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Thus the old packages should be removed when +</I>>>>>><i> upgrading (AIUI). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for +</I>>>>><i> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this. +</I>>>><i> Indeed. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to +</I>>>><i> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual +</I>>>><i> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the +</I>>>><i> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively +</I>>><i> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via +</I>>><i> systemd itself. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called +</I>>><i> "system-logger" or something more generic. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's +</I>>><i> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in +</I>>><i> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a +</I>><i> traditional syslog +</I> +<A HREF="https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82">https://github.com/fail2ban/fail2ban/pull/82</A> ;) + +But yes, that's a valid argument. + +Is anyone against the name "system-logger"? If so I'll update things +accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome. + +Col + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="022589.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="022592.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#22591">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#22591">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#22591">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#22591">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |