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<H1>[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3</H1>
<B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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<I>Tue May 29 20:30:20 CEST 2012</I>
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<PRE>On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Pascal Terjan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
><i> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:30 PM, D.Morgan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dmorganec at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jani Välimaa <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jani.valimaa at gmail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>>>><i> On 29.05.2012 18:54, Colin Guthrie wrote:
</I>>>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and Jani Välimaa at 29/05/12 16:13 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>>>><i> On 29.05.2012 17:38, Sander Lepik wrote:
</I>>>>>>><i> 29.05.2012 17:14, wally kirjutas:
</I>>>>>>>><i> Name        : task-obsolete                Relocations: (not relocatable)
</I>>>>>>>><i> Version     : 3                                 Vendor: Mageia.Org
</I>>>>>>>><i> Release     : 1.mga3                        Build Date: Tue May 29
</I>>>>>>>><i> 15:59:18 2012
</I>>>>>>>><i> [...]
</I>>>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>>>><i> wally <wally> 3-1.mga3:
</I>>>>>>>><i> + Revision: 249259
</I>>>>>>>><i> - obsolete old libxfce4menu pkgs
</I>>>>>>><i> Hmm, since when do we obsolete libs like this?
</I>>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i>
</I>>>>>><i> Since task-obsolete was introduced. It's a way to get rid of old,
</I>>>>>><i> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to
</I>>>>>><i> /packages/obsolete/).
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do
</I>>>>><i> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old
</I>>>>><i> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion).
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer
</I>>>>><i> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against
</I>>>>><i> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and
</I>>>>><i> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the
</I>>>>><i> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed
</I>>>>><i> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using
</I>>>>><i> task-obsoletes seems wise.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I guess we need another way to drop pkgs easily from our mirrors then.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no
</I>>>>><i> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or
</I>>>>><i> urpmq --not-available.
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to
</I>>>>><i> correct me!
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> My primary motives was to drop pkgs from our repos, but in this case
</I>>>><i> there's no need to have libxfce4menu installed in any system as it was
</I>>>><i> abandoned upstream over 1.5 years ago and there's no pkgs needing it in
</I>>>><i> our repos (mga1, mga2 or mga3).
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Can't say anything about other cases, though.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> packages are automatically removed from the repo ( or by pterjan i
</I>>><i> don't recall ) so no need and we never obsolete libs.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> They are supposed to be automatically removed after a few weeks but it
</I>><i> does not seem to work, so I still do it manually (and that allows
</I>><i> catching problems like forgotten obsoletes in some cases).
</I>><i> What should really be done is to send an email at upload time when
</I>><i> some subpackages remain from the old src.rpm and then we can remove
</I>><i> them automatically one or two weeks later. Ideally we would also
</I>><i> notify maintainers of packages requiring the old lib at the same time.
</I>
BTW, by hand = using the following script (runs against core/release
by default, do not run with only one arch in -m else src.rpm
generating packages only fot the other arch will be removed) + running
genhdlist2 in the right place with the correct parameters if you don't
expect an upload in that media very soon (and rsync in that case)
I should probably add the script to svn and add an option for genhdlist + rsync
[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">schedbot at valstar</A> ~]$ ~pterjan/cleaner.rb -s
/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/nonfree/release -m
/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release,/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm
The 12 listed packages will be moved from
/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release to
/var/lib/schedbot/old/.
Are you sure [Yn]?
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm
The 9 listed packages will be moved from
/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release to
/var/lib/schedbot/old/.
Are you sure [Yn]?
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