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<I>Mon Sep 24 21:29:48 CEST 2012</I>
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<PRE>Op maandag 24 september 2012 13:33:49 schreef Thomas Backlund:
><i> zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
</I>><i> > Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
</I>><i> >> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
</I>><i> >> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
</I>><i> >> and so on...
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
</I>><i> > number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
</I>><i> > decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
</I>><i> > keep the same numbers of medias.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I meant it only as a response to the:
</I>><i> "it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
</I>><i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users."
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
</I>><i> > Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
</I>><i> > - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
</I>><i> > boot.iso media.
</I>><i> > - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
</I>><i> > shops).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
</I>><i> Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
</I>><i> do get slower to boot...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
</I>><i> > install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
</I>><i> > of QA people!
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
</I>><i> we do need to reduce the media sets...
</I>><i> which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
</I>><i> - 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD ("works everywhere")
</I>><i> - 1 i586 KDE english liveCD ("works everywhere")
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
</I>><i> - 1 i586 KDE all-lang liveDVD
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
</I>><i> - 1 x86_64 KDE all-lang liveDVD
</I>><i>
</I>><i> That would bring the live* media down from 16 -> 6
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> And as data point...
</I>><i> With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
</I>><i> arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
</I>><i> questions:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Then we get the complaints:
</I>><i> - "why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME"?
</I>><i> - "why should I need to download GNOME stuff when I want KDE"?
</I>><i> - "why ..."
</I>
how about adding 32bit/64bit to one liveDVD, bringing total livemedia to 4 ?
><i> and the technical side:
</I>><i> - stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
</I>><i> also giving more problem for little if any gain....
</I>><i> - every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
</I>><i> - it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
</I>><i> - ...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Thomas
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