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<H1>[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Fri Mar 23 17:47:01 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>2012/3/23 Thierry Vignaud <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>>:
><i> On 23 March 2012 17:00, Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">alien at rmail.be</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> thanks for the explanations, i really appreciate this, it seems logical,
</I>>><i> somehow, except maybe what i'm coming back to:
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</I>>><i> mageia-gfxboot-theme is pulled by installer? how does that work?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> is this really required? or is this something that's somehow done in the
</I>>><i> graphic installer?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> i mean, i didn't select graphic grub, i chose text-grub specifically. and
</I>>><i> somehow during the choosePackages step, the mageia-gfxboot-theme is
</I>>><i> automatically selected...
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> this is the packages that's adding via extra dep and suggests, most of the
</I>>><i> stuff...
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> where can i find the code that is responsible for this, so i can try and fix it?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> we preselect it here so that it got installed early:
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/any.pm?revision=3532&view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/any.pm?revision=3532&view=markup</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> because else it'll be automatically pulled later, adding a one package (or more)
</I>><i> wait later:
</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm?revision=3581&view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/bootloader.pm?revision=3581&view=markup</A>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> just look mageia-gfxboot-theme
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Of course, that's OK for 99% of our users but for those manually
</I>><i> selecting text lilo.
</I>><i> That's a trade off: enforcing waiting for packages installation after all
</I>><i> the other package installation so that a couple users can not have
</I>><i> the bootsplash installed and select lilo or having a couple users
</I>><i> unhappy
</I>><i> BWe could not preselect
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> about firewall, perhaps it's possible to just include iptables, but set policy
</I>>><i> on DROP incoming? shorewall seems a bit over the top...
</I>><i>
</I>><i> we configure shorewall, not iptables.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> but, if summary isn't completed, you can't boot into it, wrt bootloader? so
</I>>><i> firewall seems useless for that...? what is the rationale behind this?
</I>><i>
</I>><i> In the old days we let poeple choose the security level early then we
</I>><i> automatically install & set  up the firewall accordingly.
</I>><i> Later the security choice was moved to the summary and security level
</I>><i> number was reduced from to 3 (see msec or security::level)
</I>><i> But since the default security level is 1 ("standard"), we automatically
</I>><i> install the firewall anyway.
</I>><i> For years.
</I>
Yes and it has bothered me for years.
Why not wait for the summary and install the firewall after the
summary? Is there a security level without firewall? Name it "0" and
add "This is not recommended for a standard installation."
Same with glx-boot and plymouth, etc. Users will get used pretty fast
to a new installation procedure where more packages are installed
after the summary - last time I read this sentence "users will get
used to it" when the move of X to tty1 was discussed - then this
"having to get used to" was no problem. Why should it be one here?
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wobo
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