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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Jack1 package missing</H1>
<B>Jehan Pagès</B>
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<I>Mon Nov 5 03:23:04 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>Hi,
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>> wrote:
><i> Jehan Pagès a écrit :
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> Hi,
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier
</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A> <mailto:philippedidier@**laposte.net<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>>>>
</I>>><i> wrote:
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Jehan Pagès a écrit :
</I>>><i> > Hi,
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet
</I>>><i> Jack2 is
</I>>><i> > simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not
</I>>><i> a
</I>>><i> > newer version (as the official website also states clearly:
</I>>><i> > <A HREF="http://trac.jackaudio.org/**wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2<http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2">http://trac.jackaudio.org/**wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2<http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</A>>).
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and
</I>>><i> people
</I>>><i> > on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2
</I>>><i> (both
</I>>><i> > Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I
</I>>><i> compiled
</I>>><i> > Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > But then I have questions:
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named
</I>>><i> "jackit"
</I>>><i> > and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a
</I>>><i> shorter
</I>>><i> > name for "Jack Audio Connection Kit", but should we really change
</I>>><i> > package names this way?
</I>>><i> > It is not that long). The official alternative
</I>>><i> > name of Jack2 is "jackdmp" (see README here:
</I>>><i> > <A HREF="https://github.com/jackaudio/**jack2<https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2">https://github.com/jackaudio/**jack2<https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2</A>>). I saw nowhere else this
</I>>><i> "jackit"
</I>>><i> > naming.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack
</I>>><i> package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio
</I>>><i> Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still
</I>>><i> provided in Mageia...
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other
</I>>><i> name...
</I>>><i> so jackit !!!
</I>>><i> There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or
</I>>><i> 2004 year.
</I>>><i> Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only
</I>>><i> distributions calling JACK package "jackit" ....
</I>>><i> > So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and
</I>>><i> would like
</I>>><i> > to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.
</I>>><i> > Maybe simply "jack1" and "jack2"? Or "jack" and "jackdmp"?
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?
</I>>><i> > The existing "jackit" spec provides a "jackit-devel" and a
</I>>><i> "libjack-devel".
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit
</I>>><i> for the
</I>>><i> > same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from),
</I>>><i> also
</I>>><i> > libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a
</I>>><i> library
</I>>><i> > (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > I propose simply "jack" as virtual package name.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > How does this sound?
</I>>><i> > Thanks.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > Jehan
</I>>><i> Not simple because of this context ...
</I>>><i> If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing
</I>>><i> jack
</I>>><i> from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring
</I>>><i> jackit
</I>>><i> now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK
</I>>><i> .
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation is clear
</I>>><i> enough ...
</I>>><i> A key to understand what I wrote :
</I>>><i> "jack" is the name of a package (whatever its content is)
</I>>><i> "jackit" is the name of a package
</I>>><i> "JACK" is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the
</I>>><i> software you are talking about
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Ok I understood the deal.
</I>>><i> I would personally prefer even a longer package name like
</I>>><i> jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.
</I>>><i> Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is
</I>>><i> not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package
</I>>><i> then? And can I say that this new package "Provides: jackit" so that it
</I>>><i> works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?
</I>>><i> Thanks.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Jehan
</I>>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> why not give jack1 the name :
</I>><i> "jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1"
</I>><i> and modify the description to include :
</I>><i> "This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection Kit
</I>><i> protocol (JACK). It is under active development concurrently with jackit
</I>><i> (JACK2)"
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>I'll do this like this, then, and propose a SPEC to my mentor, maybe today.
It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to indicate
><i> that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.
</I>><i> And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>I guess the maintainer of this package will have to do this. I'll search
for his email.
Thanks all.
Jehan
><i> We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Just some suggestions ...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> André
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