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<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<PRE>2012/1/7 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andre999mga at laposte.net</A>>:
><i> Sander Lepik a écrit :
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> 07.01.2012 01:09, Johnny A. Solbu kirjutas:
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote:
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from your
</I>>>>><i> system
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)=
</I>>>><i> The packages in my example where all console program, that I installed
</I>>>><i> and removed using urpm[ie]. So I explicitly removed only the one program I
</I>>>><i> just installed. And it did not install any other packages, as a result of
</I>>>><i> dependencies.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> And this is my point. We uninstall a specific program, not a meta/task
</I>>>><i> package, which result in some packages beeing marked as orphaned, when they
</I>>>><i> are infact Not orphaned.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Give us command line example. Install something and remove it and then
</I>>><i> show me what got orphaned if it wasn't orphan before. What you claim here
</I>>><i> doesn't sound right as i haven't seen it myself.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> --
</I>>><i> Sander
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It is not exactly the same thing, but in more than one occasion when I
</I>><i> installed packages with similar functions at the same time, to compare them,
</I>><i> say A, B, and C, and later uninstalled B and C, I have found A to be
</I>><i> declared an orphan.  Only to find that it had been required by one of the
</I>><i> others.
</I>><i> (I often prefer command-line packages.  It is simple to add them to the menu
</I>><i> if I want.  And I have often enough made such comparisons.  To be fair, I
</I>><i> haven't done much of that since installing Mageia, when it first became
</I>><i> available.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Really though, we should consider how people work with installing software.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The auto-orphans option and how it currently works is based on the
</I>><i> assumption that if package A is installed as a requirement of package B,
</I>><i> that on uninstalling B, one will want to uninstall A.  That to me is a false
</I>><i> premise.
</I>><i> It is likely to be the case, but not necessarily.
</I>><i> Generally users will use the graphic installer (rpmdrake), as it is more
</I>><i> convenient.  When the question of orphans is presented, if it is presented,
</I>><i> one should be presented with the same options that are presented on
</I>><i> installation with required packages.  That is, to be able to query the
</I>><i> description ("more info") of the associated packages, and thus readily make
</I>><i> an informed decision of what to remove.
</I>
This is ok if you have 2 or 3 orphans. But it is unpractical if more
packages are declared as orphans. As I wrote earlier, when he is
presented with a list of 20 or even 100 "orphans" the user will
definitely not sit down and check each package for "more info".
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wobo
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