changing people's habits, getting +them to use Free (libre) software. So targeting Windows, Mac and +non-computer people is an important part of that. + +Best, + +Liam + +-- +Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A> +Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A> +Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#611">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#611">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#611">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#611">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000612.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000612.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2426a2f4b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000612.html @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85344%24rej%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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We could do it to +be more "democratic"? + +Cheers! + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#614">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#614">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#614">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#614">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000615.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000615.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..330232245 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000615.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C540276071-1285952071-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-904028409-%40bda2805.bisx.prod.on.blackberry%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000616.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000618.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>sorteal at gmail.com</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C540276071-1285952071-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-904028409-%40bda2805.bisx.prod.on.blackberry%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 18:54:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#615">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#615">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#615">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#615">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done by the user. Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would be a better choice. +Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® + +-----Original Message----- +From: Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>> +Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> +Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:44:54 +To: <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>> +Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>> +Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + +Liam R E Quin wrote: + +><i> Better to make AdBlock scripts easy to install (e.g. via +</I>><i> MageiaControlCentre?), and maybe include them (so no download needed) +</I>><i> but not enabled. +</I> +I'd rather have FFox add-ons to be installed as in every other platform: +through official FFox way. + +Salut, +Sinenr + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#615">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#615">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#615">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#615">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000616.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000616.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b173c0024 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000616.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA613EA.1050409%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000614.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000615.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>sorteal</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA613EA.1050409%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">sorteal at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 19:01:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#616">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#616">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#616">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#616">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> On 10/1/2010 12:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli wrote: +><i> Why not to use something like this? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to +</I>><i> be more "democratic"? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</I>><i> +</I>I like tavillo1980's idea here very much. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#616">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#616">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#616">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#616">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000617.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000617.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ad7dd8d7b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000617.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikd89H-JHgts9jUkH1UTQwwceZrZ_iLrd1v1ow-%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000609.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000619.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikd89H-JHgts9jUkH1UTQwwceZrZ_iLrd1v1ow-%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 19:12:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#617">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#617">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#617">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#617">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>><i> That is where this discussion should start. Until then, we are wasting +</I>><i> our time unless the entire point of all this is simply an exercise in +</I>><i> egocentrism. +</I> +Should be us (the whole Community whit loooooong threads and pols) who +determine which will be the target? + +Or should we leave so important decision to the future board? + +If the board will be integrated by members from every (or at least +almost) part of the Community, and they will be picked by their merits +(meritocracy), we should be calm. + +Anyway, no matter if the Community with a pol or the board decides. +Someone (maybe a few, maybe a lot) will be unhappy with the chosen +target market (and with many other decisions). + +So, my vote is to leave it to the first board. They will have a really +heavy duty. + +Cheers! + + +Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980) +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#617">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#617">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#617">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#617">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000618.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000618.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..00e572105 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000618.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimziWWi_MYEvBxsJVL9o25qKRohYOa6ppBGxE-z%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000615.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000620.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Talk%20of%20Browsers&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimziWWi_MYEvBxsJVL9o25qKRohYOa6ppBGxE-z%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 19:20:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#618">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#618">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#618">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#618">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 1 October 2010 18:54, <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sorteal at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done +</I>><i> by the user.  Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would +</I>><i> be a better choice. +</I> +That's alreay what we do for years. +We install a matching browser according to the choosen desktop. +When the user choose KDE we default to konqueror else we default to firefox +through meta-task => task-kde4 => konqueror +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#618">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#618">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#618">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#618">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000619.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000619.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8fedf4940 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000619.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA61B87.6050707%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000617.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000635.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA61B87.6050707%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 19:33:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#619">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#619">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#619">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#619">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hoyt Duff wrote: +><i> I see that this thread has become a collection of +</I>><i> "No, THIS is what is meant by that word." +</I>><i> "Why is the list broken?" +</I>><i> "Allow me to re-state what I have re-stated many times" +</I>><i> "I like this feature, so that's what we should do." +</I>><i> "I am an expert, so this is what we should do." +</I>><i> "The problem is <some unrelated problem>." +</I>><i> "The fix is <some application or feature>." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>You left me out ! 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If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done +</I>>><i> by the user. Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would +</I>>><i> be a better choice. +</I>><i> That's alreay what we do for years. +</I>><i> We install a matching browser according to the choosen desktop. +</I>><i> When the user choose KDE we default to konqueror else we default to firefox +</I>><i> through meta-task => task-kde4 => konqueror +</I>><i> +</I>Wasn't saying that anyone didn't do that. Just throwing my opinion in +the ring about addons being installed before hand. Mandriva has always +done an amazing job with implementing FF in KDE! Yet, other Linux +distributions either have a tough time with it or just simply put no +effort into adjusting FF to work better with KDE. Also, as this is not +Mandriva I didn't want to make any preconceived notions about features +or applications. Again, Mandriva has always done excellent with its +browser implementation and I have no doubt Mageia will follow suit. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#620">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#620">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#620">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#620">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000621.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000621.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..89f48c647 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000621.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012003.41211.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000610.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000623.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012003.41211.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 20:03:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#621">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#621">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#621">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#621">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>><i> space waste. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I> +What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 +months or every year. + + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#621">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#621">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#621">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#621">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000622.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000622.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a60a7f4b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000622.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85crr%24av0%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000597.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000634.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85crr%24av0%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 21:30:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#622">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#622">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#622">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#622">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Fabrice Facorat wrote: + +><i> 2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>(...) +>><i> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one +</I>>><i> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not +</I>>><i> going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it +</I>>><i> is the product. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> sure, but appearance is the key point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Archos is a good example of what we should not do ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how +</I>><i> people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support +</I>><i> iPhone : no standard visio, no ability to create without iTunes or +</I>><i> third party tools photo albums, less capable facebook integration, no +</I>><i> FM radio, no flash, and so on ... +</I> +iProducts don't have all the bullet points, all the technical specs that an +UberGeek would like. + +But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the +ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant. + +By focusing on 90% of specs and getting them to be 95% perfect, instead of +having 100% of specs and getting them to be just 50% workable, regular +people (95% of the population) like their products. + +Apple's approach mimics the Unix philosophy (every small tool covers a task +extremely well, and integrates with the rest of the Unix system): every +single technical bullet point included does a task extremely well with the +rest of the tools and look'n'feel. + +Mandriva tries that, with look'n'feel consistent on MCC, KDE and Gnome. +draketools work on TUI or GUI. They work well. + +IMHO, Mageia should improve on Mandriva, not try to get just "bullet points" +on what our distro does. + +Let's pick our battles, go the Unix way, make sure what Mageia does, it does +very well. And as Linux is Linux is Linux is Linux, it will do everything +else as well (and the kitchen sink). + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#622">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#622">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#622">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#622">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000623.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000623.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57bbaf017 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000623.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101001193814.GT21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000621.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000630.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101001193814.GT21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 21:38:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#623">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#623">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#623">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#623">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +</I>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 +</I>><i> months or every year. +</I> +And you prefer to spend time to update your distribution every day instead +of every year ? + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#623">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#623">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#623">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#623">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000624.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000624.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5bbed9292 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000624.html @@ -0,0 +1,111 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] So? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20So%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101001195630.GB18264%40shikamaru.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000544.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000533.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] So?</H1> + <B>Remy CLOUARD</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20So%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C20101001195630.GB18264%40shikamaru.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] So?">shikamaru at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 21:56:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#624">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#624">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#624">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#624">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:16:34AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> I guess Anne forgot, thanks for reminding us. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I can make a brief summary from what I remind : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - a sysadmin team have been created, except we do not have yet servers +</I>><i> to manage ( ok, 1 ). I will let nicolas (boklm) explain, as he was in +</I>><i> charge of this +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - we have a vm offered by gandi.net, to host secondary dns + blog + www +</I>><i> + secondary mx + temporary svn. It is not installed yet ( besides the +</I>><i> os ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - damien(damsweb), raphael(rapsys) and anne (ennael) are taking care of +</I>><i> getting a hoster for the 5 servers that were offered by a donor who wish +</I>><i> to stay anonymous, and for the missing hardware ( mainly hard drives ). +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> - I am working on a planning for the deployment of the buildsystem +</I>><i> ( roughly, 4/5 days from scratch without server installation if all goes +</I>><i> well ), when I am not answering to mails or taking care of servers. +</I>><i> +</I>... +><i> - buchan ( bgmilne) is taking care of the ldap part to store accounts +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I may have forgot some parts, and some people, but I think that +</I>><i> summarizing everything that was since a few days. Of course, you can +</I>><i> also add the work of AUFML for donation, the part about blog done by +</I>><i> damien, etc. +</I>Mmh from your answer I don’t see if you planned to use the server I’ve +proposed you + +It expires on the 9th of every month. I can renew it for this month, but +an answer if you plan to use it or not would be appreciated, I prefer to +give 35 euros each month to Mageia instead of paying a dedicated server +for nothing ;) + +Also, please ping me if you wish to set up a gitorious or a redmine on +it, want root access or something like that. + +Thanks in advance, + +Regards, +-- +Rémy CLOUARD +() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail +/\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 230 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101001/c23b4e46/attachment-0001.asc> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#624">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#624">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#624">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#624">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000625.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000625.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..eaa31fcd1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000625.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA63E41.2040907%40free.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000641.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000640.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Daniel Le Berre</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA63E41.2040907%40free.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">le.berred at free.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:02:09 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 01/10/2010 20:03, Olivier Méjean a écrit : +><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +</I>>><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every +</I>>><i> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should +</I>>><i> make one release in one year. By doing so devs and translators won't +</I>>><i> be in rush in every 6 months. Also there are major changes like +</I>>><i> systemd/upstart; those system related things will be more mature in a +</I>>><i> year to use. It makes the distro more stable and decraese mirrors +</I>>><i> space waste. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>>><i> code names. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +</I>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 +</I>><i> months or every year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +Mandriva has allowed to properly upgrade an existing installation from +the internet just if it was a normal security update for a few years (2 +at least). + +I do not see what would be the benefit of a rolling release compared to +the current process. + +I am more concerned about the path from the cauldron to the final release. + +I do not know if it is possible, but I think that the way the Eclipse +foundation is running the Eclipse project is worth mentioning: +- they have milestone target every 6 weeks, aimed at power users (stable +enough to run on their own, but might break compatibility with existing +plugins). +For a linux distribution, it would mean main elements ok, for contrib +packages dependencies might be broken. +- then they have a RC cycle in the last two months to produce the final +release. Only major problems are fixed there, no new features. +- Service releases are produced 3 months and 8 months after release, to +integrate major bug fixes => this could be some xxxx.1 and xxxx.2 +releases after the main xxxx release. + +The main reason of the milestone is that Eclipse committers are more or +less supposed to run the latest millestone: have your cake and eat it +too. Any problem in the milestone should that way be met by those +developers and quickly reported for a fix in the next milestone. + +Here the idea is that Mageia supporters willing to help making it better +should be able to run the latest milestone without must risks +(basic functionality working). + +All the details about Eclipse release process is available on: +<A HREF="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process_2010.php">http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process_2010.php</A> + +Daniel +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#625">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#625">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#625">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#625">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000626.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000626.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..318f69295 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000626.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20An%20idea%20for%20improve%20URPMI%20%3B%29&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85ej1%24hio%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000581.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;)</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20An%20idea%20for%20improve%20URPMI%20%3B%29&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85ej1%24hio%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;)">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 21:59:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#626">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#626">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#626">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#626">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Oliver Burger wrote: + +><i> André Machado <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-09-30 +</I>>><i> I'm asking if is possible "force" +</I>>><i> or "make" URPMI create this "groups", elect the smaller one and download +</I>>><i> it, from the smaller to bigger package, install it and download the +</I>>><i> second smaller package group in this same order. +</I>><i> The question is: why? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I> ++1 + +The logic for this kind of behavior looks like it will collide with the +current dependency logic. Getting them to work together sure will slow down +URPM tools. + +I don't want to risk to go back to rpm dependency hell, with slower tool +just because someone had a neat idea. + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#626">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#626">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#626">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#626">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000627.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000627.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0fdc069f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000627.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85eur%24hio%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000642.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000629.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85eur%24hio%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:05:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#627">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#627">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#627">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#627">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>atilla ontas wrote: + +><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. +</I> +(...) + +><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I> +><i> What's your opinion? +</I> +I'd like 2 releases a year, plus a naming convention similar to current one +(2010.0, 2010.1). + +It makes it easy to figure out which version to install (think newcomer). +Also, I'd like to not do "Spring" "Fall"... , as Spring in the North is +Autumn in the South. + +Think globally. + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#627">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#627">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#627">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#627">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000628.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000628.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5bb4c8d5d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000628.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinF%2BX2y80jHWhPf9jtWuH4Wy94vvmqJgRct-1jR%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000598.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000799.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Juan Luis Baptiste</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinF%2BX2y80jHWhPf9jtWuH4Wy94vvmqJgRct-1jR%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">juan.baptiste at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:06:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#628">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#628">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#628">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#628">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Samuel Verschelde <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">stormi at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> I don't want an iPod or an iPhone. +</I>><i> +</I> +I do but they're so expensive :P + + +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#628">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#628">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#628">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#628">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000629.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000629.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ac5304bc9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000629.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? 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Similar to say Ubuntu +Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® + +-----Original Message----- +From: Sinner from the Prairy <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>> +Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev-bounces at mageia.org</A> +Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:05:46 +To: <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>> +Reply-To: Mageia development mailing-list <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>> +Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + +atilla ontas wrote: + +><i> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. +</I> +(...) + +><i> One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> code names. +</I> +><i> What's your opinion? +</I> +I'd like 2 releases a year, plus a naming convention similar to current one +(2010.0, 2010.1). + +It makes it easy to figure out which version to install (think newcomer). +Also, I'd like to not do "Spring" "Fall"... , as Spring in the North is +Autumn in the South. + +Think globally. + + +Salut, +Sinner + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#629">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#629">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#629">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#629">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000630.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000630.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0e4262e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000630.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012241.59812.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000623.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000631.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012241.59812.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:41:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#630">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#630">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#630">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#630">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 21:38:14, nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: +</I>><i> > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +</I>><i> > think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> > computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution +</I>><i> > every 6 months or every year. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you prefer to spend time to update your distribution every day instead +</I>><i> of every year ? +</I>><i> +</I> +I update my distribution if not every day every week each time there is an +update, but moreover i need to update every 6 months if i want to have latest +versions. So right now the point is updating every day and upgrading to new +version every 6 months (and truely, i am still using 2010). + +The question of time is a wrong question, i spend time upgrading every day +(well just clicking the applet, typing password and let's go !) + +I don't know how often Mageia will be released, and how long all the versions +will be maintened, i am not sure that a fixed release is the best choice. My +feeling is that there is a huge hope, maybe not among developers, for a great +rolling distro (understand great by with many contributors) that could emerge +among all the fixed released distribution. + +The point i want to emphasis is that i still do not understand why my Mandriva +2010 offers me OOo 3.1 while Mandriva 2010.1 offers OOo 3.2. Can OOo 3.2 work on +Mandriva 2010 ? It also means that Mandriva should look for patch for OOo 3.1 +and OOo 3.2 to maintain those two versions (and by the way, on a Mandriva +2009.1 you have OOo 3.1.1-0.3, on 2010 you have OOo 3.1.1-2.5 and on 2010.1 +you have OOo 3.2-4), Mageia will face the same problem. For me, as a user, it +would be simplier to provide just one version, the latest. Update can be +delayed, time to test. But i really do not understand why OOo 3.2 is not +available for Mandriva 2010 nor 2009.1. That's maybe a question of time of +compilation, take long time to create OOo rpms, it takes 3 times more to +create OOo rpms for 3 different edition (or is there any technical issue that +forbid OOo 3.2 on Mandriva 2010 and 2009.1 ?). I also doubt that OOo 3.1 is +still in development, neither seems OOo 3.2. + +So i would not like the same for Mageia. It is a new project, we shall not +need to re-take everything from Mandriva, but rather innovate and there i +guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution could +be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#630">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#630">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#630">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#630">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000631.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000631.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..92c7880cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000631.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vjwz8mgtn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000630.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000639.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>David W. Hodgins</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vjwz8mgtn7mcit%40hodgins.homeip.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">davidwhodgins at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:51:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#631">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#631">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#631">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#631">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:41:59 -0400, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: + +><i> guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution could +</I>><i> be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. +</I> +If the release number was no longer part of the rpm name, packages that were +not changed (which I would expect to be the bulk of them), would not have to +be recompiled, or downloaded/installed, every six months. That would +greatly reduce the amount of work for the developers, and the users. + +Regards, Dave Hodgins +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#631">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#631">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#631">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#631">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000632.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000632.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0435eccb3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000632.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012257.06735.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000639.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000637.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012257.06735.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:57:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#632">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#632">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#632">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#632">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 01 oktober 2010 22:41:59 schreef Olivier Méjean: +><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 21:38:14, nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: +</I>><i> > > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do +</I>><i> > > not think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use +</I>><i> > > my computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a +</I>><i> > > distribution every 6 months or every year. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And you prefer to spend time to update your distribution every day +</I>><i> > instead of every year ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I update my distribution if not every day every week each time there is an +</I>><i> update, but moreover i need to update every 6 months if i want to have +</I>><i> latest versions. So right now the point is updating every day and +</I>><i> upgrading to new version every 6 months (and truely, i am still using +</I>><i> 2010). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The question of time is a wrong question, i spend time upgrading every day +</I>><i> (well just clicking the applet, typing password and let's go !) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know how often Mageia will be released, and how long all the +</I>><i> versions will be maintened, i am not sure that a fixed release is the best +</I>><i> choice. My feeling is that there is a huge hope, maybe not among +</I>><i> developers, for a great rolling distro (understand great by with many +</I>><i> contributors) that could emerge among all the fixed released distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The point i want to emphasis is that i still do not understand why my +</I>><i> Mandriva 2010 offers me OOo 3.1 while Mandriva 2010.1 offers OOo 3.2. Can +</I>><i> OOo 3.2 work on Mandriva 2010 ? It also means that Mandriva should look +</I>><i> for patch for OOo 3.1 and OOo 3.2 to maintain those two versions (and by +</I>><i> the way, on a Mandriva 2009.1 you have OOo 3.1.1-0.3, on 2010 you have OOo +</I>><i> 3.1.1-2.5 and on 2010.1 you have OOo 3.2-4), Mageia will face the same +</I>><i> problem. For me, as a user, it would be simplier to provide just one +</I>><i> version, the latest. Update can be delayed, time to test. But i really do +</I>><i> not understand why OOo 3.2 is not available for Mandriva 2010 nor 2009.1. +</I>><i> That's maybe a question of time of compilation, take long time to create +</I>><i> OOo rpms, it takes 3 times more to create OOo rpms for 3 different edition +</I>><i> (or is there any technical issue that forbid OOo 3.2 on Mandriva 2010 and +</I>><i> 2009.1 ?). I also doubt that OOo 3.1 is still in development, neither +</I>><i> seems OOo 3.2. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So i would not like the same for Mageia. It is a new project, we shall not +</I>><i> need to re-take everything from Mandriva, but rather innovate and there i +</I>><i> guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution +</I>><i> could be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. +</I> + +i don't understand, if you click the applet every time there's an update, then +when there's a new version, the you also click the applet and it updates... +there isn't any real difference from a user pov... +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#632">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#632">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#632">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#632">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000633.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000633.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fffab4f0d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000633.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012259.08038.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000629.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000563.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012259.08038.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:59:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#633">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#633">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#633">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#633">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 01 oktober 2010 22:05:46 schreef Sinner from the Prairy: +><i> atilla ontas wrote: +</I>><i> > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do +</I>><i> > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and +</I>><i> > suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia 1.0 or using +</I>><i> > code names. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'd like 2 releases a year, plus a naming convention similar to current one +</I>><i> (2010.0, 2010.1). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It makes it easy to figure out which version to install (think newcomer). +</I>><i> Also, I'd like to not do "Spring" "Fall"... , as Spring in the North is +</I>><i> Autumn in the South. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Think globally. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Salut, +</I>><i> Sinner +</I> +i agree with you 100% and good point about global stuff! + ++10 +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#633">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#633">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#633">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#633">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000634.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000634.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..66fa52376 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000634.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTG4oFGUDkEvy6Rmoyu_V7RT1p4eV0kmhsxUA7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000622.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000636.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTG4oFGUDkEvy6Rmoyu_V7RT1p4eV0kmhsxUA7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:02:38 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#634">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#634">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#634">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#634">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 21:30, Sinner from the Prairy +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> Fabrice Facorat wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how +</I>>><i> people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support +</I>>><i> iPhone : no standard visio, no ability to create without iTunes or +</I>>><i> third party tools photo albums, less capable facebook integration, no +</I>>><i> FM radio, no flash,  and so on ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> iProducts don't have all the bullet points, all the technical specs that an +</I>><i> UberGeek would like. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But the ones they have: work great, are integrated with the rest of the +</I>><i> ecosystem, are user-friendly and they are aesthetically pleasant. +</I> +And (and that's an important bit to differentiate when entering a new +market or pushing a new product revision): they almost never +feature-match existing potentially competing products on the market. + +By doing so, they prevent customers to compare their products with the +competition feature against feature. So comparison and choice happens +on something else than the common feature set you would expect for a +industry-standard product; it happens on something they are better at +than the competition, be it a set of innovating/differentiating +features or design. + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#634">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#634">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#634">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#634">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000635.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000635.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..488b698cc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000635.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010020903.15033.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000619.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000536.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets</H1> + <B>Graham Lauder</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Identifying%20Target%20Markets&In-Reply-To=%3C201010020903.15033.yorick_%40openoffice.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets">yorick_ at openoffice.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 22:03:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#635">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#635">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#635">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#635">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 03:42:27 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Teaching IT was only the smallest part. I was involved in selling, +</I>><i> purchasing, advising - the whole area, not just that small marketing +</I>><i> section. And I talked to people all over the country, including +</I>><i> international events, not just one special geografic area like NZ. +</I>><i> Western Europe is a mix of many different areas, not just one. +</I>><i> So pls do not try to talk to me like you know it all. +</I> +Oh for Jiminys' sake, is there something in the water that causes you to be so +literal. I SAID HYPOTHETICAL! What I was trying to do was demonstrate in a +lighthearted manner that NOONE, me included, can experience on their own, a +global market. That's why some of us pay huge amounts of money to the market +research companies for this sort of info. + +This is now wasting my time + +-- +Graham Lauder, +OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ +<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A> + +OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. + +INGOTs Assessor Trainer +(International Grades in Open Technologies) +www.theingots.org +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#635">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#635">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#635">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#635">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000636.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000636.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6e5bc41ed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000636.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85ifp%24468%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000634.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000595.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%0A%09on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85ifp%24468%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:05:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#636">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#636">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#636">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#636">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-01 09:20, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> 2010/10/1 Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> again you're somewhat wrong +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but +</I>>><i> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about +</I>>><i> appearance ) and so are successful. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Appearance is not their only reason to be successful at this time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one +</I>><i> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not +</I>><i> going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it +</I>><i> is the product. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I> +And here again, another tech article mentioning the draktools that has +made Mandriva so user friendly. + +<A HREF="http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/09/corporations-and-you-whos-who-in-open_1550.html">http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/09/corporations-and-you-whos-who-in-open_1550.html</A> + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#636">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#636">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#636">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#636">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000637.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000637.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..97cc264e2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000637.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012316.37687.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000632.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000638.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012316.37687.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:16:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I>><i> i don't understand, if you click the applet every time there's an update, +</I>><i> then when there's a new version, the you also click the applet and it +</I>><i> updates... there isn't any real difference from a user pov... +</I>><i> +</I> +Have you ever tried ? I did once and broken (don't remeber when, 2009 → 2009.1 +maybe) + +And also it does not answer for OOo 3.2 not being available for Mandriva 2010 + +And finally, why waiting for a new version to update, can't it be done +regularly ? + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000638.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000638.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0cbbe93fe --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000638.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimpfvCXCGVQkx7wyKNmiUeLFpz8SQqnqVLQ-Hrt%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000637.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000641.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Nicolas Lécureuil</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimpfvCXCGVQkx7wyKNmiUeLFpz8SQqnqVLQ-Hrt%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">neoclust.mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:25:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#638">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#638">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#638">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#638">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/1 Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> + +><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > [...] +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > i don't understand, if you click the applet every time there's an update, +</I>><i> > then when there's a new version, the you also click the applet and it +</I>><i> > updates... there isn't any real difference from a user pov... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Have you ever tried ? I did once and broken (don't remeber when, 2009 → +</I>><i> 2009.1 +</I>><i> maybe) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And also it does not answer for OOo 3.2 not being available for Mandriva +</I>><i> 2010 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And finally, why waiting for a new version to update, can't it be done +</I>><i> regularly ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>mageia can handle better updates/backports but a for a rolling distro just +use cauldron :þ +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20101001/5e2d4ec6/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#638">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#638">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#638">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#638">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000639.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000639.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..621c3c552 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000639.html @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cm339spob26.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000631.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000632.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Cm339spob26.fsf%40euphor.blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:30:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#639">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#639">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#639">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#639">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>"David W. Hodgins" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>> writes: + +><i> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:41:59 -0400, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution could +</I>>><i> be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If the release number was no longer part of the rpm name, packages that were +</I>><i> not changed (which I would expect to be the bulk of them), would not have to +</I>><i> be recompiled, or downloaded/installed, every six months. That would +</I>><i> greatly reduce the amount of work for the developers, and the users. +</I> +That's not so simple, the same src package can generate binary packages +with different dependencies if built for two different distros, for +example different libc versions. + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#639">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#639">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#639">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#639">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000640.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000640.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..644a10103 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000640.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85k57%24b30%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000625.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000642.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3Ci85k57%24b30%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:34:30 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#640">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#640">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#640">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#640">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +><i> I do not know if it is possible, but I think that the way the Eclipse +</I>><i> foundation is running the Eclipse project is worth mentioning: +</I>><i> - they have milestone target every 6 weeks, aimed at power users (stable +</I>><i> enough to run on their own, but might break compatibility with existing +</I>><i> plugins). +</I>><i> For a linux distribution, it would mean main elements ok, for contrib +</I>><i> packages dependencies might be broken. +</I>><i> - then they have a RC cycle in the last two months to produce the final +</I>><i> release. Only major problems are fixed there, no new features. +</I>><i> - Service releases are produced 3 months and 8 months after release, to +</I>><i> integrate major bug fixes => this could be some xxxx.1 and xxxx.2 +</I>><i> releases after the main xxxx release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The main reason of the milestone is that Eclipse committers are more or +</I>><i> less supposed to run the latest millestone: have your cake and eat it +</I>><i> too. Any problem in the milestone should that way be met by those +</I>><i> developers and quickly reported for a fix in the next milestone. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here the idea is that Mageia supporters willing to help making it better +</I>><i> should be able to run the latest milestone without must risks +</I>><i> (basic functionality working). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All the details about Eclipse release process is available on: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process_2010.php">http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process_2010.php</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Daniel +</I>><i> +</I> +I find this method interesting as the risk of breaking your system is +minimized and you could conceivably re-install any broken/offending +software. I think if Mageia adopted such a method it could attract more +users who are interesting in helping in "bug finding". More bug finding +-> more of a rock solid distro. We could then have a larger pool of testers. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#640">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#640">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#640">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#640">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000641.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000641.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c8502af8d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000641.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012335.28505.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000638.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000625.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Olivier Méjean</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C201010012335.28505.omejean%40yahoo.fr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">omejean at yahoo.fr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:35:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#641">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#641">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#641">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#641">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 23:25:50, Nicolas Lécureuil a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/1 Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : +</I>><i> > > [...] +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > i don't understand, if you click the applet every time there's an +</I>><i> > > update, then when there's a new version, the you also click the applet +</I>><i> > > and it updates... there isn't any real difference from a user pov... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Have you ever tried ? I did once and broken (don't remeber when, 2009 → +</I>><i> > 2009.1 +</I>><i> > maybe) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And also it does not answer for OOo 3.2 not being available for Mandriva +</I>><i> > 2010 +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And finally, why waiting for a new version to update, can't it be done +</I>><i> > regularly ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> mageia can handle better updates/backports but a for a rolling distro just +</I>><i> use cauldron :þ +</I>><i> +</I> +Well no, cauldron is development version ;) + +-- +Olivier Méjean +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux +<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> +twitter : obagoom +identi.ca : goom +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#641">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#641">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#641">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#641">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000642.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000642.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..981801e4c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000642.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik5NewXQ7utmgBEpMWgw1p8QywrPvsvact94CPh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000640.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000627.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20How%20will%20be%20the%20realese%20cycle%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik5NewXQ7utmgBEpMWgw1p8QywrPvsvact94CPh%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 23:54:01 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#642">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#642">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#642">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#642">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 20:03, Olivier Méjean <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>> wrote: +><i> Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : +</I>>><i> What's your opinion? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not +</I>><i> think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my +</I>><i> computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 +</I>><i> months or every year. +</I> +Guys, wouldn't an article about it be a good idea as a base for +discussion? or summary, because I guess this discussion has happened +already, time and again. + +So if you could post a short exposé of the _perceived_ pros/cons of +each approaches (rolling/not rolling, 6 months/more) both from user +and provider POVs, that could help this discussion actually go +somewhere. + +Romain +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#642">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#642">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#642">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#642">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000799.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000799.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64b2f0cd9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/000799.html @@ -0,0 +1,180 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%0A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA5D182.3090503%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="000628.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="000593.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github</H1> + <B>Thomas Lottmann</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20About%20Mandriva%20tools%20future%20%3A%0A%20Host%20Mandriva%20tools%20on%20github&In-Reply-To=%3C4CA5D182.3090503%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github">skiperdrake at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Oct 1 14:18:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#799">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#799">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#799">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#799">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> Le 01/10/2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : +><i> I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found +</I>><i> it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a +</I>><i> serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have +</I>><i> no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow +</I>><i> this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools, +</I>><i> however Mandriva tools have some issues : +</I>><i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think +</I>><i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages. +</I>><i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the +</I>><i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could +</I>><i> help a little. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except +</I>><i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external +</I>><i> contributions : They notably lack visibility. +</I> +I do agree with this. + +><i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an +</I>><i> efficient way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease +</I>><i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to +</I>><i> have a Mandriva account ) +</I> +Yes. Having their own 'site' and independent platform may help. + +><i> 2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we +</I>><i> should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with +</I>><i> system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten ( +</I>><i> python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier +</I>><i> than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do +</I>><i> this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some +</I>><i> Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues : +</I>><i> python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva +</I>><i> infrastructure +</I> +We need to see what is still functional, what is broken (and so what is +to repair), and what is to drop. Eventually, what is to support and +repair again (printerdrake?) if possible. + +For what I know, there are many tools that work : RPMDrake and related, +Drakstats, Diskdrake, Harddrake, DrakX11, Drak3D, DrakUPS, DrakFirewall, +DrakGuard (wonderful this one) but may networking tools to share network +or use VPN, Samba, NFS, WebDav, and eventually along with Diskdrake, are +broken. Others such as Draksnapshot and DrakSamba (not sure if it works +or not) are a pain due to insufficient functionalities or +outdated/painful GUI. There is a nice theming functionality in the MCC +that is also probably broken or difficult to use, that could be restored +or explained. + +><i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager +</I> +Yes, even though I think we should give another chance to NetApplet and +see what should be fixed to make it better. NetAppler has the advantages +of being linked to DrakFirewall, perhaps other tools, and to be +independent of any environment. + +><i> 4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will +</I>><i> have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par +</I>><i> with the competition : +</I>><i> - Ubuntu software center : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> , +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A> +</I>><i> - iTunes App Store : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A> +</I>><i> , <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A> +</I>><i> - Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to +</I>><i> packagekit with and urpmi backend. +</I> +I still have a very strong faith and appreciation for RPMDrake. I really +think it is well designed and intuitive, despite it's little issues and +being slow (honestly, PackageKit is slow and also has issues so...). + +The real issue that RPMDrake has is it's Aplications with GUI filter. +Even if I think this functionalitiy is really good for beginners, +RPMDrake is a -package- manager. Mandriva does need a real and dedicated +Application manager (could be called an AppCenter) where beginners would +find a way to install (shop?) applications with a very nice layout, +presentation, clear icons, screenshot, and no irritating choice of +hundreds of dependencies with barbaric names. +It might be difficult, but much more convenient for those who just want +things to work in a snap (or in very few clicks). + +This would allow to place back again the default filter on "All" (should +be renamed to "Show all packages") for the RPMDrake package manager. We +would then have an AppCenter and a real package manager for advanced +package management, without forgetting a dedicated tool with GUI to +manage orphans more efficiently. + +Yet, all of this demands a huge lot of work and we will need huge +resources... + +><i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the +</I>><i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to +</I>><i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to +</I>><i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could +</I>><i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments. +</I> +Yes. This will help people from outside understand better how the +program works. Reading the code itself isn't that easy even if it is +well written. + +><i> Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion +</I>><i> about the people we should target. Here are some interesting +</I>><i> reflexions : +</I>><i> Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A> +</I>><i> fedoraproject.org redesign update : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A> +</I>><i> You must be this tall to ride: __ : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_</A>_ +</I> +Will read them when I'll find the time to... + +Thomas. + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#799">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#799">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#799">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#799">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a53b42e91 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,622 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 1 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>1 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 00:08:29 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:54:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 115<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="628"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="608"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="625"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="578"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="600"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="639"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="556"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="561"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="565"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="566"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="571"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="606"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="581"> </A> +<I>Andrey Borzenkov +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="557"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="624"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="604"> </A> +<I>Arthur Cheung +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="559"> </A> +<I>P. 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+</A><A NAME="623"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Oct 1 23:54:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:47:57 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fd7a10d9c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,622 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 1 October 2010 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>1 October 2010 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 00:08:29 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:54:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 115<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="534"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="527"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="528"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="529"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="530"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="535"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="536"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="531"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="533"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="532"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="539"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="537"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="538"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="540"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="542"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="541"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="543"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="544"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="545"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="547"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="549"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="548"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="550"> </A> +<I>ًzied chedly +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="551"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="552"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="553"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="554"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="555"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="556"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="557"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="558"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="559"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="560"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="561"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="562"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="573"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="563"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="564"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="565"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="566"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="567"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="575"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="568"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="569"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="570"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="571"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="572"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="574"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="576"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="577"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="578"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="579"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="580"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="581"> </A> +<I>Andrey Borzenkov +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="582"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="583"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="584"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="585"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="586"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="587"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="588"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="590"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="589"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="799"> </A> +<I>Thomas Lottmann +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="599"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="591"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="592"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="593"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="594"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="596"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="595"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="597"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="598"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="600"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="602"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="603"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="604"> </A> +<I>Arthur Cheung +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="605"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="606"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="607"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="608"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="609"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="610"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="611"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="612"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="613"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="614"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="615"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="616"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="617"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="618"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="619"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="620"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="621"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="622"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="623"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="624"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;) +</A><A NAME="626"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="625"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="635"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="627"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="628"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="629"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="630"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="631"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="632"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="633"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="634"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="636"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="637"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="638"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="639"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="640"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="641"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="642"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Oct 1 23:54:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:47:57 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20101001/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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23:54:01 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 115<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="799"> </A> +<I>Thomas Lottmann +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="593"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="578"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="579"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="582"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="583"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="586"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="587"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="588"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="592"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="594"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="596"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="595"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="597"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="598"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="600"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="602"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="603"> </A> +<I>Marek Laane +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="622"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="628"> </A> +<I>Juan Luis Baptiste +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="634"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="636"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="577"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="580"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="581"> </A> +<I>Andrey Borzenkov +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="584"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="585"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;) +</A><A NAME="626"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="550"> </A> +<I>ًzied chedly +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="589"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="555"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="604"> </A> +<I>Arthur Cheung +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="607"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="608"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="610"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="621"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="623"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="625"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="627"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="629"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="630"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="631"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="632"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="633"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="637"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="638"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="639"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="640"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="641"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="642"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="534"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="530"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="535"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="536"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="539"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="537"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="543"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="549"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="556"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="557"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="558"> </A> +<I>David W. 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Christeas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="573"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="575"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="570"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="571"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="574"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="590"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="599"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="591"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] 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+<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="564"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="565"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="566"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="567"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="568"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="569"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="572"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="612"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="613"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="614"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="615"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="616"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="618"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="620"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="576"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="533"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="563"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a 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Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285885970-01285886089-01285886205- --> +<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="529"> </A> +<I>Robert Xu +</I> + +<!--2 01285885970-01285886089-01285951401- --> +<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="612"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01285885970-01285898856- --> +<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="540"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492- --> +<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="542"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233- --> +<LI><A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="545"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233-01285902829- --> +<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="548"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233-01285902829-01285907247- --> +<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="551"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233-01285902829-01285907247-01285907675- --> +<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="552"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233-01285902829-01285907247-01285907675-01285908214- --> +<LI><A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="553"> </A> +<I>Mihai Dobrescu +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285901233-01285902829-01285907247-01285907675-01285911791- --> +<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="554"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285923589- --> +<LI><A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="562"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285923589-01285924366- --> +<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="565"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494- --> +<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="613"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494-01285952038- --> +<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="614"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494-01285952038-01285952490- --> +<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="616"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494-01285952083- --> +<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="615"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494-01285952083-01285953658- --> +<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="618"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285899492-01285951494-01285952083-01285953658-01285954769- --> +<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="620"> </A> +<I>sorteal +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958- --> +<LI><A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="560"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647- --> +<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="561"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335- --> +<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="564"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335-01285924669- --> +<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="566"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335-01285924669-01285925316- --> +<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="567"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335-01285924669-01285925316-01285926478- --> +<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="569"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335-01285924669-01285925767- --> +<LI><A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="568"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<!--3 01285885970-01285898856-01285920958-01285922647-01285924335-01285924669-01285925767-01285927466- --> +<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers +</A><A NAME="572"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285886593- --> +<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="530"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285886593-01285919957- --> +<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="558"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285886593-01285919957-01285920703- --> +<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="559"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<!--2 01285886593-01285919957-01285951180- --> +<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="611"> </A> +<I>Liam R E Quin +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01285886593-01285938118- --> +<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="591"> </A> +<I>Frederic Janssens +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285887056- --> +<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="535"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285887056-01285918672- --> +<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="556"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285887056-01285918672-01285919351- --> +<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="557"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285919351-01285925490- --> +<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="575"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002- --> +<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="573"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285935276- --> +<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="590"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285935276-01285936219- --> +<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="599"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285935276-01285936219-01285944006- --> +<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="605"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285944147- --> +<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="606"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285944147-01285949257- --> +<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="609"> </A> +<I>Hoyt Duff +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285944147-01285949257-01285953177- --> +<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="617"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285944147-01285949257-01285954439- --> +<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="619"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01285887056-01285918672-01285924002-01285944147-01285963394- --> +<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="635"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285889047- --> +<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="536"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +<!--0 01285889878- --> +<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="531"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285889878-01285892194- --> +<LI><A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="532"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285889878-01285892194-01285901119- --> +<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="544"> </A> +<I>SinnerBOFH +</I> + +<!--2 01285889878-01285892194-01285962990- --> +<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A><A NAME="624"> </A> +<I>Remy CLOUARD +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285892092- --> +<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center? +</A><A NAME="533"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<!--0 01285897852- --> +<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="537"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285897852-01285895012- --> +<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="539"> </A> +<I>Graham Lauder +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285898407- --> +<LI><A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="538"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285898407-01285899871- --> +<LI><A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="541"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285898407-01285899871-01285901348- --> +<LI><A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-dev] Mailman idiot defaults +</A><A NAME="547"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285900436- --> +<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="543"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<!--0 01285902807- --> +<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="549"> </A> +<I>andré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285902807-01285926563- --> +<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="570"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285902807-01285926563-01285927007- --> +<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="571"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285902807-01285926563-01285927007-01285928333- --> +<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets +</A><A NAME="574"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01285904319- --> +<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="550"> </A> +<I>ًzied chedly +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285904319-01285935276- --> +<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-dev] Hello +</A><A NAME="589"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01285915894- --> +<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="555"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01285915894-01285943922- --> +<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="604"> </A> +<I>Arthur Cheung +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285943922-01285947870- --> +<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="607"> </A> +<I>atilla ontas +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01285915894-01285948839- --> +<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="608"> </A> +<I>Maurice Batey +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285948839-01285950103- --> +<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="610"> </A> +<I>Sorteal +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01285915894-01285956221- --> +<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="621"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894- --> +<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="623"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719- --> +<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="630"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966308- --> +<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="631"> </A> +<I>David W. Hodgins +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966308-01285968641- --> +<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="639"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966626- --> +<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="632"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966626-01285967797- --> +<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="637"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966626-01285967797-01285968350- --> +<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="638"> </A> +<I>Nicolas Lécureuil +</I> + +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285961894-01285965719-01285966626-01285967797-01285968350-01285968928- --> +<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="641"> </A> +<I>Olivier Méjean +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285956221-01285963329- --> +<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="625"> </A> +<I>Daniel Le Berre +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01285915894-01285956221-01285963329-01285968870- --> +<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="640"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285956221-01285970041- --> +<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="642"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01285915894-01285963546- --> +<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="627"> </A> +<I>Sinner from the Prairy +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01285915894-01285963546-01285965401- --> +<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A><A NAME="629"> </A> +<I>sorteal at gmail.com +</I> + +<!--2 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+<!--3 01285929511-01285930652-01285930994-01285931525-01285931740-01285932188-01285932685- --> +<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="586"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01285929511-01285930652-01285930994-01285931525-01285931740-01285932188-01285932685-01285933045- --> +<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="587"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01285929511-01285930652-01285930994-01285931525-01285931740-01285932188-01285935108- --> +<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="588"> </A> +<I>Gustavo Giampaoli +</I> + +<!--3 01285929511-01285930652-01285930994-01285931525-01285931740-01285932188-01285938926- --> +<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github +</A><A NAME="594"> </A> +<I>Fabrice Facorat +</I> + 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