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<H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl</H1>
<B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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<I>Thu Feb 7 14:40:04 CET 2013</I>
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<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 07/02/13 13:35 did gyre and gimble:
><i> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>><i> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit :
</I>>>>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>>><i> [...]
</I>>>>>><i> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media
</I>>>>>><i> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with
</I>>>>>><i> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when
</I>>>>>><i> upgrading (AIUI).
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for
</I>>>>><i> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this.
</I>>>><i> Indeed.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to
</I>>>><i> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual
</I>>>><i> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the
</I>>>><i> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively
</I>>><i> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via
</I>>><i> systemd itself.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called
</I>>><i> "system-logger" or something more generic.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's
</I>>><i> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in
</I>>><i> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a
</I>><i> traditional syslog
</I>
<A HREF="https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82">https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82</A> ;)
But yes, that's a valid argument.
Is anyone against the name "system-logger"? If so I'll update things
accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome.
Col
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