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<B>Michael Scherer</B>
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<PRE>Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 18:16 +0100, Olivier Blin a écrit :
><i> Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>> writes:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> > If we treat this content like we treat the tarballs, then we could
</I>><i> >> > workaround the problem, no ?
</I>><i> >>
</I>><i> >> How so?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Well, in fact, it depend on what we do not want to include.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > For data ( icones, theme, images ), we can simply put them outside of
</I>><i> > the svn, like we plan to do for tarballs.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The plan is to put tarballs in an additional SVN, right?
</I>><i> We still have to deal with that.
</I>
I tought the plan was to place the tarball outside of a VCS, ie either
download it on demand, or placed in a cache. So we could simply remove
them from the cache when needed.
Now, maybe I misunderstood the new system, so could you explain what it
will be ?
><i> >> > So this would also mean we will import only after having cleaned the
</I>><i> >> > various packages ?
</I>><i> >> >
</I>><i> >> > This mean then that a review must be started ASAP ( in my humble
</I>><i> >> > opinion ).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> [...]
</I>><i>
</I>><i> >> But we should check with the board if we want to go that far.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Sure. But what is exactly the question :) ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Do we filter potentially trademarked/copyrighted content in the src
</I>><i> packages before initial import?
</I>><i> Or do we import the whole Mandriva SVN as is to bootstrap?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> IHMO, we shouldn't take the risk of hosting Mandriva material, even if
</I>><i> this will slow down the process.
</I>
We would not be more at fault than plf.zarb.org or any mirrors on that
regard ( especially mirrors ). And they could hardly say "using our GPL
software is a violation of our trademark" without being inconsistent on
that matter, and they didn't protect their mark .
Hence my request for a specialized lawyer for the non visible cases, and
see what would be considered as a fair use based on existing judgement.
While I agree that we should of course not use the name Mandriva in a
very visible way ( since this is not a method ), having it in the svn
for a non released software is likely less a problem.
For example, based on the only similar case of people who have been
really sued and lost I can think of ( ie mandrake ), there is still case
where Mandrake word is displayed :
- in bugzilla ( older bugs )
- in the website html code ( <meta> )
- in the mail archive, almost everywhere for old archives
( <A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2003-01/">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2003-01/</A> )
- the FAQ I gave previously ( question 10 )
- in the changelog of mandriva-theme-Free-1.4.7-2mdv2010.1
- in the provides and obsoletes of this package
- in the readonly CVS
- in the filename /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_firstime
and it would also likely be in svn if svn existed at that time, and
would not have been crashed. ( since it is in CVS )
[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at sisay</A> ~] $ urpmf -i mandrake 2>&1 | wc -l
1652
They have likely contacted a lawyer ( at least, I hope so, even if we
cannot be sure ), and based on that decided that this were fair use of
the trademark ( at least, the lawyer of the opposite party did ).
Or maybe they are just careless or too busy, given the problem in
FAQ :/
--
Michael Scherer
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