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+    <B>Jerzy Trzeciak</B> 
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+<PRE>I have finally created two translation projects on <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+One of them is Epoll - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/</A>
+Another one - LemonPOS - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos</A>
+
+I have created Epoll project just to test creating a project :) (read my 
+former post). I made hundreds of mistakes and it took me a lot of time 
+to do it (learning is very, very expensive). Now it can be used when 
+source file, i.e. messages.pot is modified and we will have to update 
+translations. For training Epoll is not suitable, because almost all is 
+translated. Well, but when we have more teams...
+BTW  Turkish tr.po file does not pass &quot;msgfmt -c&quot; test and requires some 
+minor corrections. It looks like syntax error.
+[Turkish team] please correct it locally and resend to Mageia and to 
+transifex Epoll project. I made a correction to force uploading the file 
+to transifex, but I don't know what I really did.
+
+Another project is Point of Sale for KDE. I was looking for such 
+application after being asked by friend of mine. It looks promising 
+(app, not a friend). Naturally it needs some adaptation for individual 
+expectations.
+
+So, to the subject. I think we can start together learning cooperation, 
+translating online and offline, up- and downloading translation with 
+transifex.
+
+First step: register yourself at <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+Then join the projects and we can follow organizing teams, committers 
+and so on.
+
+After some sleep I will write small HOWTO concerning secrets of transifex :)
+
+Regards,
+Jerzy
+
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+&gt;<i> I have finally created two translation projects on <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>
+Well done.
+
+&gt;<i> So, to the subject. I think we can start together learning cooperation,
+</I>&gt;<i> translating online and offline, up- and downloading translation with
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First step: register yourself at <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then join the projects and we can follow organizing teams, committers and so
+</I>&gt;<i> on.
+</I>
+Teams and committers are organized, we should use the same as with
+Mageia. We should keep this order during training.
+
+Questions are:
+
+How is the workflow with a project
+ - when you use transifex as an online user
+ - when you use transifex as an offline user
+ - when you use transifex when the source is an svn repo (as is with Mageia).
+
+All of this under the prerequisite that you are working in an
+collaborative environment with several team members.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+    <B>Numan DEM&#304;RD&#214;GEN</B> 
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+<PRE>Thanks for your hard work Jerzy. I will check tr.po.
+*  Numan DEM&#304;RD&#214;&#286;EN
+*
+
+
+2011/2/1 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I have finally created two translation projects on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of them is Epoll - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another one - LemonPOS - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have created Epoll project just to test creating a project :) (read my
+</I>&gt;<i> former post). I made hundreds of mistakes and it took me a lot of time to do
+</I>&gt;<i> it (learning is very, very expensive). Now it can be used when source file,
+</I>&gt;<i> i.e. messages.pot is modified and we will have to update translations. For
+</I>&gt;<i> training Epoll is not suitable, because almost all is translated. Well, but
+</I>&gt;<i> when we have more teams...
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW  Turkish tr.po file does not pass &quot;msgfmt -c&quot; test and requires some
+</I>&gt;<i> minor corrections. It looks like syntax error.
+</I>&gt;<i> [Turkish team] please correct it locally and resend to Mageia and to
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex Epoll project. I made a correction to force uploading the file to
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex, but I don't know what I really did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another project is Point of Sale for KDE. I was looking for such
+</I>&gt;<i> application after being asked by friend of mine. It looks promising (app,
+</I>&gt;<i> not a friend). Naturally it needs some adaptation for individual
+</I>&gt;<i> expectations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to the subject. I think we can start together learning cooperation,
+</I>&gt;<i> translating online and offline, up- and downloading translation with
+</I>&gt;<i> transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First step: register yourself at <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then join the projects and we can follow organizing teams, committers and
+</I>&gt;<i> so on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After some sleep I will write small HOWTO concerning secrets of transifex
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Jerzy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Marcello Anni</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have finally created two translation projects on <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+good work Jerzy, thank you!
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, to the subject. I think we can start together learning cooperation,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; translating online and offline, up- and downloading translation with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First step: register yourself at <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then join the projects and we can follow organizing teams, committers and 
+</I>so
+&gt;<i> &gt; on.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Teams and committers are organized, we should use the same as with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia. We should keep this order during training.
+</I>
+italian team isn't organized at all (and it ML is not ready yet), what can i 
+do?
+ 
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Questions are:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> How is the workflow with a project
+</I>&gt;<i>  - when you use transifex as an online user
+</I>&gt;<i>  - when you use transifex as an offline user
+</I>&gt;<i>  - when you use transifex when the source is an svn repo (as is with 
+</I>Mageia).
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> All of this under the prerequisite that you are working in an
+</I>&gt;<i> collaborative environment with several team members.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+is it possible to add also mageia-app-db to transifex? 
+
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+</PRE>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> italian team isn't organized at all (and it ML is not ready yet), what can i
+</I>&gt;<i> do?
+</I>
+What are the problems, can I help in any way? The MLs are not ready
+but this has not been a problem for the other teams to organize.
+
+1. You can communicate here in this list (put a [Italian] in the
+subject) as the French do.
+2. Please chose a team leader and his substitute (who are the
+representatives of the team and coordinate the team's work). One of
+these 2 should be present at meetings of the international team.
+Please give the names of these 2 and their mail address in the next
+meeting.
+3. Organize regular meetings of the Italian team (let sysadmin set a
+channel on IRC: #mageia-i18n-it with the meeting-bot) and insert a
+link to the log in the Mageia wiki.
+
+If you have questions about this don't hesitate to ask here or contact me.
+
+&gt;<i> is it possible to add also mageia-app-db to transifex?
+</I>
+This transifex project is just for training. For the real work there
+will be a transifex system installed on the mageia servers.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+    <B>Thorsten van Lil</B> 
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+<PRE>Hey Jerzy,
+
+thanks for your work.
+
+Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+
+* Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only 
+the coordinator should commit them.
+(* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose 
+translations.)
+* Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the translation?
+
+As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as 
+the maintainer has the power to. :)
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten aka TeaAge
+
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     I have finally created two translation projects on
+</I>&gt;<i>     <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>     One of them is Epoll - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Another one - LemonPOS - <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/lemonpos</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     I have created Epoll project just to test creating a project :)
+</I>&gt;<i>     (read my former post). I made hundreds of mistakes and it took me a
+</I>&gt;<i>     lot of time to do it (learning is very, very expensive). Now it can
+</I>&gt;<i>     be used when source file, i.e. messages.pot is modified and we will
+</I>&gt;<i>     have to update translations. For training Epoll is not suitable,
+</I>&gt;<i>     because almost all is translated. Well, but when we have more teams...
+</I>&gt;<i>     BTW  Turkish tr.po file does not pass &quot;msgfmt -c&quot; test and requires
+</I>&gt;<i>     some minor corrections. It looks like syntax error.
+</I>&gt;<i>     [Turkish team] please correct it locally and resend to Mageia and to
+</I>&gt;<i>     transifex Epoll project. I made a correction to force uploading the
+</I>&gt;<i>     file to transifex, but I don't know what I really did.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Another project is Point of Sale for KDE. I was looking for such
+</I>&gt;<i>     application after being asked by friend of mine. It looks promising
+</I>&gt;<i>     (app, not a friend). Naturally it needs some adaptation for
+</I>&gt;<i>     individual expectations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     So, to the subject. I think we can start together learning
+</I>&gt;<i>     cooperation, translating online and offline, up- and downloading
+</I>&gt;<i>     translation with transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     First step: register yourself at <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net">http://www.transifex.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Then join the projects and we can follow organizing teams,
+</I>&gt;<i>     committers and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     After some sleep I will write small HOWTO concerning secrets of
+</I>&gt;<i>     transifex :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>     Jerzy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>2011/2/1 Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only the
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the translation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as the
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>
+What we actually want to achieve:
+
+ - only team leaders / committers can commit
+ - - they should also coordinate the workflow, meaning: have an eye on
+what is needed, etc.
+ - collaboration on large files
+ - - which means with transifex, that you lock a file only while you
+are working on it and unlock for longer breaks, so others can
+continue.
+ - - files must be visible for all so everybody can do proofreading
+before it is committed
+
+The question is:
+ - does transifex allow for getting a file directly from svn, work on
+it and then put it into transifex for proofreading? If not then all
+must work through transifex (online and offline).
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+<PRE>W dniu 01.02.2011 15:48, Thorsten van Lil pisze:
+&gt;<i> Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but 
+</I>&gt;<i> only the coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose 
+</I>&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the 
+</I>&gt;<i> translation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you 
+</I>&gt;<i> as the maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Thorsten aka TeaAge
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Thorsten,
+
+I am not transifex guru, but will try to explain a bit access control in 
+project.
+
+First, citation from Transiex Help:
+
+&quot;You can control the way people access your project&#8217;s translators using 
+the &#8220;Access Control&#8221; tab on the Project Details page.
+
+You may choose one of the following three options:
+
+    *
+
+      Free for all:
+
+          Choose this option to allow any logged-in (registred) user to
+          submit files to your project. Recommended for quick
+          translations, and when a pre-commit review process is in
+          place, e.g. when contributions are submitted by email or to a
+          separate branch.
+
+    *
+
+      Limited access:
+
+          Give access to specific people. Translations teams will have
+          access to their language&#8217;s files only, and global writers will
+          have access to all translation files. Recommended for most
+          projects.
+
+    *
+
+      Outsourced access:
+
+          Re-use another project&#8217;s teams and writers by trusting access
+          control to that project. If a person can contribute to that
+          project, it can contribute to this one as well. Recommended
+          for non-upstream projects such as distribution packages,
+          desktop environment modules, etc.&quot;
+
+
+
+The projects I have created are under &quot;Limited access&quot;. It means team 
+coordinators and members are allowed to translate online or submit their 
+translations to the project (within team language). So, in your case, it 
+means six people can submit their work without any restrictions.
+Coordinators have rights to manage their team, i.e. add or remove members.
+Since project is of public type, everybody can download translation file 
+and translate it. But the only way to submit new or updated translation 
+is through respective team coordinator/member.
+IMO for teams with experienced translators it is not a problem to give 
+commit privileges for greater number of people. For newer teams is 
+better to set coordinator only for a given project and he(she) will 
+upload them to Transifex.
+Please note, that there is also available discussion on the translation. 
+You can share your doubts with others, agree the solution and update 
+translation. And history of discussion will be stored.
+
+It is similar to KDE translation teams. I am a member of Polish team. 
+All my translations I send via e-mail to team coordinator and she 
+commits them to svn. It works quite fine.
+
+Unlocking translation
+Go to project overview =&gt; project resources =&gt; you will see small 
+padlock. Click the padlock, or tanslation name and unlock translation in 
+pop-up window.
+
+I hope it helps :)
+
+Regards,
+Jerzy aka Jerzy, JerzyT, artusek, grandfather of three 5 to 7 years old 
+experienced linux users :)
+
+
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+
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; translations.)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the
+</I>&gt;<i> translation?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What we actually want to achieve:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  - only team leaders / committers can commit
+</I>&gt;<i>  - - they should also coordinate the workflow, meaning: have an eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> what is needed, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>  - collaboration on large files
+</I>&gt;<i>  - - which means with transifex, that you lock a file only while you
+</I>&gt;<i> are working on it and unlock for longer breaks, so others can
+</I>&gt;<i> continue.
+</I>&gt;<i>  - - files must be visible for all so everybody can do proofreading
+</I>&gt;<i> before it is committed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The question is:
+</I>&gt;<i>  - does transifex allow for getting a file directly from svn, work on
+</I>&gt;<i> it and then put it into transifex for proofreading? If not then all
+</I>&gt;<i> must work through transifex (online and offline).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should, I guess - at least I've seen on Fedora's Transifex (I'm not yet
+</I>friend with Transifex proper...) there is a possibility to upload file and
+IMHO Transifex has no option to check is it the file you have downloaded
+before from there or something else.
+
+--
+&gt;<i> wobo
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+1. Meeting
+
+Thanks to Jerzy's initiative transifex trining has been started. Today
+the German team will have a meeting where TeaAge will report about his
+experiences. Therefore I'd like to have a meeting on next Thursday
+with main focus on tranisfex.
+
+Thursday, February 3, 2011, 18:30 UTC on Freenode.net #mageia-i18n
+
+Topics:
+ - Transifex
+ - Alpha 1 release
+ - Fosdem
+
+2. Upcoming tasks
+
+ - May be there will be a Fosdem announcement today or tomorrow (on
+blog.mageia.org) - this should be localized ASAP (Fosdem starts coming
+Saturday).
+
+ - Alpha 1 release is just around the corner. May be there will be
+announcements within the coming days. Oliver and I will be on the road
+on Friday and at Fosdem for the weekend, so we can not be online as
+often as we want to.
+
+I would like to ask all team leaders of the language teams to care for
+quick translation of the announcements, especially for the blog which
+is in your hands. I don't know what MarCom has in store for the event,
+this will be discussed during the coming days.
+
+Furthermore I want to ask you to spread the announcements about the
+release to all possible media in your language area (news sites,
+friendly websites, etc.) as soon as possible.
+
+We want to make an impact worldwide, people shall know that Mageia is
+alive and the cauldron is sizzling!
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>W dniu 01.02.2011 16:30, Wolfgang Bornath pisze:
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> What we actually want to achieve:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   - only team leaders / committers can commit
+</I>&gt;<i>   - - they should also coordinate the workflow, meaning: have an eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> what is needed, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>   - collaboration on large files
+</I>&gt;<i>   - - which means with transifex, that you lock a file only while you
+</I>&gt;<i> are working on it and unlock for longer breaks, so others can
+</I>&gt;<i> continue.
+</I>I hope my last post clearly explained access to translation files on 
+Transifex.net.
+Members of the team send their translations to coordinators
+&gt;<i>   - - files must be visible for all so everybody can do proofreading
+</I>&gt;<i> before it is committed
+</I>It is possible to add comments to translation strings or discuss the 
+translation within poject/translation.
+In extreme cases it is also possible to create subproject (do within it 
+whatever you want) and agreed version could be submitted to main project 
+by contributor.
+&gt;<i> The question is:
+</I>&gt;<i>   - does transifex allow for getting a file directly from svn, work on
+</I>&gt;<i> it and then put it into transifex for proofreading? If not then all
+</I>&gt;<i> must work through transifex (online and offline).
+</I>Transifex's translation sources can be bound to svn (*.pot files), 
+including auto-update option. Download of translated files (*.po) is 
+also possible (transifex-client). Currently I don't know if it is 
+possible to upload *.po files directly from svn to transifex.
+
+Jerzy
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+<PRE>2011/2/1 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 01.02.2011 16:30, Wolfgang Bornath pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What we actually want to achieve:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- only team leaders / committers can commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - they should also coordinate the workflow, meaning: have an eye on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what is needed, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- collaboration on large files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - which means with transifex, that you lock a file only while you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are working on it and unlock for longer breaks, so others can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope my last post clearly explained access to translation files on
+</I>&gt;<i> Transifex.net.
+</I>&gt;<i> Members of the team send their translations to coordinators
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - files must be visible for all so everybody can do proofreading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before it is committed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is possible to add comments to translation strings or discuss the
+</I>&gt;<i> translation within poject/translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> In extreme cases it is also possible to create subproject (do within it
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever you want) and agreed version could be submitted to main project by
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The question is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- does transifex allow for getting a file directly from svn, work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it and then put it into transifex for proofreading? If not then all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must work through transifex (online and offline).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Transifex's translation sources can be bound to svn (*.pot files), including
+</I>&gt;<i> auto-update option. Download of translated files (*.po) is also possible
+</I>&gt;<i> (transifex-client). Currently I don't know if it is possible to upload *.po
+</I>&gt;<i> files directly from svn to transifex.
+</I>
+Thx, this is good enough. As we have only 2 committers per team these
+committers can be &quot;forced&quot; to use transifex for committing - if
+necessary.
+
+As I just announced we will have a meeting on Thursday with main focus
+on transifex.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 01.02.2011 16:30, Wolfgang Bornath pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  2011/2/1 Thorsten van Lil&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What we actually want to achieve:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - only team leaders / committers can commit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - - they should also coordinate the workflow, meaning: have an eye on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what is needed, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - collaboration on large files
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - - which means with transifex, that you lock a file only while you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are working on it and unlock for longer breaks, so others can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope my last post clearly explained access to translation files on
+</I>&gt;<i> Transifex.net.
+</I>&gt;<i> Members of the team send their translations to coordinators
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   - - files must be visible for all so everybody can do proofreading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> before it is committed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is possible to add comments to translation strings or discuss the
+</I>&gt;<i> translation within poject/translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> In extreme cases it is also possible to create subproject (do within it
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever you want) and agreed version could be submitted to main project by
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  The question is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  - does transifex allow for getting a file directly from svn, work on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it and then put it into transifex for proofreading? If not then all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must work through transifex (online and offline).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Transifex's translation sources can be bound to svn (*.pot files),
+</I>&gt;<i> including auto-update option. Download of translated files (*.po) is also
+</I>&gt;<i> possible (transifex-client). Currently I don't know if it is possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> upload *.po files directly from svn to transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I now superficially looked at Transifex proper and there is a option
+</I>&quot;Upload file&quot; - so yes, if you have worked with the file you get from SVN it
+should be possible to upload it to the Transifex.
+
+Marek Laane
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+Jerzy
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+I just came across the last blog entry in french and I would like to
+suggest some improvements of the current translation
+(<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330</A>)
+
+1) installeur d&#8217;applications: sorry, even though the translation is
+correct, I find it ugly and imprecise, because the goal is not only to
+_install_ applications but also to get metadata, interact with ratings,
+comments.
+
+proposition: gestionnaire d&#8217;applications
+
+2) &#8220;bien que nous pensions que cela sera une innovation importante pour le
+logiciel libre&#8221; : s/pensions/pensons/, otherwise it would mean we don&#8217;t
+think that anymore
+
+3) &#8220;confiant dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices&#8221; : confiant pour.
+
+Thanks in advance,
+
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Hello there,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I just came across the last blog entry in french and I would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest some improvements of the current translation
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) installeur d&#8217;applications: sorry, even though the translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> correct, I find it ugly and imprecise, because the goal is not only to
+</I>&gt;<i> _install_ applications but also to get metadata, interact with ratings,
+</I>&gt;<i> comments.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> proposition: gestionnaire d&#8217;applications
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) &#8220;bien que nous pensions que cela sera une innovation importante pour le
+</I>&gt;<i> logiciel libre&#8221; : s/pensions/pensons/, otherwise it would mean we don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;<i> think that anymore
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) &#8220;confiant dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices&#8221; : confiant pour.
+</I>
+I would also say that &quot;congr&#233;s&quot; is not really what i would have used,
+given the fact we were like 15 peoples present :)
+
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+&gt;<i> Bonjour &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour bien commencer le mois de f&#233;vrier, je vous invite tous &#224; notre
+</I>&gt;<i> prochaine r&#233;union demain soir, sur notre salon IRC habituel.
+</I>&gt;<i> La r&#233;union devrait &#234;tre assez br&#232;ve. Je vais essayer de vous envoyer
+</I>&gt;<i> un ordre du jour d'ici ce soir.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cordialement
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne / Jehane
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+</I>&gt;<i> Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</I>Voici l'ordre du jour au programme :
+
+Bac &#224; sable Transifex
+Traduction des statuts (du fran&#231;ais vers l'anglais)
+FOSDEM
+
+Marianne
+
+PS ; meeting &#224; 21h sur #mageia-i18n-fr
+
+-- 
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+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+    <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B> 
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+&gt;<i> I would like to ask all team leaders of the  language teams to care for
+</I>&gt;<i> quick translation of the announcements, especially  for the blog which
+</I>&gt;<i> is in your hands. I don't know what MarCom has in store  for the event,
+</I>&gt;<i> this will be discussed during the coming  days.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore I want to ask you to spread the announcements about  the
+</I>&gt;<i> release to all possible media in your language area (news  sites,
+</I>&gt;<i> friendly websites, etc.) as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We want to make  an impact worldwide, people shall know that Mageia is
+</I>&gt;<i> alive and the cauldron  is sizzling!
+</I>
+As we say in my country, better later than never :)
+Unfortunately we're firstly aiming at the (former) Mandriva community and 
+they're busy now with the MTP2011. It give them wings as far as I see and I 
+share this joy with them.
+Being the second one isn't an easy task, but is doable.
+
+I'll translate as quick as possible and also post an announcement on MDV 
+community.
+But why not to choose all the features of Web 2.0, like Facebook and Tweeter to 
+create the buzz?
+It'll be nice to have also on YouTube a filmed demo with one of Mageia staff 
+members installing and using the Alpha version.
+
+I'll install it on my laptop and use it in the train, when going to work, to 
+impress people.
+It'll be nice to have T-shirts, badges and stickers too.  I'd also love a 
+wallpaper to put it on my office desktop :)
+
+Everything is in marketing. But I think I'm getting a little off-topic here.
+
+Sure wobo, I'll do (ALL) that I can :)
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
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+&gt;<i> Hello there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just came across the last blog entry in french and I would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest some improvements of the current translation
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/?p=330</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) installeur d&#8217;applications: sorry, even though the translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> correct, I find it ugly and imprecise, because the goal is not only to
+</I>&gt;<i> _install_ applications but also to get metadata, interact with ratings,
+</I>&gt;<i> comments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> proposition: gestionnaire d&#8217;applications
+</I>
+I agree with that and will change the translation.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) &#8220;bien que nous pensions que cela sera une innovation importante pour le
+</I>&gt;<i> logiciel libre&#8221; : s/pensions/pensons/, otherwise it would mean we don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;<i> think that anymore
+</I>
+&quot;Bien que&quot; must be followed by a subjunctive, and the present tense in
+the subjunctive mode is &quot;pensions&quot; for &quot;penser&quot;.
+Though I agree it can be misunderstood, since we're more used to the
+indicative mode. I'll try to find an equivalent.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) &#8220;confiant dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices&#8221; : confiant pour.
+</I>
+I can't see how &quot;pour&quot; would be better than &quot;dans&quot; in that phrase.
+Actually I'm not really satisfied with &quot;confiant dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices&quot;
+either, but I don't think that &quot;confiant pour les b&#233;n&#233;fices&quot; would be
+better.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;my CLOUARD
+</I>&gt;<i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
+</I>&gt;<i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
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+&gt;<i> I would also say that &quot;congr&#233;s&quot; is not really what i would have used,
+</I>&gt;<i> given the fact we were like 15 peoples present :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's true that the term is inappropriate. I don't know why, but I
+thought that &quot;r&#233;union&quot; was not a great translation (though the term
+used in English was &quot;meeting&quot;) and searched for something that would
+better fit the situation, given it was a kind of symposium. &quot;Congr&#232;s&quot;
+came to my mind and I just checked on Wikipedia to see if it would be
+correct. The first sentence of the article being &quot;Congr&#232;s est un terme
+g&#233;n&#233;ral pour d&#233;signer une r&#233;union solennelle ou une assembl&#233;e de
+personnes comp&#233;tentes pour d&#233;battre d'une question.&quot;, I thought it
+applied to the situation.
+
+I just searched for &quot;congr&#232;s&quot; on the CNRTL and you're right, the
+meeting in Nuremberg was totally not a &quot;congr&#232;s&quot;.
+
+I'll change that too.
+
+Thanks to both of you for these adjustments.
+
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>2011/2/1 Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we say in my country, better later than never :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately we're firstly aiming at the (former) Mandriva community and
+</I>&gt;<i> they're busy now with the MTP2011. It give them wings as far as I see and I
+</I>&gt;<i> share this joy with them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Being the second one isn't an easy task, but is doable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll translate as quick as possible and also post an announcement on MDV
+</I>&gt;<i> community.
+</I>&gt;<i> But why not to choose all the features of Web 2.0, like Facebook and Tweeter to
+</I>&gt;<i> create the buzz?
+</I>&gt;<i> It'll be nice to have also on YouTube a filmed demo with one of Mageia staff
+</I>&gt;<i> members installing and using the Alpha version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll install it on my laptop and use it in the train, when going to work, to
+</I>&gt;<i> impress people.
+</I>&gt;<i> It'll be nice to have T-shirts, badges and stickers too. &#160;I'd also love a
+</I>&gt;<i> wallpaper to put it on my office desktop :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is in marketing. But I think I'm getting a little off-topic here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure wobo, I'll do (ALL) that I can :)
+</I>
+All this will surely happen with one of the next releases - NOT with this one!
+
+May be you missed it, but this release IS NOT FOR USE by normal users!
+It is an ALPHA release, meaning, it is a developper release, testing
+the main components.
+
+What we will spread is not something like &quot;Look what a fine distro we
+have here!&quot;
+
+What we will spread is a signal that
+ - Mageia has started their productive stage.
+ - we try to keep our promises.
+ - Mageia is not vaporware, it really exists.
+
+Again: over all announcements will flash a red light: NOT FOR USE! We
+do know that there will be a certain kind of users who will skip such
+warnings and then try to flood us with &quot;Why does $foo has such a
+lpousy icon, why is $bar not working as in Mandriva&quot;, etc. The irony
+is that there is no platform yet where they could flood us. :)
+
+So, yes, we want to announce it but not with all the bells&amp;whistles,
+rather as a pure technical matter, aimed at developpers and
+contributors, not for the common users.
+
+This kind of warning must be included everywhere when we talk about
+this release.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 02 f&#233;vrier 2011 00:03:44, R&#233;mi Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/1 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would also say that &quot;congr&#233;s&quot; is not really what i would have used,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; given the fact we were like 15 peoples present :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> It's true that the term is inappropriate. I don't know why, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> thought that &quot;r&#233;union&quot; was not a great translation (though the term
+</I>&gt;<i> used in English was &quot;meeting&quot;) and searched for something that would
+</I>&gt;<i> better fit the situation, given it was a kind of symposium. &quot;Congr&#232;s&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> came to my mind and I just checked on Wikipedia to see if it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> correct. The first sentence of the article being &quot;Congr&#232;s est un terme
+</I>&gt;<i> g&#233;n&#233;ral pour d&#233;signer une r&#233;union solennelle ou une assembl&#233;e de
+</I>&gt;<i> personnes comp&#233;tentes pour d&#233;battre d'une question.&quot;, I thought it
+</I>&gt;<i> applied to the situation.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I just searched for &quot;congr&#232;s&quot; on the CNRTL and you're right, the
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting in Nuremberg was totally not a &quot;congr&#232;s&quot;.
+</I>
+pourquoi pas r&#233;union (c'est neutre) 
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll change that too.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to both of you for these adjustments.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;mi
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+original :
+
+Now, the important question is what it would mean for us. First of all, while we 
+think it will be an important innovation for free software and Mageia, I didn&#8217;t 
+plan to have it adopted without discussing with other members, but I am quite 
+confident that we can benefit from the work that will be done in the coming 
+months. Among the various tasks, we have some python/php/perl programming ( 
+either on Packagekit side, Mageia-app-db side or Ubuntu software center side ), 
+some packaging, and maybe some system administration later. So if you are 
+interested in helping with that or have questions, we will discuss this during 
+the weekly packagers&#8217; meeting on 26/01/11 on the #mageia-dev IRC channel on 
+Freenode.
+
+
+
+premi&#232;re traduction que je trouve un peu lourde par endroit.
+
+Maintenant, la question importante est ce que cela va signifier pour nous. 
+Premi&#232;rement, m&#234;me si nous pensons que cela sera une innovation importante pour 
+le logiciel libre et pour Mageia, je n&#8217;ai pas pr&#233;vu de la faire adopter sans 
+discussion pr&#233;alable avec d&#8217;autres membres. Cependant je suis plut&#244;t confiant 
+dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices qu&#8217;aura pour Mageia le travail qui va &#234;tre effectu&#233; dans les 
+prochains mois. Parmi les diff&#233;rentes t&#226;ches li&#233;es &#224; ce projet, nous aurons de la 
+programmation python/php/perl (du c&#244;t&#233; de PackageKit, de Mageia-app-db ou 
+d&#8217;Ubuntu software center), du packaging, et peut-&#234;tre plus tard de 
+l&#8217;administration syst&#232;me. Alors si vous &#234;tes int&#233;ress&#233;s par apporter votre aide 
+au projet, ou si vous avez des questions, nous parlerons de ce point pendant la 
+r&#233;union hebdomadaire des packagers du 26/01/2011 sur le canal IRC #mageia-dev de 
+Freenode.
+
+
+Proposition 2 
+
+
+
+Maintenant, la question importante est de voir ce que cela va signifier pour 
+nous. Avant tout, nous pensons qu'il s'agit d'une avanc&#233;e importante pour le 
+logiciel libre et Mage&#239;a. Je n'ai pas pour intention que ce soit adopt&#233; sans 
+discussion avec les autres membres, mais je suis tout &#224; fait confiant que nous 
+pourrons (pourrions)  b&#233;n&#233;ficier du travail qui sera fait dans les prochains 
+mois. Parmi ces nombreuses t&#226;ches, nous aurons de la programmation 
+python/php/perl (du c&#244;t&#233; de PackageKit, de Mageia-app-db ou d&#8217;Ubuntu software 
+center), du packaging, et peut-&#234;tre plus tard, de l&#8217;administration syst&#232;me. 
+Aussi, si vous voulez aider en participant au projet, ou si vous avez des 
+questions, nous aborderons tout cela lors de la r&#233;union hebdomadaire des 
+packagers le 26/01/2011 sur le canal IRC #mageia-dev de Freenode.
+-- 
+Julia Jumeau
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 2 f&#233;vrier 2011 12:52, Julia Jumeau &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">julia.jumeau at orange.fr</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> original :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, the important question is what it would mean for us. First of all,
+</I>&gt;<i> while we think it will be an important innovation for free software and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, I didn&#8217;t plan to have it adopted without discussing with other
+</I>&gt;<i> members, but I am quite confident that we can benefit from the work that
+</I>&gt;<i> will be done in the coming months. Among the various tasks, we have some
+</I>&gt;<i> python/php/perl programming ( either on Packagekit side, Mageia-app-db side
+</I>&gt;<i> or Ubuntu software center side ), some packaging, and maybe some system
+</I>&gt;<i> administration later. So if you are interested in helping with that or have
+</I>&gt;<i> questions, we will discuss this during the weekly packagers&#8217; meeting on
+</I>&gt;<i> 26/01/11 on&#160;the #mageia-dev IRC channel on Freenode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Proposition 2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maintenant, la question importante est de voir ce que cela va signifier pour
+</I>&gt;<i> nous. Avant tout, nous pensons qu'il s'agit d'une avanc&#233;e importante pour le
+</I>&gt;<i> logiciel libre et Mage&#239;a. Je n'ai pas pour intention que ce soit adopt&#233; sans
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion avec les autres membres, mais je suis tout &#224; fait confiant que
+</I>&gt;<i> nous pourrons (pourrions) b&#233;n&#233;ficier du travail qui sera fait dans les
+</I>&gt;<i> prochains mois. Parmi ces nombreuses t&#226;ches, nous aurons de la programmation
+</I>&gt;<i> python/php/perl (du c&#244;t&#233; de PackageKit, de Mageia-app-db ou d&#8217;Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;<i> software center), du packaging, et peut-&#234;tre plus tard, de l&#8217;administration
+</I>&gt;<i> syst&#232;me. Aussi, si vous voulez aider en participant au projet, ou si vous
+</I>&gt;<i> avez des questions, nous aborderons tout cela lors de la r&#233;union
+</I>&gt;<i> hebdomadaire des packagers le 26/01/2011 sur le canal IRC #mageia-dev de
+</I>&gt;<i> Freenode.
+</I>
+Since these updates to the translation on the French blog are not
+really relevant to those who do not speak French, I will continue in
+French. Sorry for the inconvenience, it should stop when the ML is
+ready.
+
+Ta proposition apporte beaucoup plus de fluidit&#233; &#224; ce paragraphe qui,
+je l'avoue, &#233;tait assez lourd.
+Je comptais bien sur les relecteurs pour am&#233;liorer le texte fran&#231;ais,
+m'&#233;tant moi-m&#234;me surtout concentr&#233; sur la traduction (je trouve qu'il
+est alors assez difficile de se d&#233;tacher du texte pour changer les
+tournures lorsque l'on a le texte original en m&#233;moire).
+
+J'ai pris une bonne partie du paragraphe que tu proposes, &#224; part le
+passage &quot;mais je suis tout &#224; fait confiant que nous pourrions&quot;, que je
+trouve plus lourd que la version pr&#233;c&#233;dente. &quot;Confiant que&quot; ne me
+semble pas correct, du moins la formulation me d&#233;range.
+Comme je n'&#233;tais pas non plus particuli&#232;rement satisfait par mon
+&quot;confiant dans les b&#233;n&#233;fices&quot; (ni par le &quot;confiant pour&quot; que proposait
+R&#233;my), je propose cette formulation :&quot;Cependant, je n'ai pas pr&#233;vu de
+faire adopter ce projet sans discussion pr&#233;alable avec d'autres
+membres, bien que je sois plut&#244;t confiant vis-&#224;-vis des b&#233;n&#233;fices
+qu'aura pour Mageia le travail qui va &#234;tre effectu&#233; dans les prochains
+mois.&quot;
+L'autre solution est de remplacer &quot;confiant&quot; par un autre verbe qui
+permettra plus de souplesse, car je pense que &quot;&#234;tre confiant&quot; et &quot;to
+be confident&quot; ne s'utilisent pas avec les m&#234;mes structures de phrase.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Julia Jumeau
+</I>
+Merci beaucoup pour ces ajouts,
+R&#233;mi
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+    <B>lebarhon</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 01/02/2011 23:54, R&#233;mi Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) &#8220;bien que nous pensions que cela sera une innovation importante pour le
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logiciel libre&#8221; : s/pensions/pensons/, otherwise it would mean we don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think that anymore
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Bien que&quot; must be followed by a subjunctive, and the present tense in
+</I>&gt;<i> the subjunctive mode is &quot;pensions&quot; for &quot;penser&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Though I agree it can be misunderstood, since we're more used to the
+</I>&gt;<i> indicative mode. I'll try to find an equivalent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;my CLOUARD
+</I>&gt;<i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
+</I>&gt;<i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>You are right R&#233;my about &quot;bien que&quot; and the subjonctive and I was 
+pleased you didn't screw up. But be careful, &quot;Si bien que&quot; is followed 
+by the indicative mode. Fucking French grammar !
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+    <B>Anne nicolas</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+Here is a mail from a spanish guy asking for information. Could we have
+translation and help to answer him ?
+
+Cheers
+
+2011/2/3 Frank Davila
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">notification+zrdoe6vi16cf at facebookmail.com</A>&lt;notification%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">2Bzrdoe6vi16cf at facebookmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>  facebook
+</I>&gt;<i>  Frank Davila
+</I>&gt;<i> 02 de febrero de 2011 15:15
+</I>&gt;<i> Sugerencias
+</I>&gt;<i> Para <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">mageia-contact at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hola, estoy interesado en su proyecto y quer&#237;a rese&#241;arles algunas mejoras
+</I>&gt;<i> que tal vez seria bueno tomar en cuenta.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Que en el instalador de la distro a la hora de especificar el soporte
+</I>&gt;<i> del instalador evite dar errores cuando se selecciona el cd-rom, ya que
+</I>&gt;<i> se&#241;ala al cd-rom y ademas la via de ftp y http como soportes pero al
+</I>&gt;<i> seleccionar cd-rom da error.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Que a la hora de actualizar se de prioridad a la descarga de los
+</I>&gt;<i> paquetes primero, para despu&#233;s hacer la instalaci&#243;n, algo que podr&#237;an a&#241;adir
+</I>&gt;<i> es la posibilidad de que los paquetes de actualizaci&#243;n sean descargados en
+</I>&gt;<i> un directorio que sirva de reserva de dichos paquetes y que se pueda apagar
+</I>&gt;<i> la pc con los paquetes descargados y despu&#233;s hacer la actualizaci&#243;n de la
+</I>&gt;<i> distro, ya que mandriva en la actualizaci&#243;n descarga paquetes e instala al
+</I>&gt;<i> mismo tiempo, haciendo perder el tiempo en esa tarea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para responder a este mensaje, sigue este enlace:
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+<PRE>2011/2/1 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> W dniu 01.02.2011 15:48, Thorsten van Lil pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>  Hey Jerzy,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thanks for your work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you know if there is an option to achieve the following behaviour:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Every team-member should be able to propose new translations, but only
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the coordinator should commit them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (* Also interesting could be, if also not team-member can propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translations.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Is it possible to work on an translation without locking the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I don't find such settings in the German team profile, I think you as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the maintainer has the power to. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thorsten aka TeaAge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Thorsten,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not transifex guru, but will try to explain a bit access control in
+</I>&gt;<i> project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, citation from Transiex Help:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;You can control the way people access your project&#8217;s translators using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;Access Control&#8221; tab on the Project Details page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You may choose one of the following three options:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   *
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Free for all:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         Choose this option to allow any logged-in (registred) user to
+</I>&gt;<i>         submit files to your project. Recommended for quick
+</I>&gt;<i>         translations, and when a pre-commit review process is in
+</I>&gt;<i>         place, e.g. when contributions are submitted by email or to a
+</I>&gt;<i>         separate branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   *
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Limited access:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         Give access to specific people. Translations teams will have
+</I>&gt;<i>         access to their language&#8217;s files only, and global writers will
+</I>&gt;<i>         have access to all translation files. Recommended for most
+</I>&gt;<i>         projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>   *
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>     Outsourced access:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>         Re-use another project&#8217;s teams and writers by trusting access
+</I>&gt;<i>         control to that project. If a person can contribute to that
+</I>&gt;<i>         project, it can contribute to this one as well. Recommended
+</I>&gt;<i>         for non-upstream projects such as distribution packages,
+</I>&gt;<i>         desktop environment modules, etc.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The projects I have created are under &quot;Limited access&quot;. It means team
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinators and members are allowed to translate online or submit their
+</I>&gt;<i> translations to the project (within team language). So, in your case, it
+</I>&gt;<i> means six people can submit their work without any restrictions.
+</I>&gt;<i> Coordinators have rights to manage their team, i.e. add or remove members.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since project is of public type, everybody can download translation file
+</I>&gt;<i> and translate it. But the only way to submit new or updated translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> through respective team coordinator/member.
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO for teams with experienced translators it is not a problem to give
+</I>&gt;<i> commit privileges for greater number of people. For newer teams is better to
+</I>&gt;<i> set coordinator only for a given project and he(she) will upload them to
+</I>&gt;<i> Transifex.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please note, that there is also available discussion on the translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can share your doubts with others, agree the solution and update
+</I>&gt;<i> translation. And history of discussion will be stored.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is similar to KDE translation teams. I am a member of Polish team. All
+</I>&gt;<i> my translations I send via e-mail to team coordinator and she commits them
+</I>&gt;<i> to svn. It works quite fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unlocking translation
+</I>&gt;<i> Go to project overview =&gt; project resources =&gt; you will see small padlock.
+</I>&gt;<i> Click the padlock, or tanslation name and unlock translation in pop-up
+</I>&gt;<i> window.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope it helps :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Jerzy aka Jerzy, JerzyT, artusek, grandfather of three 5 to 7 years old
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced linux users :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing I'm not sure is that it seems to be impossible to do online
+</I>translation or at least change something if you have file 100% translated.
+At least when I clicked on Estonian (as coordinator of Estonian team I
+should have the right to change the file, shouldn't I?) and then &quot;Translate
+now&quot; I did get just statistics and a bar with entries &quot;Source string&quot; and
+&quot;Translation&quot; but not the strings themselves. And more, nor &quot;Save all&quot;
+neither &quot;Save and Exit&quot; button didn't do anything, only way to go back was
+to click &quot; I18N
+(Epoll)&lt;<A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/</A>&gt;&quot;
+link up there. Of course, I could choose &quot;View strings online&quot; and then look
+at them but there was no chance to change them neither...
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+<PRE>2011/2/2 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is a mail from a spanish guy asking for information. Could we have
+</I>&gt;<i> translation and help to answer him ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/2/3 Frank Davila &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">notification+zrdoe6vi16cf at facebookmail.com</A>&lt;notification%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">2Bzrdoe6vi16cf at facebookmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  facebook
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>   Frank Davila
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 02 de febrero de 2011 15:15
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sugerencias
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Para <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">mageia-contact at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hola, estoy interesado en su proyecto y quer&#237;a rese&#241;arles algunas mejoras
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> que tal vez seria bueno tomar en cuenta.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Que en el instalador de la distro a la hora de especificar el soporte
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> del instalador evite dar errores cuando se selecciona el cd-rom, ya que
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> se&#241;ala al cd-rom y ademas la via de ftp y http como soportes pero al
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seleccionar cd-rom da error.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Que a la hora de actualizar se de prioridad a la descarga de los
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> paquetes primero, para despu&#233;s hacer la instalaci&#243;n, algo que podr&#237;an a&#241;adir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> es la posibilidad de que los paquetes de actualizaci&#243;n sean descargados en
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> un directorio que sirva de reserva de dichos paquetes y que se pueda apagar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> la pc con los paquetes descargados y despu&#233;s hacer la actualizaci&#243;n de la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro, ya que mandriva en la actualizaci&#243;n descarga paquetes e instala al
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mismo tiempo, haciendo perder el tiempo en esa tarea.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Para responder a este mensaje, sigue este enlace:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1641580325&amp;k=ZYA43VWXW2TF6BD1PK36VWXRTRIB4TYB34ERB&amp;oid=1772093829489">http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1641580325&amp;k=ZYA43VWXW2TF6BD1PK36VWXRTRIB4TYB34ERB&amp;oid=1772093829489</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Si no quieres recibir este tipo de mensajes de Facebook, haz clic aqu&#237;para borrar tu nombre de la lista de personas suscritas.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi all,
+
+Here is the translation:
+
+-----------
+Hi, I'm interested in your project and I would like to propose some
+improvements which might be good to be taken into account.
+
+1.- The installer, when specifying the media of the installer, avoids to
+give errors when the CD-ROM is selected. It shows the CD-ROM, ftp and http
+media but when selecting the CD-ROM it gives an error.
+2.- When updating, give priority to the download of packages and then
+install them. An option you could add is the possibility to download update
+packages in some directory working as a temporary storage of those packages
+so you can turn the PC off after downloading and do the update later when
+turning the computer on again, because Mandriva currently downloads and
+installs packages at the same time, which is a waste of time in that task.
+
+
+-----------
+
+Regards,
+
+
+-- 
+Diego Bello Carre&#241;o
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+    <B>Jerzy Trzeciak</B> 
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+<PRE>One thing I'm not sure is that it seems to be impossible to do online 
+translation or at least change something if you have file 100% 
+translated. At least when I clicked on Estonian (as coordinator of 
+Estonian team I should have the right to change the file, shouldn't I?) 
+and then &quot;Translate now&quot; I did get just statistics and a bar with 
+entries &quot;Source string&quot; and &quot;Translation&quot; but not the strings 
+themselves. And more, nor &quot;Save all&quot; neither &quot;Save and Exit&quot; button 
+didn't do anything, only way to go back was to click &quot;I18N (Epoll) 
+&lt;<A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/</A>&gt;&quot; link up 
+there. Of course, I could choose &quot;View strings online&quot; and then look at 
+them but there was no chance to change them neither...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marek Laane
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>After I click &quot;Translate now&quot; button, I can edit strings of  any 100% 
+translated file for translation.
+Please check (the same window as &quot;Translate button&quot;, if the translation 
+is locked. After unlocking file, you can edit file again.
+I hope it will work.
+
+Jerzy
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/2/3 Jerzy Trzeciak &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">artusek at wp.pl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> One thing I'm not sure is that it seems to be impossible to do online
+</I>&gt;<i> translation or at least change something if you have file 100% translated.
+</I>&gt;<i> At least when I clicked on Estonian (as coordinator of Estonian team I
+</I>&gt;<i> should have the right to change the file, shouldn't I?) and then &quot;Translate
+</I>&gt;<i> now&quot; I did get just statistics and a bar with entries &quot;Source string&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Translation&quot; but not the strings themselves. And more, nor &quot;Save all&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> neither &quot;Save and Exit&quot; button didn't do anything, only way to go back was
+</I>&gt;<i> to click &quot;I18N (Epoll)
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/</A>&gt;&quot; link up there.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, I could choose &quot;View strings online&quot; and then look at them but
+</I>&gt;<i> there was no chance to change them neither...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marek Laane
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After I click &quot;Translate now&quot; button, I can edit strings of &#160;any 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> translated file for translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please check (the same window as &quot;Translate button&quot;, if the translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> locked. After unlocking file, you can edit file again.
+</I>
+This has to be investigated.
+A file should only be unlocked by the same person who locked it. And
+the admin and by automatic unlocking because of idle time limit (like
+in the doku wiki).
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+
+&gt;<i> One thing I'm not sure is that it seems to be impossible to do online
+</I>&gt;<i> translation or at least change something if you have file 100% translated.
+</I>&gt;<i> At least when I clicked on Estonian (as coordinator of Estonian team I
+</I>&gt;<i> should have the right to change the file, shouldn't I?) and then &quot;Translate
+</I>&gt;<i> now&quot; I did get just statistics and a bar with entries &quot;Source string&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Translation&quot; but not the strings themselves. And more, nor &quot;Save all&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> neither &quot;Save and Exit&quot; button didn't do anything, only way to go back was
+</I>&gt;<i> to click &quot;I18N (Epoll) &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/">http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/epoll/resource/I18N/</A>&gt;&quot; link up there.
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, I could choose &quot;View strings online&quot; and then look at them but
+</I>&gt;<i> there was no chance to change them neither...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marek Laane
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>  After I click &quot;Translate now&quot; button, I can edit strings of  any 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> translated file for translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please check (the same window as &quot;Translate button&quot;, if the translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> locked. After unlocking file, you can edit file again.
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope it will work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jerzy
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, now it worked though I didn't do anything differently. Maybe it was
+just some glitch, hopefully not returning...
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+    <B>Oliver Burger</B> 
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+sorry for not attending last meeting. I didn't get home (I don't work 
+in the same city, I live and drive home over the weekend) in time due 
+to some last minute stuff I had to attend before I go off to FOSDEM 
+tomorrow.
+
+I will read up what happenend in the ML and on the log. And I hope, 
+wobo will fill me in over the weekend in Bruxelles!
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+    <B>Adjamilton J&#250;nior</B> 
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+I could not attend the meeting today because I traveled.
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+    <B>lebarhon</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 31/01/2011 13:22, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just to make it known: The page exists and translation has begun.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>There is some mistakes in the French statutes. I have marked them in the 
+Mageia_org_statutes_en wiki page, sometimes in the French part, 
+sometimes in the English one and sometimes in both. If somebody can have 
+a look ?
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/2/6 lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 31/01/2011 13:22, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to make it known: The page exists and translation has begun.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is some mistakes in the French statutes. I have marked them in the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia_org_statutes_en wiki page, sometimes in the French part, sometimes in
+</I>&gt;<i> the English one and sometimes in both. If somebody can have a look ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So far, when I met some typos or mistakes in the French statutes,
+I modified the page megaia_org_statutes directly.
+
+I don't know if that is a good solution but since there is a revision
+system in the wiki,
+we can compare the first revision to the last one to see what has been modified.
+
+The few changes I made were mainly ponctuation or typos.
+
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Le 06/02/2011 21:04, R&#233;mi Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 lebarhon&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 31/01/2011 13:22, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just to make it known: The page exists and translation has begun.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is some mistakes in the French statutes. I have marked them in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia_org_statutes_en wiki page, sometimes in the French part, sometimes in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the English one and sometimes in both. If somebody can have a look ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, when I met some typos or mistakes in the French statutes,
+</I>&gt;<i> I modified the page megaia_org_statutes directly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if that is a good solution but since there is a revision
+</I>&gt;<i> system in the wiki,
+</I>&gt;<i> we can compare the first revision to the last one to see what has been modified.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The few changes I made were mainly ponctuation or typos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;mi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses, 
+omissions, vagueness...
+It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English 
+version improving.
+</PRE>
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+<PRE>On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 21:49, lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English
+</I>&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>
+Do you refer to such issues in the original (reference) French
+version, or in the current translation work towards English?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/2/6 lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English
+</I>&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>
+2 points:
+
+1. It is good and important that misuse or wrong spelling of words are
+reported. But the French original version is not just a text like blog
+entries or website contents. It is a legally binding document, so it
+can not easyly be changed like the other texts.
+
+2. The english version has no legal status at all, it is not legally
+binding, it's contents can not be used in legal discussions - it is
+only a translation for the international readers to understand what
+the official statutes are talking about.
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2011/2/6 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 points:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. It is good and important that misuse or wrong spelling of words are
+</I>&gt;<i> reported. But the French original version is not just a text like blog
+</I>&gt;<i> entries or website contents. It is a legally binding document, so it
+</I>&gt;<i> can not easyly be changed like the other texts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. The english version has no legal status at all, it is not legally
+</I>&gt;<i> binding, it's contents can not be used in legal discussions - it is
+</I>&gt;<i> only a translation for the international readers to understand what
+</I>&gt;<i> the official statutes are talking about.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+that the French document can be updated?
+
+If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+
+Cheers,
+R&#233;mi
+</PRE>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/2/7 R&#233;mi Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">rverschelde at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2 points:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. It is good and important that misuse or wrong spelling of words are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reported. But the French original version is not just a text like blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> entries or website contents. It is a legally binding document, so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can not easyly be changed like the other texts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. The english version has no legal status at all, it is not legally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binding, it's contents can not be used in legal discussions - it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only a translation for the international readers to understand what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the official statutes are talking about.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+</I>&gt;<i> legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+</I>&gt;<i> and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+</I>&gt;<i> of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+</I>&gt;<i> that the French document can be updated?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+</I>
+IMHO this is a very good idea. The original version should be restored
+and this way you can provide the people in charge with the complete
+list of improvement suggestions.
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le 07/02/2011 13:09, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/7 R&#233;mi Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">rverschelde at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 lebarhon&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the English
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>          
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2 points:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. It is good and important that misuse or wrong spelling of words are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reported. But the French original version is not just a text like blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entries or website contents. It is a legally binding document, so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can not easyly be changed like the other texts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. The english version has no legal status at all, it is not legally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> binding, it's contents can not be used in legal discussions - it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only a translation for the international readers to understand what
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the official statutes are talking about.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the French document can be updated?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO this is a very good idea. The original version should be restored
+</I>&gt;<i> and this way you can provide the people in charge with the complete
+</I>&gt;<i> list of improvement suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>The fact is, to translate a text, the original must be perfectly 
+understanded and translation is an excellent proofreading. The web page 
+mageia_org_statutes_en still have the French text with comments in italic.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>2011/2/7 lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 07/02/2011 13:09, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/7 R&#233;mi Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">rverschelde at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/6 lebarhon&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> No, it is about the content, misuse of words, repetition of clauses,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> omissions, vagueness...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It isn't a problem so far, corrections can be brought during the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> English
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> version improving.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2 points:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. It is good and important that misuse or wrong spelling of words are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reported. But the French original version is not just a text like blog
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entries or website contents. It is a legally binding document, so it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can not easyly be changed like the other texts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. The english version has no legal status at all, it is not legally
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> binding, it's contents can not be used in legal discussions - it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only a translation for the international readers to understand what
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the official statutes are talking about.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that the French document can be updated?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO this is a very good idea. The original version should be restored
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and this way you can provide the people in charge with the complete
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list of improvement suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact is, to translate a text, the original must be perfectly
+</I>&gt;<i> understanded and translation is an excellent proofreading.
+</I>
+Yes, this matches my own experience with manuals and press releases.
+So, in the end this idea to translate the statutes was a good idea
+with a benefit :)
+
+-- 
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+</I>&gt;<i> legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+</I>&gt;<i> and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+</I>&gt;<i> of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+</I>&gt;<i> that the French document can be updated?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+</I>
+I reported about this in the founder's meeting. I will have to report
+back to them when you have finished &quot;French proofreading&quot;
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+-- 
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+a translated version? Anyway, here it is, re-sending.
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+Eugeny &quot;luciform&quot; Rozhkov
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+&gt;<i> Hello, I noticed that the FAQ page is still in English. Did I really not
+</I>&gt;<i> send a translated version? Anyway, here it is, re-sending.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Eugeny &quot;luciform&quot; Rozhkov
+</I>
+And here is the patch to ru_faq.html page to fix the menu links (to make them 
+point to the localized versions of the pages). Sorry for inconvenience.
+
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+Suite &#224; la r&#233;union i18n de la semaine derni&#232;re et au FOSDEM, il serait 
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+mardi &#224; 21h sur IRC ( <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n">irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n</A> )
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+J'aurai bien propos&#233; cette r&#233;union ce soir mais des obligations autres 
+me retiennent.
+
+Si tout le monde est partant, je vous mets un ordre du jour dans la 
+semaine ou au pire, le week-end prochain.
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+Bonne soir&#233;e &#224; tous
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+Marianne / Jehane
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+&gt;<i> Bonsoir &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suite &#224; la r&#233;union i18n de la semaine derni&#232;re et au FOSDEM, il serait 
+</I>&gt;<i> int&#233;ressant de pr&#233;voir une r&#233;union &quot;d&#233;briefing&quot; la semaine prochaine, 
+</I>&gt;<i> mardi &#224; 21h sur IRC ( <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n">irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'aurai bien propos&#233; cette r&#233;union ce soir mais des obligations autres 
+</I>&gt;<i> me retiennent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Si tout le monde est partant, je vous mets un ordre du jour dans la 
+</I>&gt;<i> semaine ou au pire, le week-end prochain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bonne soir&#233;e &#224; tous
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne / Jehane
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Bonsoir,
+
+J'ai du rater quelque chose, les r&#233;unions &#233;taient pr&#233;vues les 1er et 3e 
+mercredis du mois, maintenant c'est le mardi ?
+Le canal &#233;tait mageia-i18n-fr, maintenant c'est mageia-i18n ?
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+    <B>R&#233;mi Verschelde</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 8 f&#233;vrier 2011 22:31, lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 08/02/2011 17:09, Marianne Lombard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bonsoir &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Suite &#224; la r&#233;union i18n de la semaine derni&#232;re et au FOSDEM, il serait
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> int&#233;ressant de pr&#233;voir une r&#233;union &quot;d&#233;briefing&quot; la semaine prochaine, mardi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#224; 21h sur IRC ( <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n">irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J'aurai bien propos&#233; cette r&#233;union ce soir mais des obligations autres me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> retiennent.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Si tout le monde est partant, je vous mets un ordre du jour dans la
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> semaine ou au pire, le week-end prochain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bonne soir&#233;e &#224; tous
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marianne / Jehane
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bonsoir,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'ai du rater quelque chose, les r&#233;unions &#233;taient pr&#233;vues les 1er et 3e
+</I>&gt;<i> mercredis du mois, maintenant c'est le mardi ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Le canal &#233;tait mageia-i18n-fr, maintenant c'est mageia-i18n ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Pour ce qui est du canal, je suppose que Jehane s'est tromp&#233;e, et que
+comme d'habitude la r&#233;union se tiendra
+sur #mageia-i18n-fr.
+Cependant les r&#233;unions sont le mardi depuis plusieurs mois, quasiment
+depuis que cela a &#233;t&#233; vot&#233; (avec a peu pr&#232;s autant de voix que pour le
+mercredi, et finalement le mardi a &#233;t&#233; retenu).
+
+Je serais l&#224; mardi prochain a priori.
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+R&#233;mi
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+coming back from Fosdem we have loads of news! Most of them will be
+published tonight or tomorrow in the blog - be prepared! :)
+
+There's also news about Transifex, resulting from a conversation
+between jehane, obgr_seneca, misc, and wobo. Therefore I would like to
+have a meeting at the usual place:
+
+Thursday, Feb 10, 2011 - 18:30 UTC - #mageia-i18n on Freenode.net
+
+Topics:
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+ - Fosdem
+ - Other
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+Feel free to add any other topic (to be discussed within the time limits).
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+-- 
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+graphics in your language blog page.
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+    <B>lebarhon</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 08/02/2011 23:29, R&#233;mi Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 8 f&#233;vrier 2011 22:31, lebarhon&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt;  a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 08/02/2011 17:09, Marianne Lombard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bonsoir &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Suite &#224; la r&#233;union i18n de la semaine derni&#232;re et au FOSDEM, il serait
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> int&#233;ressant de pr&#233;voir une r&#233;union &quot;d&#233;briefing&quot; la semaine prochaine, mardi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#224; 21h sur IRC ( <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n">irc://irc.freenode.org/magiea-i18n</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> J'aurai bien propos&#233; cette r&#233;union ce soir mais des obligations autres me
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> retiennent.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Si tout le monde est partant, je vous mets un ordre du jour dans la
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> semaine ou au pire, le week-end prochain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bonne soir&#233;e &#224; tous
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marianne / Jehane
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>        
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bonsoir,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J'ai du rater quelque chose, les r&#233;unions &#233;taient pr&#233;vues les 1er et 3e
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mercredis du mois, maintenant c'est le mardi ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le canal &#233;tait mageia-i18n-fr, maintenant c'est mageia-i18n ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour ce qui est du canal, je suppose que Jehane s'est tromp&#233;e, et que
+</I>&gt;<i> comme d'habitude la r&#233;union se tiendra
+</I>&gt;<i> sur #mageia-i18n-fr.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cependant les r&#233;unions sont le mardi depuis plusieurs mois, quasiment
+</I>&gt;<i> depuis que cela a &#233;t&#233; vot&#233; (avec a peu pr&#232;s autant de voix que pour le
+</I>&gt;<i> mercredi, et finalement le mardi a &#233;t&#233; retenu).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Je serais l&#224; mardi prochain a priori.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;mi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>Bonjour,
+
+Je te remercie pour ces infos. Cependant quand tu dis &quot;les r&#233;unions sont 
+le mardi depuis plusieurs mois...&quot; c'est un peu exag&#233;r&#233;, le 18/12/2010, 
+Marianne &#233;crivait :
+
+La majorit&#233; a parl&#233;, notre r&#233;union r&#233;guli&#232;re sera donc le 1er et le 3e
+mercredi de chaque mois.
+Il est important que le maximum de gens soient pr&#233;sent afin que tous
+soient au courant des projets en cours m&#234;me, si, bien s&#251;r, les
+comptes-rendus et les logs seront publics.
+
+Notre prochaine r&#233;union sera le mercredi 22 d&#233;cembre 2010 &#224; 21h, ce sera
+la derni&#232;re pour l'ann&#233;e 2010.
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+<PRE>2011/2/9 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Anne has posted an odg file (OpenOffice.org) of the graphics included
+</I>&gt;<i> in the blog post. If you want to translate the graphics you can
+</I>&gt;<i> download this file, change the text lines and replace the English
+</I>&gt;<i> graphics in your language blog page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://zarb.org/~ennael">http://zarb.org/~ennael</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hum, if I had known I could have used these, but since they weren't
+available when I made the French translation, I had to edit the
+graphics in GIMP ^^ (it wasn't easy to find the original archive icon,
+though :p).
+
+Though, I don't manage to upload the localised pics on the blog. I
+found how it should be done in WordPress (Add a picture &gt; Browse,
+aso.) but I get this error (in French) after the upload:
+
+&quot;Impossible de cr&#233;er le dossier
+/home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02. Son dossier
+parent est-il accessible en &#233;criture par le serveur ?&quot;
+
+What means: &quot;The directory
+/home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02 can't be
+created. Does the server have write access to the parent directory?&quot;
+
+Anyone has the same error?
+(I reported it to Damsweb on IRC Sunday but he was AFK because of FOSDEM).
+
+Cheers,
+R&#233;mi
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+<PRE>Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 20:09:50 schrieb R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+
+&gt;<i> &quot;Impossible de cr&#233;er le dossier
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02. Son dossier
+</I>&gt;<i> parent est-il accessible en &#233;criture par le serveur ?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> What means: &quot;The directory
+</I>&gt;<i> /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02 can't be
+</I>&gt;<i> created. Does the server have write access to the parent directory?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone has the same error?
+</I>&gt;<i> (I reported it to Damsweb on IRC Sunday but he was AFK because of FOSDEM).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+Yes, I do get the same error.
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+&gt;<i> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 20:09:50 schrieb R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Impossible de cr&#233;er le dossier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02. Son dossier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parent est-il accessible en &#233;criture par le serveur ?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What means: &quot;The directory
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02 can't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> created. Does the server have write access to the parent directory?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone has the same error?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (I reported it to Damsweb on IRC Sunday but he was AFK because of FOSDEM).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I do get the same error.
+</I>
+Looks like a permission pb on server side. I'm forwarding this to sysadmin team
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Thorsten
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+-- 
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le 09/02/2011 19:11, lebarhon a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>  Bonjour,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Je te remercie pour ces infos. Cependant quand tu dis &quot;les r&#233;unions
+</I>&gt;<i> sont le mardi depuis plusieurs mois...&quot; c'est un peu exag&#233;r&#233;, le
+</I>&gt;<i> 18/12/2010, Marianne &#233;crivait :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> La majorit&#233; a parl&#233;, notre r&#233;union r&#233;guli&#232;re sera donc le 1er et le 3e
+</I>&gt;<i> mercredi de chaque mois.
+</I>&gt;<i> Il est important que le maximum de gens soient pr&#233;sent afin que tous
+</I>&gt;<i> soient au courant des projets en cours m&#234;me, si, bien s&#251;r, les
+</I>&gt;<i> comptes-rendus et les logs seront publics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Notre prochaine r&#233;union sera le mercredi 22 d&#233;cembre 2010 &#224; 21h, ce sera
+</I>&gt;<i> la derni&#232;re pour l'ann&#233;e 2010.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Bonsoir,
+
+Concernant le nom du canal, j'ai effectivement fait une erreur, il
+s'agit bien de #mageia-i18n-fr
+
+&#192; propos de la date des r&#233;unions, nous avions justement d&#233;cid&#233; le 22
+d&#233;cembre de d&#233;caler les r&#233;unions au mardi
+(<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-i18n-fr/2010/mageia-i18n-fr.2010-12-22-20.00.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-i18n-fr/2010/mageia-i18n-fr.2010-12-22-20.00.html</A>
+). Le fait de faire les r&#233;unions les 1ere et 3e semaines du mois n'a
+jamais &#233;t&#233; &#224; mes yeux grav&#233; dans le marbre. Nous devons rester souple
+sur notre organisation.
+
+Je vous confirme que je vous enverrai un ordre du jour (pr&#233;visionnel)
+d&#232;s que possible et id&#233;alement avant la r&#233;union de mardi.
+&#192; minima, nous parlerons de transifex, de la traduction des statuts, du
+FOSDEM et du blog
+
+Bonne soir&#233;e &#224; tous
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+&gt;<i> 2011/2/9 Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 20:09:50 schrieb R&#233;mi Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Impossible de cr&#233;er le dossier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02. Son dossier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; parent est-il accessible en &#233;criture par le serveur ?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What means: &quot;The directory
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; /home/projects/mageia/blogs/fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02 can't be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; created. Does the server have write access to the parent directory?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Anyone has the same error?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (I reported it to Damsweb on IRC Sunday but he was AFK because of FOSDEM).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I do get the same error.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks like a permission pb on server side. I'm forwarding this to sysadmin team
+</I>
+The issue is indeed that blog.mageia.org is running code based on the
+rpm package, with correct permission, while the others blogs are
+installed by hand with erroneous perms.
+
+I have corrected the upload permissions, it should work, but I guess a
+proper installation would avoid the issue in the future.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+
+Thanks a lot! again, sorry for the delay. Updated and in production in
+a few minutes.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
+
+On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 07:31, Eugeny Rozhkov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">mai.hime.ost at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello, I noticed that the FAQ page is still in English. Did I really not send
+</I>&gt;<i> a translated version? Anyway, here it is, re-sending.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Eugeny &quot;luciform&quot; Rozhkov
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> 69. ``Why is my &quot;rm *.o&quot; taking so long?''
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;--Top 100 things you don't want the sysadmin to say
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+
+thanks again!
+
+2011/1/31 Eugeny Rozhkov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">mai.hime.ost at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> There is another question rose: what about the translation of a main page? It
+</I>&gt;<i> was stated in the meeting that this page have some active content (like the
+</I>&gt;<i> headlines of a blog posts) which is unlikely to be translated,
+</I>
+Indeed, but as much as possible, dynamic contents are sourced from
+translated sites (headlines on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/ru/">http://mageia.org/ru/</A> will be sourced
+from the Russian-speaking blog as soon as it is up; for the time
+being, it sources from the English-speaking blog).
+
+&gt;<i> but how about other stuff (a link to the wiki, for example)?
+</I>
+For now (temp wiki), we only handle English in the wiki. The next wiki
+(multi-locales setup on a Mediawiki), we will be able to link
+translated/corresponding pages across languages - and link to the
+appropriate one.
+
+&gt;<i> Will it be sufficient if we'll just send in a translated html as we did for the other pages?
+</I>
+ - don't translate wiki pages for now
+ - for the www website, yes, this is how it works for now.
+
+cheers!
+
+Romain
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+    <B>lebarhon</B> 
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+<PRE>Le 07/02/2011 21:57, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/7 R&#233;mi Verschelde&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">rverschelde at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So should we write somewhere the possible improvements to the French
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legal document (be they typos or misuse of words),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and when we're done with the translation (which is alsa a proofreading
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the French text), send all those suggestions at the same time so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that the French document can be updated?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If that's what we choose I will restore revision 1 on the page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes, and maybe create a page
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia_org_statutes_errata to stock our suggestions?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>      
+</I>&gt;<i> I reported about this in the founder's meeting. I will have to report
+</I>&gt;<i> back to them when you have finished &quot;French proofreading&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>    
+</I>It's done. It took me more time than expected but I enjoyed it. Now 
+somebody (the writer ?) has to think about the comments. They are either 
+in the French or English parts or both. And then, an English native has 
+to translate the text from Lebarhon's English to correct English. 
+Whoever you are, have fun with that !
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+    <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-i18n] [French + English Teams] Translation of	Mageia.Org statutes">rdalverny at gmail.com
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+<PRE>On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 22:36, lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> It's done. It took me more time than expected but I enjoyed it. Now somebody
+</I>&gt;<i> (the writer ?) has to think about the comments. They are either in the
+</I>&gt;<i> French or English parts or both.
+</I>
+Uh?
+
+Romain
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>I send this to the founders list as well.
+
+2011/2/11 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 22:36, lebarhon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">lebarhon at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's done. It took me more time than expected but I enjoyed it. Now somebody
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (the writer ?) has to think about the comments. They are either in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> French or English parts or both.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+lebarhon translated the statutes to English but also commented parts
+in the French original which in his opinion seem either misused words
+or unclear.
+
+I reported this in the founder's meeting, here is the result. On the
+page you will find the French chapters each followed by the its
+translation.
+
+Comments about such &quot;unclear passages&quot; are in italic.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_org_statutes_en</A>
+
+-- 
+wobo
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+<PRE>Bonsoir &#224; tous,
+
+Comme promis, voici un ordre du jour un peu plus d&#233;taill&#233; :
+
+r&#233;union le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 21h (heure de Paris ou 20h UTC) sur
+le chan irc : #mageia-i18n-fr, serveur freenode
+
+- traduction des statuts
+    avanc&#233;e
+    remont&#233;es &#233;ventuelles (sur le cot&#233; technique, pas le contenu)
+
+- FOSDEM
+
+- traduction du blog
+    m&#233;nage des comptes fant&#244;mes
+    recrutement de nouveaux volontaires
+    revue du processus de traduction
+
+- transifex et MLs
+    avanc&#233;e
+
+Si vous voyez d'autres points &#224; aborder, voulez des pr&#233;cisions,
+n'h&#233;sitez pas &#224; r&#233;pondre &#224; ce mail ou &#224; poser votre question sur IRC
+
+Bonne fin de week-end &#224; tous
+
+Marianne
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+    <B>Michael Scherer</B> 
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+so first, sorry if we did make people wait for a long time about ml. We
+should have been slightly better organized on that. 
+
+So basically, here is how the ml system work :
+
+We have setup a unified login ( as this was something asked by people in
+the mandriva days ), which in practice mean we have a web software for
+people to register on almost all services we have deployed ( be it
+bugzilla, sympa, transifex, etc ). 
+
+The software is catdap, and is running on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> .
+You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated
+it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some
+changes ).
+
+It is still quite rough ( in term of UI ), and we wanted to enhance it
+before saying to the world it is ready. But the lack of time ( or rather
+the sheer amount of work ) prevented us from doing so, and so the ml
+waited too long because of that. The software is working fine however,
+that's why i think people would prefer to have working ml and a
+imperfect web software than waiting without nothing.
+
+So the mls themselves are on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n</A> . The software is
+sympa 6.1, without much templating ( the webteam will likely welcome all
+help on that regard ).
+
+
+So let's take for example the fictional ml <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A>, which
+is dedicated in translating to quenya, and see how we can use it :
+
+
+How to receive mail from the ml
+--------------------------------
+
+You need to have a account on our ldap directory, and for that, you need
+to go on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/register">http://identity.mageia.org/register</A> . Firefox will likely warn
+you about the certificate ( self signed ), we have planned to buy one
+soon, but for now, just say that &quot;you understand the risk&quot;, etc etc.
+
+You can fill the form ( everything is mandatory so far, but I think we
+didn't really discussed much about this, so if you think this is too
+intrusive, do not hesitate to let us know ), register, and then wait for
+a email. ( of course, we will not sell your email or do anything with
+it, and we have taken lots of measures to protect the privacy of
+users ).
+
+Once you received the email, click on the link, and that's it, you
+should have a account on our system. That's the first part.
+
+The second part is to subscribe to the ml. For this, you need to go on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</A> Same message about ssl certs and firefox.
+
+Here, you can use either the mail you used to register, or the login in
+the corner top / right. Beware that changing email is not supported on
+sympa at the moment, so I recommend to not change it for now ( and there
+is no easy fix, so we will have to do something ugly ). 
+
+Once logged, you can go on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A> and click on
+&quot;subscribe&quot; on the left menu.
+
+And that's it, you should receive mail. Almost all ml are public, so you
+can read archives.
+
+
+How to post on the ml 
+---------------------
+
+You have 2 choices. Technically, 3 in fact.
+
+The first one is just to send a email to the ml
+( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A> ), as usual,  with the email you used for
+subscribing. This should go fine, maybe not directly du to various smtp
+anti spam measure, but there is nothing special.
+
+The 2nd one is to use the web interface. In the menu, there is a entry
+&quot;post&quot; that can be used to send a email, on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A>
+
+
+The 3rd one is to send a email using a address that is not subscribed.
+The email will queued, and wait for a moderator to let it pass. That's
+were thing start to go bad. For now, the ml_moderation team is 0 person
+( ie, technically, there is just me because someone had to be inside to
+be used ). And while it is planned to recruit people ( there is a
+category on the wiki ), we didn't start the work on that. 
+
+So while we will do something to enhance this situation ( ie, recruit
+and explain the work to do to moderators ), this will wait a little. If
+your email do not appear on the ml after a few days, please check with a
+admin. 
+
+
+How to recover my password
+--------------------------
+
+So if you lost your password, there is 2 possibility. Either you have a
+simple account, and it is doable by the web ( currently only in the
+devel version of the web interface
+( <A HREF="http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/">http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/</A> )). Or you have a privileged
+account, ie svn access, etc, and then you have to ask to a admin ( on
+irc, or on the ml ) for security reasons. Of course, we will
+revise/enhance this policy if the need arise ( but for now, it was
+faster to protect the account ).
+
+If you can do it by the web, a new link to change the password will be
+sent by mail. In case of problem, do not hesitate to contact the admins.
+
+
+How to unsubscribe from a ml
+----------------------------
+
+So if one day you think there is too much mail and want to unsubscribe
+from a list, just connect on the web interface, and you will be able to
+unsubscribe from the left menu 
+
+
+There is something weird and it don't look good 
+-----------------------------------------------
+
+In case of problem, do not hesitate to ask sysadmin ( or call the
+ghostbusters ). If you think that you have access to settings that you
+should not have, maybe I screwed in the configuration. If you see the
+web interface of ml changed ( happened 2 times, didn't search the root
+cause ), try to get in touch with us so we can fix it for good ( or just
+do the rapid way of restarting apache/sympa ).
+
+
+Can the interface be translated to my language ?
+------------------------------------------------
+
+Yes, it can, for some value of &quot;my language&quot;. For now, we just enabled
+en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is
+translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with
+sympa.org upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to
+get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter )
+This is potentially frustrating, we know.
+
+What about gmane/etc ?
+----------------------
+
+That's indeed a issue. I was hoping that no one will ask the question :)
+
+So far, we didn't found how to integrate this with our sympa/ldap setup.
+I do have some ideas ( ie, fiddling with authentication to let only
+gmane subscribe ) but this will some careful testing.  I also considered
+running inn directly on our server, but some friend discouraged me from
+doing so for my own sanity :)
+
+While it doesn't replace much, people can read the ml using rss.
+
+Is there limitation in term of content, spam etc ?
+---------------------------------------------------
+
+Yes, there is likely a limit to the size of message, though I do not
+remind where it is set ( nor the limit ). Of course, if this is a
+problem, we can increase it ( once we find where it is set... ). We do
+also have a spam filter, and greylisting so your mail may be late ( and
+queued ). The smtp part still requires some love ( like deploying a 2nd
+MX, etc ), so while we have a working setup, it can be enhanced. Again,
+do not hesitate to contact sysadmin if you have questions.
+
+How do I ask for a ml ?
+-----------------------
+
+Ask to the team leader, aka Wobo, or his second, aka Oliver. He will
+forward it to sysadmin. He already has a list of ml to create that will
+try to be created shortly. 
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+</PRE>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>Addendum to Michael's very detailed and insightful Mageia-i18n-ML-HowTo:
+
+Already available through this ML system are the following i18n language lists:
+
+i18n-af
+i18n-de
+i18n-et
+i18n-fr
+i18n-nl
+i18n-pt_br
+i18n-pl
+i18n-ru
+i18n-tr
+
+Please go through the motions as misc described and start discussing
+internal topics of your language team in the respective lists.
+
+Make one exception, pls:
+Please post announcements of meetings in the general i18n list.
+Reason: interested people will not be subscribed to their language
+list yet, so they still get the message about meetings and may join
+the team.
+
+Second round of ML requests:
+
+In a second round of requests for mailing lists the sysadmins will be
+so kind and create lists for the following languages:
+
+i18n-ro
+i18n-it
+i18n-zh_tw
+i18n-en
+
+(misc, do I have to send a request to sysadmin list for this or will
+you take the request from here?)
+
+If I have missed a language group pls tell me.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+</PRE>
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list">molch.b at googlemail.com
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+    <I>Mon Feb 14 20:12:00 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>I copied the HowTo from the first mail to the wiki:
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#setup_and_usage_of_language_mailing_lists">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#setup_and_usage_of_language_mailing_lists</A>
+
+-- 
+wobo
+</PRE>
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> so first, sorry if we did make people wait for a long time about ml. We
+</I>&gt;<i> should have been slightly better organized on that. 
+</I>
+thank you :)
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> So basically, here is how the ml system work :
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> We have setup a unified login ( as this was something asked by people in
+</I>&gt;<i> the mandriva days ), which in practice mean we have a web software for
+</I>&gt;<i> people to register on almost all services we have deployed ( be it
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla, sympa, transifex, etc ). 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> The software is catdap, and is running on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i> You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated
+</I>&gt;<i> it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some
+</I>&gt;<i> changes ).
+</I>
+i tried to subscribe but i didn't receive any confirmation e-mail, there is any 
+problem?
+
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Can the interface be translated to my language ?
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it can, for some value of &quot;my language&quot;. For now, we just enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is
+</I>&gt;<i> translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with
+</I>&gt;<i> sympa.org upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter )
+</I>&gt;<i> This is potentially frustrating, we know.
+</I>
+i would like to translate it in italian, is it possible? what should i do? 
+thank you again to all, you're doing a great work 
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+    <B>Marcello Anni</B> 
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I copied the HowTo from the first mail to the wiki:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I><A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#setup_and_usage_of_language_mailing_lists">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#setup_and_usage_of_language_mailing_lists</A>
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> -- 
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+hi wobo, some update:
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+leader= marcello
+substitute leader= marcello
+number of partecipant=1
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+:<i> ) naturally i didn't yet promoted the initative outside italian blogteam, so 
+</I>i'm not worried
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; The software is catdap, and is running on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; changes ).
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i tried to subscribe but i didn't receive any confirmation e-mail, there is 
+</I>any 
+&gt;<i> problem?
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>
+it is finally arrived : )
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+cheers,
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+    <B>Michael Scherer</B> 
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+<PRE>Le lundi 14 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 22:09 +0100, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>  
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can the interface be translated to my language ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, it can, for some value of &quot;my language&quot;. For now, we just enabled
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sympa.org upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is potentially frustrating, we know.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i would like to translate it in italian, is it possible? what should i do? 
+</I>&gt;<i> thank you again to all, you're doing a great work 
+</I>
+This is the list of the supported language :
+
+ca,cs,de,el,es,et_EE,en_US,fr,fi,hu,it,ja_JP,ko,nl,nb_NO,oc,pl,pt_BR,ru,sv,tr,vi,zh_CN,zh_TW
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+The fact is this requires to install locales-$lang to have sympa to
+support the language, and I didn't investigate much for the impact ( if
+any ).
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+    <B>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)</B> 
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+<PRE>Thanks for all your efforts.  I'm waiting for our mailing list created.
+
+I have a question.  When our i18n-zh_tw is created, what should we do to get 
+the moderator access rights?  Or will you assign a default moderator?
+
+
+Thanks,
+Franklin
+
+&#22312; &#36913;&#20108; 15 &#20108;&#26376; 2011 02:27:47&#65292;Wolfgang Bornath &#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> Second round of ML requests:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In a second round of requests for mailing lists the sysadmins will be
+</I>&gt;<i> so kind and create lists for the following languages:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-ro
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-it
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-zh_tw
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-en
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (misc, do I have to send a request to sysadmin list for this or will
+</I>&gt;<i> you take the request from here?)
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> If I have missed a language group pls tell me.
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+&gt;<i> Thanks for all your efforts.  I'm waiting for our mailing list created.
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a question.  When our i18n-zh_tw is created, what should we do to get 
+</I>&gt;<i> the moderator access rights?  Or will you assign a default moderator?
+</I>
+Moderation will be done by a specific team.
+
+But moderation is not the same as on a forum, this is more &quot;spam
+filtering&quot;.
+
+For example, me and others who are de facto moderator on current
+installation ( the one @zarb.org ) receive each morning a mail saying
+something like this ( real example, with edited email ) :
+
+========================
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at gmail</A> on Tue Feb  8 17:09:45 2011
+Subject: (REPLY IF YOU ARE INTRESTED!!! (TSUNAMI DISASTER IN
+INDONESIA ).
+Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at live</A> on Tue Feb  8 19:49:40 2011
+Subject: Anuncie totalmente gr?tis!
+Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at tiscali</A> on Tue Feb  8 22:10:48 2011
+Subject: Finanziamenti e affari on-line
+Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">xxx at xxx</A> on Thu Feb 10 12:05:39 2011
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+========================
+
+This was for the mageia-discuss ml 1 week ago. Then we usually go to the
+web interface, and check &quot;this is spam, this is spam, this is not
+spam&quot; ( or the checkbox &quot;all of this is spam&quot; + &quot;erase&quot; ).
+
+Obviously, the 3 first one are unwanted mail, and the 4th is not. The
+goal is to redirect when someone post to a restricted ml, or when
+someone use a wrong address, or when a spam evades our spam filter.
+
+So the plan at the new server is to have a team for moderation of all
+lists, not just for 1. We could have done the regular way, with
+different admin for each list. But that would have been more complex
+( ie, have to keep track of who is doing moderation of what, and manage
+the fact that some people will leave and some will appear, will take
+holidays, etc ), and so would have required more work. 
+
+It is simpler to have 1 team of 3/4 people to take care of the lists
+rather than 10 individuals taking care of each a different lists. 
+And also have the same set of admin on all ml, so the setup is more
+resilient ( ie, if I go to a place without internet for 1 week, another
+admin can still connect and change settings, etc ).
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
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+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+<PRE>2011/2/14 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hi wobo, some update:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> leader= marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> substitute leader= marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> number of partecipant=1
+</I>
+Thanks so far. From this I gather that you did not have assembled a team yet.
+
+Pls have a look in the wiki page of translators, the Italian section
+shows 4 people (incuding you).
+
+So the first step is to contact them and ask them to subscribe to the
+i18n mailing lsit and the Italian mailing list (as soon as it exists).
+
+The second step is to let them name a team leader and substitute.
+
+The next step for the team leader is participating in the meetings and
+coordinate any tasks within the Italian team and report back to the
+international meeting or mailing list..
+
+Thx for your efforts.
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>Unfortunately the webinterface of the ML system lacks a &quot;List of
+subscribers&quot;. This would be a great help for team leaders to check for
+missing subscribers :)
+
+Or am I too blind to find this feature?
+
+-- 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 03:49 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Unfortunately the webinterface of the ML system lacks a &quot;List of
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribers&quot;. This would be a great help for team leaders to check for
+</I>&gt;<i> missing subscribers :)
+</I>
+I think that this is reserved to admin, for privacy reason. Since you
+are the 2nd one to ask for that, I will check if we can relax this
+setting to let all subscribers check this.
+
+But I battled against sympa and postfix enough for the night.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>2011/2/15 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 03:49 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately the webinterface of the ML system lacks a &quot;List of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subscribers&quot;. This would be a great help for team leaders to check for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> missing subscribers :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that this is reserved to admin, for privacy reason. Since you
+</I>&gt;<i> are the 2nd one to ask for that, I will check if we can relax this
+</I>&gt;<i> setting to let all subscribers check this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I battled against sympa and postfix enough for the night.
+</I>
+Yes, I guess so. It#s not a pressing matter anyway, rather a &quot;helpful&quot; one.
+
+-- 
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+L'iso alpha 1 de mageia est sortie dans la nuit. Le blog anglophone s'est
+fait le relais de cette grande nouvelle.
+Si vous avez du temps dans la journ&#233;e d'aujourd'hui, pouvez-vous vous lancer
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+M&#234;me si vous ne faites pas partie de la blogteam, vous pouvez envoyer cette
+traduction par mail et quelqu'un ayant les acc&#232;s se chargera de la mettre en
+ligne.
+
+La page <A HREF="https://mageia.org/en/alpha/">https://mageia.org/en/alpha/</A> est &#233;galement &#224; traduire
+
+La liste francophone &#233;tant d&#233;sormais accessible, je vous invite &#224; tous vous
+inscrire. Ce message sera le dernier envoy&#233; en fran&#231;ais sur cette liste.
+
+Bon mardi
+
+Cordialement
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of
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+    <B>Numan DEM&#304;RD&#214;GEN</B> 
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+       TITLE="[Mageia-i18n] Fwd:  Mailling list">numand46 at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Merhaba arkada&#351;lar,
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+sizden mageia-i18n e-posta listesine de &#252;ye olman&#305;z&#305; istiyorum.
+
+Sayg&#305;lar&#305;mla,
+*  Numan DEM&#304;RD&#214;&#286;EN
+*
+
+
+---------- Forwarded message ----------
+From: Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+Date: 2011/2/14
+Subject: [Mageia-i18n] Mailling list
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">mageia-i18n at mageia.org</A>
+
+
+Hi,
+
+so first, sorry if we did make people wait for a long time about ml. We
+should have been slightly better organized on that.
+
+So basically, here is how the ml system work :
+
+We have setup a unified login ( as this was something asked by people in
+the mandriva days ), which in practice mean we have a web software for
+people to register on almost all services we have deployed ( be it
+bugzilla, sympa, transifex, etc ).
+
+The software is catdap, and is running on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/">http://identity.mageia.org/</A> .
+You may have already subscribed for others things ( and also translated
+it, even if I totally forgot that part and so have forgot to push some
+changes ).
+
+It is still quite rough ( in term of UI ), and we wanted to enhance it
+before saying to the world it is ready. But the lack of time ( or rather
+the sheer amount of work ) prevented us from doing so, and so the ml
+waited too long because of that. The software is working fine however,
+that's why i think people would prefer to have working ml and a
+imperfect web software than waiting without nothing.
+
+So the mls themselves are on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n</A> . The software is
+sympa 6.1, without much templating ( the webteam will likely welcome all
+help on that regard ).
+
+
+So let's take for example the fictional ml <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A>, which
+is dedicated in translating to quenya, and see how we can use it :
+
+
+How to receive mail from the ml
+--------------------------------
+
+You need to have a account on our ldap directory, and for that, you need
+to go on <A HREF="http://identity.mageia.org/register">http://identity.mageia.org/register</A> . Firefox will likely warn
+you about the certificate ( self signed ), we have planned to buy one
+soon, but for now, just say that &quot;you understand the risk&quot;, etc etc.
+
+You can fill the form ( everything is mandatory so far, but I think we
+didn't really discussed much about this, so if you think this is too
+intrusive, do not hesitate to let us know ), register, and then wait for
+a email. ( of course, we will not sell your email or do anything with
+it, and we have taken lots of measures to protect the privacy of
+users ).
+
+Once you received the email, click on the link, and that's it, you
+should have a account on our system. That's the first part.
+
+The second part is to subscribe to the ml. For this, you need to go on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/">https://ml.mageia.org/</A> Same message about ssl certs and firefox.
+
+Here, you can use either the mail you used to register, or the login in
+the corner top / right. Beware that changing email is not supported on
+sympa at the moment, so I recommend to not change it for now ( and there
+is no easy fix, so we will have to do something ugly ).
+
+Once logged, you can go on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A> and click on
+&quot;subscribe&quot; on the left menu.
+
+And that's it, you should receive mail. Almost all ml are public, so you
+can read archives.
+
+
+How to post on the ml
+---------------------
+
+You have 2 choices. Technically, 3 in fact.
+
+The first one is just to send a email to the ml
+( <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">i18n-qya at ml.mageia.org</A> ), as usual,  with the email you used for
+subscribing. This should go fine, maybe not directly du to various smtp
+anti spam measure, but there is nothing special.
+
+The 2nd one is to use the web interface. In the menu, there is a entry
+&quot;post&quot; that can be used to send a email, on
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/i18n-qya</A>
+
+
+The 3rd one is to send a email using a address that is not subscribed.
+The email will queued, and wait for a moderator to let it pass. That's
+were thing start to go bad. For now, the ml_moderation team is 0 person
+( ie, technically, there is just me because someone had to be inside to
+be used ). And while it is planned to recruit people ( there is a
+category on the wiki ), we didn't start the work on that.
+
+So while we will do something to enhance this situation ( ie, recruit
+and explain the work to do to moderators ), this will wait a little. If
+your email do not appear on the ml after a few days, please check with a
+admin.
+
+
+How to recover my password
+--------------------------
+
+So if you lost your password, there is 2 possibility. Either you have a
+simple account, and it is doable by the web ( currently only in the
+devel version of the web interface
+( <A HREF="http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/">http://identity-trunk.mageia.org/</A> )). Or you have a privileged
+account, ie svn access, etc, and then you have to ask to a admin ( on
+irc, or on the ml ) for security reasons. Of course, we will
+revise/enhance this policy if the need arise ( but for now, it was
+faster to protect the account ).
+
+If you can do it by the web, a new link to change the password will be
+sent by mail. In case of problem, do not hesitate to contact the admins.
+
+
+How to unsubscribe from a ml
+----------------------------
+
+So if one day you think there is too much mail and want to unsubscribe
+from a list, just connect on the web interface, and you will be able to
+unsubscribe from the left menu
+
+
+There is something weird and it don't look good
+-----------------------------------------------
+
+In case of problem, do not hesitate to ask sysadmin ( or call the
+ghostbusters ). If you think that you have access to settings that you
+should not have, maybe I screwed in the configuration. If you see the
+web interface of ml changed ( happened 2 times, didn't search the root
+cause ), try to get in touch with us so we can fix it for good ( or just
+do the rapid way of restarting apache/sympa ).
+
+
+Can the interface be translated to my language ?
+------------------------------------------------
+
+Yes, it can, for some value of &quot;my language&quot;. For now, we just enabled
+en and fr, but if there is demand for others, we can see if this is
+translated or not. If this cannot be, you will have to see with
+sympa.org upstream to push the translation there, and we will be able to
+get them once we upgrade to sympa ( ie, like 6 months to 1 year alter )
+This is potentially frustrating, we know.
+
+What about gmane/etc ?
+----------------------
+
+That's indeed a issue. I was hoping that no one will ask the question :)
+
+So far, we didn't found how to integrate this with our sympa/ldap setup.
+I do have some ideas ( ie, fiddling with authentication to let only
+gmane subscribe ) but this will some careful testing.  I also considered
+running inn directly on our server, but some friend discouraged me from
+doing so for my own sanity :)
+
+While it doesn't replace much, people can read the ml using rss.
+
+Is there limitation in term of content, spam etc ?
+---------------------------------------------------
+
+Yes, there is likely a limit to the size of message, though I do not
+remind where it is set ( nor the limit ). Of course, if this is a
+problem, we can increase it ( once we find where it is set... ). We do
+also have a spam filter, and greylisting so your mail may be late ( and
+queued ). The smtp part still requires some love ( like deploying a 2nd
+MX, etc ), so while we have a working setup, it can be enhanced. Again,
+do not hesitate to contact sysadmin if you have questions.
+
+How do I ask for a ml ?
+-----------------------
+
+Ask to the team leader, aka Wobo, or his second, aka Oliver. He will
+forward it to sysadmin. He already has a list of ml to create that will
+try to be created shortly.
+
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+Michael Scherer
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+    <B>Franklin Weng</B> 
+    <A HREF="mailto:mageia-i18n%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-i18n%5D%20Mailling%20list&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim4%3DxXXAOVtP1Cziv0V4ctPLEjejWpcyNVeFrZJ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+       TITLE="[Mageia-i18n] Mailling list">franklin at goodhorse.idv.tw
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+    <I>Tue Feb 15 13:18:52 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>2011/2/15 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 07:37 +0800, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for all your efforts.  I'm waiting for our mailing list created.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have a question.  When our i18n-zh_tw is created, what should we do to
+</I>&gt;<i> get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the moderator access rights?  Or will you assign a default moderator?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moderation will be done by a specific team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But moderation is not the same as on a forum, this is more &quot;spam
+</I>&gt;<i> filtering&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, me and others who are de facto moderator on current
+</I>&gt;<i> installation ( the one @zarb.org ) receive each morning a mail saying
+</I>&gt;<i> something like this ( real example, with edited email ) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ========================
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at gmail</A> on Tue Feb  8 17:09:45 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: (REPLY IF YOU ARE INTRESTED!!! (TSUNAMI DISASTER IN
+</I>&gt;<i> INDONESIA ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at live</A> on Tue Feb  8 19:49:40 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Anuncie totalmente gr?tis!
+</I>&gt;<i> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">spam at tiscali</A> on Tue Feb  8 22:10:48 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Finanziamenti e affari on-line
+</I>&gt;<i> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">xxx at xxx</A> on Thu Feb 10 12:05:39 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Contributing Howto : need help
+</I>&gt;<i> Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
+</I>&gt;<i> ========================
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was for the mageia-discuss ml 1 week ago. Then we usually go to the
+</I>&gt;<i> web interface, and check &quot;this is spam, this is spam, this is not
+</I>&gt;<i> spam&quot; ( or the checkbox &quot;all of this is spam&quot; + &quot;erase&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously, the 3 first one are unwanted mail, and the 4th is not. The
+</I>&gt;<i> goal is to redirect when someone post to a restricted ml, or when
+</I>&gt;<i> someone use a wrong address, or when a spam evades our spam filter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the plan at the new server is to have a team for moderation of all
+</I>&gt;<i> lists, not just for 1. We could have done the regular way, with
+</I>&gt;<i> different admin for each list. But that would have been more complex
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, have to keep track of who is doing moderation of what, and manage
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that some people will leave and some will appear, will take
+</I>&gt;<i> holidays, etc ), and so would have required more work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is simpler to have 1 team of 3/4 people to take care of the lists
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than 10 individuals taking care of each a different lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> And also have the same set of admin on all ml, so the setup is more
+</I>&gt;<i> resilient ( ie, if I go to a place without internet for 1 week, another
+</I>&gt;<i> admin can still connect and change settings, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Okay, but I wonder how could you know a mail is spam or not, if the mail is
+not in English, but in Chinese for example?
+
+Even in our google forum sometimes I could see misjudged mail.
+
+
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+    <B>Michael Scherer</B> 
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 20:18 +0800, Franklin Weng a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/15 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Okay, but I wonder how could you know a mail is spam or not, if the mail is
+</I>&gt;<i> not in English, but in Chinese for example?
+</I>
+Well, first, we can see that a spanish mail on a chinese list is likely
+a problem. Then we can expect to have suspect links ( like link to
+server that do not answer to request ).
+
+And last, if there is 1 or 2 spam that goes through, I think this will
+not be the end of the world ( as we can clean the archive from sympa ).
+
+And we can always ask to chinese speaking people if something is a spam
+or not before moderating. 
+
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+&gt;<i> Merhaba arkada&#351;lar,
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+</I>&gt;<i> haz&#305;rd&#305;r. Anlat&#305;ld&#305;&#287;&#305; &#351;ekilde kayd&#305;n&#305;z&#305; yapt&#305;rabilirsiniz. Bunun yan&#305; s&#305;ra
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sayg&#305;lar&#305;mla,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; Numan DEM&#304;RD&#214;&#286;EN
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Second round of ML requests:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> In a second round of requests for mailing lists the sysadmins will be
+</I>&gt;<i> so kind and create lists for the following languages:
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-ro
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-it
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-zh_tw
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n-en
+</I>&gt;<i> 
+</I>&gt;<i> (misc, do I have to send a request to sysadmin list for this or will
+</I>&gt;<i> you take the request from here?)
+</I>
+I will take the request, but since adding a ml can be done by any admin
+( at least, I hope this is simple enough, even if the only documentation
+is looking at previous svn commit for the moment, or cut and past from
+deployment/lists/manifest/init.pp ), I think this should be sent on the
+ml.
+
+I would also prefer to have the english name of the language, as I add
+this in description. I usually take them from iana, but it list for
+example several name for ro :
+romanian, moldavian, moldavan. 
+
+And zh_tw is not in the list either
+( <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry">http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry</A> ).
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+What should be the good one ?
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 19:27 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Second round of ML requests:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a second round of requests for mailing lists the sysadmins will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so kind and create lists for the following languages:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i18n-ro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i18n-it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i18n-zh_tw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i18n-en
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (misc, do I have to send a request to sysadmin list for this or will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you take the request from here?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will take the request, but since adding a ml can be done by any admin
+</I>&gt;<i> ( at least, I hope this is simple enough, even if the only documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> is looking at previous svn commit for the moment, or cut and past from
+</I>&gt;<i> deployment/lists/manifest/init.pp ), I think this should be sent on the
+</I>&gt;<i> ml.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would also prefer to have the english name of the language, as I add
+</I>&gt;<i> this in description. I usually take them from iana, but it list for
+</I>&gt;<i> example several name for ro :
+</I>&gt;<i> romanian, moldavian, moldavan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And zh_tw is not in the list either
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry">http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What should be the good one ?
+</I>
+ro --&gt; romanian
+zh_tw --&gt; Taiwan
+
+Next round goes to this list with language names, sorry for the extra work
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+</I>&gt;<i> Next round goes to this list with language names, sorry for the extra work
+</I>
+Sorry, I meant to the sysadmin list :)
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 15:40 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> ro --&gt; romanian
+</I>&gt;<i> zh_tw --&gt; Taiwan
+</I>
+You mean Taiwanese ? 
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