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   <H1>[Mageia-dev] Security updates - Help needed (also forgot	avidemux and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg)</H1>
    <B>AL13N</B> 
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    <I>Fri Jul  6 08:09:04 CEST 2012</I>
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<PRE>Op donderdag 5 juli 2012 20:34:08 schreef David Walser:
&gt;<i> AL13N wrote:
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this is a good point: &quot;BTW, a missing dependency should not be
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; considered a blocking issue as it can be easily fixed by the end user.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Especially for a security update, as he probably already done it.&quot;
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also, not sure, but it seems the tester was unawere of perl-CGI-Fast being
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not really required (i think).
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, IRC meeting yesterday seemed to conclude that security or major bug
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updates cannot be majorly delayed by bugs, it is however ok, to ask
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager to do a quick fix for something at the same time.
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still, for this issue, it seems also that there was a month delay due to
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not setting assigned back. or even setting NEEDINFO.
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Incorrect.  There was a month delay because the packager who first submitted
</I>&gt;<i> it to QA failed to provide an update for Mageia 2.  That person also failed
</I>&gt;<i> to make any comment whatsoever, while being aware that questions had been
</I>&gt;<i> raised.
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Let me be clear, I know we're all busy, and I don't expect things to be
</I>&gt;<i> fixed right away all the time.  However, we need to communicate.  Even if
</I>&gt;<i> you don't have time to fix something, if you know there are issues, and you
</I>&gt;<i> have some input to give on it, give it.  I really don't appreciate being
</I>&gt;<i> ignored for a month, and then when someone else tries to help, all of
</I>&gt;<i> sudden you (not you Maarten) finally speak up and complain about what has
</I>&gt;<i> been done.
</I>
i do understand, however, as i said, even though QA might be ignored, i think 
QA still would have to validate it, when QA reads this and sees no response, 
imho :-( .

&gt;<i> &gt; also, i notice that noone seemed to have pointed out the tester that in
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fact that dependency isn't required.
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> But it is used by the default configuration, so a suggests is appropriate. 
</I>&gt;<i> Our packages should be functional out of the box.
</I>
iiuc, the qa team member says it's required, and not suggested, and noone from 
packaging team thought about mentioning that it should be a suggests. (of 
course, i didn't know this, but suspected it)

&gt;<i> &gt; i also see that some sentences look harsh to one of both sides here. (or
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at
</I>&gt;<i> &gt; least to me).
</I>&gt;<i> 
</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that is true.  Both sides could tone it down, and it is really not
</I>&gt;<i> appropriate to have that kind of argument in public on Bugzilla (IMO).
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