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+ <B>Antoine Pitrou</B>
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+Hello,
+
+Just had the following error with the latest security updates:
+
+2 transactions d'installation ont &#233;chou&#233;
+
+Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages&#160;:
+
+le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+
+le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
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+Regards
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+Antoine.
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+ <B>TJ</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cjm51lq%24309%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"
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+ <I>Thu Apr 12 00:47:21 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 04/11/2012 01:27 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/4/11 Anne Wilson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at kde.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 10/04/12 20:53, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 10 Apr 2012 10:57 my mailbox was graced by a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> True indeed, but if someone wants to commit suicide we do have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> moral duty not to supply the gun and teach him how to load it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We may have a duty to point out to him that we think his idea is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not good, but if he is decided, our duty then is to help him,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> including acting as kaishakunin if he asks us to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your idea of moral duty is obviously different from mine. I doubt if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the law would see it your way either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends on what you see in Mageia. Is Mageia a mere provider of a
+</I>&gt;<i> technical system who does not care further than uploading the
+</I>&gt;<i> software? If so we don't need to discuss questions, we don't need to
+</I>&gt;<i> give warnings about anything, etc. Or do we have a sense of moral duty
+</I>&gt;<i> which goes beyond that? I am happy to see the decision of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> showing that they care.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Whether I agree with the results or not, I get annoyed when people
+presume to do my risk assessments for me. I would rather do it myself in
+most cases. And this is one of those cases.
+
+TJ
+
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+ <B>Manuel Hiebel</B>
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+ <I>Thu Apr 12 00:27:57 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le 12/04/2012 00:18, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just had the following error with the latest security updates:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 transactions d'installation ont &#233;chou&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Why do you have rpm in x86_64 and i586 ?
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+ <B>R James</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20beta2%20woes%20and%20no%20graphical%20root%20%28tonyb%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCABrUAS%3DLLzGs4UJc8_mYPR%2BLU_JEKZvFQ2MMgp0TcpvqxOtN5A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Thu Apr 12 04:41:50 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Tony Blackwell &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tablackwell at bigpond.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> As the OP, I'll comment that although the config was AllowRoot=true, in
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc, all previous versions of Mandriva/Mageia going
+</I>&gt;<i> back a number of years, right up to M2beta1 after online updates, have
+</I>&gt;<i> supported setting this flag as allowing graphical root access to gnome as
+</I>&gt;<i> well as kde environments. &#160;I hear the impassioned objections of some of our
+</I>&gt;<i> leaders, and admit that the weight of expressed opinion in this thread is
+</I>&gt;<i> against it, but a number of us have found the ability to do this useful at
+</I>&gt;<i> times and I request its restoration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be happy as ftg commented that it still have the same red screen warning
+</I>&gt;<i> etc etc as before - agree it makes sense not to be obvious.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+bash: LetMeLoginToXasRoot: command not found
+:<i>-(
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# vi LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+{clickity click, clackity clack :wq}
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# cat LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+#/bin/sh
+echo
+echo &quot;So you want to be naughty?...OK ;o)&quot;
+sed -i 's/user != root//' /etc/pam.d/kdm
+sed -i 's/AllowRootLogin=false/AllowRootLogin=true/'\
+ /var/lib/mageia/kde4-profiles/Default/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
+echo
+echo &quot;Enter: service dm restart&quot;
+echo &quot;Then have a lot of fun!&quot;
+echo
+exit 0
+EOF
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# chmod 744 LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# ./LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+
+So you want to be naughty?...OK ;o)
+
+Enter: service dm restart
+Then have a lot of fun!
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# service dm restart
+:<i>o)
+</I>
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# GetMeABeer
+bash: GetMeABeer: command not found
+
+[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# sudo GetMeABeer
+sudo: GetMeABeer: get your own #!@$ Beer!
+;o)
+
+HTH - RJ
+
+&quot;Unix was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things,
+as that would also stop them from doing clever things.&quot; - Doug Gwyn
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+ <B>Kevin Bulgrien</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+</I>&gt;<i>bash: LetMeLoginToXasRoot: command not found
+</I>&gt;:<i>-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# vi LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+</I>&gt;<i>{clickity click, clackity clack :wq}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# cat LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+</I>&gt;<i>#/bin/sh
+</I>&gt;<i>echo
+</I>&gt;<i>echo &quot;So you want to be naughty?...OK ;o)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>sed -i 's/user != root//' /etc/pam.d/kdm
+</I>&gt;<i>sed -i 's/AllowRootLogin=false/AllowRootLogin=true/'\
+</I>&gt;<i> /var/lib/mageia/kde4-profiles/Default/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
+</I>&gt;<i>echo
+</I>&gt;<i>echo &quot;Enter: service dm restart&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>echo &quot;Then have a lot of fun!&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>echo
+</I>&gt;<i>exit 0
+</I>&gt;<i>EOF
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# chmod 744 LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> ~]# ./LetMeLoginToXasRoot
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>So you want to be naughty?...OK ;o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Enter: service dm restart
+</I>&gt;<i>Then have a lot of fun!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# service dm restart
+</I>&gt;:<i>o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# GetMeABeer
+</I>&gt;<i>bash: GetMeABeer: command not found
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">root at localhost</A> opt]# sudo GetMeABeer
+</I>&gt;<i>sudo: GetMeABeer: get your own #!@$ Beer!
+</I>&gt;<i>;o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>HTH - RJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;Unix was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things,
+</I>&gt;<i>as that would also stop them from doing clever things.&quot; - Doug Gwyn
+</I>
+
+Awesome on so many levels...
+
++10
+
+--
+Sent from my Android tablet. Please excuse my brevity.
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Am 12.04.2012 00:18, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just had the following error with the latest security updates:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 transactions d'installation ont &#233;chou&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>When posting to this list (or the forums) could you add &quot;LC_ALL=C&quot;
+before the command, so the error messages will be in English?
+
+Thanks,
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Antoine Pitrou</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:28:48 +0200
+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 12.04.2012 00:18, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just had the following error with the latest security updates:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2 transactions d'installation ont &#233;chou&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> When posting to this list (or the forums) could you add &quot;LC_ALL=C&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> before the command, so the error messages will be in English?
+</I>
+It's not before a command, it's in the upgrade tool which pops up from
+the notification area.
+
+That said, here is what &quot;urpmi --auto-update&quot; says:
+
+Installation failed: file /usr/include/openssl/cms.h from
+install of lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 conflicts with
+file from package libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+file /usr/include/openssl/cms.h from install of
+libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 conflicts with file from package
+lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
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+Regards
+
+Antoine.
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+ <B>Antoine Pitrou</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:27:57 +0200
+Manuel Hiebel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">manuel at hiebel.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 12/04/2012 00:18, Antoine Pitrou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just had the following error with the latest security updates:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2 transactions d'installation ont &#233;chou&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Why do you have rpm in x86_64 and i586 ?
+</I>
+Because I use both (or at least I used both at least once).
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
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+Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages&#160;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>
+I removed libopenssl-devel so that the upgrade goes fine.
+Now I can't reinstall it:
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365</A>
+
+Damn.
+
+Antoine.
+
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+<PRE>On Thursday, April 12, 2012 04:51:05 am Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:18:18 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I removed libopenssl-devel so that the upgrade goes fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I can't reinstall it:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Damn.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>
+What happens when you run:
+
+$ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+
+Are two different names displayed? If so, can you install by using the more
+detailed name?
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+&quot;Kevin R. Bulgrien&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kbulgrien at att.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Thursday, April 12, 2012 04:51:05 am Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:18:18 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le fichier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I removed libopenssl-devel so that the upgrade goes fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now I can't reinstall it:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Damn.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What happens when you run:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are two different names displayed? If so, can you install by using the more
+</I>&gt;<i> detailed name?
+</I>
+$ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel
+
+Which doesn't look right to me.
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:37:56 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Kevin R. Bulgrien&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kbulgrien at att.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday, April 12, 2012 04:51:05 am Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:18:18 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Antoine Pitrou &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Une erreur est survenue pendant l'installation des paquetages :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.x86_64 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; fichier du paquetage libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; le fichier /usr/include/openssl/cms.h de l'installation de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; libopenssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.3.mga1.i586 entre en conflit avec le
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; fichier du paquetage lib64openssl-devel-1.0.0d-2.2.mga1.x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I removed libopenssl-devel so that the upgrade goes fine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Now I can't reinstall it:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5365</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Damn.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What happens when you run:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Are two different names displayed? If so, can you install by using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more detailed name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which doesn't look right to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>
+How about the output of:
+
+$ urpmq --list-media
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+<PRE>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:51:25 -0500
+&quot;Kevin R. Bulgrien&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kbulgrien at att.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; $ urpmq --whatprovides libopenssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel|lib64openssl-devel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Which doesn't look right to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Antoine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about the output of:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmq --list-media
+</I>
+$ urpmq --list-media
+Mageia - 1 - x86_64 DVD
+Core Release
+Core Release Debug
+Core Updates
+Core Updates Debug
+Core Updates Testing
+Core Updates Testing Debug
+Core Backports
+Core Backports Debug
+Core Backports Testing
+Core Backports Testing Debug
+Nonfree Release
+Nonfree Release Debug
+Nonfree Updates
+Nonfree Updates Debug
+Nonfree Updates Testing
+Nonfree Updates Testing Debug
+Nonfree Backports
+Nonfree Backports Debug
+Nonfree Backports Testing
+Nonfree Backports Testing Debug
+Tainted Release
+Tainted Release Debug
+Tainted Updates
+Tainted Updates Debug
+Tainted Updates Testing
+Tainted Updates Testing Debug
+Tainted Backports
+Tainted Backports Debug
+Tainted Backports Testing
+Tainted Backports Testing Debug
+Core 32bit Release
+Core 32bit Release Debug
+Core 32bit Updates
+Core 32bit Updates Debug
+Core 32bit Updates Testing
+Core 32bit Updates Testing Debug
+Core 32bit Backports
+Core 32bit Backports Debug
+Core 32bit Backports Testing
+Core 32bit Backports Testing Debug
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+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 04/11/2012 01:27 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/4/11 Anne Wilson&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">annew at ...</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 10/04/12 20:53, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; On Tuesday 10 Apr 2012 10:57 my mailbox was graced by a message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; from Anne Wilson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; True indeed, but if someone wants to commit suicide we do have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; moral duty not to supply the gun and teach him how to load it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We may have a duty to point out to him that we think his idea is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; not good, but if he is decided, our duty then is to help him,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; including acting as kaishakunin if he asks us to.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Your idea of moral duty is obviously different from mine. I doubt if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the law would see it your way either.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Depends on what you see in Mageia. Is Mageia a mere provider of a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; technical system who does not care further than uploading the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software? If so we don't need to discuss questions, we don't need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; give warnings about anything, etc. Or do we have a sense of moral duty
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which goes beyond that? I am happy to see the decision of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; showing that they care.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Whether I agree with the results or not, I get annoyed when people
+</I>&gt;<i> presume to do my risk assessments for me. I would rather do it myself in
+</I>&gt;<i> most cases. And this is one of those cases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TJ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I didn't see any agreement, rebuttal, or acknowledgment of my suggestion that
+&quot;there are consequences from &quot;user's choice&quot; resulting in a machine distributing
+spam, bots, malware, including damage to the reputation/adoption of FOSS, that
+reach beyond the demise of one individual&quot;
+
+You have given this a lot of thought. Perhaps you could answer. To put it
+another way, if a user of a networked machine performs a risk assessment that
+leads him to conclude it's safe to open an email attachment, for example, and
+
+1. his machine has not been configured to prevent the deployment of the malware
+embedded in that attachment,
+2. his networked machine proceeds to distribute the effects of that malware
+across the internet,
+3. many thousands of machines are exposed to/infected with this unwanted
+software and/or more tangentially compromised by such consequences of
+administrative privileges exposed to the internet as spam or DDOS, e.g.
+
+is there not more than just bad outcomes for the bad choices of the,
+notwithstanding, annoyed, however, mistaken risk assessor?
+
+Sure, my example sounds exactly like a description of the environment created by
+Microsoft, who, apparently, did not anticipate all the consequences of writing
+software such that it is more easy to run. Sure, Linux is not Windows (and I'd
+like to see it stay that way). Sure, Linux is touted as more secure than
+Windows and does not, yet, have such a horrific history of waste and
+destruction. However, there are vulnerabilities in Linux that are continuously
+being patched and, should Linux come to be run on a more significant percentage
+of machines, the number of eyes of ne'er-do-wells scrutinizing those
+vulnerabilities will, most likely, increase.
+
+Are the parallels not clear to anyone else? Are you suggesting I should be
+comfortable to trust the risk assessment of each and every user who would eschew
+the wisdom of Unix--&gt;Minix--&gt;Linux developers and employ risky policy? I am
+not. Do you believe that what happens on one machine has no potential effect on
+any of the other connected machines, so Linux should be made to be whatever any
+consumer of FOSS might like? I do not. To sum, again, Linux is not merely a
+matter of an individual's choice.
+Rolf
+
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+<PRE>On Thursday 12 Apr 2012 10:05 my mailbox was graced by a message from Rolf
+Pedersen who wrote:
+&gt;<i> To sum, again, Linux is not merely a matter of an individual's choice.
+</I>
+So you will impose your choices on a community,
+because you know better than they do ?
+
+&quot;Resistance is futile...&quot;
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Silent enim leges inter arma.
+ -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
+
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+<PRE>2012/4/12 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 12 Apr 2012 10:05 my mailbox was graced by a message from Rolf
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedersen who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;To sum, again, Linux is not merely a matter of an individual's choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you will impose your choices on a community,
+</I>&gt;<i> because you know better than they do ?
+</I>
+Yes. And as a member of this community in such a case I have not the
+slightest problem with that.
+1. I have no technical background, not on paper nor in reality. Ergo I
+am not qualified to do a risk assessment like the developers are able
+to do (and are doing it for me).
+2. I am one, the developpers of FOSS (even in a rather small group
+like at Mageia) are a swarm with a level of knowledge which is more
+than any non-technical user can achieve.
+3. If I had a technical skills to do such a valid risk assessment then
+I'd also be able to change everything those developpers did.
+
+So, nobody imposes anything on you or anybody else where it is not
+necessary. This is Linux, you can change everything you don't like if
+you have the necessary skills. If you don't have the needed skills you
+are a valid object of the choice of the expert's measurements.
+
+Let me repeat a quote which matches the situation much better than a
+misplaced movie quote:
+&quot;Only kids who know not (yet) complain about wearing a helmet when
+riding their bicycle.&quot;
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On 04/12/2012 08:03 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 12 Apr 2012 10:05 my mailbox was graced by a message from Rolf
+</I>&gt;<i> Pedersen who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To sum, again, Linux is not merely a matter of an individual's choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So you will impose your choices on a community,
+</I>&gt;<i> because you know better than they do ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Resistance is futile...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
+Nonsense. I spoke a reasoned opinion about overarching concerns of a
+community versus unsupported claims, such as this, that these choices
+are merely a personal matter. I have no power to impose anything, save
+an expression of my point of view, within constraints. The security
+policies, in general, have been in place for a long time for good,
+traditional reasons. If there is any imposition on community it is the
+unfounded demand for ignoring these reasons. Even the tiny bite you
+excised from my post has no logical relation to your insinuation. Bah.
+ Such dishonest straw dogs as this are what annoy *me*.
+Rolf
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+&gt;<i> You are right with the criterium &quot;an application I use&quot;. But here we
+</I>&gt;<i> are talking about handbooks of every single little KDE app being
+</I>&gt;<i> forced upon the user, whether he wants/needs it or not.
+</I>
+Suggest to refrain from saying that you're forced. I don't see how
+you're being forced what I think is the common understanding of it
+(<A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/force">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/force</A>). Nobody is forcing you to install
+this (not having an option != forcing) and you have the freedom to
+either change (e.g. rm -rf). Saying you're being forced when clearly
+this is not forcing is IMO incorrect.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<PRE>Am 12.04.2012 19:21, schrieb Rolf Pedersen:
+&gt;<i> On 04/12/2012 08:03 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thursday 12 Apr 2012 10:05 my mailbox was graced by a message from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Rolf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pedersen who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To sum, again, Linux is not merely a matter of an individual's choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So you will impose your choices on a community,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because you know better than they do ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Resistance is futile...&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nonsense. I spoke a reasoned opinion about overarching concerns of a
+</I>&gt;<i> community versus unsupported claims, such as this, that these choices
+</I>&gt;<i> are merely a personal matter. I have no power to impose anything, save
+</I>&gt;<i> an expression of my point of view, within constraints. The security
+</I>&gt;<i> policies, in general, have been in place for a long time for good,
+</I>&gt;<i> traditional reasons. If there is any imposition on community it is the
+</I>&gt;<i> unfounded demand for ignoring these reasons. Even the tiny bite you
+</I>&gt;<i> excised from my post has no logical relation to your insinuation. Bah.
+</I>&gt;<i> Such dishonest straw dogs as this are what annoy *me*.
+</I>&gt;<i> Rolf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Apart from not seeing any sense in logging into a de as root (you can
+always start single applications as root, if you need them), I was
+looking into the changelog and the patches and saw nothing about
+disabling the root login.
+So I have to assume it's an upstream change and if you want to discuss
+it, best do it there...
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:19:27AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+&gt;<i> And remember too that Linux is all about user's choice; none of the &quot;We are
+</I>&gt;<i> XXXXX of Borg, resistance is futile, you will do exactly what we tell you&quot;.
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/">http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/</A>
+
+Aside from above, what is the benefit of having loads of options to me?
+I just want it to work. If there is an option I have to check before it
+works then it requires work to make it just work.
+
+I want the freedom that source code gives me. Choice? Don't care.
+
+Maybe I should subscribe to mageia-really-offtopic ;)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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+<I>Kevin R. Bulgrien
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+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<I>Manuel Hiebel
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
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+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<I>Rolf Pedersen
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+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<I>Rolf Pedersen
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+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
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+<I>Olav Vitters
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+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot
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+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
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+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kevin R. Bulgrien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kevin R. Bulgrien
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Apr 12 22:22:23 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Apr 12 22:22:30 CEST 2012</i>
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+ <h1>12 April 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Apr 12 00:18:18 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Apr 12 22:22:23 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 20<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01334182698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01334182698-01334183277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006984.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01334182698-01334183277-01334223827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01334182698-01334215728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006987.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01334182698-01334215728-01334223706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01334182698-01334224265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006990.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01334182698-01334224265-01334230676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kevin R. Bulgrien
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01334182698-01334224265-01334230676-01334231038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01334182698-01334224265-01334230676-01334231038-01334231485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006993.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kevin R. Bulgrien
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01334182698-01334224265-01334230676-01334231038-01334231485-01334233489- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Upgrade problem
+</A><A NAME="6994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Antoine Pitrou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01334184441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>TJ
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01334184441-01334239523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006995.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01334184441-01334239523-01334243034- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01334184441-01334239523-01334243034-01334250117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006997.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01334184441-01334239523-01334243034-01334251305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006998.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01334184441-01334239523-01334243034-01334251305-01334261754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007000.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="7000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01334198510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006985.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01334198510-01334204284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006986.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="6986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kevin Bulgrien
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01334256778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="006999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot
+</A><A NAME="6999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01334262143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007001.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb)
+</A><A NAME="7001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Apr 12 22:22:23 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Apr 12 22:22:30 CEST 2012</i>
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