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It's a way to get rid of old, +</I>>>>>><i> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to +</I>>>>>><i> /packages/obsolete/). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do +</I>>>>><i> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old +</I>>>>><i> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer +</I>>>>><i> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against +</I>>>>><i> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and +</I>>>>><i> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the +</I>>>>><i> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed +</I>>>>><i> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using +</I>>>>><i> task-obsoletes seems wise. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I guess we need another way to drop pkgs easily from our mirrors then. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no +</I>>>>><i> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or +</I>>>>><i> urpmq --not-available. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to +</I>>>>><i> correct me! +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> My primary motives was to drop pkgs from our repos, but in this case +</I>>>><i> there's no need to have libxfce4menu installed in any system as it was +</I>>>><i> abandoned upstream over 1.5 years ago and there's no pkgs needing it in +</I>>>><i> our repos (mga1, mga2 or mga3). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Can't say anything about other cases, though. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> packages are automatically removed from the repo ( or by pterjan i +</I>>><i> don't recall ) so no need and we never obsolete libs. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> They are supposed to be automatically removed after a few weeks but it +</I>><i> does not seem to work, so I still do it manually (and that allows +</I>><i> catching problems like forgotten obsoletes in some cases). +</I>><i> What should really be done is to send an email at upload time when +</I>><i> some subpackages remain from the old src.rpm and then we can remove +</I>><i> them automatically one or two weeks later. Ideally we would also +</I>><i> notify maintainers of packages requiring the old lib at the same time. +</I> +BTW, by hand = using the following script (runs against core/release +by default, do not run with only one arch in -m else src.rpm +generating packages only fot the other arch will be removed) + running +genhdlist2 in the right place with the correct parameters if you don't +expect an upload in that media very soon (and rsync in that case) + +I should probably add the script to svn and add an option for genhdlist + rsync + +[<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">schedbot at valstar</A> ~]$ ~pterjan/cleaner.rb -s +/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/nonfree/release -m +/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release,/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.i586.rpm +The 12 listed packages will be moved from +/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/i586/media/nonfree/release to +/var/lib/schedbot/old/. +Are you sure [Yn]? +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +broadcom-wl-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-5.100.82.112-27.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-server-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-netbook-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.nonfree.x86_64.rpm +The 9 listed packages will be moved from +/distrib/bootstrap/distrib/cauldron/x86_64/media/nonfree/release to +/var/lib/schedbot/old/. +Are you sure [Yn]? +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015940.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015938.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15942">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15942">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15942">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15942">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |