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Solbu kirjutas: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from your +</I>>>>><i> system +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)= +</I>>>><i> The packages in my example where all console program, that I installed +</I>>>><i> and removed using urpm[ie]. So I explicitly removed only the one program I +</I>>>><i> just installed. And it did not install any other packages, as a result of +</I>>>><i> dependencies. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> And this is my point. We uninstall a specific program, not a meta/task +</I>>>><i> package, which result in some packages beeing marked as orphaned, when they +</I>>>><i> are infact Not orphaned. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Give us command line example. Install something and remove it and then +</I>>><i> show me what got orphaned if it wasn't orphan before. What you claim here +</I>>><i> doesn't sound right as i haven't seen it myself. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Sander +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is not exactly the same thing, but in more than one occasion when I +</I>><i> installed packages with similar functions at the same time, to compare them, +</I>><i> say A, B, and C, and later uninstalled B and C, I have found A to be +</I>><i> declared an orphan.  Only to find that it had been required by one of the +</I>><i> others. +</I>><i> (I often prefer command-line packages.  It is simple to add them to the menu +</I>><i> if I want.  And I have often enough made such comparisons.  To be fair, I +</I>><i> haven't done much of that since installing Mageia, when it first became +</I>><i> available.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Really though, we should consider how people work with installing software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The auto-orphans option and how it currently works is based on the +</I>><i> assumption that if package A is installed as a requirement of package B, +</I>><i> that on uninstalling B, one will want to uninstall A.  That to me is a false +</I>><i> premise. +</I>><i> It is likely to be the case, but not necessarily. +</I>><i> Generally users will use the graphic installer (rpmdrake), as it is more +</I>><i> convenient.  When the question of orphans is presented, if it is presented, +</I>><i> one should be presented with the same options that are presented on +</I>><i> installation with required packages.  That is, to be able to query the +</I>><i> description ("more info") of the associated packages, and thus readily make +</I>><i> an informed decision of what to remove. +</I> +This is ok if you have 2 or 3 orphans. But it is unpractical if more +packages are declared as orphans. As I wrote earlier, when he is +presented with a list of 20 or even 100 "orphans" the user will +definitely not sit down and check each package for "more info". + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011077.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011076.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11071">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11071">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11071">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11071">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |